@@scottslotterbeck3796 Jordon's evil twin brother. Its a joke in some of the Dpreview videos he shows up. They do a camera stick and split the video and Jordon plays Gordon. He's a Hollywood filmmaker and only uses the best of the best gear and looks down on other nerds and Jordon who is more down to Earth filmmaker.
We don't want to lock every operation.. we still need to change many settings while shooting. We want to have the option to lock the Shutter Angle ONLY so we can keep it at 180 degree all the time without changing the value by mistake.. shoot the whole time and realize that all the footage may be unusable because the motion blur is wrong.
@8kisok703 Since when?! To my knowledge, it’s like the original S5 and others.. it’s an "Operation Lock" that locks every operation.. no way to lock the Shutter Speed only. If the option is truly there, then nobody seem to know it since i’m not the only one whinning about that.
That's a hot topic. Joking aside they should have mentioned the Sony heat issues but I think with the start of the new channel they're concentrating on the positive.
@@frostgodx The way the game is played if they're too negative they won't get prerelease cameras to review. Instead bashing a camera they'll leave out unfavorable aspects. Chis and Jordan are pretty fair so I can't be too hard on them. The omission is probably mostly to do this was a fairly short review of two cameras. Before making a larger purchase the buyer needs to watch/read as many different sources as possible to catch stuff like over heating.
The S5 IIX has a better build quality and won't overheat also. You can use it anywhere. For the price, it's a much better deal than the Sony, even if the autofocus is slightly better and it has all the AI features. Panasonic did a better job at this price. If you are an amateur, you get a professional weapon that will last, you will grow with it.
I would like to use this to make tutorials and youtube videos, with the highest image quality possible. I'd also like to start getting into photography. Would this be the right choice? I like the idea of growing into the tool.
@@atticusakelly If you need photography, the 24 MP sensor on the S5ii is just better, zero competition. However, if you like 4k60 (no crop) and 4k120 (some crop, S5ii doesnt even do 4k120 at all), then go for the ZVE1. If you just need 4k24 or 4k30, and you're sure about that, then go with the S5ii. S5ii has great 4k60, but it IS cropped into 1.5x, so it makes framing annoying.
@@atticusakelly I have the original S5 but I know most specs of the S5ii series. The 4K30 and 25 are full frame no crop, full width. You can choose to do a APSC crop on 4K30 and 25 if you want, but you don’t have to. For 4K60 fps you are forced into APSC.
I'm a Sony user, I have lots of lenses, buy that new s5m2x dammmm it looks good, for the money it's just a much better option than anything Sony for that price
ZV-E1 is for the vlogger with too much cash lying around, whereas S5 II is for the guy with a bit of brain to opt for a hybrid with option to take better photos than ZV-E1
There definitely should also be a price comparison to the Noct-not only weight. Like what fraction of the Noct a camera's price is. This will make it a holistic comparison 🤗
hahaha that's a nice one , we should consider the (barrel) which is equal to 80mil of Walter White's money that he put in barrels to hide in the desert since both Chris and Gordan are a big movie buffs
I just can’t get there with the ZV-E1 … it’s a camera made for basically no one. At $2200 it’s not aimed at a beginners price point, but lacks a bunch of the features nearly all professionals would need (custom buttons and heat dissipation as an example). I’m a Sony shooter, but this camera was a massive swing and a miss. It’s pretty obvious that the S5IIX is the far better offering at the price point. Open gate recording is huge for someone like myself who works primarily with social media influencers who need 16x9 and 9x16 videos extracted from the footage we shoot. Not to mention Blackmagic RAW, as a Davinci user that’s huge. For the first time since I started shooting sony I’m tempted to buy a camera outside of the Sony ecosystem.
@@richrollin4867 Yep. From my point of view - If you want a great image right out of the gate no matter how much of a noob you are, you get the ZV-E1. If you want to spend time with RAW and rigging up your camera, you get the S5IIX. He mentions liking the sharper image from the S5II better but some of these S5II videos are just hard to watch compared to A7SIII, FX3, ZV-E1 stuff. Even the FX6 uses the same sensor.
It's a real shame you rushed through stabe and audio, and didn't mention overheating. All super important factors. I'm not super familiar with the Sony's audio specs but wouldn't the Pannyboy win out just for having a four-channel option, better preamps, and going all the way down to -18db? I get the desire to keep the videos a reasonable length, but we're here for your analysis first, a minute spent on these factors would have been well worth it.
@@Clickumentary I'm glad he branched out to nature videography 😊 I bet if he had the 150-600 to use with S5IIx it may have beat out his A7SIII for nature video....
