Astral Dreadnought: Biggest Monster in 5e Dungeons & Dragons - Web DM
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- Опубликовано: 25 сен 2018
- Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes gave us one of the most powerful monsters in all of 5e Dungeons and Dragons. In the Outsider menagerie, the Astral Dreadnaught is the BIG one. Come learn about this insane monster! Don't forget to subscribe, comment & share. New episodes every Wednesday.
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If you want to use this thing as a storyteller hook. hide an npc within the demi-plane of one of these creatures that the party has to get into. It's one of the hardest to find hiding spots in all of the planes. perhaps they have information about a God. Perhaps they know the secrets to an ancient Relic that the party needs in some fashion. Or perhaps needs to be brought back to the material world to Finish or do some task.
Having to figure out how to incapacitate the party and get it swallowed could take some party creativity all on it's own even assuming they can be sure they have the right one.
Would like a video about uses for Astral Projection, a discussion of rules, etc... A "why take this spell over Wish" video.
The don jon is the highest room in the tallest tower of a castle. It is both the safest room in the castle, and the most difficult room from which to escape. As such, it might be occupied by a king, or a hostage. Jim's guess was close; don jon is the predecessor to the word "dungeon".
I checked is it is specificly bag of holding and portable hole together causes the rift that sucks things into the astral plane
@@digunder14 it is actually any two such items that make pocket dimensions such as those two items do. Those are just the most well known and for some players actually the only ones they know.
Well... looks like my ancient lich villain just found the perfect place to stash his phylactery.
I _like_ your way of thinking. :D Also totally stealing that for the future.
Same.
Doesn't the phylactery have to be on the same plane?
Timothy Heimbach nope, not in the least :D
Timothy Heimbach No, but you do have to feed it souls, and the souls have to be on the same plane. However, if you build an wizard tower inside an astral dreadnought, complete with teleportation circles (for accurate planeshifting), you may become the ruler of your own mini kingdom inside an Astral Monstrosity.
Wizard just reaching 17th level “hey we should use astral projection”
*DM smiles*
Other players in unison “no”
You scared if a space Levi-athan?
Matt Lynn who wouldn’t be?
+Levi Smith
Bahamat? Io? Surely not a PC.
Matt Lynn They mentioned how even the gods kinda stay out of their way
+Levi Smith
Well...ouch.
This was coincidentally recommended to me after the latest episode of Critical Role.....
Well, they did just enter the Demi plane through the Astral Dreadnoughts mouth.
Same.
Same
ITS NO COINCIDENCE. ITS RUclipsS EVIL PLAN! RUN!!!
Me too just now finishing the latest episode. I thought Matt had made that thing up.
I would love to see you break down the planes like you do magic and monsters.
That's a good idea!
@@WebDM would love to see a video about this topic!
Yeah was just about to type this and then i saw your comment!
Web DM A video on each plane the way you did races and classes would be so great.
this!
Nesting Astral Dreadnaughts, once you kill a slightly larger than average one, another slightly smaller one pops out of it's Donjon.
It's a Matryoshka Doll. Of Dreadnaughts.
Frickin' heck.
To really pull the rug out from under them, you start the disgorging with a wee bit of treasure. 😁
the dreadnought can store a whole army in it's donjon, with more dreadnoughts who have more donjons. one dreadnought can spew forth an entire githyanki planet invasion force
Bite deals 50hp, transports them inside him, 3 attack per round, 80ft fly speed, legendary resistance, legendary actions..... Wtf dood.
These things are terrifying. It's like the alpha Beholder, had a baby with a Vorpal Sword, and an Aboleth. Pro tip to players, Don't fight it, Run.
They aren't only terrifying. They can single handedly end campaigns as happenstance. if the party travels physically to avoid certain dangers of things like Astral projection. They can be eaten and just sit inside them until they die. The Tarrasque is far more conquerable by comparison.
I looked this video up after watching Critical Role,and the Might Nein just jump in ones mouth for the he'll of it... *scared laughter*
@@Spncr313 I mean it's not a tpk. Hallas will probs will be there so it will be interesting
@@SuperLololol09 I mean the only way to leave that place is planar shift or wish, so there has to be something inside
James Trotman they have divine intervention which would probably work... might take a few days though.
Anybody remember the Lobster thing guarding Atlantis in the Disney movie? This is the space version.
