thanks for this video, i just purchased the 5.0 fantom cam from the bishop site to try this, i was about to spent $600 on an entire new machine lol. I have the 4.2 Packer model currently
I got a 5.0 wand as a gift, and I’m thinking of converting it to a 4.2 thing lines amazing, but I can accomplish everything with a 4.2, the 5.0 hits a little hard, you can shade with it, but be ready to hold on and be on your A game, and lower the volts. Gonna do a 4.2 conversion for science I think
My cam on my power wand packer doesn’t just slide off after loosening the cam bolt and I tried pulling it but it’s not budging. Do you know if they did something different with the power wands?
Double that figure. each rotation completes teh stroke. So from the cam hole, to the middle of the cam bearing shaft, then double it. The needle travels the full length of each complete bearing rotation back and forth.
Hello Marcus yes you could put a 4.2 on the shader but the shader utilizes a brushless motor compared to the packer & Liner those 2 have brushless motors 💪. ***NOTE-The brushed motor in the shader wand may bog down with longer stroke
thats really gonna save a lot of money，but i have Q.the bishop said the 3.5 wand is brushed motor inside，but the 4.2 is actually brushless，if switch the 3.5 to 4.2，is it gonna be feel just like the original 4.2wand？
Please note there is no gift system in the shader, the motor is simply a brushed motor (weak) so it bogs down easier To “fancy” that problem up bishop started stating the shader had give... 🤦 Also putting in a 4.2 on the brushed motor (shader) wand May not be a good idea as the brushed motor may not have the power to push over the longer stroke in the skin Hope this helps Excuse the delay
hella have some place to buy that stroke i have a liner but i got the sense its too much wrist working .. soo wich one you will recomend to do all jobs >( can this work in a cheyene pen sol nova 4 ?
@@staceydickson3530 he'll yeah bro! So I could get the 5.0 stroke and have all the cams for it lol, do you think there's any difference in the motor between the 3.5-5.0 I know they said the 3.5 has a little bit of give to it
thank you for your input boss I appreciate it , quick quiestion ..when I twist the packer open do I get it closer to the 4.2 mm stroke , or do I get the 4.2 mm stroke when I twist it back in nice ,closed and tight , when I seal my bishop tight the stroke gets longer that’s why ? And I’m not sure if that’s the 6mm stroke it mentions in its specifications on the website
Yeah.no machine that I know of has a 6mm stroke.the valdblad avenger pro I think it's called has a 5.2 if im correct and the bishop liner comes with the 5.0mm stroke cam
@@INKtherapy406 I seen that.i have so many rotary machines that aren't pens as it is though.i just have alot of machines....but the avenger pro 2 would be a nice machine to have
hello ... I have a wand liner ... and a packer .... the issue is .... they don't have the same pulley .... and rod ...., I know that one is 5.0 and the 4.2 packer .... but they have different rods ... they are not like the ones you show. I'm a little confused
@@vapestar3705 no I think I just took the plunger off the original cam & threw it on the peak cam. I always wondered why nobody sold plungers to cams.. very rarely do you see a pre bent plunger for sale.. I should start bending them for the peak/wand cams & selling them on ebay! Lol
@@vapestar3705 when I have some extra time I'll bend a couple up & mail em to you.. I think I have a bunch of them I started bending for my Q1... I'll check if any of those will work or can be modified to fit
I’ve been in both the shader and packer there all direct drive no give mechanization is installed ( The only difference are the motors ones of brushed motor and the other one is brushless one has a serious amount of strength/hit(BLDC- brushless) and the other one bogs down easier (brushed motor)
Carlos Hartt not yet, not sure if I can get ahold of the 5mm cam separately. Remember this was a fantom cam I utilized not sure if bishop will be releasing wand cams individually
danny everett hey Danny I’m confused here (give?) I’ve been inside both machines and there is NO give system in the packer it is direct drive , if I had to prefer on I’d pick the packer tho
@@staceydickson3530 @danny_everett that wasnt what he was asking brotha, im actually wondering the same thing he is.. lol because i have the Bishop Shader, and this has a built in give. Your Bishop Packer is a direct drive right? How do you think they would compare against each other? Would they be similar, or would one have a complete different affect compared to the Bishop Packer with the 3.5 mm stroke that you installed in this video? 3.5 Bishop Shader vs Bishop Packer with aftermarket 3.5 stroke? How would they compare, how would the differ?
