We don't want to lock every operation.. we still need to change many settings while shooting. We want to have the option to lock the Shutter Angle ONLY so we can keep it at 180 degree all the time without changing the value by mistake.. shoot the whole time and realize that all the footage may be unusable because the motion blur is wrong.
@8kisok703 Since when?! To my knowledge, it’s like the original S5 and others.. it’s an "Operation Lock" that locks every operation.. no way to lock the Shutter Speed only. If the option is truly there, then nobody seem to know it since i’m not the only one whinning about that.
I'm a Sony user, I have lots of lenses, buy that new s5m2x dammmm it looks good, for the money it's just a much better option than anything Sony for that price
The S5 IIX has a better build quality and won't overheat also. You can use it anywhere. For the price, it's a much better deal than the Sony, even if the autofocus is slightly better and it has all the AI features. Panasonic did a better job at this price. If you are an amateur, you get a professional weapon that will last, you will grow with it.
I would like to use this to make tutorials and youtube videos, with the highest image quality possible. I'd also like to start getting into photography. Would this be the right choice? I like the idea of growing into the tool.
@@atticusakelly If you need photography, the 24 MP sensor on the S5ii is just better, zero competition. However, if you like 4k60 (no crop) and 4k120 (some crop, S5ii doesnt even do 4k120 at all), then go for the ZVE1. If you just need 4k24 or 4k30, and you're sure about that, then go with the S5ii. S5ii has great 4k60, but it IS cropped into 1.5x, so it makes framing annoying.
@@atticusakelly I have the original S5 but I know most specs of the S5ii series. The 4K30 and 25 are full frame no crop, full width. You can choose to do a APSC crop on 4K30 and 25 if you want, but you don’t have to. For 4K60 fps you are forced into APSC.
if your worried about pulling the s5iix out and messing up your settings you have on it if you re map the front button to operation lock it allows you to lock all of the settings to what they are and simply just press it again to unlock. it has saved me so many times on the s5ii
There definitely should also be a price comparison to the Noct-not only weight. Like what fraction of the Noct a camera's price is. This will make it a holistic comparison 🤗
hahaha that's a nice one , we should consider the (barrel) which is equal to 80mil of Walter White's money that he put in barrels to hide in the desert since both Chris and Gordan are a big movie buffs
@@scottslotterbeck3796 Jordon's evil twin brother. Its a joke in some of the Dpreview videos he shows up. They do a camera stick and split the video and Jordon plays Gordon. He's a Hollywood filmmaker and only uses the best of the best gear and looks down on other nerds and Jordon who is more down to Earth filmmaker.
That's a hot topic. Joking aside they should have mentioned the Sony heat issues but I think with the start of the new channel they're concentrating on the positive.
@@frostgodx The way the game is played if they're too negative they won't get prerelease cameras to review. Instead bashing a camera they'll leave out unfavorable aspects. Chis and Jordan are pretty fair so I can't be too hard on them. The omission is probably mostly to do this was a fairly short review of two cameras. Before making a larger purchase the buyer needs to watch/read as many different sources as possible to catch stuff like over heating.
I want a G-series camera with the S5II/X PDAF tech with the Micro4/3 benefits, so faster readout, no cropping, better slowmo, save the extra video stuff and a new sensor for the GH7.
I just can’t get there with the ZV-E1 … it’s a camera made for basically no one. At $2200 it’s not aimed at a beginners price point, but lacks a bunch of the features nearly all professionals would need (custom buttons and heat dissipation as an example). I’m a Sony shooter, but this camera was a massive swing and a miss. It’s pretty obvious that the S5IIX is the far better offering at the price point. Open gate recording is huge for someone like myself who works primarily with social media influencers who need 16x9 and 9x16 videos extracted from the footage we shoot. Not to mention Blackmagic RAW, as a Davinci user that’s huge. For the first time since I started shooting sony I’m tempted to buy a camera outside of the Sony ecosystem.
@@richrollin4867 Yep. From my point of view - If you want a great image right out of the gate no matter how much of a noob you are, you get the ZV-E1. If you want to spend time with RAW and rigging up your camera, you get the S5IIX. He mentions liking the sharper image from the S5II better but some of these S5II videos are just hard to watch compared to A7SIII, FX3, ZV-E1 stuff. Even the FX6 uses the same sensor.
If the GH7 comes out with phase detect AF then they've got the backpacker/hiker market (assuming they've also got weather sealed lenses with it.) But as that isn't really a thing, the S5iix wins in my book due to the sealing, EVF and open gate modes. Just need to pickup an appropriate lens for it. The sony is nice but I don't want the camera to die while I'm in the middle of nowhere for several days/weeks.
Gh7 would,need to be back to MFT roots….around 500 grams and small (max around OM5 or slightly bigger) to get hiker market. G9 for example to large. It would be nice!
As long as you carry 40 Panasonic batteries, you can record 40 minutes of footage. How crap of a camera company must you be to still not know how to make a battery?
The S5 IIX sounds like an ideal camera. Now, Panasonic needs to bring phase-detect to Micro Four Thirds for me while still bringing great video features.
I'm kind of hoping that Panasonic doesn't abandon MFT and gives us a MFT GH7, or a successor to the G99/95 series. I think Panasonic could definitely benefit especially from making an entry level G99/95 successor with retro aesthetics. Would love to see it.
