Who Really Won The Korean War? (4K Documentary)
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Only five years after the end of WW2, the major nations of the world are once again up in arms. A global UN coalition and an emerging Chinese juggernaut are fighting it out in a war that will see both sides approach the brink of victory - and defeat.
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The same winners of every war; The Worms!
Have you ever seen a picture of the Korean peninsula from space a night: the south is lit top to bottom almost solid...the north is nearly totally dark with a few white spots. How can you say there is a doubt who won or lost the war. Would you really rather live in N. Korea than S. Korea!
@@rickden8362 The US carpet bombed the North such that no building over two stories high was left standing. The government in the South was merely a military puppet dictatorship of Washington. Like other capitalist miracles in Asia it has a population that is not reproducing itself.
Who won? I like how the video didn’t answer this. To me, Korea is a wasteful stupid war that gave no wholesome benefit.
1)the civilians death rate is horrendous and unexplored ordinances I believe still continue.
2)both sides supported dictators who killed their own people, either cooperated in wholesale massacres, or at the very least gave the book.
3)Soith Korea may be remembered as a positive democracy, THAT WAS NOT THE CASE until the 80s; Rhee’s tenure was an authoritarian nightmare. The North Koreans technically came on top economically but that eventually gave way to a rising tide of North Korean racism nationalism and Kim’s authoritarian mindset pulling the country more into the evil it is todays
4)the U.S. army, as Thomas ricks journalist on military history, and as the video pointed out were wholly unprepared for the war and its internal command structure was fractured and formed times eschewed by egos. Rick’s pointed out the problems of commanders lying to their superiors, the U.S.’s rotating policy on sending troops to replace veterans, a failure to understand the battlefield, to adapt quickly, and a limited political will to enter a war were lessons were ignored.
5)China became more paranoid because of the costs of the war and it may have encouraged Mao to be harsher. It’s worth noting that while China did become closer to both Vietnam and North Korea, those friendships were dubious. Vietnam and China would duke it out the 70s (among their other diplomatic disagreements), and North Korea has rarely been an economic powerhouse that could benefit China. It’s now could be considered to be a ticking bomb that China dosnt want to touch. It has nuclear weapons and its collapse means that millions of refugees could come across Chinese border.
6)the US became more paranoid as Joe McCarthy rose up to power.
7)despite being integrated, U.S. nonwhite troops came home to horrific racism.
@@bradhorowitz2765 How can you look at the 2 Koreas today and conclude the south didn't win in the end.
Whatever you do...
Don't say it will be over by Christmas.
It never is.
If I had a nickel…
People really start to believe their own bs
The USA invaded Iraq without any strategy or plan for victory because George Bush really believed everything would just work out
😅
They never said which Christmas...
@@MarvelousSeven fair enough
I'm pretty sure the winner is Korea and the one who lost is Korea.
That is probably the best summary I have ever heard. You could put it on a seal, or a memorial.
a draw
@@Archimedeeez the war is not over they have armistice but to peace treaty
Facts
@@darkbut8864: only because Dr. Rhee was too cowardly a President to secure peace for his country.
I'm a US expat living in Colombia and people are aware of Colombia's participation in the Korean War. It's not the "forgotten war" as it's called elsewhere.
Right amidst La Violencia.
Sadley in the USA it is the forgotten war.
Not to many Americans left to tell their story.
For years it was always about Vietnam.
I knew many veterans who fought in nam and Korea.
They all said nam didn't even compair to their fight in Korea.
They said their was no comparison and I already thought that from my research.
It’s only forgotten in the US, all other major participants clearly remember it
I had no idea Colombia participated in the Korean War. Thank you for telling me and nothing but love for our Colombian friends.
