Nah, sorry but its directly stated in the official synopsis both were using their full power. Goku was objectively not holding back and Gohans speed and power overwhelmed UI autonamous movement, which is automatic and cant be "surprised". Vegeta even is shocked and confirms as much. Basically Beast Gohan (rage boost) > MUI Goku > Beast Gohan (calm). If Gohan had followed up with another immediate attack after knocking Goku into base before he could compose himself and transform again it would be gg. Goku never had a point where he could have finished Gohan in that fight, just do some damage. Gohan is objectively stronger and faster, although Gokus UI hax and experience lets him hold am edge until Gohans rage boost gives him more than even UI hax can handle.
@@SSJRyu1 the stance at which gohan and goku were coming from in the fight tells me all we needed to know. Goku was there to test his strength and yes he was surprised, his reaction directly after, even down to his words tell us he was shocked at Gohan’s power, but directly after it Goku continued to stay ahead of him in the fight. It’s clear goku was there to push gohan to see how strong he could be. As I said, if Gohan was stronger than him, Goku would’ve made a statement about it, it’s just Goku’s character to do so and the way everything played out was as if Goku was in control due to MUI. Goku didn’t aim to win so his blows weren’t going to be fight ending hits
1. "official synopsis both were using their full power." Wrong. In a *preview* to *HYPE UP* the chapter, on a random obscure part of the DB website, they said that Goku and Gohan had an "All-out Showdown!" something like that lol It also hypes up "Who will be the victor?!?", while the chapter itself confirms this narrative to be false as there was never meant to be a victor This kind of out of story statement to hype up the chapter shouldn't be used as evidence over the literal chapter itself lol Btw in the actual chapter there's an editors note on the cover saying "Strongest Vs. Strongest!" so is the editor saying that Goku is stronger than Vegeta objectively then? Does stronger also mean they are stronger than Black Frieza? So of course, these kinds of hype up statements are not meant to be taken as hyper literal facts Also the website hyping it up as an "All-out fight" and "Who will be the victor?!?!" clearly is only meant to hype up the chapter, as within the chapter itself it is confirmed, no, its not an all-out fight and it was never about winning either. So you are just blatantly wrong on this Therefore you should go by what actually happens in the chapter, where Goku CLEARLY and DIRECTLY states that he NEVER had any intention of beating, and winning over Gohan. PER DEFINITION, if you are not actually trying to beat your opponent at any point and instead just testing them out, thats per definition holding back. Its the literal definition of Holding-back, you can't even argue with it 2. "If Gohan had followed up with another immediate attack after knocking Goku into base" Gohan didn't knock Goku to base, he de transformed. Also by this logic MUI Goku could have just speed blitzed and one shot Gohan before the fight even began, what kind of logic is this? lol Also since you spout so much misinformation, what is your answer exactly to how the fight OBJECTIVELY ended? The fight objectively ended by Goku casually overpowering Gohan like he was nothing, Gohan was so overwhelmed by this that it visibly angered him. Why is he angry? Isn't Goku weaker than him by your logic? How is Goku casually overpowering FULL POWER beast if MUI Goku is weaker? Going to answer these?
"official synopsis both were using their full power." i dont why you are relaing on synopsis when we have statement from the author via the character that goku wasnt at full power + he didnt use tui.
@@SSJRyu1 huh like Goku gold vegeta he was gonna go all out? Or when he told frost he was gonna go all out while in ss1 and how many other times has Goku stated he’s going full power
I agree with UI Goku vs Beast Gohan, people who say Gohan is outright stronger than Goku and to the point that he can one shot him, they forget that that these characters are fighting at least mftl+ so if Gohan truly was capable of one shotting Goku, he should have done over and over again since at that speed they can exchange billions of blows in a 1/10 of a second, which proves that the only reason he was able to do is because he is power took Goku by a surprise once turned it up a notch, he sorta regained control of the fight, that said I believe they’re a lot closer in power but Goku is far more skilled and has UI too.
