0:55 Interesting story here; During the siege of Rome, the pope said that whoever ordered the attack would be excommunicated. With most of the Italian high command being catholic, this proved quite the dilemma. They solved it by finding a random Jewish soldier and promoting him so that he could order it.
4:50 Not quite; the UN only recognizes The Holy See as an observer, it is not a member and never has been. The Holy See has the right to attend UN assemblies as an entity, but it cannot put forward candidates, submit proposals or vote in any manner. The UN does not allow Vatican City membership due to it not supporting its citizens, but it does recognize that The Holy See holds sovereign statehood over Vatican City. And just to make things even more complicated: 2:25 technically the Pope as the bishop of Rome (defined as the lead bishop of the Catholic Church) has his bishop seat (cathedra) in the Archbasilica of Saint John Lateran, outside of the Vatican. Yes he may sit more often on the 'throne' in St. Peter's Basilica but that's not where his official 'seat' is.
Let's get this straight right now! It's never to late to tell you you nailed it, an made me laugh at the same time, if ever we meet drinks and or whatever is on me...(◠‿◕)
There is one interesting aspect of the Lateran Treaty with regard to citizenship that you forgot to mention: if any Vatican citizen, during the course of his / her work for the Holy See should lose all other citizenship, then upon completion of said work and concurrent loss of Vatican citizenship, said individual is automatically granted Italian citizenship.
Wait what? Isn't that a loophole? That means I could go work for the pope, renounce my US citizenship and then when I'm "fired" I'm automatically an Italian citizen??
@@natepags558 no, that's only with double citizenship. If you don't have US citizenship and don't live in the US, you don't have to pay US taxes, no matter what citizenships you may or may not have had in the past.
@@j_m_b_1914 The thing is that your citizenship has to be revoked, you can't just renounce it. Many countries won't just revoke your citizenship without reason. Don't know about the US though.
@@aashuthoshsharma715 could you please tell me where it is from? I'm trying to wrap my head around it and I'm failing. It's like a shadow dangling in my peripheral vision, I can't pinpoint it. Please tell or my head will explode.
@@mcmasters1484 yes. There's a monarch who exercises absolute power. The elections are just a matter of succession law which don't preclude it being a monarchy.
Ron Lewenberg Pope and Pontiff are synonymous. The triple crown means superiority over any kings and princes, moral rector of the whole world, and deputy vicar of Christ on Earth. Use of the triple crown has been left out but nor abolished neither abandoned since pope Paul VI.
Scott Crocker Not exactly the language of the foul demons that reside in oblivion. But it is believed to be the language of the dead as Latin is the norm of the church's language and is the only thing heard by the soul in their burial ceremony. Although keep in mind that prayers cannot save souls from hell, and nor is there a "place-not-hellish-nor-heavenish" called "purgatory". The church itself sways the minds of men to follow doctrine instead of the truth engraved within the sacred scriptures.
I actually circumnavigated Vatican City because of this video. Took about 45 minutes and there isn't a sidewalk for about half of it, making some corners pretty dangerous to walk around. Regardless it was very rewarding and a lot of fun!
It's pretty common knowledge at this point ***** He revealed it (accidentally or on purpose I don't know) when he showed an email to him in one of his videos.
"the largest church in the world" According to the Guinness World Records, it is the second-biggest. The largest church in the world is actually the Basilica of Our Lady of Peace in Yamoussoukro, Côte d'Ivoire with an area of 30,000 square meters (320,000 sq ft). Ironically, it was modeled after Saint Peter's Basilica. Though St. Peter's can accommodate more worshippers at 60K compared to Our Lady of Peace's 18K. Also 3:22 Qatar is NOT an absolute monarchy but rather a semi-constitutional one. However, although the UAE is considered a federal semi-constitutional monarchy, the rulers of each emirate is an absolute monarch
The Basilica of Our Lady of Peace is largest I believe is because the surrounding land is also calculated and not just the Basilica itself, which is ironically smaller than the accompanying Cathedral near it which is also included in the calculation
The idea of the Holy See as a corporate person with permanent identity isn't that unusual- The Crown serves this function in UK and Commonwealth constitutional theories, and its roots in the English tradition go back into the deep middle ages. Even earlier, the idea that the monarchy institutionally continued from one ruler to the next, or even in a gap between them, is actually pretty basic stuff. Nor is it meaningfully different, at least as far as this goes, from the continuity of the state in republics.
The problem is that Grey is clearly an American, who do not have a concept of a non-commercial corporation, as all Civil Law countries have. The Orthodox Patriarchs, the Muslim Ismāʿīlism sect and the Catholic Churches' Orders are examples as well.
@@Cr3zant they do not distribute profits between shareholders, because there are none, they are entities without ultimate beneficial owners. They are not an American megachurch in this sense...
Fun fact: there is one Pope for every 0.17 miles of land in Vatican City. The highest density of Popes per capita of anywhere in the world! Also Vatican City has the highest crime rate of any country in the world. Coincidence?
It isonce explained by someone in ig actually. The rate is resulted by the small ammount of citizens who are never really citizens (non-permanent) compared to tons of tourists. So if the citizens are 100 then u have 5000 tourists each day and 500 crimes each day, then u will find the numbers are outrageous..
The first time a non-cardinal pope was elected was in 1294, after more than 2 years the conclave couldn't decide on a pope so they just elected an old benedictine monk dude, who became Celestine V. He was such a humble dude that he was later canonized, his reign lasted only a few months though because all the cardinals were playing with him (mostly the dude that became the next pope after him) and abusing the fact he has no idea about politics since he was a monk. He was the first pope in history to resign. After he resigned Boniface VIII the next pope inprisoned him because he feared the people who supported Celestine V might establish him as an antipope (even though he didn't want to become a pope in the first place) and the poor old dude died 2 years after.
Regardless if you're Catholic or not, the Vatican is very worth visiting. The Vatican Museum, covering every culture on earth, is one of the ten top museums in the world and has some of the most famous art in the world. Michelangelos La Pieta and the Creation, etc are only a small part of art from all over history and archaeology from around the world.
@@MariuszWelna And what relevance does that have here? oH thE vAtIcAn mUsEUms are wOrth viSiTiNG bEcAUsE All thE cOOl stUff thErE ArE stOLEn...does that make sense to you? It doesn't to me.
Yongle96 Co-Supra-de jure-head of state... there are two co-princes (so the same applies to the electors (citizens over 18) of France) and their appointer cannot really be called “supra-head of state” (even if they were the same person) because “Supra-“ means above i.e more but in this case the role fo head of state is symbolic and the Pope is most definitely not more symbolic than the co-princes.