The S5 IIX sounds like an ideal camera. Now, Panasonic needs to bring phase-detect to Micro Four Thirds for me while still bringing great video features.
definitely the canon r8, but in this case the Lumix is for me. tried the zv-e1 for about a month and that was horrible for photography. and the mic for vlogging is not that good either. low light video is grainy as well. too expensive
The Pana is so superior that a comparison does not really make sense. The only thing I like about the Sony: it got the advanced AF that my Sony flagship a1 does not get. Because relevant firmware updates for Sonys involve buying a new body. On this note: my old G9 gets more firmware updates than my a1. 👆
I want a G-series camera with the S5II/X PDAF tech with the Micro4/3 benefits, so faster readout, no cropping, better slowmo, save the extra video stuff and a new sensor for the GH7.
When Panasonic wins a category Jordan says I have to give it to Panasonic, when Sony wins , Jordan says the winner is Sony, think about that the next time
If the GH7 comes out with phase detect AF then they've got the backpacker/hiker market (assuming they've also got weather sealed lenses with it.) But as that isn't really a thing, the S5iix wins in my book due to the sealing, EVF and open gate modes. Just need to pickup an appropriate lens for it. The sony is nice but I don't want the camera to die while I'm in the middle of nowhere for several days/weeks.
Gh7 would,need to be back to MFT roots….around 500 grams and small (max around OM5 or slightly bigger) to get hiker market. G9 for example to large. It would be nice!
As long as you carry 40 Panasonic batteries, you can record 40 minutes of footage. How crap of a camera company must you be to still not know how to make a battery?
The E mount lens ecosystem is a huge advantage for Sony in my mind. I've used Panasonic GHs for quite a while but was about to switch to Sony. But the good enough AF and other features of the S5ii X versus what are big negatives for me with the ZV-E1/FX30 (no EVF, microHDMI, impaired features like shutter angle and no waveform, etc) is getting me to move to the L mount system. Sony's color has improved to my eyes, but I still prefer what I can get with V Log.
I’m disappointed that the overheating issues w/ the EV-1 didn’t come up. 30 minutes of 4k before shutting down is unusable for any workflow I can imagine
if your worried about pulling the s5iix out and messing up your settings you have on it if you re map the front button to operation lock it allows you to lock all of the settings to what they are and simply just press it again to unlock. it has saved me so many times on the s5ii
I'm kind of hoping that Panasonic doesn't abandon MFT and gives us a MFT GH7, or a successor to the G99/95 series. I think Panasonic could definitely benefit especially from making an entry level G99/95 successor with retro aesthetics. Would love to see it.
PANASONIC need to improve their lens selection quickly I'm getting tired of waiting for more lens options like 24/35-150 f2-f2.8 if Lumix had this lens man I would never consider switching PANASONIC NEED TO LISTEN TO ITS USERS we need lenses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sony… give the people GOOD DISPLAYS. This is a vlogging camera and the display sucks? I worked with the 7aiii for some years and the display is garbage. It’s really pathetic how they skimp out on this very important part.
ZV-E1 is mostly useless with its lack of heat sinks , only people who should consider it are business owners that need product shots in poor lightning conditions to be sent for editing externally, its a floor model throughout. for anybody else who do video the S5 IIX is the right choice.
In my view S5IIx is not a creator cam, not in the sens if you think about vlogging. Whit its body type and EVF etc. The ZV-E1 is lighter and more compact. The S5IIx is rather a photographer videographer gear who helps creating content, not for a one man army.
The video felt rushed, wish it was longer and slower paced. You guys are enjoyable to watch, but less so when you're talking like auctioneers. What's the big rush? 🙂
If you are just starting out and looking for a hybrid camera the Panasonic s5ii would be miles better than the ZV-E1, specially if you want to take photographs & shoot long videos. Even though the s5ii can't match ZV-E1's 4k 120 fps, I really wish the 4k 60 was uncropped. On the other hand, the ZV-E1 is a fantastic video camera for travelling, content creation, vlogging & short video clips here & there. Definitely aimed towards different users.
I can put the ZVE1 with the Sony G 24mm in my pocket, and it has better in built mic for a stripped down system. It also has the best autofocus. The S5ii is a brilliant camera, but different customer. I think with the dynamic active they effectively use the clear Image zoom so I’m not convinced it loses that much quality, noticeable that is.
What about the overheating comparasion, or is the the Sony zv e1 overheats quickly? How low can it be usable for filming in 4k 24p in a hot environment, or summer?
PANASONIC : PLEASE add a "shutter angle only" LOCKING OPTION in the Controls Lock Option menu. We ALL NEED it, and it just make all the sense in the world. Thank you!
Sony ZV-E1 can overheat while recording 4k, has single sd card slot, worse raw detail, slightly worse video but better auto focus. So it's a trade on what you care. I believe for such a high price ZV-E1 should have 2 sd slots and have better heat management system, not to mention have more than 12 MP.