This whole gives thing that Bishop pushed it’s kind of a joke you’re more than welcome and I tell anyone tear in the both machines and you’ll see they’re the exact same thing direct drive, the only difference is the motors between the Packer and shader there is no give system in either one. The shader motor is a weaker motor and so when it runs under load it Boggs down or slows down slightly on its rotation speed, it is a flaw of the small motor used on the shader but Bishop tried to play it as a benefit “give”(which it’s not) That means the only give is in the rotational speed & not a inline pressure Relief system in the (cam/needle bar)*direct drive component that variates the depth of the needle sticking action Note the 3.5 shader wand has that weaker/ smaller motor, trying to size it up with a 4.2 cam becomes even more difficult for the small motor to run under any load again that’s why I suggest only modding Bishop Packers or liners they utilize the same BLDC motor they just have different cams
BURGER KING hello 👋, unfortunately I do not have a 5mm cam. I am assuming that the 5mm cam will only be available by purchasing the 5mm wand I doubt they will be selling the bishop 5mm cam separately I’m sure bishop will want you to buy a whole new machine to get the 5mm cam. Also remember the spare cam I used is from the bishop fantom . I think at this point since the release of the bishop 5mm wand is to purchase that version and then buy bishop fantom cams (3.5 & 4.2) to swap out👍
Jeremy Latta excuse the delayed response, no mine came out fairly easy you may try heating up the cam there may be a lock tight kind of epoxy on it heating the epoxy will soften it
Bishop claims the motors in each model are specifically designed for each stroke. This will void your warranty and likely kill your machine prematurely. Just sayin'.
The 3.5 shader does have a smaller motor then the 4.2, this is why I recommend converting the 4.2 up or down as needed. @tat_hack has a side by side of the bishop wand shader and packed to see motor size differences Quick note: 4.2 & 5.0 wands use same motor
@@staceydickson3530 that’s sweet. As far as the push bar, I read you make that part. Since I want this as close to stock as I can, do you know if I grab a fantom or magi push bar can that be used to do this hack? Or do I need to buy one off you😂
If you broke your machine during a simple cam swap you probably should no be hacking your machines. Don’t thank me I did not force you to do so, multiple people have had success with this conversation
thanks for this video, i just purchased the 5.0 fantom cam from the bishop site to try this, i was about to spent $600 on an entire new machine lol. I have the 4.2 Packer model currently
00TheSv00 can you send pics of the cams and clearances?
How IS the vibration of this machine?It IS good for black and grey?
@00TheSv00 I feel like it would be easier if you had a 5.0 Wand and convert it to a 4.2.
@@CHUEYINK I’m trying with my liner soon
I got a 5.0 wand as a gift, and I’m thinking of converting it to a 4.2 thing lines amazing, but I can accomplish everything with a 4.2, the 5.0 hits a little hard, you can shade with it, but be ready to hold on and be on your A game, and lower the volts. Gonna do a 4.2 conversion for science I think
Nice catch bro! which battery pack is that? I've seen some similar ones but not sure if they good. Thanks
Hi. Nice video. is the engine the same in the shader and the packer and where can i buy such a stroke?? THx 👏🏻
Shader has a brushed motor, I wouldn’t up the stroke on the shader personally
My cam on my power wand packer doesn’t just slide off after loosening the cam bolt and I tried pulling it but it’s not budging. Do you know if they did something different with the power wands?
Hello, where did you buy the rod? on the bishop website or is it from another brand 'thank you very much for the information
It’s a part I make
Can you use bar from peak solice to conevrt from 4.2 to 3.5? Or take cam and bar from shader and put on packer
Can I make the the dry bar longer so I can get a better effect for my 4.2 mm stroke on my soldier
How do you measure a cam for stroke length? Measure from the shaft hole to the bearing? Or something like that??
Double that figure. each rotation completes teh stroke. So from the cam hole, to the middle of the cam bearing shaft, then double it. The needle travels the full length of each complete bearing rotation back and forth.
I want to get the 5 mm cam for liner...where can I find it?
Is there anything you can’t do Stacey? Would this work in reverse? I have the shader can I put the fantom 4.2 cam in it?
Hello Marcus yes you could put a 4.2 on the shader but the shader utilizes a brushless motor compared to the packer & Liner those 2 have brushless motors 💪.
***NOTE-The brushed motor in the shader wand may bog down with longer stroke
@@staceydickson3530 So it would work better to buy the 5.0 machine and then get the 3.5 cam?
Awesome hack. Could you make a video like this but for FK Irons Flux/Exo?
Does this hack also work with the wand liner?
Will the shader motor with with a 4.2mm cam?