Finally someone gets this correct. It was so monstrously obvious Goku held back against Gohan but everyone just apes about the kick. Gohan charged up so much ki he nearly went insane to catch Goku, who wasn't using UI even as well as earlier in that chapter and admit he was holding back. Since people gas up the kick, Goku's push also left a mark on Gohan's chest-which is way harder than bruising a cheek.
Because of UI, Goku looking away really shouldn’t matter. His body is supposed to be moving on its own. Lacking any concrete evidence I call it a draw lol.
I'm not going to say Goku is definitively stronger than Gohan, but people put way too much emphasis on Goku being knocked out of UI. They completely ignore the fact that Goku transformed again and was able to fight evenly with the powered up Gohan. "But going full power tired him out!" I thought Toyotaro confirmed it was a full power fight. Apparently that can only be used for the Gohan Beast agenda. They say Gohan wasn't harmed, but he was literally as injured as Goku was from his kick.
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@ THE strongest is a bit of a drag but it is implied through Whis that the strongest being in the universe wasn’t black frieza but someone else in the universe Also we can’t ignore that Gohan knocked Goku out of UI And ultimately was moving so fast to the point that Goku couldn’t react to his movements Also the fact that Toriyama said after the (SuperHero) Movie “Gohan is actually stronger than anyone, or so it’s said” before the chapter of Goku and Gohan sparring Then we get the chapter where they test his abilities and we see Gohan Blitzes Goku to the point his body couldn’t react And effectively knocks him out of UI Then he fights Base Broly and Tamed Super Saiyan Broly in his beast form and Washes BOTH FORMS The debate should be Gohan vs Frieza Until then Frieza 1a Gohan 1b Cuz Frieza has the better feat of 1 shotting Goku and Vegeta in Black Unless Goku and Vegeta have improved before fighting Gohan Also it was stated that Cell Max was stronger than an untamed Broly and that a completed Cell Max couldn’t be defeated in the universe ASSUMING* Gohan didn’t obtain Beast
7:36 comparing both Androids doesn’t show anything as the Present Androids were stated to be stronger than their future counterparts not just in canon but in multiple other guides aswell. Trunks was even stated to have surpassed Future Gohan at the point of him going back in time too so there’s that. Also it was never stated Gohan was stronger than Goku, not only does Goku literally hurt Buutenks (something Gohan just fails to do.) but in the anime was able to keep pace with him (Yes the anime is canon, Toriyama approved it as part of the story.) and it was stated multiple times Goku has been the strongest in the Buu Saga. Gohan in the ToP wasn’t even Blue Level, he had his Kamehameha tanked by Toppo. And Manga Gohan fell to a Base Goku victim in the Moro Arc and doesn’t get stronger until a new form where even then I’d place just around UI Sign Goku from the Moro Arc because Gohan didn’t get that much stronger outside a new form. Also Gohan had multiple rage amps against Goku as the sparring match makes it clear Gohan was amping himself which itself was always a sign of who was going all out and Vegeta despite seeing everything only uses Blue against Gohan so idk what to tell you. In conclusion: Goku wins 28-17.
