Drake will never be greater than MJ regardless of sales or hits. MJ put effort in every performance, look, and album since he was 5 years old right until his death. He dedicated his life to performance and the music industry
Yall also forget he was mentally and physically abused to get MJ to be that way. He knew NOTHING else because his dad was a dictator that wanted his kids to make him rich. Let's not forget that.
Hold up so y’all guys talk down on the guy for the past 7 years, always talking personal shots at him especially Joe budden and when he reacts back, he’s sensitive and crazy? Lol comedy.
Y’all who grew up with him are responsible for him. You allowed him to steal and jack entire sounds, styles and waves. You made every excuse for him. Now you’re stuck with him. Your generation created this monster and he’s destroyed the entire game. Congratulations. 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
@@bamm86drake just set up the timing for the next rapper to take over. We just need a real rapper to take the throne at this point. Cause drake is out for at least a year he's not dropping music he said on a post he's taking a break from music. Drake is taking a break and finished breaking the rap game. Literally all we need is the next guy to take the throne cause the kings chair is empty
@@kid.A_ rich flex/on bs, Bahamas promises/tried our best & n2deep/fair trade all sound alike, I understand it’s cool to hate him but we ain’t gotta lie and say all his shit sounds alike, just say you don’t like the music
@@mrfalls3003exactly bro. If you don’t like drake, maybe you just not listening or you just can’t relate to it. He makes music and stays relevant because you notice how everyone talks about him.
@@ProdbyFridge because his name is too strong. He's releasing stuff off of name value, not the actual artistic talent he once showed during his Take Care and NWTS days. He could put out a blank CD and still sell like crazy because of his name
@@ProdbyFridgehe did but didnt because since he aint dropping as good of music like he used to hes still charting consistently… ifs weird but thats js goat status
I feel like, while the artists can be held accountable for the decline of mainstream hiphop (after all, Drake is the biggest artist in hiphop right now regarding numbers) by putting out lackluster projects and generic songs, the industry itself has to be held accountable as well. They are the marketing machine after all, and they are completely missing the mark. When you reduce the concept of listeners/consumers to shit like streaming numbers, that commercial dehumanization results in marketing fuckups. I feel like that plays a huge role in for instance, Lil Baby canceling his tour, because he fails to generate enough income from his supposed fans. That you like to bump his albums as background music in the whip or while you're chilling at home, doesn't mean you're willing to pay damn near a hundred dollars for his concerts. Their music or their live performance (or both) just isn't special ir engaging enough for the majority to go out their way and attend that shit. But by simply translating streaming success to the price of their ticket, you fail to take these factors into account. Mainstream hiphop has been commodified like never before, in a time of such inflation, those two don't mix too well.
I don't blame the fans I blame not just the bigger artist but the littler ones that are getting gained by the industry not even trying to be unique and trying to emulate a sound while not realizing everyone else is also doing the same
@@davidwilliams5854 "the fans" go away boomer. people are allowed to enjoy whatever they want. and in all honesty, his fans have been overwhelmingly dissapointed with him. his music is more solid than most artists and rappers.
@@RNB_lovr Not a boomer. You’re absolutely right people can enjoy his or any other artists music. The topic at hand however is about the decline in Drake’s music as well as hip hop as a whole. Again if you like it more power to you, what we are discussing is that we think Drake’s current music lacks a level of quality and have deduced that the reason for that lack of quality to be that his fans still buy it stream it or what have you. If you think his current music is dope awesome keep listening to it. I’m certainly not trying to change your mind or make you change your listening habits. Cheers
It sucks Drake fell off like this. She went from dropping Classics like take care, thank me later, and IYRTITL to trash like CLB and honestly nevermind. Hopefully with him taking a break hip-hop will recover properly
Drake music didn’t mature we did. He was carried on a lot of his features pairing with who’s hot. Wayne, Nicki, future, Mekonnen, dancehall, England, Spanish etc.
He was never carried, and was the one who did the carrying. You nor this creator weren't old enough when drake was running the game bar none. I can tell
When this video mentions Drake concerning himself only with streaming numbers, the video footage of him tells an interesting story. All of the video clips in that moment are of Drake imitating Michael Jackson, the “Tootsie Slide” video “Walk It like I talk it” video and “2 Sexy” video. It made me realize that at some point, Drake stopped trying to be considered the greatest rapper of all time and instead is competing for being the biggest selling artist of all time. He wants to be as big as Michael Jackson! Remember on the Meek Mill song “Going Bad” he says he “got more slaps than the Beatles”. Drake wants to sell records and break records and he’s using the accessibility of streaming to do that. That’s why his albums after 2016 have been so bloated. He knows the more songs on the album the more songs he can get to chart on Billboard after the album gets streamed. He recently bragged on “First Person Shooter” that he’s “one away from Michael” referring to the fact that he had just received his 12th number one hit and then ironically that song gave him his 13th number one hit and now he’s tied with Michael Jackson as the male solo artist with the most number one singles. Drake wants pop music dominance.
Drake is basically like MARVEL, it’s a brand that u think can’t fail, but it low-key is.. and the fans are feeling the content is becoming uninspired as they’re just regurgitating a tired formula
The real problem r the labels...all they want is someone who they can pimp out to make their bag...drake is one of many of these 'rappers' who don't rep or tell the story of life experience but just spit commercial rubbish designed to make $$$ not enlighten the audience
He already solidified himself years ago and cemented his status so he's just been completing side missions running the numbers up with quantity and sprinkles of quality here and there to keep us engaged
Yeah I don’t even know for sure he writes his music. Drake a plant fr fr. Somebody from ovo helping him write or they just flat out writing his music. Meek spoke on it years ago and got clowned for calling it out. Meek is a writer and he actually put in the work to get in the game. Drake was already tapped in the entertainment industry so he was more of a growth project to the label that they invested in.
After hearing drake regurgitated his slumdog millionaire bollywood flow lyrics and their very similar variations on like 5 different songs. I am 100% convinced those are the only lyrics he ever wrote himself and just can't come up with anything else without help.
Drake doesn’t dictate where hip hop goes or how popular it could be. If j Cole and Kendrick and other artists in their lanes dropped music more often the balance would be felt more. But if great music with longevity takes time to make let them take it
No we not, cause despite Drake's quality taking dip, these new mainstream acts aren't it and they not selling. Nowadays ALL mainstream rappers who drop a album only mess with a few songs and then move on the process repeats. New rappers don't seem to be up to par with older artist and they lack longevity. XXL is proof of this, they keep promoting niche rappers and an image and then the cycle repeats every year. Come and go. It's almost like a drug, looking for the next big high and then boom, gone
@@midnighteye2737 Facts, Drake far from the problem, and at least his music solid and has proven himself in the game, he solidified. I blame the record labels, the radios, and Tic Tok nowadays and the casual music listener who doesn't truly know what's out there
I can't wait for the era of Drake where he accepts he's getting old and raps about settling down and focusing on what matters in life. I think this new era will be a result of the hiatus he's taking from music right now.
Weeknd is featured on 3 songs but he wrote a total of 5 for Take Care. He practically gave Drake all the songs so he could get a head. I saw an interview where he said he regretted giving up so much of his work. This is why he never signed to OVO. Like all of OVO’s artists, they never pop off, they get stuck in the sweat shop writing for Drake!
@@Mongrel.mob.internetchapterThe Weeknd’s song The Zone was featured on a mixtape called Drake Griffin which was eventually turned into Take Care. Honestly if it wasn’t for Drake I wouldn’t have known of The Weeknd or even become a fan of his music. Yea I would’ve been upset about letting go5 of my songs to Drake but the recognition was impactful to his career, both of their careers IMO!