+SecretPaisleyELITE The "See" in Holy See comes from "sie", a word in Old French that meant "seat" (unrelated to the other word "see" that means to percieve with one's eyes). Hence, The Holy See is just a fancy way of saying "The Holy Seat", which is why it's known in German as "The Holy Chair". Or, as the case may be, The Holy Feces.
+EC912 Crap I do aswell... I commonly make a country called Alexianus with a king called Sir Alexinus Alexander lV and my real name is Alex. Can anyone cure this?
Because the Vatican City is .44 square km, and it contains the pope, it has approximately 2 popes per square kilometer, or a pope-ulation density of 2.27.
I'm a student of international law in Buenos Aires, Argentina. When I had to study this messy situation, I found this video which is a very useful tool to understand the basics. Thanks for the amazing job!
Wow this was informative really informative. So Walmart should get some land and call it Walmartia and then all the Walmart employees could be called martians.
No, who ever is appointed to sit on the Holy See 🇻🇦 runs Vatican City. So the pope thats appointed now runs it. Just like how a king of a country is appointed as the Crown.
Within the territory of Vatican City are the Vatican Gardens (Italian: Giardini Vaticani),[58] which account for about half of this territory. The gardens, established during the Renaissance and Baroque era, are decorated with fountains and sculptures. The gardens cover approximately 23 hectares (57 acres). The highest point is 60 metres (197 ft) above mean sea level. Stone walls bound the area in the north, south and west. The gardens date back to medieval times when orchards and vineyards extended to the north of the Papal Apostolic Palace.[59] In 1279, Pope Nicholas III (Giovanni Gaetano Orsini, 1277-1280) moved his residence back to the Vatican from the Lateran Palace and enclosed this area with walls.[60] He planted an orchard (pomerium), a lawn (pratellum), and a garden (viridarium).[60]
certain terms are confusing but can be cleared up: Vatican City: Territory that belongs to the Holy See, the remains of what used to be the Papal States Holy See: The episcopal jurisdiction of the Bishop of Rome (aka, the Pope), also, the Pope and the Holy See are considered to be one in the same. Foreign Governments do not have ambassadors to the Vatican, they have ambassadors to the Holy See. Roman Curia: The administrative body of the Holy See (Government of the Roman Catholic Church)
He said, "within a rounding error, there are no female vaticans". if there are 30 female vaticans and around 500 vaticans total, then the percentage of female vaticans is less than .5, which means it rounds to zero. y'know, withing a rounding error.
Never thought I'd laugh and enjoy a video about Vatican, since you made a rather fast and sarcastic video and at the same time, a really frankly and realistic one.
Note that the rulers of every other land bow and kiss the popes ring. The vatican has the worlds largest collection of painting of naked children.... There isn't a single catholic that isn't a pedophile supporter to say the least of em.
@D. P. Christianity is not idolatry to start with, thus the catholics didn't bring it friend. You would have to understand what Christianity even is, just because they talk about "A" "jesus" doesn't mean they are talking about the real one taught in Scriptures my friend. In other words as the Bible says they were nothing more than wolves in sheeps clothing. Most people don't understand what a Christian even is or what a true one believes. I'm sure you know of who Judas Iscariot was, in Jesus' day everyone though he was a believer as well but he was the one that sold Jesus out for 30 pieces of silver....
@D. P. "I want to know who really brought Christianity to Western Europe." Couldn't tell you I wasn't around when it happened. I'm not one to really believe the claims of much of the history written. "bibles were written in 15 century AD" Actually Scriptures were pened before Christ came, not the NT, but the OT was. "Jesus is character of church literature" Depends on which "jesus" you are talking about, but you are half true there.
Im studying italian culture and european history in italy for a month. Today we had a 3 hour class about the history and inner workings of the vatican and the holy see. This video taught me more than that class.
The Catholic Church seems to be one of the, if not the, most open and accepting religious groups that I know. It's the loonies like the Westboro Baptists that give Christianity a bad name.
the catacombs are to house the dead and as a safe place. As no upstanding person would attack a church and if they did, why the catacombs. Even though attacking a village was commonplace, desecration was a huge fucking deal.
***** Whatever bishop is appoint by the Pope. But the pope is not co-prince of Andorra. The President of French Republic is elected by french citizens. The Andorrians are not elect their co-princes.
I won my first ever civ 4 game by this method. Not because of my population, but because of all the religion across the globe. No one started wars or bullied me because they all followed religions I founded and spread. I ended up being voted into the UN and elected leader because of this, thus getting the diplomatic victory.
EsailiaLightheart religions aren't the problem. it people who do things differently then what they are used to is what starts wars. you can take all faiths out and you will still have wars.
+josephina Strano the catholic church is led by the pope. The eastern orthodox church is run by a patriarch. Protestant christians have no ruler and are split into several denominations (baptist, evangelist, nazarene, etc).
It might have been worth noting that the Italian move against the Papal States was part of their unification, as opposed to just implying the modern Kingdom of Italy had always existed on both sides and had just decided to eliminate the Papal States stuck in their middle.
This is so nice to know! I lived in Roma,Italy for three years and all the memories are coming back. I always wondered about the Vatican City after being there myself, now I know!
This was an insightful video because I’m reading Angels and Demons by Dan Brown and The Vatican City and it’s descriptive whereabouts appears to be very important in this book and this video helped a lot since I have no real knowledge of the Vatican except the basics (Pope, city of holiness etc). Thanks!
Your videos are going to get REAL interesting in a few years when you revisit the Vatican City and the City of London (in London City). REAL interesting.
Isn't the whole "king and pope at the same time" ordeal the same in england? because by rule the king of england is also the head of the anglican church, no?
+Sirholyphoenix those are exactly why we are successful as a species though. instead of having every person do whatever he wants, regardless of its consequences for the rest of the society, we have instead created a set of ideals that everyone is expected to adhere to, which greatly benefits the society by preventing most of the "unreliable" members of the society from going on random killing/ robbing sprees either through social pressure or through the use of force (law enforcement). these inanimate objects serve as a reminder to (ideally) every member of the society to the core principles the society was founded upon.
It also makes Vatican City the only absolute monarchy in Europe. And even if Vatican City is not a European member, it has the right to use their currency, the "Euro".
We are talking about country government. The United Kingdom Monarchy has very little power to the country therefore its a constitutional monarchy not an absolute monarchy.
In reality, Mussolini treated with the pope because, in 1870, Italy occupied Rome because She wanted Rome as capital city and destroyed Papal State. Then, the pope said all Christians that they can't take part in italian policy, and most of them lsiten him. After 50 years, Mussolini decided to solve this problem and, with the pope, he signed Lateran Pact (Patti Lateranensi in italian). And with this pact, Vatican City borned, like you said :) (sorry for my english, I'm italian, and this is why i'm so informed about this argument :P)
"This map is wildly over-simplified but trust me, you really don't want to know" (0:38)So tell me why I have to study all this mess and names and events?Next time I'll write this on my History test. Thanks CGP Grey.
