Rhett's Spiritual Deconstruction - One Year Later
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- Опубликовано: 20 фев 2021
- It's been a full year (and what a year it has been) since the guys have unveiled their spiritual deconstruction stories. Listen to Rhett's one year follow-up as he discusses how he processed the year that was 2020 post-deconstruction and where he's at now spiritually in this episode of Ear Biscuits!
EB #275, Original Release Date: 2/15/2021
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It's so unbelievably nice for my favorite childhood youtubers to look into a camera and say "I know southern evangelical churches hurt people and we dont support it" because my childhood was absolute shit because of that church and for a long time no one around me understood what was going on. It really meant a lot to me last year and it means a lot to me now.
Me, too
You’ve echoed my thoughts exactly. I feel so much more connection and compassion for these guys knowing this part of their stories. I’m supportive of kind, socially aware christians but can’t support anyone who doesn’t recognise and denounce the profound harm that the religion has done over hundreds of years. It’s genuinely touching to hear that denouncement from people I’ve watched and connected with for so long.
I’m currently going through something like this I think? I went to evangelical private school and was in an evangelical church for 5 years afterwards in the worship band. I’m still trying to figure out what parts of my “shell” are from the church.
I hope that you are well, thanks for mentioning this thought.
I would love to hear Kristy and Jessie’s story. Whenever they are ready of course.
@Mazinblaster Z lol what
@Mazinblaster Z you trippin fool
same
Or even if they would ever want to, this is some real personal shit
Me too
I'm a 70 year old lady and you two make my day EVERY day! I spent most of today watching "ear biscuits " for the first time. Your videos on your deconstruct was so very moving. Very proud of your bravery!
❤ love that 70 year old are a part of the audience and Internet culture. Whenever I see comments like yours, it always reminds me there's older people on here that are sensible just because of their age and their experience. For me, I sort of affirms that it's not just use young people watching RUclips, as for me it was condemned when I was a kid about 10 years ago- p.s. u guessed it I grew up fundamentlist.
this is such a touching comment.
"Everything that I say is going to just confirm to you that I have completely departed from the truth and now live in a world of lies. I'm not talking to you. I'm talking to the person who sits next to you in church that knows better."
WOW! Just chills. I love that so much.
When Rhett almost started crying, I had to hold back tears as well. Rhett, we see you, and we really appreciate you for speaking out on these issues and your feelings of shame and regret. People, especially evangelicals, need to hear this.
That was fake af. Typical fake social justice tears. They want to be a part of the woke mob now. What a disgrace...
@@Zombot012 you’re in the wrong place. Stop trolling and go somewhere else.
@@JustinHaynes123 I've been a mythical beast for at least 8 years, so don't tell me where my place is.
@@Zombot012 if you’ve been around that long then you know they’re as authentic as they come. You may not agree with what they’re saying, but to accuse them of being fake just silly. Why stick around and comment negative things on their videos if you don’t even think they’re being honest with their content? To write off people trying to make a positive impact in society by calling them “woke” is the real disgrace. Guys like you are the reason that fighting for social justice is even necessary. But please, go ahead, oh mythical one; bury your head in the sand and continue to look down on the rest of us who want to see people treated well in society. 🙄
@@Zombot012 you’re weird dude ;/
The original spiritual deconstruction video is what had originally gotten me into ear biscuits. It’s INSANE that it’s already been an entire year since then. It just feels like a couple of months.
I know, right? Nothing interesting happened in these 12 months!
Same here!
Yes! Time flies holy cow
Same! It me deep as I also left religion
I started paying attention to Mythical stuff because of those videos!
Honestly I kind of stopped watching gmm for a while, no reason against them, just I binge things and move on. However, seeing these two as more human and vulnerable makes them so much more enjoyable to watch. I love their humor, but this is the stuff that makes me want to support someone rather than mindlessly consume as one is to do on youtube
They had off my radar for a while, my kids were really into them when they were younger. I'm the same way, I'll watch new channels I come across obsessively and then move on- so Good Mythical Morning were one of those I had watched a lot in the past. I think my youngest two still watch them as adults. But they popped up on my suggestions a few days ago, and I really got into hearing their stories. Coming across their series on deconstruction is quite timely, as I am experiencing this myself, and for a blend of similar reasoning of both of these guys.
In the time between this episode and the last, I was disowned by my evangelical parents for being transgender. Thank you so much for this episode. There is so much here that people NEED to hear.
That's awful! I hope you can reconcile your relationship with her some day, but you may not... in any case I hope you know there is an entire world of people out here that are ready and willing to accept you as you are!
Hey, my brother is dealing with the same thing. I'm so sorry you're going through this. A big sister, sending love to you
hi eli, i follow u on tik tok and i hope ur doing better now
Lol 69 likes
I know this is from a few months ago but I'm just now seeing it, and I hope more than anything you know & feel that you are loved. I hope you have good, kind, supportive people in your life. I'm so sorry your parents don't love you just as you are. My heart goes out to you and I hope that you are safe and healthy.
As a black man watching this, I am very proud of the awareness and the reflection shown.... I AM PROUD OF YOU GUYS and to be a mythical beast thank you guys
I feel the same way!!
Mixed girl here. Me tooooo
Every thing you have expressed is the same way that I feel. Thank you for being willing to expose yourself too us in this way.
Do you say you are oppressed in the US in any way?
@@Zombot012 yes. Do you not think that?
The line about kids leaving the church because their parents taught them well instead of failing them hit me personally because it gives me a new perspective and allows me feel less guilty about secretly not believing anymore yet not telling my parents.
Right there with ya, bud. Lol I haven't "come out" to my mom because I would never hear the end of it. But at least Rhett and Link make me have hope that I'm not "the bad guy" here.
I understand this question can require a more complex answer, but...what keeps you from belief? Is it Christ?
@@carpeverum1327 For me, it’s watching the obvious hypocrisy of the people who are telling me about Him. Trump support by the religion was the final nail in the coffin for me. I just cannot fathom the cognitive dissonance involved in fervently supporting behavior that is the exact opposite of everything they claim to believe in. The willingness to embrace the complete abandonment of any and all morality in exchange for some kind of perceived benefit to themselves exposed the true nature of the religion in a way that could not be ignored or glossed over.