I really don't think drake is the reason why people say hiphop is dying. I mean look at the BET awards if we can even put sexy red in the competition and talk about "culture" we're doomed and its not drake's fault
@@murk4552 ain’t no way bro sexy redd was already a thing before drake and her linked. The whole industry and the world is to blame for that cause why we listening to ts. Bet made a whole post talking bout the culture she ain’t the culture that’s booty butt cheeks. I personally don’t listen to her tho yall stay safe 🙏🏾
I don't necessarily think Drake is a problem as such, he has just stopped putting any effort into his albums for the past 6 or 7 years. When he first came out I actually liked him, his wordplay and storytelling and being emotionally vulnerable was actually a really cool thing in hip hop as people who aren't from a ghetto gangsta background finally had people we could identify with as well (no offence to the hip hop heads, but I have far more in common with guys like Drake, J Cole and Mac Miller than I ever did with Biggie, Game or 50 Cent, sure, they are great artists no doubt, but I am a goofy white rapper from the suburbs so naturally their music is not as relatable to me as the former). I think the issue is more that he sticks to a safe formula on every album and shows no real growth as an artist, and while he is the king of hip hop in terms of sales it lead to other artists not putting in as much effort either.
Bro Drake truly showcased growth in his music earlier with Honestly, Nevermind (my top 3).. & you guys didn't understand so of cause he'll give y'all what you want & you still complain
@@Prodigal450 yeah Drake has nothing on the 90s lyrical rappers in terms of quality. And nothing on Ab-Soul, J Cole, Jay Rock or any of them guys either..
I mean this is what y’all’s generation deserves. There’s a reason why older gens never allowed our artists to copy flows and get away with subpar bars or not being able to truly freestyle. If we allowed that, we would have had to endure the very same bs hip-hop is in today. Y’all condoned Drake monopolizing rap by buying out other artists and straight up jacking entire styles and sounds instead of making him have to truly compete. This is on the fans. Y’all created a monster and now you’re stuck with him.
Man y’all put up with all of the other debauchery. Too short spits the nastiest bullcrap. Ice cube was talking about no Vaseline. Snoop is brain dead. For every legit lyricist that came out y’all have always embraced morally bankrupt bullcrap too.
Oh pls if y’all old niggas were THAT anti-biting or wave riding y’all wouldn’t have let Jay z get a pass for city is mine and using big’s bars for years in addition to wave riding exactly like Kanye Wayne and Drake did. And hov became bigger than everybody
That's more or less on the industry and his contemporaries who support him. The fans couldn't do jack shit about it if they wanted to. Plus, a lot of rappers can't freestyle. Hell, Cube wrote lines for the rest of NWA. Will Smith had ghostwriters. Multiple rappers, including Eminem, have admitted to biting Nas. There has always been rappers in the industry who jack styles, can't freestyle and are essentially mouthpieces.
you're honestly so true. Drake in the modern era has been nothing more than a brand. his last great project was IYRTITL. Her Loss was pretty good but mainly because 21 brought out the best in Drake.
Views More Life and dark lane demo tapes were solid too esp the latter 2, more life is one of his better works to me. And while 21 helped he def didn’t carry Drake we got middle of the Ocean which his his best lyricism since the more life era
This is a cannon opinion that is less opinion and more objectively fact. If your reading this its too late was the last GREAT Drake project. And he didnt even write it all on his own...
Just like in the early 2000s, when mainstream hip hop seems to stagnate, the underground tends to flourish. People like Boldy James, Earl Sweatshirt, Redveil, Griselda hold it down to inject new energy. Not good, not bad. Just how it tends to work.
@@romaretaylor9953 they don't get criticism because they still put effort into their new albums, donda, mr morale and the off season are still good albums and shit on whatever drake has been releasing lately
@@romaretaylor9953 They don't drop as often, even Kanye, Kanye don't usually drop back to back albums yearly. He's only done it twice in his career and at least Kanye does something different every release
As someone who’s been listening to drake for years and religiously listen to him it’s easy to admit his quality in projects has declined and all he really raps about is his absurdly materialistic lifestyle and the shallow women he deals with. Nothings changed much since 2015
For all the dogs I thought it was a good change not perfect but still better then the previous couple and saying he’s too big to fail is MOT entirely true. When he tried that new sound with Honestly Nevermind that was a huge fail. It was quickly forgotten about, and only one song succeeded and it was barely a success at that
I grew up listening to Drake and although the tonality of his music may sound the same, he has achieved a high level of versatility over the years. From developing different accents to making himself a walking meme, he has shaped pop culture to where majority of the world knows who he is. He’s at a point in his career where he’s putting artists on the map like Yeat, Teezo Touchdown, Jack Harlow, 21 Savage, Lil Baby, and Lil Yachty. You may call his music mediocre but I think he’s contributed A LOT in the industry
I am not worried about the state of Hip Hop. Hip Hop went through the East Coast VS West Coast feud from the late 1980's to the late 1990's and is still standing. Hip Hop dealt with the Pop success of rappers in the very start of the 2000's and is still standing. Hip Hop isn't just rap, but DJing/Turntablism, Breaking/B Boys and B Girls, Graffiti Art, as well as MCing/Rapping. Just as KRS One, the Teacha of Hip Hop, once said: Hip Hop can never Die!
@@APTTMH07Honestly i think rap music isnt always hip hop but hip hop is always rap. Look, rap music is all music that involves rapping so rap music can be an umbrela term for new jack swing, hip hop, some modern RnB songs and some jungle songs
And realist understand that it’s NEVER going to happen!!!!! Drake’s most vulnerable song imo is “fear” if also throw in “successful” and his most vulnerable body of work imo is take care. And look at how long ago they were released. He is not growing as an artist people should just give up on him
@@dominicharris5489 I gave up after views. And people say “oh you just hating” and blah blah blah nah I was there since “room for improvement” I know who he came into the game as. But the more bad lines I heard, the more reference tracks I heard, the more songs I found out he took. Just made me see this dude as an uninspired and shallow fraud. It’s to the point I can’t even look at take care the same because I know all the best songs off that project were originally The Weeknd’s. Don’t even get me on him painting his nails and wrecking berets in his hair. Like I’m good hopefully Kendrick will bounce back because his last album. Even though the material was good the way it was presented was trash imo. But I digress I think it’s just time you start looking toward other artist jid is good, ab soul’s album Herbert was really good, Joey badass last album 2000 was really good as well and oh if you haven’t heard killer mike last album sheeshhhhhh it’s album of the year
@@t-god2439 yeah idk wtf he doing painting his nails and the hairclips shit. i cant take him serious anymore. and yeah i fks with all them artist and those albums. drake just letting me down man. such is life I still gonna fk with the few gems drake still has on these bad albums. still got a few jams on em so Ill make do with those
The bigger conversation is on how drake never was a natural creative, each album you can pin point the direct influence. He came in the game as a backpacker then he became 808 and heartbrake kanye mixed with mixtape wayne. I can keep going with other factors such as his bad album covers or uninspired videos but he's always been inorganic and having that type of artist at the forefront of any art form will always cheapen it overall. [Edited for spelling]
@@fantastichiphop Drake does have talent on his own but it's more technical like how some artists are really good at mimicking others styles but fail to create one that's wholly original to their own.
None of his peers came into the game with their own unique style or sound. Name one ( and no Kendrick didn’t either he did a whole Mixtape in Wayne’s style)
@@romaretaylor9953 we all start with influence example on logic's under pressure he sounded like Kendrick but who would say that about logic now? By good kid mad city Kendrick was his own person etc.
