Ace is the exception not the rule. You can make actual tangible arguments for Ace beating Shanks and Big Mom that aren’t wank it’s literally 1-1 Ace’s actual feats compared to things that actually have defeated those Yonko
Giving Ace Fs here is like giving pre-ts Luffy Fs because he used it against Mihawk. Ace used it once and that’s it. I don’t think that’s enough to give that to Ace
‘I can’t give him an ability he showed’ LMAOOO. I understand arguing that what Ace showed might not have been future sight but arguing that he showed it and still can’t use it is hilarious.
@@LethalPlayers he showed it once in a novel and then never used it again. Would have been helpful when going against BB and his unknown df but did he use fs then? Nope and then he proceeded to get packed. And I’m supposed to believe he can go fs for fs with KATA?! Nope 🙅🏾♂️
@@deadass1240 Ace's giant dragon move would have been helpful as well. Does he not have that anymore? Luffy's future sight would have been beneficial against Kaido and Kizaru yet he used it once in both fights. Ace has very limited screen time fighting, taking away abilities you yourself says he has it not smart
@@LethalPlayers an ability he used once. Like I said Luffy used fs at MF, but he wasn’t able to use it in his fights until Kata. You can’t just say Ace has fs and then say pre-ts Luffy doesn’t. Ace can use his fire dragon thing sure, but not fs. And this applies to all his fights not just Kata
@@LethalPlayerswould you give pre time skip luffy conquerers haki because he showed it back then? Unlocking an ability and mastering are very different. We know that there’s levels to future sight, so giving Ace fs as strong as Kata because he used it once feels disingenuous.
Ace is underrated as Hell. I'm glad you put spotlight on this. The only reason he loses to Marco in my opinion is due to Marco's fire immunity. I'd actually rate Ace's AP higher then Marco otherwise. Speed goes to Marco but when you have crazy area of effect like Mera Mera, speed isn't as important.
That was also Ace before he even met Whitebeard. Then he fought Whitebeard 100 times and got significantly stronger. After all 100 fights is when Ace officially joined the Whitebeard pirates and plenty has happened since then. Ace is really built different
If Ace had never died and reached his full potential. He would have been able to defeat every Commander. I hope and one piece. There's us seraphim. Who's a clone of ace? or maybe after he died the scientist took blood from his the floor and Marine floor and used it to clone him.
what would you say for ace vs sanji? im leaning sanji because speed, good enough ap and seeming invulnerability to flames (at least at the heat ace's will be)
Ace has future sight and he can accelerate himself with the Mera Mera no Mi. He can keep up with Sanji and also has the power output to burn him. Ace takes it. Maybe Sanji could win in the future but not yet.
Future sight??? Nah first of all the last fight of the ace manga ain't canon the 99th in the manga is the last fight in the novel and even then that's clearly not future sight Luffy did the same thing at marineford also future sight or not Sanji is blizting through it@@Shadowwarrior996
@@blessinganwana9854the entire Ace manga is confirmed to be canon in both volumes releases and also external sources such as the official One Piece Magazine. The same magazine that Oda drew a hypothetical of Sabo saving Ace and Luffy from Akainu stated the Ace manga is canon. In the 2nd volume it’s stated that Oda contributed heavily to the story boarding of the Ace manga and even sometimes did scenes entirely by himself, such as a particular scene in chapter 3 of Marco and Thatch discussing the new 100th fight. So the new fight was literally Oda’s idea. Cope about it. Yes Luffy used future sight at Marineford subconsciously. Ace used it consciously against Whitebeard.
