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Now that "Way of Water" is out, I cannot wait to see "Avatar: Approach of Air", "Avatar: System of Stone" and "Avatar: Fashion of Fire".
I would say the first one is or System of Stone or Approach of Air and the finale should 100% be the Fashion of Fire because it sounds as a very cool name (also well done with the names, I wish I came up with them).
@@tanomgoldy6755 The names are just synonyms for "way" in alliterative form
But then, everything changed when the Fire Fashionistas attacked
I think the first avatar movie would definitely check off the "air" category already. Flying mounts, floating mountains...
I'm looking forward to part 6; "Manner of Matter", where it all gets /very/ metaphysical and existential
I so want a sequel where a shaman goes,"There are too many humans,they keep coming back. We have to cut them off at the source". Then the blue catfolk invade Earth and every human is placed under the command of their house pet. Roll credits.
yessss
Rumbling, Rumbling, it's coming Rumbling, Rumbling.... BEWAREEEEEEEE!!
But Grand Empress Momo is already our overlord!
"Avatar: Housecat Origins" I would totally watch that.
Please
There's one big glaring flaw that really bugged me the entire last part of the film and nobody seems to be mentioning here - where the HELL did the entire water tribe wander off to in the middle of the final battle? We see them handily winning against the whaling boats, then the angry whale belly-flops on top of the hovership and from then on we don't see a single tribal warrior and the main cast have to finish the battle themselves - even though the chief's daughter is still in danger! I intend to watch the extended edition sometime and I really hope there's a missing scene explaining this.
Tots agree...even the crab subs disappeared lol...Cameron just didn't know what do to with them story-wise so he just ignored them completely...when the Water Tribe Leader Woman retrieved her double bladed spear weapon I was expecting her to take out the bad guy for murdering her Whale Sister & Child, but nope...nada...nothing. After 13 years in development, his story should have been nearly, if not absolutely, flawless, but it ain't by a long shot.
I personally actually like that he did that, yes I know it kinda don’t make sense they would disappear but the good outweighs is because the story was all about “Sullys stick together” and you really just want that last final showdown to be about a father and mom saving their children. In a time with all this superhero fins it’s good to see a film where the mom and dad is the hero to save the day but than again in avatar2 the kids save their parents, a complete family movie.
@@jaybanks3463 To be fair, considering it's a pair of 3 meters tall alien warriors - one being an ex-US Marine - beating up essentially fishermen and a few security guards in a very video game fashion, it isn't as far from the superhero feel as Cameron would like us to think. Even the "elite" squad of Avatar'd soldiers are getting one-shot. The captain of the whale boat literally makes a line about how the bad guys can't aim for shites. At least in the first movie during the final battle casualties were mounting on both sides on both fronts.
Exactly. That's all I'm going to say.
Even though it strikes a lot of the same beats, I think they are done differently. Jake taming the biggest bird seemed to be about him learning the Na’vi ways and gaining the strenght for the final battle. When his son befriended the whale, it was more about understanding and friendship. He didn’t do it for power, but for the connection he lacked. Thats why it felt different to me.
Yeah same plot different purpose. I guess in some ways befriending this big dangerous (murderous?) beast was a way of gaining respect though. But really it was so as to connect as to the whaling plotline...
Like I don't think he got much respect at all. Yeah, in the end, they were thankful that the whale helped in the fight but throughout the movie, it was a bad thing to be friends with this creature and everyone was like not understanding, talking him out of it. Just my impression
Jake's kid being an outcast and making friends with the one emotional space whale that was also outcast was just so heavy handed and lame. This whole movie was just one trope after another, and it retread the same story beats one after another - same dialogue, even.
I can't believe how bad this movie was lmao I love the first one - watched it yesterday - but this one is just crap.
@@hanburgundy4317 Yeah, it is a very basic plot with well known tropes. Rare material being discovered and people destroying environment because of its extraction. The father and son relationship was also told many times in movies, shows, books and other media. Teenage girl that does not fit in with people around her. And the revenge arc is also very basic with an almost certain redemption coming in the future movies. It is not a groundbreaking story and I dont think it’s trying to be with a basic plot like that.
Basic stories can be fun too and I think this one was very well done, as was the first one. (Not to mention the visuals and the music. Those were simply brilliant)
And Jake had no emotional bond while we saw his kid develop one over a large chunk of the movie. This wasn't the apex predator, quite the opposite - this was a creature punished for life for fighting back and filled with regret for leading friends and family into death. Jack just used an apex predator for respect and then war, but his son and his whale had far more connection and the whale fought willingly to intentionally protect his friend.
After all these years, the humans still haven't learned how to arrow-proof their helicopters.
Earth General: Report! How goes our efforts on Pandora to get this money rock?
Space Colonel: Badly, sir. The people of the planet kicked our ass. It appears that a very small scale strike team won't be enough, sir.
Earth General: All right, then; it's Shock and Awe. Let's carpet bomb the place, then strip mine it.
Right, you'd think they'd have invented forcefield tech for their stuff this time.
This...bothered me so much...the copters are one shot killed everytime
@@hanburgundy4317 Sir, the mission failed, they destroyed our Big and incredible slow and vunerable bomber.
Why we did not use Missiles? Sir? Sir?
>Transferring your soul into a memory card basically resulting in immortality: Super easy, barely an inconvenience!
>Making arrow proof glass: That's some next level tech :(
my hot take: Avatar 2 is not a sequel, it's a remake. It's James Cameron's way to refine the story he told on the first movie, but with better tech, bigger cast, bigger world, better script and paving a way a for actual sequels in much more efficient way. Way of the Water makes the first Avatar feels almost like an unnecessary prequel.
This was what I was thinking
That just makes me want to see it even less
This kinda fucking nails it.
Efficient? Ahahahahahaha
@@cyberpup2246 why wouldn’t it be? We’ve been told there would be a 3-5 or something like that so it means that the next movies will expand on the story and hopefully not be the exact same, if the third one is the exact same then I will be a little more mad
I love how consistant and confidant you are with every single mispronunciation of Quarritch's name.
"We're not so different you and I, Sully?"
"Because you have a navi body now too."
"No, you grabasstic piece of smurf cat filth --" Quadritch reveals that his lower body has been replaced by a quadbike prosthesis.
" -- Because I'm handicapped!"
Just one “r” in Quaritch.
"Avatar 2: the way of water" was the best nature documentary I've seen this year
rip off right from natgeo
Nice try scammer
When James Cameron first said that they were making like 4 more of these I remember everyone being really shocked, how would ever get that many more plots out of avatar. Now we know how, he just made the same film again.
Wanna see me race to that mountain and back?
Wanna see me do it again?
This avatar is much more about the family. Heck about half of the film is just based on it. Whereas the previous one was more about rebelling against a imperialistic force.
@@reentrysfs6317 If all they do is change the message but still make the same movie over and over again I don't think the message is enough to change it up.
As it seems the next one will be different, as we will have an evil fire tribe and whatnot, but let's see.
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Avatar is like a beautiful box that's empty inside. You enjoy looking at it but tomorrow you won't remember you saw it anymore.
It's a hollow movie
Do people "remember" Saving Private Ryan? Top Gun Maverick? Quiet Place? Edge Of Tomorrow? the Mission impossible movies?
