felt natural to me, it's almost exactly the same light that's behind my screen. maybe a little bit warmer, because my wall has sort of a light blue tint which brings the temp up a bit. certainly way better than the puke-inducing magenta people associate with computers nowadays. i hate that
@@exargyromeno3648 someone mentioned earlier that the Mobo companies are likely doing this because they understand how long the last AMD line up ran. So they're charging much more for them because people are likely only going to buy one of them and then drop an updated CPU in it 4 or 5 years from now if they want an upgrade at all. Because AMD isn't changing their architecture up like Intel is there's no need to buy a new Mobo on CPU refresh so they're charging more for that
@@slavefeet57 Ye besides the price AMD or Intel are taking for there mobo chips, its up to the AIB´s to build the mobo with what ever they want/can... So saying its AMD´s foult that the mobo´s for AM5 is expensive is wrong.. its Asus, Gigabyte etc etc. foult...
@@slavefeet57 this was exactly the reason I just went with AMD AM5. Even though the 13900k is the current gaming king, you almost certainly will have to buy a whole new motherboard if you want to get the next 14th gen Intel. Also, the 7950x isn’t that far behind the 13900k in gaming, but can beat it in some content creation/productivity type apps. If I can get my hands on one at release, I plan on getting a 7950x3D, assuming it’s gaming performance is similar to the 7800x3D, which this time I think it is. According to some gaming benchmarks at 1080p, the 7950x3D was anywhere from 14-25% higher than the 13900k. That says a lot considering how good the 13th gen Intel is in gaming.
This is why I decided to wait till later this year before making the jump over to AM5. Love the new hardware and cheaper options. Thanks guys for your hard work bringing us this coverage!
I bought the Mobo before the GPU's dropped and probably shouldn't have lol. I very easily could have gone with a mobo $100 cheaper with less pcie5 options on it. Oh well I still have a great Mobo I planned on picking up the 7900x3d once I heard they were releasing it I swear I ran around my room cheering lol. There were rumors they were canning the top end of the stack for 6 and 8 core models which really didn't make much sense to me lol glad they didn't
Thanks for the quick informative update Paul and Joe. We know there is A LOT to cover at CES. And you guys seem to give it to us in nice size digestible Nuggets. See if you can't find us something totally off the wall that NO ONE else would cover. 😉
Be interesting to see how much of a difference these 3d caches increases performance (and temperatures), given how well the last 3d one did for gaming. Also interested in Rzyen 7000 mobile
Have fun with the scheduling problems of Windows. Windows doesn't even manage to get PowerCores / Ecores correct all the time. And this is the way lesser challange than with AMDs 7950X3D...
Do you have an idea of the complexity of a scheduler? It has to juggle between cores, multithreadibg, e-Cores, p-Cores, priorities, and now unified L3 cache. I know a great deal about OSs, but the scheduler is a different beast of software.
I have learned that 7950X3D is kind of a hybrid. As it has two CCXs but only one them has V-Cache stacked on top. The one with no V-Cache is able to boost up higher to 5.7GHz. The CCX with V-Cache will probably only be allowed to boost up to 5GHz. And this will result in the lower power consumption compered to the standard 7950
@@ChrisWijtmans Why is it all for nothing ? the 3D V cache enabled CCX gets only 5Ghz or something , the original one gets full 5.7Ghz, pretty significant difference.
@@ChrisWijtmans The CCX with no V-Cache must have something on top to get the correct Z hight. Maybe a scraped V-Cache die. But it is not function, it is only a filler die
@@afre3398 I still think they will more likely cut out a little bit on the IHS so that one can still be used without Issues. Well... without that much Issue... But dunno. The Reason why they did it different on the 5800X3 Variant back then was because they allready had established Platforms, CPUs and Cooler. They could not tell ppll... just buy a new Cooler now or get this other different Motherboard because we will have a different Z Hight. With this thick IHS i was thinking they would think ahead of the Issue but... i am not so sure anymore.
1:04 I missed it too during the event, and i spent an hour trying to figure out how the got the same boost frequency as non3D while having a 120w TDP, at first i thought they were using those 4nm 45HX mobile chiplets, and then it hit me **Look at the cache size** The 7900X and 7950X only have **one chiplet with 3D cache** thats why their boost is so high, the other **chiplet without 3D cache can boost like normal** you get the best of both worlds. If they both had 3D cache they'd have a total of 204-208MB not 140-144MB) The 7800X3D has 3x the L3 cache as the 7700X3D(an extra 64MB) The 7900X3D has 2x the L3 cache of the 7900X(an extra 64MB) My hope is that they offer a 7955X3D with 2 3D Cache chiplets for the people who need that cache for home-lab or production workloads, or they want the stability of having a unified core archetecture. Much like Intel E cores there will be some teething problems with Windows and Linux choosing the correct chiplet. Does your program benefit from 3D cache, or does it not care about the cache and want frequency? Its a 50-50 chance that its going on the wrong chiplet without some advanced thread scheduling
Please do keep in mind: Those 15-25% uplifts are almost *ALL* based on 1080p or lower, deliberate cpu-bottlenecked scenarios. If you're a 144hz+ gamer it should make you happy, but to anyone out there suddenly wondering if their 5900x-ish rigs are turning obsolete already: *No.*
thats literally what the slides say: 1080p. But GPUs are approaching levels (4090) where 1440p and sometimes insanely even 4k can be CPU limited so these CPUs are timely for the future.
While I agree to a point, everyone does CPU testing at 1080p. Can't blame AMD for that. It's industry standard. Personally I would like to see 1440p too. Why they don't is because there will be almost no difference.
*IMPORTANT*: The 79X0X3D uses two different CCD's. One with 3D-VCache, one without - hence the asymetric cache size and surprisingly high boost clockspeed.
One of these cpu's, im thinking the mid range one 79003d is going to be apart of my next pc. Hopefully for another glorious 8 years like my current pc.