Good to see that your still using the Noct weight comparison! Besides that I couldn't wait for its release, the battery life is one reason I have an S5II and didn't order the X. Since you need to use an SSD to get the best recording options, you can't use the USB-C port for powering the camera with a PD battery and use an SSD at the same time. When I am recording, I often do 5-6 hour shoots and hearing the battery life is just over an hour is disappointing. How did you test the battery life though? Did you start recording and leave it until the battery died? Or some other way? That would be useful to know. If that battery life is true for normal shooting you would need quite a few batteries to do an all day shoot whereas with one USB-C battery on the S5II, I can record and take photos for as long as I need without having to swap batteries by powering the camera and charging the internal battery from it and still have lots of battery life left at the end of the day on a large capacity PD battery. the X should have had 2 USB-C ports and one for USB-C batteries if you are meant to use an SSD with it.
These 2 cameras couldn't be more opposite guys. The S5 IIX is going against real Sony creators cameras, not a vloggers special. Though the ZV-E1 is kind of cool given it's intent. You cannot kit it out easily with XLR audio for instance like the S5 IIX. The S5 IIX is the holy grail for anyone looking at video, and not totally killing their budget. Anyone who starts with the ZV-E1 will be a B camera before they know it. They will at least get an FX if not an a7 video centric camera anyway if they are in the E mount system. If they are starting new, and creation really IS their Jam, the Panny S5 IIX has so much right, and really very much bandwidth for growth. Sony has been handed their lunch with the S5 IIX. And I am both a Sony and Panny fanboy. Canon too by the way.
Between these 2, panasonic is better. I wouldnt dare to abandon sony or canon eco system if i was invested in them. Sony made a7s3 which absolutely destroyed the market. Now years later they use that same sensor in smaller more affordable bodies. Now competition is catching up. I think either canon or sony or both will bring a new camera that destorys everything else. I think investing in Nikon is better than investing in Panasonic. Z9 or Z8 are probably best bang for buck hybrids on the market right now.
There is no overheating issues with the S5 II / X since it has an amazing fan system which let's you record unlimited. From watching other reviews, the ZV-E1 overheats a crap ton.
@@fofophoDo you own and use the zve1? I live in South Florida and my zve1 is completely useable for me. If I’m doing long format shooting I use my a7siii (which doesn’t over heat at all). But the zve1 will shoot 4k30 for 30 min and 4k60 for 15-20 mins in the sun at 90 deg f.
@@CAMTechChris people who post and complains about ZVE1 are non ZVE1 owners and are just parroting what those reviewers complains about. By having overheating and HDMI-Type D as the main issue for a camera of this size, I think Sony made a pretty good trade off.
If Panasonic can Get the price of l mount lenses down Lumix S series is kinda best bang for the buck in market. rn the fact almost every lens cost just as kuch as the body makes it hard to pull the trigger on a lens when that same lens its literally $300-500 cheaper on a different mount. Honesty i would say if have lumix get the ef adapter csuse its just rediculos to spend alot more for the same lens. Also thw lack of 3rd party lens manufacturers is also hurting them there isn't alot of choice for lenes and Panasonic dont seem to be in any rush to release more affordable lenses.
I want a zv-e1x black on black ! but really as a A1 (among others) owner i added the zv-e1 for backup and because its small its a compromise but i am willing to make it. What i do hope is that people see the interesting things sony is doing in the area of mic control, auto-framing and some of the other tricks they are adding its a start of something that can become very interesting it needs some tuning but it does work kind in many cases.
You know, if you a creator and shoot mainly for RUclips , think about this. This guys shoot video like 10 years or so, the footage quality in the past 5 did not change much for me as a viewer. No matter what body they use. Buy by battery and ergos first.
My guess is in terms of Auto Focus, the Panasonic is only a firmware or two update away from putting it on par with the SONY to where that will be a draw.
When talking about image quality isn't there a moire issue with the Panasonic coming from it being sharper which may be why I think Sony uses lower megapixels for a more pleasing and result.
Then right after this the other guy made a comment that the Panasonic is a winner for photography. But again that makes it a loser for video if it's going to ruin the image with moire. Sure you might be able to compensate with a filter but then you'll lose focus.
Great to see the ZV-E1 holding its own. I had some bad experiences with the ZV-E10 recently. We used it and a Fuji X-T3 as BtS caneras and, oh man, did the five years old Fuji blow the Sony out of the water. There wasnt even a comparison to be made.
So I'll post the two big negatives the 'influencers' won't: 1. S5ii X = No OLPF filter, hence not a 'cinema' camera (like Netflix approved) since moire pattern is exaggerated. 2. Sony ZV E1 = Overheating makes it useless.
With all due respect very political, I want help my audience but I don’t want hurt the camera brand. If they are for different people and applications they shouldn’t be compared, because you either going to be unfair or what you just did.