@@DY-fy2jh lmao it's not forgotten they teach the Korean war in American schools
The real winner was Japan, who then had a 30+ year long economic boom after the Korean War.
they always win when it comes to Korea so its no surprise
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Thank you for the video ! As a south korean, My grandfather was forcibly conscripted by the Imperial Japanese Army and assigned to the 50th Regiment of the Kwantung Army in Manchuria. In 1944, he was ordered to move to Tinian Island near Saipan to defend against the US Marine Corps landing on the island. However, when the situation for the Japanese army became unfavorable, he was ordered not to be taken as a prisoner, but to commit suicide by jumping off a cliff as a soldier of the Japanese Imperial Army. He was able to survive by secretly leading Koreans who had been forcibly conscripted like him to surrender to the U.S. Marines and telling them in Japanese that they were Koreans and had been forcibly conscripted by the Japanese Empire. After World War II ended, he returned to Korea and joined the South Korean Army. Later, during the Korean War, he fought against North Korean and Chinese forces. After the Korean War armistice, he was sent as a military advisor to Vietnam in the 1970s.
thanks for sharing his story
Wow, that’s quite a ride
Thats an impressive journey from war to war
Cool story, I served in South Korea once at K2 AirBase (Daegu Air Base) and a second time at K55 (Osan Air Base). Love Korean food and culture!
Freaking soldier for sure man. 🇺🇸🇰🇷
My Grandfather fought in Korea as a supply truck driver, he talked about a British officer who offered him some tea which he accepted, shortly after a North Korean mortar attacked the base and a round landed where he would have been standing had he not accepted, crazy to think he could have been the 24th NZEF death
"Saved by a cup of tea" should have given him British honorary citizenship ! X)
I bet he never again had a day without tea.
Oh dear. Never use British understatement to an American when talking about important issues.
Things could go a tad awry! lol
Just a smidgin, quite so...
Kim Il Sung is carrying out a cunning plan sir!
I hate the American habit of exaggeration & hyperbole
Wild braggadocio is almost standard in American business today
“Malay emergency”
“The Troubles”
@@randbarrett8706 There is that 'shouty-happy' presentation style they have also. Teeth-grindingly awful
Fun fact: Michael Caine fought in the Korean War in the British Army
He's quoted in the video 🙂
@@MIRobin22 yeah, I had made this comment before getting to that part, my bad 🫠
@@indianajones4321 it's okay.
You guys saw that too eh? 😂 sharp eyes.
Now, not that many people know that.....
I was just trying to find Korean War documentaries when I saw this uploaded 11 mins ago. Great video
They never talk about the Korean War because It was right after World War II.
Man, Real Time History has to be one of the best history channels for conveying detailed information in a short format regarding the history of world conflict.
Jesse's narration is clear, concise and well delivered.
Always excited for notifications of new episodes... if I get them.
I'm always waiting for the smartass comment at the end. I am never disappointed. I love this channel so much.
@@HieronymousCheese💯
Thanks!
Easily the best military history channel on RUclips, as far as I'm concerned.
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Japan and Taiwan (ROC)
Japan : Thanks to the military demands, they revived their factories
Taiwan (ROC) : Because China sent their forces to Korea, China (PRC) stopped their plan to attack Taiwan
Crucially, the Beijing expended their most experienced soldiers in Korea, so by the time the shooting stopped there, the PLA were left largely with conscripts who lack the experience of sustainably fighting on an offensive.
@doujinflip And yet it still ended in a stalemate
The PLA lost a lot foot soldiers in the Korean War but it also gained many categories of soldiers it previously was short of, like MiG pilots, tank crews, artillery officers. This was the result of gaining greater access to a wide range of Soviet weaponry as a condition of Chinese entry into the Korean War on Stalin's behalf. On the whole, the PLA in fact grew stronger as the Korean War went on, particularly in its airforce. However, the death of Stalin in 1953 changed everything and helped to bring a quick end of Chinese participation of the Korean War.
Was very excited to see a new video. Thanks!
Incredible as usual, thank you!
My father served as a British soldier in The Korean War. When I did some time with the army He then decided to tell me more about his experiences, which were most harrowing. I thank you a lot for this Excellent video about this Korean War,
Love these documentaries. Very fun to watch and informative.
Informative yes , but fun ?
The best video on this topic in the entirety of RUclips, bravo!