So do the x3d chips have advantage over non x3d chips? Just trying to decide on getting a 7950x or wait until 7950x3d ? What would theoretically be the difference in everyday use?
I just won a Sakura Edition NR200P on FeEbay, and am excited to build in it, thank you for the insightful knowledge into what is coming to us shortly. I have been investing time into looking for what to opt into using for my build for the coming years lol.
I don’t see how any of this matters for just gaming desktops; ryxen 7 non 3d is all that is needed for thr best gaming performance! Ryzen 9 series are really designed for more than gaming single threads, that multithreaded tasks hence the big price increase!
I am waiting for at least another 3 years before I do another build. I am already on a Zen 3 5900X paired with an XFX 6800XT I game at 4K, My rig is fully tuned and I get a great experience for now.. I just like a lot of people don't mind being a couple Gen's behind.. I am still going to wait even though that new Zen4 Vache looks like it's going to jump Intel again. I'm still going to wait.. There isn't anything I can't push close to or way over even at a 100FPS if I play with the settings and can still keep them at high even on the 4 games that give AMD trouble.. And honestly I have an older cheap 4K monitor that's only 60Hz so I turn freesync on and let it do it's thing.. If anything I need an new 4K monitor, But I want good HDR too for Movies and it is super hard to find a good 32" monitor really.. And The OLED Tv's are Huge.. And 28" is to small so IDK..
Sad that nothing on Ryzen APU's for Desktop was announced, as a lot of people are waiting for them, since they are either going to be based on RDNA2 or RDNA3, which would allow people who can't afford a dedicated GPU to have some decent gaming option.
@@bpcgos That's only 2 GPU Cores (based on old Radeon graphics), no way anyone would be able to play games with them properly. Plus AMD already confirmed that the iGPU's in 7000 Series CPU's are for troubleshooting, and they do plan to eventually release new Desktop APU's (like 5600G or 5700G) in the future which are more gaming optimized.
@Sup D I was gaming on my spectre x360 with gta v at 32fps. Desktops could easily beat that. Us poor folks are playing older titles anyway but either way an older cheaper cpu with an old gpu is far better than any apu
@@andrewk8636 Problem is, buying an old GPU is hard, if there isn't a good Used Market in locality (like for me) and buying them new isn't always feasible. And while i agree that any older cheaper CPU with an old GPU would be better than current best APU's (aka., 5600G or 5700G). But that might change when next gen Ryzen APU's based on RDNA2 or RDNA3 are released. As they would perform as well as any old GPU, while being based on newer architecture.
@Sup D market can definitely be different for sure but I still doubt a new apu can outperform my rx480 with 8gb v ram. Certainly not outperforming a gtx 1080. I'm sure we're not far from the days that does happen byt we're not quite there yet
I thought the stacked cache was finicky with heat, and why the tdp is down from non models as well as the same for each cached (that a word?!) models. Maybe I’m high,… as now I’m stuck on saying cached over and over in my head.
The lower TDP is because the chip has 2x CCDs, where only 1 is stacked. The stacked CCD doesn't boost as high as the non-stacked CCD. This is the case on 7900X3D and 7950X3D, but on 7800X3D there is only 1 active CCD which is stacked. And that's why the 7800X3D "only" boosts to 5.0 GHz.
@@Traumatree Well, that's what AMD said in the PCWorld interview. 7900X3D and 7950X3D has one stacked, one non-stacked CCD. The non-stacked one boosts higher and is the same as in the non-X3D CPUs.
I’m still unsure which 7000x3d cpu to go with. I’d like to have the best of both worlds 7950x3d, but I’d like to see which of the 3 x3d processors will be better in gaming. If there is a small difference between the 7800x3d and the 7950x3d, I’ll get the 16 core variant as it’s a lot snappier in windows 11 than the 8 core variants. Plus it has the highest boost clock.
7800X3D boost clock is disappointing. like they didn't bin it maybe, like they do for the 2nd CCD on Ryzen 9s. I hope it higher than advertised, I don't want/need 2 CCDs.
If you want to have 3d cache, it means lower boos clocks. Same with 7950x3d, also in that the chiplet that has 3dcache does clock lower than the other that does not havce 3d cache!
The 7950X3D is a hybrid chip. Only 8 of the 16 cores will run at the full 5.7ghz, and the other 8 get the cache with the lower clocks. That wasn't apparent in the slides, but there are some other interviews with AMD where they discussed this.
Ryzen 9 is not boosting that high on the 3D-cached CCD. The marketing is misleading. The CCD without the 3D-cache boosts high, but the 3D-cached CCD will probably perform worse than the 7800X3D because of the added heatload from the CCD next to it.
@@innocentiuslacrim2290 I'm not so sure about that. I think a lot of people that will buy these chips (7900/7950X3D) are those that want the best of both worlds. If you're gaming, the non 3d CCD would be mostly dormant. So there wouldn't be much of a heat issue. I'm more curious about the non-gaming scenario.
They are every time they release a new generation of CPUs, until Intel releases their new generation. It's gone back and forth like that for years now.
@@brettcombs774 That's my point. The 7950X3D will be the top CPU for a while, until Intel comes out with whatever the successor to the 13900K will be. Then it will be AMD's turn to pass them up again.
Just what is it worth to make your favourite games look and run better? Well some of us have financial responsibilities. There might be upgraders selling off their gear at sensible prices.
Good lord, my current 5950x system is so good, but I have to admit my Eyeballs are Bulging over a newer Zen 4 core that almost hits 6Ghz at stock (5.85 I believe), has DDR5 RAM and Also 3D V-Cache.. Ok,.. now I just can't stop myself from drooling.. Omg I XXXXin Need It!! Give it to me NOW 💯
@@user-pq4by2rq9y not in terms of their GPUs…..the tuf, tuf OC are great cards and only 100$-200$ less than the strix cards on the 4090. I went with the tuf oc 4090 because the strix aesthetic was horrendous
I wouldn't be surprised if AMD were to drop the prices on their previously released 7950X, 7900X, 7800X and just price the 3D V Cache variants either at the price the regular ones were at or slightly lower. That would probably make the most sense to me.