I got a zve1. So far so good. I’m a total noob though so I really don’t know. I just wanted the cheapest Sony full frame video camera because I didn’t want to pony up for the a7siii or the fx3.
Me no Leica. The whole Nikon, Canon, Panasonic, Fuji, and Sony lineup of cameras is ugly, bulky, ultra-similar, and utterly BORING! Why can't anyone else but the Swedes come up with a camera that is truly beautiful to look at in addition to being minimalistic and fully functional - like the Hasselblads?!
Unless you're very ghey get the Panasonic this has always been the case. Just steer clear of Sony in general unless very ghey.If you like good image quality get Panasonic. If you enjoy shitty pixilated video get a sony camera like A7IIIS.
Gordon said these cameras are junk and he said just buy a Arri Alexa.
Whose Gordon?
@@scottslotterbeck3796 who you?
@@scottslotterbeck3796 Jordon's evil twin brother. Its a joke in some of the Dpreview videos he shows up. They do a camera stick and split the video and Jordon plays Gordon. He's a Hollywood filmmaker and only uses the best of the best gear and looks down on other nerds and Jordon who is more down to Earth filmmaker.
Gordon also said his Master Primes weigh more than a noct and Jordan should stop implying it's a lot. Real lenses have chonky bodies
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The S5 has an operation lock in the menus. You can set it to a function button for a quick lock on the wheels
Thanks :D
We don't want to lock every operation.. we still need to change many settings while shooting. We want to have the option to lock the Shutter Angle ONLY so we can keep it at 180 degree all the time without changing the value by mistake.. shoot the whole time and realize that all the footage may be unusable because the motion blur is wrong.
@8kisok703 Since when?! To my knowledge, it’s like the original S5 and others.. it’s an "Operation Lock" that locks every operation.. no way to lock the Shutter Speed only. If the option is truly there, then nobody seem to know it since i’m not the only one whinning about that.
@@davidmultimedia2024угол затвора можно отдельно блокировать. Не придумывайте ерунду
I’m sort of surprised that you didn’t cover overheating
That's a hot topic. Joking aside they should have mentioned the Sony heat issues but I think with the start of the new channel they're concentrating on the positive.
That was covered elsewhere.
@@petercofrancesco9812 kind of bogus
@@frostgodx The way the game is played if they're too negative they won't get prerelease cameras to review. Instead bashing a camera they'll leave out unfavorable aspects. Chis and Jordan are pretty fair so I can't be too hard on them. The omission is probably mostly to do this was a fairly short review of two cameras. Before making a larger purchase the buyer needs to watch/read as many different sources as possible to catch stuff like over heating.
Glad the Noct has made the transition as standard weight unit
The S5 IIX has a better build quality and won't overheat also. You can use it anywhere. For the price, it's a much better deal than the Sony, even if the autofocus is slightly better and it has all the AI features. Panasonic did a better job at this price. If you are an amateur, you get a professional weapon that will last, you will grow with it.
Thank u for sharing ur opinion on the comparison. Just what I was looking
I would like to use this to make tutorials and youtube videos, with the highest image quality possible. I'd also like to start getting into photography. Would this be the right choice? I like the idea of growing into the tool.
@@atticusakelly If you need photography, the 24 MP sensor on the S5ii is just better, zero competition. However, if you like 4k60 (no crop) and 4k120 (some crop, S5ii doesnt even do 4k120 at all), then go for the ZVE1. If you just need 4k24 or 4k30, and you're sure about that, then go with the S5ii. S5ii has great 4k60, but it IS cropped into 1.5x, so it makes framing annoying.
@@thatsreallyamoon thank you, is the 4k25 or 4k30 cropped? I appreciate your response!
@@atticusakelly I have the original S5 but I know most specs of the S5ii series. The 4K30 and 25 are full frame no crop, full width. You can choose to do a APSC crop on 4K30 and 25 if you want, but you don’t have to. For 4K60 fps you are forced into APSC.
I'm a Sony user, I have lots of lenses, buy that new s5m2x dammmm it looks good, for the money it's just a much better option than anything Sony for that price
The 4k/60 crop on the S5II is still a bummer. Otherwise its exactly the camera I want.
and the stupid af
ZV-E1 is for the vlogger with too much cash lying around, whereas S5 II is for the guy with a bit of brain to opt for a hybrid with option to take better photos than ZV-E1
What is wrong with camera manufacturers with their low res main display? What are they smoking? Sony fitted a smartphone with a 4K screen. 🤦🏻♂️
There definitely should also be a price comparison to the Noct-not only weight. Like what fraction of the Noct a camera's price is. This will make it a holistic comparison 🤗
hahaha that's a nice one , we should consider the (barrel) which is equal to 80mil of Walter White's money that he put in barrels to hide in the desert since both Chris and Gordan are a big movie buffs
Excellent suggestion
No mention of overheating/record times? Some users are reporting that the ZV-E1 is quite poor in that regard.