In some settings I like the concept of creatures that are so powerful they simply *are*. They don't have creation stories, you're never going to get rid of all of them, they exist by merit of the fact that they exist. Something like the Astral Dreadnought fills that role perfectly and can be used to lend gravity to so many places and concepts.
Got goosebumps, existing in virtue of pure might! So badass
HumanoidCableDreads he means gravity as in weight of the situation not as in the force that holds us down.
This is correct.
Sorry I misread that derp
Astral Dreadnoughts DO have creation stories, though. They don't just exist, they were created by Tharizdun.
They're big! That means they have big guts! Rip and tear!
Until it is done
Quick! Tear its claw off and shove it into its eye!
Just make sure you rip and tear their guts from the outside. Can't do it from the inside. Demiplane is too strong, can't get at their guts.
@@alicebrown6215 You gotta wound it enough til it glows orange.
XD i love this thread.
"A god in chains will destroy all the planes. Hail thardizun."- cultist in my last campaign.
"Oh dear, you misspelled our lord's name. An example must be made." - High priest of Tharizdun
Dendar sleeps. Dendar feeds.....
He is the god among gods all names are his examples must be made of you both for limiting his vast glory.
Memeboi Thatwitchcraft Tharizdun was actually the end boss of my campaign for a good chunk of it. Well at least him and Vecna were collaborating. Then my players were idiots and shoved a random eye they found into their head. They got super unlucky on my percentile roll and their solid was devoured by the lich god. Now Vecna has utterly destroyed Tharizdun, and he’s returned to the Prime Material Plane.
@@dominickfinch5693 Vecna destroying Tharizdun.... you'd have to do some serious convincing to tell me how he had even a sliver of a chance to do that.
If brute force doesn't work, you're not using enough.
or you are not being brutal enough!
you are a infinite well of knowledge
***********spoiler warning for Mighty Nein fans***************************. I’m here because the Mighty Nein just went to another plain through an Astral dreadnaughts mouth. I wanted to learn about them
I'm completely surprised that neither Travis nor Sam screamed, "Pull the lever Kronk!"
Ayeee samee
Same
@@iforsakenhd6246 "Wrong leveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer!"
@@antoninedelchev6076 That's what I tweeted out to them. Found it way to funny.
I've been a lurker in this channel off and on for several years and until this weekend I didn't realize that Jim is my cousin! Guess we should have family reunions a bit more often. Awesome channel thanks for the content.
Nice to see ya yesterday!!! It's a small Davis world
*Giant enemy crab*
*Based on Japanese History*
I cast create water then use fireball to super heat the water to boil the crab!
Those things killed me like 7 times in a row when I got stoned and played Dark Souls 3
Giant enemy crab, in the middle of the thoughtful void between stars.
Sounds like a party to me.
TIME FOR CRAB
I like the idea that the Astral Dreadnought is so big that in the void of the Astral Plane it has a noticable gravitational pull. Not enough to actually move players a meaningful amount, but enough to convey the scope of what they are dealing with and, for flavor, contribute to why it's AC is so high because of how disorienting it is.
Wouldn't that cause the AC to go down because your attacks are being pulled towards the creature so it's easier to hit?
Terminator The small amount of pull towards a creature of this size is not going to make it any easier to hit, however it would make striking with a high amount of precision very difficult. Anything of this size is not missed in the traditional sense of not hitting; a miss is, in my opinion, a failure to get through the chitin/scales/hide of the creature enough to deal damage. There is no way a high level adventurer completely misses something literally equivalent to the broad side of a barn.
Its kinda like how armour increases your players ac. Doesnt mean your dodging it but its dinging off the metal and avoiding the squishy human bits
Like long distance snipers needing to account for the curvature of the earth in their shots.
revisiting this after the latest crit role episode
did they fight one?
@@andykapsar4667 probably spoilish as fuck for anyone following them, but it's worth a listen, end of last episode
I fell in love with the Astral Dreadnought as soon as i saw it on the old Manual of the Planes book back in the early 90s.
I loved this one, guys. Sneaky episode on astral adventures ftw. I would love to know your thoughts on custom monster creation (not just reskinning, but true, from-scratch, new creations).
Oh man I am so glad you guys do what you do. I'm so excited when I see a new clip on my feed
I wonder if it was by coincidence RUclips suggested this an hour after I finished CR seas 2 ep 82...
