I actually took his blog post as a bluff. He knows people are catching on that Winds might be coming out soon, and did what he could (mentioning the publisher visit, world con news) to throw some people off the trail to not ruin the surprise! I still believe!!
Rationally there is no reason to do that. If you are close to the finishing line to your book and people are feeling it, you don't kill their hopes, that is just damaging the build up. Not saying he should be building up the hype, just that if he is actually close to be done he shouldn't be saying anything about the matter, let people theorize and build momentum.
George “guys seriously, don’t read anything into this, I will tell you when Winds is done” ASOIAF fans scribbling furiously on a piece of paper “fuck what’s that mean!??! What’s that mean?!?? Oh my god where’s Marlor! Did Maelor have Winds?!?” Thanks for the cope though, was a rough blog post to read. 😢
Guys, I think it’s time you all faced the truth, we are never getting either Winds or Dreams. I genuinely don’t believe he is that interested in finishing the story or conversely I don’t think he is capable of salvaging it. Everyone needs to just accept we will never know what happens in the books and he also ruined the show by not giving it an ending to adapt. It’s time to move on.
Hopium that is actually Legit : Remember the latest blog of “Words of Wisdom” with Theodore Roosevelt ???? Funny thing, Theodore Roosevelt was born on October 27th. Guess when the new edition is releasing?? - OCTOBER!
Would be a big announcement to have it at the end of the last episode of HOTD Season 2. They could tease during the last week that there is a big announcement by GRRM at the end of the episode and to make sure to tune in to see it.
The main point of the post is that he hasnt finished it and that he would announce it in a big form if he did, and wouldnt be dropping hints like you think he is doing. Omg, In 5 years the book might me done. He still has a lot to write.
@williamhermann6635 Hardly upstaging the show. Have you seen the latest episodes, not great 🤦♂️. Also, what better way to keep the audience invested in the GOT universe during another 2 year wait for season 3?
GRRM: coughs These guys: before everyone knew Joffrey was poisoned and dying, he started coughing, this is Martins tribute to where the series has come from just before he is going to reveal the WINDS OF WINTER
Just imagine....the last episode of HOTD season 2 ends, it cuts to black and then a text appears on the screen 'Winter is Coming'. I would, to put it mildly, die. (And I'm aware this ain't gonna happen but just imagine)
And then it's revealed that this whole time martin has been working on a history of the stark kings before the targaryen conquest and winds hasn't even been started yet.
@@idawg7332then he denounces Dance of Dragons the book as canon and he needs to rewrite and rework the storyline. Until I see the actual book in my hand I won’t believe it’s ever releasing.
probaly means they are telling Georgie too hurry up put a timeline on winds next year maybe thats what I think hes visiting the publishers too give them updates doesnt mean it will be soon
The Emmys use a non calendar year qualifying window - so only shows that were finished airing by May 31st qualify for the 2024 Emmys. So HOTD S2 won’t compete for Best Drama until September 2025. I hope we don’t have to wait that long for an announcement, haha! Also, The Bear (counter intuitively) competes as a comedy. So wouldn’t be head-to-head with HOTD in any category.
The Emmy cycle was actually the reason why most GOT seasons came out in April. They wanted it to be the last big show everyone watched and had fresh in their minds right before the deadline and voting. Same reason that was when Succession’s final seasons came out.
I mean... to be fair I'm pretty sure that George has said something to the effect of "word won't trickle out, there will be a big announcement" in the past. (Also these editions look amazing)
16:57 That's ironic considering Wyverns are DRAGONS WITH 2 LEGS AND 2 WINGS...............the very distinction George was pointing out with the changes the show made to the heraldry of House Targaryen. There's even an interview with George and the actress that played Shae where he mentions how his Dragons have 2 wings and 2 legs because that's how it is in nature as there's no winged beast in nature with a separate set of arms and wings, which is important to George cause it grounds his Dragons more in reality.