Why u got two O-ring on the packer?
Stacey would you the measurements of the motor shaft? ,1.5mm?
And now you can't find the strokes at all haha.The bishop is making it hard to got the two of them.
thats really gonna save a lot of money，but i have Q.the bishop said the 3.5 wand is brushed motor inside，but the 4.2 is actually brushless，if switch the 3.5 to 4.2，is it gonna be feel just like the original 4.2wand？
Evan Zhao no. the shader has built in give system. The packer is a fixed hard hitting machine with no give
Please note there is no gift system in the shader, the motor is simply a brushed motor (weak) so it bogs down easier
To “fancy” that problem up bishop started stating the shader had give... 🤦
Also putting in a 4.2 on the brushed motor (shader) wand May not be a good idea as the brushed motor may not have the power to push over the longer stroke in the skin
Hope this helps
Excuse the delay
You can make liner from Packer same motor same volatage range 6-8V, shader got 8,5-10V
hella have some place to buy that stroke i have a liner but i got the sense its too much wrist working .. soo wich one you will recomend to do all jobs >( can this work in a cheyene pen sol nova 4 ?
Is it still running after the cam switch? Any problems? Thanks bro
josh hollerbeck still running strong no problem buddy👌👍
@@staceydickson3530 he'll yeah bro! So I could get the 5.0 stroke and have all the cams for it lol, do you think there's any difference in the motor between the 3.5-5.0 I know they said the 3.5 has a little bit of give to it
@@staceydickson3530 bro your work is insane! I just followed you on Instagram, trying to get on your level haha
Think he said the 4.2 and the 5.0 are the same motors, 3.5 is a smaller brushed motor
How to distinguish cam 3.5&4.2?
Hey Stacey, is it possible to chance a hawk pen to a 4.0?
Not on the hawk pen unfortunately
thank you for your input boss I appreciate it , quick quiestion ..when I twist the packer open do I get it closer to the 4.2 mm stroke , or do I get the 4.2 mm stroke when I twist it back in nice ,closed and tight , when I seal my bishop tight the stroke gets longer that’s why ? And I’m not sure if that’s the 6mm stroke it mentions in its specifications on the website
U are on about throw.. that's how much the needle hangs. The machine always will have a 4.2 stroke regardless
Yeah.no machine that I know of has a 6mm stroke.the valdblad avenger pro I think it's called has a 5.2 if im correct and the bishop liner comes with the 5.0mm stroke cam
@@vapestar3705 5.5 on the avenger 2 pro
@@INKtherapy406 I seen that.i have so many rotary machines that aren't pens as it is though.i just have alot of machines....but the avenger pro 2 would be a nice machine to have
Anybody knows how to make it with the powerwand? Can’t figure it out how how to remove the back of it.
You must unscrew the place where the magnet goes...With pliers and a lot of care.Hooe it makes sense
Donde pueso conseguir las escentricas? En la paguina de bishop
hello ... I have a wand liner ... and a packer .... the issue is .... they don't have the same pulley .... and rod ...., I know that one is 5.0 and the 4.2 packer .... but they have different rods ... they are not like the ones you show. I'm a little confused
the packer .... is a piece of aluminum .... and the rod is attached ... glued .... and is made of plastic. I do not get it
@@thunderjota yours is the very first version of the wand they quikly switched it to the way he shows ...sry bro u jus got one the og ones .....
I just got the 3.5mm peak solice cam from painful pleasures for $25 & it looks almost the same as the packer cam
Did u end up haven to make the plunger for the peak cam?thought about picking up a couple as well
@@vapestar3705 no I think I just took the plunger off the original cam & threw it on the peak cam. I always wondered why nobody sold plungers to cams.. very rarely do you see a pre bent plunger for sale.. I should start bending them for the peak/wand cams & selling them on ebay! Lol
@@graffics7665 tell ya what brother bend me up a couple and I'll send ya the cash.i just don't have time.charge me what ya want
@@vapestar3705 when I have some extra time I'll bend a couple up & mail em to you.. I think I have a bunch of them I started bending for my Q1... I'll check if any of those will work or can be modified to fit
But this won’t have the built in give like the shader wand
I’ve been in both the shader and packer there all direct drive no give mechanization is installed ( The only difference are the motors ones of brushed motor and the other one is brushless one has a serious amount of strength/hit(BLDC- brushless) and the other one bogs down easier (brushed motor)
@@staceydickson3530 and volatage range packer/liner 6-8V, shader got 8,5-10V
@stacey I think the best bet would be buy a 5mm Wand and convert it to a 4.2. Should be an easy switch. Just make another push bar right??