I'll say the holy sea is a company... And therefore I want to make a company to make my own passports to travel to wherever I want as whoever I want therefore I can easily escape a man hunt for me
In order to do that, first you'll need to buy land and the rights of sovereignty to that land, assuming you can find an existing nation willing to sell it.
Patterned Pike Or conquer a random island somewhere, construct an evil lair, hire henchmen, laugh maniacally a couple of times, and stroke a white cat. Congratulations, you are now the proud owner of a small country and a supervillain! I'd recommend ducking right now, as the sound your hearing is the rushing wind accompanying that meddling hero's abdominal muscles.
Is nearly 20 years that i live in rome, i was born in rome, i've studied all the history behind my contry and still doesn't undestrand vatican city and it's law, statute and so on. Indeed is a good looking city, with lots of history and art behind. If you'll ever have the possibility to come to Rome, take some time to visit vatican city, lefting behind all the problems that the religion and the city itself have.
Everything is correct in the video, but I think you're making the whole "the Pope and the King are the same person" deal way more mind-blowing than it needs to be, considering Popes have been kings for like 1200 years more or less. Also keeping calling the Holy See a corporation is not a really good idea, because the HS is more of a political entity since way before Mussolini. About Mussolini: the part about the Pope not messing in Italian war affairs has nothing to do with Hitler but more with the Pope always meddled in the political debate in Italy. Mussolini was trying to get rid of a really influential political adversary.
0:22 you've no idea how long it took me to realize that the grey bits on the map (the bits that look more like water than brown) were land and that the brown was water.
This analogy of the Holy See to a corporation is really, really weird. The vast majority of legal scholars, from what I've seen, make the analogy to a state with Vatican City as sovereign territory(which is also still its own city state), and with absolute state ownership of property. CGP Grey is the only person I see anywhere arguing that it's a corporate structure as opposed to a state structure.
Technically, the pope is not a king. While Vatican City is a monarchy, it’s not a kingdom. The Vatican constitution simply says the pope is “sovereign” of Vatican City. It would be like calling the grand Duke of Luxembourg a “king.”
fallout560 I have dyslexia and attend a well respected University and speak 3 languages not counting Latin. So it's really hard to take you seriously when you have to point out simple weaknesses like English spelling. Let me ask you something? If we were face to face and I were in a wheel chair would you feel the need point that out too?
this was explained well in this video. now imagine if someone who only half understood what was going on tried to explain it to you. or someone who had the wrong idea of what was going on. or even if a pr guy was trying to explain it.
Is it just me, or does this whole CEO/monarch thing and citizen/employee thing seem *very* cyberpunk? It doesn't sound like something that a religion would do; it sounds like something that a zaibatsu's corporate arcology would do, if their CEO lived on life support in a vat on a private space station and appeared in public only as a hologram.
Religions have to operate in the world. The world has laws, and to continue to operate with any structure, they exist within those laws. If the law would classify a religion as an organization, they do so. If the only way the Church can operate is by gaining independence as a tiny nation (very odd circumstances...), they make themselves a country, which needs a government. The religion is still there. But as the world gets more complicated, they have to adapt the structure a bit.
Lucijan Cernelic they existed before that guy. They are just a country because of him, and they only went that route because they and Mussolini didn't get along
Pretty cool analogy. Maybe we can work it like this? Religion, as most people define it, is just a subset of absolute ideologies. As technology, science, and society begin to exceed the understanding of its individual members, you will see these things become objects of "religion" in a much more general sense. i.e. faith will be necessary to operate even in your daily tasks, as the ability to critically evaluate all the necessary details is beyond the grasp of our meat brains (arguably, this point was reached a long time ago for the general population). Now, the artificial extensions we might have available to plug into that would give us a neat picture will themselves employ principles beyond our ability to learn, so even "knowing" how everything works via that method will require faith in the infrastructure that designs/builds/maintains it, which is itself a major component of society at large. So, yeah, pretty interesting stuff.
Actually, the whole concept of a legal corporate person was invented by the Catholic Church. Monks renounce their right to own property, but need a place to live. So monasteries where declared to be "people" who, because they had no souls, could not sin and therefore were not accountable for anything they did. If it sounds weird, remember: technical terms do not equal what they actually are.
***** Some of them, off the record. They care more about helping people in the Church than following the Bible, though they would never admit it, though some of them have. A lot less in Catholic, but some of them have, more Protestants if anything.
0:55 Interesting story here; During the siege of Rome, the pope said that whoever ordered the attack would be excommunicated. With most of the Italian high command being catholic, this proved quite the dilemma. They solved it by finding a random Jewish soldier and promoting him so that he could order it.
Wow
There is no evidence that this occurred. It's just a sort of old wives' tale.
(I'd call it an Urban legend, but it's really more of a Pius one.)
@@salvadorromero9712 That’s enough out of you. 😂
The Reverse Shabbos Goy: the second-oldest trick in the book.
@@cowgfwolos9560 l
Have you ever noticed that the Pope and King of the Vatican are NEVER in the same room together
huh weird, I always see them in the exact same room together
BloodTar Do you not realize its sarcasm?
BloodTar the joke
you
BloodTar no im saying that its a joke
AND YOU DiDNT GET iT DUdE
wh...what
Vatican City is a half square mile in land. So technically that means there is 2 popes per square mile
Benedict still has the title pope and lives in Vatican City (I think) so that’s four popes per square mile.
Clikbait King, it's half square kilometre, not mile
FortePiano ok then 2 popes per square kilometres
No! There would be 4 popes per square mile.
Since Pope Benedict XVI is still alive it’s 4 popes per square kilometre or 10.5 popes per square mile. That’s a lot of popes
4:50 Not quite; the UN only recognizes The Holy See as an observer, it is not a member and never has been. The Holy See has the right to attend UN assemblies as an entity, but it cannot put forward candidates, submit proposals or vote in any manner. The UN does not allow Vatican City membership due to it not supporting its citizens, but it does recognize that The Holy See holds sovereign statehood over Vatican City.
And just to make things even more complicated: 2:25 technically the Pope as the bishop of Rome (defined as the lead bishop of the Catholic Church) has his bishop seat (cathedra) in the Archbasilica of Saint John Lateran, outside of the Vatican. Yes he may sit more often on the 'throne' in St. Peter's Basilica but that's not where his official 'seat' is.
thanks kim jong un
Thanks Kim jong un
Thank you Supreme Leader.
Thank you very much, Kim Jong-un
This is unnervingly normal for this account
Pope: "oh, there's just someone else I have to introduce you to.."
*changes hats and speaks in a different tone* "Hello, I'm the king"
Hahaha from mitre to crown
The Pope " hello... God bless you let me introduce you to"
King " be gone peasant"
but can he beat The Senate
Palpatine
"Ah! Where'd the pope go? He was just here a minute ago.