How can he know that? He lives in Canada!
Some users who own it have no issues. Real simple. Are you doing really long clips?
Mine overheated using it in webcam mode (720p) 30min standby then 15 streaming then off 70 deg room temp :(
@@ryanreyes5440 Yes terrible camera for streaming. Get a much cheaper FX30
@@vlcheishony camera is marketed for vloggers. So the answer to your question is yes.
I still can't believe a company like Sony can't hire a freshly graduated UX designer or the like to make a better menu....shocking.
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It looks like Ceefax
I just can’t get there with the ZV-E1 … it’s a camera made for basically no one.
At $2200 it’s not aimed at a beginners price point, but lacks a bunch of the features nearly all professionals would need (custom buttons and heat dissipation as an example).
I’m a Sony shooter, but this camera was a massive swing and a miss. It’s pretty obvious that the S5IIX is the far better offering at the price point. Open gate recording is huge for someone like myself who works primarily with social media influencers who need 16x9 and 9x16 videos extracted from the footage we shoot. Not to mention Blackmagic RAW, as a Davinci user that’s huge. For the first time since I started shooting sony I’m tempted to buy a camera outside of the Sony ecosystem.
Yeah, I'd take an FX30 any day over it. The sensor size penalty is negated by pretty much everything else being massively better on the FX.
@@richrollin4867 Yep. From my point of view - If you want a great image right out of the gate no matter how much of a noob you are, you get the ZV-E1. If you want to spend time with RAW and rigging up your camera, you get the S5IIX. He mentions liking the sharper image from the S5II better but some of these S5II videos are just hard to watch compared to A7SIII, FX3, ZV-E1 stuff. Even the FX6 uses the same sensor.
Wait it's 2200?!
Just buy a Blackmagic or Sony FX30.
2 different types of creators, 2 different cameras
Horses for courses.
I was going to make a much worse version of this video in about a month.
It's a real shame you rushed through stabe and audio, and didn't mention overheating. All super important factors.
I'm not super familiar with the Sony's audio specs but wouldn't the Pannyboy win out just for having a four-channel option, better preamps, and going all the way down to -18db?
I get the desire to keep the videos a reasonable length, but we're here for your analysis first, a minute spent on these factors would have been well worth it.
hahaha i too call it the pannyboy am not sure if its kasey from CC or was it already the slang before him 😂
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@@reemalhadrami5274 pannyboy + "stabe" are Kasey calling cards
@@Clickumentary I'm glad he branched out to nature videography 😊 I bet if he had the 150-600 to use with S5IIx it may have beat out his A7SIII for nature video....
The S5 IIX sounds like an ideal camera.
Now, Panasonic needs to bring phase-detect to Micro Four Thirds for me while still bringing great video features.
definitely the canon r8, but in this case the Lumix is for me. tried the zv-e1 for about a month and that was horrible for photography. and the mic for vlogging is not that good either. low light video is grainy as well. too expensive
The Pana is so superior that a comparison does not really make sense. The only thing I like about the Sony: it got the advanced AF that my Sony flagship a1 does not get. Because relevant firmware updates for Sonys involve buying a new body. On this note: my old G9 gets more firmware updates than my a1. 👆
Another fun and informative video! Never change, guys!
I guess PetaPixel didn't hire Gordon ... 😉
You are being too gentle on the Sony…
If only the Sony had the viewfinder :c
It has. It's called the A7S3
@@Dexxter_slav A7SIII AF lacks, also the new features are top notch.
I want a G-series camera with the S5II/X PDAF tech with the Micro4/3 benefits, so faster readout, no cropping, better slowmo, save the extra video stuff and a new sensor for the GH7.
I thought Panasonic had the best preamps. What makes Sony audio better?
Yay! Jordan and Chris on Petapixel!
When Panasonic wins a category Jordan says I have to give it to Panasonic, when Sony wins , Jordan says the winner is Sony, think about that the next time
If the GH7 comes out with phase detect AF then they've got the backpacker/hiker market (assuming they've also got weather sealed lenses with it.)
But as that isn't really a thing, the S5iix wins in my book due to the sealing, EVF and open gate modes. Just need to pickup an appropriate lens for it.
The sony is nice but I don't want the camera to die while I'm in the middle of nowhere for several days/weeks.
Gh7 would,need to be back to MFT roots….around 500 grams and small (max around OM5 or slightly bigger) to get hiker market. G9 for example to large. It would be nice!
@@gordon3988 GH is never going back to that.
@@POVwithRC agreed. That market will likely remain with OM.
@@gordon3988 I'm not really sure that Olympus has the majority of the hiking/backpacking market.
As long as you carry 40 Panasonic batteries, you can record 40 minutes of footage. How crap of a camera company must you be to still not know how to make a battery?