"'The book is the book, the film is the film,' they will tell you, as if they were saying something profound. Then they make the story their own. They never make it better, though. Nine hundred ninety-nine times out of a thousand, they make it worse." - GRRM
Hey, I’m back as far as you guys saying that house of the Dragon is going to win best drama. It’s possible the bear is definitely in the running for that as well but don’t sleep on fallout do not sleep on that at all. That was an amazing show that nobody’s talking about right now because we all binged it but I feel like that show is going to sweep up some Emmys
Is anyone clear on whether the boxset is hardcover or paperback? It certainly looks paperback in the promo photo, but I'd assume they wouldn't change the cover style for Winds of Winter without reprinting the first 5 books in that same style in both hardcover and paperback (much like they did for the first 4 after ADWD). If these are hardcover it's an instant buy lol, I don't need new copies of these books but I need Winds of Winter to match them on my shelf XD
Crazy thought unrelated but what are the chances bron ben plumb is reagar the tapastries in darry are of regars and thats why tyrion recognized plum immediately, blood raven even dressed in purple for the black fire tourney que
I hear what you are saying... however, they are actually wyverns. That said, if you check the dictionary definition of "wyvern", you will find that it literally describes them as "a winged, two legged DRAGON." So...
Didn't they ask him to fill out the same application as everyone else and for whatever reason he didn't? It's only fair that anyone wanting a slot at a convention has to go through the same process to get the slots. I tend to like George, but if you are requested to fill out an application, just do it.
If and when 'Winds' is released, people would like to see that on the big screen. The 'GOT' actors have aged a bit, but in all honesty, they could adapt into an animated series with the original actors voicing the characters... Cause what is the point of HoTD and KotSK when all we want is the original story finished.
They will probably end up remaking the entire GOT series after the Dream Of Spring release, which by then would have a whole new generation of actors to choose from
The new box set is nothing more than his publishers trying to make money, they're waiting on Winds just as long as us. I won't be purchasing it myself, the artwork looks amazing, but it's an unfinished series lmao
Here’s my insane theory and an observation. I think he totally told D&D the ending. When he saw the backlash he had to start doing re-writes and he doesn’t know how to get where the story has to go. …and a quick observation, every single time he has a project coming up he “teases” that WoW is done or almost done. It stirs the fan base and gets him attention. He then talks about his upcoming project before telling the fans that WoW will be done when it’s done and we’re all seeing things that aren’t there.
What part of the ending do u believe grrm told d&d? The seeds have already been sown for the demise of kings landing and it definitely isn’t with dany and drogon lol
@@Sam_Martyn I think the ending of the show was extremely close to the ending GRRM was going to use in the books. I think he saw the backlash and dissatisfaction from the fan base and decided he needed to do rewrites. Only now, he’s stuck. I honestly don’t think they’ll ever be anymore GoT books.
There is a lot of the ending that doesn’t work or apply with the book with the characters alive and not included in the show. I’m sure it’s not terribly far off but most peoples issue with the ending is how rushed it all was. A lot of the specifics of it would work if given enough time to properly develop.
A lot of this is George’s fault. Who gets writers block for nearly 2 decades 🤦🏽♂️ I feel like he really needs to deliver..his legacy will be tarnished if he dies
As far as house gos George's heaviest lisfting is done regardless of the season breakdowns he wrote the whole thing and published it, then the minions expounded and they published it. Now the writers room just needs to parse through it and make the episodes, they can all ways consult George and the minions as needed, but he shouldn’t need to write anything more for this show, he still has about 12 more short stories to produce on dunk and egg, with the show coming up they’ll run out of stories to turn into seasons in like five years or so if the don’t take years off even alternating between it and house, what are the chances they just roll house of the dragon right into the black fire rebellions, george still has a 150 year spanning tome to write covering the back 9 of the targaryon dynasty which will wrap around Dunk and Egg and crescendo 17 years before game and thats still with dream on top, i don’t blame wonder con from refusing him a panel he has a lot of work to do, true his words and wisdoms are worth their weight, but it takes 12 years to finish one book with like eight others to go. I just hope he does to winds what he did to dance and feast but rather it split by location it’s split by conflict and the second half just gets labeled Dream of Spring.