This fucking "cultural impact" bullshit is nothing more than a useless measure for how weird nerds online obsess over something, when the general audience just wants to watch something entertaining, something well made and then move on with their lives
@@rasmussteen2825
>This fucking "cultural impact" bullshit is nothing more than a useless measure for how weird nerds online obsess over something, when the general audience just wants to watch something entertaining, something well made and then move on with their lives
I think the cultural impact criticism is levelled at Avatar more than most films is due to its enormous success at the box office. You'd think that its financial success would translate to popularity and a larger scale of discussion about the film. But in the years since Avatar came out, it is bizarre how it's rarely mentioned in film discussions. Kids never namecheck Jake Sully as one of their favourite heroes, most people don't know the majority of the characters, nobody quotes the dialogue, the meme world has all but overlooked it.
It's exposed Avatar for what it is, an empty spectacle. Nothing wrong with that of course, a films aim is to entertain and it does that. But it will NEVER be classed as one of the greats.
@@rasmussteen2825 Cultural impact and thinking about a film after you've seen it are 2 completely different things lol, you're conflating the two
@@thebatman4279 if memes determined the quality of a movie then morbious must be the greatest movie in the world. As for whether kids know Jake sully, no kid will name drop Ethan hunt as their favorite hero and nobody quotes the mission impossible movies, yet the MIP movies, especially 4-6 are great.
Again "cultural impact" is nothing more than useless bullshit, measuring nothing more how the internet perceives something, and the success of avatar has shown how big the gap between the internet and real world is
so they've had the airbenders, the waterbenders… next film will be about the firebenders?
Probably earth or treebenders. Maybe underground tunnels?
@@marocat4749 Perhaps even *secret tunnels?*
Oh! Badgermole mount unlocked? 😮
Mabye we get an Ghost type
The next in cycle would be earth.
It's really interesting listening to your thoughts on the creature design as a zoologist, because I have the complete opposite opinion. The horses and rhino things were definitely boring, but the ikran, the thanator, those were really cool and unique imo. Meanwhile, in the second movie, I could literally go "oh that's an anemone, that's a paddleworm, that's a bubble snail" to the background creatures. It was honestly really disappointing since the creatures are what I watch the movies for :( I'm honestly wondering if Cameron was banking on people not recognising sea critters/invertebrates so that he could rip them completely from irl. Even the big fish was just a gar crossed with a flying fish.
If you're curious btw, here's some animals you should definitely google: sea angel, sea butterfly, marine flatworm, nudibranch, bubble snail, headshield snail, phyllodoce worm, johnston's ornate worm, hydra,
I'm not a zoologist but the flora and fauna of Pandora really intrigued me! I agree that the ikran was really cool. What did you think about the tulkun and the ilu in this film? I really only watched the film for the tulkuns.
I know! That scene with the sea anemone destroying that sub was so dumb.
yes the animals in avatar 2 are super normal looking, it's boring and giving national geography
Also plesiosaurs! I mean, it would be fun to befriend one!
(also the rhino analogues in forrest enviroment are even more similiar to Brontotheres, group of horse relatives thete lived in Eocene, mostly in forested enviroment and had these hammer head bony "horns" and relativly long horns)
Isn’t it more inspiration than “ripping from real life”?
I hope the Yue theory turns out to be true; I just think it would be hilarious if James Cameron started stealing more and more plot points from the better Avatar as the film series went on.
I don't even know what it's named avatar! it's like they want to bank on the real Avatar. instead of naming it Navi
@@samanthasmith61 It was named Avatar because they inhabit the bodies of blue people, which mirrors Hindu beliefs. And JC's Avatar was named long before the cartoon was ever made.
@@jackbaxter2223 nah that's trash! it's so stpd! 🙄 like the avatar is just like video game avatar and it's not even the point of the movie.....
they just want to bank on the Mystique of the name avatar.
the original avatar exist before James Cameron even made titanic st.fu
@@samanthasmith61 The cartoon was first conceived of in 2001. JC's Avatar was planned in the early 90s. The term avatar comes from the incarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu, who has blue skin, hence them using the term in JCs Avatar.
@@jackbaxter2223 it has nothing to do with hindu avatar or the hindu values or culture, this white people understand nothing! 💀 they just use the blue color, the movie is about human is advanced enough to make an avatar out of the Na'vi as in game "choose your own avatar"💀 cheesy! while asian avatar actually respect the spirituality and hindu values and mystifying the avatar name
so you are saying human are god because they can make human incarnate into Na'vi 💀💀💀🐷
i absolutely adored the movie, especially compared to the first one. i could not remember for the life of me what the plot of the first one, honestly, but now the names of the (at least the children) characters are still fresh in my mind. the plot is... yes, exactly the same, but i wasn't paying attention to any of it, truly... the world just feels so much more alive than before. yes, the worldbuilding of the first one was amazing, but this one... the potential is insane. it actually made me want to create something around the movie, fanart, original characters, to actively think about the movie. the first one had no impact whatsoever of that kind (with me), but now i rewatched it and it felt so much greater? now that it has such a perfected companion piece, even if it makes the flaws of it more evident. honestly, there could be no plot as far as i care. them seeing the world and maybe fighting with a cool coreography one in a while is absolutely enough to me. also, the speculative biology is absolutely mind blowing to me-i love seeing how they plan out evolutionary ties within the animals, it's fascinating.
i have just one complaint, really, and spoilers, but i honestly found it really funny that... they were so pressed over leaving the forest and then just decided to stay with the sea people forever after like, a month. maybe i don't get it personally...? it might be some experience of war and how once you leave you can never return, either on earth metaphorically or just as a real tradition with the na'vi, even if it's a heartbreaking one. but it's amusing to me, especially by how much the characters repeat they want to go home...? to me, it feels not only like they could, but now that the man hunting Jake is gone, they _should_ return and help their tribe with the incoming invasion. oh, well.
oh, and also how the sea tribe magically disappeared in the middle of the final fight, that was a bit weird.
This. The whole movie keeps repeating this "family" message throughout, but the first movie made it VERY clear that _all_ of the Omaticaya were family, and Jake and the gang just abandon them at the start of this one and never look back - including Neytiri's mother Mo'at who is still very much alive. They just left, and aRe wAtEr pEoPLe nOw lmao
@@hanburgundy4317 especially after Neteyam's last words were "i want to go home"... odd!
I honestly agree 100%. Avatar 2 actually inspired me and did a better job making me care about the characters and the dysfunctional family unit that they have, especially how they treat Spider. Colonel was actually interesting this time and I'm curious on how his he will deal with his existential dread (hopefully something like Soma?) and how he will try to bound with spider.
The only thing I didn't like about Avatar 2 is that the visual language of cinema is so clear and obvious that I don't understand why internal monologues were in the movie. I felt that it was only necessary for the recap in the beginning but other than that it was really lame to have some internal monologue come in on moments that were obvious or told me how I was supposed to feel instead of letting me interpret the scene for myself.
i couldnt remember the childrens names at all until the very end and then instantly forgot after i left.
It was a beautiful film, but being pretty isn't the same as having a new plot or character development.
To be honest, "beautiful film with not much to it" was exactly how I felt about Top Gun: Maverick. But that is unfortunately quite an unpopular opinion on the internet as I got a lot of angry comments for saying so on my personal social media page 😬
@@jakerockznoodles Top Gun: Maverick was fun, for sure. It was good and well made, and I enjoyed it. A sequel can be all those things and still have those similar pitfalls of being a long-awaited second chapter. Sorry you had so many people giving you backlash over your opinion.
@@jakerockznoodles shame for the flak for your opinion!
