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@@kartikmishra6894 He is a journalist now also. I was referring to fact when he says I was there in the past when it happened. it was due to his role as a journalist. As opposed to " I was alive when it happened"
Actually he has worked as ground reporter unlike loud mouth anchors of today on prime time. And in those times there were no mobiles laptops etc. The last of a generation.
Salutes to Mr. Gorbachev for that timeless quote - call it (in Hindi) 'Kaarvaan' , or just 'Life' in general - things move on... Always! Salutes to Shekharji for telling us this as indeed the brilliant analysis of 'democracy' - here's wishing Shekhar Sir, that YOUR 'Kaarvaan' lasts for a long time to come!
I remember being 16 yr old , holding the copy of India Today with a caption "Live coverage from Moscow", Now I know it was SG Sir, who was reporting from Moscow
It still had many massacres and instabilities, "Butcher of Bosnia", Taliban Rise, And Disintegration of Soviet Union into 15 nations with Chechanya Fight, Yugoslavia broke up, Czechoslovakia broke Up. Unification of Germany was Good
Your experience as a journalist and the stories you share are interesting Shekhar sir. Some one should take Biopic/Docu Drama of your life as a journalist.
The reason for the instigation of this coup is somewhat similar to the war of succession in Shahjahan's last year as the emperor in 1658. Misinformation about the health of the incumbent ruler and the ensuing chaos, which though subdued led to permanent changes in the existing polity. As Mark Twain once said, 'History doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes.'
Thank you SG sir for a informative episode, re plugging my earlier advice, "those seeing this comment, please consider paying for Print website or print youtube subscription". If you haven't yet.
SG Uncle, you should also do a section on how Democracy came in Taiwan during Mr. Lee Teng-hui's rule in Taiwan, after years of Kuomintang's authoritarian rule..
To quote Will Durant... If we judge forms of government from their prevalence and duration in history we should have to give the palm to monarchy; democracies by contrast have been hectic interludes.
Your views on world affairs and politics is really a source of knowledge for us, the viewers.The digital media like Print can revolutionize the way journalism is perceived nowadays by common people. Thank you Shekhar Gupta for this initiative
He should be creating more episodes educating indians more about each other rather than on far away lands. Badly needed are in depth stories facts etc about south india about north east about tribal people of india about Andaman about other neglected places neglected communities about great women of india about indian literature, about indian architecture esp pre islamic architecture music cuisine etc etc
Few corrections. Firstly, Soviet Union was already on its way out before the coup. The New union treaty was coming on to effect from August 20. In fact, the primary motivation behind the coup was to prevent the end of Soviet union. That treaty was due to Gorbachev's desperate attempt to save the union by effectively converting it into a loose confederation. Secondly, by 1991, Soviet Union was already defunct de facto although not de jure even before the coup. Gorbachev had very little power except in few areas like army and foreign affairs. Local administrations were following orders from republics not the soviet government. Almost all the republics were taking over Soviet government functions slowly. Russia led by Yeltsin was actually pushing for dissolution of Soviet Union. It already had declared its sovereignty. There were war of laws between central government and Russia which effectively abolished all central laws from Russia.. Russia even withheld tax revenue from Soviet government so that it slowly collapses. Third, Yeltsin was never Gorbachev's close lieutenant. Yeltsin was initially promoted by Gorbachev to counter his rival Victor Grishin but was later purged. Both men had immense mutual hatred. Yeltsin was the head of Powerful Russian republic within the union and was doing everything to undermine central government.
True Brother, in fact Yeltsin had been humiliated as Mayor of Moscow on Gorbachev's order and it was only later due to internal politics that we was accomodated back into the system and as we know the rest is history.
Mr. Shekar. you really did have some fun reporting. I would have loved to be on a plane to Moscow while Yelsten was standing atop a tank and to be able to report it first had would have been super despite the enormous risk to life and freedom. Great man you are even though I sometimes (not always) disagree with your criticism of America, which is only trying to do mostly good in the world these days, although we do have some skeletons in our closet . While I have written some critical things about you in the past (but mostly praises), I am sure you are impartial, given the limits of reporting from India (which jails journalists opposed to the Govt views) . I've been to Russia numerous times, mostly towards the end of the Yelsten era and early in the Putin era (I did meet Putin once) and I could see the desperation and discomfort of the people. who I must say are as nice as anyone in the world. A distinguished scientist told me in 2002 that she was making 1/5th of what her son was making working as a software engineer working for a San Francisco company, I am a scientist and I went Russia to collaborate with the scientific excellence of Russia and I was appalled at how the Yelsten years were a disappointment (even my own country America did not lend a helping hand tp him to avoid letting Russia decent in to an effective dictatorship)
To sum up, democracy only works well when it is provided with enough people who trust in it and many many many democracy empowering institutions + free market.