Probably not.
i enjoy this channel over the other as the length of the video is just right you get in depth into the things what you talk about instead of just dancing on the top of it keep it up man i like what you guys create
thanks Franky!
Astral Dreadnaught: *Exists*
Mighty Nein: Go into it? Nah that’d be silly.
Everyone:
Mighty Nein: Unless...
Don't worry they said
We're just popping in and out they said
What's the point of showing the everyone part? Dumb meme.
It's their version of Chekov's gun
Astral Dreadnought! I have come to bar--- (a howl of fury!) (snap of titanic crab claws)..
Astral Dreadnoug--(a howl of fury!) (snap of titanic crab claws)..
Astral Drea... Fuc!---(a howl of fury!) (snap of titanic crab claws)..
As--(a howl of fury!) (snap of titanic crab claws)..
When I first found you guys in my recommended I didn’t even play dnd now I’m an avid player thanks for getting me into the beautiful game
How you like it so far?
Areg Canas absolutely love it!
Welcome to nerdhood glad to have a nother dnd player in the world. Make sure you don't let people touch your dice unless you rolling all ones then they frakked already 😉
I went from seeing this crews videos in my feed but always passing them by for other things. A few weeks ago I watched one about a monster I was going to use then within about 2 weeks I had binged all of the videos on this channel. Loving the work guys and I'm debating making simular content with a friend because it just seems so enjoyable. Thanks for all the entertainment so far and to come.
Same here.
Welcome to the fold :)
I love your videos! I watch them every week to improve my DMing!
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU I absolutely adore Tharizdun and am so grateful you are covering him a little bit with the Dreadnoughts.
I thought Pruitt was gonna suggest that when you're sent to a demiplane via the banishment spell, they're actually being sent into the stomach of an astral dreadnought
that!'s my new headcanon!
You guys need to do a series on the planes of the multiverse the fickle fey the dark shadowfell the four elemental planes all great places for adventuring
Loved it! Hope to see more episodes on other titan monsters, elder elementals and the like~
Thank you...you guys are great keep up the excellent work
The Astral Dreadnought has the titan tag. The only other four creatures with this tag are the Empyrean, the Kraken and the Tarrasque from the Monster Manuel and the Atropel from the Tomb of Annihilation. What I was wondering was what these five monsters have in common besides all being Huge or bigger and all having Legendary Actions, because there are alot of other monsters that would fit these criterias but they don't have the titan tag. Is it maybe that they have a game mechanic or magic effect that only affects them like for shapechangers or do all of these five have a connection with eachother lore- and storywise like yugoloths and yuan-ti? As far as I searched I haven't found an answer for this. Could someone explain the titan tag on these five monsters to me?
From what I understand, titans are living weapons forged by gods during "the war"(primordials vs Gods?)
Dustin Thress let me tie that up for you with: In the end can there only be ONE cue Queen - Princes Of The Universe x)
i haven’t seen anything specific about the 5 of them which connects them, but in my own setting they are the weapons of mass destruction left behind by the gods. Krakens in the Sea, Tarrasque of the Land, (Homebrew) Roc of the Air. And then a Titan for each plane (including the astral sea for Dreadnought and shadowfell for Atropal)
I almost used one of these in my spelljammer
Knights of the Dinner Table, Barringer's Bag War. Classic use of using a Bag of Holding to get into the Astral, and then raiding everyone else's Bags and Portable Holes.
I've just begun a 17th-level campaign (V3.5) inside the body of a really big, fiendish dreadnaught queen. They've just blown up one of its hearts, and are making their way to the eggsac, fighting off digestive dretches and other demonic beings. Good times so far.
We're currently adventuring in the demiplane in our planehopping campaign, love the possibilities for this creature!
We had the party spellcasters go on a rescue mission for one that was swallowed. They had to hunt the thing down by looking for one covered in color from a spray spell. When it came charging, they each grabbed a party member and dimension doored into the mouth so they’d be swallowed. Wasn’t fun but before we left, we created a Warlock who’s patron was an Astral dragon. Fun times.
Ah, the Astral Dreadnought, one of the inspirations for the Cacodemon from Doom!!