They can not. Just see what non x versions are gonna cost. The current price of x version is too low, so they put x version closer to their original MSRP to make room to non x versions. That means that 3d cache versions are gonna be about $150 above the x versions, like the 5800x3d is above normal 5800x. If non x version MSRP would have been lower than in this slide, then it could be possible. No it is not.
@@haukikannel I think steve from GN said hypothetically with non x being only slightly cheaper than the x versions at the moment while the sales are on its not out of the realm of possible they will bring the x versions in that middle range price between the non x and their original price then ship the x3d versions at or around the original price of the 7000series.. i just snapped today up the 7600x at $90aud off the original price because when the non x versions come they will go back up ( being as im waiting on the 3d cpus and impatiently waiting to build my AM5 system i thought its a good idea to snap up a 7600x then sell it for slightly cheaper than the non x in a month or so ) most likely not to their original price but they will jump up !!
Screw just gaming, these will be the best CPU's period. Unless these are double the price of regular Zen4, these will be the most economical option from a cost per thread stand point. Need more than 32 threads? just build another system and spread the load across them with linux.
I think you're being optimistic. The X3D processors we know have cores ('CCD') which are stacked (x3d cache) and a conventional unstacked core. Stacked cores do not boost it's clock so getting leading edge business application performance and even gaming performance is going to be up to the amount of dedicated thread optimisations.
@@dtrjones At this point the clocks are not even that relevant. The cores share that 3d cache on the one core and that is the primary benefit. Even the base clocks of these chips far exceed the threadripper and epyc counterparts with the addition of more cache. Not to mention at a much reduced cost per core.
These are meh -products and launched (again) with deceptive marketing. 3D cache available only on one CCD on the 2-ccd CPUs and the CCD with 3D-cache is again very frequency limited. Raptor Lake is better (and I am writing this on my 5950X platform).
@@luisaazul Why would Threadripper with this be "scary". For what purpose? 5800X3D is already a poor productivity chip and Threadripper is productivity platform. How would it benefit from this? Do you actually have a point or are you just talking about stuff that you do not understand?
I want to build a new gaming rig so bad, but I'm going AM5 and they keep coming out with new stuff that I want, so I'm having to postpone the build, lmao. Hopefully once these CPUs come out I can start to get the build together. I'm still trying to decide on a case, though. I know what case I wanted originally, but I refuse to pay reseller prices now that it's discontinued (Phanteks Evolv X, in silver). I'm probably gonna go with the Phanteks P600S since it's essentially the same interior with a different front and top panel, as well as a solid color-matched rear panel (which the Evolv X should've had; I will never understand the point of having a tempered glass back panel. Like why would you want to be able to see the cable management area? It's just dumb.
i dont trust AMD % anymore, lmao, it is a given that it'll be better but they lied to everyone about the xtx which i bought into (my xtx is fine, no thermal issues). unforgiveable for the foreseeable future, gonna go intel and nvidia on the cheap as in one gen behind upgrades if the price are reasonable
This is pretty common for AMD. They overhype and underdeliver almost everything and have for years. I am glad they are actually competing though. The problem comes when they engineer stuff on purpose to look like its advanced but then make it unsafe, like when they touted the RX480 as only needing 1 power connector (implying it was super efficient) and had it overdraw through the pci-e lanes out of spec and melt peoples motherboards. The XTX cooler issue reeks of the same crap to me. "Nvidia's cards are huge, lets make a super small one to show our cards are more advanced." Except they made the cooler a bit too small and now it has problems if not perfectly made/calibrated, apparently. To be fair Nvidia also did this with their stupid 12vhwpr connector that should have been engineered to be bigger. When you push the engineering so close to its limits it increases the chance of critical failures.
if we looked at the previous cpu ryzen 7 5800x3d, it was out performing a lot of more expensive cpus because of its cache. since we know this, it will be stronger cause of this. but depending on what you're doing it will either highly benefit you or you won't really need the extra cache. example for me since I do vr and I need that extra cache, it will highly benefit me.
Hey peeps. Is this correct or am i missing something. 7950x3d - ccd 8/16 ccd 8/16x3d 7900x3d - ccd 6/12 ccd 6/12x3d 7800x3d - ccd 8/16x3d 5800x3d - ccd 8/16x3d Does that mean the 7900x3d is at a disadvantage in gaming compared to the 8 core ccd counterparts? Will it basically run like a "7600x3d". Thoughts?
Could you guys give your opinion: ASRock X670E Taichi Carrara vs Crosshair X670E Extreme? Build will be *CPU* 7950X3D. *GPU* RTX 4090. *PSU* Dark Power 13 1000W. Heavy GPU usage for AI video rendering and gaming
If what we are speculating is true for the 7950x3D, $800 for the 16 Core 32 Thread. ($885 after tax) Should’ve I just waited till February? I just bought the 7950x 16core 32 thread for $604 on sale….. If AMDs statement is true about it being 29% faster than the Intel Core i9-13900k, I would say the 7950x3D will be about 33-35% faster for about $300 more. Is thats worth it, sure kinda. I am a 3D Graphic Designer/Animator. I already dropped $2800 on all the parts for my own build including the 7900xtx. Should I just wait??
AMD was doing okay on their benchmarks for a couple years, until RDNA3. Just as I was starting to slightly trust their in-house benchmarks they messed it all up. I am back to ignoring it again. Looking forward to reviews.
yesterday, I found that my job, my game not reach minimum performance of my hardward - 2k, 144hz. We are obsessed about hardward and its advertisement.