Honestly, I am in the my 30's and I have not seen this side ever mentioned in hip hop media but here is my take. Kendrick's being in the mainstream and gaining that huge following after GKMC to drop TPAB unironically created a butterfly effect in hip hop. The media and critics and the community use that album as the standard for reviewing hip hop albums moving forward. People raised their expectations and wanted every song, album, and mixtape to have some sort of special meaning when this was already in the genre in the underground never in mainstream. Look at all those artists we had before that album. Then look at them slowly fall off because of the criticism and the output from these artists decreased drastically. Kendrick and J Cole's out put was nonexistent did not help, they took way too much time putting out albums and barely did any collaborations or mixtapes. Within that gap this was the time the Gucci gang and all those lean drinking pill poppers started coming out and divided the older people and the young people in genre. Mainstream hip hop artists are supposed to attract new listeners and the youth with simple sounds and easy lyricism for them to explore the genre and discover the real masterminds like MF Doom, Black Thought Talib, Mos, Inspektah. That deep meaning and lyricism can be intimidating to new listeners and to gain the attention of young people. When your in elementary school you read cat in the hat and gradually get to Shakespeare. Now people expect Shakespeare first. Now I know people say "sales" don't matter but substance does. But please look back into the highest selling albums in the 90's & 00's you will see majority of the albums are not underground-esque as the one TBAP was. You also have to look at the big 3 for mainstream from the 2010-present and focus not only on their discography but their platform. How did they utilize their major platforms to show new artists and sounds etc. When you look into this it will shock you, and completely changed my perspective. People hate Drake and always will, and he's not my type of rapper at all but man I was actually amazed on how much he has done with his platform than the latter. Take a look at all of Drake's opening acts for all his tours since the start, interludes that are just solos & new features on high selling albums, and just random collaborations. It his literally 100x more than Kendrick and J Cole and I can't believe no one has ever brought that up. When I saw Kendrick's even in just the past 5-6 years he has only done two features one in 2019 with sir and one recently with Beyonce. His current tour is the highest rap selling tour and his only opening act was Baby Keem. Then when I relistened to MM&TBS again, tracks like Purple Hearts and Mirror made me just realize Kendrick was the problem the whole time. After that album I actually hate TPAB now because he got his accolades, profits and set new standards of the hip hop genre off the struggles of his people. I cannot believe in 2023 I would be saying that Drake out of all people in Main Stream Hip Hop alive and is actually keeping on its limbs. He is always in the spotlight, the memes and the criticisms. No matter he puts out music and makes his numbers. Even Nas one of my goat and the legend of Hip Hop at 50 year old has put out more work than Kendrick and J cole in the last decade combine. But what does the media do? Instead of the hip hop media congratulating Nas and Drake for continue to putting out music when they don't have to, they have nothing to prove and don't even call out the "other two goats" but still say they are the best of hip hop. Discography is not everything, and wont even matter when people stop listening. The final nail in the coffin for the death of hip hop was was when Joe Buddens podcast review Magic 3 they trashed his bars and told him to stop. Imagine telling Nas to put the pen down doing what he loves and inspiring and growing the genre for the Kendricks and J Cole's. Who consider him as his idol but never said anything. No hip hop media or podcast even saw this. Everyone in hip hop media is just here for the impressions and views not for the love of the genre because noone would have let that slide back in the day. Now look at when Drake snapped back at Joe for with his main message being "don't listen to these critics just put out music you can be successful" but everyone just wanted to say why is flexing his money and hes just emotional his album sucks. As someone who didn't like him, that mf just gained my fullest respect for being not being the punching bag for those two guys, but for carrying MAINSTREAM hip hop. Drake needs to leave this genre to stop inflating the actual sales, so people can really start to look at the problem.
@@TheEdwardAlchemist I just tired of seeing the same narrative. People just keep stanning millionare rappers and no one can critique J. Cole and Kendrick? Weren't they part of the big three with Drake? When you try to have this argument people think your hating and trying to debate on whos the goat. Who cares whos the goat out of them what did they do when they reached their major platform. You got to look at who they brought to to the spotlight and man Drake did so much with his platform. These "Kendrick" fans don't even comprehend or understand Kendrick he literally tells you who he is in MM&TBS. These guys just watch other RUclips reviewers and just pass it off ass their opinion. Listen to what he is actually saying. In Purple Hearts he literally says "Two Stepping away from rappers I dont trust their intentions, I am not in the music business, I'm in the human business". In mask off he says "How ya'll let a concious rapper go commercial while only makin' concious albums". Then they wonder why everyone is asking for meaning and substance in mainstream hip hop. Lil wayne literally dropped a mixtape and he got shit on for it, like wtf. We got to the point where we are judging and criticizing Lil Wayne mixtapes and yall are wondering why Hip Hop is in such a bad state? Mixtape Weezy fed the streets and no-one cared about substance, he literally just rapped about weed, woman, being a gangster and we were cool with that, got a few bops and that's all we needed. Rappers can't drop anything fun or just chill anymore without being heavily scrutinized.
I’m glad that you called out the media and critics for how they shit on other rappers and albums by instantly comparing them to Kendrick or TPAB. And to add some interesting trivia, I paid $10 one time to show an old school fun type song I made to a RUclips livestream, and when my song got hated on, this white dork named “mattyballz” was telling me “That’s not lyricism. Dude’s like Kendrick and Black Thought, that’s what lyricism is.” And that pissed me off so fucking bad cuz first off, lyricism doesn’t just come in one or two fucking formulas, ok? There are many great examples of lyricism that even dates all the fucking way back to the 80s. Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, Kool G Rap, all those dudes were flowing with words when Kendrick was just a fucking baby. So just for that, I don’t think Kendrick should be the only artist to study when it comes to lyricism. And second, massively dick riding one specific artist isn’t gonna get more people to agree with you. I personally really like GKMC, but back in ‘21 when I decided to listen to TPAB next, I didn’t even finish the album after hearing Wesley’s Theory. I don’t even remember most of the lyrics to that song. I just was NOT interested. And back then, I didn’t even know why. But now I have a feeling
@@smaaron_j_46 I don't understand how they are so blind to this. They need to look at this at different angles. Discography does not mean everything. Exactly, they don't even know the pioneers, or do any research on anything. They do not understand the importance of sound at all. For them it's all about lyricism and majority of them don't even understand the messaging at all. They just watch their favorite youtuber and just do "yeah its so deep i feel that". Think about RZA, Dj Quik, Dr. Dre, Timba, Kanye, Pharell, Alchemist and their impact of bringing sound. No one can say in terms of IMPACT and INFLUENCE TPAB was more impactful than The Chronic for the culture. Why do people think Trap Muzik became so mainstream in the 2012's and on. Because METROBOOOMIN came with that sound that is why. You just need good lyricism and great sound, that's what MAINSTREAM hip hop is for. To push the genre forward to the masses and keep the culture growing. They don't understand that the underground scene needs mainstream hip hop to stay alive otherwise how are people going to discover it. I found about Talib and Mos Def through Kanye. These guys are so blind they did not even realize Drake album was literally R&B. R&B fell out of mainstream and no one even noticed. Growing up we had Mary J, Usher, Mario, Alicia Keys, Fantasia, Keyshia Cole, CB, Keith Sweat and you know the rest. It use to be called Hip Hop & R&B
@@andyd3758 hell yeah man, that’s what’s up 🔥 vocals and production are much like peanut butter and jelly on a sandwich. One really wouldn’t be the best without the other, and I start to see more of that as some modern day lyricists pick the most mid ass beats to spit over. Cuz in their mind, their lyrics are what their music should be, and I’m sorry, but there’s levels to this shit. You also gotta keep me sonically engaged for me to enjoy your rhymes. Which is one strength that trap artists have over them. DS2 by Future? That album has no skips to me. Great production from Metro Boomin along with Zaytoven, Sonny Digital and a couple others, and Future not only comes with surprisingly solid lyricism, he flows over each track so well and makes every hook a catchy tune.
Perhaps if hip hop and fans alike fully accepted Drake when he was dropping “Take Care” & “Nothing Was The Same” we wouldn’t have the Drake that we have today. Now Drake is in the position to where he can do whatever he wants with it….
@@loyisongwenya818 I'm just saying, they need to make up their minds. When he up, they claim him, when they don't agree with what he puts out he suddenly don't matter to the culture cause he's a pop star! Now he ruining something that they say he ain't apart of?🤨 They need to move the hell on, they TOO concerned & giving this one man all this power! Hip Hop survived Hammer & Vanilla Ice, I'm sure they'll be good after Drake! 🤭
I disagree with the idea that his music has declined over the years but I do appreciate the thought piece. Art is subjective and others are allowed to dislike his work
NO he's just a product it's the business that's killing it Where's BET Rap city and MTV raps music shows at? HOW the hell did Tyler fucking Perry control the black channel.
It's actually very simple to follow drake's career, his first was heavily influenced by the Houston sound the a Houston rapper who drake basically jacked his sound, Take Care was heavily influenced by the weeknd in fact a lot of the songs were originally the weeknd's then they started having issues " nothing was the same" - "kiss land" era they parted ways, " if you're reading this, it's too late" enter Quintinn Miller
🔥 perspective, I told many that his music is low quality high selling like Aquafina and Kendrick and Cole is like the Fiji water of records. Drake might as well call Kendrick out and take a bow
He’s a half black dude who grew up listening to hip hop how is he a culture vulture? Everyone doesn’t have to come from the streets selling crack for studio time to be a good rapper
@@romaretaylor9953 you corny. You can be from the hood and be a vulture it has nothing to do with his race he has no real sound of his own he adapts to what the trend is
We need that east coast 90s rap back. When the verses were longer and every song had 3 hooks, 3 verses and a bridge. The average song today has shorten by like 2 minutes lol. It’s like these new artist will make a catchy hook with one good line out of two verses and it’s a hit and the main problem it that artist don’t rap to be relatable no more they rap to distance their selves from the same ppl that supports their music.