@@SonZackSSJ9k your first point makes no sense as I literally say that the future androids are weaker a few minutes later, I need that trunks being stronger than futurehan when had that fight with goku statement (panel or daizenshu), start of ToP goku isn’t as strong as you think in comparison to the versions that appear later and Toppo stuff??? And why are we talking about the Moro arc like I didn’t say Gohan isn’t weaker than Goku😭😭😭
the video starts off on a bad note. first Gohan appearance, he clearly has a tail, he can go great ape, in fact, he did when piicolo took him after the fight. I'm not ssure you put effort in thiss video
idk if you cared to listen to what i said, but ill be happy to reiterate what i said. goku would be three times stronger than him with the rage boost, the oozaru is just a straight up downscale for gohan as his power level here went down to 1 and the rage boost never carrys over to his oozaru
Right but the great ape Goku thing makes no sense gohan also had a tail so he would also go great ape gokus power level at that point is less than 200 and gohan went over 1000 always a L take but cool
@@KingKosuu gohan power level is about 1300 the great ape multiplayer out it at about or at least 10k if it was under that piccolo wouldn’t have had to blow up the moon
@@HIMOTHY123. go back and reread it, piccolo was shocked at Gohan just randomly being really destructive and heard Raditz talking about the moon so he destroyed it. Why defeat Gohan when you can just take out the moon so it never happens again😭😭😭
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Xomt really understand what people mean. Gohan Beast seems explicity stronger than MUI goku. He literally just powers up and overcomes Ultra instinct dodging. The same way Gas and Granola did when they were stronger than him
How did the fight end? Goku completely and utterly overwhelms gohan with pure power Visibly ANGRING gohan as he just got completely overwhelmed by goku Who do you think this points to as being stronger when the fight ends like this?
@@thevipez8740he didn't overwhelm Gohan with power, he overwhelmed Gohan with the speed of Ultra Instinct. Even Vegeta makes note of this, stating that the slight margin between them is because of Ultra Instinct's evasion, to which Gohan responds with completely outspeeding UI with raw power. Gohan at his best > Goku at his best
@@righteousone5119 "he didn't overwhelm Gohan with power" If you are going to reply, I suggest you reread and have the chapter in front of you so that you can be better informed, as the fight literally ends with Goku overwhelming Gohan with pure power knocking him back completely overwhelming him. And Gohan literally gets visibly ANGRY over Goku overwhelming him completely like this so its not even arguable
"The same way Gas and Granola did when they were stronger than him" that happen even when you are on par with him, its like he gohan just didnt read at all what gohan did is not a feat for him but for goku. in that scene he was going all out rage boosted and everyting despic of that all his punch did was few scratch and make him lose his concentration.
Bro gohan one shot goku out of mui he got out speed then gohan went back down to his 50% beast mode and goku can look away cause his body do the work for him
«One shot Goku» You mean when Goku goes straight back into MUI like nothing happened and continues like nothing happened? Why are you just ignoring this LOL Also btw, why are you just completely ignoring how the fight ended? MUI Goku completely overwhelms Gohan, to the literal point that Gohan gets visibly angry LOL Goku completely overwhelmed gohan to the point of genuinely angring him, gohan did nothing comparable to that
@LegendaryChadzilla This is not realistic logic, Toyotaro only writes him going back to base to talk, in an actual fight Goku would never de transform in the middle of the fight to talk By this logic since Goku Transformed to MUI before Gohan transformed, Goku could have speed blitzed and ended gohan before the fight even begins by your own logic Of course this is not realistic, as the writer would never write it this way, but if we were to do unrealistic things like what you mentioned, then Goku could also just as easily speed blitzed and ended Gohan before he even got to transform and it would be an easy W for goku
@@thevipez8740so we're gonna ignore the fight between Whis and Goku at the start of the Granolah Arc, where the exact same thing happens? There, people can accept that Whis knocked Goku out of UI but he had the Ki and Stamina to get back into the fight, but since here, it's Gohan, people just can't seem to wrap their heads around the fact that Gohan is the strongest Z Fighter currently, so they have to do all these mental gymnastics to explain that "Goku was holding back the whole time, he can't use 100% unless he's bloodlusted, just because he was knocked out of UI doesn't mean Gohan is stronger" etc.