I have some fuzzy memory of the 5800X3D being slightly inferior to the 5800X in *productivity applications*? Was the issue latency? Why was that? Will we face the same issue with the 7950X3D vs the 7950X?
Yes, but in less degree. 7950 has two chiplets. One is normal and one has 3d cache. The 3d cache version is better in gaming and normal il better in productivity.
The R9 7900 seems like a deal. Low TDP and a free cooler that doesn't suck. Slightly lower clock speeds but that makes no difference in the real world.
I just got the 7950x 16 Core…….If what we are speculating is true for the 7950x3D, $800-$850 for the 16 Core 32 Thread. ($885-$935 after tax) Should’ve I just waited till February? I just bought the 7950x 16core 32 thread for $604 on sale….. If AMDs statement is true about it being 29% faster than the Intel Core i9-13900k, I would say the 7950x3D will be about 33-35% than what I currently bought. Pretty much faster for about $300-350 more. Shouldve I just waited till FEB. I am a Graphic Designer….
I really wish instead they would focus on continued Windows 7 support and coming up with a future proof socket and motherboard that would last you 10-15 years. The consumers want something else entirely different from what these companies are doing0 focusing on gaming when is a complete waste of time.. and I'm an ex gams developer and programmer :-/
7800x3D is gonna flop, 7900x3D+7950x3D probably will do better. Unless the 3d Chiplet is limited to 5 ghz, while the non chiplet is the one boosting to 5.7 ghz, if thats how it actually is that is something they should make VERY clear, then it wont matter much.
disappointed by the 7800x3d boost clock. I think the ryzen 9s have only 1 ccd with vcache, and also probably 5ghz, while the other one without extra cache can actually boost higher. thus they can market the best specs, but in actuality another layer of misleading complexity
Pc world interview with AMDs Scott Stankard all but confirms that it's only the non vcache ccd that'll boost to 5.7GHz. They have enabled curve optimiser so there's scope to boost the frequency of the Vcache CCD from stock, which is likely around that 5GHz mark. So unlike the 5800X3D these aren't completely locked CPU's though he did say that you won't get much from PBO.
The 7800X3D should be the best choice for a gaming rig though. It will be the cheapest X3D option with only one CCD. If 7900X3D and 7950X3D have only one chiplet with VCache, that one would also only boost to 5GHz and and provide only 8 cores with VCache... It'll be interesting to see if they will get the scheduling right so that games are using the cores on the chiplet with VCache.
i don't think these will be as drastic improvement as the 5800x3d was because they're not nearly as bandwidth starved as am4 was at the end of its life.
Definitely want the 7950x3d. I am curious though, with cache on 1 ccd, how windows will schedule for gaming. Normally I use process lasso to set cpu affinity. I'm sure there will be deep dives on it
Windows doesn't even manage to get Power-Cores and E-Cores correctly 100% of the time. And compared to AMDs challenge this is way easier. It will work some times - and on others it wont. Personally I think it is way too much of a gamble to be worth buying a 7950X3D.
I actually really like the warm lighting in the video. It feels like a cozy chat after the show 😊
raytraced lamplighting
felt natural to me, it's almost exactly the same light that's behind my screen. maybe a little bit warmer, because my wall has sort of a light blue tint which brings the temp up a bit.
certainly way better than the puke-inducing magenta people associate with computers nowadays. i hate that
Thank you Paul and Joe!! It is nice to see AMD reading the room and adjusting their prices.
I don’t think anyone had a problem with the price of AM5 CPUs, it’s the motherboards that are prohibitively expensive
Absolutely. Paying $250 for the 7600x was a no brainer for an updated, but about $400 for like the highest end B650e was just…wow.
@@exargyromeno3648 someone mentioned earlier that the Mobo companies are likely doing this because they understand how long the last AMD line up ran. So they're charging much more for them because people are likely only going to buy one of them and then drop an updated CPU in it 4 or 5 years from now if they want an upgrade at all. Because AMD isn't changing their architecture up like Intel is there's no need to buy a new Mobo on CPU refresh so they're charging more for that
@@slavefeet57 Ye besides the price AMD or Intel are taking for there mobo chips, its up to the AIB´s to build the mobo with what ever they want/can... So saying its AMD´s foult that the mobo´s for AM5 is expensive is wrong.. its Asus, Gigabyte etc etc. foult...
they also all come with WiFi which not everybody needs, but you have to pay for
@@slavefeet57 this was exactly the reason I just went with AMD AM5. Even though the 13900k is the current gaming king, you almost certainly will have to buy a whole new motherboard if you want to get the next 14th gen Intel. Also, the 7950x isn’t that far behind the 13900k in gaming, but can beat it in some content creation/productivity type apps. If I can get my hands on one at release, I plan on getting a 7950x3D, assuming it’s gaming performance is similar to the 7800x3D, which this time I think it is. According to some gaming benchmarks at 1080p, the 7950x3D was anywhere from 14-25% higher than the 13900k. That says a lot considering how good the 13th gen Intel is in gaming.
This is why I decided to wait till later this year before making the jump over to AM5. Love the new hardware and cheaper options. Thanks guys for your hard work bringing us this coverage!
I bought the Mobo before the GPU's dropped and probably shouldn't have lol. I very easily could have gone with a mobo $100 cheaper with less pcie5 options on it. Oh well I still have a great Mobo I planned on picking up the 7900x3d once I heard they were releasing it I swear I ran around my room cheering lol. There were rumors they were canning the top end of the stack for 6 and 8 core models which really didn't make much sense to me lol glad they didn't
Thanks for the quick informative update Paul and Joe. We know there is A LOT to cover at CES. And you guys seem to give it to us in nice size digestible Nuggets.
See if you can't find us something totally off the wall that NO ONE else would cover. 😉
I remember my first PC back in the 90s having 128MB of RAM... these CPUS have MORE than that in CACHE.
The future is now, old man.
I had a 466mhz celeron with 32 mb. It did have 128kb of cache though. Don't mess around with that 66mhz front side bus.