To me, not having seen Top Gun, the difference between that sequel and this is that it seemed from people's reactions like Top Gun was much more self-aware that it was a fun remake of a beloved movie and didn't try to be anything else, whereas Avatar has always been bogged down with this sense of self-importance and grandeur it hasn't earned for a lot of people. So when it ends up being more of the same, to many people it's more of the same lack of awareness about its own lack of relevance for those people. Everything that promotes it says we need to be in awe of it, and not just because of the pretty spectacle but because it is an Important Film, and when we remember that was the tone of the first one, which we had largely stopped thinking about, we end up skeptical of how impactful it will actually be, despite the promise that it will be.
Largely, my perception of their differences can be summed up as Top Gun giving us more of the same with a cheeky smile and a wink that lets us all know we're in it together for a spot of fun. But Avatar is sweeping around the place promising to be Really Important and most of us have to be reminded a bit to go past vague recollections of blue people and melodramatic Pocahontas in space.
@@bricelory9534 I think I know what you mean in regards to Avatar being very self-important, particularly in the way the director discusses it (which invariably affects how people who follow that stuff will perceive it).
My thing with TG: Maverick, having not seen the first one especially, was that I honestly couldn't figure out if it was just a cheeky nod to trashy military propaganda films and Tom Cruise characters or if it _was_ just military propaganda with the secondary purpose of puffing smoke up Cruise's butt for 2 hours. And while it possibly doesn't really matter, it was something that nagged at me through the whole film and prevented me from enjoying it in a way I might if I was totally sure it was one or the other. As it was, I wasn't sure if I was supposed to be laughing with it or at it so I didn't do either. The only real fun I had was making a game out of predicting what different characters were about to say and marvelling at how accurate I could get! (The dialogue was so so trite it really wasn't that difficult)
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Critical Error, Tim! JC didn't release just one film twice with this new masterpiece, he also managed to get Titanic in there.
I noticed that in the theater! My mom and I both went "This... is that scene from Titanic, isn't it" 😂
I thought it was INCREDIBLE but im mainly there for the xenobiology and visuals
same
none of is interesting, better watch natgeo
@samanthasmith61
Then go watch natgeo and let the rest of us enjoy avatar.
After watching it, all i can say is "Well played... Well played"... Its basicly avatar 1, except it had 20 years of technological innovation. Its a visual miracle, and it goes all out. Its writing is "Alright", but in every other aspect, its really good
This movie was a beautiful looking pile of concrete.
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Avatar 2 is a reminder of what a CGI heavy movie can look like when given actual time to be made (and money, but more importantly time). It is absolutely gorgeous
I knew it was gonna be formulaic, but I'm still excited to see it because the world is so immersive. Knowing that there's lines repeated is kinda cringey though lol
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Its been a really long time since I watched a movie in a packed theater and people audibly reacted to the major moments, it was a fun and wholesome experience I wasn’t expecting to have, don’t care that it was basically the same plot and had a lot of the same problems the first one did, and that I had to wear greasy 3D glasses, I had fun watching it and it left a positive impact on me out of the theater
I went to a 7:30 show, and there were two other people in the theater with me - and they both left for about twenty minutes halfway through, and left at the end about ten minutes early. I, myself, couldn't help but groan at this film throughout.
@@hanburgundy4317 completely opposite for me man cinema was fully packed and no one left could even hear people tearing up when the first son died
Yeah, i also loved this disposable movie, consuming it and not thinking aboth it is Tight!
Its three movies in a trench coat trying to pass as one, there is way too many barely touched characters arcs and half finished ones. Tho the visuals are amazing.
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The 'unobtainium' mineral was actually called unobtainium? I thought that was a joke used to deride the film!
Which goes to show the level of subtlety that this franchise has in it. The villain was comically villainish - which coupled with the tone of "We're really serious guys, seriously!" led to a self-important visual spectacle that I think is why most people barely remember it unless they're reminded and then go "oh yea, I remember that looked really nice - that was that 3D one, right?"
@@bricelory9534,
I saw the film years after it came out, and still stumble across parts of it that I have no recollection of. In my mind, that makes it a kinda worthless film. It left absolutely no impact on basically anyone.
Unrelated, but what's with the new RUclips names? Everyone is @theirname1234 on my screen. Is that the same for you?
@@beatthegreat7020 that's odd about the usernames...it isn't that way on my end. Might be some weird maintenance thing happening? Hopefully clears up for you!
@@bricelory9534,
Alright. I just wanted to make sure it was something for me to fix. Thanks dude.
Unobtainium is an engineering term for a perfect material
I liked his conclusion. Not all movies have to be these great thinkers and perfectly written. For me, watching just a fun movie that entertains me for a few hours is all I need.
Personally, none of Cameron's movies are really deep to me. But they are fun. So that is all I want lol
I think the problem with Avatar is the fact that it's a big invitation for bigger ideas but goes the direct Disney Pocahontas route.
And you can see it in the Blue alien design. This half cat, half thin blue tall human creature that not even normal at an evolutionary standpoint.
And the villains being the humans and also not learning their lesson. It seems pointless at the end.
@@kevinvu5432 the alien design is not to make sense biologically. Just to be sexy for young males and Furries lol
@Johnathan Cooper But the point is that it can take away immersion for other people.
You don't need to study biology wither to know no way evolution will take longer humans with cat like features
@@kevinvu5432 👍 true
@@kevinvu5432 vulcans are stupid to. So are orcs in warhammer 40k. So are elves in LOTR. So are dragons in all of fiction.
Your criticism is stupid because you don't think about it any further then "I don't like avatar. O yeah, their biology makes no sense."
When I hear, "it's the same movie" that basically just tells me they didn't fix anything about the original. I'm sorry, James Cameron is a good filmmaker, and I'm sure there are scenes that are very pretty. But the meat of any story should be the writing, and Avatar has never "wowed" anyone with its plot.
I feel like it's gonna stand out worse here because, even without the context that he had been working on the other films too within the 13 years since, this was the time to actually do something new and bold and show that this is going to be something worth investing all this time in. But no, James playing it safe again and we're just gonna get "I still need to prove myself since being the highest grossing movie of all time isn't good enough. Next time, I PROMISE I'll do something different and new and wild. Until then, have this showcase of actual good underwater cinematography.".
Would you say the same of the original Star Wars, the most formulaic movie to ever have been made, with the exception of Han Solo nothing but one-dimensional characters?
Nah, Cameron _used to be_ a great filmmaker. He hasn’t made any good movies since Titanic, except his documentaries. And even those are just ça va
Yes. I refuse to support another movie praised for being amazing when it has no actual substance.
The first one looked nice, its story and characters were nothing.
If this is then same, then it's a hard pass for me.
It's plot is good. But stay in your dark corner while everyone else has fun.
What actually took me out of it so-to-speak was ALL THE DAMN ENGLISH. I loved how the first movie balanced use of English and Na'vi languages, especially with Jake learning the language and whatnot. At the start of the film, I figured they were mostly using English because it was Jake's family and they were probably all bilingual. Maybe they used English with each other because it made them feel like a special group. However, as soon as they made the journey to the Met'kayina and Jake made introductions in English, the Met'kayina all replied in English, and hell even Neytiri screaming "Great Mother!" instead of "Eywa!" really ruined the entire suspension of disbelief for me.