Is this an Avatar reference?!?
Let's get this straight right now!
It's never to late to tell you you nailed it, an made me laugh at the same time, if ever we meet drinks and or whatever is on me...(◠‿◕)
It was meant to be called "The Holy Seat" but there was a smudge on the paper.
@Arlo Cordell Okay. What?
No, The Holy SEAT is the papal ride.
That's phisically impossible bc the paper wasnt' in English, It was in Latin
@Arlo Cordell ok so
@An Vode Yeah, they were bad at spelling too.
There is one interesting aspect of the Lateran Treaty with regard to citizenship that you forgot to mention: if any Vatican citizen, during the course of his / her work for the Holy See should lose all other citizenship, then upon completion of said work and concurrent loss of Vatican citizenship, said individual is automatically granted Italian citizenship.
Wait what? Isn't that a loophole? That means I could go work for the pope, renounce my US citizenship and then when I'm "fired" I'm automatically an Italian citizen??
@@j_m_b_1914 you would still have to pay US taxes though
@@natepags558 no, that's only with double citizenship. If you don't have US citizenship and don't live in the US, you don't have to pay US taxes, no matter what citizenships you may or may not have had in the past.
@@j_m_b_1914 The thing is that your citizenship has to be revoked, you can't just renounce it. Many countries won't just revoke your citizenship without reason. Don't know about the US though.
@@j_m_b_1914 Seems like a lot of work to be considered a “loop hole”
"Do you know the king of the Vatican?"
The Pope: "Well, of course I know him. He's me".
I understood that reference.
Wow, the sheer amount fo thought put into making this comment is just astounding. And the humor. I almost forgot to laugh
underrated comment
@@aashuthoshsharma715 could you please tell me where it is from? I'm trying to wrap my head around it and I'm failing. It's like a shadow dangling in my peripheral vision, I can't pinpoint it. Please tell or my head will explode.
@@kajamoiddeen Star Wars episode 4 when Luke asks Obi-wan if he knows Obi-wan
We were talking about remaining absolute monarchies in my history class, and i said vatican city was one. I could tell nobody believed me 😭
Can it be a absolute monarchy if you have elections?
@@mcmasters1484 yes. There's a monarch who exercises absolute power. The elections are just a matter of succession law which don't preclude it being a monarchy.
RUclips User funny you should say that,,,,,
@@mcmasters1484 it's an absolute electional teocratic monarchies (excuse for my english, im italian)
So being the pope is like being the hokage . Cool .
if there's The Holy See and where The Unholy Blind
Madara Uchiha wtf 😂😂
China
Its a rusted metal chair somewhere out in mobile alabama
Now that's a great name for a band
@@mr.squidward6947 thats racist
So..if he is King and Pope at the same time, does that mean he could wear TWO fancy hats if he wanted to?
Yes, he could. And he could also find HOT SINGLEZ IN YOUR AREA TONIGHT!!!
Actually he could wear a single one with three fancy crowns all together... 😀😎
Ron Lewenberg Pope and Pontiff are synonymous.
The triple crown means superiority over any kings and princes, moral rector of the whole world, and deputy vicar of Christ on Earth. Use of the triple crown has been left out but nor abolished neither abandoned since pope Paul VI.
No one man should have all this power
Holty The styracosaurus Are you scared by the army divisions of the Vatican? 😀
Vatican city : 500 people
Indian weddings : damn small crowd
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@@vkm0204 did you really need to use so many emojis
@@n4mel3ssw0lf8 indians speak in emoji
@@helast3916 As an Indian i can confirm
@@helast3916 True.
Is there just a "No girls allowed" sign outside the border
Only little kids lmao
Swiss Guard and Clergy all have to be men if your talking about citizenship. The Vatican gets a ton of visitor male and female
Boys only club? >:O
@Raw Sauce What's wrong with it being gay?
@Raw Sauce you can be tough, manly and gay at the same time. Being gay doesn't make you less manly than other men.
you forgot the fact that its the only country that speaks latin!
Yup
Yes, the same language all of the corrupt, old
law and medical texts are in.
Some say Latin is the language of Hell itself.
Scott Crocker Not exactly the language of the foul demons that reside in oblivion. But it is believed to be the language of the dead as Latin is the norm of the church's language and is the only thing heard by the soul in their burial ceremony. Although keep in mind that prayers cannot save souls from hell, and nor is there a "place-not-hellish-nor-heavenish" called "purgatory". The church itself sways the minds of men to follow doctrine instead of the truth engraved within the sacred scriptures.
Thomas Badberg
Avernal79 You're a Protestant, aren't you?
"Catholic related jobs"
*shows giftshop sign* lmaoo
#protestantburn
Would you prefer he showed some altar boys ?
Is it okay if this like stays at 69 likes?
@@tacticalfall4505 NO
The Archbishop of Vatican concessions 😛
I actually circumnavigated Vatican City because of this video. Took about 45 minutes and there isn't a sidewalk for about half of it, making some corners pretty dangerous to walk around. Regardless it was very rewarding and a lot of fun!
One of the best things about this video is that it is perfectly non-controversial. Good job, Grey :)
+Chrnan6710 Wait wait wait his name is Colin?
+Katara314 _ Colin Gregory Palmer Grey
It's pretty common knowledge at this point *****
He revealed it (accidentally or on purpose I don't know) when he showed an email to him in one of his videos.
Which video?
lel it is his abbreviation spelled as a name
I walked across St. Peter's Square, which technically means I walked across a country in a few minutes.
XD
How can a submarine, let alone a WW2 era one, walk across a landlocked country?
random guy lol
Anonymous same
random guy What does this have to do with WWII submarines?
There are 2 popes per square kilometer in Vatican
Ints12345 lol
Ints12345 and Vatican City is 0.44km square
Ints12345 Fancy, funny but true... 😀
Ints12345 Who knew?
@@tntgtsv1979 congrats man. 1 pope in 0.44 km, in 1 km it's roughly 2.
we have to watch this for geography class and ive never been happier in my life
But grammar?
@@loturzelrestaurant its the internet who cares about grammar fr
3:09 the *SEE*eo
Harmacist 27 underrated comment
The Holy SEE E O
the SEEeo.
Get out
That comment made me moist.
feels bad man
What do you call a black priest?
HOLY SHIT
What do you call a sleepwalking nun?
A ROAMIN' CATHOLIC
How do you get a nun to lose her virginity? Dress her up as an alter boy
Welcome to Vatican City! Where you work for a chair to become a citizen!
good for you Catholic Church, first the child rape & now this, they just can't get a break
Where you work for a chair to become a sit-izen
+MrPancake Just shut up.