You guy do a great job - this is an awesome documentary. Thank you so much!
Let’s goooo going to finish this video after work
Great video. Well done!
Yeah, my 93 year old dad was over there when he was nineteen and half turning twenty in December of 1950. He was a financial clerk in the Second division HQ in Pyongyang when he was transfer to the 23rd Infantry Regiment in December of 1950. Two battles he fought in were Twin Tunnels which took place at the end of January 1951 and the battle of Chipyong-ni mid-February. In both battles there was a French Battalion attached to the 23rd Infantry Regiment that perform many galant bayonet charges that blunted many of the Communist Chinese attacks.
The French Battalion had a tragic tale. French strategic command treated them like a disposable sponge and they suffered heavy casualty in Indochina after Korea. Then, they got shipped to Algeria and suffered more hardship w/o adequate supports during the Algerian Revolution. There was probably nobody from the original 1000 men who managed to survive all that madness.
did the french go the diem bien phu a few years later?
@@rich453 It was Bataillon français de l'ONU, look for it , they have a wiki page about this one.
After Korean War, they was transfer to Indochina and form part of the famous Groupement mobile 100, which then got ambushed and nearly wiped out in Battle of Mang Yang Pass. In just a few months after arrived in Vietnam, this battalion suffer casualty equal to 3 years in Korean war.
@@activationfunctionThey were Legionairres. Legionairres are disposable as far as the French are concerned, unfortunately.
Over 30,000 Americans lost their lives in Korea and asked for nothing in return but a patch of land to bury their dead. As a result of their sacrifice, there are millions of people who live in relative freedom today instead of the worst kind of totalitarianism in the world. All you need to do to confirm this claim is to look at a satellite image of the peninsula at night. This is a major victory for the cause of liberty and the idea that it can be considered anything else is absurd.
And confort. Do not forget. One of the richest countries on the planet. Thanks to USA.WEST GERMANY BRITAIN AND ARROGANT.
Arragant France: Marshall plan.
@@macgordonaberese-ako4587 sure, here's the gratuitous hatred of the French XD
You're welcome mate ! Who else would you hate if we weren't there ?
But without France we wouldn’t have been sucked into WW1 and 2, or Vietnam. Or the Napoleonic wars for that matter and all the Medieval wars we had against them. So we have to thank them for helping to start all the biggest wars to begin with.
...and the Colonial wars.
It was an informative ,incredible, and wonderful historical coverage work shared by an amazing ( RTH) channel...thanks for sharing
These deep dives into historiographical questions are my favorite things you guys do! Please keep creating content like this!
The tiger face markings on the Patton tanks at 22:40 are gnarly
The biggest winner was Japan who saw US policy of deindustrialization reversed due to the need of a local supply base in future operations in Asia
Yep. US rebuilt Japanese industry system to support Korean War in a short time. That’s the engine boosts economic blooming from60-80s’.
True. In order to further Japanese goal, now Japan prods the U.S. to directly have a fight China
And later South Korea factories got a giant military demand for US military in Vietnam War
You make it sound like none of Japan's pre-war industrial based survived or something which allowed them to build the navy that they were able to build to go to war with. They certainly did get aid and help from the US, but they also became the nation they are today through their own hard work and perseverance and their drive to succeed.
@@UzumakiNaruto_ They were in the process of deconstructing their heavy industry under U.S. supervision with plans to focus on agriculture and light industry. Thankfully their heavy industry was allowed to rebuild due to need for war material. Yes, they were able to rebuild with their own hands and sweat but it was because they were allowed to.
Jesse & team, that was a brilliant documentary, but it did skip a couple of important battles. Not to mention that Australia was barely a footnote in this documentary along with New Zealand. I would suggest to everyone to read up on the Battle of Kapyong 22-27 April 1951. I know it's hard document everything here but you could have spread it out over 2 parts. People tend to forget that it was the first time that the UN had a unified command of troops from different countries. It's also the first forgotten war.