@@righteousone5119 1. There is no proof Gohan knocked him out of it We never actually see him losing the form, he is in the form as he gets hit away, and when he gets up instantly after to *TALK* to Gohan about Gohans full power power up he is in his base and fully conscious while talking to Gohan and makes a joking face Do you really think Goku would be: - Fully concious - Not damaged - Getting up right after like nothing happened - And making a joking face about it as it didn't even do anything You really think these *FACTS* support the claim that Gohan straight up knocked Goku out? lol Everything points to him de-transforming as it factually didn't do anything to Goku Literally compare it to what Black Frieza did and the difference is NIGHT and DAY lol 2. Goku objectively was holding back, and i dont even mean in a fight to save the planet kind of way Goku says it himself, he himself, was NEVER at any point trying to beat Gohan and win over Gohan Per definition if you aren't trying to overwhelm, beat or win over your opponent at all, you are per definition holding back, this isn't arguable While Gohan on the other hand is explicitly stated in the chapter to be using his full power, and has every reason to do so as remember, Gohan is the one being tested here. Goku is testing the extent of Gohan, not the other way around
Nah, sorry but its directly stated in the official synopsis both were using their full power. Goku was objectively not holding back and Gohans speed and power overwhelmed UI autonamous movement, which is automatic and cant be "surprised". Vegeta even is shocked and confirms as much. Basically Beast Gohan (rage boost) > MUI Goku > Beast Gohan (calm). If Gohan had followed up with another immediate attack after knocking Goku into base before he could compose himself and transform again it would be gg. Goku never had a point where he could have finished Gohan in that fight, just do some damage. Gohan is objectively stronger and faster, although Gokus UI hax and experience lets him hold am edge until Gohans rage boost gives him more than even UI hax can handle.
@@SSJRyu1 the stance at which gohan and goku were coming from in the fight tells me all we needed to know. Goku was there to test his strength and yes he was surprised, his reaction directly after, even down to his words tell us he was shocked at Gohan’s power, but directly after it Goku continued to stay ahead of him in the fight. It’s clear goku was there to push gohan to see how strong he could be. As I said, if Gohan was stronger than him, Goku would’ve made a statement about it, it’s just Goku’s character to do so and the way everything played out was as if Goku was in control due to MUI. Goku didn’t aim to win so his blows weren’t going to be fight ending hits
Goku saying the fights over n instantly pushing gohan back without breaking a sweat in question
1. "official synopsis both were using their full power."
Wrong.
In a *preview* to *HYPE UP* the chapter, on a random obscure part of the DB website, they said that Goku and Gohan had an "All-out Showdown!" something like that lol
It also hypes up "Who will be the victor?!?", while the chapter itself confirms this narrative to be false as there was never meant to be a victor
This kind of out of story statement to hype up the chapter shouldn't be used as evidence over the literal chapter itself lol
Btw in the actual chapter there's an editors note on the cover saying "Strongest Vs. Strongest!" so is the editor saying that Goku is stronger than Vegeta objectively then? Does stronger also mean they are stronger than Black Frieza?
So of course, these kinds of hype up statements are not meant to be taken as hyper literal facts
Also the website hyping it up as an "All-out fight" and "Who will be the victor?!?!" clearly is only meant to hype up the chapter, as within the chapter itself it is confirmed, no, its not an all-out fight and it was never about winning either. So you are just blatantly wrong on this
Therefore you should go by what actually happens in the chapter, where Goku CLEARLY and DIRECTLY states that he NEVER had any intention of beating, and winning over Gohan.
PER DEFINITION, if you are not actually trying to beat your opponent at any point and instead just testing them out, thats per definition holding back. Its the literal definition of Holding-back, you can't even argue with it
2. "If Gohan had followed up with another immediate attack after knocking Goku into base"
Gohan didn't knock Goku to base, he de transformed. Also by this logic MUI Goku could have just speed blitzed and one shot Gohan before the fight even began, what kind of logic is this? lol
Also since you spout so much misinformation, what is your answer exactly to how the fight OBJECTIVELY ended? The fight objectively ended by Goku casually overpowering Gohan like he was nothing, Gohan was so overwhelmed by this that it visibly angered him. Why is he angry? Isn't Goku weaker than him by your logic? How is Goku casually overpowering FULL POWER beast if MUI Goku is weaker? Going to answer these?
"official synopsis both were using their full power." i dont why you are relaing on synopsis when we have statement from the author via the character that goku wasnt at full power + he didnt use tui.