The E mount lens ecosystem is a huge advantage for Sony in my mind. I've used Panasonic GHs for quite a while but was about to switch to Sony. But the good enough AF and other features of the S5ii X versus what are big negatives for me with the ZV-E1/FX30 (no EVF, microHDMI, impaired features like shutter angle and no waveform, etc) is getting me to move to the L mount system. Sony's color has improved to my eyes, but I still prefer what I can get with V Log.
It's a real shame you rushed through stabe and audio, and didn't mention overheating. All super important factors. I'm not super familiar with the Sony's audio specs but wouldn't the Pannyboy win out just for having a four-channel option, better preamps, and going all the way down to -18db? I get the desire to keep the videos a reasonable length, but we're here for your analysis first, a minute spent on these factors would have been well worth it.
@@Clickumentary I'm glad he branched out to nature videography 😊 I bet if he had the 150-600 to use with S5IIx it may have beat out his A7SIII for nature video....
definitely the canon r8, but in this case the Lumix is for me. tried the zv-e1 for about a month and that was horrible for photography. and the mic for vlogging is not that good either. low light video is grainy as well. too expensive
There is no overheating issues with the S5 II / X since it has an amazing fan system which let's you record unlimited. From watching other reviews, the ZV-E1 overheats a crap ton.
@@fofophoDo you own and use the zve1? I live in South Florida and my zve1 is completely useable for me. If I’m doing long format shooting I use my a7siii (which doesn’t over heat at all). But the zve1 will shoot 4k30 for 30 min and 4k60 for 15-20 mins in the sun at 90 deg f.
@@CAMTechChris people who post and complains about ZVE1 are non ZVE1 owners and are just parroting what those reviewers complains about. By having overheating and HDMI-Type D as the main issue for a camera of this size, I think Sony made a pretty good trade off.
I can put the ZVE1 with the Sony G 24mm in my pocket, and it has better in built mic for a stripped down system. It also has the best autofocus. The S5ii is a brilliant camera, but different customer. I think with the dynamic active they effectively use the clear Image zoom so I’m not convinced it loses that much quality, noticeable that is.
I want a zv-e1x black on black ! but really as a A1 (among others) owner i added the zv-e1 for backup and because its small its a compromise but i am willing to make it. What i do hope is that people see the interesting things sony is doing in the area of mic control, auto-framing and some of the other tricks they are adding its a start of something that can become very interesting it needs some tuning but it does work kind in many cases.
What about the overheating comparasion, or is the the Sony zv e1 overheats quickly? How low can it be usable for filming in 4k 24p in a hot environment, or summer?
Great to see the ZV-E1 holding its own. I had some bad experiences with the ZV-E10 recently. We used it and a Fuji X-T3 as BtS caneras and, oh man, did the five years old Fuji blow the Sony out of the water. There wasnt even a comparison to be made.
If you are just starting out and looking for a hybrid camera the Panasonic s5ii would be miles better than the ZV-E1, specially if you want to take photographs & shoot long videos. Even though the s5ii can't match ZV-E1's 4k 120 fps, I really wish the 4k 60 was uncropped. On the other hand, the ZV-E1 is a fantastic video camera for travelling, content creation, vlogging & short video clips here & there. Definitely aimed towards different users.
Thank god you guys found a new home! As a fellow Calgarian, I loved seeing our local environments. Oh and you guys too, I love you guys......but mostly just Calgary!
Not sure how many other people noticed this too but I really liked on the old channel where the thumbnails have the video title too which made it easier to find the videos in my subscription feed
The Pana is so superior that a comparison does not really make sense. The only thing I like about the Sony: it got the advanced AF that my Sony flagship a1 does not get. Because relevant firmware updates for Sonys involve buying a new body. On this note: my old G9 gets more firmware updates than my a1. 👆
Good to see that your still using the Noct weight comparison! Besides that I couldn't wait for its release, the battery life is one reason I have an S5II and didn't order the X. Since you need to use an SSD to get the best recording options, you can't use the USB-C port for powering the camera with a PD battery and use an SSD at the same time. When I am recording, I often do 5-6 hour shoots and hearing the battery life is just over an hour is disappointing. How did you test the battery life though? Did you start recording and leave it until the battery died? Or some other way? That would be useful to know. If that battery life is true for normal shooting you would need quite a few batteries to do an all day shoot whereas with one USB-C battery on the S5II, I can record and take photos for as long as I need without having to swap batteries by powering the camera and charging the internal battery from it and still have lots of battery life left at the end of the day on a large capacity PD battery. the X should have had 2 USB-C ports and one for USB-C batteries if you are meant to use an SSD with it.
ZV-E1 is for the vlogger with too much cash lying around, whereas S5 II is for the guy with a bit of brain to opt for a hybrid with option to take better photos than ZV-E1
I don’t know if wedding video, videoclip, corpo video are considered vlogging, but for these jobs, I traded my 2x s5iix for 1x zv-e1, and 1x a7cII (If I need more photo capabilities) and I have no regrets. I am in Canada, and I worked with the zv-e1 at 35C in summer, at 0C in winter, in light rain, and no problem…
My guess is in terms of Auto Focus, the Panasonic is only a firmware or two update away from putting it on par with the SONY to where that will be a draw.
When talking about image quality isn't there a moire issue with the Panasonic coming from it being sharper which may be why I think Sony uses lower megapixels for a more pleasing and result.