Yep, cache is king
👀@ my Atari Falcon
< Says he had a PC in the '90s.
< Gets called old.
< Me being born in 91 feeling like an old man now. 😭
Be interesting to see how much of a difference these 3d caches increases performance (and temperatures), given how well the last 3d one did for gaming. Also interested in Rzyen 7000 mobile
Moore's law is dead has covered some leaks about their performance and it matches up with what AMD is claiming.
I'm just here to see what I won't be able to get because REASONS...
R€A$ON$
@@610jrod Glad to see the South African Rand represented 😂👌
Recession
I got a raise, perfect timing for me.
7950x3d is gonna be my new upgrade. Been waiting on these.
same ill slap the 7950x3d in and sit on it for a few years !!
@@volvot6rdesignawd702 definitely, I've had my i9 9900k for a minute but these I'll upgrade for.
Have fun with the scheduling problems of Windows.
Windows doesn't even manage to get PowerCores / Ecores correct all the time.
And this is the way lesser challange than with AMDs 7950X3D...
Do you have an idea of the complexity of a scheduler? It has to juggle between cores, multithreadibg, e-Cores, p-Cores, priorities, and now unified L3 cache. I know a great deal about OSs, but the scheduler is a different beast of software.
@@samlebon9884 maybe that is why feb release ..
I have learned that 7950X3D is kind of a hybrid. As it has two CCXs but only one them has V-Cache stacked on top. The one with no V-Cache is able to boost up higher to 5.7GHz. The CCX with V-Cache will probably only be allowed to boost up to 5GHz. And this will result in the lower power consumption compered to the standard 7950
the other CCX can boost higher but its all for nothing because of the extra Z height.
@@ChrisWijtmans Why is it all for nothing ? the 3D V cache enabled CCX gets only 5Ghz or something , the original one gets full 5.7Ghz, pretty significant difference.
@@ChrisWijtmans The CCX with no V-Cache must have something on top to get the correct Z hight. Maybe a scraped V-Cache die. But it is not function, it is only a filler die
@@afre3398 I still think they will more likely cut out a little bit on the IHS so that one can still be used without Issues.
Well... without that much Issue... But dunno.
The Reason why they did it different on the 5800X3 Variant back then was because they allready had established Platforms, CPUs and Cooler. They could not tell ppll... just buy a new Cooler now or get this other different Motherboard because we will have a different Z Hight.
With this thick IHS i was thinking they would think ahead of the Issue but... i am not so sure anymore.
@@flimermithrandir Perhaps a job for Der8auer. This is kind of his field
and I just bought a 7950x - great...... Thanks for all your hard work!!
1:04 I missed it too during the event, and i spent an hour trying to figure out how the got the same boost frequency as non3D while having a 120w TDP, at first i thought they were using those 4nm 45HX mobile chiplets, and then it hit me
**Look at the cache size**
The 7900X and 7950X only have **one chiplet with 3D cache** thats why their boost is so high, the other **chiplet without 3D cache can boost like normal** you get the best of both worlds.
If they both had 3D cache they'd have a total of 204-208MB not 140-144MB)
The 7800X3D has 3x the L3 cache as the 7700X3D(an extra 64MB)
The 7900X3D has 2x the L3 cache of the 7900X(an extra 64MB)
My hope is that they offer a 7955X3D with 2 3D Cache chiplets for the people who need that cache for home-lab or production workloads, or they want the stability of having a unified core archetecture.
Much like Intel E cores there will be some teething problems with Windows and Linux choosing the correct chiplet.
Does your program benefit from 3D cache, or does it not care about the cache and want frequency?
Its a 50-50 chance that its going on the wrong chiplet without some advanced thread scheduling
Which can lead to inconsistent performance. Not sure if the added complexicity is worth it.
I'm loving Paul's hotel-setup - really cosy and well balanced!
And here I am watching this with my beast of a system
MSI B350 Tomahawk
Ryzen 5 1600
Gtx1050ti
Please do keep in mind: Those 15-25% uplifts are almost *ALL* based on 1080p or lower, deliberate cpu-bottlenecked scenarios. If you're a 144hz+ gamer it should make you happy, but to anyone out there suddenly wondering if their 5900x-ish rigs are turning obsolete already:
*No.*
For a new gamer it might make sense getting onto AM5, but my Ryzen 5500 is gonna be enough for ages. The actual bottleneck is unaffordable GPU's
Key word being "keep"
@@brokeandtired 5500 should get a solid frame each 150th of a second for a long time
thats literally what the slides say: 1080p. But GPUs are approaching levels (4090) where 1440p and sometimes insanely even 4k can be CPU limited so these CPUs are timely for the future.
While I agree to a point, everyone does CPU testing at 1080p. Can't blame AMD for that. It's industry standard. Personally I would like to see 1440p too. Why they don't is because there will be almost no difference.
So weird seeing you upload at this hour, Paul. A pleasant surprise for me as it is my afternoon coffee break. Cheers ☕
*IMPORTANT*: The 79X0X3D uses two different CCD's. One with 3D-VCache, one without - hence the asymetric cache size and surprisingly high boost clockspeed.
Indeed and the CCD with 3D-cache only boosts to around 5GHz so the improvement from Zen 3 is marginal (IPC only).
One of these cpu's, im thinking the mid range one 79003d is going to be apart of my next pc. Hopefully for another glorious 8 years like my current pc.
So do the x3d chips have advantage over non x3d chips? Just trying to decide on getting a 7950x or wait until 7950x3d ? What would theoretically be the difference in everyday use?
AFAIK the 5800X3D was basically the same as the 5800X in everyday tasks, but it's significantly faster in gaming
Gaming performance should be alot better but due to lower clocks, the general use stuff will be slightly worse off
I just won a Sakura Edition NR200P on FeEbay, and am excited to build in it, thank you for the insightful knowledge into what is coming to us shortly. I have been investing time into looking for what to opt into using for my build for the coming years lol.