I had already been struggling with the inherent bigotry of the Evangelical church. Listening to them preach division and love in the same breath was just too much. It wasn’t Christ. It was the lack of anything even resembling Him.
@@Sunshineandhydrangeas Hypocrisy is an unfortunate earthly reality. But...Christianity isn’t for the perfect; it’s for the broken. And, again unfortunately, hurt (broken) people hurt people. I mean, truthfully, we all individually mess up and make mistakes. However...the hypocritical actions of those who claim to follow Christ have nothing to do with the reality of Christ. Have you or how have you considered Christ through all of this?
@@carpeverum1327 Yes, dear. I spent the first 38 years of my life in the Southern Baptist Evangelical church. I even taught in a Christian school for several years. I am well acquainted with all of it. That prayer circle at the capital riot/insurrection was both chilling and familiar to me. Everything Rhett is saying here resonates with me completely. I believe that the Christ I learned about in the New Testament would be absolutely horrified by, and would completely repudiate the current church.
"he would have felt, deep down, that he didn't have permission to love her"
damn link, you got me good
Same here.
Honestly, last year, I was to afraid to watch your religious deconstructed podcasts because I knew there was a chance than my faith could not withstand even more questions that I had already volleyed at it. I’m so glad i watched anyway. Ive seen my faith swing on a pendulum this year. I’ve been my most faithful and my most distant and many points in between.
I am so glad for people like you two who encourage introspection, investigation and vulnerability.
I still don’t know what I believe, but the fact that I can admit that is the biggest change.
That's a beautiful place to be Moriah. I'm not a Christian any more myself but I found a Christian father called Richard Rohr a really beautiful and helpful resource for what healthy Christianity looks like. Just really want to share him!
@@robinanna5531 gonna watch some of his content, thanks:)
@@robinanna5531 God loves you 😊
Keep questioning, keep digging, and keep testing what you believe. If it deserves your trust, it can handle constant evaluation.
@@antonsanders3926 so true!
im glad that rhett didn't sugarcoat any of the things he said in this episode. a lot of people NEED to hear this rn
I agree, I believe that the best advice is the most blunt advice
Absolutely.
I skipped over it because it was just another voice rehashing today’s popular rhetoric.
@@mr.anthonygonzales see
@LIKE WOA U CAN'T CANCEL ME 😐
“Im not talking to you. I’m talking to the person who sits next to you in church that knows better.”
Damn ❤️
That was such a mic drop moment!
I rewound several times in both my audio & video listens. His tone hits you right in the gut, and I wouldn't ever want to be on the receiving end of that disappointment. 👏🏻
I said “oh snap” audibly while watching this by myself at 2am.
Gave me chills
It was such a powerful moment because I know I was that person next to the zealots.
As an evangelical church leader with my own unique religious journey, I just want to thank you for sharing. I don't believe for a second that "you never really were" Christians, nor do I expect you back. What you had was real. As true as that is where you are now and how you feel is just as real and important. As Christians we are called to love, period. Thank you for sharing your story, and no matter your spiritual beliefs you two are a beacon of positivity and love. Thanks for all you do
Thanks for the nice comment
As someone currently going through a deconstruction, with little to no support, I am so thankful for these videos that I have watched. Thank you for sharing your stories!
I’m not a religious person, agnostic for the record, but still find this whole thing so unbelievably cool to follow and listen to. These two are being so real and honest and you can tell they are so disappointed in themselves for the assumptions of people they once had. They changed. It’s beautiful.
@Unfiltered Reality agnostic: is a noun and means a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God. atheist: is a noun and means a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods
Just for clarification; agnosticism is an epistemological degree of thought. Epistemology is the act of knowing or not knowing. So agnostic is a prescriptive term, which is cool, but I would love to know how you DEscribe yourself. You are uncertain of a god, interesting, but do you still practice within a theology? The answer to that question would better describe your level of theism/deism or if you are in fact atheistic.
-your friendly, militant atheist. :)
@Unfiltered Reality Don't tell other people how to label themselves, it's kind of rude. In philosophy atheism is the position that there is no god and agnosticism being agnostic, not having a position either way, on whether or not there exists a god. This is how these terms are used in philosophy and while there are other definitions, you don't get to decide which ones other people have to use to label themselves. I too identify as agnostic because I don't have a position either way about the existence of god, I prefer not to use the definition of atheist you use to label myself because it isn't precise enough to describe my position.
@Unfiltered Reality just because someone doesn't actively worship a god doesn't mean they deny god's existence.... i just think the existence of a god is too complicated for anybody to understand or know for certain. that does not make me an atheist.
@@outdun this is incorrect. Atheist is not the denial of a god. It is not having sufficient evidence to believe there is a god. If I were to have a jar of hundreds of gum balls and asked you do you think it’s an even or odd number. You would probably tell me you don’t know. If another person came along and said it’s an even amount of gum balls and you told them you cannot know without counting, are you therefore telling them that it’s an odd amount? No. An atheist is not making a claim of knowing there is not a god or gods but simply not convinced of the existence
As a lifelong Baptist, A year ago I would have drawn counter points to everything you said. But over this past year, I have come to most of these conclusions myself. Seeing what my family has become over this past year, has drawn me further from the church than almost anything else.
i know it’s tough. good for you seeing through it all and coming out better because of it. ❤️sending love your way
I think God has tested a lot of people and my prayer is that you come out closer to God in all of this. I know I have come closer to God and it is sad when people have grown up in a legalistic church and thats not what God intended. Or the opposite of that.
@@wizkid2001 he literally just said what happened over the past year in his life made him distance himself from the church. you don’t have to force god on anyone. let him be. it’s OK.
@@lilwavesz i am not forcing anything on anyone, why does me wanting them to come closer to God mean that I want anything bad to happen to them?
@@wizkid2001 did i say anything about you wishing anything negative on him? No. The fact that you assumed that, that’s you projecting what your subconscious knows you’re doing. I’m saying that you wishing he would get closer to god when he LITERALLY just said he was moving away from that part of his life is counter productive. you’re trying to force something on him that he just got over. it would be like a friend trying to push you to get back with a toxic ex. or like you just decided to go vegan and then someone gets ALL IN YOUR FACE telling you how good meat is. it’s not necessary and actually kind of rude. do you understand now?