Finally U got it Right Democracy is not a free lunch for everything, democracy brings responsibility accountability Nationalism and cultural responsibility alongside religious identities
Every session teaches me new things.... never knew that air India had flown il62 ( leased actually / code share) .just googled ..there is a picture of one in Shanon with dual livelary .... BTW air india also had leased the Soviet trijet tu- 154 for sometime when air india pilots were on strike ..
Actually India has a comparatively weak central government. Constitutional theory and the ground reality are sometimes different. USSR was a centralised totalitarian regime---India is an electoral democracy with some liberal features.
@@atulvaibhav5376 agreed but centralisation or call it one man show is back again. States are losing power to the centre and it needs to be reassessed.
@@jeffinjoy17 Not really. Take for example the economic reforms of 1991---all it took was one man (then PM Rao) to drastically change the fundamental economic doctrine of India. States read about it in newspapers the next day. Compare that to the structure of GST Council where even a simple issue of tax change has to be agreed by about 65% of states. Modi has a bad tendency for rash decisions (eg demonetisation) and limelight but that does not match with the policies coming out of BJP. for example BJP has left its penchant for Hindi and is in reality the most liberal party in language field (see use of regional languages in national level exams eg NEET).
CTC is so great, under rated and insightful. SG, thank you for proving that an editorial in the video format can be equally knowledgeable. May your subscribers grow!
Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results = US Foreign Policy. Democracy is a change that should come from within the nation. Disturbing them yields only chaos.
This guy has traveled so much and covered so many things.... totally jealous of that ....when I get to that age I won't have 5% of the experiences this dude has
I was there when this happened, school days, school being not far away from the White House, that was shelled by tanks. Remember seeing them black fumes .... cannot believe it was 30 years ago!
We Malayalees still have a soft corner for the USSR.In the eighties Soviet publications flooded Thiruvananthapuram and even today the russian cultural center here is much busier than a German or French one. Most of us still yearn for our dear friend, who even went against his Communist brother China when we fought each other in 1962. Still have some old magazines which describe how beautiful the Volga is.
I was in My last year in college. I remember this. There is a fact that democracy is hardly there in many of these former Soviet republics. So it's at the best half-full glass. Caravan moves on.
Every time Shekhar Sir says, "and we all know*... Hell, no! We don't. CTC is where I get to know. I dunno about others, I definitely don't know much. Of anything!
SG Sir !! Saw your podcast collaboration and would like to congratulate you for being you and yes your shows are between bunkers but some of your colleagues are still in the bunkers , hope sir you will guide them to come out in the open like you .
It's shear incompetence and stupidity that they allowed such a powerful union to disintegrate in such a fashion... It still fascinates me that such an event even took place .....
Going by your episodes,I think you are one among very few who have been first-hand eye-witness to some of the very land-marks events in human history. I am 68 now and was tracking these global events of that time through newspapers and magazines, but you were the lucky person to be at the happening places. While I congratulate you for covering this historic event i.e fall of Soviet Union , I think the whole narration in one episode is hardly enough because the effects of the fall is too deep and large on the entire humanity. So the issue should be followed up by you in another one or two parts. The fall effected on others in many ways say on the client states who were called though called members of the Soviet federation,but rightly controlled by Moscow with puppet heads who were communist commissars. 2). It also had geo-political implication and changed the world from bi-polar to uni-polar world,making America ,the big dada of the world.3). Most importantly, it exposed the real face of communism and its ugly and dark side within the blink of an eye ,which the Soviet successfully cultivated ,painted picturised and presented to world as a comunist heaven and many gullible of our generation, including myself. It conclusively demolished the myth of communist heaven. But what I missed after the fall is the strongly bound books published on Russian literature of Pushkin,Gogol,Chekhov,Tolstoy et all printed on very good quality paper . They were sold unbelievably at throw-away prices. Govt of India would do well to emulate the Soviets by publishing the native literature of Bharatvarsha for greater good of greater section of our country . That would be an act of expression of beneficial nationalism. The protection of native culture and heritage is the responsibility of the Govt of any country.