Then right after this the other guy made a comment that the Panasonic is a winner for photography. But again that makes it a loser for video if it's going to ruin the image with moire. Sure you might be able to compensate with a filter but then you'll lose focus.
Some people want full frame either because well they want it or they have many ff lenses anyway and the extra cost doesn't bother them. The bigger (real) battery, way better AF and that lovely sensor help.
@@scb2scb2 sure, I’m sure they r done they’re research but the simplified menu suggest it’s aimed at the less techy content creator types but the price point suggests otherwise. For most the ZV1 produces good images, let alone the APSC in the E10. Going full frame in the E1 but with only 12mp just seems an odd mix. Great for low light and fast pans etc but the image detail might be lacking. I guess everyone’s different but I’d rather have a faster reading, hires apsc sensor than a massive ‘see in the dark sensor’ but at relatively low res. 10bit is a lovely upgrade mind you.
@@BikingChap The menu is really not that much simpler than say my A1. My guess is they and i think correctly feel there are enough content makers that work alone but do have the cash to get this and make it work for them some of the newer features do help to film alone or quicker and i am sure they will extend on these ideas. Also sony released like 3 or 4 vlogger cameras/creator cameras now so partly its also just seeing what works and sells.
One question. In comparing battery life, did you base the life span on leaving the camera ON the whole time? Or did you ever turn off the camera when you weren't filming? For me, I don't leave the camera on if I know I'm going to stop or take a break from filming. Great content, guys. Glad you're still around doing reviews.
Great video comparison! I’ve seen other channels talk about significant recording limitations on the Sony due to overheating. Did you experience that at all in your usage? The S5iiX has the built in fan so presumably no issue?
The Fuji XH2s would have been a interresting comparison. It has dropped in price a bit, so I was able to pick it up for a similar price to these two cameras. With the stacked sensor I can get the detail of the S5 without the rolling shutter drawbacks. (Would also be interrresting to see quality comparison inbetween APS-C and FF. But I have heard reports that the fuji DR is incredibely good and very close to the A7sIII, and a speedbooster will fix any potential low light drawbacks...)
I have an Xh2s and personally it’s just a fun camera to use, dynamic range in Flog 2, the film simulations, it’s just a fun camera that can do incredible things and I’ve never noticed the rolling shutter, just an incredible camera to use, also shot my feature on it too! Beast of a camera
Excellent review! Did you notice moire patterns on the s5ii due to the lack of AA filter to the sensor?And if so is it going to be a problem on professional work?
PANASONIC : PLEASE add a "shutter angle only" LOCKING OPTION in the Controls Lock Option menu. We ALL NEED it, and it just make all the sense in the world. Thank you!
Hi, loving your new chanel! Is a review of the Lenses Samyang AF 35-150mm F2-2.8 FE Planned? Im surprised very little info is out ther for this lens that could be a gamechanger... Thanks and good luck!
You know, if you a creator and shoot mainly for RUclips , think about this. This guys shoot video like 10 years or so, the footage quality in the past 5 did not change much for me as a viewer. No matter what body they use. Buy by battery and ergos first.
haha. OMG, your videos are so funny and so positive. I just finished watching a Jared Polin review for the Z8, for the first time after years away from his channel, and it was difficult to get through. While obviously incredibly smart, Jared appears to have an obligation and agreement with Canon to avoid saying anything overly positive about any other brand. It's tough listening to a review when you can hear the constant bias that taints the entire review. A person's sour attitude can rub off on the audience, even when it's totally irrational. So I really appreciate you guys being non-biased, and not having an obligation to push Canon products.
Great video. And I just received my zV-E1 2 days ago, did you find out if you shot log with embedded LUTs on it, and with “show LUT”, then yes LUT color is on the video when looking at the screen on camera. however when download to computer, it’s still only a plain log video file with no LUT burned in it. 😓😵 And when google with Sony Menu, that’s what it said “ [Embed LUT File] is locked to [Off] when using SD cards or SDHC cards.” Then ZV-E1 is only with 1 SD card slot, what does it mean? Anybody successfully have the log with embed LUT and still showing in Computer?
I got a zve1. So far so good. I’m a total noob though so I really don’t know. I just wanted the cheapest Sony full frame video camera because I didn’t want to pony up for the a7siii or the fx3.
I’m disappointed that the overheating issues w/ the EV-1 didn’t come up. 30 minutes of 4k before shutting down is unusable for any workflow I can imagine
For someone (photographer) who wants to start in videography to make his job in and wants to choose a video-focussed camera to also stay in that ecosystem. Panasonic or sony in this case?
Great review. Which Sony model has the stamina of 'Lumix' in terms of non heating continious reliablity (in warmer countries). as in the past we had some issues with Sony getting really hot in long concert recording. I am thinking Sony will struggle against the propsed GH7 (with full HDMI, waveform, 2 SD cards and better recovery from over/ under exposure). for instance the A7r5 did not have good DR.
Depend on work flow I do both photo and video I picked Panasonic S5IIX I wish with latest firmware Panasonic can shoot 4k with 60fps and 120fps Before Panasonic I was a Canon Shooter Canon 5D Mark IV and Canon R6
I want to like the S5 IIX. But the problem of very limited pro lens selection is a MAJOR problem. I feel reviewers don't give this issue enough exposure. Maybe they don't because its not something that can be fixed in weeks or months. Heck it'll probably take years to rectify. And how long has the S mount beeen out? I was looking at native S mount lenses on Panasonic's website and got sorely dissapointed. They have the bare minimum you would call professional. Also their designs and image quatlity also don't appear to be anywhere near Sony's G Master lenses. Panasonic have active cooling for the price range and an excellent UI as well as remote control phone app. It just feels so good in the hands and in operation. But I think the IQ is just not on par with Sony due to lens quality.