37:16 this line genuinely meant a lot to me. SPECIFICALLY the line "I'm not talking to you, I'm talking to the person who sits next to you in church who knows better." Thank you, Rhett. You are genuinely educating me, a 16 year old white boy from Metro Detroit Michigan. You aren't putting your ideas into MY head, you are telling me your story and letting me take it how I will and that means a lot.
2 years later, how's it going?
"I understand that your belief system requires you to think that" has to be one of the most simultaneously compassionate and devastating responses I think I've heard. Will probably be using this.
Rhett is really good at this. He’s so articulate and emotionally literate and lays out the facts and his feelings about it in such a powerful way. There’s an element of preaching to the choir for me, I admit, so I’m biased, but I hope the people he was talking to were listening.
I think this was more for him
I could listen to him talk for days, he's such an intelligent speaker
he really and truly is a natural preacher, and i love that he knows and points out the irony of it at points haha
As an atheist, I see many similarities to most deconversion stories. But it’s powerful all the same.
They're both just so intelligent. It's so rare to have someone in their position with the heads that they have on their shoulders
“Im talking to the person who sits next to you in church who knows better”
Bars
Omg YES, that line gave me chills!!
@@alexismaldonado9129 same 🔥
How the heck did I literally read your quoted comment AS RHETT SAID IT! No joke.
Absolute mic drop moment
when i tell u my jaw dropped
This is *exactly* the conversation I've always wanted to hear between the two of them
A life long atheist here - bawling her eyes out. This bisquit really fills my heart with hope, every time I listen to it.
I love how Rhett kept it so 💯 during this episode. We need more people like him to speak on this topic.
Haven’t listened to many of the podcasts, but both seem to keep it 💯 all the time. Otherwise, I wouldn’t be able to get through one.
He was SPOT ON, on so many points! 👍❤️🕊🔫
I completely agree. I think they're both admirable for their honesty. I like them even more
I am not a christian, and see that he trying to be genuine, but honestly the information, understandings, and his views are very skewered in a lot of ways and one sided. Meaning the actual facts and events of 2020 were very very very misguided and tumultuous and its impossible to see the "truth" unless you choose to be open minded from all sides and get the real information, instead of being told what to say and how to think. If he speaks from personal experience, thats fine and I have zero qualms about it. no judgment there. But they do live in a one sided bubble and in a society where you are not allowed to question or look for truths on the other side or ull be shunned. They felt like they were in an extremist bubble when they were chrisians and growing up in the south, but now they are in an extremist bubble in California that doesnt allow people to view all sides and make their own conclusions or they will be shunned. its a religion in itself.
@@sunshine3914 good mythical more and EB is my favorite now.
Feels more adult
Ok so I love your statement of "if you want your kids to stay in the church you don't need to change your kids you need to change your church." I am a Christian and I love you guys. Christ said love God and love your neighbors. Many of our church's do not reflect that anymore. Those of us who are still in the church need to bring the church back to christ.
You don’t need a church. Your relationship with Christ is yours and yours alone. Has nothing to do with some church
@@aivruxswod3701 I'm curious how you know what Benjamin needs for his relationship with Christ and how you know that doesn't involve the community aspect of his church.
@@aivruxswod3701
A relationship is a two way street. No one has a relationship with Christ anymore than they have a relationship with other historical figures that they admire.
@@CharlestonAES I'd argue that billions of people around the world show that you don't need a church to have that same community. Churches are exclusive. They actually block you from being a part of your WHOLE community.
@@johnjon4688 I would say as an atheist lesbian, my experiences are similar, but I don't pretend to know what is best for others in their journey of life. I know many people who find comfort and a sense of belonging from their churches but still accept me as someone worthy of respect. I chose to do the same of them.
To hear the difference from this video and the video a year ago, I’m happy to hear that they are stronger and not worried so much about people’s opinion of them. More ‘influencers’ need to be like this
As a Afro-Indigenous woman in my mid 20’s who navigates many communities affected traumatically by “ the church”, I just want to say thank you for speaking up and sharing your deconstruction of belief systems that continue to keep us separated then unified as relatives on our Mother Earth. My grandpa nearly survived the Indian Missionary Schools in the 1930’s, stripping him and our family of our native knowledge, culture, and language and now with the pandemic ravaging through native communities, I have felt hopeless at times... I hope all people, no matter their believe systems, take the time they need to truly listen and hear what others are experiencing not as a form of charity but to be reflexive on what they have been taught as truth. Much love 💙
Thank you for sharing your narrative. I feel you and feel for you
It’s crazy to think white Christians at the time could justify their behavior until it’s realized that behavior is still reflected and existent today... thank you for sharing your story, your voice is needed and heard
speaking as a lesbian for context, i teared up when link started talking about how kids inherently know what it is to love someone
We all know what it is self defence and violence as a means to obtain something and disgust is very simple is something or someone we want away from us like poop or rotten things. Hate for someone who did you no harm has to be learned. If you want good people to do bad things you need religion.
I echo this as a bisexual. How can it be a death sentence to love a woman. You just love the person, it's how love works.
That story was really beautiful. Is there anything more pure than a kid’s unmitigated love for somebody that cares about them? They don’t know how to hold back and there’s nothing that complicates their feelings, it’s just pure.
@@heyhorinshi does that include judaism?
@@jacksonmiller6679 I-
I love the vulnerability. Rhett’s deconstruction video is still one of my all time favorites. I’ve been a GMM fan since almost the beginning and I love these guys on set being silly and making me laugh, but what really got me was the deep open conversation about a very personal thing in their lives. They didn’t do it for us, they did it for themselves. But man, how incredible to hear these deep intellectual thoughts from these guys. They are so well spoken. They are always trying hard to better themselves and to understand themselves. If anything I love them even more now. And I’m encouraged to look deeper within myself. For that I am grateful.
Couldn’t have put it better myself, thank you
Agreed
I love this....this is everything I feel....these guys are very special, truly amazing humans xx
As someone who is currently deconstructing from a very oppressive religion, these videos have been so encouraging to me. Thank you for sharing your experiences
Love how honest you are. Being able to cry because you are ashamed of your past and how you thought is STRONG. You were vulnerable and allowed the audience to see who you really are. You a genuine kind individual.