Gorbachev was very popular in India. When the coup happened ,I was a few months in my first job. My boss who was also working at Indian Express told us there was bad news from Soviet union . I think that was the opinion of most Indians who were aware of what is happening
Felt like SG is telling a story📜. Once upon a time there was a Soviet Union.🌏... They broke up & lived (or trying to live) happily ever after💙...& Moral of the the story our SG was there to witness it. 😁
In an age of steepening financial inequality one wonders whether the practice of democracy/freedom in the truest sense is possible anywhere in the world
Lessons learnt from Afghanistan: 1. Your dream house, dream car, dream life, bank balance, business shall all turn to dust if your nation does not stand 2. Your assets are valueless if your country has no asset 3. You can become a refugee in minutes if your leaders sell you off and flee away Moral of the story: Build your Nation….. choose strong leadership….. Instead of looking for freebies from leaders and voting for those who bring you free goods choose a leader who will stand to protect you……. Remember your country is your family and you need a father who teaches you to grow and forces you to go to school….. Dont choose a leader who comes for a season with gifts bought by the money saved in your own piggy bank.
You are quite right when you say that democracy is not the only consideration for the ordinary people. Quality of life, pride in their country and society, religion do matter. They are not abstract ideas. The problem with the West and their followers in India is that they think that the US and the UK are gold standards of democratic rule. For your information, until the beginning of 19th century, catholics suffered disabilities in England and even in Ireland in matters of education, jobs, social status. In the 17th century, catholics could not join college. When they were eventually allowed college education, they were held not eligible for a degree. They could not practice professions like medicine, law. In Ireland, the protestant minorities dominated over the catholic majority. The US is one of the most biased society, especially its midwest which is the bible belt. The preferred term over nationalism would be patriotism. Patriotism is the love for one's country, its land, people, the ethos. Nationalism is a modern european concept which led to battles between nations, aggression over other continents, colonisation and exploitation. In a country like India, patriotism has never lead to such disastrous consequences.
Something similar is happening in our country. People are hating democracy like it's the worst form of government and praising dictatorial regimes and figures like they are saints.
What Shri Narasimha Rao probably meant; all social changes have to take the existent society into account. Social change happens 'thro' soft degrees', as Alfred Tennyson said in his famous poem. This is true for any people.
It is my impression that had pro-democracy forces strengthened Shri Gorbachev's hand with financial assistance when he needed it, thus preventing utter economic collapse and the emergence of bread lines, Russia might have been on a different civic trajectory today.
I don't think people in Russia have gained anything from the fall of Soviet union. They still live in an authoritarian regime without FoE. Economic situation remains the same also.
A good journey down memory lane. Perestroika and Glasnost consumed their own propagator, Mikhail Gorbachev. This is a case study for future leaders tp learn.
One urge that subsets all urges like nationalism, identity, etc is that of conservatism. Russian coup was conservationist usurping reformists. Turkey's coup was secularist usurping islamist. In the end hagia Sofia is a mosque and the consumption of alcohol is reduced drastically in Russia under a teetotaler contrary to romanticized version of an average Russian
Was it an outcome of then coldwar or distegration happened organically from with in..what factors were at play..did gorvachov start reforms at his own volition or it was a ploy... Shekhar your take on this..in some of your next..
16:22.. SG Sir is wrong regarding those territories which are in the Indian map, but not under New Delhi's control. These territories are presently not under democracies, but under China and Pakistan. So, IF the Indian nationalists can bring these territories under Indian control, democracy will be established there. So, Indian nationalism and democracy are not contracting each other. Is SG Sir equating Taliban nationalism with Indian nationalism?
Putin once miss school for 2 days.... Now those 2 days are called Saturday and Sunday around the world😂😂. Putin always looks/acts like a Human version of Thanos!!!