Not until like 2/3 through the film do they have the scene between Quaritch and the small village in which Spider interprets do they properly show Na'vi language and the language barrier. We're just supposed to assume that the entire time all of the Na'vi are speaking that they're actually speaking Na'vi and we're just hearing it in English like some kind of translation for the viewer? THAT'S SO DUMB, not only because this isn't made clear until quite late in the movie, but also because that is not at all how it was done in the first film. They spent years developing the Na'vi language prior to the first film and more than a decade since then. There is no reason that the Na'vi language couldn't have been more prominent. It was barely a few lines the whole film for goodness sakes! Especially with the whole bit about Quaritch learning Na'vi, what a joke when apparently we won't get to hear it! There's a moment where it seems that Jake knows the Met'kayina clan leader personally from some time in the past. Perhaps they could have had him speak English due to Jake teaching him or some of his children too, but no more than that, ESPECIALLY since the ocean tribes were meant to be more disconnected from the humans at that point. Other than this language gripe and the FPS drops being really noticeable, I loved the film.
I mean Jake did say at the beginning how he eventually got so good at the language that it might as well be english to him now. Just their way of making a movie made up of mostly Na'vi easier for the actors to perform.
Are you SURE you wanna sit there for three hours reading subtitles? It’s insane to me how many people have commented on this particular aspect of the movie, sounding almost intentionally obtuse. Jake very clearly states at the beginning that he has become so fluent in the Na’vi language, that he practically hears English now. This is very normal for bilingual or multi lingual people. Whether I’m speaking English, or my native language, it practically auto translates in my head. Sometimes I don’t even notice which language I’m speaking or which language I’m being spoken to in. I understand both of them so well that it all just kind of becomes words that I know. They throw in a Na’vi word every now and again during several scenes just to remind you that they are, in fact, still speaking Na’vi. Specifically so that you don’t have to read subtitles for the entire three hour runtime.
Despite all flaws on the script, the visual world building make it worth the watch.
Not for three and a half hours. The first is eye candy throughout - with this one, you get bored of the ocean and it gets very empty after half an hour of it.
it's just ironic how mindless movie got more hype than actual movie with plot... just because it's pretty...
ironic to the core
At this point Cameron’s best option might be to make Jake Sully into an “Altair” from Assassin’s Creed. He was an incredibly dull character in the first entry of a franchise used to establish world-building and lore. But in later games, more is revealed about him through third party stories and he becomes, retroactively, much more interesting and developed. I could see Cameron removing Jake and having his sons or even someone new take the spotlight. Then they could include some stories that round out his character after the fact.
He's not even the same character in this one; he's now just another dad caricature, and the whole idea of "band together to stand and fight" really seems like bullshit when he just abandons the Omaticaya people - his people - in the first act and never looks back.
I honestly thought Jake was going to die in the end and his (remaining) son would take his place. The son was basically the protagonist of the movie anyway.
@@hanburgundy4317 I think it's a difference in perspective because I had this same issue but when I brought it up I discovered my dad actually understands and agrees with the choice Jake made. My dad was a soldier in the Salvadorean military Civil War so I don't know if it's a dad perspective or a military dad perspective. It's very interesting though.
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Funniest thing just happened. Was listening to Tim when an ad came on & this is what I heard:
“Yue… has been hit by a car.”
I’m dying 🤣🤣🤣
The dialog for this movie was also just unreal tho right? I just don’t think I was prepared for the blue cat people hitting us with “that was crazy cuh”. Not to mention the amount of times they use “bro”, that has to be some kind of cinema record.
You have to remember they were around humans a lot and have a human father. There's a chance they'd learn some off world slang.
The first movie featured the Na'vi language throughout, and it was beautiful world building. This one, not two minutes in, and we get the "it just sounds like English to the audience" trope and never hear Na'vi again. Wow, was this movie lazy, bro. I really hated it, cuz.
Take a sip every time someone said Bro.
@@hanburgundy4317 100%, not to mention that na'vi is an actual language that fully exists in its entirety. They spent so much money on developing it in the first movie only to drop it for a sequel that desperately needed that grounding.
Almost as if that's how humans speak 🤔
All I know is that I am a movie theater employee and have to deal with this all weekend. Wish me luck ;-;
Godspeed - best of luck!
I worked at a theater in 2009. It was nuts. Never saw anything like it. Sold out shows every weekend for MONTHS. This one shouldn't be as bad though. Good luck!
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I saw it yesterday and my first thought after watching it is that it would work so much better as a series
It already is
There are so many comments in recent years like this I have no idea if it's a meme/joke now or if people mean it
@@nitzeart
People mean it.
Seeing it more and more means people are noticing the problems with movies more rather than being the sheep they have been for the past decade.
It's also because Disney has given us plenty of examples where the shows they make around stories simply work better than the movies they make around the same stories.
@@nitzeartTv Shows explore more
Got episode are an hour long
Avatar should be a 8 or 9 episode show
Wild life relationship spirits humanity
That would be an expensive TV series. XD
Edit: This is long, so I thank those who dare to embark on the quest of reading this haha - have a nice day if not!! On we go….
My main gripes:
1. Basically what you said in this video - same movie but water, and I also agree that it didn’t majorly damage my enjoyment
2. The kids KEPT doing the same fricking thing and yielding the same results - surely, they would understand that not listening to Jake would put them in danger
3. Jake as a character becomes worse - again Tim covered this but I’d like to add how this extended to how he treated Nehytiri (his wife - no idea if I spelled that right lol) - in the beginning his decision comes on top of hers and they go to the sea people despite her not wanting to, but when they get there and they’re insulting Jake, she defends him AND HE HUMILIATES HER. “Sorry about my mate she’s exhausted” - she was literally standing up for you and you made her look like a child!! I just didn’t like the shift in their dynamic. Nehytiri used to be someone Jake looked up to and he was so curious but respectful of the world around him. I found it almost jarring the way that that was just lost. It’s like he became more bland and more dislikeable for me
3. My girl Nehytiri didn’t get enough screen time - she finally got to be herself at the end of the movie - an unrestrained warrior Queen - and I loved seeing her and Jake taking everyone down to get their daughters back. I just can’t believe they didn’t delve into such a powerful character - she was my favourite and I felt like we didn’t get as much as we could have from her.
Somethings I liked:
1.The whale and Loak (second son) being friends was cute. As Tim said, the designs were stunning and all the underwater scenes were really captivating
2. Even though you might not have had much of an attachment to him, killing the first born upped the stakes - for a moment I wasn’t sure if Cameron was going to purge the originals and leave a vengeful Loak to grow up with the sea people with his new love interest so that Cameron could have room to repeat the movie again 😉
The actual movie was enjoyable. Even if it was similar to the first, I was immersed in the story and felt connected to at least a few of the characters. There were some really good performances, and I think the darkness of the film worked well with the themes involved. The action sequences were super cool - again I loved seeing N and J getting their daughters back
Ok I think I’m done ranting now. If anyone made it this far I hope you’re having an awesome day/ night :))
I just saw it last night. Walking out I thought I liked the first one better but one day later I think it's better. Specifically the family dynamic really worked for me. It gave me feelings, unlike the first film.
My eyes started hurting at about the half way point. I took my pee break as an opportunity to stretch and close my eyes for ten minutes.
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Tim, I think you would be surprised how many people like releasing the same movie twice. Looking at you, Force Awakens.
Also, Sigourney Weaver gave birth from a tree...is that the same tree from Evil Dead?
....I just had the best idea for a crossover....be back with the first draft..
TFA at least had new characters to act out the similar plot beats, and a couple of those characters were even interesting. This movie just literally brought back one of cinema's most meme-ably forgettable protags to be protag again.
@@marinary1326 The only actually new characters are Finn and Poe, and former basically replays Han's arc from New Hope while Poe is absent from most of the movie.