THANK YOU RHETT for having the balls to call out Trump and the racist connection within Evangelical Christian movement. I think this is the most honest you've ever been. I cried when you cried. I feel that emotion from you. You guys have become our friends. You are more than just entertainment for us. We are deeply invested in not only your art but you as people. 💚
I very much appreciated his demeaning and guilt tripping attitude toward evangelical Christians. It was sooooo nice😐 this was awful. He really lumped all those people together and insulted them. This is not the way to go about unifying people or being a mythical beast.
THIS
I am glad too. They'll probably lose some viewership for it, but who cares? Call a spade a spade; the Evangelical Christian movement has not shown God's love and grace to others but rather prejudice and shame. I appreciate the way they keep repeating that it is *their* interpretation. Rhett and Link are not telling people how or what to believe in, but are discussing the results of those beliefs.
I personally believe in freedom of religion, but I also believe in consequences for actions!
This is one of many reasons why I left the evangelical side of the aisle, their idolizing and propping up of Trump a criminal who twists and fakes Christianity in order to use conservatives to get his way, is ghastly.
@@rlee7389 hit a nerve? Only applies if the shoe fits
I'm a Christian and appreciate your honesty and openness. Regardless of what I believe spiritually, you are absolutely correct about how Christians behaved and presented themselves this past year. I hate it, but it's true. We as Christ's representatives did not do our jobs.
This is my main issue with organised religion as an atheist, I couldn’t sleep at night knowing I was in the same “club” as people doing and saying things that were this reprehensible or wrong. I’d need to know they weren’t like me at all, and atheism is the only way for me to achieve that :(
@@oliverbanks3396 satanism pal, it’s a great group of people
Thanks for your self-reflection, Luke. I'm a Christian as well and conversations like this could be difficult at times but we really need to have them. I want the church to be seen as positive rather than a group that persecutes people. It'll be a lot of hard work since other Christians seem to be tone-deaf on social justice issues
@@bryanvillafana5153 the church that I attend focuses on what they are for, not what they are against, but it is mostly conservative with the congregation. We have people of all races and backgrounds come because its a community church as all should be. We teach from the Bible completely and I was going to ask the question about what social justice issues and how do you define social justice?
@@chrishansen2409 lol good meme dude, satanism teaches selfishness
I got literal chills when you said that children are leaving the church because they DO know the truth.
same here!
nobody knows the truth.
@@jack-uv6mttrue, but you can also clearly see when people are being disingenuous- such as the church not actually following the teachings of christ
As someone raised in a Southern Baptist church (and left) and still lives in the south, I really appreciate this. I have always felt a bit embarrassed to even live in the South and 2020 made it even more unbearable for me. I feel very close to this conversation that you had and I have nothing more to add. Just a chance to say THANK YOU. I hope people hear you. 💖
I would really love to hear Jessie telling her story! About her journey ❤️
Me too!
Me too!!
Me too! Especially from a female standpoint, because our experience in the church is so different from our male counterparts
@@143cookiemonster 100%, the freedom I felt when leaving the church was life changing. I felt burdened with having to lead my husband to the right path, to gift my deity with more followers by birthing them, to being the religious stronghold of my marriage. Now I am free to explore my own sense of self and my own purpose as an equal person in this world.
Yes! I would love to hear it as well!
I initially listened to this on iTunes but had to come here to comment as well. The grace and vulnerability in this discussion is something that is so beautiful and rare. Hearing both R&L talking in such a heartfelt and honest way about their personal growth and especially the way they're raising their kids gives me faith in humanity. If I could get anyone to listen to just one episode of Ear Biscuits, or really one episode of any podcast in general, it would be this one.
"I have pride in the way that I think about the way that I think" is a damned good line and one of my biggest issues, too.
As a former Christian as well, and as a queer immigrant person of color, this was honesty very healing to listen to
Rhett sounds so afraid of a lot in this episode and link is so humble about the journey they’ve gone through. I’m not sure what it is but I love both! Thank both of them for being there for all of us!
As a Christian and long-time fan of the show, I have to say that I love these episodes. I’m a Christian, but I am married to an atheist. Seeing him go through a similar journey to Rhett has definitely given me more compassion for those that leave the faith. I think the church gives too many good reasons to leave. Hearing Rhett talk about why kids are leaving nowadays gives me pause. Thank you for sharing such a vulnerable side of yourselves. Can’t wait to hear Link’s update.
@@MP_heehee you don’t have to go to church to be a Christian it’s just having a relationship with God
I feel the same, Gennesis, though I am not married to an atheist.
@@dianacostello6173 Not really. That’s American individualism, not Christianity. The Bible calls Christians not to abandon their communities.
@@Alex.Kalashnik yes but it also say don’t put your eyes on man and if your letting a person decide your faith cause of what they are doing in church should I end my relationship with God?
As an atheist, i hope you know how much your love and support for your family means to them despite them leaving the church! It seems obvious, but my mom’s love keeps me going and she’s still in the church
I'm a non-denominational Christian, and I completely agree with Rhett's points about the blatant hypocrisy that we have seen in the church in the modern era, and especially this year. Thank you for your openness and honesty. I hope that one day we can see a more Christ-like church.
I have been deconstructing (without realising it) for a few years after burning out in professional ministry. Thank you for your transparency, truth and vulnerability. Your observations of American evangelicalism is bang on (as a recent immigrant to the US). You guys are amazing! And this episode had me in tears!
Anyone else watching here after having already listened to the podcast several times this week? Just an incredible, powerful 90 minutes.
Yep.
I only listened once. I have kept replaying the points in my head. Back because I need to SEE it happen.
@@estrellacruz1139 You are so right. Before their deconstruction episodes, I had always listened, but never made an effort to watch Ear Biscuits too. Watching these episodes has been a whole different, powerful experience.
I’m Hindu but I find hearing about people’s experiences in the Church so fascinating. I’m sure many people have their own opinions and are often too scared to voice them. Loved this!!
God loves you
Why are you Hindu? ✌️♥️
@@georgebee3090 Probably because their parents are
I highly doubt many people are choosing to get into religion
@@theambergryphon4266 Im also 19 and choose to stay within my religion…..
@@niyati8716 That's because you were likely born into a hindu family
It would be extremely unlikely for you to choose to become a hindu if your family isn't hindu
I didn’t expect to be hit so hard by these videos. Everyone has a reason to question things. Been a paramedic for six years which led to my questioning things. As someone that escaped a high control religion, I gotta say, you’re both brave for being so open about this. Started doing research about religious trauma syndrome. So very little is known about it, even now with all of our advancements. It’s people like you guys, and guys like John Cedars and others that are truly giving people inspiration. Keep it up guys!