Session 3 of my current campaign, druid wild shapes into a mouse, gets into the bag of holding I JUST PICKED UP and then decides to turn back to their normal form. There were quite a few sessions of trying to get them back. #blamethedruid
Good thing you didn't apply the bag of holding having no oxygen in it to him, or he would have suffocated and died in a few minutes inside it. That would've made things a bit awkward when he died, and they get his body out, then he needs to make a new character.
How about a video on the multiverse explaining what is and how it works? Great vids!
Thanks for the awesome content!
I like using them as a predator similar to a giant shark. It swims around in the ethereal mists until it pops out to attack like Jaws.
I also like the idea of a quest item or NPC being trapped in it's donjon demiplane, so killing it and having the items in the plane disappear isn't something that appeals to me.
HumanoidCableDreads I like the idea of having a skyship fly out after you kill it, having the inhabitants been frozen in time maybe for hundreds of years
oooh I'm running an FF-inspired campaign. This gives me stats for Sin! Thanks for introducing this to me!
so, this is where the mighty nine got themselves into
It disgorges everything it ate.. ever? Sure, you can get your gear back, but you have to rummage through thousands of dead bodies. Nice.
bodies? it's pronounced free real estate and magical treasure
A whole floating island of corpses to build a city on.
I love these episodes on monsters. I would love to see a pit fiend or some of the more potent devils and demons.
You just convinced me to use for only an astral dreadnought but a whole sort of astral level in my new dungeon.
Great video and awesome info! Also, been wondering, where do those ogres/trolls on the shelves in the back come from? They look amazing.
Great video as always guys?
Also, if we're on the trend of monsters, can you cover the Kuo-Toa? I like them cause they I know they are semi-based on the Deep Ones from "Shadow over Innsmouth"
Or maybe Minotaurs. I kinda want to use some good and evil Minotaurs in a Seafaring Campaign.
Or maybe a video on Monstrous PC's
hey, an idea for this segment would be to suggest a level for the party to tackle this kind of monsters. epic monsters for a lv 7 character can be trivial for a group of lv 15 and terrifying to a party lv 3.
I'm now imaging some super clever magic user gaining control of one of these things and using it and its demi plane as a ship of sorts to travel the planes
You have no idea
15:15 If a GM has a problem with a spell in his world - why is it there?! That leads me to my biggest pet peeves with 5e - all the gi'mes.
I'm confused as to what you are upset about. That players get cool spells?
Ha, you have a Mythic Legions Troll over there? Awesome figure, if a tad pricey. Oh, the Cyclops too!
I'm looking into running Red Hand of Doom and I saw in the appendix one of the big (literally) bads is a Behir. I read up on it and apparently Giants made/tame them to fight dragons or something. I remember reading a similar description about Rocs. I'd love a video on all the miscellaneous (and often very large) creatures that serve giants and dragons in their conflict.
Nice video. Very informative
27:14
official description for bag of holding and extradimentional space
Placing a bag of holding inside an extradimensional space created by a Handy Haversack, Portable Hole, or similar item instantly destroys both items and opens a gate to the Astral Plane. The gate originates where the one item was placed inside the other. Any creature within 10 feet of the gate is sucked through it to a random location on the Astral Plane. The gate then closes. The gate is one-way only and can't be reopened.
i would reason it that anything that is an extrusion of regular space will conflict with bags of holding. so anything that has to do with being on a whole other demi/plane wont trigger it. so not banishment, plane shift, demiplane, or secret chest but rope trick and magnificent mansion would.
I think he's just posting this to inform Jim and Pruitt. Also, I'd say combining these items like this this would work because technically, the Donjon space isn't _actually_ on the Astral Plane, so you could use it to escape the Astral Dreadnought's gullet - you just can't destroy it with it. The Dreadnought's not actually occupying that pocket dimension, and it specifically states it cannot be harmed from within it. But magic like Plane Shift lets you get out - and while doing so in a somewhat expensive roundabout way, this is planar shifting magic _of a sort_ .
So yeah, that's one way out. Problem is, you're now ejecting yourself into a random part of the Astral Plane. Possibly alone. And if you weren't confused and lost before, you _definitely_ are now!
Yep spells and items creating interdimensional spaces don't interact.
pvtblue Rope Trick and Magnificent Mansion aren't "items", so RAW they shouldn't trigger the gate. It's just combining the Bag with another similar item that contains an extradimensional space.