This is it! No more i5 2500k for me! Time to upgrade baby!
Glad these showed up early this time,
So here's my question, how does the 7950x3d compare to the non 3d version for pure productivity, since I'm close building a new AM5 platform for work.
Probably just slightly better. Cost wise you’re better just getting the straight 7950x.
7900 for 429$ amazing value... and with a respectable cooler.
I don’t see how any of this matters for just gaming desktops; ryxen 7 non 3d is all that is needed for thr best gaming performance! Ryzen 9 series are really designed for more than gaming single threads, that multithreaded tasks hence the big price increase!
Looking forward to X3D pricing...and benchmarks.
my guess is 700-750 for the 7950x3d
I am waiting for at least another 3 years before I do another build. I am already on a Zen 3 5900X paired with an XFX 6800XT I game at 4K, My rig is fully tuned and I get a great experience for now.. I just like a lot of people don't mind being a couple Gen's behind.. I am still going to wait even though that new Zen4 Vache looks like it's going to jump Intel again. I'm still going to wait.. There isn't anything I can't push close to or way over even at a 100FPS if I play with the settings and can still keep them at high even on the 4 games that give AMD trouble.. And honestly I have an older cheap 4K monitor that's only 60Hz so I turn freesync on and let it do it's thing.. If anything I need an new 4K monitor, But I want good HDR too for Movies and it is super hard to find a good 32" monitor really.. And The OLED Tv's are Huge.. And 28" is to small so IDK..
Sad that nothing on Ryzen APU's for Desktop was announced, as a lot of people are waiting for them, since they are either going to be based on RDNA2 or RDNA3, which would allow people who can't afford a dedicated GPU to have some decent gaming option.
All of 7xxx series have integrated GPU afaik . So an APU probably didnt needed anymore.
@@bpcgos That's only 2 GPU Cores (based on old Radeon graphics), no way anyone would be able to play games with them properly.
Plus AMD already confirmed that the iGPU's in 7000 Series CPU's are for troubleshooting, and they do plan to eventually release new Desktop APU's (like 5600G or 5700G) in the future which are more gaming optimized.
@Sup D I was gaming on my spectre x360 with gta v at 32fps. Desktops could easily beat that. Us poor folks are playing older titles anyway but either way an older cheaper cpu with an old gpu is far better than any apu
@@andrewk8636 Problem is, buying an old GPU is hard, if there isn't a good Used Market in locality (like for me) and buying them new isn't always feasible.
And while i agree that any older cheaper CPU with an old GPU would be better than current best APU's (aka., 5600G or 5700G).
But that might change when next gen Ryzen APU's based on RDNA2 or RDNA3 are released.
As they would perform as well as any old GPU, while being based on newer architecture.
@Sup D market can definitely be different for sure but I still doubt a new apu can outperform my rx480 with 8gb v ram. Certainly not outperforming a gtx 1080. I'm sure we're not far from the days that does happen byt we're not quite there yet
I thought the stacked cache was finicky with heat, and why the tdp is down from non models as well as the same for each cached (that a word?!) models. Maybe I’m high,… as now I’m stuck on saying cached over and over in my head.
the 70003DX using 4K display is that I'd like to see the benchmarks
Wow... QUAD SPONSORS? That's nice bro
The lower TDP is because the chip has 2x CCDs, where only 1 is stacked. The stacked CCD doesn't boost as high as the non-stacked CCD. This is the case on 7900X3D and 7950X3D, but on 7800X3D there is only 1 active CCD which is stacked. And that's why the 7800X3D "only" boosts to 5.0 GHz.
Why only 1 CCD would be stacked in a 2-CCD cpu? That doesn't make any sense, as well as the lower TDP.
@@Traumatree Well, that's what AMD said in the PCWorld interview. 7900X3D and 7950X3D has one stacked, one non-stacked CCD.
The non-stacked one boosts higher and is the same as in the non-X3D CPUs.
It’s weird seeing him without a pint glass 🤣
I’m still unsure which 7000x3d cpu to go with. I’d like to have the best of both worlds 7950x3d, but I’d like to see which of the 3 x3d processors will be better in gaming. If there is a small difference between the 7800x3d and the 7950x3d, I’ll get the 16 core variant as it’s a lot snappier in windows 11 than the 8 core variants. Plus it has the highest boost clock.
Will they have any impact on cpu bottleneck at 4K?
7800X3D boost clock is disappointing. like they didn't bin it maybe, like they do for the 2nd CCD on Ryzen 9s.
I hope it higher than advertised, I don't want/need 2 CCDs.
If you want to have 3d cache, it means lower boos clocks. Same with 7950x3d, also in that the chiplet that has 3dcache does clock lower than the other that does not havce 3d cache!
The 7950X3D is a hybrid chip. Only 8 of the 16 cores will run at the full 5.7ghz, and the other 8 get the cache with the lower clocks. That wasn't apparent in the slides, but there are some other interviews with AMD where they discussed this.
Ryzen 9 is not boosting that high on the 3D-cached CCD. The marketing is misleading. The CCD without the 3D-cache boosts high, but the 3D-cached CCD will probably perform worse than the 7800X3D because of the added heatload from the CCD next to it.
@@innocentiuslacrim2290 I'm not so sure about that. I think a lot of people that will buy these chips (7900/7950X3D) are those that want the best of both worlds. If you're gaming, the non 3d CCD would be mostly dormant. So there wouldn't be much of a heat issue. I'm more curious about the non-gaming scenario.
That lineup is fire!
off topic.. i know you are in the hotel room but damn.. love those color tones.... (brown .. orange ish colors) very nice!
Thanks from Australia!
Can't wait for a mini-PC with that 16 core mobile chip and perhaps one of those Radeon RDNA3 mobile GPU. MinisForum, I looking at you.
New Xbox is going to use it probably.