@@SSJRyu1 huh like Goku gold vegeta he was gonna go all out? Or when he told frost he was gonna go all out while in ss1 and how many other times has Goku stated he’s going full power
I agree with UI Goku vs Beast Gohan, people who say Gohan is outright stronger than Goku and to the point that he can one shot him, they forget that that these characters are fighting at least mftl+ so if Gohan truly was capable of one shotting Goku, he should have done over and over again since at that speed they can exchange billions of blows in a 1/10 of a second, which proves that the only reason he was able to do is because he is power took Goku by a surprise once turned it up a notch, he sorta regained control of the fight, that said I believe they’re a lot closer in power but Goku is far more skilled and has UI too.
Finally someone gets this correct. It was so monstrously obvious Goku held back against Gohan but everyone just apes about the kick. Gohan charged up so much ki he nearly went insane to catch Goku, who wasn't using UI even as well as earlier in that chapter and admit he was holding back. Since people gas up the kick, Goku's push also left a mark on Gohan's chest-which is way harder than bruising a cheek.
Because of UI, Goku looking away really shouldn’t matter. His body is supposed to be moving on its own. Lacking any concrete evidence I call it a draw lol.
that shows his level of mastery of it, only strengthening my argument
I'm not going to say Goku is definitively stronger than Gohan, but people put way too much emphasis on Goku being knocked out of UI. They completely ignore the fact that Goku transformed again and was able to fight evenly with the powered up Gohan. "But going full power tired him out!" I thought Toyotaro confirmed it was a full power fight. Apparently that can only be used for the Gohan Beast agenda. They say Gohan wasn't harmed, but he was literally as injured as Goku was from his kick.
Even though I don't really agree at the end, I think this video was hella fun to watch. You should think about Vegeta too; it could be really cool!
i intended it to be about vegeta too, but i wanna see how daima plays out
This is a fun way of comparing characters. You should do this for more characters.
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Goku’s faster & more skilled, but Gohan was keeping up with Goku via raw power.
Gohan might not win the fight, but in a beam clash he’d probably win.
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Beast Gohan ❎ Least Fraudhan ✅
Gohan is currently the strongest
STATEMENTS AND FEATS SUPPORT THIS
where?
@ THE strongest is a bit of a drag but it is implied through Whis that the strongest being in the universe wasn’t black frieza but someone else in the universe
Also we can’t ignore that Gohan knocked Goku out of UI
And ultimately was moving so fast to the point that Goku couldn’t react to his movements
Also the fact that Toriyama said after the (SuperHero) Movie “Gohan is actually stronger than anyone, or so it’s said” before the chapter of Goku and Gohan sparring
Then we get the chapter where they test his abilities and we see Gohan Blitzes Goku to the point his body couldn’t react
And effectively knocks him out of UI
Then he fights Base Broly and Tamed Super Saiyan Broly in his beast form and Washes BOTH FORMS
The debate should be Gohan vs Frieza
Until then Frieza 1a Gohan 1b
Cuz Frieza has the better feat of
1 shotting Goku and Vegeta in Black
Unless Goku and Vegeta have improved before fighting Gohan
Also it was stated that Cell Max was stronger than an untamed Broly
and that a completed Cell Max couldn’t be defeated in the universe
ASSUMING* Gohan didn’t obtain Beast
Also this off topic as you compared all forms of Gohan and Goku
7:36 comparing both Androids doesn’t show anything as the Present Androids were stated to be stronger than their future counterparts not just in canon but in multiple other guides aswell. Trunks was even stated to have surpassed Future Gohan at the point of him going back in time too so there’s that.
Also it was never stated Gohan was stronger than Goku, not only does Goku literally hurt Buutenks (something Gohan just fails to do.) but in the anime was able to keep pace with him (Yes the anime is canon, Toriyama approved it as part of the story.) and it was stated multiple times Goku has been the strongest in the Buu Saga.