@@diehard7517 like I said, a couple new characters. I think saying finn just rehashes han's arc is kind of disingenuous, and I am also ever saddened by Poe not being around much. TFA wasn't really trying to be revolutionary and wasn't really marketed as such though (Disney wanted to play extremely safe and it led to an inferior product, what a surprise). Also Star Wars is at least a fun story with memorable characters. It makes sense why you'd want to repeat it. Avatar, on the other hand... everything that it just repeats from the previous movie only makes it worse.
@@marinary1326 Both Finn and Han are more realistic and pragmatic characters in contrast to the protagonist, both have criminal pasts and don't want to fight the Empire but change their mind near the end and find redemption by helping to destroy the giant death ball. They are not exactly the same character but both basically play the same role in the plot.
My thoughts:
I really liked the connection with the animals in this movie and how they interact with the characters. Also really got invested in Kiri, this hybrid connection with two worlds is really interesting to me.
I feel conflicted with Spider, James Cameron is definitely building a moral gray arc for this character but can’t seem to balance this conflicted morality. I personally can accept(Barely) him saving his father at the end because they bonded and he owned his life to this man. I hope he later becomes a character that values moral actions over the greater good.
Jack is really irritating when it comes to his kids, he gives weak instructions to TEENS and when that backfires he lashes on them, why? What did you expect was gonna happen? And when his kids are fighting for a greater cause(Like the rogue whale) he lashes on them again instead of helping their case.
There’s too much “fish out of water” scenes with the kids.
Love how you got the name of the main Character wrong lol
As a huge fan of Avatar (the 2009 James Cameron 3D extravaganza), I enjoyed every minute of The Way of Water. I liked that they slowed down in the second act, that they took the time to show us the culture of the Metkayina and that for a brief moment we could just exist on Pandora. The message about whaling and how we should protect nature is something I actually wish more movies did, as I'd much rather live like the Na'vi than the way we live on Earth now. Can't wait for the third movie to come out.
I find it slightly disappointing how many people disliked these films. Sure, they aren't perfect. But, I absolutely loved them. Avatar 2 is the only movie I've ever watched in the theatre more than once. The world is just so mesmerizing, the kids are fun, etc. im actually currently trying to learn the Na'Vi language.
To explain my opinion of this film, refer to your other Avatar video: I just like the world of Pandora. Music is cool too. It's one of those films I watch just because the world is fascinating and it's cool to see the characters explore it and learn about it. Action was fun too. 3 hours went by super quickly, even if the story was... eh. Just eh. Not major flaws, not a single highlight either.
It's a film people need to watch on the big screen, which good sound sorrounding them. Other than that, yeah, a film that definitely exists
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Marvel got away with selling the same movie 20 times, I don't think James Cameron should get any hate for doing the same movie twice and delivering ground breaking visuals both times.
I mean plenty of people criticize marvel for being static and unoriginal making the same mediocre film twice is meh always
Corny
So this is how creativity dies... with thunderous applause.
@@onlyechos6810 Don't ignore the 20 other ways Avatar is creative and groundbreaking just because it told a familiar story.
@@onlyechos6810 You’re full of estrogen
I haven’t seen the second, and hearing that it’s basically just the first from so many people now makes me not really care if I miss it. It gives me the same frustration that Ready Player One did. Super cool world, fantastic concepts, there is SO much room for incredible storytelling, deep reflection, powerful messages, but it just uses a ton of words and screen time to say… Nothing? Not that a movie can’t be fun, I love a lot of REALLY dumb fun movies, but this one just has WAY to much potential for it to not frustrate me after watching. I’m sure I’ll see it at some point, but I’m not in a rush.
Oh boy gotta love that they added a mystic pregnancy because what this franchise really needed was more problematic tropes.
Yeah I liked it, yeah it’s similar, yeah it’s better in nearly every way than the first, yeah I’m excited we’re getting 3 more.
Okay but actual things, this movie was like mega catch up and set up. The first feels more like a pitch for the film series, and Kirri is very clearly the main character. I don’t think she’ll die to reawaken Eh’wa, but yeah she’s defo gonna reawaken it. Story pivot is already ongoing in this (2nd) film, where Jake is used as the framing device but the story being told isn’t exactly the one we’re watching. From a long term story guess I’ll call that the colonel(?) will be forced to learn something, and then he will be called to serve Eh’Wa, and there on kinda function as Kirri’s villainous fold, Spider will never turn his back but he will become ‘The Outsider’, MAYBE his character ends as ‘The Bridge’, and MyJake(Ney’Tiri) will die either directly or indirectly by the colonel(?).
people with IQ below 90 be like
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I refuse to go to movie theaters, so thank you for telling me to not waste my time.
thank god your in the minority. Stay home and refuse to participate in an experience allot of others will because "I don't like avatar just because."
@@verigumetin4291 I hate movie theaters. If movie theater fans are as confident as they say they are about it being "The best experience" then allow for simultaneous releases and theaters will be fine. I don't care about having the best experience, it is too expensive.
@@noytelinu theaters make more money. Someone has to pay for "the best experience" and it sure as hell wont be people like you. As unfortunate as it is, someone has to foot the bill.
@@verigumetin4291 *YOU'RE** in.
Bro, tell me *you're* joking.
If you already refuse to go to movie theaters, why would you think that the sequel to “Dances With Wolves, but with blue space cats” would convince you to do otherwise? 🤔 Seems like you’re trying to give the film more weight than is necessary just for the sake of riding the hate train.
I think if you had asked me in 2009 when I was a child to come up with a sequel to Avatar it would be about what we get.
There was a similar situation with "The Incredibles 2" - a sequel 14 years after the original, but this one I was really excited for, as I loved the first "Incredibles", but it turned out to be the exact movie as the first one...
But worst. Incrise in visuals downgrade in writting
I wasn't planning on watching it, and you reinforced that decision. 👍
Same here! Great minds think alike, I guess.
I think is worth it to see it in the theaters because of the visuals
Better to wait for streaming .. the whole 3D thing is just a gimmick to get more money out of us 🙄
@@gabri41200
Not for me. I watch a movie to be told a story
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i watched your main channel video about the first avatar movie and the joke of "it cannot possibly be worse than the riser of skywalker" with the clip of the line about palpatine being back almost made me laugh out loud in the theatre when the exactly same thing happens. you were right: it is the most movie of all time
I loved it. I really liked all the new characters, most of which ( *cough* Neteyam *cough* ) have really great, fleshed out personalities. I appreciate the approach of the new generation taking over the narratives, since Jake's storyarc is pretty much almost done and Neytiri doesn't really seem to have an arc, which is OKAY. We had that in the first one, I enjoyed their "secondary" roles as the parents trying to nudge their children into the right direction and of course they wouldn't have been perfect parents right from the start. Jake's arguable over-strictness is justified, I mean they're pretty much in the middle of a war and of course he wants his kids to be safe. His decision to flee to save his family and his tribe is understandable and actually shows character development. I noticed the similarities between the two films but I didn't think of it as "rehashing" but rather as an exploration of the fantastical and beautiful world that is Pandora, through the eyes of our cast. It also showed that it's not just Jake who has to learn the ways of the Na'vi but also that there are so many different Na'vi tribes who have evolutionarily adopted different traits and seeing the kids learn from the water Na'vi was beautiful to me. Obviously the visuals played a big role in that but I don't see that as a negative. Lo'ak bonding with the outcast whale was such a beautiful tale, seeing his backstory when they both linked was heartbreaking and him helping out in the last second was predictable and clicheé, yes but I like that sort of stuff especially when executed as well as here. The voice and motion capture acting was so good, my heart ached when Neytiri cried for Neteyam, it was such a pure, real scream that brought me to tears immediatelly. It left open a few gaps for future films to fill and now that I've reached the end of the video, that Yue theory makes a lot of sense and it would put a nice close to the Doctor's motivation of saving Pandora, by having her daughter sacrifice herself the way she did before.
