Here in Germany the hospitals, schools, etc that the church owns are usualy 90%-95% financed by the state. The salary of priests and bishops is also payed for by the state. The state also colects "church tax" from every member (every baptised person who hasn't officialy left the church) of the church. The church pays (largely) no taxes and no one knows how much money it actualy has because the finances of every diocese is secret.
@minnihd6470 I strongly disagree. The church ruled the lands it owned until 1803 like any other lord or king at the time. Why compensade it and not, say, the descendants of the rulers of Franconia, which was incorporated into Bavaria around the same time? And even if you believe the compenations to be justified: for over a hundred years the german constitution calls for them to end and for the church to be paid off. But no german government has ever attempted to do so.
@Arbon316 if it is such a problem for you, vote accordingly. As of now, there aren't enough people that want the payments to stop. Why the compensation? Because the cristianity is more important than any dynasty that ever existed
You obviously can't believe 100% of what the church says, but I do think something important would be lost to all of us if they sold off all their valuables to private collectors or let their buildings be bulldozed to make offices or something like that. You can't equate all that cultural value to liquid wealth.
I believe that also to be true. Even though I dislike the church enough to leave it I still believe that the art is better with them than private collectors.
Os protestantes falam da riqueza católica. Mas a riqueza é muito mais historico e cultural. Depois eu deixo aqui a quantidades de hospitais e outros itens de ajuda aos podres. Mas em contra ponto de lucas 18:25... Vou de: São João 12:5-6 [5]Por que não se vendeu este bálsamo por trezentos denários e não se deu aos pobres? [6]Dizia isso não porque ele se interessasse pelos pobres, mas porque era ladrão e, tendo a bolsa, furtava o que nela lançavam. Acho que os protestantes são Judas, querem fazer caridade com dinheiro de outros. Ou como diz o texto pq roubavam da bolsa (roubam o dismo e lhe impoem penitencias lingas).
AFRICA 950 hospitais 650 asilos 2000 jardins de infância 800 orfanatos 5000 dispensarios (entregam remédios) 260 leprosarios Dados 2022 ASIA 1000 hospitais 1600 asilos 2900 jardins de infância 3900 orfanatos 3000 dispensarios (entregam remédios) 300 leprosarios Dados 2021 AMERICA 1900 hospitais 3700 asilos 4200 jardins de infância 2500 orfanatos 5400 dispensarios (entregam remédios) 50 leprosarios EUROPA - CARIDADE/AJUDA 1200 hospitais 7900 asilos 2300 jardins infância 2400 dispensarios (entregam remédios) 4 leprosarios OCEANIA 170 hospitais 360 asilos 90 jardins de infância 60 orfanatos 180 dispensários (entregam remédios) 1 leprosários EDUCAÇÃO 73000 escolas maternais (administra) 6.900.000 alunos frequentando 96.000 escolas primárias (administra) 32.000.000 alunos 45.000 escolas secundárias 19.000.000 alunos 2.000.000 alunos escolas superiores 2.500.000 estudantes universitários TOTAL GERAL 5.034 hospitais com as presenças maiores na América e África; 16.627 dispensários, na maior parte na África, América e Ásia; 611 leprosários distribuídos principalmente na Ásia e África; 15.518 casas para idosos, doentes crônicos e deficientes, na maior parte na Europa e América; 9.770 orfanatos na maior parte na Ásia; 12.082 jardins de infância com maior número na Ásia e América; 14.391 consultórios matrimoniais, na maior parte na América e Europa; 3.896 centros de educação e reeducação social. 115500 Institutos sanitários, de assistência e beneficência em todo o mundo. Nao 38.256 instituições de outro tipo. •14.205 ambulatórios 567 hospitais de hanseníase (lepra) 15.276 lares idosos, doentes crônicos e deficientes 9.703 orfanatos 10.567 creches - (Jardins de infância) 10.604 centros de aconselhamento matrimonial. Dados de 2020 a 2023
I was born in 1960 and raised Catholic. We never missed a Sunday or religious holiday at church. In the early 70's during a sermon the priest demanded that all parishioners donate enough to compensate for all fo the non-catholics living in the parish boundaries, or don't come back to church. That was my families last Sunday at church.
I find it hard to believe that he said that, could you be misremembering, since you were probably young when this happened? Also, even if that was said, it doesn’t invalidate the Church nor prove her teachings wrong. This was a one off event of a priest maybe choosing poor word choice or just being a bad pastor.