Nah, if he says they’re not done they’re not done. I really wish the series would get a conclusion but I was happy to just read what he had but I’m not getting excited
This might be an unpopular opinion, but I don’t think he deserves to be at world con if he hasn’t been working on the winds of winter I know there’s rumors out there that it’s done but for the past eight years he’s been focused solely on writing shows for HBO world con is probably like screw you dude you’re not focusing on your book. You’re only focused on grabbing money from studios.
If George is upset that GoT changed something to do with the ending then honestly he should’ve either finished his story and given them an ending to adapt or kept silent. If he is upset at changes to HotD then he should’ve made sure in his contract they have to stay true to his works. I don’t like some of the changes HotD is making, I think they are actively hurting their characters and the consistency of their actions and the writing so I would agree with Martin, but you have to write it in your contract what they can change
I have not watched LOTR, only read the books, and I don't mean to be rude, but there is no question whatsoever that Tolkien would have hated the adaptations. Anybody who knows anything about the man himself or his letters is aware of that.
At this point why would world con give Martin a panel? He has not been a publishing author in a decade and a half, fake histories are not novels, so why wouldn’t they give his would be spot to an author that is planning on finishing his work?
Jesus its sad how delusional the fanbase is. He sold his soul essentially to hbo and is so caught up in making spin offs it’s more likely he’ll never finish ASOIAF than WOW coming out.
@@Sam_Martyn not even my words they are his. He’s never been a fast producer if his works. Shit, the first book was released in 96. He’s definitely being pulled away from his writing that’s just a fact.
I for one won't be buying Winds.... there is no way in hell GRRM will finish the entire story so why should I keep investing in it... he can F%^@ the straight off at this point...
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I actually took his blog post as a bluff. He knows people are catching on that Winds might be coming out soon, and did what he could (mentioning the publisher visit, world con news) to throw some people off the trail to not ruin the surprise! I still believe!!
it sounds so ridiculous. I agree.
Copium
@@atlantis5001 more like hopium lol.
lol
Rationally there is no reason to do that. If you are close to the finishing line to your book and people are feeling it, you don't kill their hopes, that is just damaging the build up. Not saying he should be building up the hype, just that if he is actually close to be done he shouldn't be saying anything about the matter, let people theorize and build momentum.
George “guys seriously, don’t read anything into this, I will tell you when Winds is done”
ASOIAF fans scribbling furiously on a piece of paper “fuck what’s that mean!??! What’s that mean?!?? Oh my god where’s Marlor! Did Maelor have Winds?!?”
Thanks for the cope though, was a rough blog post to read. 😢
Winds is in oldtown with Daeron 😔
"WRITE THAT DOWN WRITE THAT DOWN!"
Guys, I think it’s time you all faced the truth, we are never getting either Winds or Dreams. I genuinely don’t believe he is that interested in finishing the story or conversely I don’t think he is capable of salvaging it. Everyone needs to just accept we will never know what happens in the books and he also ruined the show by not giving it an ending to adapt. It’s time to move on.
give me the milk of the coppy!!!!
Hopium that is actually Legit :
Remember the latest blog of “Words of Wisdom” with Theodore Roosevelt ????
Funny thing, Theodore Roosevelt was born on October 27th.
Guess when the new edition is releasing??
- OCTOBER!
Awesome date really
Would be a big announcement to have it at the end of the last episode of HOTD Season 2. They could tease during the last week that there is a big announcement by GRRM at the end of the episode and to make sure to tune in to see it.
My exact thoughts, it would be a “big stage”.
The main point of the post is that he hasnt finished it and that he would announce it in a big form if he did, and wouldnt be dropping hints like you think he is doing. Omg, In 5 years the book might me done. He still has a lot to write.