That being said, I understand why some people would not find as much enjoyment out of it as I did, as another commenter said, this should probably be seen as a sort of remake of the first one, making Avatar 1 something like a prequel to the future Avatar films.
*I never felt like this was the same movie.*
They do share storybeats, but this wasn't just "Pocahontas underwater"!
I feel like the characters were way more developed, and in hindsight, i don't even see "extremely memorable MC jake Sully" as the main character of AVATAR 2, it was mostly about the kids
even the colonels ark was most about his son,
AVATAR 1 made me feel indiferent,
but AVATAR 2, even if just for the combo of a, "yeah not to original, but still decent plot" and really good visuals,
*I would watch it again,* maybe not like 3 times each year, but i see myself coming back to this every now and then
1 failed to make me hyped for the setting, but 2 made me understand why so manny people love this world
10/12.5
idk rating stuff is hard
It was indeed a sequel to Avatar, almost like an extended version of Avatar but with Water oh and a different Eco problem hook for the bad guys.
The way you talked about ‘movie deja vu’ really reminded me of Mary Poppins Returns of all films, like you’d swear that this was going to be just a full remake until they decided to turn it into a sequel at the eleventh hour, even down to scenes such as when we meet one of Mary’s strange relatives who sings a song about their unusual problem, or the night time dance party with a whole gang of cockneys
I wasn't sure if I was going to see this on, it being 3 hours but the "I C U " quote....they have BoJack Horseman fan working on this so now I have to see it!
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Just saw it; I enjoyed it. It made me feel, which happens less and less, especially for movies. The repeat of the fundamentals did not bother me, it resonated a lot more with me, being 13 years older and 13 years later on this earth in general.
not everyone can be smart if anything, 90% of the world population is normal like you and enjoyed subpar movies
My favourite part of the movie was when memorable main character Jake Sully yelled "It's Na'vi time!" and Na'vi'd over everyone.
I'm kidding. The visuals were a blast, I felt tense at appropriate times, and I'd all but forgotten the first movie because I was younger so yeah. Fun movie, don't look too far into the story, pretty visuals.
Really enjoyed the film. Plot is fairly simple. I find a lot of the criticism comes from people who can't truly comprehend what's happening in the movie. Some parts you'd have to put the dots together yourself. Not everything is spoon fed to you as a viewer. Overall, amazing experience.
I wonder how long it’s gonna be until the humans learn to simply drop a few bombs from space xD
They did say that they want to make Pandora the next home for humanity, so probably dropping bombs on your future home isn't a good idea.
@@threemarz idk we drop bombs all the time on our current home planet.
We don’t even need to drop bombs, just roll rocks down on top of them. Though rocks would be much riskier since it would be much harder to control where it landed and it would be harder to get the high level of damage to wipe out a tribe but to keep the damage more localized. With a bomb the humans could wipe out the tribes and leave the majority of the world untouched.
I get it, it’s a movie so there are certain things we need to just pretend. However this is something I keep thinking about
@@here_bedragons They should've developed an Anti-Navi bio-weapon instead of attempting to assimilate/usurp by trying to become one them.
they don't want to destroy the planet their trying to tame it.
@@here_bedragons And that’s the problem. We’re destroying our planet. In the film, they’ve completely destroyed their planet to the point where they have to move humans to another.
Not gonna lie, the exiled alien whale was my favorite character of the film
His backstory has the only moment that made me feel any semblance of emotion.
I did enjoy it, I think it was breathtaking, James Cameron made the same experience as the first by using underwater filming, and making an underwater movie feel real. The story though, it was bland. I could see what was coming, and the back of my head was thinking of future movies and possible overarching themes and ideas that might come in the future, rather than the rest of the movie because it felt very predictable. Though it wasn't bad, it wasn't fantastic either. The world building though is awesome. I love the details thrown in the movie that make it feel real. I also like how anything that was important in the story was foreshadowed before it was needed. So nothing was blindsided, and everything had an introduction before the scene it was important.
Your words hurt me bro, I actually loved the film. I love the world, I love how alive everything is, I love the lithe and graceful Na'vi, the idea of being there and being one of them. I wish that I was so beautiful and strong, and that the world was so amazing and exciting (which it really is, but yknow work in the city is my reality). To me the film is a vision of utopia. I also really like Kiri, and I felt heard when she was just enchanted by the beauty and strangeness of the nature around her. I thought it was a wonderful experience
I think what is ultimately gonna drive me to watch this movie is only to see what explanation will be given for humanity to lose again (considering they now know that the fauna and flora of Pandora is connected and can be directed against them).
Well humanity not really "lost" in this one...
Watch the film so you can form your own opinion. You don’t have to watch it in theaters if you don’t want to shell out money for a film you might not like (although it is visually worth it). You can wait till it’s available for streaming. But “humanity” didn’t lose. The first film was about a battle, not the war. The moment we got a sequel, the very closed ending of the first film reopened. This story is about colonization and as history has proven, once one group sets their sights on colonizing a place, it eventually happens. And I think this is why I’m getting irritated with a lot of people just writing this film off as a remake of the first, because yes, the films are similar but the intent is very different. Pandora will be colonized. The rest of the films will be about the struggle between the natives and the colonizers. We’re just watching it through the eyes of a Jarhead who got stuck as our POV character. So maybe the plot will become more complex with upcoming movies? But if your biggest gripe is the humans coming to a place solely to look for a “resource” than these films won’t be your jam because that’s what colonization is all about. Foreigners coming to someone else’s land to steal a “resource” they’re lacking for the betterment and greed of their own nation, natives be damned.
“Oh hey, you’ve got such a great affinity with nature. Do you have a bit of Ewa in you?”
“Would you like some?”
I saw it yesterday, and rewatched the first one with my sister just before going to the theater
We agreed on several things : the main interest of the first one is that it's visually stunning and there are parts of the universe that are genuinely cool and interesting. The story has no subtelty, the characters have almost no nuance, etc... but it was nice to watch.
We also agreed going out of the theater that the new one is kinda better in terms of story. They did a few things that added nuance to... well almost the same story. (Seeing the colonel gradually become fond of 'his' kid, over the course of a 3 hours movie, it didn't feel rushed to me, so hey, if that goes somewhere in the sequels, cool.
I agree with your commentary that a lot of Avatar is... functional. But as someone who takes a lot of interest in worldbuilding in media, this was cool. I'll go watch the next one, if not for the story, in hopes that we keep discovering things (though I do think this has a risk of getting old after some time. I'm definitely not sure how I feel about the idea of getting 6 to 7 movies.)
That's why they took so long to ship this one out; they wanted us to forget the plot of the last one so they could use it again.
Noak, Kiri, Matteum, Took, Spider.
There. I named five characters from Avatar: Way Of Water. Not to mention repeats like Jake Sully, Netyri, Quaritch and Norm. You can never say I can’t name a character from Avater (spelling is a different story).
The boys are Lo'ak and Attei'am.
Neteyam, Lo´ak, Kiri, Tuk. It Was easy for me as I watched in a country which language is not English and they had subtitles. The names were the original and not adapted or translated. 😅 otherwise I wouldn’t have known how to write them either.