My opinion is this is mixtape material and should be taken lightly. Mainstream public misunderstood album. He hasn't't created a problem in Rap? He created an avenue for worthy artists to shine along with him as critics would say "Following The Trend". I can't stand mfs who downplay any artist music. You can give a concrete opinion on art if you haven't even digested the album
Teens in the mid 2010s killed hip hop. They made people who legit dont give a shit about it famous. And drake jus rode the wave. He doesnt needa put effort he just needa to collab and put sum out cuz we let him
Man that's a crazy title to say about Drake but offcourse people are not happy with the album , I haven't listened to it, let's not get ahead of ourselves he still been this consistent for a decade and still doing numbers. It's like people want him to be the old drake and re do take care , nothing was the same ,or something similar to the older albums don't get me wrong I use to have that mindset of oh I miss the old drake but times have changed he had to adapt to the current generation of people that listen to his music . I'm sure alot of older people tune in too his older albums . Imagine if he would of just keep being the old drake and never switched up the flow people would of said he getting boring then it would considered outdated or .left behind . He doing all this stuff to stay revelant sometimes you can't get mad at the artist , look at the consumers too the fans are ones making certain music hot. He always had to be a trendsetter to create controversy and keep people entertained at the same time . Even with 6ixnine he had to do all of those tactics to get attention from people . People tuned into that heavy lol so those antics worked for him to capitalize off of
I agree, but I think the problem for this album was for the name to be 'for all the dogs' we thought we was getting the 'old drake' but that wasn't the case at all. the name of the album was misleading
Art comes from the Artist and Fans and admirers get whatever the Artist gives them🤷🏾Prince/Michael J never cared what people thought. Drake should do the same. Move on to the next project my Dude👊🏽
Enough with the drake hate… give me one artist that didn’t face a decline in the quality of their music over time ? None , we all either grow out of their music or they themselves are artistically drained
Irony at best! Bro makes music and $$$ but it constantly keeps getting worse. But fk this is what happens when u sell ya soul, don't know when "they'll " take u out. Like his Album he need "More Life"
Drake changed the music game again and everyone is focusing on the negative but if you look closely CLB was a classic, HNVM was a classic for people who listen to house music like me, and Her Loss was for the gangstas, and FATD is for all mixes of people. Drakes reach is crazy 🎉
Drake makes music the way Lil Wayne did. He says everything without saying anything at all and plus they record from a fun perspective not to raise you or give you a old skool feeling. He’s been making the same song like every other artist since 2006, if you listen closely no artist evolves much. Kendrick been rapping bout the same shit since the Kendrick Lamar EP just in different variations & beats. Cole been making the same music since I was a kid. Y’all just hating or gotten older and outgrew Drake. Jay Z sounded the same in 96 all the way until now, you just get tired of seeing & hearing these guys. Same old story. There’s a peak to evolving, y’all want too much. Go listen to rock music & have a coke & a smile & stfu
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He sounded way more mature, introspective and innovative in his 20s compared to now! I thought that was supposed to be the other way around lol
for all the dogs was so bad jus the jcole ghost writen track was good beat good flow
We all thought the same thing
Drake will never be greater than MJ regardless of sales or hits. MJ put effort in every performance, look, and album since he was 5 years old right until his death. He dedicated his life to performance and the music industry
And MJ dominated with PURE SALES
Yall also forget he was mentally and physically abused to get MJ to be that way. He knew NOTHING else because his dad was a dictator that wanted his kids to make him rich. Let's not forget that.
Well duh that's because Michael Jackson was the king of music Drake is a hack that got lucky based on his background.
MJ was the real deal not Drake who just wants to be proved he's all that.
MJ Was like A God to people because he proved that no one was on his level.
I grew up listening to his music, he's one of the reasons I love hip hop. Seeing him change like this hurts me on a personal level
Facts bro I feel like an idiot hyping this album up crazy. And I’m 29 lmfao
Hold up so y’all guys talk down on the guy for the past 7 years, always talking personal shots at him especially Joe budden and when he reacts back, he’s sensitive and crazy? Lol comedy.
Y’all who grew up with him are responsible for him. You allowed him to steal and jack entire sounds, styles and waves. You made every excuse for him. Now you’re stuck with him. Your generation created this monster and he’s destroyed the entire game. Congratulations. 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
change like what????💀💀💀💀💀💀
@@bamm86drake just set up the timing for the next rapper to take over. We just need a real rapper to take the throne at this point. Cause drake is out for at least a year he's not dropping music he said on a post he's taking a break from music. Drake is taking a break and finished breaking the rap game. Literally all we need is the next guy to take the throne cause the kings chair is empty
glad someone is finally talking about this. CLB, Her Loss, and FATD all sound the same to me lol
If you think CLB, Her Loss, & Dogs sound the same idk what to tell you, sounds like his music just isn’t for you
@@mrfalls3003it has the same exact sound
@@kid.A_ rich flex/on bs, Bahamas promises/tried our best & n2deep/fair trade all sound alike, I understand it’s cool to hate him but we ain’t gotta lie and say all his shit sounds alike, just say you don’t like the music
@@mrfalls3003exactly bro. If you don’t like drake, maybe you just not listening or you just can’t relate to it. He makes music and stays relevant because you notice how everyone talks about him.
@@bray6470we dont like drake because weve listened to enough music to know what hes doing is bad
I remember when Drake first dropped Best I Ever Had in 2009 and watched his career path from the beginning to now. And he definitely fell off bad.
The worst part is he didnt fall off, which is why he keeps getting away with releasing this shit and it keeps doing numbers
Same
What hip hop artist has been on top for that long though? That’s a 14 year run
@@ProdbyFridge because his name is too strong. He's releasing stuff off of name value, not the actual artistic talent he once showed during his Take Care and NWTS days. He could put out a blank CD and still sell like crazy because of his name
@@ProdbyFridgehe did but didnt because since he aint dropping as good of music like he used to hes still charting consistently… ifs weird but thats js goat status
I feel like, while the artists can be held accountable for the decline of mainstream hiphop (after all, Drake is the biggest artist in hiphop right now regarding numbers) by putting out lackluster projects and generic songs, the industry itself has to be held accountable as well. They are the marketing machine after all, and they are completely missing the mark. When you reduce the concept of listeners/consumers to shit like streaming numbers, that commercial dehumanization results in marketing fuckups. I feel like that plays a huge role in for instance, Lil Baby canceling his tour, because he fails to generate enough income from his supposed fans. That you like to bump his albums as background music in the whip or while you're chilling at home, doesn't mean you're willing to pay damn near a hundred dollars for his concerts. Their music or their live performance (or both) just isn't special ir engaging enough for the majority to go out their way and attend that shit. But by simply translating streaming success to the price of their ticket, you fail to take these factors into account. Mainstream hiphop has been commodified like never before, in a time of such inflation, those two don't mix too well.
I blame the fans. If his fans had standards he’d do better.
I don't blame the fans I blame not just the bigger artist but the littler ones that are getting gained by the industry not even trying to be unique and trying to emulate a sound while not realizing everyone else is also doing the same
Well said.
@@davidwilliams5854 "the fans" go away boomer. people are allowed to enjoy whatever they want. and in all honesty, his fans have been overwhelmingly dissapointed with him. his music is more solid than most artists and rappers.