Thank you very nice video
My grandfather was in Korea from 1951 to 1953. He would always tell me what he saw, I mean everything . This video very informative and well done. Including facts as my grandfather told me.
저의 조국의 평화를 위해 헌신하신 할아버님께 감사드립니다. 고맙습니다!
Superb video as always - balanced and highly informative. Thank you
My grandpa served in the Navy during the war, i made sure to sit and listen to the stories! Glad this part of history is gaining traction, more should know the sacrifices made.
Interesting take on the Korean War. Usually this is presented in a very pro-america/UN forces standing against waves of Chinese.
With what little time you had, it felt a little more even handed.
Thanks.
Absolutely. Really enjoy your content!
Both my brother and brother-in-law participated in the Korean War. Personally, I served in the US Army and was stationed there in two separate periods: 1962-63 and 1963-64. During both tours, I was stationed just a few miles south of the DMZ at Camp Hovey and Camp Casey. Recently, I went online to look at current images of those areas, and each time I was astonished by the stark differences. While I was there, I had the opportunity to travel to Seoul and Pusan, and the progress and advancements I witnessed throughout Korea were equally remarkable and comparable to the changes that took place in the areas where I was stationed. Although I was young and found the whole experience interesting, I have no desire to revisit Korea at this point in my life.
Thank you for your service!!
This video was excellent.
One of the best history channels on YT
Without the Korean war I wouldn't be Alive right now which is crazy to think about... My mom and her twin sister were 2 at the time and got on a war plane full of other kids and were flown to Arizona to be adopted. Her and her sister were adopted by an Air Force Captain and he raised them in Arizona with his wife. My moms been living in America her whole life and married my dad and had me... She just turned 70 and is so healthy and full of life.. I think about this all the time how wars shape our history more than we know.
Thank you for sharing this 🙏. I’m glad you’re here. Now go give a big hug to your momma.
"US refused to come to the aid of the French at Điện Biên Phủ because the US is afraid of China intervention" That kinda said a lot.
I was pretty convinced by that, but the counter-argument, that China never invaded Taiwan, is equally strong.
More than anything else, that probably shows how no one really "won" the Korean war. Both sides didn't want to try again.
@@louisvaught2495 China have proved that they meant want they say and will do what they say China intervene in Korea war and Vietnam War and now China is saying sending the same warning to the USA to back off Taiwan or face war again. That is why the USA can only force Taiwan to spend as much money to buy US weapons so that at least the US military complex and economy can benefit from it. The difference the US is giving away billions to Ukraine but not with Taiwan, Taiwan have to pay for all the military equipment. It would seems the USA can only sell military equipment to Taiwan not clothing, shoes, furniture etc.
The French Imperialist were driven out of Vietnam and Algeria.
This would be similar to China trying to invade Mexico and fighting America on their door step.
@@louisvaught2495 China never invaded Taiwan because they didn't have the logistics to put 300k men in Taiwan. It's that simple.
As far as no one else wants to try again. Not true. The Americans have been goading China into a war. What history has taught us is that dying empires never win wars against rising ones.
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I love this channel!
.... that photo of Kim il Sung in 41:56 looks so much like his grandson I thought it was a current photo for a split moment ...
Haha...."we are not retreating, we are merely advancing in another direction" :D
Love "The Korean War" by Col. Hickey, fantastic book!
I love this channel
Saddened to see so little mention of Australia's contribution. Her Air force squadron based in Japan (British Commonwealth Occupation Force since 1945) was the first UN force to join the US attacks. Her Infantry Battalion made up a third of the British Commonwealth Brigade and had an important victory at Kapyong after the heroic fight of the Gloucestershire's Battle (along with New Zealand artillery and the nearby Canadian defence). Her Navy's Frigates and an Aircraft Carrier made early and important contributions to the conflict.
War criminal aussies
Old faithful 3rd royal Australian regiment
@@niuchajianfa6222everyone does war crimes. But when you win it doesn’t count. I wonder, do you support the terrorists or communists who hid behind their wives and children until we got bored and left, or do you support the many we beat in open conflict? Because that’s the 2 options.