The rule is clearly meant to stop players from sticking items inside of items for infinite storage, That's why it's says "or similiar item" It's meant for items not spells as all the spells that create the extradimensional space (the ones I've seen) have a time limit and eject everything out in the end. So it's not the same thing, it takes an item inside an item to trigger the gate.
I drive a truck for work long distance. Listening to y’all is so nice.
Thank you for the compliment and for your hard work, friend!
*. **26:25** .*
*Yes , if a bag of holding , portable hole , heward's handy haversack or any item that contains a extra pocket dimension goes into any kind of extra dimensional space .*
*It results in a rip happening and everything in 10 feet getting sucked into the astral plane .*
Interested to see what a Astral Dreadnought Warlock would be like.
The bag of holding trick feels like the action movie grenade stuff and shunt.
Donjon is a name that refers to the highest usable/livable room of a castle. Normally in a tower. Historically used for many things one of them being to keep certain prisoners there because by nature of its location being the highest room, it was the hardest room to rescue someone from and the hardest to escape from because you have the rest of the castle to go through. But because so many lords started to use the donjon for a prison, the term started to get associated with prisons, later when castles got larger underground structures, those because the prisons and the word evolved into dungeon. The current literal translation of donjon from french to English is "keep", as in the main building of a castle.
I like the idea of the astral dreadnought disgorging what it's eaten upon death not as a way to give the pcs their stuff back, but rather to bury the pcs in a floating mountain of all the random junk the dreadnought's ever eaten.
You get hammered by a mountain of spoons. You take 10d6 bludgeoning damage.
Fought one of these in my West marches game a while back with a group of 6 between level 14 & 19. Thing was buffed to over 1200HP and sat in a portal that dragged people through it into a void that banished them for a turn or 2. It also had a couple of astral purple worms that popped in an out of cosmic wormholes to fight at the same time. Lost our level 19 Cleric that day. RIP Rook.
I generally put the outer dimensional portals (especially ones that lead to exiled things) inside of these beasts; with the portals only being accessible after aforementioned beast is destroyed.
This has given me an adventure hook for a current campaign
Came here fresh after the latest episode of Critical Role to recall just what the fuck they’ve gotten themselves into.
So I feel that the bag of holding astral tear rule works like this: Any perminant portal to another realm has to creat and condense and wormhole connecting two existing locations. Any enchantment that does this is a arcane geometric calculation that spans time and space. Most simple and stable are portals that link two immobile locations, such as a gate or demiplane. Any mobile portal is a running calculation that has a chance of failure, but tends to be maintained by the enchantment. If two running calculations interact, they immediately destroy one another and tear a hole in rhe fabric of their tunnels, shunting any neaby matter into the astral plane before the weave heals itself.
I'd love to hear your thoughts on star spawn cultists and the elder evils!
This video gave me the idea to put the phylactery of the dracolich enemy in my game inside an Astral Dreadnought. During early play I'll put a seemingly random encounter between a lone Giff and some Githyanki on the Prime Material Plane. He'll be the party's way to hunt down the phylactery.
I like that it disgorges on death. Think about all the interesting things it would have consumed after hundreds or thousands of years drifiting and hunting in the astral plane.
I am considering DMing again. Can you please do a video about how to handle a group with and without a Rogue. Thank you for your cooperation and support.
Those things are terrifying.
omg the bag of holding + banishment idea
Hearing about tha astral sea makes me want a more indepth series on the planes of 5e. The books sometimes only give 1 paragraph.
I'm gonna have to read the rules again, but I really like the idea of Banishment + Bag of Holding. Could make for a great moment where the party accidentally sends themselves and a villain into the Astral Plane when they attempt to banish the guy.
This is why I love this channel: Information, Inspiration, and Humor.
My thought on incorporating an Astral Dreadnaught into an adventure would be to have a major location like a temple or the entrance to a dungeon inside one of these things. So they either have to kill it, or all manage to get swallowed depending on the parties skill set. Maybe even have "bad guy cult" protecting it and they have to beat them all or volunteer to be fed to it or something.
Hey I got one of these acting as a door guardian to a powerful sorcererer ally of the party in my campaign. But he's disguised as a grumpy gnome that talks shit to the party every time they visit (I kinda hope they try to smack him around one of these days just so that he can reveal his true form tbh)
Thardizun* seems like where Matt Mercer got the idea for the "chained oblivion", if it's not the exact same thing.