@@isaiahjohnson7427 I didn't misremember. I was about 12 years old and I couldn't believe how upset my devout catholic parents were. They didn't abandon the church teachings, but they were done with the monetary obsession of the church.
@@Skinhound Perhaps, but Father Drobel, paster at St. Catherine's Church in NE Philadelphia, had a long history of berating and insulting the congregation both during sermons and when in person. A year later I had transferred to public school and we had a day off and the Catholic school was in session. We were cutting across the Catholic school parking lot on our bikes and he cam running out and told us that if we didn't get off his property he would have the 8th grade class come out and "beat us to a bloody pulp". (His exact words. To this day I can still hear them.). My parents told our next door neighbor, who was a police officer, and he said that a priest can get away with whatever they want, especially since the Philadelphia police department as run by Frank Rizzo and was predominantly Catholic. This was in 1973.
It's so simply, the Church it's not a state where you have a central goverment who control all the administration, but in fact, we have a lot of small independent administrations and some of them it's in debt, because of they cust to maintain all the charity work. By the way, it's wrong the premisses: Vatican it's the Catholic church, the vatican wealth it's the catholic church wealth, and saing the church it's rich, because it's simply to see that a lot of local administrations it's in debt. Another crucial point it's consider the account of investments, how you consider investment like a wealth where you can pay something? So you can pay a debt with a hospital, with a school, or an historic site?
This was a balanced evaluation - You put aside personal views (as historians and sociologists must) and gave the Catholic Church's own justifications. I'm not over-fond of ridiculously empowered religious organizations (or really, all powerful groups of any type!). I'm not religious. But the Catholic Church does have its good points. I worked for many years in a Catholic Hospital, one in a chain of hundreds. I live in a city with several Protestant hospitals. A nearby city has a Jewish hospital. All of these accept charity patients. But I've yet to see a hospital with a name like, "First Atheist's Hospital", or, "First Communist's Hospital". I've nothing against either group of people, but step up to the plate, folks! Just saying.
"First Communist's Hospital"? All hospitals are free in socialism/communism. I live in former socialist republic and still today, 34 years after the fall, we still have free healthcare. For the vast majority of people that is the only source of healthcare because of poverty. Secondly, for the "First Atheist's Hospital" you presuppose that atheists around the world are organized and unified into a single organization akin to Catholic Church. I'm not saying that Catholic Church doesn't have its "good points", I'm just saying that you argument is invalid. Plus, why rely on "charity" healthcare in religious hospitals, when we could have free healthcare for all? I read somewhere that Jesus was the first communist (the idea of christian 'commune'). It seems about right.
@@nusolog I was speaking only of the United States, and most European countries. I should have clarified. Socialist and Communist states have healthcare for all, to varying levels of success, but I will definitely say, at least its there! Our healthcare in the U.S,. is absolutely shameful, for such a wealthy country. I'm on Medicare Advantage, which at least, helps a little, but I nearly died from an infection trying to get it treated a while back. On the second point, it would be nice if Atheists could be unified. They would be able to achieve more good things, as Christopher Hitchens did. (I'm an admirer). On your third point: Jesus and his apostles lived communally. So you can make a good point for the early Christians practicing a form of true communism.
@@nusolog So you're from a country that used to be communist ? So am I. The thing about Jesus being a communist is that he and the others shared the fruits of their LABOR. That's the part most western commies ignore. I doubt there were Christians telling Jesus: "I feel depressed today, I'm not going to work"
@@darda2449 how is it even possible to unite atheists while atheism itself can't be clearly defined. As "people, not believing in God", it is comparable to "people, not being redheads" or "people, not owning Honda". On healthcare. Biggest problem of your healthcare are insane prices of medical procedures.
@@nusologJesus wasn’t communist, he agrees we should share with others and be giving, but that’s the thing, we SHOULD be giving, we shouldn’t be forced to give to others, it’s an option. Granted it’s one I believe we should all take, but still we shouldn’t be forced, (this is excluding taxes, taxes are sadly a reality that must be dealt with, give unto Caesar what is Caesar’s)
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Here in Germany the hospitals, schools, etc that the church owns are usualy 90%-95% financed by the state. The salary of priests and bishops is also payed for by the state. The state also colects "church tax" from every member (every baptised person who hasn't officialy left the church) of the church. The church pays (largely) no taxes and no one knows how much money it actualy has because the finances of every diocese is secret.
This made me puke
Exactly the same happens in Spain.
This is to compensate for the dispossession of Church propetry in 1803, and imo pretty fair considering the amount seized from the Church.