ace's flame ability could potentially nullify a lot of katakuris bag by melting the mochi it might not hurt kat cause he can do it himself but it takes a factor of control away from him but kat probably has better fs by a decent margin
8:31 predicting where someone will be tonyse your attacks better is basic but observation haki intention sensing like enel did and does not mean that Ace has FS Plus Sabonhas better feats of physical strength and haki
Great vid. I got Ace>Marco tho his regen isn’t as crazy as ppl make it out to be it only last as long as how much stamina he has as base king and queen got him outta here for a bit and Ace can spam fire longer than Marco can regenerate + Haki diff
Ppl have that thought he came out of pre time skip over ace? But I guess they are saying like knowing what we knew in pre time skip ace even then he was equal to jinbei and jinbei was way above start of time skip Luffy
Tl:dr katakuri and most of these guys neg or low diff I will not count these light novel ace as Manga/anime ace Only as a speculation of what he could have achieved Why? He could not beat jinbei Jinbei right NOW is around 3rd commander lvl 2 years removed he is at Best relative to 3rd commander lvl Ace was strong But not really that strong Jinbei will always be ace scale Wether thats Minimum or maximum That uo to you But he will be around jinbei lvl Regardless As for Him not performing well against leech Remember it was 5 against 1 (not the real problem) And He was pissed not calm and not in control Observation haki in general cannot be used if you are not calm Your state of mind also affects all haki as well Armament requires concentration we learned this in wano Conquers requires an unwavering will Anyway ace is underrated but not crazy strong Me personally i think he could have Done well against lakainu Not win but not exactly lose and he would do big damage on lakainu and he could have escaped Why do i think this? Jinbei blocked Lakainu and Could do good damge to him pre timeskip Ace a Yc who tied with jinbei could do the same maybe better What people don't get is all the wb pirates and Jinbei were heartbroken and sad and pissed aka not calm or concentrated So they Could not Perform 100% Their haki was failing The ladmirals who were against them could not capitalize on this and not Kill any of them To me the Ladmirals are the biggest frauds Also using fs once doesn't mean that person would develop it It just means they have it Luffy has used the voice of all things 2 times but still can't control or use it Stat wise katakuri dog walks In Strength Speed Stamina Haki Durability Defence Endurance Dc Ap Df mastery Iq Battle iq Katakuri has the strength and ap to effortlessly 1 shot neg diff ichij (Modified body + Raid suit) with a half assed punch Raid suit sanji is stronger than Jinbei Modified Body sanji (germa genes activated) Is stronger than jinbei Katakuri would No diff sanji jinbei and Ace Katakuri has speed stamina and Endurance feats that are insane he Is capable of out speeding the future And Tanking hits on purpose with no haki Like black mamba and King cobra And only recieved a scuff mark These attacks are the same if not stronger (due to constantly speeding up) Attacks that made Bigmom block with haki Luffy in g4 is nothing to laugh at Speed is power right? Luffys attacks were speeding at mach fuck you and katakuri tanked dodged and dominated luffy For 11 hours 8 hours in awakening 4 of those hours with a lethal wound And gave luffy the W at the end of destroying him Katakuri is insane he is not a logia The stamina tax of df is always there But awakening drains massive amounts of stamina Awakening usage for 8 hours >>>a fight that lasted 5 days Katakuri has high durability as explained earlier he tanked hits on purpose and never recieved a cut or bruise or broke anything Only Scuff marks No damage was done And the blood you see on him 98% of it came from katakuri himself he smacked his head causing it to leak He stabbed his stomach (lethal wound) Causing a massive lost of blood Luffy got 2 direct Hits in for 3 drops of blood That doesn't mean besides he can bleed and is mortal This blood scaling is weird regardless I scale damage Becusse do you know who made kaido bleed the most??? The scabbards Does this mean they did the most damage?? Not by a long shot Making some one bleed a drop of blood is not a sign of Weak Katakuri is the strongest Yc under mihawk and ben Beckman His haki is built different He can see and hear the legit future For as long as he needs Wether its 10 seconds of 30 Hi introduction showed he used it for a minute His Armament haki is literally built different It was explained/shown and confirmed to by his vivre card To be a Unique/superior Armament haki It can "Cut" other haki and Have "Impact" others haki Edged mochi and power mochi are when he uses this unique haki (He only uses it like 5 times same with his spear mogura cuz he started to like luffy) Katakuri is built different
Ace absolutely loses to every first Commander. His Haki and AP are just too low. From what we have seen he beats Queen and Killer mid-high diff. But Marco, King, Sabo, Zoro,Ben, and Shiryu cook him pretty easy he cants put them down and hit him. He would need a Haki bloom mid fight to beat Kat or Sanji but thats absolutely were he caps. Overall Ace=Awakened Doffy
Yeah, no. He gets folded hard by King, Zoro, etc. Ace was capable of stalemating Sea Prism Cuffed Yamato, and somewhat clashing against a casual Aokiji thanks to his elemental advantage onky. He aint shit against modern Wano Yamato or any character worth their salt. Fodder gets wrecked by even Katakuri, Dressrosa Luffy & Zoro.
Just know this, the authors of the light novel are not oda, sure, but were his direct assistants and he supervised the project. Details from the ace novel were brought up later as canon : the official answer to the question ''what happens when 2 people eat a devil fruit at once" was to look at what happened to ace. Its not a total canon confirmation, but some events created for the ace novel seem to have been pointed to as canon, and are completely absent from the source material. Do with that what you will.
@@Shadowwarrior996How is Ace a better haki user?? Kat has advance observation, something Ace rarely show. And his Armament was better than Luffy’s armament.