Rhett is telling it like it is! Rhett you may not consider this preaching but this is one of the BEST sermons I’ve ever heard 👏🏾🤎
This entire journey has moved me beyond words and tears. As a religious "refugee " myself I see myself in everything they're saying. It's a mirror for me, albeit an uncomfortable one. Maybe what we need is to feel uncomfortable so we can confront this. Thank you for sharing your journey, stay well.
I feel the same way listening to this I went on this journey and I just FELT every word
As someone who doesn't follow any religion, this has been insanely intriguing to understand. And I would like to say, as an agnostic individual, I couldn't even consider changing my life to push whatever religion I was apart of. I was raised as a British Christian and told that I shouldn't like X Y Z. Now I realised I wasn't going against God. Love each other, love the people who hate you, love is the best thing we do
At least the Church of England is really just more like a community center. Many there are 'Christians' but not religious.
This inspired me. I don’t know how, or what to say, but I just felt like sharing. Thank you for commenting.
Idk what I believe Idk if I agree with everything that you guys say but one thing I agree with fully is something that can be summed up by a quote by Gandhi “I like your Christ but not your Christians because your Christians are nothing like your Christ”
Coming from a southern Baptist background in Kentucky, this entire episode resonated with me so deeply. I left the church when I was 14. Thank you for talking about these things, it is very much necessary for people with a platform like you guys to talk to us people in podunk towns who don't get to hear our peers with Southern accents and backgrounds speak like this.
As someone who’s working through their religious trauma and trying to figure their faith out you don’t know how much this episode helped me. It’s so good to know that I’m not alone.
You're not alone. Over the past few years I have been sort of absent from the church. Over the past year I have found more comfort in identifying myself as spiritual but not religious. And whenever I have awkward conversations or fights about religion with my Christian family members, I try and remind myself that I'm not the only person in this kind of situation. There are lots of kids who are going through the same stuff with their families.
Religious trauma is really hard to navigate through and I agree this has been very helpful. You are not alone! I’m going through it too
The "never really christian" argument is so transparent as a personal defense to the fear the critics themselves have about losing their faith. That's my read on it, at least. It's such a low blow, with so little compassion or understanding for the journey of another person - what else could it come from than that fear? The fear of doubt in their own faith that seems to exist in so many evangelicals. Again, just my read on it.
People always talk about “believing like a child”, and it’s true that when you’re a child it is easy to have a true and honest relationship with God because of the way that He is presented to you. In my youth I definitely believed in God with no caveats whatsoever, it was only in my teen years that I started to fall off the train and eventually gave up on the Christian faith altogether, for similar reasons to what Rhett has discussed in both of these episodes of his. If it is possible to be an atheist for several decades and then be born again, and be welcomed into the church as a true Christian, then the opposite must also be true. I mean, one of the main things I remember from church is how often the pastor would say that doubt is okay, it is only human to doubt and to struggle with your faith. Many Christians are in a constant battle in this regard. Some of them just happen to “lose” that battle, and leave the church. I don’t see why people can’t apply that logic.
@@ruancoetzee9779 Yeah, that's a good point. I suppose the answer to that last sentence is what Rhett said, that is, "they don't have a choice" with the caveat that - if they are unwilling to question their own faith or find any validity in another person's decision to leave faith - their only choice is to invalidate those other experiences. I don't personally think that's totally true, but it's pretty close
i don't understand the logic of your (or rhett's) argument. certainly people can "lose their faith" in a religion, but once you do, that faith by definition becomes invalidated. how does a non-Christian argue that they really were a Christian before? or how link said (or, i assume, "slipped in saying"), he was "saved"? as a non-Christian you don't believe there is a need to be "saved" from anything - you don't believe that the Christian religion is valid; and even if you once did "believe", you now must accept you were misled - that that faith was really a fantasy - and therefore could never really have been a Christian. in other words, you can't say you really were once a Christian when you don't believe the fundamentals of Christianity are real anymore.
@John DeFilippo I'll try explain my understanding: just because your views change on something, doesn't mean you don't remember what it was like to have different views. I remember what it was like growing up Chrisitan and what I believed, and the fact that now I don't believe those things doesn't mean that past me was never a Christian, it just means I changed. If you think back to any views you've changed in your lifetime I think it might make more sense. By that I mean, if you changed political views from Rep to Dem for example, it doesn't mean you were never Republican or a 'true' Republican, it just means you were then, but at some point and because of a host of factors, you changed your mind and became something else. I think it's a pretty natural process of growth and change to experience that kind of thing.
@@joshmason179 i don't mean to imply that you don't remember what it was like to have different views - certainly you remember, and certainly you can "lose your faith" as you said (and i affirmed). but to say that that "doesn't mean that past me was never a Christian" doesn't make sense. to be a Christian requires, among other things, the God of the Bible to exist and have an indwelling relationship with you. if you no longer believe that, than it logically invalidates your former belief - the God of the Bible doesn't exist and therefore never actually dwelt in you so you were never really a Christian. it's not just like changing your feelings to prefer x to y, because here y necessitates x doesn't exist. in your example, like in ruan's, both "views" are tangible entities that continue to exist whether you change your mind about them. it's apples and oranges.
As someone who has a lot religious Trauma I started sobbing during this episode. I was hurt so badly by the church and to see Rhett no just saying the whole “Christians just do what his wants and they are all doing the good for the world”. That good only helped one type of people. I wasn’t being helped when my mother preacher told that beating us as kids was the proper way to raise a kid. It didn’t help me when I was beaten half to death by other kids I’m my church when I was only ten because I had a crush on someone of my own gender. It didn’t help me when I was sent to conversion therapy because I was trans and gay. None of that helped me. I’m so damaged now and there’s no taking back that. I knew that wasn’t what the Bible talked about and I said “I’m done. If this is Christianity I don’t want it!”