Nice recap, Paul I'm holding out for a "G" version, with onboard graphics, because I'm not a gamer.
It's great to see AMD in the highest end of pc gaming again 😀
They are every time they release a new generation of CPUs, until Intel releases their new generation. It's gone back and forth like that for years now.
@@TheRealSkeletor idk about the next one tbh the 58x3d is pretty close to the current stuff. If they're seeing 15+ over that it'll be close as heck.
@@brettcombs774 That's my point. The 7950X3D will be the top CPU for a while, until Intel comes out with whatever the successor to the 13900K will be. Then it will be AMD's turn to pass them up again.
I feel like now intel is only on top for a few months now before AMD takes the crown for another year.
@@Kitten_Stomper That's how it always goes.
Just what is it worth to make your favourite games look and run better? Well some of us have financial responsibilities. There might be upgraders selling off their gear at sensible prices.
When do the desktop G processors get announced?
Good lord, my current 5950x system is so good, but I have to admit my Eyeballs are Bulging over a newer Zen 4 core that almost hits 6Ghz at stock (5.85 I believe), has DDR5 RAM and Also 3D V-Cache.. Ok,.. now I just can't stop myself from drooling.. Omg I XXXXin Need It!! Give it to me NOW 💯
Does 3D cache help rendering and 3D workloads? or is it just for the gamers?
It can help anything that benefits from extra cache.
Hey Paul I live in vegas and I just wanted to tell you if you like Indian food there is a place in town called mint it’s frickin great !
I'll have to see if its worth the upgrade from the 5800x3D at 4K specifically.
Dibs on you old one
For purely gaming, would there be any reason to get the 7950X3d or 7900X3d over the 7800X3d?
I think there will be about a 7% gain from 7950 to 7800
@captain_morgan clocks are pretty different. 5.0 vs 5.4 I think AMD said the 7950x3d might boost up to 5.7 with over clocking
Definitely buying a 7800x3d if i get jedi survivor for free.
Thanks for the update! Unrelated question - for ASUS is ROG or TUF the higher end? Or not appropriate to look at it that way?
For ASUS Rog strix is better, probably better dye for the GPU. I’ve had them both and surprisingly the temps on my OC TUF and coil wine isn’t bad
ROG is more highend (strix or crosshair) TUF is more focused in realible hardware at least is what the marketing says
TUF is their budget line
@@user-pq4by2rq9y not in terms of their GPUs…..the tuf, tuf OC are great cards and only 100$-200$ less than the strix cards on the 4090. I went with the tuf oc 4090 because the strix aesthetic was horrendous
@@STKReacts budget doesn't mean low quality just that it is in a lower price bracket.
Great Paul... thank you.
Your welcome!
I wouldn't be surprised if AMD were to drop the prices on their previously released 7950X, 7900X, 7800X and just price the 3D V Cache variants either at the price the regular ones were at or slightly lower. That would probably make the most sense to me.
They can not. Just see what non x versions are gonna cost. The current price of x version is too low, so they put x version closer to their original MSRP to make room to non x versions. That means that 3d cache versions are gonna be about $150 above the x versions, like the 5800x3d is above normal 5800x.
If non x version MSRP would have been lower than in this slide, then it could be possible. No it is not.
@@haukikannel I think steve from GN said hypothetically with non x being only slightly cheaper than the x versions at the moment while the sales are on its not out of the realm of possible they will bring the x versions in that middle range price between the non x and their original price then ship the x3d versions at or around the original price of the 7000series..
i just snapped today up the 7600x at $90aud off the original price because when the non x versions come they will go back up ( being as im waiting on the 3d cpus and impatiently waiting to build my AM5 system i thought its a good idea to snap up a 7600x then sell it for slightly cheaper than the non x in a month or so ) most likely not to their original price but they will jump up !!
Love to see the cpu gains
Is there any news on APU's, Paul..!!
I was really hoping for a G-series processor..
I'm betting that the 7800X3D won't be any more expensive than the 7800X.
Screw just gaming, these will be the best CPU's period. Unless these are double the price of regular Zen4, these will be the most economical option from a cost per thread stand point. Need more than 32 threads? just build another system and spread the load across them with linux.
I think you're being optimistic. The X3D processors we know have cores ('CCD') which are stacked (x3d cache) and a conventional unstacked core. Stacked cores do not boost it's clock so getting leading edge business application performance and even gaming performance is going to be up to the amount of dedicated thread optimisations.
just wait for threadripper with 3d v-cache that will be scary
@@dtrjones At this point the clocks are not even that relevant. The cores share that 3d cache on the one core and that is the primary benefit. Even the base clocks of these chips far exceed the threadripper and epyc counterparts with the addition of more cache. Not to mention at a much reduced cost per core.
These are meh -products and launched (again) with deceptive marketing. 3D cache available only on one CCD on the 2-ccd CPUs and the CCD with 3D-cache is again very frequency limited. Raptor Lake is better (and I am writing this on my 5950X platform).
@@luisaazul Why would Threadripper with this be "scary". For what purpose? 5800X3D is already a poor productivity chip and Threadripper is productivity platform. How would it benefit from this? Do you actually have a point or are you just talking about stuff that you do not understand?
Any word on whether this gen's 3d vcache variants can overclock or is it still locked on those chips?
does the 7800x3d come with the wraith cooler?>
Can wait for that 7950X3D...that is a CPU that I can get behind
I want to build a new gaming rig so bad, but I'm going AM5 and they keep coming out with new stuff that I want, so I'm having to postpone the build, lmao. Hopefully once these CPUs come out I can start to get the build together. I'm still trying to decide on a case, though. I know what case I wanted originally, but I refuse to pay reseller prices now that it's discontinued (Phanteks Evolv X, in silver).
I'm probably gonna go with the Phanteks P600S since it's essentially the same interior with a different front and top panel, as well as a solid color-matched rear panel (which the Evolv X should've had; I will never understand the point of having a tempered glass back panel. Like why would you want to be able to see the cable management area? It's just dumb.