Ace >= Yamato actually, Heart Pirates Ace = Base Yamato, and Jimbei stated that Ace has gotten much, much stronger in WB Pirates to the point where Jimbei has absolutely no chance of defeating him
I'm glad Oda showed how strong Ace was during Wano. We'd definitely see allot of people calling him a Dressrosa Luffy victim.
“Dressrosa victim” the way my blood boils man😭😭
Ace couldn’t even beat Yammato with sea prism cuffs …. She was being nerf and it was still a draw
He couldn’t beat gear 4 luffy at dressroca he can’t even beat dressroca zoro
That's because he is.
Dressrosa Luffy folds that fraud.
@@daedae2500 You're acting as if he wanted to smoke Yamato lol
Ace and the Division Commanders are proof that Yonko Commanders’ fighting ability go beyond simple numbered ranking like “1st-2nd commander level”
Ace is the exception not the rule. You can make actual tangible arguments for Ace beating Shanks and Big Mom that aren’t wank it’s literally 1-1 Ace’s actual feats compared to things that actually have defeated those Yonko
Giving Ace Fs here is like giving pre-ts Luffy Fs because he used it against Mihawk. Ace used it once and that’s it. I don’t think that’s enough to give that to Ace
‘I can’t give him an ability he showed’ LMAOOO. I understand arguing that what Ace showed might not have been future sight but arguing that he showed it and still can’t use it is hilarious.
@@LethalPlayers he showed it once in a novel and then never used it again. Would have been helpful when going against BB and his unknown df but did he use fs then? Nope and then he proceeded to get packed. And I’m supposed to believe he can go fs for fs with KATA?! Nope 🙅🏾♂️
@@deadass1240 Ace's giant dragon move would have been helpful as well. Does he not have that anymore? Luffy's future sight would have been beneficial against Kaido and Kizaru yet he used it once in both fights. Ace has very limited screen time fighting, taking away abilities you yourself says he has it not smart
@@LethalPlayers an ability he used once. Like I said Luffy used fs at MF, but he wasn’t able to use it in his fights until Kata. You can’t just say Ace has fs and then say pre-ts Luffy doesn’t. Ace can use his fire dragon thing sure, but not fs. And this applies to all his fights not just Kata
@@LethalPlayerswould you give pre time skip luffy conquerers haki because he showed it back then? Unlocking an ability and mastering are very different. We know that there’s levels to future sight, so giving Ace fs as strong as Kata because he used it once feels disingenuous.
I forgot the cut through fire technique yeah it's really hard to push for the goat Ace
Ace is underrated as Hell. I'm glad you put spotlight on this. The only reason he loses to Marco in my opinion is due to Marco's fire immunity. I'd actually rate Ace's AP higher then Marco otherwise. Speed goes to Marco but when you have crazy area of effect like Mera Mera, speed isn't as important.
I finna have to disagree with the marco vs ace one. Marco clocked out during the onigashima raid, ace was fought jinbei for 3 days at a disadvantage.
@@AhmedHussain-ju6xd I can hear it, at the end of the vid I do say that’s the fight I’m the most 50/50 on
That was also Ace before he even met Whitebeard. Then he fought Whitebeard 100 times and got significantly stronger. After all 100 fights is when Ace officially joined the Whitebeard pirates and plenty has happened since then. Ace is really built different
What ace relys heavy on his devil fruit he has Haki just doesn’t use it
Siryu vs Ace?
He makes flame sword would be lit swordfight
A1 Ace glazer
If Ace had never died and reached his full potential. He would have been able to defeat every Commander. I hope and one piece. There's us seraphim. Who's a clone of ace? or maybe after he died the scientist took blood from his the floor and Marine floor and used it to clone him.
Would be really cool
Would you want me to make a video covering on what if he did achieve his max potential
@@KingKosuu hell yeah please
if anybody reached their max potential they would be strong
@@vert6537 indeed
0:06 the bread cant be that good bro, he doesn't even have luffys fruit but hes extending his mouth like he does.
@@Globbronglobgr0d what does this even mean💀💀💀
Bread scaling
@@AhmedHussain-ju6xd mfs will scale ANYTHING
@@KingKosuu you saw the way he was gobbling a whole loaf of sour dough.
@@Globbronglobgr0dLMFAOOOOOO
what would you say for ace vs sanji? im leaning sanji because speed, good enough ap and seeming invulnerability to flames (at least at the heat ace's will be)
sanji washes him
Ace has future sight and he can accelerate himself with the Mera Mera no Mi. He can keep up with Sanji and also has the power output to burn him. Ace takes it.