Kaick Filipe actually you are right in some way...
Kaick Filipe Yea but it's the same in the UK.
You work for the Crown
"the largest church in the world" According to the Guinness World Records, it is the second-biggest. The largest church in the world is actually the Basilica of Our Lady of Peace in Yamoussoukro, Côte d'Ivoire with an area of 30,000 square meters (320,000 sq ft). Ironically, it was modeled after Saint Peter's Basilica. Though St. Peter's can accommodate more worshippers at 60K compared to Our Lady of Peace's 18K.
Also 3:22 Qatar is NOT an absolute monarchy but rather a semi-constitutional one. However, although the UAE is considered a federal semi-constitutional monarchy, the rulers of each emirate is an absolute monarch
Ok but who cares about Guinness World Records after they changed their business model from "delighting 10-year-olds" to "selling clout to dictators"?
The Basilica of Our Lady of Peace is largest I believe is because the surrounding land is also calculated and not just the Basilica itself, which is ironically smaller than the accompanying Cathedral near it which is also included in the calculation
Dayum
Why do I see your comments everywhere
5:56 "No, I can't go home, mom. I run the gift shop in the Vatican; I live here now!"
That would be the best job though if you think about it. Especially if you are catholic.
@@IncoherentSchizo Only if you are Catholic. You'll never become a citizen of Vatican City if you aren't.
You forgot to talk about the Vatican City's army, the Swiss guard
5:55 "The Pope's bodyguards" is close enough
Or the devil worshiping jesuits.
But that is the army of the Holy See, not Vatican
@@something3395 Except there is no "holy see", that is like milking a boar and claiming it's holy.
Patrick Baptist ... did you notice that capitalised H?
The idea of the Holy See as a corporate person with permanent identity isn't that unusual- The Crown serves this function in UK and Commonwealth constitutional theories, and its roots in the English tradition go back into the deep middle ages. Even earlier, the idea that the monarchy institutionally continued from one ruler to the next, or even in a gap between them, is actually pretty basic stuff. Nor is it meaningfully different, at least as far as this goes, from the continuity of the state in republics.
Shop !
Your confusing the average RUclips commentator.
The problem is that Grey is clearly an American, who do not have a concept of a non-commercial corporation, as all Civil Law countries have. The Orthodox Patriarchs, the Muslim Ismāʿīlism sect and the Catholic Churches' Orders are examples as well.
@@Danilium "Catholic Church" "Non-commercial" Pick one.
@@Cr3zant they do not distribute profits between shareholders, because there are none, they are entities without ultimate beneficial owners. They are not an American megachurch in this sense...
@@Danilium And then let's have a look at the Sovereign Military Order of Malta...
A very informative and useful video on the complicated structure of the Vatican. A must watch.
2:45 I like how the ghost popes even have ghost hats
various incarnations of Papa Emeritus
So The Holy See is a machine for converting popes to ghost popes. Make sense.
@@kevmitchify it just takes a few decades to work
Fun fact: there is one Pope for every 0.17 miles of land in Vatican City. The highest density of Popes per capita of anywhere in the world!
Also Vatican City has the highest crime rate of any country in the world. Coincidence?
Oh no
Because their population is 1000, so if 100 people do crime 10% of the country are criminals
It isonce explained by someone in ig actually. The rate is resulted by the small ammount of citizens who are never really citizens (non-permanent) compared to tons of tourists. So if the citizens are 100 then u have 5000 tourists each day and 500 crimes each day, then u will find the numbers are outrageous..
Jayson Davis yes
The mile is a linear unit. I think you meant square miles
*POPE EXCOMMUNICATES THE KING OF VATICAN CITY...ONLOOKERS CONFUSED*
Rohan Zener in italy the pope is also called "holy father"
роре коммцичкате шчтн реорые
NineTailsFox Kyuubi ironic the bible says not to call anyone on earth your father.
@@denmia1066 so what do I call my father formally
Italy:**exists**
Vatican: *Ima pretend I didn’t see that*
The first time a non-cardinal pope was elected was in 1294, after more than 2 years the conclave couldn't decide on a pope so they just elected an old benedictine monk dude, who became Celestine V. He was such a humble dude that he was later canonized, his reign lasted only a few months though because all the cardinals were playing with him (mostly the dude that became the next pope after him) and abusing the fact he has no idea about politics since he was a monk. He was the first pope in history to resign.
After he resigned Boniface VIII the next pope inprisoned him because he feared the people who supported Celestine V might establish him as an antipope (even though he didn't want to become a pope in the first place) and the poor old dude died 2 years after.
*_Silently wait this to be recomended again when the Vatican Archives raid memes start blowing up on December 24th_*
God: It's treason, then...
*Lightning and plagues intensify*
@@danese1636 So this is why 2020 is so bad
@@katoakman2761 you thought 4 months ago was bad? Dang
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Yeah.....sure............
Regardless if you're Catholic or not, the Vatican is very worth visiting. The Vatican Museum, covering every culture on earth, is one of the ten top museums in the world and has some of the most famous art in the world. Michelangelos La Pieta and the Creation, etc are only a small part of art from all over history and archaeology from around the world.
Vatican MuseumS, in plural. There's even an automotive museum.
Because they stole most of it...
@@MariuszWelna British Museum: *there is another*
@@MariuszWelna And what relevance does that have here? oH thE vAtIcAn mUsEUms are wOrth viSiTiNG bEcAUsE All thE cOOl stUff thErE ArE stOLEn...does that make sense to you? It doesn't to me.
Isn't La Pieta displayed in the St. Peter's Church? 🤔
Pretty sure it is. The church itself is free for visitors. 😉👍
Teacher: The test isn't that confusing.
The Test:
ok did not ask ydusghdujiwesvfnjedf bdes
Here’s another weird State:
Andorra, where citizens of a different country elect their co-princes but Andorrans do not
so funny, is that really true
@@freddie_barron The President of France and Bishop of Urgell are Co-Princes of Andorra.
the bishop of urgell is actually appointed by the pope, who thus is kind of a supra-head of state of andorra..
Oh, just like DC!
Yongle96 Co-Supra-de jure-head of state... there are two co-princes (so the same applies to the electors (citizens over 18) of France) and their appointer cannot really be called “supra-head of state” (even if they were the same person) because “Supra-“ means above i.e more but in this case the role fo head of state is symbolic and the Pope is most definitely not more symbolic than the co-princes.
5:41 My school has more people than the vatican does
LETS TAKE OVER! :D lol
TheWelshAssassin good job it has less pedophiles than the vatican then!
Servus & Danz Good luck, Vatican City has a standing army of 110 Swiss Guards, with the same training as US Special Forces
John Michael I'll recruit a army f 200,000,000 Hobos!
The Anonymous They're bigger than Monaco & Vatican city. You should google it...