@@RNB_lovr Not a boomer. You’re absolutely right people can enjoy his or any other artists music. The topic at hand however is about the decline in Drake’s music as well as hip hop as a whole. Again if you like it more power to you, what we are discussing is that we think Drake’s current music lacks a level of quality and have deduced that the reason for that lack of quality to be that his fans still buy it stream it or what have you. If you think his current music is dope awesome keep listening to it. I’m certainly not trying to change your mind or make you change your listening habits. Cheers
Thank God for Kendrick Lamar
It's fitting because most of the Drake fans I know aren't very genuine individuals 😂
Cuz their drake daddy dictates how they live their life. Shallow, mediocre and cookie cutter
I love how well these videos have aged especially with the kendrick diss
Kendrick came back to revive hip hop and set the standards high again.
drake dropping album is like apple releasing the same phone and people still buying it 😂
But the difference is we all get value from owning an iPhone….not listening to a Drake album 🤭
The 2nd half of drakes career has been Aubrey Graham acting the character of a rapper
🤣🤣🤣 yo that's hilarious
But, he's done that his entire career.
@@Amanda4.0 I was being modest
@@Osei_Bean_8ryant Oh, I see.
I was trying to explain this to a bunch of Drake fans but now I’ll just show them this video.
Ok princess
@@xavierclayton9990 Blud proved his point
Same bro
Shawn cee just made a video calling drake a loser. The hate is getting weird at this point.
dont care he still goated
Drake said on NWTS on Furthest Thing “The lack of effort got me rapping different”
Drake was never Hip Hop and also will never be Hip Hop
Real Hip Hop will not let him steal it from its original roots. Although, he has done a pretty good job at it.
It sucks Drake fell off like this. She went from dropping Classics like take care, thank me later, and IYRTITL to trash like CLB and honestly nevermind. Hopefully with him taking a break hip-hop will recover properly
Honestly nevermind was so bad I know Drake fans that couldn't finish the album.
How is clb trash? Honestly how? It's similiar to take care and own it
Drake music didn’t mature we did. He was carried on a lot of his features pairing with who’s hot. Wayne, Nicki, future, Mekonnen, dancehall, England, Spanish etc.
None of those guys besides Wayne gave him more attention. Makkoken is a one hit wonder and was ass he was never gonna make it
@@romaretaylor9953Nicki isn't a guy, and she did, only cause they were both popping at the exact same time.
Facts
21 Savage 😂
He was never carried, and was the one who did the carrying. You nor this creator weren't old enough when drake was running the game bar none. I can tell
When this video mentions Drake concerning himself only with streaming numbers, the video footage of him tells an interesting story. All of the video clips in that moment are of Drake imitating Michael Jackson, the “Tootsie Slide” video “Walk It like I talk it” video and “2 Sexy” video. It made me realize that at some point, Drake stopped trying to be considered the greatest rapper of all time and instead is competing for being the biggest selling artist of all time. He wants to be as big as Michael Jackson! Remember on the Meek Mill song “Going Bad” he says he “got more slaps than the Beatles”. Drake wants to sell records and break records and he’s using the accessibility of streaming to do that. That’s why his albums after 2016 have been so bloated. He knows the more songs on the album the more songs he can get to chart on Billboard after the album gets streamed. He recently bragged on “First Person Shooter” that he’s “one away from Michael” referring to the fact that he had just received his 12th number one hit and then ironically that song gave him his 13th number one hit and now he’s tied with Michael Jackson as the male solo artist with the most number one singles. Drake wants pop music dominance.
Selling out. In hip-hop, it's called selling out.
Drake is basically like MARVEL, it’s a brand that u think can’t fail, but it low-key is.. and the fans are feeling the content is becoming uninspired as they’re just regurgitating a tired formula
But the brand is losing steam just like MCU has gotten.
Marvel is Garbage. Everything after end game is bullshit
Marvel is failing
@@Demsky83 So is all entertainment business and industry.The World is in trouble indeed.
The real problem r the labels...all they want is someone who they can pimp out to make their bag...drake is one of many of these 'rappers' who don't rep or tell the story of life experience but just spit commercial rubbish designed to make $$$ not enlighten the audience
I miss when he wrote his gun bars through Baka songs, just like how kendrick writes his fun raps through baby keem
He already solidified himself years ago and cemented his status so he's just been completing side missions running the numbers up with quantity and sprinkles of quality here and there to keep us engaged
Sounds like cope to to me
Nas, for example, is solidified as a hip-hop legend but he put out 6 quality albums and they all sound different.
Who is us?? Lmfao I don't listen to Drake
@@Jay-jb2vr 🍪
@@jonathan.legend 🤡 🤡🤡
It all boils down to ye vs drizzy w drizzy being the face of lazy artistry and yeezy being the face of peak artistry
I think we’re disappointed just cuz we know he can rap but just don’t focus on writing anymore
Using co writers for helping with his hooks doesn't mean he can't write
@@fatgumball7599 did you read what I wrote? he can obviously write but doesn't focus on it anymore
@@benjaminnaderi2774well he used ghostwriters and also paid to take others songs to steal their sounds, if not waves. 4Tay is an example.
Yeah I don’t even know for sure he writes his music. Drake a plant fr fr. Somebody from ovo helping him write or they just flat out writing his music. Meek spoke on it years ago and got clowned for calling it out. Meek is a writer and he actually put in the work to get in the game. Drake was already tapped in the entertainment industry so he was more of a growth project to the label that they invested in.
@@beetheking_7drake writes for other artists let alone himself,a simple Google search shows credits
The problem is that you keep saying that Drake is a rapper 🤷🏻♂️
He’s a pop artist for sure lmao
After hearing drake regurgitated his slumdog millionaire bollywood flow lyrics and their very similar variations on like 5 different songs. I am 100% convinced those are the only lyrics he ever wrote himself and just can't come up with anything else without help.
Hip hop is gonna reset because if Drake is gonna take a break and that means it's gonna be good for hip hop
Drake doesn’t dictate where hip hop goes or how popular it could be. If j Cole and Kendrick and other artists in their lanes dropped music more often the balance would be felt more. But if great music with longevity takes time to make let them take it
Yes.
No we not, cause despite Drake's quality taking dip, these new mainstream acts aren't it and they not selling. Nowadays ALL mainstream rappers who drop a album only mess with a few songs and then move on the process repeats. New rappers don't seem to be up to par with older artist and they lack longevity. XXL is proof of this, they keep promoting niche rappers and an image and then the cycle repeats every year. Come and go. It's almost like a drug, looking for the next big high and then boom, gone
If people think Drake is the problem with hip hop then it's already self-explanatory that they aren't actual hip hop enthusiasts.
@@midnighteye2737 Facts, Drake far from the problem, and at least his music solid and has proven himself in the game, he solidified. I blame the record labels, the radios, and Tic Tok nowadays and the casual music listener who doesn't truly know what's out there
I can't wait for the era of Drake where he accepts he's getting old and raps about settling down and focusing on what matters in life. I think this new era will be a result of the hiatus he's taking from music right now.
Scarrryyyyyy hourssss
Isn’t take care a weeknd album?
Really!?
Weeknd is featured on 3 songs but he wrote a total of 5 for Take Care. He practically gave Drake all the songs so he could get a head. I saw an interview where he said he regretted giving up so much of his work. This is why he never signed to OVO.
Like all of OVO’s artists, they never pop off, they get stuck in the sweat shop writing for Drake!
@@Mongrel.mob.internetchapterThe Weeknd’s song The Zone was featured on a mixtape called Drake Griffin which was eventually turned into Take Care. Honestly if it wasn’t for Drake I wouldn’t have known of The Weeknd or even become a fan of his music. Yea I would’ve been upset about letting go5 of my songs to Drake but the recognition was impactful to his career, both of their careers IMO!
@@EzSlime88 bro I can’t hear u when u gaggin on Drake like that
I really don't think drake is the reason why people say hiphop is dying. I mean look at the BET awards if we can even put sexy red in the competition and talk about "culture" we're doomed and its not drake's fault
Drake is why SexyRedd's even exist. His promoted thot behavior his entire career bro.
