What Monster Hunters Lance was 18 years ago...
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- Опубликовано: 30 июн 2024
- For the longest time I never really understood the lance weapon. But now, it's time to share with you my experience with this weapon throughout each generation of Monster Hunter.
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00:00 The Lance weapons
00:37 Experience with the weapon
01:05 What's wrong with Lance?
01:43 Generation 1
04:03 Generation 2
04:23 Generation 3
05:49 Generation 4
07:14 Monster Hunter Gen U
11:08 Monster Hunter World: Iceborne
13:00 Monster Hunter Rise Sunbreak
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been a lance main since freedom unite, still don’t understand how people can think this weapon is boring, it’s very engaging to always be in front of the monster doing constant damage
Sounds like db
I mainly use lance and sns. I like to block when i am in a bad situation. If the monster is a heavy and tanky monster like the diablos, i use the lance. If it is a fast monster like the nargacuga, i use sns.
I have always been offput by the evades, my brain just doesn't brain with them.
It's literally the same gameplay in the beginning "how did we turn from this" blocking and poking "to this" blocking and poking but with spirit bug"
If they let you ride a palamute while using lance, instant +40% player usage. Just sayin, lemme be a KNIGHT
As a Lance main since 3/Tri i can say that it looks boring on the surface but as you power through moves you normally have to evade and proceed to bully the monster with perfect counters and satisfying precision then you start to love it a bit more each time you use it 🙂
As i do admit countering is the best feeling ever and never gets old, unfortunately since all weapons have a counter does take away the joy. But lance is probably the most satisfying outside of maybe gs and cb
Poking gang rise up
Aye aye
Poke Poke Poke Poke Poke Poke Poke Poke
Yay, gunlance….. anybody…
@@sniiiper3d645 I would If I could my dude, but unfortunately my brain don't connect, but you are always welcomed to join and whoever masters it deserves a medal
@@thebuddah1253we up
I discovered the Monster Hunter series with World.
I looked the weapons and I saw this lance, I have always plays tank or character focused on absolute defense and survival in all my games because my shield is my religion... So i chose to play lance and since I never even felt like trying something else. i will play lance on everything monster hunter in future, present or pass because i'm a lance's guy in my soul!
*ace lancer crying in happiness*
How did we go from this: Guy using lance normally and accurately
To this: swinging lance in the air
Actually historically evade lance was even earlier in generation 2 and the narga evade plus set. Nargacuga gear would allow both LL and GL to backhop through literally anything, and was a strong moveset worth mastering. You'd see LL/GL mains not even sheathing their weapon and instead turning around to backhop INTO the monster.
The weapon that I Tried as a Joke one day with a friend.
Now all my builds are Defense-offensive guard based with the lance.
Lance mains in early generations deserve respect
Not necessarily. In FU it was known for its shieldpoke (it wasn't good even back then, but casual players used it because it was safe 99% of the time and would very slowly and reliably kill monsters if you weren't good at the game). Nowadays because comboing is always an option the shieldpoke is practically unused and most people seem to forget it exists.
And in MH1 it was known as the easiest weapon to use to headlock the largest number of monsters (headlocking is where you stagger a monster by hitting its weakpoint, generally its head, and then as soon as it recovers you hit the damage threshold to stagger it again, effectively trapping it in place until your sharpness goes down or it does; notably in World this once again became extremely easy to do with Lance on Kushala).
After being a longtime Charge Blade main, I have recently picked up the Lance in MHW. It's amazing and I'm absolutely falling in love with the weapon. I got inspired to use it after playing MHN, believe it or not. 😂 I don't know if I would call it my favorite yet, but I know that I can't stop using it. 😀
Same! Charge blade is my main go to weapon when I'm drunk or struggling in a fight.