*probably misspelled.
For anyone wondering what they mentioned toward the end of the video,
"Placing a bag of holding inside an extradimensional space created by a Handy Haversack, Portable Hole, or similar item instantly destroys both items and opens a gate to the Astral Plane."
Seems in 5e it's only if you use extra dimensional items and put them inside one another.
Sick camera work.
Who’s here after critical role campaign 2 episode 82 lol
The wording I see for bags of holding in 5E is "Placing a bag of holding inside an extra dimensional space created by a Heward's handy haversack, portable hole, or similar item instantly destroys both items..." So while the effect is definitely as expected, it is limited to containers that hold unusually large amounts of stuff being placed inside each other. Also, it actually says that it opens a gate to the Astral Plane which sucks in any creature within 10 feet of it. So even if you wanted to allow it to happen, any players too close to the bad guy when he is banished would get sucked through as well, "to a random location on the Astral Plane".
Thimk you'll ever get around to doing one of these videos on the Atropal?
Treasure hunt in the astral plain. A great powerful person in history was was sailing a ship in the astral plain and a astral dreadnought eat the ship and now crazy powerful adventurers have taken up the hunt trying to get safely eaten by astral dreadnoughts to go into the pocket plains in side them to try and gather some relic reported to have been about the ship.
maybe you attach a portal to your personal Demiplane to the spot where its tail fades away like putting a bell on a cat
Goodbye M9.
Love that one brunch man tshirt
I was thinking about what big creature to use before the final boss fight of my campaign based around the astral plane, and I think I found it...
1 So if this thing eats you ap body will it bring your real body to it bc the way ap works? 2 When its cone looks at a ap body will it go away till its no longer in the cone. 3 when it closes its eye is it rolling at disadvantage bc its blind then?
Does the demiplane belly have a digestive function? When it swallows a target, is the astral dreadnought only imprisoning them, or is it eating them too?
What if the Demi-plane in its stomach was Barovia/Ravenloft? Characters wake up with little memory, not knowing how they got there. Strahd is a prisoner there as well. Over the course of the adventure they begin to remember and learn that the only way out is to destroy the "Astral Heart" (Heart of Sorrow). It would need some work, but I think it's doable.
Please tell me you're running that, that would be so epic!
Or alternatively...
[Rolling cart noises]
"Hey, you. You're finally awake."
0:02 The *only* way to project your essence into the Astral Plane.
On the Astral Plane you say...hmm. That makes me wonder how many times my Arcane Trickster Rogue can use Misty Step without bumping into one. That could be exciting.
Everyone's freaking out over how powerful this thing is and here I am giggling over how this thing legit looks like something straight out of Doom.
As far as putting it in, sight it in the distance a few times before the actual fight
I have always sort of equated the astral dreadnaught with the ultima weapon of the final fantasy games, not a big boss, avoidable with effort, dangerous even at high level, may not entirely be worth facing but possibly great fortune to be one. I like using them in adventures involving a major artifact, or as a consequence from the use of a deck of many things (donjon).
Astral Dreadnoughts really remind me of Thing-weights from the old Bazil Broketail books by Christopher Rowley. Throughout this entire episode I was just picturing Ribela sojourning through the Black Mirror...
Raikirah oh my gods below I read one of those books as a child and lost it moving, couldn’t remember anything specific about the book to identify the series but the second I saw the name Bazil it clicked, I’m so glad you mentioned them!
Macguyver Bond Glad to be of help. Yeah, they were one of my favorite collections, growing up. Sadly I lost my copy of Book 2, and it's ridiculously hard to find anymore.
I like thinking about the Astral Plane. In my mind (and in my game world, though I haven't brought it into play yet), the Astral Plane is sort of a combination of the "spirit world" and just space. If my fantasy party ever gets to epic level, I want to have a spaceship appear in their world from out of the Astral plane; in the world that it originates from they've used science to be able to travel the Astral plane (think Star Wars hyperspace, Star Trek warp, that kind of thing), and now you've got a fantasy world that finds out there are other planets out there that exist in their same plane of existence and are far more technologically advanced (though they don't use magic in the same way, but harness some of magic's same effects through scientific means).