I just. I really appreciate that Rhett didn’t try to defend all of that. I’m so grateful to Rhett and link. When I had to grow up alone with out my parents there when I needed them I had gmm. And I’ll never forget how much that saved me. I’m so so grateful to these two. Thank you from the bottom of my heart
Rhett telling how leaving the church has been like a huge weight lifted from your shoulders AND how looking things and people with no predisposed us-vs-them lenses has helped a lot with the understanding why certain "brothers and sisters" were actually horrible people and how do you actually recognize them.. abusers and some actual psychopaths.. it has led me to a place where I have actually good reasons to (or not to) trust people.. and all that has led to a better life.
they're not leaving the church because they don't know the truth they're leaving because they do.... RHETT OMG
Stunning line.
this is so true, it's why I left the entire faith
That's absolutely how I feel. I was taught to believe in objective truth, and over the past five years I've watched Christians I used to respect just straight up reject proven truths from reliable, unbiased sources, because facts conflicted with their opinions. Made me think, "if these people are so intellectually dishonest with themselves and others over politics, why would I assume that doesn't also stretch to their religious beliefs as well?"
Evangelical Christianity in general trains you (or at least it trained me) to reject evidence that conflicts with your pre-established beliefs. But evidence is not the enemy of truth, and if your belief system must reject facts to survive, how can you say it's the truth?
This line is so accurate. He’s dropping TRUTH BOMBS.
Those words will damn him if he doesn't repent
As someone with little to no religious background, this was not only very insightful but also inspiring. Hats off to you both for having the honesty and bravery to share your experiences with your audience, and at large the world. It's always refreshing to witness people grow by continuously engaging in self-reflection, and I am looking forward to hear where you two will be next year.
This has got to be my all-time favorite podcast/podcast series. So honest, so heartfelt, and so insightful. I love that this series is a thing and that Rhett and Link made these.
Shit man.. When Rhett started crying, I did too.
Love this show. You're leaving a good footprint behind you.
As someone that used to be heavily involved in Christianity...Your explanation of Trump not being Christ-Like has been my exact argument and main source of confusion around his Christian supporters. I feel this episode.
I’ve been baffled (as a Christian) how a good chunk of Christians think Trump is a legit Christian. I’m pretty sure he only said it to get brownie points and he has miserably failed over and over to demonstrate being one
Yeah no one is “Christ Like”. Certainly not any of the political candidates. People aren’t supporting Trump because they think he’s Christ like. They’re supporting Trump because he’s not a globalist cabal leader and thinks an American President should put America first. Rhett and Link preach tolerance but immediately blocked me on Twitter when I made a Pro Trump comment on one of their tweets 😂
@@kaylan369 if you’re pro- trump, you’re straight up a racist!
@@pippinhillhaviland1147 please explain why? What exactly has Trump done to make you think he’s racist?
@@kaylan369 for me it was when he failed to denounce white supremacists given multiple opportunities. "Stand back and stand by"
The original videos were how I started listening to Ear Biscuits.
Me too
Same here!
Same.
Having conversations like these make me so proud that I watched you guys growing up. I found you in like 2nd grade and as an ex-Christian myself about to turn 16, it’s so comforting to know that this kind of discourse is not only ok, but healthy.
If I may ask what do you believe now
You're not alone, Rhett. It makes me cry too. Thank you for sharing so passionately.
As a mythical beast of over 10 years, even back to the Fast Food Folk Song days. And as a former evangelical myself, also reformed. Also a former missionary. As a fellow North Carolinian. Fellow southerner. I saw my own feelings displayed in the raw through Rhett. Is it weird for a fan to be proud? I am. Better than many I understand that deconstruction. I'm still going through mine and I'm quite stuck in the "angry" phase. But seeing you guys, I know I'm going to come out a better person.
If it helps with the anger - I am also a deconstructed Christian now, largely because of what I heard in their videos. But I can’t find any anger towards the church at all. In fact, I’m hesitant to even share my journey with my Christian friends because I don’t want to destroy their faith because losing mine was such a heartbreaking process that I don’t wish on them.
I’m not angry because, true or not, becoming a born again Christian saved my life and made me a better person. I’m an ex-compulsive liar, who had many friends like me, and I’m the only one I’ve ever known to have fully gotten out of lying, and that’s because I was the only one of faith. I stopped self harming because of my faith. I broke up with my abusive boyfriend because of my faith. I found a purpose and a joy that kept me alive during years of mental illness and unspeakable trauma. If I’d never converted, I would be a worse person today. I wouldn’t have all of the difficult standards that plague me every day, but I also would be an absolutely miserable and unhealthy person.
There IS a place for the church. I understand why you’re so angry - the deceit, the abuse, and the manipulation... But there is some good in it, and it has a place on this earth.
@@KallieMae may I ask if your faith in God helped you through all of those horrible things than why did you lose your faith ? And also do you miss having such faith
Is the Taco Bell folk song really ten years old? My stars, does time ever soar
As a North Carolinian, 42 year old, white male agnostic ex-evangelical who came to/from God a few years sooner than you... this was cathartic and so well done. Weirdly, my favorite scientific theory has always been the infinite worlds theory.
Is there any truth to his words from your own experience?
@@Noneofyourbyisness I'm about 15 years younger than them and grew up in Texas, but had a very similar upbringing spiritually. My dad is a preacher and there was a time when I was heading down that path. And I can say every single word hits home. There are many, many people, especially in the southern U.S., who have a very similar story.
I'm very intrigued by the many worlds idea. It makes a lot of sense to me and I'm more than 50% sure it's true
Many worlds seems to be the only way to apply quantum mechanics to the macro deterministic model, science is so much better than myths
Fight the fight. Keep the faith. God is real. You can turn your back from Him, but it doesn't make him any less real. If He isn't your god, you are making yourself a god and that's not a great path.
I just wanted to take a moment to really thank you guys. I mean all the content you guys make is always great and you guys have been keeping me entertained since long before GMM was a thing. I remember watching your songs to sing while driving video and your drive thru folk song and your rap battle videos, etc. Your content has always been something I could watch on bad days and it would help make them a little better. This little series of your spiritual deconstructions has been something more than just entertainment to me though. I grew up in southeastern Kentucky as the son of a pastor of a missionary Baptist church. and I come from a family where every man had at one point become a preacher so me believing in the teachings of the church was never a question. I was there every time the doors were open, we visited churches, led singing, hosted revivals, essentially everything you guys referred to, although our churches probably would disagree on a few points. Lately there have been some events occur in my own life as well as with my family that really led me to question the validity of my church's teachings and has consequently led me to question the belief as a whole. I have found myself in a very similar place as Rhett where I have just found proof after proof that completely contradict what I believe and trying to speak to someone form the congregation about it and have a real discussion about it is basically impossible. It has meant so much to me to know that I'm not the only person who has gone through this, and that other people who were also so ingrained into their belief have also been led to question its validity. Right now I'm still at a place of uncertainty but I am no longer able to be a member of my faith like I once was. I sincerely want to thank you guys for being able to talk about this subject in such a relatable and personal way because it has truly helped me along my path as well. Thank you to both of you.