@@niuchajianfa6222what warcrimes ?
@@tictac-bl4so A whistleblower who helped expose allegations of Australian war crimes in Afghanistan has been sentenced to five years and eight months in jail.
"Mc Arthur predicts victory before Christmas". I heard that on this channel before.
Right up there with "what could possibly go wrong?" and "it's quiet, too quiet."
Monty also predicted the war will be over before Xmas with his operation market garden .monty and MacArthur could have been twins .
@@1809stephMonty was arrogant. MacArthur was arrogant and incompetent. Thats much worse.
@@troystaunton254Actually the War in Europe would have ended sooner if we had a MacArthur-esque as SHAEF.
@@1809stephThe difference is that the quality and quantity troops that Monty had were higher than what MacArthur had in Korea.
It is always fascinating to get more context for such historic events.
I wonder how the Australian light infantry of 1943/44 that fought at places like Buna/Gona and Lae would have fared against the Chinese. Those guys knew all about all round defence :)
This is among the best video repots on the Korean War. Thanks! and I look forward to viewing other videos in your channel
It's not over,so their can't be a winner
Yes it is, the ceasefire was over in like 2018
@@arlobones3410you are wrong their was no armistice sign ever so it's still a active war,learn some history
@@seanbumstead1250 The 1953 cease fire was called an Armistice (with the transfer of POWs), but no Peace Treaty. The treatment of POW's by N. Korea was and still is a major point of contention preventing a Peace Treaty. Many N. Korean POWs didn't want to go back.
There's no substitute to victory.
@MMCUSN Yes, the treatment of POW's is why no peace treaty was signed. Not the stalemate. Boy you are smart
In this video, Inchon is spelled without an "e". I'm used to it being spelled "Incheon". Both the airport and city. Their own branding. Is both correct, since it's just a western translation of the original Korean, anyway?
I can't speak or read a word of Korean. But as far as I know, some transliterations like ㅓ"eo" and ㅡ"eu" are represented by individual symbols in its original and they are distinct from ㅔ"e", ㅗ"o" and ㅜ"u". Keep in mind that in Hangul, Korean writing system, symbols are put together in a block instead of being written in a single direction. It's quite modular in my opinion.
I recommend you to check Korean writing system for more info.
both work, but the Battle was referred to as Inchon landing back then.
I've always heard it spelled Inchon. I suppose it is a Korean city, so there could be something changed in translation??
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Really well written episode
My grandmothers brother was Army infantry and was there in 1951 I think.
That's your Great Uncle.
@@RedFail1-1 that is correct.
Americans called the Korean War "the Forgotten War." That conveyed a lot about who truly won the war. You don't call a war "a forgotten war" if you are the winner of the conflict.
That's because absolutely nothing changed for any American civilian whatsoever. It was a distant war fought for a motivation barely understood by the public. If kore fell or not, the average American did not care.
By that same logic British commonwealth group including Chinese who fought the Japanese are known as 14th infantry or also forgotten army. Then surely they must have lost because that division is forgotten? Illogical comment
What was each countries death count?
The war of 1812 is forgotten by both the British and the U.S.
I guess it was the green space men that won that war.
North Korea's goal was to conquer South Korea. South Korea's goal was to survive. It's pretty obvious on who won the Korean War.
This sure would make a great drama
My boss (Ron Broward)and co owner of sudwerk brewery was in the marines and fought in the Korean War. Thank you Ron and may you rest in peace🙏🏼🇺🇸
The same winners of every war; The Worms!
~1000+ British casualties doesn't seem much at first, but seeing them on the Armed Forces Memorial at the National Memorial Arboretum, for all post-1945 conflict, those names loom large over you. It is hugely humbling for so many reasons.
My great grandfather fought in the Korean War (U.S) sadly I didn't get a chance to talk to him about his service since he passed a few years ago.
This documentary is a lot more informative than the other ones.
Thanks!