In German, the word for "The Holy See" is "Der Heilige Stuhl", which could either mean "The Holy Stool" or "The Holy Shit".
German is fun.
+spaghetti I thought see meant lake in german
SecretPaisleyELITE Yeah but Stuhl means seat
+SecretPaisleyELITE The "See" in Holy See comes from "sie", a word in Old French that meant "seat" (unrelated to the other word "see" that means to percieve with one's eyes). Hence, The Holy See is just a fancy way of saying "The Holy Seat", which is why it's known in German as "The Holy Chair".
Or, as the case may be, The Holy Feces.
spaghetti
oh so its called the holy seat in german, but does see actually mean lake in german?
SecretPaisleyELITE Yeah See means lake
Gotta love the colorful stripes of the swiss guard.
Primitive af.
Grey Industries?? I guess the CEO has a "very singular taste".
What wasn't grey industries the company that Walter white owned but they sold his stocks
Elvis Macedo More like Gray Matter.
50 Shades of Grey XD
+EC912 slow clap....
+EC912 Crap I do aswell...
I commonly make a country called Alexianus with a king called Sir Alexinus Alexander lV and my real name is Alex.
Can anyone cure this?
Because the Vatican City is .44 square km, and it contains the pope, it has approximately 2 popes per square kilometer, or a pope-ulation density of 2.27.
It contains two popes. Pope emeritus Benedict XVI lives there too.
punny
I'm a student of international law in Buenos Aires, Argentina. When I had to study this messy situation, I found this video which is a very useful tool to understand the basics. Thanks for the amazing job!
VIBA MEJICO!!!
I always thought "In the heart of the Holy See" lyrics from the Sabaton song meant it was in the heart of a sea called the Holy Sea.
Wow this was informative really informative. So Walmart should get some land and call it Walmartia and then all the Walmart employees could be called martians.
*WALmartians
But Wall Martia will fall due to the Attack from Titans. ie Obese Shoppers
Best. Thread. Ever.
Targetrians may launch an invasion and in the chaos Amozonians may gain control of the land.
Christopher Martinez Nobody expects the Amazonian Inquisition.
so what you're telling me is....... a chair runs the vatican city and gives people passports?
+Jerrin Thomas The Holy See is like The Crown in Britain. The legal embodiment of the monarchy.
Yes
Yes, but it's a really fancy chair
Yes. It's a very smart chair.
No, who ever is appointed to sit on the Holy See 🇻🇦 runs Vatican City. So the pope thats appointed now runs it. Just like how a king of a country is appointed as the Crown.
"Elected absolute monarchy"
*polish lithuanian commonwealth intensifies*
The Sjem does not comply
Non hereditary
VETO!
*The Grand Principality of Muscovy wants to know your location*
*The Kingdom of Sweden before the Kalmar Union wants to know your location*
Within the territory of Vatican City are the Vatican Gardens (Italian: Giardini Vaticani),[58] which account for about half of this territory. The gardens, established during the Renaissance and Baroque era, are decorated with fountains and sculptures.
The gardens cover approximately 23 hectares (57 acres). The highest point is 60 metres (197 ft) above mean sea level. Stone walls bound the area in the north, south and west.
The gardens date back to medieval times when orchards and vineyards extended to the north of the Papal Apostolic Palace.[59] In 1279, Pope Nicholas III (Giovanni Gaetano Orsini, 1277-1280) moved his residence back to the Vatican from the Lateran Palace and enclosed this area with walls.[60] He planted an orchard (pomerium), a lawn (pratellum), and a garden (viridarium).[60]
certain terms are confusing but can be cleared up:
Vatican City: Territory that belongs to the Holy See, the remains of what used to be the Papal States
Holy See: The episcopal jurisdiction of the Bishop of Rome (aka, the Pope), also, the Pope and the Holy See are considered to be one in the same. Foreign Governments do not have ambassadors to the Vatican, they have ambassadors to the Holy See.
Roman Curia: The administrative body of the Holy See (Government of the Roman Catholic Church)
There are female citizens of Vatican city though, there are 30 nuns who are citizens.
He didn't say the opposite.
Diogo Gouveia ? He said that all the citizens of Vatican are male.
He said, "within a rounding error, there are no female vaticans". if there are 30 female vaticans and around 500 vaticans total, then the percentage of female vaticans is less than .5, which means it rounds to zero. y'know, withing a rounding error.
30 is 6% of 500
collin wood 30 people of 500 is 6%, as Lucas Lemos Lemos mentioned. That's not statistically significant (less than or equal to 5%)
Never thought I'd laugh and enjoy a video about Vatican, since you made a rather fast and sarcastic video and at the same time, a really frankly and realistic one.
no you have it wrong
the papal state took over the world in 1792
eu4 told me so
then the aliens got so much ae opinion they started a coalition and forced the pope to release the world
Note that the rulers of every other land bow and kiss the popes ring.
The vatican has the worlds largest collection of painting of naked children.... There isn't a single catholic that isn't a pedophile supporter to say the least of em.
@D. P. The jesuit order has been writing up what is considered official...
The vatican is the worst plague upon the Earth.
@D. P. Christianity is not idolatry to start with, thus the catholics didn't bring it friend.
You would have to understand what Christianity even is, just because they talk about "A" "jesus" doesn't mean they are talking about the real one taught in Scriptures my friend. In other words as the Bible says they were nothing more than wolves in sheeps clothing.
Most people don't understand what a Christian even is or what a true one believes.
I'm sure you know of who Judas Iscariot was, in Jesus' day everyone though he was a believer as well but he was the one that sold Jesus out for 30 pieces of silver....
@D. P. "I want to know who really brought Christianity to Western Europe." Couldn't tell you I wasn't around when it happened. I'm not one to really believe the claims of much of the history written.
"bibles were written in 15 century AD" Actually Scriptures were pened before Christ came, not the NT, but the OT was.
"Jesus is character of church literature" Depends on which "jesus" you are talking about, but you are half true there.
0:07
The Vatican is literally invisible due to the dot of the letter "i" in the subtitles
Literally? Sorry but do you speak English?
You can move and change the size of subtitles
as a catholic, thank you for allowing me to talk to my grandparents properly
The pope is also the vicar of Christ, one of the most sublime offices one could ever receive.
And who are you to order people around?
@@tonderaimlambo1606 👍👏👏
Im studying italian culture and european history in italy for a month. Today we had a 3 hour class about the history and inner workings of the vatican and the holy see. This video taught me more than that class.
So many haters always hating on Catholics yet we're always the ones that are falsely called haters..
Wait.... They do? XD never heard of it @7@
The Catholic Church seems to be one of the, if not the, most open and accepting religious groups that I know. It's the loonies like the Westboro Baptists that give Christianity a bad name.