I avoided lance at first because it was "unpopular and easy," but I feel the people saying that haven't really given the time to figure it out. It's so fast and fun, and as simple as the shield advance is, is the coolest looking move in the game for me
Lance was always my main weapon, and I only switched from it when the gunlance came out in the second game. Besides those two, my other go to is the heavy bowgun👍
It's refreashing to see someone who doesn't use the same 3 weapons as everyone else
I started 3U with LS, because was the only weapon I gave the choice (noob mentality I guess), and I was terrible, I couldn't clear a quest without help. I didn't understand many of the game mechanics. I got better thanks to my friend, but it took me a lot of concentration to kill my first barroth alone. As soon as I got to high rank I learned hammer, and every game after that I've always learned and used other weapons, but many people stick to the same ones everytime. For rise my main was gunlance, and for sun break the lance. I have never fallen in love with a weapon until I played the lance.
In Gen 1 on PS2 the lance was wildly popular, *mostly* because of plate farming and the fact that if you timed it just right you could stunlock Rathalos with it while playing online.
I started playing lance at the end of base rise and it's actually really fun. I wont main it but it'll stay in my top 5 weapons
People don't use Lance because they also think it's a low dps weapon.
Lance can have the highest dps of any weapon because the shield can give you virtually no downtime.
In MH1 and 2 the lance was king. Its hard to use but if you got one that did enough damage you could indefinitely head lock "filcch " till they were dead. Long as they could be flinched. All you have to do was upward thrust 3 times back step wait like 1/2 sec and repeat and mob couldn't even do anything. You just have the other players focus on cutting off parts and if tail was cut off it would break the chain but you just put them back into it.
I just wish that Capcom had made the perfect counter in Rise be able to animation cancel like evading does, and the weapon would have been perfect. Being able to triple poke into perfect counter would have been chefs kiss
Massive props for using Kiseki music in the intro
Lance looks boring on the outside but theres a lot going on when playing the weapon. It doesnt have a lot of pizazz but positioning and knowing what attacks are guardable is crucial. Once you get the rhythm down you can just power through most of whatever the monster throws at you.
Lance is always like going 1v1 on a close fist fight with a lizard, dam its good to poke and block between them legs.
I will say a fun/funny part about Lance is when trying to figure out what is guardable, like I did Narwa for the first time last night and with every attack it threw for the first time I'm just like "Maybe I'll survive this"...results varied 🤣
What's boring about : poke -> poke -> poke -> dash -> poke -> poke -> poke -> dash?
Besides everything?
I started maining Lance bc you basically just point at the monster and say "I wanna break that part now" and you just poke that part.
Real true
If i remember lance meta in icebourne lance wanted both elemental and raw so high raw weapons with at least a lil element would beat out pure raw weapons
Iceborne Meta for Lance was raw
@invincaspartan pretty sure it was match up based but this could of changed around the brachy fatalis era i was burnt out around that time
So idk what those monsters changed for lance
I cannot put down lance after Rise's instablock skill, that shit is too good and amazing, you dont have to feel like a guard 5 punching bag for lategame monsters
Well, that's why the rampage skill gaurdbash exists. You can just hold shield and profit😎 especially risen shagaru.
Maki I don’t even realize this was you.! The new pic Threw me off.! Nice new Profile pic.! Also lance in try is freaking amazing.! Got to love the hop back 3 poke repeat.!!
Yeah, I like Lance Weapon, but please make a video about Gunlance too...🙂😏
I skipped generations and I never used lance until rise, oh boi I didn't know they take so many moves from GU. That was pretty cool!
With world, i've discovered a new universe by using lance. It is now my fav weapon to play, and everytime i met a monster that is stronger than me, i just have to pick my lance to simply win the quest
I played Lance after DB and i loved them. What i most like is the easy handling. No complicated Combos and I will main it in Wilds again. i just jope not to many moves comes with the new lance and no wirebug or clutch claw.
really good video, for the next one like that could you do it on the SnS ?