@@murk4552 ain’t no way bro sexy redd was already a thing before drake and her linked. The whole industry and the world is to blame for that cause why we listening to ts. Bet made a whole post talking bout the culture she ain’t the culture that’s booty butt cheeks. I personally don’t listen to her tho yall stay safe 🙏🏾
Drake co-signed Sexy Red though
I don't necessarily think Drake is a problem as such, he has just stopped putting any effort into his albums for the past 6 or 7 years. When he first came out I actually liked him, his wordplay and storytelling and being emotionally vulnerable was actually a really cool thing in hip hop as people who aren't from a ghetto gangsta background finally had people we could identify with as well (no offence to the hip hop heads, but I have far more in common with guys like Drake, J Cole and Mac Miller than I ever did with Biggie, Game or 50 Cent, sure, they are great artists no doubt, but I am a goofy white rapper from the suburbs so naturally their music is not as relatable to me as the former). I think the issue is more that he sticks to a safe formula on every album and shows no real growth as an artist, and while he is the king of hip hop in terms of sales it lead to other artists not putting in as much effort either.
U done? 😂
Bro Drake truly showcased growth in his music earlier with Honestly, Nevermind (my top 3).. & you guys didn't understand so of cause he'll give y'all what you want & you still complain
No what had happened was you heard better quality music and realized drake was always trash compared to other artists
@@Prodigal450 yeah Drake has nothing on the 90s lyrical rappers in terms of quality. And nothing on Ab-Soul, J Cole, Jay Rock or any of them guys either..
dude, Kanye created that lans.. Ask drake himself
Aye aye not too much on Scorpion… that was his last good one
WHY can't Drake just make a vault like Prince did😅He don't need to release everything.
Just want to say that I subbed when this channel had 19.9K
This channel is great and it will blow up soon, keep grinding
so a couple days ago? 😂
What a great achievement.
A wise man once said "I'm getting so rich, my music's not even relatable"🤷🏾♂️
A zesty man once said, “girl I think I’m bi, cause you’re one of the guys”
I mean this is what y’all’s generation deserves. There’s a reason why older gens never allowed our artists to copy flows and get away with subpar bars or not being able to truly freestyle. If we allowed that, we would have had to endure the very same bs hip-hop is in today. Y’all condoned Drake monopolizing rap by buying out other artists and straight up jacking entire styles and sounds instead of making him have to truly compete. This is on the fans. Y’all created a monster and now you’re stuck with him.
Man y’all put up with all of the other debauchery. Too short spits the nastiest bullcrap. Ice cube was talking about no Vaseline. Snoop is brain dead. For every legit lyricist that came out y’all have always embraced morally bankrupt bullcrap too.
Preach!
Oh pls if y’all old niggas were THAT anti-biting or wave riding y’all wouldn’t have let Jay z get a pass for city is mine and using big’s bars for years in addition to wave riding exactly like Kanye Wayne and Drake did. And hov became bigger than everybody
@@romaretaylor9953 He don't get a pass, that's the point, talk to any hip-hop head, Jay-Z ain't no GOAT as far as artistry
That's more or less on the industry and his contemporaries who support him. The fans couldn't do jack shit about it if they wanted to. Plus, a lot of rappers can't freestyle. Hell, Cube wrote lines for the rest of NWA. Will Smith had ghostwriters. Multiple rappers, including Eminem, have admitted to biting Nas. There has always been rappers in the industry who jack styles, can't freestyle and are essentially mouthpieces.
you're honestly so true. Drake in the modern era has been nothing more than a brand. his last great project was IYRTITL. Her Loss was pretty good but mainly because 21 brought out the best in Drake.
Views More Life and dark lane demo tapes were solid too esp the latter 2, more life is one of his better works to me. And while 21 helped he def didn’t carry Drake we got middle of the Ocean which his his best lyricism since the more life era
So what if 21 brought out the best in Drake, still showed that he can rap at a high level in that album
This is a cannon opinion that is less opinion and more objectively fact. If your reading this its too late was the last GREAT Drake project. And he didnt even write it all on his own...
The streaming era changed his approach to music. It’s that simple.
This is way everyone went after Him in 2024… this is the underlying issue for the beef between him and everyone else.
Just like in the early 2000s, when mainstream hip hop seems to stagnate, the underground tends to flourish. People like Boldy James, Earl Sweatshirt, Redveil, Griselda hold it down to inject new energy. Not good, not bad. Just how it tends to work.
Drake is d biggest industry plant
Naaah
💯💯💯💯
Yea he should take a break, take it easy champ, rest up good. Nothing will happen while you're gone...i promise
If you were being ironic, then that's scary
This man only made it when he tried to ride trey songs wave in 2007
Thank god people are finally talking about this cause his last 4 releases have been nothing but mid to trash
Drake is fake his ghost writers are fire
"Successful", "Say You Will", "Over", "Headlines" Drake is long gone smh
Come up era drake is gone but so is come up era Kanye Kendrick Cole etc, where’s their criticism esp kanyes
@@romaretaylor9953 they don't get criticism because they still put effort into their new albums, donda, mr morale and the off season are still good albums and shit on whatever drake has been releasing lately
@@romaretaylor9953 They don't drop as often, even Kanye, Kanye don't usually drop back to back albums yearly. He's only done it twice in his career and at least Kanye does something different every release
As someone who’s been listening to drake for years and religiously listen to him it’s easy to admit his quality in projects has declined and all he really raps about is his absurdly materialistic lifestyle and the shallow women he deals with. Nothings changed much since 2015
For all the dogs I thought it was a good change not perfect but still better then the previous couple and saying he’s too big to fail is MOT entirely true. When he tried that new sound with Honestly Nevermind that was a huge fail. It was quickly forgotten about, and only one song succeeded and it was barely a success at that
Drake isn’t even really a rapper he’s like a hybrid artist that combines multiple types of music
Man said “carefully, curating, continue, canon , careless, quick.. consumption”
😂 thats a bar 💡
I grew up listening to Drake and although the tonality of his music may sound the same, he has achieved a high level of versatility over the years. From developing different accents to making himself a walking meme, he has shaped pop culture to where majority of the world knows who he is. He’s at a point in his career where he’s putting artists on the map like Yeat, Teezo Touchdown, Jack Harlow, 21 Savage, Lil Baby, and Lil Yachty. You may call his music mediocre but I think he’s contributed A LOT in the industry
I am not worried about the state of Hip Hop. Hip Hop went through the East Coast VS West Coast feud from the late 1980's to the late 1990's and is still standing. Hip Hop dealt with the Pop success of rappers in the very start of the 2000's and is still standing. Hip Hop isn't just rap, but DJing/Turntablism, Breaking/B Boys and B Girls, Graffiti Art, as well as MCing/Rapping. Just as KRS One, the Teacha of Hip Hop, once said: Hip Hop can never Die!
I love hip hop it’s rap I’m worried about
@@APTTMH07Honestly i think rap music isnt always hip hop but hip hop is always rap. Look, rap music is all music that involves rapping so rap music can be an umbrela term for new jack swing, hip hop, some modern RnB songs and some jungle songs
@@stefan5430 great point
fake Drake fans are in denial of this. Real drake fans who just want him to be the best artist he can be, like myself, see this as a huge problem
And realist understand that it’s NEVER going to happen!!!!! Drake’s most vulnerable song imo is “fear” if also throw in “successful” and his most vulnerable body of work imo is take care. And look at how long ago they were released. He is not growing as an artist people should just give up on him
@@t-god2439 shit im almost at that point where i just lost hope for him doing something great again
@@dominicharris5489 I gave up after views. And people say “oh you just hating” and blah blah blah nah I was there since “room for improvement” I know who he came into the game as. But the more bad lines I heard, the more reference tracks I heard, the more songs I found out he took. Just made me see this dude as an uninspired and shallow fraud. It’s to the point I can’t even look at take care the same because I know all the best songs off that project were originally The Weeknd’s. Don’t even get me on him painting his nails and wrecking berets in his hair. Like I’m good hopefully Kendrick will bounce back because his last album. Even though the material was good the way it was presented was trash imo. But I digress I think it’s just time you start looking toward other artist jid is good, ab soul’s album Herbert was really good, Joey badass last album 2000 was really good as well and oh if you haven’t heard killer mike last album sheeshhhhhh it’s album of the year
@@t-god2439 yeah idk wtf he doing painting his nails and the hairclips shit. i cant take him serious anymore. and yeah i fks with all them artist and those albums. drake just letting me down man. such is life I still gonna fk with the few gems drake still has on these bad albums. still got a few jams on em so Ill make do with those
@@dominicharris5489 🤣 man gotta move on man it’s painfully but the quicker you do it the better you’ll feel just never look back 🤣
DARK LANE DEMO TAPES IS A CLASSIC. People only rag on it because he called it a mixtape.