I think S5 II is more of a competition to A7 IV and not ZV-E1. I still enjoyed watching the video.
The E mount lens ecosystem is a huge advantage for Sony in my mind. I've used Panasonic GHs for quite a while but was about to switch to Sony. But the good enough AF and other features of the S5ii X versus what are big negatives for me with the ZV-E1/FX30 (no EVF, microHDMI, impaired features like shutter angle and no waveform, etc) is getting me to move to the L mount system. Sony's color has improved to my eyes, but I still prefer what I can get with V Log.
True E Mount has more options but L Mount has come a long way with Sigma’s offerings too. If you’re a prime shooter the Panasonic f1.8 series is great
FX30 has full-size HDMI
I’m disappointed that the overheating issues w/ the EV-1 didn’t come up. 30 minutes of 4k before shutting down is unusable for any workflow I can imagine
Excellent coverage as usual, good to see Chris in a supporting role… Keep the contact coming you need to flood your channel with stuff.
The Panasonic S5ii would be the best buy, but I don’t lug around large cameras, so practically the best for me is the Sony, despite its limitations.
if your worried about pulling the s5iix out and messing up your settings you have on it if you re map the front button to operation lock it allows you to lock all of the settings to what they are and simply just press it again to unlock. it has saved me so many times on the s5ii
I'm kind of hoping that Panasonic doesn't abandon MFT and gives us a MFT GH7, or a successor to the G99/95 series. I think Panasonic could definitely benefit especially from making an entry level G99/95 successor with retro aesthetics. Would love to see it.
I’m hoping they also make more smaller bodies like a gx10 , it’d be pretty rad.
@@martpalamine7040 LX100 III?
MFT definitely still has a place and with the improved autofocus can really be a great thing. MFT has a good lens mount catalog
Can't wait for a follow up to the G9, and hope they continue the GX line too
I’d happily take a follow up to the G9 there is a reason they haven’t updated it yet….still keeps up with today’s cameras
PANASONIC need to improve their lens selection quickly I'm getting tired of waiting for more lens options like 24/35-150 f2-f2.8 if Lumix had this lens man I would never consider switching PANASONIC NEED TO LISTEN TO ITS USERS we need lenses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Too bad IBIS section was so brief. Should have mentioned that Sony is likely to need a gimbal which will add to the weight significantly.
What did Chris eat for lunch??? He is kinda peppy…
I think you missed out recording times before overheating. These cameras have very different abilities in that category.
Haven't watched all the way through but I'm pre-voting for the X. I just can't jam with the E1 and I am a total Sony knob gobbler.
Sony… give the people GOOD DISPLAYS. This is a vlogging camera and the display sucks? I worked with the 7aiii for some years and the display is garbage.
It’s really pathetic how they skimp out on this very important part.
ZV-E1 is mostly useless with its lack of heat sinks , only people who should consider it are business owners that need product shots in poor lightning conditions to be sent for editing externally, its a floor model throughout.
for anybody else who do video the S5 IIX is the right choice.
In my view S5IIx is not a creator cam, not in the sens if you think about vlogging. Whit its body type and EVF etc. The ZV-E1 is lighter and more compact. The S5IIx is rather a photographer videographer gear who helps creating content, not for a one man army.
s5ii and s5iix bad for 1080 50/60p. no PDAF. auto focus same the s5 and others..
4k crop 1.5 50/60p.
It's an absolute no brainer. I haven't used the S5ii X but I've used S5ii and a7s3 and I'd pick the S5ii X anyday over even the a7s3.
The video felt rushed, wish it was longer and slower paced. You guys are enjoyable to watch, but less so when you're talking like auctioneers. What's the big rush? 🙂
“They're both good! Everything is good! Buy all the things!” So this is life in the PetaPixel era…
If you are just starting out and looking for a hybrid camera the Panasonic s5ii would be miles better than the ZV-E1, specially if you want to take photographs & shoot long videos. Even though the s5ii can't match ZV-E1's 4k 120 fps, I really wish the 4k 60 was uncropped. On the other hand, the ZV-E1 is a fantastic video camera for travelling, content creation, vlogging & short video clips here & there. Definitely aimed towards different users.
right - both great, but for different uses
I can put the ZVE1 with the Sony G 24mm in my pocket, and it has better in built mic for a stripped down system. It also has the best autofocus. The S5ii is a brilliant camera, but different customer.
I think with the dynamic active they effectively use the clear Image zoom so I’m not convinced it loses that much quality, noticeable that is.
I wish there was a compact G 20mm F2.8-ish though! 24mm just isn't wide enough sometimes and the 20mm 1.8 is too big
Whoever approved the name S5 IIX is killing me. It looks like S5 8.
They named it after Elon Musk's son. I'm quite sure its same name.