Truman Capote, an American author wrote it in..... The Dogs Bark: Public People and Private Places..... inspired by inspired by the author Andre Gide.... "The dogs bark but the caravan moves on" (Gide to Capote one day in Tangiers when Capote was grumbling about a bad review), and most of the pieces are about people and places Capote has observed while moving on since 1942. Though large and covering a long period of time, this book is innocent of political or social opinions of any sort; if Capote has any, he has always kept them out of his writing; and there is a certain shallowness to the collection because of it. It bulges, however, with sharp, subtle observations of people, fascinating reminiscences and travel jottings, wonderful sketches, anecdotes and yarns, and, among other things, the most frightening horror story you've ever heard. Not a deep plate of soup, perhaps, but a marvelously tasty one."
This shows that people are bad by nature, ready to forgive any atrocity and any monstrosity, if their need for power and strength is fulfilled. Especially if it is inflicted on some one they consider other. Sure Russia struggled but so did Soviet Union where millions in Ukraine died due to artificial famine of Stalin. So Russians are ok with that, if they get to have super power status. People acting badly for survival and dignity is different from this.
I created a time machine and went to 15 March 44 BC to witness the death of Julius Caesar. And when I reached the place, there was SG covering the news.
If ussr leaders like yeltsin and soviet hardliners led By soviet vice president gennady yanayev show empathy towards Union of soviet sovereign republics not socialist.Then it would be better The only thing russia is military technology but poor economy And aging population.
@@Vizorfam do the difference between America and Russia America has both military technology and economy Russia has only military China doesn't have military technology but it has economy. So USA vs Russia and China
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Historical event happened between 1970 - 2000.
Sekhar : I was there.
Ibn Batuta, Marco Polo of our times.
@Rohan Krishna qq1111
He was a journalist,what do you expect?
@@Suresh_Kamath as if he's not anymore
@@kartikmishra6894 He is a journalist now also. I was referring to fact when he says I was there in the past when it happened. it was due to his role as a journalist. As opposed to " I was alive when it happened"
Actually he has worked as ground reporter unlike loud mouth anchors of today on prime time.
And in those times there were no mobiles laptops etc.
The last of a generation.
I like how SG said people saying Article 370 should be restored can only fight University elections... JNU..😂
Maybe that is because they don't need to. It is up to the judges.
This is hardcore SG territory. Love this 🙏. These CTCs are like drugs now. Can't go without them
True
Boost is the secret of guptaji's energy
welcome to the club! :)
Salutes to Mr. Gorbachev for that timeless quote - call it (in Hindi) 'Kaarvaan' , or just 'Life' in general - things move on...
Always!
Salutes to Shekharji for telling us this as indeed the brilliant analysis of 'democracy' - here's wishing Shekhar Sir, that YOUR 'Kaarvaan' lasts for a long time to come!
I remember being 16 yr old , holding the copy of India Today with a caption "Live coverage from Moscow", Now I know it was SG Sir, who was reporting from Moscow
SG is like Wonder Woman... He was present on site at every major event in modern human history.
Prof, this is why we attend your classes. Another rare topic covered very elaborately. Great job!
Please start PODCASTS regarding history sir...we 1980s kids are eagerly waiting...
I love the yellow legal pad with handwritten notes. My kind of reporter! Thank you.
When Putin comes to school late, the teachers say sorry for being early.
😄😄
Given where all he has been. If he ever has a biography, that would be quite interesting. Maybe he could write a separate book of his travels
Oh yes please shekharji. Start writing now.
Excellent. .democracy needs strong institutions to flourish..
The period of true democratic growth in the world hardly lasted for 10 years, it slowly started to end after the 9-11 attacks in 2001.
It still had many massacres and instabilities, "Butcher of Bosnia", Taliban Rise, And Disintegration of Soviet Union into 15 nations with Chechanya Fight, Yugoslavia broke up, Czechoslovakia broke Up. Unification of Germany was Good
Just got done watching SG's podcast with kushal on the caravaka podcast!.....👌
Your experience as a journalist and the stories you share are interesting Shekhar sir. Some one should take Biopic/Docu Drama of your life as a journalist.
The reason for the instigation of this coup is somewhat similar to the war of succession in Shahjahan's last year as the emperor in 1658. Misinformation about the health of the incumbent ruler and the ensuing chaos, which though subdued led to permanent changes in the existing polity.
As Mark Twain once said, 'History doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes.'
Thank you SG sir for a informative episode, re plugging my earlier advice, "those seeing this comment, please consider paying for Print website or print youtube subscription". If you haven't yet.