The only victor was Taiwan. Communist China had already started attacking the outlying islands of Taiwan in 1949 but the invasion stalled because it needed Soviet material help to go further and Stalin was receptive of the idea. However, the Korean War put the invasion of Taiwan on hold as Soviet and Chinese resources flowed into Korea instead. Then Stalin died in 1953 and the Korean War ended. The US saw the Korean War as a Communist plot to take over Asia and made the commitment to defend Taiwan by signing a Mutual Defense Treaty with the Chinese Nationalists in Taiwan in 1954. So Taiwan was in effect saved by the Korean War and became the only victor.
South Korea was also a victor since their only true goal was the preservation of the South Korean state. While it would’ve been nice to fully unify, ultimately the only real losers were the North Koreans as their initial aim was to forcibly unify Korea under the Communist regime. Otherwise, the US and South Korea got what they wanted (preservation of South Korea) and so did China (preservation of North Korea).
@@gameragodzilla South Korea paid a terrible price for the survival as a country with nearly a million South Koreans killed and many times more injured. The capital Seoul was battleground for multiple times and severely damaged in the fighting.
@@tvgerbil1984 Sure, but they survived North Korean aggression.
Vietnam paid a heavy price too with millions of Vietnamese killed but they're free@@tvgerbil1984
@@gameragodzilla And I'm betting their children and grandchildren are very glad they did.
The best unbiased documentary of the Korean war I've ever seen.
This Video needs more likes! You got mine!
I was hoping Jesse and Co would cover the Korean War!
This is another of those wars where the answer to 'who won? who lost?' is actually 'yes', isn't it? All got some of their strategic objectives and failed a significant amount of their strategic objectives.
Also 17:22 Peng Dehuai is worth a read. Poor guy was a brilliant general by all accounts, but ended up getting purged by Mao. He's been reinstated after death as a bit of a hero by the anti-maoist faction of the CCP though.
Imagine what could've happened if the US had listened to the Chinese
So interesting 😁😁👍👍👍👍👍
My uncle was part of the Belgian contingent in the Imjin river attack where he got wounded and won a Silver Star there. Cpl Henry Wolfs.
Who won? Neither. Both Sung and Rhee claimed the entire peninsular and wanted to reunify but neither could ultimately do it despite huge amounts of personnel and hardware from China and the USA.
Quick answer, the South Korean people won. They don't have to live under a dictatorship.
Because they were living in one...
You might want to check up on history. South Korean was under dictatorships much of its existence since the Korean War.
@@flarvin8945 Yes I know. I'm talking about today.
@@waveygravey9347yea but it’s very misleading a victory kinda implies the immediate aftermath
One of the richest and technologically most advanced countries vs the poorest most cruel backwater dictatorship. Seems like a no brainer to me. 😏
I visited Gwangju South Korea in 2019 and was surprised to talk to an old man in a bus who remembered Filipino soldiers in the Korean War and was grateful. South Korea and the Philippines are great friends.
Thanks for another great documentary Real Time History. I learned a lot about the Korean War. 31:12 Thanks for mentioning the secret Soviet pilots in the war. The US were fighting Chinese MiGs and were wandering why some Chinese pilots had more skill then others.
My grandfather and his two younger brothers were both members of the Chinese People's Volunteers. The second grandfather was blinded by the bombing, the third grandfather disappeared, and my grandfather was unscathed.
It can be seen from the Korean War that the US military, whose weapons and equipment are far superior to China's, can only draw a tie with China, not to mention that China's weapons and equipment are now second only to the United States.
In terms of fighting will, China has never been afraid of any country. Therefore, we ask the United States and its allies not to interfere in China's internal affairs and just take care of themselves.
America needs to keep it's nose in line. The communists won
We could ask the Chinese to stop doing so many toxic things like illegally immigrating to the USA or stop manufacturing and sending fentanyl for example but that would be naive.
@@Lex_Lugar Fun fact: If you talk to most of the Chinese immigrants, they would all claim that they're "fugitives" and "victims" of the Chinese gov. and are not welcomed by people back in China, whilst strongly believing in the American dream.