Gohan in the ToP wasn’t even Blue Level, he had his Kamehameha tanked by Toppo. And Manga Gohan fell to a Base Goku victim in the Moro Arc and doesn’t get stronger until a new form where even then I’d place just around UI Sign Goku from the Moro Arc because Gohan didn’t get that much stronger outside a new form.
Also Gohan had multiple rage amps against Goku as the sparring match makes it clear Gohan was amping himself which itself was always a sign of who was going all out and Vegeta despite seeing everything only uses Blue against Gohan so idk what to tell you.
In conclusion: Goku wins 28-17.
@@SonZackSSJ9k your first point makes no sense as I literally say that the future androids are weaker a few minutes later, I need that trunks being stronger than futurehan when had that fight with goku statement (panel or daizenshu), start of ToP goku isn’t as strong as you think in comparison to the versions that appear later and Toppo stuff??? And why are we talking about the Moro arc like I didn’t say Gohan isn’t weaker than Goku😭😭😭
Nice one agreed Goku wins
4:44 there's no telling how much that attack would have damaged 3rd form frieza
it damaged him but not by a great amount
@@KingKosuu bruv it caused him to have to deflec the attack rather than tank it like he did during the previous assault from gohan.
@@SuperKamiGuruuokay, what do you want me to do with this info? Do you disagree with the outcome of that portion of the video?
the video starts off on a bad note. first Gohan appearance, he clearly has a tail, he can go great ape, in fact, he did when piicolo took him after the fight. I'm not ssure you put effort in thiss video
idk if you cared to listen to what i said, but ill be happy to reiterate what i said. goku would be three times stronger than him with the rage boost, the oozaru is just a straight up downscale for gohan as his power level here went down to 1 and the rage boost never carrys over to his oozaru
POV Goku riders crying that Goku lost 1 time
Pov: Gohan Riders crying that Gohan lost 1 time
@ faxxxx
Gohan beast literally just won @@Berlinh2
@@DawnChaser-ynwon???? It was a brief sparring session
Gohan riders when Gohan fight someone isn't named cell
We're cooked fr
So current goku>current Gohan
Right but the great ape Goku thing makes no sense gohan also had a tail so he would also go great ape gokus power level at that point is less than 200 and gohan went over 1000 always a L take but cool
Yeah but would Gohan keep the rage boost as a great ape? In the story he didn’t so🏌🏾
@ the great ape is a raging monster kinda in the name there
Great ape gohan had piccolo shitting bricks and was actually shown spamming mouth beams
@@spsfitnessstrudley7718 you do realise if goku went great ape too he'd be stronger right...
@ well no gohan was stronger than adult Goku at that point so how
7:03 namek goku might be stronger than mirai gohan.
Really?
Bro future gohan does not and I mea not beat yardrat goku ur buggin
whats your thought process on it
2:26 could gohan not just do the same???
Wdym?
@ use his ozaru form it would be stronger than kid gokus. Unless I missed something
@@HIMOTHY123. kid gokus would be around 2600, gohans would scale directly below it
@@KingKosuu gohan power level is about 1300 the great ape multiplayer out it at about or at least 10k if it was under that piccolo wouldn’t have had to blow up the moon
@@HIMOTHY123. go back and reread it, piccolo was shocked at Gohan just randomly being really destructive and heard Raditz talking about the moon so he destroyed it. Why defeat Gohan when you can just take out the moon so it never happens again😭😭😭
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Ssj3 goku slams ultimate gohan
Nope. Ultimate Gohan was giving Super Buu the breaks and Goku didn't want to fight him.
@@AmirisphereFalse, Gohan Fanboys stay lying, Goku fought Buutenks and did better than Ultimate Gohan 😂 cope
Xomt really understand what people mean. Gohan Beast seems explicity stronger than MUI goku. He literally just powers up and overcomes Ultra instinct dodging. The same way Gas and Granola did when they were stronger than him
How did the fight end?