Having started with the Lance back on 3U and changing it to the HH, I find myself enjoying the Lance a lot overall.
other weapon: we are evolving!
lance: i am old but still can kick a bucket!
haha classic . Memories. Thank you for this. lance was always my favourite
Lance players are really reliable
All three of us that is 😂
Him calling Lance as the "Lance Weapon" for some reason feels heavier than lifting the weapon itself in the game...
The lance was my last used weapon in MHW (my first game), nos it's my most confort and reliable weapon of the blademaster. In rise the weapon spot on the top 3 ones, aside Charge Blade and Hunting Horn.
Great vídeo dood, there's q lot lot of heart into it!!
I think its the player base's fault too. A lot of them called it the most boring weapon of all and somehow the devs caught wind of it. Im happy that its kinda mainstream now tho, because theres always knights with lances that goes around fighting dragons in most fairy tales of old
it's the least played weapon in rise :V
I loved adept style in GU, so when i seen they were bringing it back in rise as insta block I was so on board, to me perfect parrying is the most satisfying way to play and its hard for me to go back to games prior to GU and still want to play lance over other weapons
Adept greatsword is like a high you can never come down from
A few notes:
In mh1 specific more than rest old gen lance was really strong because of a bug calculating the formula wrong similar to sns in freedom 1
Lance in tri was very good. Too tier in fact.
So good they felt the need to nerf it immediately afterwards
In mhw iceborn despite the stronger emphasis on element they tried to go with in the expansion for whatever bizarre reason they nerfed the element% of damage lance did per hit from base world.
No idea why it seemed as random and arbitrary as nerfing dragon piercer which was already niche at that point compared to element bow.
In generation i like to use guild style lance with status effect lances, since the 3 hit finisher will rapidly build up status effect.
Lance was fun too in frontier, we got 4x poke, 4x back hop, higher upper trust, stamina, attack & heal buff, guard backhop, instaguard, running with unsheated lance, and absolute fortress guard with ammo
Y'know with a game as insane as Frontier (particularly during the Z period) I'm curious how a weapon like lance was adapted to be more flashy and extreme
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Extreme gave it; an area wide guard with a cooldown, a 360 degree (with Guard/fortification +2 and the Guard up Zenith skill) strong/power guard, “stocks” gained by blocking that could be consumed to heal, grant mega juice effect, and give an attack buff.
There are also the almighty reflect and obscurity skills: reflect would damage a monster when you blocked an attack (the 3rd level with the Zenith boost has a motion value of 68 iirc) while obscurity increases attack and affinity on successful guards (being knocked down takes the buff away)
Extreme lance is pretty neat in frontier, I use it alongside Swaxe F for grinding out lower tier Zenith Monsters.
Given even the lowest total number of players from Rise/Sunbreak, (from which the current popularity statistics are derived) 3% is still approximately 675,000 Lance users. It's definitely not a "few" in a general sense. It's only "few" in a statistical sense compared to, say, Long Sword.
There were approximately 4.9 MILLION Long Sword users.
Also obligatory ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWAH
Lance was the last weapon I learned out of all the weapons and it pretty much instantly became one of my top 3 favorite weapons.
I understand people sleep on it just like I did but man, y’all are missing out
as a main lance user on Sunbreak i got teary after watched this video :')
Lance has been one of, if not the most OP blademaster weapon at least once every gen.
G1: MH Lance was THE weapon.
G2: FU Para Lance + Flashbomb spam kept most monsters locked.
G3: Tri Hoppy Lance could evade through anything mindlessly and still maintain high dps.
G4: GU Striker is OP and Adept is not close behind.
G5: SB Embolden+Heaven Sent makes you unkillable and gives you top 5 blademaster dps.
i miss the old metal lance designs
I mean you can litteraly still play it, just spam the poke button, that's it
@@daethmer7834 visual designs and game play mechanics are two different things my guy.
you mean the starter metal lance?
@@nekomancer4641 of the older games before World, the knightly looking ones instead of the generic modern style World has.
@@andylastname566he shown the old style metal lance in the video. That's rly the only one of pure metal construction that's missing in World iirc.