Maybe Sanji could win in the future but not yet.
Future sight??? Nah first of all the last fight of the ace manga ain't canon the 99th in the manga is the last fight in the novel and even then that's clearly not future sight Luffy did the same thing at marineford also future sight or not Sanji is blizting through it@@Shadowwarrior996
@@blessinganwana9854the entire Ace manga is confirmed to be canon in both volumes releases and also external sources such as the official One Piece Magazine. The same magazine that Oda drew a hypothetical of Sabo saving Ace and Luffy from Akainu stated the Ace manga is canon. In the 2nd volume it’s stated that Oda contributed heavily to the story boarding of the Ace manga and even sometimes did scenes entirely by himself, such as a particular scene in chapter 3 of Marco and Thatch discussing the new 100th fight. So the new fight was literally Oda’s idea. Cope about it.
Yes Luffy used future sight at Marineford subconsciously. Ace used it consciously against Whitebeard.
@@Shadowwarrior996 sanji wins now because he has hotter flames and resistance to flames but ace beats everyone that isn't king, zoro and above
Ace verse zoro gets summed up by fire fox style zoro stole
ace's flame ability could potentially nullify a lot of katakuris bag by melting the mochi it might not hurt kat cause he can do it himself but it takes a factor of control away from him but kat probably has better fs by a decent margin
8:31 predicting where someone will be tonyse your attacks better is basic but observation haki intention sensing like enel did and does not mean that Ace has FS
Plus Sabonhas better feats of physical strength and haki
Koff koff shiru tanked an off guard strike from a last days of his prime sengoku and got up after pre fruit koff koff
In Short answer:
King>ace
Sabo>ace
Old reyleigh>>ace
Katakuri>>ace
Ben Beckman>>>ace
Marco>>>>>ace
Aokiji>>>>>ace
Mihawk>>>>>>>>>>>>ace
Great vid. I got Ace>Marco tho his regen isn’t as crazy as ppl make it out to be it only last as long as how much stamina he has as base king and queen got him outta here for a bit and Ace can spam fire longer than Marco can regenerate + Haki diff
Ppl have that thought he came out of pre time skip over ace? But I guess they are saying like knowing what we knew in pre time skip ace even then he was equal to jinbei and jinbei was way above start of time skip Luffy
Tl:dr katakuri and most of these guys neg or low diff
I will not count these light novel ace as
Manga/anime ace
Only as a speculation of what he could have achieved
Why?
He could not beat jinbei
Jinbei right NOW is around 3rd commander lvl
2 years removed he is at Best relative to 3rd commander lvl
Ace was strong
But not really that strong
Jinbei will always be ace scale
Wether thats Minimum or maximum
That uo to you
But he will be around jinbei lvl Regardless
As for Him not performing well against leech
Remember it was 5 against 1 (not the real problem)
And
He was pissed not calm and not in control
Observation haki in general cannot be used if you are not calm
Your state of mind also affects all haki as well
Armament requires concentration we learned this in wano
Conquers requires an unwavering will
Anyway ace is underrated but not crazy strong
Me personally i think he could have Done well against lakainu
Not win but not exactly lose and he would do big damage on lakainu and he could have escaped
Why do i think this?
Jinbei blocked Lakainu and Could do good damge to him pre timeskip
Ace a Yc who tied with jinbei could do the same maybe better
What people don't get is all the wb pirates and Jinbei were heartbroken and sad and pissed aka not calm or concentrated
So they Could not Perform 100%
Their haki was failing
The ladmirals who were against them could not capitalize on this and not Kill any of them
To me the Ladmirals are the biggest frauds
Also using fs once doesn't mean that person would develop it
It just means they have it
Luffy has used the voice of all things 2 times but still can't control or use it
Stat wise katakuri dog walks
In
Strength
Speed
Stamina
Haki
Durability
Defence
Endurance
Dc
Ap
Df mastery
Iq
Battle iq
Katakuri has the strength and ap to effortlessly 1 shot neg diff ichij (Modified body + Raid suit)
with a half assed punch
Raid suit sanji is stronger than Jinbei
Modified Body sanji (germa genes activated)
Is stronger than jinbei
Katakuri would No diff sanji jinbei and Ace
Katakuri has speed stamina and Endurance feats that are insane he Is capable of out speeding the future
And Tanking hits on purpose with no haki
Like black mamba and King cobra
And only recieved a scuff mark
These attacks are the same if not stronger (due to constantly speeding up)
Attacks that made Bigmom block with haki
Luffy in g4 is nothing to laugh at
Speed is power right?