Correct this is what I stated in other videos👍
No, you need a cam to match, but again, this will eff your machine.
Where did you buy the rod to be bent ?
You can buy plunger rods a lot of places, check your usual vendors first
Have you tried to make a 5.0 stroke to see how it lines?
Carlos Hartt not yet, not sure if I can get ahold of the 5mm cam separately.
Remember this was a fantom cam I utilized not sure if bishop will be releasing wand cams individually
@@staceydickson3530True didn't think about that before hand.
How do you think this feels compared to the shader at 3.5?
danny everett I like them both, I like the 4.2 for stretchier skin tho , 3.5 for tight skin
Stacey Dickson I mean do you think that the 3.5 in the packer tattoos different the the 3.5 in the shader since it has the give?
danny everett hey Danny I’m confused here (give?) I’ve been inside both machines and there is NO give system in the packer it is direct drive , if I had to prefer on I’d pick the packer tho
@@staceydickson3530 @danny_everett that wasnt what he was asking brotha, im actually wondering the same thing he is.. lol because i have the Bishop Shader, and this has a built in give. Your Bishop Packer is a direct drive right? How do you think they would compare against each other? Would they be similar, or would one have a complete different affect compared to the Bishop Packer with the 3.5 mm stroke that you installed in this video? 3.5 Bishop Shader vs Bishop Packer with aftermarket 3.5 stroke? How would they compare, how would the differ?
This whole gives thing that Bishop pushed it’s kind of a joke you’re more than welcome and I tell anyone tear in the both machines and you’ll see they’re the exact same thing direct drive, the only difference is the motors between the Packer and shader there is no give system in either one. The shader motor is a weaker motor and so when it runs under load it Boggs down or slows down slightly on its rotation speed, it is a flaw of the small motor used on the shader but Bishop tried to play it as a benefit “give”(which it’s not)
That means the only give is in the rotational speed & not a inline pressure Relief system in the (cam/needle bar)*direct drive component that variates the depth of the needle sticking action
Note the 3.5 shader wand has that weaker/ smaller motor, trying to size it up with a 4.2 cam becomes even more difficult for the small motor to run under any load again that’s why I suggest only modding Bishop Packers or liners they utilize the same BLDC motor they just have different cams
Did the wand 5mm vibrates a lot?
BURGER KING hello 👋, unfortunately I do not have a 5mm cam. I am assuming that the 5mm cam will only be available by purchasing the 5mm wand I doubt they will be selling the bishop 5mm cam separately I’m sure bishop will want you to buy a whole new machine to get the 5mm cam. Also remember the spare cam I used is from the bishop fantom . I think at this point since the release of the bishop 5mm wand is to purchase that version and then buy bishop fantom cams (3.5 & 4.2) to swap out👍
@@staceydickson3530 Bishop now offers a 5mm Fantom cam on their website
@@john_darkly just bought one. I’m gonna try to put it in my Bronc V9. Already have the Packer wand and a Fantom.
Who has the 5mm cam
Still running smooth?
Ramon Viada Jr. yes sir 👍
@@staceydickson3530 thanks!
Was the .9 screw hard to get out at first. Mine has broken three hex wrenches so far
Jeremy Latta excuse the delayed response, no mine came out fairly easy you may try heating up the cam there may be a lock tight kind of epoxy on it heating the epoxy will soften it
Stacey Dickson no biggy. I got it done.
Bishop claims the motors in each model are specifically designed for each stroke. This will void your warranty and likely kill your machine prematurely. Just sayin'.
The 3.5 shader does have a smaller motor then the 4.2, this is why I recommend converting the 4.2 up or down as needed.
@tat_hack has a side by side of the bishop wand shader and packed to see motor size differences
Quick note: 4.2 & 5.0 wands use same motor
@@staceydickson3530 really? I haven’t seen that anywhere, but it makes me more confident in bringing my 5.0 down to a 4.2
@@JustinGraves13 yes sir been in side all 3 of them and it’s the same BLDC motor in both 4.2 & 5.0
@@staceydickson3530 that’s sweet. As far as the push bar, I read you make that part. Since I want this as close to stock as I can, do you know if I grab a fantom or magi push bar can that be used to do this hack? Or do I need to buy one off you😂
That shit didn’t work and I just broke my bishop thanks
If you broke your machine during a simple cam swap you probably should no be hacking your machines. Don’t thank me I did not force you to do so, multiple people have had success with this conversation