I mained lance in MH3, now a IG main since MH4, but I always have a pocket lance for aggressive monsters with huge aoe attacks.
i mean, you still block and stab, just with style.
look at the transformation SnS, LS, and GS went through.
fundamentally, we still just poke
11:17 Alchemy Lance has omni dirrectional guard dash.
in double cross?
@@dhshhdhdhdhshsje yea
@@hcrdfju4954 cool I will try it out
Lance was one of my main weapons back in Tri and it carried me through most of the game. I barely touched it during Gen 4, but now in Sunbreak I've picked it up again. Is actually very fun, even if it's damage is not as crazy as other weapons.
Tri lance is very good
its because of frontier. there's your answer. have fun.
Lol
You gotta make more lore videos like the Scarlett mystery man
Beatiful video
I used to main lance in MH tri… good old times
I've only ever used heavy bowgun after watching this video im gonna give lance a try
The fact you didn't show the black dragon Lance headlocking and going toe to toe with Fatalis, a monster no one online at the time could even fight without being 1 shot with melee weapons in the first game is a massive disservice. The weapon was so busted that they needed all the other game iterations to smear its name!
On a more serious note, its just a precise, defensive weapon in a game people already devised ways of being one or both of those but better.
HBG shield just a walking, comfy tank that can freely aim and do BIG dmg.
Sticky is an opening machine and satisfying just popping things in the face.
Gunlance having the meaty shield with all the complexities of shelling, the comfort of not having to bring traditional blademaster skills and the flashiness lacking in Lance.
Lance is prob like middle of the pack for me. Bottom is prob hammer for similar main reasons I mentioned. SNS just because FC can be annoying to fight certain monsters at times where you need a really sweaty weapon to get the job done (dual blades vs alatreon comes to mind. Thats in the context of multiplayer with new people that brought like a safi shatter weapon and can't even be helped to just live long enough for the explosion in the first place)
Okay but what layered armor is that on the beginning?
Aaaaa the lance... Poking your enemy to death... Wonder what the new monster hunter will feel like... For all the weapon... Really wish capcom take what best for all generations and put it in one. It actually sad how some will not play generation ult or rise/sunbreak because its different...😅
But then we have people that will only play Gen Ult or Sunbreak... because they're different. It's the beauty of having so many different games. I rarely touch World (relative to my time on 3u, Gu, and Sunbreak) because Capcom has been kind enough to bless us with different games, all of great quality, with different mechanics. Although I've at least given every game enough time to beat low rank village (and I don't dislike any MH game, aside from 1st gen lol)
@@lux_less true that, gen 1 is clunky but i still poured 1500+ hour into it when it came out 😆. it just weird to me when people wish the game to stay the same without evolving in some way, what kind of madness is that 😅
Yeah. I love all the evolving, for sure! I personally don't understand people wanting the same basic thing, but I do understand having preferences. Hopefully we keep getting the current archetype of "grounded" game followed by an experimental one (4u then gu... world then rise) so that everyone is happy. There was this great video on MH Dos (and the franchise as a whole) that used this icecream analogy that, while mint is what the franchise is true to, the more chocolate that's added the better it sells.@@soulezwan266
@@lux_less yeah I also think evolution makes better the franchise, thanks to that, we can enjoy the lance more than ever. World is extremely boring to me, so even though I tried, I couldn't come back to it after having played rise, even though I can with any other mh game I have. I don't want the next monster hunter to be like a world 2.0, which I have the opinion that it won't, there are just so many people that are very toxically fanatic about that game while at the same time grounding rise.
Great video. Sadly, I too found lance weapons boring in the early generations. Now it's my weapon of choice.
Like you in the first generations I used Great Sword and Long Sword, the most used weapons, because they gave the feeling of high damage. Well they do high damage.
If I could go back I would play lance, i just didn't understand how lance weapon worked. I considered the poke attack really weak but now seeing the damage numbers displayed in MH: World I understand that it was actually really good. Also now i like the counter attack and the ability to jump while front charging to do jump damage really make it more accessible.