This is such an important discussion to have. I found myself pausing so many times and thinking back on how I was raised and what I was taught and how I changed while growing up thanks to the internet. There’s still so many things to learn and understand and I try to challenge myself, my family and friends regularly to grow. Thank you for having these conversations and sharing them. I can’t imagine how hard it is to be in the public eye and being this vulnerable and open and asking for criticism. Thank you for helping me and others grow.
I grew up the same way. When my older sister told me she was gay, that was the last straw when it came to continuing to believe what I was taught. I love my sister and our faith had no room for her, so I left it. There were a lot more straws, mind you, but that was the one that broke the camels back.
God still loves y’all both though and I pray for the best to both of you 😊
i'm still bisexual to b clear lol but
yeah it's no fun when ppl always act like the word lust means love it doesn't
@@jonathanjaynes. that’s not what people want to hear man, keep your faith to yourself. You can say god loves them all you want, your holy book does not. so it really doesn’t come off positive you saying that
@@jonathanjaynes.Unfortunately i agree with the comment above as someone who is part of lgbt community we have heard so much of gods love and had it be hate so much more often than it actually being love we usually experience pain rather than happiness when people say things like this even when the intention is clearly good. Thank you sincerely for trying. Lets try and treat all with care, respect and love.
I listened to this on Spotify when it came out but I knew I had to comment on this video.
The adoration I feel for these two men is palpable. They are so humble and truly truly learned from their own mistakes and educated themselves on these issues. And it's so uncommon and wonderful when it happens.
And to be so open and share this with a huge following is so brave and I can't help but appreciate them and love them for that. Among countless other things.
This is such an important conversation! I watched/listened to both of their original deconstruction podcasts and felt my soul resonating in an instant. To break away from how you were born and raised is so incredibly hard and scary. But when what is inside of you is screaming that something is off, and you decide to listen to follow the path to truth is a beautifully transforming and loving thing. Thank you Rhett and Link for sharing your soul's journey. My story, like many, are filled with pain, fear, hate, confusion and captivity of my mind. I've found my way out and have a reborn feeling which I find ironic. Captain you own Ship! 💚
I just watched both of these deconstruction updates. This is such an important conversation and I thank you for having it openly and candidly!
When link said “our love for one another is as strong as ever” I immediately cried lol
timestamp?
@@haaniahali2219 right at the beginning, 2:51
@@shawnasideas thank you!!
You can tell it’s not though.
Hearing you both talk is so reassuring that this world has people who can change and can be truly good. I’m gay and have been questioning my gender for a while, but much of my family is evangelical christian and I haven’t been able to safely talk about it around them. Whenever I try to learn about religion, I panic internally because they have instilled so much fear in me about it, but I’m able to listen to Rhett and Link. You two have given me a lot.
Gay
@@otism4347 yeah
No one is good.
@@frenchtoast2319 dab
Im not an active earbuiscuits listener but oh man has these episodes connected for me so massively. Being brought up in a strict religion and being able to move on and find your own sense of morals and reestablishing what is your guideline is something I had such a time going through. I went through this earlier than Rhett and Link, but I just have such vivid memories of playing in my church's band every sunday, and feeling like not only was I lying to myself, but other people and not trusting myself for those thoughts was such a mind warp. I can't tell you how much these videos have meant to me as someone else who went through a similar journey, so thank you
I admit to being less enthused about episodes that aren't fun like the hot sauce ones, but as I watch this, I remember what it was that got me started watching you guys. This offering is sincere and has depth. Integrity. Thanks for a solid dose of humanity, it helps.
I first found Rhett and Link while working at a christian camp in college. After listening to this, it’s like a Xanax for my soul to know other people went through this same spiritual ark. These dudes are the realest. Thanks Mythical Beasts.
"leading kids astray". It's almost like that's called "freedom of religion". The insistence that they're religious freedoms must be protected, while their own children get no such freedom infuriates me.
Bottom line is good Christian parents teach their kids to believe in the bible and there are apologetics and proof for the bibles historical correctness but they teach their kids to put their own faith to the test as the bible also says I read the bible and simply all that I do as far as my faith comes from that book freedom of religion has nothing to do with it 😂 the freedom of religion is what our country put in place so that there would not be concequence for a certain religion
@@raiderfoster5506 Good parents don't force a religion on their children. Good parents respect their children's rights to choose how to live their life.
@@ImDemonAlchemist Good parents lead their kids to follow the things they have found beneficial in their life. This logic extended to it’s fullest extent could be applied to any lesson. “How dare you insist your kid shower and brush their teeth? Maybe they don’t want to live life like that!”
@@chrismcginnisvo If you don't see the difference between forcing a child to follow your religion and making them develop good hygiene habits than I genuinely pity you.
@@ImDemonAlchemist You miss the point entirely: parents teach their kids the things they have found to be beneficial in life. They’re supposed to do that. It’s not forcing them into something against their will. It’s raising them. As an adult that child can decide to make changes, but until they are mentally capable, parents make those decisions for them
This is absolutely incredible. Thank you guys. It takes real strength, courage, and humility to speak about these issues in such an open and honest way. You guys are amazing people, and I’m so proud to be a part of the mythical family. You guys are role models and everything I aspire to be.
Never apologize for your emotions - you're the man Rhett! Self-reflection is hard as s*** and seeing you explore your past with open eyes shows how strong you are. We got you, homie!
This is the best piece of Mythical Entertainment that's ever been mythically entertained.
this is probably the best episode so far - powerful, vunerable, incisive. excited to hear Link's perspective next week.
My husband and I have had so many conversations about these same things in the past year. Thank you for opening up ❤️
Rhett I really appreciate you sharing your 20+ years of experience despite how difficult it is. I really respect that you challenged yourself to share your opinions despite what other people think. It shows a lot of growth and maturity to achieve that level.