@@mylo4060 Yea I meant L mount. And I mean native Panasonic glass. Took a look at Panasonic glass and its just too limited. Also Sigma is too heavy compared to modern Sony GM designs and don't even come close to image quality. Both Sigma and Leica designs are older and not suitable for video work. I very much prefer Sony's designs... 1 mount to rule them all. Don't underestimate the importance of high quality lenses suitable for both photo and video. So I guess I'll keep using Sony and give Panasonic at least another few years to even out the lens lineup.
@@dyong888 I see what you mean, now that I think about it is quite weird that the bodies are so vídeo feature heavy and not the lenses selection. I not experience with video, I actually purchased the Panasonic s5 II( non X) and want to start with video. Sony is amazing but the value of the Panasonic was unbeatable( in my particular case)
When Panasonic wins a category Jordan says I have to give it to Panasonic, when Sony wins , Jordan says the winner is Sony, think about that the next time
Looks like time to upgrade from S5 OG to the S5IIx, the Phase Detect autofocus is the best upgrade from an already good hybrid! S5 was already really good at photo and video if you manually focused ...
The S5 has an operation lock in the menus. You can set it to a function button for a quick lock on the wheels
Thanks :D
We don't want to lock every operation.. we still need to change many settings while shooting. We want to have the option to lock the Shutter Angle ONLY so we can keep it at 180 degree all the time without changing the value by mistake.. shoot the whole time and realize that all the footage may be unusable because the motion blur is wrong.
@8kisok703 Since when?! To my knowledge, it’s like the original S5 and others.. it’s an "Operation Lock" that locks every operation.. no way to lock the Shutter Speed only. If the option is truly there, then nobody seem to know it since i’m not the only one whinning about that.
@@davidmultimedia2024угол затвора можно отдельно блокировать. Не придумывайте ерунду
Glad the Noct has made the transition as standard weight unit
I'm a Sony user, I have lots of lenses, buy that new s5m2x dammmm it looks good, for the money it's just a much better option than anything Sony for that price
The S5 IIX has a better build quality and won't overheat also. You can use it anywhere. For the price, it's a much better deal than the Sony, even if the autofocus is slightly better and it has all the AI features. Panasonic did a better job at this price. If you are an amateur, you get a professional weapon that will last, you will grow with it.
Thank u for sharing ur opinion on the comparison. Just what I was looking
I would like to use this to make tutorials and youtube videos, with the highest image quality possible. I'd also like to start getting into photography. Would this be the right choice? I like the idea of growing into the tool.
@@atticusakelly If you need photography, the 24 MP sensor on the S5ii is just better, zero competition. However, if you like 4k60 (no crop) and 4k120 (some crop, S5ii doesnt even do 4k120 at all), then go for the ZVE1. If you just need 4k24 or 4k30, and you're sure about that, then go with the S5ii. S5ii has great 4k60, but it IS cropped into 1.5x, so it makes framing annoying.
@@thatsreallyamoon thank you, is the 4k25 or 4k30 cropped? I appreciate your response!
@@atticusakelly I have the original S5 but I know most specs of the S5ii series. The 4K30 and 25 are full frame no crop, full width. You can choose to do a APSC crop on 4K30 and 25 if you want, but you don’t have to. For 4K60 fps you are forced into APSC.
No mention of overheating/record times? Some users are reporting that the ZV-E1 is quite poor in that regard.
How can he know that? He lives in Canada!
Some users who own it have no issues. Real simple. Are you doing really long clips?
Mine overheated using it in webcam mode (720p) 30min standby then 15 streaming then off 70 deg room temp :(
@@ryanreyes5440 Yes terrible camera for streaming. Get a much cheaper FX30
@@83442handleony camera is marketed for vloggers. So the answer to your question is yes.
if your worried about pulling the s5iix out and messing up your settings you have on it if you re map the front button to operation lock it allows you to lock all of the settings to what they are and simply just press it again to unlock. it has saved me so many times on the s5ii
There definitely should also be a price comparison to the Noct-not only weight. Like what fraction of the Noct a camera's price is. This will make it a holistic comparison 🤗
hahaha that's a nice one , we should consider the (barrel) which is equal to 80mil of Walter White's money that he put in barrels to hide in the desert since both Chris and Gordan are a big movie buffs
Excellent suggestion
Gordon said these cameras are junk and he said just buy a Arri Alexa.
Whose Gordon?
@@scottslotterbeck3796 who you?
@@scottslotterbeck3796 Jordon's evil twin brother. Its a joke in some of the Dpreview videos he shows up. They do a camera stick and split the video and Jordon plays Gordon. He's a Hollywood filmmaker and only uses the best of the best gear and looks down on other nerds and Jordon who is more down to Earth filmmaker.
Gordon also said his Master Primes weigh more than a noct and Jordan should stop implying it's a lot. Real lenses have chonky bodies
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I’m sort of surprised that you didn’t cover overheating
That's a hot topic. Joking aside they should have mentioned the Sony heat issues but I think with the start of the new channel they're concentrating on the positive.
That was covered elsewhere.