The bigger conversation is on how drake never was a natural creative, each album you can pin point the direct influence. He came in the game as a backpacker then he became 808 and heartbrake kanye mixed with mixtape wayne. I can keep going with other factors such as his bad album covers or uninspired videos but he's always been inorganic and having that type of artist at the forefront of any art form will always cheapen it overall. [Edited for spelling]
This is a really good point
@@fantastichiphop Drake does have talent on his own but it's more technical like how some artists are really good at mimicking others styles but fail to create one that's wholly original to their own.
Popular chameleon
None of his peers came into the game with their own unique style or sound. Name one ( and no Kendrick didn’t either he did a whole Mixtape in Wayne’s style)
@@romaretaylor9953 we all start with influence example on logic's under pressure he sounded like Kendrick but who would say that about logic now? By good kid mad city Kendrick was his own person etc.
Honestly, I am in the my 30's and I have not seen this side ever mentioned in hip hop media but here is my take.
Kendrick's being in the mainstream and gaining that huge following after GKMC to drop TPAB unironically created a butterfly effect in hip hop. The media and critics and the community use that album as the standard for reviewing hip hop albums moving forward. People raised their expectations and wanted every song, album, and mixtape to have some sort of special meaning when this was already in the genre in the underground never in mainstream. Look at all those artists we had before that album. Then look at them slowly fall off because of the criticism and the output from these artists decreased drastically. Kendrick and J Cole's out put was nonexistent did not help, they took way too much time putting out albums and barely did any collaborations or mixtapes. Within that gap this was the time the Gucci gang and all those lean drinking pill poppers started coming out and divided the older people and the young people in genre.
Mainstream hip hop artists are supposed to attract new listeners and the youth with simple sounds and easy lyricism for them to explore the genre and discover the real masterminds like MF Doom, Black Thought Talib, Mos, Inspektah. That deep meaning and lyricism can be intimidating to new listeners and to gain the attention of young people. When your in elementary school you read cat in the hat and gradually get to Shakespeare. Now people expect Shakespeare first.
Now I know people say "sales" don't matter but substance does. But please look back into the highest selling albums in the 90's & 00's you will see majority of the albums are not underground-esque as the one TBAP was. You also have to look at the big 3 for mainstream from the 2010-present and focus not only on their discography but their platform. How did they utilize their major platforms to show new artists and sounds etc. When you look into this it will shock you, and completely changed my perspective. People hate Drake and always will, and he's not my type of rapper at all but man I was actually amazed on how much he has done with his platform than the latter.
Take a look at all of Drake's opening acts for all his tours since the start, interludes that are just solos & new features on high selling albums, and just random collaborations. It his literally 100x more than Kendrick and J Cole and I can't believe no one has ever brought that up. When I saw Kendrick's even in just the past 5-6 years he has only done two features one in 2019 with sir and one recently with Beyonce. His current tour is the highest rap selling tour and his only opening act was Baby Keem. Then when I relistened to MM&TBS again, tracks like Purple Hearts and Mirror made me just realize Kendrick was the problem the whole time. After that album I actually hate TPAB now because he got his accolades, profits and set new standards of the hip hop genre off the struggles of his people.
I cannot believe in 2023 I would be saying that Drake out of all people in Main Stream Hip Hop alive and is actually keeping on its limbs. He is always in the spotlight, the memes and the criticisms. No matter he puts out music and makes his numbers. Even Nas one of my goat and the legend of Hip Hop at 50 year old has put out more work than Kendrick and J cole in the last decade combine. But what does the media do? Instead of the hip hop media congratulating Nas and Drake for continue to putting out music when they don't have to, they have nothing to prove and don't even call out the "other two goats" but still say they are the best of hip hop. Discography is not everything, and wont even matter when people stop listening.
The final nail in the coffin for the death of hip hop was was when Joe Buddens podcast review Magic 3 they trashed his bars and told him to stop. Imagine telling Nas to put the pen down doing what he loves and inspiring and growing the genre for the Kendricks and J Cole's. Who consider him as his idol but never said anything. No hip hop media or podcast even saw this. Everyone in hip hop media is just here for the impressions and views not for the love of the genre because noone would have let that slide back in the day. Now look at when Drake snapped back at Joe for with his main message being "don't listen to these critics just put out music you can be successful" but everyone just wanted to say why is flexing his money and hes just emotional his album sucks.
As someone who didn't like him, that mf just gained my fullest respect for being not being the punching bag for those two guys, but for carrying MAINSTREAM hip hop. Drake needs to leave this genre to stop inflating the actual sales, so people can really start to look at the problem.
BASED. A true hip hop fan looking critically at the game.
@@TheEdwardAlchemist I just tired of seeing the same narrative. People just keep stanning millionare rappers and no one can critique J. Cole and Kendrick? Weren't they part of the big three with Drake? When you try to have this argument people think your hating and trying to debate on whos the goat. Who cares whos the goat out of them what did they do when they reached their major platform. You got to look at who they brought to to the spotlight and man Drake did so much with his platform. These "Kendrick" fans don't even comprehend or understand Kendrick he literally tells you who he is in MM&TBS. These guys just watch other RUclips reviewers and just pass it off ass their opinion. Listen to what he is actually saying. In Purple Hearts he literally says "Two Stepping away from rappers I dont trust their intentions, I am not in the music business, I'm in the human business". In mask off he says "How ya'll let a concious rapper go commercial while only makin' concious albums". Then they wonder why everyone is asking for meaning and substance in mainstream hip hop.
Lil wayne literally dropped a mixtape and he got shit on for it, like wtf. We got to the point where we are judging and criticizing Lil Wayne mixtapes and yall are wondering why Hip Hop is in such a bad state? Mixtape Weezy fed the streets and no-one cared about substance, he literally just rapped about weed, woman, being a gangster and we were cool with that, got a few bops and that's all we needed. Rappers can't drop anything fun or just chill anymore without being heavily scrutinized.
I’m glad that you called out the media and critics for how they shit on other rappers and albums by instantly comparing them to Kendrick or TPAB.
And to add some interesting trivia, I paid $10 one time to show an old school fun type song I made to a RUclips livestream, and when my song got hated on, this white dork named “mattyballz” was telling me “That’s not lyricism. Dude’s like Kendrick and Black Thought, that’s what lyricism is.”
And that pissed me off so fucking bad cuz first off, lyricism doesn’t just come in one or two fucking formulas, ok? There are many great examples of lyricism that even dates all the fucking way back to the 80s. Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, Kool G Rap, all those dudes were flowing with words when Kendrick was just a fucking baby. So just for that, I don’t think Kendrick should be the only artist to study when it comes to lyricism.
And second, massively dick riding one specific artist isn’t gonna get more people to agree with you. I personally really like GKMC, but back in ‘21 when I decided to listen to TPAB next, I didn’t even finish the album after hearing Wesley’s Theory. I don’t even remember most of the lyrics to that song. I just was NOT interested. And back then, I didn’t even know why. But now I have a feeling
@@smaaron_j_46 I don't understand how they are so blind to this. They need to look at this at different angles. Discography does not mean everything. Exactly, they don't even know the pioneers, or do any research on anything. They do not understand the importance of sound at all. For them it's all about lyricism and majority of them don't even understand the messaging at all. They just watch their favorite youtuber and just do "yeah its so deep i feel that". Think about RZA, Dj Quik, Dr. Dre, Timba, Kanye, Pharell, Alchemist and their impact of bringing sound. No one can say in terms of IMPACT and INFLUENCE TPAB was more impactful than The Chronic for the culture. Why do people think Trap Muzik became so mainstream in the 2012's and on. Because METROBOOOMIN came with that sound that is why.