Roman numeral for 8 is VIII???
@@dumm005 You are right. I am an idiot lmao. Still looks weird though.
Sony’s 12MP Full frame sensor will win in low-light situations
and the award for the fastest chattering youtuber in the world goes to: petapixel!
May as well compare the S5iix with a banana. The Sony is complete junk.
Lumix S5ii X and Fuji XH2s, which one is a better deal?
i personally am getting the Panasonic S5, because i think at it's price point it's the best camera for video, lemme know if you agree
S5iix
What about the overheating comparasion, or is the the Sony zv e1 overheats quickly?
How low can it be usable for filming in 4k 24p in a hot environment, or summer?
PANASONIC : PLEASE add a "shutter angle only" LOCKING OPTION in the Controls Lock Option menu. We ALL NEED it, and it just make all the sense in the world. Thank you!
Thank God you guys are back! I knew something was missing from my camera searches and now I know what it was🤟🏽
I love Panasonic, but it's not enough to switch from Sony.
That 8-bit intro reminds me of Nintendo and Mega Man👊😎
That was the idea.
S5IIX certainly wins for aesthetics. That camera looks awesome.
I totally agree. Panasonic's designs have always been solid, since the FZ-10 & FZ-20.
Sony ZV-E1 can overheat while recording 4k, has single sd card slot, worse raw detail, slightly worse video but better auto focus. So it's a trade on what you care. I believe for such a high price ZV-E1 should have 2 sd slots and have better heat management system, not to mention have more than 12 MP.
video is 12mp, just like the FX3, FX6 , FX9 and every cinema camera out there
Overheating problem is huge topic for pro user !!
Good to see that your still using the Noct weight comparison! Besides that I couldn't wait for its release, the battery life is one reason I have an S5II and didn't order the X. Since you need to use an SSD to get the best recording options, you can't use the USB-C port for powering the camera with a PD battery and use an SSD at the same time. When I am recording, I often do 5-6 hour shoots and hearing the battery life is just over an hour is disappointing. How did you test the battery life though? Did you start recording and leave it until the battery died? Or some other way? That would be useful to know.
If that battery life is true for normal shooting you would need quite a few batteries to do an all day shoot whereas with one USB-C battery on the S5II, I can record and take photos for as long as I need without having to swap batteries by powering the camera and charging the internal battery from it and still have lots of battery life left at the end of the day on a large capacity PD battery. the X should have had 2 USB-C ports and one for USB-C batteries if you are meant to use an SSD with it.
hey buddy, what quality does the s52 record internally - which the s52x doesn't record. what quality ONLY on SSD in S52x?
These 2 cameras couldn't be more opposite guys. The S5 IIX is going against real Sony creators cameras, not a vloggers special. Though the ZV-E1 is kind of cool given it's intent. You cannot kit it out easily with XLR audio for instance like the S5 IIX. The S5 IIX is the holy grail for anyone looking at video, and not totally killing their budget. Anyone who starts with the ZV-E1 will be a B camera before they know it. They will at least get an FX if not an a7 video centric camera anyway if they are in the E mount system. If they are starting new, and creation really IS their Jam, the Panny S5 IIX has so much right, and really very much bandwidth for growth. Sony has been handed their lunch with the S5 IIX. And I am both a Sony and Panny fanboy. Canon too by the way.
The point is that they’re the same price point, so which camera should you get for the money. Thus, Jordan’s conclusion at the end
Amazing! Yes! Give Me Danger! You’re A Star!
Between these 2, panasonic is better. I wouldnt dare to abandon sony or canon eco system if i was invested in them. Sony made a7s3 which absolutely destroyed the market. Now years later they use that same sensor in smaller more affordable bodies. Now competition is catching up. I think either canon or sony or both will bring a new camera that destorys everything else. I think investing in Nikon is better than investing in Panasonic. Z9 or Z8 are probably best bang for buck hybrids on the market right now.
I'd be curious about the overheating / shoot times on both.
There is no overheating issues with the S5 II / X since it has an amazing fan system which let's you record unlimited. From watching other reviews, the ZV-E1 overheats a crap ton.
@@UltratecJS seems like relevant info for a video shooting comparison!
No doubt. The ZV-E1 is basically unusable in Florida (where I live and shoot).
@@fofophoDo you own and use the zve1? I live in South Florida and my zve1 is completely useable for me. If I’m doing long format shooting I use my a7siii (which doesn’t over heat at all). But the zve1 will shoot 4k30 for 30 min and 4k60 for 15-20 mins in the sun at 90 deg f.
@@CAMTechChris people who post and complains about ZVE1 are non ZVE1 owners and are just parroting what those reviewers complains about. By having overheating and HDMI-Type D as the main issue for a camera of this size, I think Sony made a pretty good trade off.