Thank you for your solid support in us, Suneel.
Good podcast with Kushal ji on the Carvaka podcast!
Probably the bestt journalist i have seen till now. Without any bias, just proper analysis. Keep up the good work sir.
SG Uncle, you should also do a section on how Democracy came in Taiwan during Mr. Lee Teng-hui's rule in Taiwan, after years of Kuomintang's authoritarian rule..
He accidentally ate a jelly fish which had abundance of democracy virus. Thus it spread to Taiwan.
Also South Korea under Chun doo hwan.
To quote Will Durant... If we judge forms of government from their prevalence and duration in history we should have to give the palm to monarchy; democracies by contrast have been hectic interludes.
Monarchies are over ,90% of countries are no longer monarchies
@@Kannot2023 sure...but we still relatively new concept... and upto us to keep it relevant... :)
Your views on world affairs and politics is really a source of knowledge for us, the viewers.The digital media like Print can revolutionize the way journalism is perceived nowadays by common people. Thank you Shekhar Gupta for this initiative
It's how we humans beings
Want to understand what u try
To tell us, great job respected sir 👍
People can get great knowledge just by attending lectures of Professors like SG, much quickly that they can get by reading the books.
Agree 👍
He should be creating more episodes educating indians more about each other rather than on far away lands. Badly needed are in depth stories facts etc about south india about north east about tribal people of india about Andaman about other neglected places neglected communities about great women of india about indian literature, about indian architecture esp pre islamic architecture music cuisine etc etc
@Mahesh M well I feel gov neglects south indian histories and focuses only on mughals and afghans.
Thank you for sharing your stories and insights. You are the grandfather I never had 🙏🏻
Fantastic video, the sheer variety of topics you cover is commendable to say the least. Keep going SG :)
Enjoyed your talk on carvaka podcast too today guptaji
Few corrections. Firstly, Soviet Union was already on its way out before the coup. The New union treaty was coming on to effect from August 20. In fact, the primary motivation behind the coup was to prevent the end of Soviet union. That treaty was due to Gorbachev's desperate attempt to save the union by effectively converting it into a loose confederation. Secondly, by 1991, Soviet Union was already defunct de facto although not de jure even before the coup. Gorbachev had very little power except in few areas like army and foreign affairs. Local administrations were following orders from republics not the soviet government. Almost all the republics were taking over Soviet government functions slowly. Russia led by Yeltsin was actually pushing for dissolution of Soviet Union. It already had declared its sovereignty. There were war of laws between central government and Russia which effectively abolished all central laws from Russia.. Russia even withheld tax revenue from Soviet government so that it slowly collapses. Third, Yeltsin was never Gorbachev's close lieutenant. Yeltsin was initially promoted by Gorbachev to counter his rival Victor Grishin but was later purged. Both men had immense mutual hatred. Yeltsin was the head of Powerful Russian republic within the union and was doing everything to undermine central government.
True Brother, in fact Yeltsin had been humiliated as Mayor of Moscow on Gorbachev's order and it was only later due to internal politics that we was accomodated back into the system and as we know the rest is history.
Mr. Shekar. you really did have some fun reporting. I would have loved to be on a plane to Moscow while Yelsten was standing atop a tank and to be able to report it first had would have been super despite the enormous risk to life and freedom. Great man you are even though I sometimes (not always) disagree with your criticism of America, which is only trying to do mostly good in the world these days, although we do have some skeletons in our closet . While I have written some critical things about you in the past (but mostly praises), I am sure you are impartial, given the limits of reporting from India (which jails journalists opposed to the Govt views) . I've been to Russia numerous times, mostly towards the end of the Yelsten era and early in the Putin era (I did meet Putin once) and I could see the desperation and discomfort of the people. who I must say are as nice as anyone in the world. A distinguished scientist told me in 2002 that she was making 1/5th of what her son was making working as a software engineer working for a San Francisco company, I am a scientist and I went Russia to collaborate with the scientific excellence of Russia and I was appalled at how the Yelsten years were a disappointment (even my own country America did not lend a helping hand tp him to avoid letting Russia decent in to an effective dictatorship)
Nice explanations Sekhar sir learned a lot from you about situation of USSR in 1991
This has to be one of the best Episodes of CTC. Absolutely Loved it. 😊
Wuhan lab leak theory episode: Hold my Beer
@@ArjunPrasadZ007 Agreed 👍🏻
Always authentic and unique. Loved the analysis.