Goku completely and utterly overwhelms gohan with pure power
Visibly ANGRING gohan as he just got completely overwhelmed by goku
Who do you think this points to as being stronger when the fight ends like this?
@@thevipez8740exactly
@@thevipez8740he didn't overwhelm Gohan with power, he overwhelmed Gohan with the speed of Ultra Instinct. Even Vegeta makes note of this, stating that the slight margin between them is because of Ultra Instinct's evasion, to which Gohan responds with completely outspeeding UI with raw power. Gohan at his best > Goku at his best
@@righteousone5119 "he didn't overwhelm Gohan with power"
If you are going to reply, I suggest you reread and have the chapter in front of you so that you can be better informed, as the fight literally ends with Goku overwhelming Gohan with pure power knocking him back completely overwhelming him. And Gohan literally gets visibly ANGRY over Goku overwhelming him completely like this so its not even arguable
"The same way Gas and Granola did when they were stronger than him" that happen even when you are on par with him, its like he gohan just didnt read at all what gohan did is not a feat for him but for goku. in that scene he was going all out rage boosted and everyting despic of that all his punch did was few scratch and make him lose his concentration.
Bro gohan one shot goku out of mui he got out speed then gohan went back down to his 50% beast mode and goku can look away cause his body do the work for him
«One shot Goku»
You mean when Goku goes straight back into MUI like nothing happened and continues like nothing happened? Why are you just ignoring this LOL
Also btw, why are you just completely ignoring how the fight ended?
MUI Goku completely overwhelms Gohan, to the literal point that Gohan gets visibly angry LOL
Goku completely overwhelmed gohan to the point of genuinely angring him, gohan did nothing comparable to that
@@thevipez8740W but if they were enemies Gohan would have killed goku once he went back to base
@LegendaryChadzilla This is not realistic logic, Toyotaro only writes him going back to base to talk, in an actual fight Goku would never de transform in the middle of the fight to talk
By this logic since Goku Transformed to MUI before Gohan transformed, Goku could have speed blitzed and ended gohan before the fight even begins by your own logic
Of course this is not realistic, as the writer would never write it this way, but if we were to do unrealistic things like what you mentioned, then Goku could also just as easily speed blitzed and ended Gohan before he even got to transform and it would be an easy W for goku
@@thevipez8740so we're gonna ignore the fight between Whis and Goku at the start of the Granolah Arc, where the exact same thing happens? There, people can accept that Whis knocked Goku out of UI but he had the Ki and Stamina to get back into the fight, but since here, it's Gohan, people just can't seem to wrap their heads around the fact that Gohan is the strongest Z Fighter currently, so they have to do all these mental gymnastics to explain that "Goku was holding back the whole time, he can't use 100% unless he's bloodlusted, just because he was knocked out of UI doesn't mean Gohan is stronger" etc.
@@righteousone5119
1. There is no proof Gohan knocked him out of it
We never actually see him losing the form, he is in the form as he gets hit away, and when he gets up instantly after to *TALK* to Gohan about Gohans full power power up he is in his base and fully conscious while talking to Gohan and makes a joking face
Do you really think Goku would be:
- Fully concious
- Not damaged
- Getting up right after like nothing happened
- And making a joking face about it as it didn't even do anything
You really think these *FACTS* support the claim that Gohan straight up knocked Goku out? lol
Everything points to him de-transforming as it factually didn't do anything to Goku
Literally compare it to what Black Frieza did and the difference is NIGHT and DAY lol
2. Goku objectively was holding back, and i dont even mean in a fight to save the planet kind of way
Goku says it himself, he himself, was NEVER at any point trying to beat Gohan and win over Gohan
Per definition if you aren't trying to overwhelm, beat or win over your opponent at all, you are per definition holding back, this isn't arguable
While Gohan on the other hand is explicitly stated in the chapter to be using his full power, and has every reason to do so as remember, Gohan is the one being tested here. Goku is testing the extent of Gohan, not the other way around
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