If Panasonic can Get the price of l mount lenses down Lumix S series is kinda best bang for the buck in market. rn the fact almost every lens cost just as kuch as the body makes it hard to pull the trigger on a lens when that same lens its literally $300-500 cheaper on a different mount. Honesty i would say if have lumix get the ef adapter csuse its just rediculos to spend alot more for the same lens. Also thw lack of 3rd party lens manufacturers is also hurting them there isn't alot of choice for lenes and Panasonic dont seem to be in any rush to release more affordable lenses.
The Native Lumix Lenses are amazing, I have a lot of videos about them online. There is a reason they are approved by Leica :)
I want a zv-e1x black on black ! but really as a A1 (among others) owner i added the zv-e1 for backup and because its small its a compromise but i am willing to make it. What i do hope is that people see the interesting things sony is doing in the area of mic control, auto-framing and some of the other tricks they are adding its a start of something that can become very interesting it needs some tuning but it does work kind in many cases.
Maybe you should buy another cam as back-up for the zv-e1. Summer is coming 🏜
@@Giovanni-Giorgio you better watch out your comment is smoking hot, don't worry about my cameras they will be fine...
You know, if you a creator and shoot mainly for RUclips , think about this. This guys shoot video like 10 years or so, the footage quality in the past 5 did not change much for me as a viewer. No matter what body they use. Buy by battery and ergos first.
E1 is no match for S5 IIx... S5 ii x just destroys E1 in everything.... E1 is like a toy gun infront of Deagle...😂😂😂😂
They said it coukd see in the dark, you guys forgot to test zve1 like a7s3
Arguments?😊
My guess is in terms of Auto Focus, the Panasonic is only a firmware or two update away from putting it on par with the SONY to where that will be a draw.
I see so many people looking at the ZV-E1 for client work because its price and I just think that's a terrible idea
For photography Panasonic give just 7 FPS whit mechanical shutter, which it'd not enough in 2023 .Sony doesn't have mechanical shutter.
The true competitor to the Sony ZV E1 should be the next iteration of the Panasonic G100
chris's comment at the end was gold. more of the same!
When talking about image quality isn't there a moire issue with the Panasonic coming from it being sharper which may be why I think Sony uses lower megapixels for a more pleasing and result.
Then right after this the other guy made a comment that the Panasonic is a winner for photography. But again that makes it a loser for video if it's going to ruin the image with moire. Sure you might be able to compensate with a filter but then you'll lose focus.
who he ???
Which one is best for Point and Shoot + Cinematic Picture Quality >> Sony ZV-E1 vs Fujifilm X100V ?
Great to see the ZV-E1 holding its own. I had some bad experiences with the ZV-E10 recently. We used it and a Fuji X-T3 as BtS caneras and, oh man, did the five years old Fuji blow the Sony out of the water. There wasnt even a comparison to be made.
Always check CVP reviews for CMOS smearing in video mode, I wish Chris and Jordan pay attention to this.
Hmm... not much time given to IBIS- THE MOST IMPORTANT FEATURE!!!
I would not recommend any beginner a $2200 Sony ZV-E1. A $750 Sony a6400 will check all the boxes for a person who's starting out.
Panasonic all day every situation.
No sharp video because of 12mp? That will affect pictures man not video quality
You can throw that sony to that lake!
So I'll post the two big negatives the 'influencers' won't:
1. S5ii X = No OLPF filter, hence not a 'cinema' camera (like Netflix approved) since moire pattern is exaggerated.
2. Sony ZV E1 = Overheating makes it useless.
I'm glad these two boys found a new home :)
Overheating?...super important!
With all due respect very political, I want help my audience but I don’t want hurt the camera brand.
If they are for different people and applications they shouldn’t be compared, because you either going to be unfair or what you just did.
*doesn’t mention dynamic range*
I got a zve1. So far so good. I’m a total noob though so I really don’t know. I just wanted the cheapest Sony full frame video camera because I didn’t want to pony up for the a7siii or the fx3.
I'm still happy with Sony A7S Mark One and with 10 vintage lenses. Something is wrong with me. Maybe at 2025 will be better cameras
Me no Leica. The whole Nikon, Canon, Panasonic, Fuji, and Sony lineup of cameras is ugly, bulky, ultra-similar, and utterly BORING! Why can't anyone else but the Swedes come up with a camera that is truly beautiful to look at in addition to being minimalistic and fully functional - like the Hasselblads?!
It's crazy to me that the Sony ZV-E1 is more expensive than the Panasonic. If I had £2200 to spend IMO the P-Sonic wins hands down.
Unless you're very ghey get the Panasonic this has always been the case. Just steer clear of Sony in general unless very ghey.If you like good image quality get Panasonic. If you enjoy shitty pixilated video get a sony camera like A7IIIS.
Seriously, NOTHING on the low light video performance?