SG is a legend . He will be there everywhere.
The saga of how 'The OnLy FatherlanD' had fallen apart retold in SG way! Fantastic.
"Dogs bark but the caravan passes." Gorbachev was quoting Leo Tolstoy.
Thank you for this happy rememberance of a watershed in history.
Was expecting a video on Calcutta High court's order for a CBI probe in post election violance in West Bengal.
There was no violence, all of it was doing of sanghi govt
@@Vizorfam Ye dekho, whatsapp university ka tattu
@@Vizorfam come and live in west bengal.
@@Arkaworldd do whatever you want to do no one can ever lay a finger on mamta Banerjee and tmc, anyways she will rule till eternity in Bengal
@@Vizorfam This is what BJP bhakts say when anyone criticizes the current govt. vis-a-vis Modi.
To sum up, democracy only works well when it is provided with enough people who trust in it and many many many democracy empowering institutions + free market.
Finally U got it Right Democracy is not a free lunch for everything, democracy brings responsibility accountability Nationalism and cultural responsibility alongside religious identities
Thank you for providing valuable information.
Interesting and somewhat nostalgic. One realizes how much India Russia relations have changed from the India Soviet Union days!
Love to watch and hear your thoughts, best as always.
Every session teaches me new things.... never knew that air India had flown il62 ( leased actually / code share) .just googled ..there is a picture of one in Shanon with dual livelary .... BTW air india also had leased the Soviet trijet tu- 154 for sometime when air india pilots were on strike ..
We miss Soviet Jets in this era of duopoly.
@@a.n.u_b.h.a.v correct
Centralization is good upto a limit, it's a lesson to be learnt by Indian Central Government from USSR
Actually India has a comparatively weak central government. Constitutional theory and the ground reality are sometimes different. USSR was a centralised totalitarian regime---India is an electoral democracy with some liberal features.
@@atulvaibhav5376 agreed but centralisation or call it one man show is back again. States are losing power to the centre and it needs to be reassessed.
@@jeffinjoy17 Not really. Take for example the economic reforms of 1991---all it took was one man (then PM Rao) to drastically change the fundamental economic doctrine of India. States read about it in newspapers the next day. Compare that to the structure of GST Council where even a simple issue of tax change has to be agreed by about 65% of states. Modi has a bad tendency for rash decisions (eg demonetisation) and limelight but that does not match with the policies coming out of BJP. for example BJP has left its penchant for Hindi and is in reality the most liberal party in language field (see use of regional languages in national level exams eg NEET).
CTC is so great, under rated and insightful. SG, thank you for proving that an editorial in the video format can be equally knowledgeable. May your subscribers grow!
Respect and love from Germany. Keep up with your valuable analysis and work.
Outstanding summation of the 1990s in Russia . And in such few words. Thank you Shekhar Gupta.
Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results = US Foreign Policy. Democracy is a change that should come from within the nation. Disturbing them yields only chaos.
This guy has traveled so much and covered so many things.... totally jealous of that ....when I get to that age I won't have 5% of the experiences this dude has
I was there when this happened, school days, school being not far away from the White House, that was shelled by tanks. Remember seeing them black fumes .... cannot believe it was 30 years ago!
Wide spectrum of subjects dealt with such clarity is appreciable. Infact you are a mine of knowledge....
Those who do not learn from History are doomed to repeat it. --George Santayana
Halka flex by Shekhar...but then he was there during the Soviet times...legend!
We Malayalees still have a soft corner for the USSR.In the eighties Soviet publications flooded Thiruvananthapuram and even today the russian cultural center here is much busier than a German or French one. Most of us still yearn for our dear friend, who even went against his Communist brother China when we fought each other in 1962. Still have some old magazines which describe how beautiful the Volga is.
Shekhar your audio a bit off today. Maybe some mic issue.. Great content though. Thank you ☺️
Hi Sanjay, thanks for the feedback on the audio. Happy to note you liked the content.
Really enjoyed your podcast with Kushal today 👍
I was in My last year in college. I remember this. There is a fact that democracy is hardly there in many of these former Soviet republics. So it's at the best half-full glass. Caravan moves on.