I feel like avatar is just to showcase the bleeding edge of cgi technology, so it makes sense why the first two were so far a apart in release. Which is why it’s strange that they filmed the second and third at the same time
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Having only seen the trailer once and not watching this video yet here is my prediction for the movie: Jake is trying to unite the various Na’vi tribes to prevent the human corporations from coming back. The aquatic tribe doesn’t want to deal with him for fear that it draws the humans attentions to them. Jake’s son hooks up with the chief’s daughter and becomes their version of the Toruk Makto (maybe with some kind of kraken type animal). At some point it will be revealed that the coral’s are their equivalent of the big tree from the first movie which is why they want to avoid drawing the attention of the humans. Jake’s son will eventually become the defacto leader and help align the aquatic tribe with his father’s tribe to help present a unified front.
Sounds more unique than the actual movie
Not even close
I hope you don't fully expect the movie to be like that, because otherwise you are gonna be very disappointed.
TFW some random RUclips comment has better script writing than a 2 billion dollar movie.
bro you were on the EDGE well done
I like how in one way Enwa's will permeates throughout all animals, and this godly sentience is the true ruler of Pandora.. except when it comes to being dominated by PURE MARINE GRADE TESTOSTERONE, PUNCH THE BANSHEE HOORAHH MURICA
Also when the whale just gained subtitles without much change it made me lol
So the movie is the equivalent of jangling keys in front if a baby?
Oh! Shiny thing! Give me
Yes!
and the babies are happy 💀 by baby i mean 90% of the world's population with limited intelligence
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hahaha omg im sorry but "the moon is murdered" is a wonderful out of context quote
I appreciate this review (especially after watching the vid on the main channel). Lines up with what I expected. Certainly seems like it'll be a fantastic visual journey with a lot of excitement but somewhat lackluster writing, in line with the first. Will definitely watch at some point but even though this is likely best seen in theaters, if I can only see 1 film over the holidays (theatres are far, this is the best chance for me and I don't have a lot of time for it), I'm trying for Wakanda Forever.
I'd recommend Avatar over Wakanda Forever, if you can only see one of them...
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I may watch it on a longhaul flight in 2-3 years.
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At least we know what to expect from the others coming up in the franchise: Avatar - But In the Desert, Avatar - But In the Snow, Avatar - Some Sort of Maze. It's practically a license to print money 😭
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I enjoyed it a lot. That funeral scene was so sad and beautiful it destroyed me. I ugly cried so hard. lol I didn't feel as emotionally invested in the fist one. Sully's sons were flawed and made much more interesting characters. But yea it totally feels like a better version of the first movie
My biggest gripe with it is, with all that technology and cgi, why are we still getting vanilla snyderesque ''hand cam zoom ins'' REPEATEDLY like its the only recourse they know, and marvel shaky-cam fight scenes? Especially for jake sully's fight scenes. The bow and arrow over the fyling creatures is great, but the fist fighting devolves to this weird untrackable stuff. I want more creativity directorially
with the time they take to make these, they can't bet on cinematic trends for the shooting, they should get a bit more creative and timeless. It just dates the movie so hard, it feels like a 2017 movie in a 2022 coat of paint.
I think you nailed on it all is "can't we get a bit more creative directorially" - I get the feeling that Cameron has gotten so self-important about his vision of what an Avatar franchise needs to be, that drowns out other contributions and creative input.
There's a video out there that goes over the tragic story of the soundtrack for the first Avatar movie, where really talented and creative artists were putting their all into creating a truly unique and evocative musical experience for the soundtrack, but it sounded like Cameron quashed almost all of it for generic mass-appeal, which Horner delivered on as required, basically using almost none of the extensive work that was put into something that would be truly unique and quite memorable.
The worst part is, for me, we can't even hear the demos that were made because they're all locked down in copyright with companies that will NEVER use any of it or release it.
@@bricelory9534 oooh i saw that video. That was a heartbreaking one. Yeah i totally agree. And to be fair, i would lend some generosity to his position and say it might not even be cameron's fault per se. Movies like this, like the hobbit and marvel movies also for the record, with copious ammount of money put in, the director really is on a tightrope trying to balance a creative vision with you know, 15 investors meetings a week.
And all of them wanna tell you what to do, and each of them ordered market research done from a different professional and they demand x or y change and all that.
the worst part, you are totally right, it would have been more memorable if they stuck with the original ost with a ton of work and research. They get so mired in their graphs, but the movies that often do the best are the ones that take some risks. This time they don't have the technology card to play to entice people's curiosities and sell the movie despite it being meh. I hope the box office shakes things up a bit, there's a ton of potential here
@@shinkamui I agree wholeheartedly. I think in Cameron's case, his name is unfortunately big enough that he can tell producers and companies that he's doing what he wants to do. At this point, I think he's gotten enough unhealthy respect that people won't say no to him for fear of him cutting them out. I don't have any specific examples, but I just remember hearing snippets of people's experience with him that I get that feeling - could be totally wrong!
I agree in terms of The Hobbit: not only do I lament Del Toro not getting to share his vision, but I also feel really bad for Peter Jackson, who got shoved into a massive project he didn't really want. I'm not always a fan of him (I think his King Kong has MASSIVE pacing issues, for example), but I'm sure if he didn't have so much pressure, he would have made The Hobbit series better than it's final form. (I'm a bit in the minority that I genuinely think the first film was quite good. Some scenes were over-wrought, but it managed to be The Hobbit while cohesive with the LOTR film universe).
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It came up very breifly in the begginging of the film, where the general says that they nead to "passify" the Na'vi. Because Earth is dying. It was litterally only mentioned once. In the movie. I hope Cameron goes more in depth on it as it could add a bit more of a reason to want to side with both the Na'vi and the invading humans.
Luckily no one remembers the first movie, so I'm sure few will notice it's the same movie
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One thing that had me feeling this vague sense of confusion was that it felt like the conflict was both escalated and scaled down at the same time. In the first film the fight is against a relatively small colonization settlement, but it's the invaders' entire military outfit with aircraft carriers and gunships and exobots and whatnot. Then in the second film the humans are seemingly landing dozens of entire cities, vaporizing a few kilometers around each and deploying an order of magnitude more military hardware. But the fight is against... this one civilian-ish (?) whaling boat with 6 vets on board. Colonel Quadratic apparently doesn't think to report Sully's location back to base? I couldn't shake the feeling the Na'Vi are still doomed no matter the outcome here, because there's a much bigger threat already looming just beyond the horizon.
The rare resource also felt more mundane this time - unobtanium seemed to be a room-temperature superconductor, with applications for countless kinds of magic future-tech. An immortality potion feels quite banale by comparison, but apparently it's more valuable? (Not that I remembered the unobtanium price as a point of reference...) Across the board it felt like the film just couldn't decide if it wanted to go bigger or smaller.
But I agree that Kiri's character and arc were the highlights of the film. Sure, she's a Nature Neo/Animal Anakin/Jungle Jesus or whatever, but seeing her interact with the world and share her mother's wonder of it was just a joy all the way through.
Bluegaloo
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Personally I liked the second less than the first. Like, why is Jake now a runner not a fighter? Why did he pull his wife out of her tribe running, and then, finally at the end, after they lost so much, NOW he's gonna fight?!
I did appreciate that each tribe had their own personal connection to the Planet, that felt right for me. I loved the differences between the water tribes and the forest tribes that visually you can see and made perfect sense.