Having listened to this on Monday, I know that the video version is going to hit even harder. That's not a bad thing. Thank you Rhett for being so open and honest. Your passion and anger are IMHO totally justified. If this podcast makes just 1 person sit up and think then that can only be a positive.
I am one person who is now thinking
Im an atheist but i love how you guys are free spiritual thinkers instead of follow the rules from an institution with so much hate and ignorance. Be excellent to each other
Well, that's the thing I been wondering. Do they see themselves as atheists now?
@@QueenofWheels i dont think so, maybe they dont care for labels or being in an institution
@@QueenofWheels I think they described themselves as agnostic but open to having their minds changed (that was a year ago tho, so things might have changed)
@@QueenofWheels I think, in their minds, that's still a term with negative connotations attached to it. Rhett said he had "his moment of atheism" in the spiritual deconstruction video almost in a derogatory sense. Even though he probably is technically an atheist. He not convinced of any gods existence, that's what an atheist is. Plain and simple. But he probably grew up with and around people who made the term "atheism" a bad word.
You sound like someone that's full of hate and ignorance if you're going to label such a broad group of people like that.
I just found this series and now, several hours into it, I just have to say how incredibly happy I am to hear y’all talk about this stuff. And how proud I am to hear you speak so openly about all of it.
I love you guys so much more after these few hours of listening to your journeys. ❤️🧡💛💚💙💜🖤🤍🤎
I need you to know that I needed this so much. Everything you're talking about, I am currently living as a 29yr old mom in the middle of deconstruction and struggling with my family relationships because of everything that's going on in the world. I love you guys so much. My 4yr old son loves Good Mythical Morning. I just need you to know how much I needed to hear these stories and information and your emotional response to your past selves.
This is probably the best episode of Ear Biscuits I've heard. Getting to hear Rhett and Link in their most open moments, hearing their truest, most unvarnished opinions make for the best content. Hoping episodes like this will be able to convert some people out of a virulent and toxic culture/ideology they have found themselves in.
@Unfiltered Reality What are you talking about? I think the comments do genuinely reflect how people feel.
absolutely ! loved this episode when i listened on audio so much, rhetts such an intelligent and eloquent speaker.
I'm so glad you're giving these ideas a platform. I know a lot of people need to hear this right now. My own spiritual journey has mirrored Rhett's and my greatest pain is not being able to share what I've learned with as many open ears as I wish I could.
This, as well as their previous deconstruction videos, make me love them even more than I did before. I didn’t think it was possible. I have so much respect for y’all.
These videos have been incredible to watch, we spent 4 hours last night til 3am just totally wrapped up in your stories. I am so proud of how much you guys have grown and the way you are able to reflect on the problematic parts of your past.
Rhett and Link’s unwavering resolve for honest self-reflection is, I believe, a model for behaviour that will help us thrive in the future. It’s certainly not easy, but nothing worth doing ever is. Kudos to you, Rhett and Link, and thank you!
Growing up around the same areas you guys did, and growing up transgender and not feeling connected to faith and feeling guilty about it since before I can remember... Having you guys really makes a difference in my heart and in my mind. I don't feel guilty about not believing anymore. You guys really help a lot, and you move me to tears constantly with episodes like this. (With Tr*mp, of course it's everywhere here in the South... along with my family being heavy supporters is terrifying. Knowing you guys hate him, makes me feel a lot more welcome here.) I'm so thankful for you guys, and I really appreciate the honesty and how raw you guys are on here. Thank you for these episodes.
This is one of the most powerful "testimonies" I have ever heard. Thank you so much for this. I'm new to watching your youtube shows and my goodness I am fully on board with all of this realness.
a year ago, your deconstruction vid helped me through my own. this was a beautifully developed update. love to you both
NEVER apologize for feeling so strongly. Emotions are a good thing.
Hate is an emotion.
@@GeorgeKottakis when was hate present in this discussion?
@@CEO_Bogwater Nowhere. I just disagree with her statement. It is obviously false. Emotions are not always a good thing and the notion of never apologizing is wrong. I'm an atheist mythical beast btw.
@@GeorgeKottakis Hate is an emotion, and hate is a needed emotion. Hate - or any other emotion - inherently isn't bad. How you express your emotions, hate included, is important. You might act "bad", but the emotion behind your actions isn't bad.
I'm an atheist too btw, never have been a part of any religion.
@@GeorgeKottakis sometimes it isnt a bad thing
this is such a good conversation! as a christian, these are conversations i have with my friends constantly. we challenge each other on these topics and the intricacies of each one. i just want to say thank you for starting these conversations where they wouldn’t have been started otherwise! i really do hope that my generation can help change the culture of the church; shifting it back to Christ.
Honestly people have a problem with the church not God and that was me too til I came back to the Bible. I haven’t been to church in a while bc pandemic (and I think people tend not to be compassionate for another during this pandemic tbh)but watch it on the internet sometimes 💕
@@Strawberry95shortie That's one issue I had with Rhett's logic. He's wondering why so many voted for Trump when he was the guy saying he'd open up churches for people like me who haven't been allowed to go to one thanks to the pandemic. I'd proudly vote for Trump if he were a Satanist since at least he's not the one taking away a right as basic as going to church just because of a virus that happens to be slightly worse than the flu.
I dont think this conversation was fair, but I agree with you in everything else. I am at Liberty University right now, but we focus on the Bible, not the "White Church" as they put it.
@@redlethe8679 an important part of religion and believing in god is understanding that in times of strife you need to lean on your own relationship with god wherever you may be. If you are a believer in god you know that god would want us to help our fellow humans which in turn explains the masks and the closing of non essential businesses. The building itself shouldn't be the main reason you believe it comes from your heart which is in your body. Absolutely no one said you had to stop believing so to say that you would vote so quickly is such an extreme invalidation of all the sick who did die is heartless.
The fact you also mentioned your work within therapy is so much appreciated. It's important for self-work and ending the stigma of mental health services and illnesses.
-Art Therapist
Absolutely loved the calling out of selfish evangelical Christians. This is so important. Also, this helps me so much as an anti-religious person struggling with questions about spiritual elements beyond my comprehension, and feeling ok about the uncertainty. I was raised catholic and was very touched by what you said about why kids are leaving the church.
Love love you guys!