@minnihd6470 I strongly disagree. The church ruled the lands it owned until 1803 like any other lord or king at the time. Why compensade it and not, say, the descendants of the rulers of Franconia, which was incorporated into Bavaria around the same time? And even if you believe the compenations to be justified: for over a hundred years the german constitution calls for them to end and for the church to be paid off. But no german government has ever attempted to do so.
@Arbon316 if it is such a problem for you, vote accordingly. As of now, there aren't enough people that want the payments to stop.
Why the compensation? Because the cristianity is more important than any dynasty that ever existed
You obviously can't believe 100% of what the church says, but I do think something important would be lost to all of us if they sold off all their valuables to private collectors or let their buildings be bulldozed to make offices or something like that. You can't equate all that cultural value to liquid wealth.
I believe that also to be true. Even though I dislike the church enough to leave it I still believe that the art is better with them than private collectors.
To answer the question in the title:
They don't ...... millions of followers do it for The Church, and the state can do very little to change it.
Os protestantes falam da riqueza católica. Mas a riqueza é muito mais historico e cultural.
Depois eu deixo aqui a quantidades de hospitais e outros itens de ajuda aos podres.
Mas em contra ponto de lucas 18:25...
Vou de: São João 12:5-6
[5]Por que não se vendeu este bálsamo por trezentos denários e não se deu aos pobres?
[6]Dizia isso não porque ele se interessasse pelos pobres, mas porque era ladrão e, tendo a bolsa, furtava o que nela lançavam.
Acho que os protestantes são Judas, querem fazer caridade com dinheiro de outros.
Ou como diz o texto pq roubavam da bolsa (roubam o dismo e lhe impoem penitencias lingas).
AFRICA
950 hospitais
650 asilos
2000 jardins de infância
800 orfanatos
5000 dispensarios (entregam remédios)
260 leprosarios
Dados 2022
ASIA
1000 hospitais
1600 asilos
2900 jardins de infância
3900 orfanatos
3000 dispensarios (entregam remédios)
300 leprosarios
Dados 2021
AMERICA
1900 hospitais
3700 asilos
4200 jardins de infância
2500 orfanatos
5400 dispensarios (entregam remédios)
50 leprosarios
EUROPA - CARIDADE/AJUDA
1200 hospitais
7900 asilos
2300 jardins infância
2400 dispensarios (entregam remédios)
4 leprosarios
OCEANIA
170 hospitais
360 asilos
90 jardins de infância
60 orfanatos
180 dispensários (entregam remédios)
1 leprosários
EDUCAÇÃO
73000 escolas maternais (administra)
6.900.000 alunos frequentando
96.000 escolas primárias (administra)
32.000.000 alunos
45.000 escolas secundárias
19.000.000 alunos
2.000.000 alunos escolas superiores
2.500.000 estudantes universitários
TOTAL GERAL
5.034 hospitais com as presenças maiores na América e África;
16.627 dispensários, na maior parte na África, América e Ásia;
611 leprosários distribuídos principalmente na Ásia e África;
15.518 casas para idosos, doentes crônicos e deficientes, na maior parte na Europa e América;
9.770 orfanatos na maior parte na Ásia;
12.082 jardins de infância com maior número na Ásia e América;
14.391 consultórios matrimoniais, na maior parte na América e Europa;
3.896 centros de educação e reeducação social.
115500 Institutos sanitários, de assistência e beneficência em todo o mundo.
Nao
38.256 instituições de outro tipo.
•14.205 ambulatórios
567 hospitais de hanseníase (lepra)
15.276 lares idosos, doentes crônicos e deficientes
9.703 orfanatos
10.567 creches - (Jardins de infância)
10.604 centros de aconselhamento matrimonial.
Dados de 2020 a 2023
Good work man. keep it up
Thanks, will do!
George Carlin - God Loves You, And He Needs Money!
Wow. Does a 2,000-year-old institution with millions of followers have resources? Well, let's evaluate ALL religious institutions, one at a time.
That’s an incredible amount of wealth.
And it's not wrong to have it. Prove me wrong.
I was born in 1960 and raised Catholic. We never missed a Sunday or religious holiday at church. In the early 70's during a sermon the priest demanded that all parishioners donate enough to compensate for all fo the non-catholics living in the parish boundaries, or don't come back to church. That was my families last Sunday at church.
I find it hard to believe that he said that, could you be misremembering, since you were probably young when this happened?
Also, even if that was said, it doesn’t invalidate the Church nor prove her teachings wrong. This was a one off event of a priest maybe choosing poor word choice or just being a bad pastor.