Every time Shekhar Sir says, "and we all know*...
Hell, no! We don't. CTC is where I get to know. I dunno about others, I definitely don't know much. Of anything!
At 22:48 you had made an interesting strong statement, do you have any scholarly article in support of the statement?
SG Sir !! Saw your podcast collaboration and would like to congratulate you for being you and yes your shows are between bunkers but some of your colleagues are still in the bunkers , hope sir you will guide them to come out in the open like you .
It's shear incompetence and stupidity that they allowed such a powerful union to disintegrate in such a fashion... It still fascinates me that such an event even took place .....
Class for serious student of history. Thanks
Going by your episodes,I think you are one among very few who have been first-hand eye-witness to some of the very land-marks events in human history. I am 68 now and was tracking these global events of that time through newspapers and magazines, but you were the lucky person to be at the happening places. While I congratulate you for covering this historic event i.e fall of Soviet Union , I think the whole narration in one episode is hardly enough because the effects of the fall is too deep and large on the entire humanity. So the issue should be followed up by you in another one or two parts. The fall effected on others in many ways say on the client states who were called though called members of the Soviet federation,but rightly controlled by Moscow with puppet heads who were communist commissars. 2). It also had geo-political implication and changed the world from bi-polar to uni-polar world,making America ,the big dada of the world.3). Most importantly, it exposed the real face of communism and its ugly and dark side within the blink of an eye ,which the Soviet successfully cultivated ,painted picturised and presented to world as a comunist heaven and many gullible of our generation, including myself. It conclusively demolished the myth of communist heaven. But what I missed after the fall is the strongly bound books published on Russian literature of Pushkin,Gogol,Chekhov,Tolstoy et all printed on very good quality paper . They were sold unbelievably at throw-away prices. Govt of India would do well to emulate the Soviets by publishing the native literature of Bharatvarsha for greater good of greater section of our country . That would be an act of expression of beneficial nationalism. The protection of native culture and heritage is the responsibility of the Govt of any country.
Reviving world history again.. thank you sg!
Gorbachev was very popular in India. When the coup happened ,I was a few months in my first job. My boss who was also working at Indian Express told us there was bad news from Soviet union . I think that was the opinion of most Indians who were aware of what is happening
The wind blows , the dog barks and the caravan moves on! Iconic lines
Our very own forrest gump. He was everywhere
Sir has flown on il62 ...now it's really making rhe aviation geeks jealous...
Felt like SG is telling a story📜.
Once upon a time there was a Soviet Union.🌏... They broke up & lived (or trying to live) happily ever after💙...& Moral of the the story our SG was there to witness it. 😁
In an age of steepening financial inequality one wonders whether the practice of democracy/freedom in the truest sense is possible anywhere in the world
Thanks for interesting story and making subscription process easy
Lessons learnt from Afghanistan:
1. Your dream house, dream car, dream life, bank balance, business shall all turn to dust if your nation does not stand
2. Your assets are valueless if your country has no asset
3. You can become a refugee in minutes if your leaders sell you off and flee away
Moral of the story:
Build your Nation…..
choose strong leadership…..
Instead of looking for freebies from leaders and voting for those who bring you free goods choose a leader who will stand to protect you…….
Remember your country is your family and you need a father who teaches you to grow and forces you to go to school…..
Dont choose a leader who comes for a season with gifts bought by the money saved in your own piggy bank.
Copied from twitter a be proud that our forefathers have given a rock solid base to this country,
You are quite right when you say that democracy is not the only consideration for the ordinary people. Quality of life, pride in their country and society, religion do matter. They are not abstract ideas. The problem with the West and their followers in India is that they think that the US and the UK are gold standards of democratic rule. For your information, until the beginning of 19th century, catholics suffered disabilities in England and even in Ireland in matters of education, jobs, social status. In the 17th century, catholics could not join college. When they were eventually allowed college education, they were held not eligible for a degree. They could not practice professions like medicine, law. In Ireland, the protestant minorities dominated over the catholic majority. The US is one of the most biased society, especially its midwest which is the bible belt.
The preferred term over nationalism would be patriotism. Patriotism is the love for one's country, its land, people, the ethos. Nationalism is a modern european concept which led to battles between nations, aggression over other continents, colonisation and exploitation. In a country like India, patriotism has never lead to such disastrous consequences.