@@petercofrancesco9812 kind of bogus
@@frostgodx The way the game is played if they're too negative they won't get prerelease cameras to review. Instead bashing a camera they'll leave out unfavorable aspects. Chis and Jordan are pretty fair so I can't be too hard on them. The omission is probably mostly to do this was a fairly short review of two cameras. Before making a larger purchase the buyer needs to watch/read as many different sources as possible to catch stuff like over heating.
Lol they're too scared to bring that up. They don't wanna be blackballed by Sony
Yay! Jordan and Chris on Petapixel!
The 4k/60 crop on the S5II is still a bummer. Otherwise its exactly the camera I want.
and the stupid af
Excellent coverage as usual, good to see Chris in a supporting role… Keep the contact coming you need to flood your channel with stuff.
I want a G-series camera with the S5II/X PDAF tech with the Micro4/3 benefits, so faster readout, no cropping, better slowmo, save the extra video stuff and a new sensor for the GH7.
I just can’t get there with the ZV-E1 … it’s a camera made for basically no one.
At $2200 it’s not aimed at a beginners price point, but lacks a bunch of the features nearly all professionals would need (custom buttons and heat dissipation as an example).
I’m a Sony shooter, but this camera was a massive swing and a miss. It’s pretty obvious that the S5IIX is the far better offering at the price point. Open gate recording is huge for someone like myself who works primarily with social media influencers who need 16x9 and 9x16 videos extracted from the footage we shoot. Not to mention Blackmagic RAW, as a Davinci user that’s huge. For the first time since I started shooting sony I’m tempted to buy a camera outside of the Sony ecosystem.
Yeah, I'd take an FX30 any day over it. The sensor size penalty is negated by pretty much everything else being massively better on the FX.
@@richrollin4867 Yep. From my point of view - If you want a great image right out of the gate no matter how much of a noob you are, you get the ZV-E1. If you want to spend time with RAW and rigging up your camera, you get the S5IIX. He mentions liking the sharper image from the S5II better but some of these S5II videos are just hard to watch compared to A7SIII, FX3, ZV-E1 stuff. Even the FX6 uses the same sensor.
Wait it's 2200?!
Thank God you guys are back! I knew something was missing from my camera searches and now I know what it was🤟🏽
If the GH7 comes out with phase detect AF then they've got the backpacker/hiker market (assuming they've also got weather sealed lenses with it.)
But as that isn't really a thing, the S5iix wins in my book due to the sealing, EVF and open gate modes. Just need to pickup an appropriate lens for it.
The sony is nice but I don't want the camera to die while I'm in the middle of nowhere for several days/weeks.
Gh7 would,need to be back to MFT roots….around 500 grams and small (max around OM5 or slightly bigger) to get hiker market. G9 for example to large. It would be nice!
@@gordon3988 GH is never going back to that.
@@POVwithRC agreed. That market will likely remain with OM.
@@gordon3988 I'm not really sure that Olympus has the majority of the hiking/backpacking market.
As long as you carry 40 Panasonic batteries, you can record 40 minutes of footage. How crap of a camera company must you be to still not know how to make a battery?
Another fun and informative video! Never change, guys!
The S5 IIX sounds like an ideal camera.
Now, Panasonic needs to bring phase-detect to Micro Four Thirds for me while still bringing great video features.
I'm kind of hoping that Panasonic doesn't abandon MFT and gives us a MFT GH7, or a successor to the G99/95 series. I think Panasonic could definitely benefit especially from making an entry level G99/95 successor with retro aesthetics. Would love to see it.
I’m hoping they also make more smaller bodies like a gx10 , it’d be pretty rad.
@@martpalamine7040 LX100 III?
MFT definitely still has a place and with the improved autofocus can really be a great thing. MFT has a good lens mount catalog
Can't wait for a follow up to the G9, and hope they continue the GX line too
I’d happily take a follow up to the G9 there is a reason they haven’t updated it yet….still keeps up with today’s cameras
The E mount lens ecosystem is a huge advantage for Sony in my mind. I've used Panasonic GHs for quite a while but was about to switch to Sony. But the good enough AF and other features of the S5ii X versus what are big negatives for me with the ZV-E1/FX30 (no EVF, microHDMI, impaired features like shutter angle and no waveform, etc) is getting me to move to the L mount system. Sony's color has improved to my eyes, but I still prefer what I can get with V Log.
True E Mount has more options but L Mount has come a long way with Sigma’s offerings too. If you’re a prime shooter the Panasonic f1.8 series is great
FX30 has full-size HDMI
It's a real shame you rushed through stabe and audio, and didn't mention overheating. All super important factors.
I'm not super familiar with the Sony's audio specs but wouldn't the Pannyboy win out just for having a four-channel option, better preamps, and going all the way down to -18db?
I get the desire to keep the videos a reasonable length, but we're here for your analysis first, a minute spent on these factors would have been well worth it.
hahaha i too call it the pannyboy am not sure if its kasey from CC or was it already the slang before him 😂
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@@reemalhadrami5274 pannyboy + "stabe" are Kasey calling cards
@@Clickumentary I'm glad he branched out to nature videography 😊 I bet if he had the 150-600 to use with S5IIx it may have beat out his A7SIII for nature video....
definitely the canon r8, but in this case the Lumix is for me. tried the zv-e1 for about a month and that was horrible for photography. and the mic for vlogging is not that good either. low light video is grainy as well. too expensive
I'd be curious about the overheating / shoot times on both.