@@isaiahjohnson7427 I didn't misremember. I was about 12 years old and I couldn't believe how upset my devout catholic parents were. They didn't abandon the church teachings, but they were done with the monetary obsession of the church.
A little dramatic reaction to the words of just one man, not an entire church
@@Skinhound Perhaps, but Father Drobel, paster at St. Catherine's Church in NE Philadelphia, had a long history of berating and insulting the congregation both during sermons and when in person. A year later I had transferred to public school and we had a day off and the Catholic school was in session. We were cutting across the Catholic school parking lot on our bikes and he cam running out and told us that if we didn't get off his property he would have the 8th grade class come out and "beat us to a bloody pulp". (His exact words. To this day I can still hear them.). My parents told our next door neighbor, who was a police officer, and he said that a priest can get away with whatever they want, especially since the Philadelphia police department as run by Frank Rizzo and was predominantly Catholic. This was in 1973.
Help us the holy catholic church!
Read The Vatican Billions by Arvo Manhattan it will be an eye opener.
That beginning verse was translated wrong
It's so simply, the Church it's not a state where you have a central goverment who control all the administration, but in fact, we have a lot of small independent administrations and some of them it's in debt, because of they cust to maintain all the charity work. By the way, it's wrong the premisses: Vatican it's the Catholic church, the vatican wealth it's the catholic church wealth, and saing the church it's rich, because it's simply to see that a lot of local administrations it's in debt. Another crucial point it's consider the account of investments, how you consider investment like a wealth where you can pay something? So you can pay a debt with a hospital, with a school, or an historic site?
Money is needed for world domination. Got it.
A Igreja Católica conserva a tradição oral e muitos escritos que não estão na Bíblia.(João 21:25)
This was a balanced evaluation - You put aside personal views (as historians and sociologists must) and gave the Catholic Church's own justifications. I'm not over-fond of ridiculously empowered religious organizations (or really, all powerful groups of any type!). I'm not religious. But the Catholic Church does have its good points. I worked for many years in a Catholic Hospital, one in a chain of hundreds. I live in a city with several Protestant hospitals. A nearby city has a Jewish hospital. All of these accept charity patients. But I've yet to see a hospital with a name like, "First Atheist's Hospital", or, "First Communist's Hospital". I've nothing against either group of people, but step up to the plate, folks!
Just saying.
"First Communist's Hospital"? All hospitals are free in socialism/communism. I live in former socialist republic and still today, 34 years after the fall, we still have free healthcare. For the vast majority of people that is the only source of healthcare because of poverty. Secondly, for the "First Atheist's Hospital" you presuppose that atheists around the world are organized and unified into a single organization akin to Catholic Church.
I'm not saying that Catholic Church doesn't have its "good points", I'm just saying that you argument is invalid. Plus, why rely on "charity" healthcare in religious hospitals, when we could have free healthcare for all? I read somewhere that Jesus was the first communist (the idea of christian 'commune'). It seems about right.
@@nusolog I was speaking only of the United States, and most European countries. I should have clarified. Socialist and Communist states have healthcare for all, to varying levels of success, but I will definitely say, at least its there! Our healthcare in the U.S,. is absolutely shameful, for such a wealthy country. I'm on Medicare Advantage, which at least, helps a little, but I nearly died from an infection trying to get it treated a while back.
On the second point, it would be nice if Atheists could be unified. They would be able to achieve more good things, as Christopher Hitchens did. (I'm an admirer).
On your third point: Jesus and his apostles lived communally. So you can make a good point for the early Christians practicing a form of true communism.
@@nusolog So you're from a country that used to be communist ? So am I.
The thing about Jesus being a communist is that he and the others shared the fruits of their LABOR. That's the part most western commies ignore.
I doubt there were Christians telling Jesus: "I feel depressed today, I'm not going to work"
@@darda2449 how is it even possible to unite atheists while atheism itself can't be clearly defined. As "people, not believing in God", it is comparable to "people, not being redheads" or "people, not owning Honda".
On healthcare. Biggest problem of your healthcare are insane prices of medical procedures.
@@nusologJesus wasn’t communist, he agrees we should share with others and be giving, but that’s the thing, we SHOULD be giving, we shouldn’t be forced to give to others, it’s an option. Granted it’s one I believe we should all take, but still we shouldn’t be forced, (this is excluding taxes, taxes are sadly a reality that must be dealt with, give unto Caesar what is Caesar’s)
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It’s the only real Christianity and has been around for 2000 years. I’d say it doesn’t have to justify 2000 years of accumulated wealth