Marvelous Analysis ~~
Something similar is happening in our country.
People are hating democracy like it's the worst form of government and praising dictatorial regimes and figures like they are saints.
What Shri Narasimha Rao probably meant; all social changes have to take the existent society into account. Social change happens 'thro' soft degrees', as Alfred Tennyson said in his famous poem. This is true for any people.
It is my impression that had pro-democracy forces strengthened Shri Gorbachev's hand with financial assistance when he needed it, thus preventing utter economic collapse and the emergence of bread lines, Russia might have been on a different civic trajectory today.
Thnx for the episode
I don't think people in Russia have gained anything from the fall of Soviet union. They still live in an authoritarian regime without FoE. Economic situation remains the same also.
*worse
Very informative video sir...
The title of the video shud end with “& lessons for our country” 😀
A good journey down memory lane. Perestroika and Glasnost consumed their own propagator, Mikhail Gorbachev. This is a case study for future leaders tp learn.
If I had SG as my history teacher, may be today I would have been in a different profession
One urge that subsets all urges like nationalism, identity, etc is that of conservatism. Russian coup was conservationist usurping reformists. Turkey's coup was secularist usurping islamist. In the end hagia Sofia is a mosque and the consumption of alcohol is reduced drastically in Russia under a teetotaler contrary to romanticized version of an average Russian
Very insightful.
Was it an outcome of then coldwar or distegration happened organically from with in..what factors were at play..did gorvachov start reforms at his own volition or it was a ploy... Shekhar your take on this..in some of your next..
Truth that should not be told!
16:22.. SG Sir is wrong regarding those territories which are in the Indian map, but not under New Delhi's control. These territories are presently not under democracies, but under China and Pakistan. So, IF the Indian nationalists can bring these territories under Indian control, democracy will be established there. So, Indian nationalism and democracy are not contracting each other.
Is SG Sir equating Taliban nationalism with Indian nationalism?
It took me by surprise when I got to know that Gorbachev is still alive
How is that a surprise? 1989 was not that long ago.
Thanks for carvaka podcast interview..
'Shock' changes never work, no matter how benign are they.
Putin once miss school for 2 days....
Now those 2 days are called Saturday and Sunday around the world😂😂.
Putin always looks/acts like a Human version of Thanos!!!
Dear SG, do you think Balkanisation of India is possible?
Truman Capote, an American author wrote it in..... The Dogs Bark: Public People and Private Places..... inspired by inspired by the author Andre Gide.... "The dogs bark but the caravan moves on" (Gide to Capote one day in Tangiers when Capote was grumbling about a bad review), and most of the pieces are about people and places Capote has observed while moving on since 1942. Though large and covering a long period of time, this book is innocent of political or social opinions of any sort; if Capote has any, he has always kept them out of his writing; and there is a certain shallowness to the collection because of it. It bulges, however, with sharp, subtle observations of people, fascinating reminiscences and travel jottings, wonderful sketches, anecdotes and yarns, and, among other things, the most frightening horror story you've ever heard. Not a deep plate of soup, perhaps, but a marvelously tasty one."
Great ctc sir
This shows that people are bad by nature, ready to forgive any atrocity and any monstrosity, if their need for power and strength is fulfilled. Especially if it is inflicted on some one they consider other. Sure Russia struggled but so did Soviet Union where millions in Ukraine died due to artificial famine of Stalin. So Russians are ok with that, if they get to have super power status. People acting badly for survival and dignity is different from this.
I created a time machine and went to 15 March 44 BC to witness the death of Julius Caesar. And when I reached the place, there was SG covering the news.
Half the people here today seem to be here from The Carvaka Podcast
If ussr leaders like yeltsin and soviet hardliners led
By soviet vice president gennady yanayev show empathy towards
Union of soviet sovereign republics not socialist.Then it would be better
The only thing russia is military technology but poor economy
And aging population.
Why can't our country have military technology?
@@Vizorfam we are working on it
@@manoshinandy5180 so just like with everything looong way to go
@@Vizorfam do the difference between America and Russia
America has both military technology and economy
Russia has only military
China doesn't have military technology but it has economy.
So USA vs Russia and China
@@manoshinandy5180 😪 ..i like china though wbu?
USA is still a democracy, and still powerful. They have always been nationalists also.