There is no overheating issues with the S5 II / X since it has an amazing fan system which let's you record unlimited. From watching other reviews, the ZV-E1 overheats a crap ton.
@@UltratecJS seems like relevant info for a video shooting comparison!
No doubt. The ZV-E1 is basically unusable in Florida (where I live and shoot).
@@fofophoDo you own and use the zve1? I live in South Florida and my zve1 is completely useable for me. If I’m doing long format shooting I use my a7siii (which doesn’t over heat at all). But the zve1 will shoot 4k30 for 30 min and 4k60 for 15-20 mins in the sun at 90 deg f.
@@CAMTechChris people who post and complains about ZVE1 are non ZVE1 owners and are just parroting what those reviewers complains about. By having overheating and HDMI-Type D as the main issue for a camera of this size, I think Sony made a pretty good trade off.
I think you missed out recording times before overheating. These cameras have very different abilities in that category.
I can put the ZVE1 with the Sony G 24mm in my pocket, and it has better in built mic for a stripped down system. It also has the best autofocus. The S5ii is a brilliant camera, but different customer.
I think with the dynamic active they effectively use the clear Image zoom so I’m not convinced it loses that much quality, noticeable that is.
I wish there was a compact G 20mm F2.8-ish though! 24mm just isn't wide enough sometimes and the 20mm 1.8 is too big
I want a zv-e1x black on black ! but really as a A1 (among others) owner i added the zv-e1 for backup and because its small its a compromise but i am willing to make it. What i do hope is that people see the interesting things sony is doing in the area of mic control, auto-framing and some of the other tricks they are adding its a start of something that can become very interesting it needs some tuning but it does work kind in many cases.
Maybe you should buy another cam as back-up for the zv-e1. Summer is coming 🏜
@@Giovanni-Giorgio you better watch out your comment is smoking hot, don't worry about my cameras they will be fine...
I'm so glad to see you guys back in action !
I still can't believe a company like Sony can't hire a freshly graduated UX designer or the like to make a better menu....shocking.
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Nice to see you hosting! Great job!
What about the overheating comparasion, or is the the Sony zv e1 overheats quickly?
How low can it be usable for filming in 4k 24p in a hot environment, or summer?
The Panasonic S5ii would be the best buy, but I don’t lug around large cameras, so practically the best for me is the Sony, despite its limitations.
Great to see the ZV-E1 holding its own. I had some bad experiences with the ZV-E10 recently. We used it and a Fuji X-T3 as BtS caneras and, oh man, did the five years old Fuji blow the Sony out of the water. There wasnt even a comparison to be made.
If you are just starting out and looking for a hybrid camera the Panasonic s5ii would be miles better than the ZV-E1, specially if you want to take photographs & shoot long videos. Even though the s5ii can't match ZV-E1's 4k 120 fps, I really wish the 4k 60 was uncropped. On the other hand, the ZV-E1 is a fantastic video camera for travelling, content creation, vlogging & short video clips here & there. Definitely aimed towards different users.
right - both great, but for different uses
So nice to see Jordan in front of the camera instead of that other guy 😂 Great review!
I'm glad these two boys found a new home :)
Great to see you guys back, lesgo!
I think S5 II is more of a competition to A7 IV and not ZV-E1. I still enjoyed watching the video.
Thank god you guys found a new home! As a fellow Calgarian, I loved seeing our local environments. Oh and you guys too, I love you guys......but mostly just Calgary!
The autofocus dance is amazing
Not sure how many other people noticed this too but I really liked on the old channel where the thumbnails have the video title too which made it easier to find the videos in my subscription feed
S5IIX certainly wins for aesthetics. That camera looks awesome.
I totally agree. Panasonic's designs have always been solid, since the FZ-10 & FZ-20.
The Pana is so superior that a comparison does not really make sense. The only thing I like about the Sony: it got the advanced AF that my Sony flagship a1 does not get. Because relevant firmware updates for Sonys involve buying a new body. On this note: my old G9 gets more firmware updates than my a1. 👆
Glad to see yall back 👍
Great to see you both back on a new channel.👍😊🇮🇪🇨🇦
And..... SUBBED! Great to see you here Jordan & Chris!!!
It's an absolute no brainer. I haven't used the S5ii X but I've used S5ii and a7s3 and I'd pick the S5ii X anyday over even the a7s3.
Too bad IBIS section was so brief. Should have mentioned that Sony is likely to need a gimbal which will add to the weight significantly.
“They're both good! Everything is good! Buy all the things!” So this is life in the PetaPixel era…
Good to see that your still using the Noct weight comparison! Besides that I couldn't wait for its release, the battery life is one reason I have an S5II and didn't order the X. Since you need to use an SSD to get the best recording options, you can't use the USB-C port for powering the camera with a PD battery and use an SSD at the same time. When I am recording, I often do 5-6 hour shoots and hearing the battery life is just over an hour is disappointing. How did you test the battery life though? Did you start recording and leave it until the battery died? Or some other way? That would be useful to know.
If that battery life is true for normal shooting you would need quite a few batteries to do an all day shoot whereas with one USB-C battery on the S5II, I can record and take photos for as long as I need without having to swap batteries by powering the camera and charging the internal battery from it and still have lots of battery life left at the end of the day on a large capacity PD battery. the X should have had 2 USB-C ports and one for USB-C batteries if you are meant to use an SSD with it.
hey buddy, what quality does the s52 record internally - which the s52x doesn't record. what quality ONLY on SSD in S52x?