Ill tell you how - every action series is slowly turning into Devil May Cry, lol. Look at the new FF. By 2030 every action game will converge into the same hack and slash, quick combat formula.
This video reminds me of when i first started using the Gunlance in MH4U. Hard to adjust to but when you do, it is SO overpowered it's sort of hilarious. Only the explodey boy, what's its name again...? Gave me any trouble.
I've noticed that too, they're probably trying to get rid of down times in combat. I believe they managed to do a pretty good job with taking off down times in Frontier Z. And they tried to do that with sunbreak when they added counters, but it didn't get the same results.
tbf FF16's combat director is the same director for DMC5 lmao
Well dmc is peak.
@@marcusaaronliaogo9158 but the problem is not everything is DMC, If I want to play DMC combat just play DMC, every other copy cat is subtier
But Frontier is the most DMC of them all. Isn't it?
Stab, Stab, Stab, Parry, Stab, Stab, Charged Stab, side doge, Stab, Charged Stab, Parry, Fail, Block, Sheath, Run, Heal, Flex, Repeat.
I'm glad they learned through GU that some flash and coolness is important for the lance. Sunbreak Lance is far from incredible, but it is so much more well thought through than ever before. *Rubs my core drill*
funnily enough, i felt it didn't need flashiness. It was just a simple weapon, simple attacks worked fine.
As a half Lance Main(I use GS too a lot), I wonder what they'll do with Lance's moveset in MH6. MHW and Rise's iterations of Lance feel so refined but imo they haven't felt as flashy as it did in Generations, I wondering if it'll change much in the next game(prolly not)
Me playing Lance in FU cuz I heard it was op back then.
Now I'm full Lance main.
Played a bit Lance on Gen1 (PS2), found it hard.
Played it again in World, fell in love.
If you showed me current Lance gameplay back when I was playing 4u, I would've assumed that was God Eater; holy cow.
Anyone know the song that plays at the end during the rise section right after he mentions making elemental lances
Soaratorium Theme sad version, or alt version
Evasion+7 00 👀👀? Anyone?
YESSSSSSSS
Wait, the bgm at the intro, it's Zero Break Battle from Tails into Reverie.
I was a main bow/Ls since 3rd gen and usually dipping on other weapons like gs duals swaxe hammer and finally lance. This one has mever been close to be my main sincer tri/gu for the womderful combat underwater, but in rise is my comfy place, no other weapon gives me this security when i face a challenge, and its fun like most of the other weapons
Proud lancer since the very first game.
Sometimes I cheat on it with its sister the gunlance but don't tell it.
GU and Sunbreak are the best versions of Lance imo, the perfect guard is simply too satisfying. Also, elemental weapons finally being stronger really adds to the fun.
I miss how op evade lancing felt in gen 4. Give me back my 3 backhops capcom! 😢
What song is play at 0:11 - 0:30?
I'm not a lance main(CB main but use everything very frequently) and still have a ways to go when it comes to mastering the weapon in rise/sunbreak but whenever I'm on my last cart and up against a monster that will likely kill me you bet Im gonna use that shield to the full extent as I know if I use lance I will live anything the monster throws at me.
I mained lance in the original MH game because I was the only one of my friends who could headlock rathalos and rathian consistently enough for plate farming xD
thanks to rise make lance more fun to use
Gen 4 definitely has my favorite lance, as a lifelong lance main. Like doing evade lance was stupid good (evade 3 kinda broken fr) and striker lance could just constantly lay dps down.
Started using lance in dos and never looked back, just a safe and always solid weapon.
Same for me.
Have you seen how japanese players used lance? They could take down any G rank with barely any guarding, just backhops and poking. I myself have poked around with that playstyle in MHP2G as well.
Poke around and found out.