@@sin.contenido ok but still a reveal on a season finale would be a good idea regardless if it’s this season or not
GRRM would never do that cuz he wouldnt want to upstage the show.
@williamhermann6635
Hardly upstaging the show. Have you seen the latest episodes, not great 🤦♂️. Also, what better way to keep the audience invested in the GOT universe during another 2 year wait for season 3?
GRRM: coughs
These guys: before everyone knew Joffrey was poisoned and dying, he started coughing, this is Martins tribute to where the series has come from just before he is going to reveal the WINDS OF WINTER
GRRM: farts
…
Just imagine....the last episode of HOTD season 2 ends, it cuts to black and then a text appears on the screen 'Winter is Coming'. I would, to put it mildly, die. (And I'm aware this ain't gonna happen but just imagine)
That would kill the focus on hotD. But the thought is nice 😂
And then it's revealed that this whole time martin has been working on a history of the stark kings before the targaryen conquest and winds hasn't even been started yet.
@@idawg7332that would be pretty good too tbh
@@idawg7332then he denounces Dance of Dragons the book as canon and he needs to rewrite and rework the storyline. Until I see the actual book in my hand I won’t believe it’s ever releasing.
@@mathatter9158 There's a small part of me like maybe 2 % that believe he's actually announcing it in august at that con after HOTD S2 is finished
I mean he didn’t specifically deny winds was not coming soon he just said “hey when I meet with my publishers it doesn’t usually mean something big”
probaly means they are telling Georgie too hurry up put a timeline on winds next year maybe thats what I think hes visiting the publishers too give them updates doesnt mean it will be soon
Whenever I’m down on hope I go the the kings of hopeium
The Emmys use a non calendar year qualifying window - so only shows that were finished airing by May 31st qualify for the 2024 Emmys. So HOTD S2 won’t compete for Best Drama until September 2025. I hope we don’t have to wait that long for an announcement, haha!
Also, The Bear (counter intuitively) competes as a comedy. So wouldn’t be head-to-head with HOTD in any category.
The Emmy cycle was actually the reason why most GOT seasons came out in April. They wanted it to be the last big show everyone watched and had fresh in their minds right before the deadline and voting. Same reason that was when Succession’s final seasons came out.
We are going to have to wait more that until tje 2025's Emmys
The delusion is palpable 😢
I mean... to be fair I'm pretty sure that George has said something to the effect of "word won't trickle out, there will be a big announcement" in the past.
(Also these editions look amazing)
The Bear's nominations are for season 2. Also it's in an entirely different category.
16:57 That's ironic considering Wyverns are DRAGONS WITH 2 LEGS AND 2 WINGS...............the very distinction George was pointing out with the changes the show made to the heraldry of House Targaryen. There's even an interview with George and the actress that played Shae where he mentions how his Dragons have 2 wings and 2 legs because that's how it is in nature as there's no winged beast in nature with a separate set of arms and wings, which is important to George cause it grounds his Dragons more in reality.
"'The book is the book, the film is the film,' they will tell you, as if they were saying something profound. Then they make the story their own. They never make it better, though. Nine hundred ninety-nine times out of a thousand, they make it worse." - GRRM
shogun is definitely is gonna be a competition for House of the Dragon on the Emmys
Hey, I’m back as far as you guys saying that house of the Dragon is going to win best drama. It’s possible the bear is definitely in the running for that as well but don’t sleep on fallout do not sleep on that at all. That was an amazing show that nobody’s talking about right now because we all binged it but I feel like that show is going to sweep up some Emmys
At this point I’m convinced that he holds back WoW and DoS till he dies. That would be a big announcement.