You just need good lyricism and great sound, that's what MAINSTREAM hip hop is for. To push the genre forward to the masses and keep the culture growing. They don't understand that the underground scene needs mainstream hip hop to stay alive otherwise how are people going to discover it. I found about Talib and Mos Def through Kanye. These guys are so blind they did not even realize Drake album was literally R&B. R&B fell out of mainstream and no one even noticed. Growing up we had Mary J, Usher, Mario, Alicia Keys, Fantasia, Keyshia Cole, CB, Keith Sweat and you know the rest. It use to be called Hip Hop & R&B
@@andyd3758 hell yeah man, that’s what’s up 🔥 vocals and production are much like peanut butter and jelly on a sandwich. One really wouldn’t be the best without the other, and I start to see more of that as some modern day lyricists pick the most mid ass beats to spit over. Cuz in their mind, their lyrics are what their music should be, and I’m sorry, but there’s levels to this shit. You also gotta keep me sonically engaged for me to enjoy your rhymes. Which is one strength that trap artists have over them. DS2 by Future? That album has no skips to me. Great production from Metro Boomin along with Zaytoven, Sonny Digital and a couple others, and Future not only comes with surprisingly solid lyricism, he flows over each track so well and makes every hook a catchy tune.
Perhaps if hip hop and fans alike fully accepted Drake when he was dropping “Take Care” & “Nothing Was The Same” we wouldn’t have the Drake that we have today. Now Drake is in the position to where he can do whatever he wants with it….
How he killing hip hop when y'all stay saying he ain't a rapper, he's a pop star?
A question for the ages👏🏽👏🏽 hit it right on the nail 🫡
@@loyisongwenya818 I'm just saying, they need to make up their minds. When he up, they claim him, when they don't agree with what he puts out he suddenly don't matter to the culture cause he's a pop star! Now he ruining something that they say he ain't apart of?🤨 They need to move the hell on, they TOO concerned & giving this one man all this power! Hip Hop survived Hammer & Vanilla Ice, I'm sure they'll be good after Drake! 🤭
if he dropping another album its has to be sounded like
nothing was the same
take care
and IYRTITL
AND no more sneak dissing
Bro that Drake is gone you have to let it go the next album needs to be like 4:44
Drake never been hiphop he's hip pop.....
I stopped listening in 2013. Never really liked his music before that. These break downs are just interesting
Last innovation I’ve heard in hiphop was xxtentacion.
This man still has storytelling in his music... what are you talking about??
I disagree with the idea that his music has declined over the years but I do appreciate the thought piece. Art is subjective and others are allowed to dislike his work
Ngl tho.. dude sounds like a hater 😂
Drake is killing hip hop
NO he's just a product it's the business that's killing it Where's BET Rap city and MTV raps music shows at? HOW the hell did Tyler fucking Perry control the black channel.
It's actually very simple to follow drake's career, his first was heavily influenced by the Houston sound the a Houston rapper who drake basically jacked his sound, Take Care was heavily influenced by the weeknd in fact a lot of the songs were originally the weeknd's then they started having issues " nothing was the same" - "kiss land" era they parted ways, " if you're reading this, it's too late" enter Quintinn Miller
🔥 perspective, I told many that his music is low quality high selling like Aquafina and Kendrick and Cole is like the Fiji water of records. Drake might as well call Kendrick out and take a bow
Kendrick Lamar anyday anytime over Drake
Fantastic Hip Hop is the perfect kendrick lamar drider and ultimate drake hater. These are some truly insightful videos
Drake been a copy and paste rapper since the beginning. A vulture but when you say this his bee hive fans call you a hater
He’s a half black dude who grew up listening to hip hop how is he a culture vulture? Everyone doesn’t have to come from the streets selling crack for studio time to be a good rapper
@@romaretaylor9953 you corny. You can be from the hood and be a vulture it has nothing to do with his race he has no real sound of his own he adapts to what the trend is
@@romaretaylor9953Drake is exactly Jewish. His dad is black so Drake use his dad as leverage to say “HEY GUYS IM BLACK GUYS LOL”
Thank you!👏🏾
But he still the one who is keeping it alive
We need that east coast 90s rap back. When the verses were longer and every song had 3 hooks, 3 verses and a bridge. The average song today has shorten by like 2 minutes lol. It’s like these new artist will make a catchy hook with one good line out of two verses and it’s a hit and the main problem it that artist don’t rap to be relatable no more they rap to distance their selves from the same ppl that supports their music.
Just like Lebron with basketball
That going bad music video with Meek mill hits different now. Nipsey PNB Rock were both in it crazy R.I.P man
Saying drake is the face is a bold statement
Idk if Drake is the reason hip hop is dying lol that’s a powerful statement. His albums aren’t great and he could do more to set a trend of quality
Drake is going out sad
My opinion is this is mixtape material and should be taken lightly. Mainstream public misunderstood album. He hasn't't created a problem in Rap? He created an avenue for worthy artists to shine along with him as critics would say "Following The Trend". I can't stand mfs who downplay any artist music. You can give a concrete opinion on art if you haven't even digested the album
PUSHA T DISS HAPPENED.
Teens in the mid 2010s killed hip hop. They made people who legit dont give a shit about it famous. And drake jus rode the wave. He doesnt needa put effort he just needa to collab and put sum out cuz we let him
Consumers killed hip hop. You control what sounds good. You stopped searching. And started preferring a certain type of music.
None of this logic makes sense.
Drake is great, his involvement in the game is second to none
Fast food music is the perfect description for Drake nowadays
Man that's a crazy title to say about Drake but offcourse people are not happy with the album , I haven't listened to it, let's not get ahead of ourselves he still been this consistent for a decade and still doing numbers. It's like people want him to be the old drake and re do take care , nothing was the same ,or something similar to the older albums don't get me wrong I use to have that mindset of oh I miss the old drake but times have changed he had to adapt to the current generation of people that listen to his music . I'm sure alot of older people tune in too his older albums . Imagine if he would of just keep being the old drake and never switched up the flow people would of said he getting boring then it would considered outdated or .left behind . He doing all this stuff to stay revelant sometimes you can't get mad at the artist , look at the consumers too the fans are ones making certain music hot. He always had to be a trendsetter to create controversy and keep people entertained at the same time . Even with 6ixnine he had to do all of those tactics to get attention from people . People tuned into that heavy lol so those antics worked for him to capitalize off of
I agree, but I think the problem for this album was for the name to be 'for all the dogs' we thought we was getting the 'old drake' but that wasn't the case at all. the name of the album was misleading
Art comes from the Artist and Fans and admirers get whatever the Artist gives them🤷🏾Prince/Michael J never cared what people thought. Drake should do the same. Move on to the next project my Dude👊🏽
Drake I love all his projects 💯
The dic_riding is crazy
He was saying he need time to rest and now he dropped another project after a month xd
drake is not stopping anyone from making great music Lamar n Cole are not releasing
Enough with the drake hate… give me one artist that didn’t face a decline in the quality of their music over time ? None , we all either grow out of their music or they themselves are artistically drained
kendrick 🤣
Three drake videos in a row? Dawg at least try and split them? U feasting on his relevancy while complaining hes ruining hiphop.
He ain’t never been the same since he got 🐶 slapped by Diddy
🤣🤣🤣🤣
I wish I we had DMX and Tupac back i rather listen to them over pathetic Drake and Jay-Z.
Irony at best! Bro makes music and $$$ but it constantly keeps getting worse. But fk this is what happens when u sell ya soul, don't know when "they'll " take u out. Like his Album he need "More Life"
Drake changed the music game again and everyone is focusing on the negative but if you look closely CLB was a classic, HNVM was a classic for people who listen to house music like me, and Her Loss was for the gangstas, and FATD is for all mixes of people. Drakes reach is crazy 🎉
It really is!!! The hate train is real!!!
@@theinsightfulvisionary0197 What makes a CLB a classic though??
this was so well produced and thought out subscribed
Drake makes music the way Lil Wayne did. He says everything without saying anything at all and plus they record from a fun perspective not to raise you or give you a old skool feeling. He’s been making the same song like every other artist since 2006, if you listen closely no artist evolves much. Kendrick been rapping bout the same shit since the Kendrick Lamar EP just in different variations & beats. Cole been making the same music since I was a kid. Y’all just hating or gotten older and outgrew Drake. Jay Z sounded the same in 96 all the way until now, you just get tired of seeing & hearing these guys. Same old story. There’s a peak to evolving, y’all want too much. Go listen to rock music & have a coke & a smile & stfu
MR HIP HOP IS GOATED, NEVER FORGET
Nas. Eminem. LL. Dre. Snoop. No sir.
DRAKE IS A PLANT!