Kira(? Weaver's character) just confused me. I did like your theory on her.
The whale hunt physically sickened me amd my husband. It just HURT.
I probably will miss the next movies in the theatres but will still catch them eventually.
underwater bluegaloo... blantant missed opportunity
I’m not usually bothered by minor plotholes but there’s one in avatar 2 that really got to me. When Jake and the family flee to the water tribes Jake stops leading the Na’vi and their guerilla war on the humans. Quadritch is ordered to kill Jake because his leadership makes the Na’vi dangerous but if Jake leaves his tribe and retires from his military role in the tribe then there’s no need to hunt Jake. I get that Quadritch has personal reasons for trying to kill Jake but because the military never acknowledges that Jake is no longer a problem it makes them look dumb, which is constantly reinforced when tall blue people with bows and louncloths win battles against a literally spacefaring civilization with fully automatic assault rifles. The Na’vi should obviously win, otherwise the series’ environmentalist message is undermined, but that victory would be far more satisfying if the military wasn’t constantly making dumb decisions.
I thought it was very bold of you when you made comparisons to Jake Sully's story in Avatar one with his son in Avatar 2. For example, when Jake is seeking that orange dragon-thing it's his own form of redemption in confiding with the Na'vi people, but when his son sneaks into the deeper waters to confide in the whale-creature, he is scolded and reprimanded when the tribe discovers this - this moment doesn't become a triumphant chivalry against the humans. Jake is extremely reluctant to face the humans head on, and his son only ever charges forward into danger because he wants to save things from the danger they'll be in, this culminates finally in the last 3rd or 4th of the movie - the act structure is particularly different. All of these conflicts between the humans and the Na'vi begin halfway through the first movie, but in the second movie, conflict happens several times over and between many different characters. I though the run-time also gave much more oppurtunity to flesh different characters out, well enough that most we see play an important role in furthering the plot, maybe unlike the previous movie.
I was watching the new Avatar in the theater the evening before new year's eve, and in the car my mom was talking about how she'd seen earlier that at the same time they were showing Titanic on TV
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And then later during the movie when the ship is sinking she leans over and says "The Titanic is probably also sinking right now on TV"
You can truly see these movies were made by the same guy who is fascinated by the underwater. Just mash your two most successful movies together
Okay but you’re missing one huge difference…this one’s underwater.
But in all seriousness they did step up the action and character development.
Facts I don't understand how people are saying the characters were not developed.
@@AstroSully not everyone can be smart... it's okay 90% of the world will agree with you, there are reason why movie was dumbdown to cater to the mass
@@samanthasmith61 It seems like you’re taking a huge amount of copium. It’s okay you didn’t like a movie other people enjoyed. Now go be “indie” somwhere else. Stinks of wannabe here.
@@AstroSully what's copium? sounds like something you use yourself.. go cry somewhere else if you can't accept reality... slow
@@samanthasmith61 Imagine being this pressed over a movie. Seems like you’re the one spending time commenting on something you don’t like and can’t accept the fact other people enjoy it. Jog on twat.
I watched the movie in 3D last weekend and I really liked it. The story is not all that original, especially with the first movie in mind. Though I liked the characters and I don't think they were too bland. I also don't think it's too difficult to remember their names. I love the Avatar movies first and foremost for the worldbuilding. The moon with it's different regions and flora and fauna, and the way the Navi are a part of that nature. I watch the movies, because I can get lost in the world Cameron created. It's why I watch movies in a cinema, to step out of my day to day life and step into a world so beautiful and interesting on screen.
Critics can rip the story and characters as much apart as they want, it doesn't change the fact I enjoyed watching Avatar I & II and will continue to watch the movies Cameron will bring to the big screen.
My main takeaway is that Cameron is a great director but needs someone else to handle the writing. PS total tangent but if George RR Martin were to die before completing Song of Ice and Fire who would you want to come in to finish it?
Rothfuss, so that the fans have the same writing pace they’re used to
I think Joe Abercrombie would be a nice choice.
@@laurelkeeper Wow. 😂
Not sure Rothfuss would even be able to finish it in his lifetime though. 🤔
We all know it'll be Brandon Sanderson. He'll knock it out in a weekend between other books.
@@couchpotatoe91 No one
I literally cannot remember the first movie at all and tbh I don’t care how good a film looks, because if it doesn’t have a good story, it isn’t worth the time or the budget or the effects.
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I haven't seen it in years, but wasn't a big part of the final battle that Neytiri's dragon thing got killed and she could never bond with another one? Did they retcon that?? Yes, I know that that is a relatively small thing it just was what caught my attention
I took it to mean that the pterodactyl things can only have one rider but not vice versa, Jake does ride the small one as well as the bigger one
@@erinpritchard5804 yeah but isn't the big one a whole different species?
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It is truly grounbreaking cinematic feat that I sat through a 3 hour film called "The Way of the Water," and I am still nowhere closer to figuring out what is the way of the water than when I started.
I watched the second one without watching the first one first so I didn't feel deja vu at all (last time I watched the first one was probably over 5 years ago) but the main problem that I had while watching the movie (and the first one I think but I can't really remember) is that most of the blue people look the same to me, so I liked the fact that they made the ocean people a lighter shade of blue to show they are different. I also liked the fact that the human doctor says "these creatures (I can't remember the name of the giant whales) are probably smarter than us" and the whales really are. They don't have murder or fights and I also really liked the whole "you're wasting the whole whale for this one bottle" scene tho when I think about it it feels like a repeated line from the first one.
Still think its better than the first one and I love the family's interaction with the sea people.
I feel the same way as you. I haven't seen the first one since it came out and I legit don't remember a single thing from it so I didn't really feel any deja vu. I also really liked that the water tribes looked different as it made them more distinguishable
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Im not surprised considering that the first Avatar movie was more or less a 2 hour tech demo. I wasn't exactly expecting nuanced or complex storytelling
The Kimersu no Yaiba of live action films: THE VISUALS ARE BEAUTIFUL!! Also the less you think about the plot and characters the better
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I could shuck the same military speech up to a rutine of "this is how me make recruits paranoid of the outside and thus loyal to us, by reminding them that this isn't the world they know, this isn't even the same planet that they know. This is all new and dangerous, and our little group here is their one familiar thing, that they can know for sure is a friendly face". But all the other stuff you've mentioned being similar? Yeah, seems a bit much.
The entire finale was titanic.
So, it’s basically Avatar 1, but even MORE BLUE. Got it.
Sooo...my main question: where the heck did Neytiri get the feathers for her arrows and jewelery from?
Human hair with natural pigment, I guess 😅
@@josebeteta8283 that wouldn't work though. The way they drew attention to the feathers on Neytiri's arrows I was just constantly reminded that we didn't see a single animal with feathers yet :D
Or hair, for that matter (except the Na'vi ofc)
Or how do they reproduce, and is their connection Rpe?
@@danielkjm according to the first movie, they seem to reproduce like we do. The second movie implies that they are at least similar to placental mammals. Their connection doesn't have anything to do with reproduction but it's more like a deep emotional/mind bond. Like sharing their thoughts/feelings with others, either animals or other Na'vi. But with other Na'vi it's probably considered very intimate. You know, like you'd probably have no problem telling a random cat your deepest secrets etc. but you wouldn't go around telling random people.
I watched it and loved. Is it a little bit more of the same? Sure! Was I entertained? Absolutely. To the point I would totally rewatch. The world building is very exquisite and very interesting. So much stuff to see yet. I'm excited for what's to come.