I've been thinking this cpuld be a possibility for a while now lol
Like he doesn’t want to see the audience reaction to the ending? Maybe 🤔
We are so back
I want Winds of Winter and Blood and Fire part 2
same
Is anyone clear on whether the boxset is hardcover or paperback? It certainly looks paperback in the promo photo, but I'd assume they wouldn't change the cover style for Winds of Winter without reprinting the first 5 books in that same style in both hardcover and paperback (much like they did for the first 4 after ADWD).
If these are hardcover it's an instant buy lol, I don't need new copies of these books but I need Winds of Winter to match them on my shelf XD
He absolutely knew that Words Of Wisdom post with the blue rose would get people going. He's just trolling us.
Hey hey!
I "think" we are so close to The WINDS now. Just a gut feeling. ;)
You guys are right about the dragons and wyverns, as is George, thank you
I think dragon nomenclature is only important in worlds that have multiple types of dragons, then you can differentiate if needed.
George: stopreading into it. Winds isn't finished and i still dont know when its going to be finished
Fans: SO THAT MEANS HE'S RELEASING IT SOON!!!
Winds is never getting released
Surely shogun beats HOTD at the emmys right?
Crazy thought unrelated but what are the chances bron ben plumb is reagar the tapastries in darry are of regars and thats why tyrion recognized plum immediately, blood raven even dressed in purple for the black fire tourney que
I hear what you are saying... however, they are actually wyverns.
That said, if you check the dictionary definition of "wyvern", you will find that it literally describes them as "a winged, two legged DRAGON." So...
Dragons don't exist. If an author says dragons in their universe wear lipstick and breed with donkeys they can because DRAGONS DO NOT EXIST.
Damn took me halfway through to realize that this is Jimmy stormblessed 😂😂
Didn't they ask him to fill out the same application as everyone else and for whatever reason he didn't? It's only fair that anyone wanting a slot at a convention has to go through the same process to get the slots. I tend to like George, but if you are requested to fill out an application, just do it.
The "Dragon vs Wyvern" people are so silly. That convention is JUST a DND rule -- idk why some nerds have decided to apply it to everything.
1:03 its the "Words of Wisdom" post that got people going
6:30 Its official. Hopium is not good for my head
He lied many times about the book being done, why wouldn't he do it again when it is actually done!?!?! (sarcasm)
If and when 'Winds' is released, people would like to see that on the big screen. The 'GOT' actors have aged a bit, but in all honesty, they could adapt into an animated series with the original actors voicing the characters... Cause what is the point of HoTD and KotSK when all we want is the original story finished.
They will probably end up remaking the entire GOT series after the Dream Of Spring release, which by then would have a whole new generation of actors to choose from
The new box set is nothing more than his publishers trying to make money, they're waiting on Winds just as long as us. I won't be purchasing it myself, the artwork looks amazing, but it's an unfinished series lmao
No Maelor = No Bitterbridge, they're yet to even reveal who they'v casted as Daeron anyways.
Oh is this the one we're getting in 2046? Cool
But dude... They are wyverns
Unless they’re illustrated I’m not interested in new covers. I just want winds. Lol
Why give me hope again.
Did you guys know that in game of thrones the dragons are actually wyverns? just thought you should know.
Here’s my insane theory and an observation.
I think he totally told D&D the ending. When he saw the backlash he had to start doing re-writes and he doesn’t know how to get where the story has to go.
…and a quick observation, every single time he has a project coming up he “teases” that WoW is done or almost done. It stirs the fan base and gets him attention. He then talks about his upcoming project before telling the fans that WoW will be done when it’s done and we’re all seeing things that aren’t there.
What part of the ending do u believe grrm told d&d? The seeds have already been sown for the demise of kings landing and it definitely isn’t with dany and drogon lol
@@Sam_Martyn I think the ending of the show was extremely close to the ending GRRM was going to use in the books. I think he saw the backlash and dissatisfaction from the fan base and decided he needed to do rewrites. Only now, he’s stuck. I honestly don’t think they’ll ever be anymore GoT books.