ZV-E1 is for the vlogger with too much cash lying around, whereas S5 II is for the guy with a bit of brain to opt for a hybrid with option to take better photos than ZV-E1
I don’t know if wedding video, videoclip, corpo video are considered vlogging, but for these jobs, I traded my 2x s5iix for 1x zv-e1, and 1x a7cII (If I need more photo capabilities) and I have no regrets. I am in Canada, and I worked with the zv-e1 at 35C in summer, at 0C in winter, in light rain, and no problem…
My guess is in terms of Auto Focus, the Panasonic is only a firmware or two update away from putting it on par with the SONY to where that will be a draw.
Lumix S5ii X and Fuji XH2s, which one is a better deal?
I thought Panasonic had the best preamps. What makes Sony audio better?
Wow that shot of Chris with the leaves was fantastic!
When talking about image quality isn't there a moire issue with the Panasonic coming from it being sharper which may be why I think Sony uses lower megapixels for a more pleasing and result.
Then right after this the other guy made a comment that the Panasonic is a winner for photography. But again that makes it a loser for video if it's going to ruin the image with moire. Sure you might be able to compensate with a filter but then you'll lose focus.
Still happy with my R6mkII. I wanted 4K60p without a crop and it still doesn't overheat too quickly.
I know it’s in a different market segment but for RUclips content the ZV1 or E10 seem to make more sense than the E1 or am I missing something?!
Some people want full frame either because well they want it or they have many ff lenses anyway and the extra cost doesn't bother them. The bigger (real) battery, way better AF and that lovely sensor help.
@@scb2scb2 sure, I’m sure they r done they’re research but the simplified menu suggest it’s aimed at the less techy content creator types but the price point suggests otherwise.
For most the ZV1 produces good images, let alone the APSC in the E10. Going full frame in the E1 but with only 12mp just seems an odd mix. Great for low light and fast pans etc but the image detail might be lacking.
I guess everyone’s different but I’d rather have a faster reading, hires apsc sensor than a massive ‘see in the dark sensor’ but at relatively low res.
10bit is a lovely upgrade mind you.
@@BikingChap The menu is really not that much simpler than say my A1. My guess is they and i think correctly feel there are enough content makers that work alone but do have the cash to get this and make it work for them some of the newer features do help to film alone or quicker and i am sure they will extend on these ideas. Also sony released like 3 or 4 vlogger cameras/creator cameras now so partly its also just seeing what works and sells.
@@scb2scb2 yup fair point, just because it doesn’t quite add up for me doesn’t mean that those much bigger creators wouldn’t see the advantages. 👍
One question. In comparing battery life, did you base the life span on leaving the camera ON the whole time? Or did you ever turn off the camera when you weren't filming? For me, I don't leave the camera on if I know I'm going to stop or take a break from filming. Great content, guys. Glad you're still around doing reviews.
Also the Panasonic is slow to boot up.
@@Minsetti Maybe they can improve that with firmware.
I really wish Panasonic would figure out a way to let S1H & BS1H users get some of the new features, especially the recording to SSDs
Chris has really perfected his video autofocus dance.
using the Panasonic in high res mode to shoot fine detail up very close which lens would you recommend
The Sigma 105mm f/2.8 ART macro.
@@Ildskalli thank you so much !
The Panasonic 24-105 also has very decent close focusing and 1:2 macro. Plus you get dual stabilization.
@@janwedek thank you!
Amazing! Yes! Give Me Danger! You’re A Star!
Great video comparison! I’ve seen other channels talk about significant recording limitations on the Sony due to overheating. Did you experience that at all in your usage? The S5iiX has the built in fan so presumably no issue?
While not as "x"... I'd be curious how you consider the value of the new Fuji xh20 in comparison. Thanks
The Fuji XH2s would have been a interresting comparison. It has dropped in price a bit, so I was able to pick it up for a similar price to these two cameras. With the stacked sensor I can get the detail of the S5 without the rolling shutter drawbacks. (Would also be interrresting to see quality comparison inbetween APS-C and FF. But I have heard reports that the fuji DR is incredibely good and very close to the A7sIII, and a speedbooster will fix any potential low light drawbacks...)
I have an Xh2s and personally it’s just a fun camera to use, dynamic range in Flog 2, the film simulations, it’s just a fun camera that can do incredible things and I’ve never noticed the rolling shutter, just an incredible camera to use, also shot my feature on it too! Beast of a camera
And the new Fuji 1.4 lens are sharp as a knife!
and the award for the fastest chattering youtuber in the world goes to: petapixel!
Excellent review! Did you notice moire patterns on the s5ii due to the lack of AA filter to the sensor?And if so is it going to be a problem on professional work?
PANASONIC : PLEASE add a "shutter angle only" LOCKING OPTION in the Controls Lock Option menu. We ALL NEED it, and it just make all the sense in the world. Thank you!
Hi, loving your new chanel! Is a review of the Lenses
Samyang AF 35-150mm F2-2.8 FE
Planned? Im surprised very little info is out ther for this lens that could be a gamechanger... Thanks and good luck!
i personally am getting the Panasonic S5, because i think at it's price point it's the best camera for video, lemme know if you agree
S5iix
2 different types of creators, 2 different cameras
Horses for courses.