Luffys attacks were speeding at mach fuck you and katakuri tanked dodged and dominated luffy
For 11 hours 8 hours in awakening 4 of those hours with a lethal wound
And gave luffy the W at the end of destroying him
Katakuri is insane he is not a logia
The stamina tax of df is always there
But awakening drains massive amounts of stamina
Awakening usage for 8 hours >>>a fight that lasted 5 days
Katakuri has high durability as explained earlier he tanked hits on purpose and never recieved a cut or bruise or broke anything
Only Scuff marks
No damage was done
And the blood you see on him 98% of it came from katakuri himself he smacked his head causing it to leak
He stabbed his stomach (lethal wound)
Causing a massive lost of blood
Luffy got 2 direct Hits in for 3 drops of blood
That doesn't mean besides he can bleed and is mortal
This blood scaling is weird regardless
I scale damage
Becusse do you know who made kaido bleed the most???
The scabbards
Does this mean they did the most damage??
Not by a long shot
Making some one bleed a drop of blood is not a sign of Weak
Katakuri is the strongest Yc under mihawk and ben Beckman
His haki is built different
He can see and hear the legit future
For as long as he needs
Wether its 10 seconds of 30
Hi introduction showed he used it for a minute
His Armament haki is literally built different
It was explained/shown and confirmed to by his vivre card
To be a Unique/superior Armament haki
It can "Cut" other haki and Have "Impact" others haki
Edged mochi and power mochi are when he uses this unique haki
(He only uses it like 5 times same with his spear mogura cuz he started to like luffy)
Katakuri is built different
W video agreed with every match up 😂
When did ace get future sight??
Ace absolutely loses to every first Commander. His Haki and AP are just too low. From what we have seen he beats Queen and Killer mid-high diff. But Marco, King, Sabo, Zoro,Ben, and Shiryu cook him pretty easy he cants put them down and hit him. He would need a Haki bloom mid fight to beat Kat or Sanji but thats absolutely were he caps. Overall Ace=Awakened Doffy
How strong do you think Hanafuda was?
I gotta disagree with that, main story Ace ain't passing none of them except Bepo and Killer and maybe Shiryu but thats it atleast in my opinion
W video👌
Also do you think Ace beats Queen And Lucci?
Sanji is not debateble ngl and Katakuri gets washed lol.
Ace beats any commander
I think Ace observation is overrated in this video and that makes a difference in the outcome.
Also, Ace vs Doffy I think is extreme diff either way.
Yeah, no. He gets folded hard by King, Zoro, etc.
Ace was capable of stalemating Sea Prism Cuffed Yamato, and somewhat clashing against a casual Aokiji thanks to his elemental advantage onky. He aint shit against modern Wano Yamato or any character worth their salt.
Fodder gets wrecked by even Katakuri, Dressrosa Luffy & Zoro.
Just know this, without the light novel, Ace is losing to every single first commander. And the light novel isnt canon. Do with that what you will.
Just know this, the authors of the light novel are not oda, sure, but were his direct assistants and he supervised the project. Details from the ace novel were brought up later as canon : the official answer to the question ''what happens when 2 people eat a devil fruit at once" was to look at what happened to ace. Its not a total canon confirmation, but some events created for the ace novel seem to have been pointed to as canon, and are completely absent from the source material. Do with that what you will.
katakuri beats ace 😂
Katakuri is made of mochi and you think he beats a man made of fire? Can’t even argue Haki since Ace is a better Haki user than Katakuri.
@@Shadowwarrior996 katakuri has more mastery on future sight
@@Shadowwarrior996How is Ace a better haki user?? Kat has advance observation, something Ace rarely show. And his Armament was better than Luffy’s armament.
He thrashes
@@kaydez-v3o debatable but even then Ace has better conquerors Haki and better armament Haki for sure.
Is Mihawk a first commander now? 😂
yea he is in the manga
@@jonathanpankey lmao is it not a partnership? 😂
So Croc is a second commander?
Ace doesn't win with anyone 😂😂😂😂😂 this is far greater than the Ultimate Zoro agenda props to you for surpassing zoro's fan boys on agendas
Wait until he finds out I don’t even like ace☠️
Ace >= Yamato actually, Heart Pirates Ace = Base Yamato, and Jimbei stated that Ace has gotten much, much stronger in WB Pirates to the point where Jimbei has absolutely no chance of defeating him
Heart pirates ace??????
@@Infinexvityhe means spade
Sabo folds Ace
Yo u got discord ?