@@Sam_Martyn Bran being king is one that's been confirmed
@@DigitalInsurgent yes! And the hodor hold the door moment and shireens burning
There is a lot of the ending that doesn’t work or apply with the book with the characters alive and not included in the show. I’m sure it’s not terribly far off but most peoples issue with the ending is how rushed it all was. A lot of the specifics of it would work if given enough time to properly develop.
A lot of this is George’s fault. Who gets writers block for nearly 2 decades 🤦🏽♂️ I feel like he really needs to deliver..his legacy will be tarnished if he dies
As far as house gos George's heaviest lisfting is done regardless of the season breakdowns he wrote the whole thing and published it, then the minions expounded and they published it. Now the writers room just needs to parse through it and make the episodes, they can all ways consult George and the minions as needed, but he shouldn’t need to write anything more for this show, he still has about 12 more short stories to produce on dunk and egg, with the show coming up they’ll run out of stories to turn into seasons in like five years or so if the don’t take years off even alternating between it and house, what are the chances they just roll house of the dragon right into the black fire rebellions, george still has a 150 year spanning tome to write covering the back 9 of the targaryon dynasty which will wrap around Dunk and Egg and crescendo 17 years before game and thats still with dream on top, i don’t blame wonder con from refusing him a panel he has a lot of work to do, true his words and wisdoms are worth their weight, but it takes 12 years to finish one book with like eight others to go. I just hope he does to winds what he did to dance and feast but rather it split by location it’s split by conflict and the second half just gets labeled Dream of Spring.
He should have never sold creative control
Nah, if he says they’re not done they’re not done. I really wish the series would get a conclusion but I was happy to just read what he had but I’m not getting excited
This might be an unpopular opinion, but I don’t think he deserves to be at world con if he hasn’t been working on the winds of winter I know there’s rumors out there that it’s done but for the past eight years he’s been focused solely on writing shows for HBO world con is probably like screw you dude you’re not focusing on your book. You’re only focused on grabbing money from studios.
He is warging into his past self to write the first books now so it will take time
The cover part is delusion, books never have just one cover. Asiago has countless editions in countless laguanges that mean nothing
The series will not be finished, he will not survive the book series.
lol. This book won’t be released until he passes. Why? He doesn’t want Internet children mad at him for the decisions he makes.
Just give up. It's never coming out. He's stopped writing it.
This level of delusion will only increase the mental anguish and insanity the the asoiaf has been for the past 10 years. It's over
i clicked fast
If George is upset that GoT changed something to do with the ending then honestly he should’ve either finished his story and given them an ending to adapt or kept silent. If he is upset at changes to HotD then he should’ve made sure in his contract they have to stay true to his works. I don’t like some of the changes HotD is making, I think they are actively hurting their characters and the consistency of their actions and the writing so I would agree with Martin, but you have to write it in your contract what they can change
It's never coming
I have not watched LOTR, only read the books, and I don't mean to be rude, but there is no question whatsoever that Tolkien would have hated the adaptations. Anybody who knows anything about the man himself or his letters is aware of that.
Come on he will not finish winds of winter.he has lost his motivation to write it anymore.hope he proves me wrong,but we shall see
At this point why would world con give Martin a panel? He has not been a publishing author in a decade and a half, fake histories are not novels, so why wouldn’t they give his would be spot to an author that is planning on finishing his work?
Jesus its sad how delusional the fanbase is. He sold his soul essentially to hbo and is so caught up in making spin offs it’s more likely he’ll never finish ASOIAF than WOW coming out.
Everybody knows that.
If he was as involved as you believe we would have a better season 2. He’s definitely been focused on writing primarily this past couple years
@@Sam_Martyn not even my words they are his. He’s never been a fast producer if his works. Shit, the first book was released in 96. He’s definitely being pulled away from his writing that’s just a fact.
I for one won't be buying Winds.... there is no way in hell GRRM will finish the entire story so why should I keep investing in it... he can F%^@ the straight off at this point...