+Josh Adams Doesn't the Catholic Church treat women in a very unaccepting manner though?
+TheStickCoverBand No that is the Westboro Baptists... the only thing catholics women need to do is just wear headscarf while praying in the church
+improfision They don't even have to do that anymore where I live
I really hope that the border to the Vatican says:
Vatican City
Because: Mussolini
@V R S fuck off
@V R S Little indian boy creates Vatican Radio app, from India ? So you basically created a pirate radio of an absolute monarchy state ?
Israel:
Because: hitler
I’ve been here, it’s beautiful.... did you know they have Mass underground in the catacombs? If you do and know why, you know your history!
the catacombs are to house the dead and as a safe place. As no upstanding person would attack a church and if they did, why the catacombs. Even though attacking a village was commonplace, desecration was a huge fucking deal.
ok
Look into how the co-heads of state of the tiny mountain nation of Andorra are chosen...
The spanish co-heads (Co-prince) of Andorra is the Bishop of Urgell, not The Pope. The french co-prince is President of French Republic.
***** Whatever bishop is appoint by the Pope. But the pope is not co-prince of Andorra. The President of French Republic is elected by french citizens. The Andorrians are not elect their co-princes.
I won my first ever civ 4 game by this method. Not because of my population, but because of all the religion across the globe. No one started wars or bullied me because they all followed religions I founded and spread. I ended up being voted into the UN and elected leader because of this, thus getting the diplomatic victory.
+EsailiaLightheart Or just play as Greece or Rome and invade everyone possible,or play as Russia and colonize the entire globe
Now you need to play EU4 and gain control of the Holy See.
EsailiaLightheart religions aren't the problem. it people who do things differently then what they are used to is what starts wars. you can take all faiths out and you will still have wars.
Pecu Alex shiet she woke as she posted this 2 yrs ago
sooo...christianity is run by a fancy chair
+josephina Strano ...full of farts. Holy shit.
yep
+josephina Strano *Catholicism
^
+josephina Strano the catholic church is led by the pope. The eastern orthodox church is run by a patriarch. Protestant christians have no ruler and are split into several denominations (baptist, evangelist, nazarene, etc).
It's not like as an Italian kid I've been taught this story like a hundred times and yet I'm here
It might have been worth noting that the Italian move against the Papal States was part of their unification, as opposed to just implying the modern Kingdom of Italy had always existed on both sides and had just decided to eliminate the Papal States stuck in their middle.
Given the weird rules with the holy see, isn't vatican city a corporotocracy then?
Blaster of Gasters, Defender of The Shitposter Not at all. The Pope is still king.
manheap12 But the holy see technically appoints the king, and the holy see is a corporation...so...
Blaster of Gasters, Defender of The Shitposter it's not a corporation, he just called it that to make it easier to understand
The Holy See is a religious episcopy, not a corporation
In USA states elect president, not people. Jet it is not statocracy, it's just bad way of democracy.
This is so nice to know! I lived in Roma,Italy for three years and all the memories are coming back. I always wondered about the Vatican City after being there myself, now I know!
This was an insightful video because I’m reading Angels and Demons by Dan Brown and The Vatican City and it’s descriptive whereabouts appears to be very important in this book and this video helped a lot since I have no real knowledge of the Vatican except the basics (Pope, city of holiness etc). Thanks!
Primitive af.
When I went to Italy, one of my goals was to take the same photo at 1:55 and I actually did!
Wait, so 'The Holy See', is an embodiment of all of their rules?
.... you know suddenly things make a lot of sense.
+EmpressWolf Essentially. It's the Pope's throne.
+EmpressWolf In other monarchies, they use the term, "The Crown".
Soooo, what if someone was to destroy the holy see? I'm curious now.
+Sabaca 1.2 billion sheep would lose their way.
+driveman
Beat me to it!
+Ryan O'Farrel Get up early enough, you get a lot done. Have a nice day!
Build another? Why?
Don't give isis ideas destroy that seat a untold horror will emerge it was for told 👹
Your videos are going to get REAL interesting in a few years when you revisit the Vatican City and the City of London (in London City). REAL interesting.
If i was the pope king dude i would take advantage of it and build a fucking parking garage.
hahahaha I wish!!
The Pope has greater issues on his mind, like holy law and new stained-glass windows.
Yes,and while he's at it he can sell tax free cigarettes and open up a casino.
Lol! Are there even any space left in the Vatican to build a garage. Maybe an underground garage but who knows what's underneath the Vatican.
My Swiss Guards. I shall take ye to a holy Crusde to take back the holy lands for more parking space. Deus Vult!
"Sovereign Corporate Headquarters" sounds like a good starting point for a dystopic sci-fi novel
Isn't the whole "king and pope at the same time" ordeal the same in england? because by rule the king of england is also the head of the anglican church, no?
the Queen is not an absolute monarch
I mean, I guess, except it isn't an absolute monarch because... queen
I suppose so
Oh shit
@@stayhydrated2371 Freddy Mercury's Magna Carta is a masterpiece.
If you can't find the title "King of Vatican City" anywhere, it's because his official title is "Sovereign", which basically means king.
4:15 "Give me Wizard Island. Oregon doesn't need it"
Being from Oregon made me crack up. 2 fold since I've been to crater lake many times...
I have been to crater lake many times, i live about a two hour drive away, in medford.
Humanity, the only species that can allow an inanimate object to have the highest power in their society and still be successful.
That chair is probably better at Tetris than most people.
You mean like the British Crown?
+Sirholyphoenix
those are exactly why we are successful as a species though. instead of having every person do whatever he wants, regardless of its consequences for the rest of the society, we have instead created a set of ideals that everyone is expected to adhere to, which greatly benefits the society by preventing most of the "unreliable" members of the society from going on random killing/ robbing sprees either through social pressure or through the use of force (law enforcement). these inanimate objects serve as a reminder to (ideally) every member of the society to the core principles the society was founded upon.
It also makes Vatican City the only absolute monarchy in Europe. And even if Vatican City is not a European member, it has the right to use their currency, the "Euro".
Inb4 Swaziland, the UAE, Oman, Qatar, Brunei, and Saudi Arabia.
Though, the Vat is one of two Theocracy's left. The other being Iran.
Antony Van Cleave "In Europe"
Antony Van Cleave the americans was found way before the 1800's
Lance Paitsel America is half the world?
We are talking about country government. The United Kingdom Monarchy has very little power to the country therefore its a constitutional monarchy not an absolute monarchy.
Love how you used crater lake's wizard island volcano in your analogy
In reality, Mussolini treated with the pope because, in 1870, Italy occupied Rome because She wanted Rome as capital city and destroyed Papal State. Then, the pope said all Christians that they can't take part in italian policy, and most of them lsiten him.