Damn I never knew about the Soviets boycotting the UN while the korean resolution vote happened.
Quite the "what if" moment if they had been there to veto the vote.
Would the Americans have still gone to war without UN backing?
Probably. It would have been some 1950 version of the "Coalition of the Willing", i.e. the Free World powers without UN mandate.
@@MM22966 Looking at it today the US has no regard for international order, but back then it was soon after the United nations was formed so maybe they would have been reluctant to make such a bold move.
The US went into Iraq, with a coalition of allies, despite the UN arguing the casus belli was not real and thus the invasion illegal. So yes, a Soviet veto wouldn't have mattered much. Unlike in Iraq, N. Korea was an active threat.
@@San_Vito Also worth keeping in mind is that UN was so new, nobody was sure what it was supposed to be.
A rubber-stamp for Western powers? Some neutral observational body/sounding board? An active third power in the Cold War? A shelter for neutral countries that were trying to steer clear of the East/West blocs?
I guess it ended up being all of the above.
Dr. Arthur G. Neal was one of the 42 survivors of Pork Chop Hill. He had all the payroll in a satchel and Money Orders as the battle started on payday. He was from rural West Virginia and was a professor of Sociology at Bowling Green State University in Ohio.
28:49 - that must have been the most awkward few hours in world history.
Who won the war? Take a look at the satellite images of the Korean peninsula at night. South Korea went on to become a successful capitalist nation and millions of South Koreans avoided the fate of the South Vietnamese who ended up enduring the harsh treatment of the reeducation camps or falling straight into the hands of communist butchers and winding up buried in mass graves. On a tactical in-the-moment level you could call it a draw, but in the long-run the South won, hands down.
Nothing to do with Vietnam war, they are not the same war. You think north Vietnam really aggressive first attack the South Vietnam, before Vietnam war ho chi Minh ask freedom reunification to US but US reject that. So what start it huh. You don't mention south Vietnam dictator. How ignorant you are.
@@Mrpotato-gs2ur Found the commie
@@TheFlubber06 check up death rates on French rubber plantations that caused the communist uprising in Vietnam. Small hint - it was on par with German concentration camps.
Isn't the war still on going ?
Couple of incidents when bullets and other projectiles were fired in anger since then but it’s more of an all bark and no bite situation, similar to a Cold War.
Dang, really thought you’d break out your Michael Caine impression.
Could you recommend us some great Korean War movies?
Thank you for highlighting the British (and British Commonwealth) participation. As with most wars involving the US on our side, the world (specifically the US) tend to often ignore our efforts.
the whole war is ignored in the US not just the british or commonwealths participation in it
@@edgehoward4290 It's no more ignored than it is here in the UK. It's known as the forgotten war for a reason, but obviously I'm talking about the people who do know and talk about it.
It's only "The Forgotten War" by those who gave chose to forget it. I will never forget the sacrifice made by so many brave men and women who chose to fight for freedom. If we wish to be free people again we may very well have to make similar sacrifices at some point. Freedom isn't free.
My children’s Great Grandfather and grand uncle were executed by KPA , their Grandfather escape to the hills. Spent the whole war with an American unit. His family was on a list.
Hope you make video on Afghanistan war
Which one US or Soviet?
When will the Red Atoms be available on RUclips? Surely it must be more beneficial to you than on Nebula?
Girls with a time machine:
"I'm your granddaughter!"
Me with a time machine:
"Stop just south of the 40th parallel. You'll save everyone a whole lot of headache later."
Just look at the current situation in each Korea and you can easily see who was best for their country 😊👍
*looks at south Korea birth rate 💀
What does that mean about South Korea's birthrate?
@@douglasturner6153 at 0.8 per women, they are dying as a nation
Somehow worse than Japan and China..
@@pablosalazarsojo3877 That's what happens when countries become more prosperous. Birth rates fall in all prosperous nations. Nigeria has one of the highest birth rates in the world, but no one would rather live there.
My uncle (a recent German immigrant) was drafted into the Marines and was at Chosin Reservoir.