I think I saw you in rise the other day, it was someone with a similar armor
Yaeh me as a Hammer main since FU I feel you
Insta-block is OP!!
how do we go from, fighting on the ground, to fighting in the? air?!?! 😱
Well we fought in the water to
Honestly the only people I see mad about the over the top movesets is old vets, but what did you expect from the team that made GU. If it irks you that bad you'll be back to poke poke poke backstep in MH6
I may not be a lance main but it is in my top 3
Ah yes the weapon with the most combos
"Poke poke poke"
"Poke poke poke"
And
"runrunrunrunrunrun... Poke"
I'm gonna be honest, the day I tried out the lance was the day my monster hunter brain broke. Wait, what do you mean I can not only just tell the big monster "no u" with the shield that is bigger than my body, and not have to bother actually dealing with MonHuns wonky dodge (don't even @ me monhun vets, you know how silly billy that dodge is without evade window, and even with sometimes) and can just...block the damage? Wait, you mean I can just sit there and...poke, poke, poke?
Since then I rarely take any other weapons to task. It's literally THE perfect weapon for me.
it looks the same but science fiction
Clutch claw counter is single handedly the best move for lance in ib it feels so satisfying to use and makes every other weapon feel so much worse on top of not having a shield that you can deny any monster attack with. Lance is and will always be our main weapon, I just hate that it took me 600 hours to find it!
I'm a lance main and consequentially sort of love the clutch claw even though it was super hated. Honestly I wouldn't mind seeing claw as a lance exclusive in MH Wilds (maybe with select wire bug abilities like closed jump).
MHTri lance felt so good against Jho. Up until today my most comfortable fight in the series.
EDIT: Close to Hammer vs Rathalos/Rathian
Tri lance is really good
GU was the best version of Lance, was so much fun
Lance gang rise up
og lance is best lance, whats not to like about poke, poke, poke, backstep, repeat?!
I still play it like that even in Rise and I honestly cba to do anything but poke poke poke.
You can do that still in the newer games. But very bold of the developers to make it much less damaging, compared to sweeping thrust play style.
Does anyone know what layered armor he is using 15:04 ?
Might be the Floral Yukata replacer mod combined with other layered armor, I'm not sure
@@bittersuet i figured it out, it's five element chest, gloves, alice event hair, and waist. with body builder leggings dyed black
@@arbeitfanclub genius bro
I’ve only played monhun for a couple years now, but throughout that time I’ve been a diehard lancer. Yes it’s unpopular and yes it isn’t amazing, it’s still my weapon. I hate that it’s become a parry machine instead of a tank. I miss standing tall against valstrax nukes in gu, why oh why did rise make us play sekiro
Lance is my second favorite weapon next to charge blade. I think it's unpopular because it's very misunderstood due to the initial clunkiness the lances feel at first compared to other weapons that feel faster. Then it's dropped immediately and called easy under the assumption that you hold block and slowly walk around the whole fight. But man, sticking to a monster and constantly advancing through attacks, throwing a counter in the middle of your pokes to keep the combo going, and in GU, that shield charge? Mua.
And yeah, Rise I think kinda took away most weapon's signature play style by giving everything a one button wirebug instant counter
i personally love the parry play style
@@yesimchar I see why people like it, but it’s just not lance to me. Lance has remained largely unchanged for 4.5 generations, then receives a parry at the tail end of 5th? It just feels very unlancelike to me
@@Elehk99I'm the same with @yesimchar. The parry is what made me a lance main. Made it a very aggressive but safe weapon.
@@zrevi5918 but what are you gonna do when Wilds probably removes the parry? Stop playing the weapon? That’s why I hate it, people fell in love with Rise’s hyper aggressive lance, not the actual weapon
Obviously thanks to the évolution of quality of the series over the years.
Folagor: Es iguaaaaaaal ES IGUAAAAAAAAL *aplaude*
As much as I love lance
Gunlance exists so I cant go back. Boom stick too fun
I play both, even though I'm in love with lance
I used to think it was boring too, until tried it in Iceborne. Rise's iteration wasn't my liking, but i'll give it another chance.