So nice to see you like nothing happened !!!
At 7:12 the best autofocusing test is Chris's Jazz Hands.
You know, if you a creator and shoot mainly for RUclips , think about this. This guys shoot video like 10 years or so, the footage quality in the past 5 did not change much for me as a viewer. No matter what body they use. Buy by battery and ergos first.
haha. OMG, your videos are so funny and so positive. I just finished watching a Jared Polin review for the Z8, for the first time after years away from his channel, and it was difficult to get through. While obviously incredibly smart, Jared appears to have an obligation and agreement with Canon to avoid saying anything overly positive about any other brand. It's tough listening to a review when you can hear the constant bias that taints the entire review. A person's sour attitude can rub off on the audience, even when it's totally irrational. So I really appreciate you guys being non-biased, and not having an obligation to push Canon products.
Great video. And I just received my zV-E1 2 days ago, did you find out if you shot log with embedded LUTs on it, and with “show LUT”, then yes LUT color is on the video when looking at the screen on camera. however when download to computer, it’s still only a plain log video file with no LUT burned in it. 😓😵
And when google with Sony Menu, that’s what it said
“
[Embed LUT File] is locked to [Off] when using SD cards or SDHC cards.”
Then ZV-E1 is only with 1 SD card slot, what does it mean?
Anybody successfully have the log with embed LUT and still showing in Computer?
I got a zve1. So far so good. I’m a total noob though so I really don’t know. I just wanted the cheapest Sony full frame video camera because I didn’t want to pony up for the a7siii or the fx3.
The comparison I've been waiting for 😎
could upi do a review of arri alexa vs sony zv-e10? i cant decide?
Overheating problem is huge topic for pro user !!
Great video. I think in the next month I will order the Lumix
Hello. Would you plz make a comparison about samyang 35-150 vs Gm, 70-200 mark ii?? Plz 🎉
I’m disappointed that the overheating issues w/ the EV-1 didn’t come up. 30 minutes of 4k before shutting down is unusable for any workflow I can imagine
For someone (photographer) who wants to start in videography to make his job in and wants to choose a video-focussed camera to also stay in that ecosystem. Panasonic or sony in this case?
Great review. Which Sony model has the stamina of 'Lumix' in terms of non heating continious reliablity (in warmer countries). as in the past we had some issues with Sony getting really hot in long concert recording. I am thinking Sony will struggle against the propsed GH7 (with full HDMI, waveform, 2 SD cards and better recovery from over/ under exposure). for instance the A7r5 did not have good DR.
Depend on work flow
I do both photo and video
I picked Panasonic S5IIX
I wish with latest firmware Panasonic can shoot 4k with 60fps and 120fps
Before Panasonic I was a Canon Shooter
Canon 5D Mark IV and Canon R6
7:20 great example of smooth transition
I want to like the S5 IIX. But the problem of very limited pro lens selection is a MAJOR problem. I feel reviewers don't give this issue enough exposure. Maybe they don't because its not something that can be fixed in weeks or months. Heck it'll probably take years to rectify. And how long has the S mount beeen out? I was looking at native S mount lenses on Panasonic's website and got sorely dissapointed. They have the bare minimum you would call professional. Also their designs and image quatlity also don't appear to be anywhere near Sony's G Master lenses. Panasonic have active cooling for the price range and an excellent UI as well as remote control phone app. It just feels so good in the hands and in operation. But I think the IQ is just not on par with Sony due to lens quality.
L mount, LUMIX S5 uses L mount, you have LUMIX, sigma and Leica glass. Also plenty of adapters for other mounts. (I think DJI also joined L mount)
@@mylo4060 Yea I meant L mount. And I mean native Panasonic glass. Took a look at Panasonic glass and its just too limited. Also Sigma is too heavy compared to modern Sony GM designs and don't even come close to image quality. Both Sigma and Leica designs are older and not suitable for video work. I very much prefer Sony's designs... 1 mount to rule them all. Don't underestimate the importance of high quality lenses suitable for both photo and video. So I guess I'll keep using Sony and give Panasonic at least another few years to even out the lens lineup.
@@dyong888 I see what you mean, now that I think about it is quite weird that the bodies are so vídeo feature heavy and not the lenses selection. I not experience with video, I actually purchased the Panasonic s5 II( non X) and want to start with video. Sony is amazing but the value of the Panasonic was unbeatable( in my particular case)
@@mylo4060 I see. Glad u see the point.
Haven't watched all the way through but I'm pre-voting for the X. I just can't jam with the E1 and I am a total Sony knob gobbler.
Can we plug them on power supply while filming? Or it's battery only ?
When Panasonic wins a category Jordan says I have to give it to Panasonic, when Sony wins , Jordan says the winner is Sony, think about that the next time
Which one is best for Point and Shoot + Cinematic Picture Quality >> Sony ZV-E1 vs Fujifilm X100V ?
Dang bro, the new content is SUCCINCT
That 8-bit intro reminds me of Nintendo and Mega Man👊😎
That was the idea.
They’re back!!!
S5IIX has streaming modes too
Looks like time to upgrade from S5 OG to the S5IIx, the Phase Detect autofocus is the best upgrade from an already good hybrid! S5 was already really good at photo and video if you manually focused ...
I guess PetaPixel didn't hire Gordon ... 😉
Best intro ever!
I use the EVF alot. Really gives the best handling when it is fast paced.