Both my grand fathers and my great uncle served Korea
I can’t tell you who won but the Korean people as a whole lost being a battleground for great powers to this day.
So deep
I'm sure South Koreans don't feel the same way, being as they are still free.
Yes ask some n Korea citizens how things are going but you cannot use the internet to do it. Also most are trying very hard not to starve
@@norrisphillips4360 I think my point was that the people of South Korea wouldn't consider that they lost. Check the battle lines the democrats were nearly overrun totally.
@@iamlordeyayayaaa7060 But they are under constant threat from North Korea and they are weaker as a people. I'm not saying they should be under communist dictatorship but it is a shame that the peninsula was to be divided due to foreign ideologies.
35:36 in this exact segment explains perfectly who won, such a embarrassment your own soldier's prefers to be a prisoner than to return home.
Not really. The Americans allowed Nationalist agents extensive access to the prisoner who conducted extensive work trying to convince them to defect. This was also aided by the fact that there were large sections of the Chinese army that were comprised of ex-nationalist units, given this was only like a year after the civil war there
Almost same info as many Chinese version documentary, very objective
Where was this guy during my high school civics/history classes?
Thank you for UN Army including US, British and all those heroes who lost their lives for this war . Korea won‘t forgot your support and sacrifice.
"Who won the Korean War?"
Well...look at both Korea's today and ask yourself: "Which country is a thriving democracy and isn't a failed state?"
And you'll get your answer.
So, North Korea won, then...
to be fair south korea was a brutal dictatorship until the 90s infamous for using the collaborationist japanese police, and even now police violence, anti union activity, lack of workers rights, etc are enormous problems in south korea. i would not call it a thriving democracy
@@zachjordan7608 All true. But they have come a long way and South Koreans are living better than their neighbors to the north.
All countries have their problems but not as bad as North Korea's.
@@brandonarmienti6875 until the late 70s and early 80s this was reversed, and northern higher industrialisation led to higher standards of living
regardless, i don't think you can claim outcomes that came decades later primarily driven by other factors as a victory. we have to look at what happened as a direct result of the conflict ending in the moment of history it did, not on what happened decades later
Conflating democracy with success
One of my relatives was about to be deployed in korea but war ended before the deployment. He was known since as Ahmed the Korean
Here when 8k 5h
The Korean War like Vietnam were simply large scale battles in the vast Cold War.
Given that South Korea is not only a free and democratic nation but also has a huge economy and a well fed population, it's not a stretch to say who really won the War but also the long term struggle of not only the Cold War but also for being a serious player on the World stage. Without North Korea starving it's already desperate population to acquire a few primitive nuclear weapons to bluff the planet, North Korea would be a forgotten failed state on par with Bangladesh or Somalia.
Also. In the larger balance of power game, we're now seeing China become a stagnating country with a rapidly aging and dying population that is on task to lose half of it's current population by the end of this century due to it's horrible demographics crisis and bad economic planning.
It's easy to say who LOST the war: the people of North Korea.
China’s birthrate is literally the same as the US. Wym?
Lol mention China's aging population problem and not South Korea. We are quick to forget up to the 1980s North Korea was doing better than South Korea
Quick answer : both lost
It's always the same. The winners are the bankers and the arms producers. The losers are the ordinary working men ... on both sides.
Many people don’t realise that Jesse can only get the white tshirts in Vienna but he has to go to Berlin for the jacket. He’s committed tho…
When is Indy going to start his Korean War series?
The weekend after June 25th one would imagine
Will watch the video later but from my current understanding of the conflict - The South Koreans/US won in the long run. North Korea has been a drain on China/Rest of the world while South Korea is one of the US' Strongest and userul allies in the world while having a robust and advanced economy.
Robust and advanced in a depression
@@JaMeshuggah better than being robust and advanced in starvation
Meh... North Korea 'sold' millions of shells to Russia during the Ukraine invasion, so they are not deadweights either
US propaganda 😂
South Korea is just a big military base you Americans have to keep safe. Payed by your tax dollars.