After 50 years, Mussolini decided to solve this problem and, with the pope, he signed Lateran Pact (Patti Lateranensi in italian).
And with this pact, Vatican City borned, like you said :)
(sorry for my english, I'm italian, and this is why i'm so informed about this argument :P)
3:22 Lichtenstein is an absolute monarchy, kings holds the power to veto anything/stop discussion of anything.
I don't care, the holy sea is a chair, a chair gives people passports.
+Aconserva jones It's "Holy See", not "Sea".
+AJZulu there should be a Holy Sea as well
its should be called Holy Shit
+Aconserva jones Your avatar must be "Holy Cow"
+Qarnatics Cuhz *See
1:19 Have anyone else noticed that the headline "Italy to Pope" is upside down on the backside of the paper
"This map is wildly over-simplified but trust me, you really don't want to know" (0:38)So tell me why I have to study all this mess and names and events?Next time I'll write this on my History test. Thanks CGP Grey.
good idea:))
I'll say the holy sea is a company... And therefore I want to make a company to make my own passports to travel to wherever I want as whoever I want therefore I can easily escape a man hunt for me
In order to do that, first you'll need to buy land and the rights of sovereignty to that land, assuming you can find an existing nation willing to sell it.
Patterned Pike
Or conquer a random island somewhere, construct an evil lair, hire henchmen, laugh maniacally a couple of times, and stroke a white cat. Congratulations, you are now the proud owner of a small country and a supervillain! I'd recommend ducking right now, as the sound your hearing is the rushing wind accompanying that meddling hero's abdominal muscles.
You should really look at the Pope's tiara it's amazing.
+paul lima other than IT being designed for a rabbit ... no, not really.
When u know of the Papal State's existence because u played Medieval: Total War
2:20 There's a king tho?
europa universalis iv for me
ck2
just history, man! the essential reason italy had to wait 'til the 19th to become a country!
I love the Fish Friday at 2:51
Is nearly 20 years that i live in rome, i was born in rome, i've studied all the history behind my contry and still doesn't undestrand vatican city and it's law, statute and so on. Indeed is a good looking city, with lots of history and art behind. If you'll ever have the possibility to come to Rome, take some time to visit vatican city, lefting behind all the problems that the religion and the city itself have.
I'm confused about the Catholic teachings sometimes there teachings are contradict to the holy Bible 😥
2:40 Game of Thrones reference :D
That's where I spat my drink-
The pope’s “throne” is actually at St. John Lateran not St. Peter’s
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throne
Could you maybe possibly do a video explaining the history of the papal states and its neighbors in brief?
Everything is correct in the video, but I think you're making the whole "the Pope and the King are the same person" deal way more mind-blowing than it needs to be, considering Popes have been kings for like 1200 years more or less.
Also keeping calling the Holy See a corporation is not a really good idea, because the HS is more of a political entity since way before Mussolini.
About Mussolini: the part about the Pope not messing in Italian war affairs has nothing to do with Hitler but more with the Pope always meddled in the political debate in Italy. Mussolini was trying to get rid of a really influential political adversary.
0:22 you've no idea how long it took me to realize that the grey bits on the map (the bits that look more like water than brown) were land and that the brown was water.
This analogy of the Holy See to a corporation is really, really weird. The vast majority of legal scholars, from what I've seen, make the analogy to a state with Vatican City as sovereign territory(which is also still its own city state), and with absolute state ownership of property. CGP Grey is the only person I see anywhere arguing that it's a corporate structure as opposed to a state structure.
perhaps because states are also corporations?
Look up the definition of the word "analogy".
Technically, the pope is not a king. While Vatican City is a monarchy, it’s not a kingdom. The Vatican constitution simply says the pope is “sovereign” of Vatican City. It would be like calling the grand Duke of Luxembourg a “king.”
How is this hard to keep strait? It's soooo easy to understand for me.
its really hard to take you seriously if you cant even spell straight correctly
fallout560 I have dyslexia and attend a well respected University and speak 3 languages not counting Latin. So it's really hard to take you seriously when you have to point out simple weaknesses like English spelling. Let me ask you something? If we were face to face and I were in a wheel chair would you feel the need point that out too?
***** Well, you must have enough to comment. rofl
CabezonGOW No, are you?
this was explained well in this video. now imagine if someone who only half understood what was going on tried to explain it to you. or someone who had the wrong idea of what was going on. or even if a pr guy was trying to explain it.
My head hurts.
Is it just me, or does this whole CEO/monarch thing and citizen/employee thing seem *very* cyberpunk? It doesn't sound like something that a religion would do; it sounds like something that a zaibatsu's corporate arcology would do, if their CEO lived on life support in a vat on a private space station and appeared in public only as a hologram.
Wait... that isn't how the Pope makes appearances?
Religions have to operate in the world. The world has laws, and to continue to operate with any structure, they exist within those laws. If the law would classify a religion as an organization, they do so.
If the only way the Church can operate is by gaining independence as a tiny nation (very odd circumstances...), they make themselves a country, which needs a government.
The religion is still there. But as the world gets more complicated, they have to adapt the structure a bit.
Lucijan Cernelic they existed before that guy. They are just a country because of him, and they only went that route because they and Mussolini didn't get along
Pretty cool analogy. Maybe we can work it like this?
Religion, as most people define it, is just a subset of absolute ideologies. As technology, science, and society begin to exceed the understanding of its individual members, you will see these things become objects of "religion" in a much more general sense. i.e. faith will be necessary to operate even in your daily tasks, as the ability to critically evaluate all the necessary details is beyond the grasp of our meat brains (arguably, this point was reached a long time ago for the general population).
Now, the artificial extensions we might have available to plug into that would give us a neat picture will themselves employ principles beyond our ability to learn, so even "knowing" how everything works via that method will require faith in the infrastructure that designs/builds/maintains it, which is itself a major component of society at large.
So, yeah, pretty interesting stuff.
Actually, the whole concept of a legal corporate person was invented by the Catholic Church. Monks renounce their right to own property, but need a place to live. So monasteries where declared to be "people" who, because they had no souls, could not sin and therefore were not accountable for anything they did. If it sounds weird, remember: technical terms do not equal what they actually are.
Grey; got it?
Me: yes got it the first time but came back cause it’s amusing to me
Gray: No? Well here’s an analogy
Primitive af.
Even though I'm an Atheist, I wish I could be Pope-King of Vatican City.
Saxokamon Italy would never accept it. There would be too much international trouble.
Stocki Does Italy have something to do with it? I am technically Catholic, and a lot of bishops don't actually believe in GOD.
***** Some of them, off the record. They care more about helping people in the Church than following the Bible, though they would never admit it, though some of them have. A lot less in Catholic, but some of them have, more Protestants if anything.
***** Don't be public about it.
You won't even get a citizenship atheist pig!!!!