Treasure Island framed nicely in the window
So would it be worth more to buy the 7900 over the 7700x? Bc the price difference isn’t all that much?
Thanks Paul!
Thank you Paul. Activate Windows watermark in AMDs presentation 🙂.
i dont trust AMD % anymore, lmao, it is a given that it'll be better but they lied to everyone about the xtx which i bought into (my xtx is fine, no thermal issues).
unforgiveable for the foreseeable future, gonna go intel and nvidia on the cheap as in one gen behind upgrades if the price are reasonable
This is pretty common for AMD. They overhype and underdeliver almost everything and have for years. I am glad they are actually competing though.
The problem comes when they engineer stuff on purpose to look like its advanced but then make it unsafe, like when they touted the RX480 as only needing 1 power connector (implying it was super efficient) and had it overdraw through the pci-e lanes out of spec and melt peoples motherboards.
The XTX cooler issue reeks of the same crap to me. "Nvidia's cards are huge, lets make a super small one to show our cards are more advanced." Except they made the cooler a bit too small and now it has problems if not perfectly made/calibrated, apparently.
To be fair Nvidia also did this with their stupid 12vhwpr connector that should have been engineered to be bigger. When you push the engineering so close to its limits it increases the chance of critical failures.
Damn 4:40am hope u got some sleep
Paul is in pacific time, so it's actually 1:40 am when this released his time
@@johnnieburkhalter5265 ah yup forgot about that but still that's late
Las Vegas is west coast time (PST) so 1:40am
Anyone else click the like button at the start of Paul's videos? Cause you know, it's Paul.
YAYYYYYYYYY!!!
They finally put GREAT COOLERS in with thier cpu's!!!
NOW i think I'll get into the AM5 platform!
(if I come into some good money, lol
Oh yeah I always wanted to ask this
Is the X3D stronger or weaker than the usual X CPUs?
if we looked at the previous cpu ryzen 7 5800x3d, it was out performing a lot of more expensive cpus because of its cache. since we know this, it will be stronger cause of this. but depending on what you're doing it will either highly benefit you or you won't really need the extra cache. example for me since I do vr and I need that extra cache, it will highly benefit me.
@@ablueprofilepic9876 Aye nice! Ty for answering my question blue!
These only good for 1080p gaming?
Hey peeps.
Is this correct or am i missing something.
7950x3d - ccd 8/16 ccd 8/16x3d
7900x3d - ccd 6/12 ccd 6/12x3d
7800x3d - ccd 8/16x3d
5800x3d - ccd 8/16x3d
Does that mean the 7900x3d is at a disadvantage in gaming compared to the 8 core ccd counterparts? Will it basically run like a "7600x3d". Thoughts?
Could you guys give your opinion:
ASRock X670E Taichi Carrara vs Crosshair X670E Extreme?
Build will be
*CPU* 7950X3D.
*GPU* RTX 4090.
*PSU* Dark Power 13 1000W.
Heavy GPU usage for AI video rendering and gaming
AMD might have reduced the MSRP price. But AM5 motherboards prices just keeps going up and DDR5
Ram is set to come down over the next months and maybe this will then offset the motherboards... DDR5 6000mhz has dropped £70 UK since I bought it.
If what we are speculating is true for the 7950x3D, $800 for the 16 Core 32 Thread. ($885 after tax)
Should’ve I just waited till February? I just bought the 7950x 16core 32 thread for $604 on sale…..
If AMDs statement is true about it being 29% faster than the Intel Core i9-13900k, I would say the 7950x3D will be about 33-35% faster for about $300 more. Is thats worth it, sure kinda.
I am a 3D Graphic Designer/Animator. I already dropped $2800 on all the parts for my own build including the 7900xtx. Should I just wait??
AMD was doing okay on their benchmarks for a couple years, until RDNA3. Just as I was starting to slightly trust their in-house benchmarks they messed it all up. I am back to ignoring it again. Looking forward to reviews.
It’s better than the last line up
A620 Chipset motherboard a thing?
yesterday, I found that my job, my game not reach minimum performance of my hardward - 2k, 144hz. We are obsessed about hardward and its advertisement.
While I enjoy your content, I find you unnervingly calm, Um .....Thank you ...I think. Happy New Year?
Gimme that 7950x3d baby!!! I've got a 4080 and shes hungry!
Returning my 7950X thats not open for X3D version
anyone else kinda prefer the lighting in this one?
I have some fuzzy memory of the 5800X3D being slightly inferior to the 5800X in *productivity applications*? Was the issue latency? Why was that? Will we face the same issue with the 7950X3D vs the 7950X?
Yes, but in less degree. 7950 has two chiplets. One is normal and one has 3d cache. The 3d cache version is better in gaming and normal il better in productivity.
It's also bc of lower clocks to maintain temps
Thanks for the replies! I also see the TDP of the 7950X3D is much lower than the X due to lower base clock. Yay! I really like hearing that!
@@scotter the cache is on top so it's for thermals
The R9 7900 seems like a deal. Low TDP and a free cooler that doesn't suck. Slightly lower clock speeds but that makes no difference in the real world.
I just got the 7950x 16 Core…….If what we are speculating is true for the 7950x3D, $800-$850 for the 16 Core 32 Thread. ($885-$935 after tax)
Should’ve I just waited till February? I just bought the 7950x 16core 32 thread for $604 on sale…..
If AMDs statement is true about it being 29% faster than the Intel Core i9-13900k, I would say the 7950x3D will be about 33-35% than what I currently bought. Pretty much faster for about $300-350 more.
Shouldve I just waited till FEB. I am a Graphic Designer….
So laptops have RDNA3 at midtier, but not desktop which after the heating problems of the 7900 XTX really needs it.
Can I use an am4 cpu on a am5 motherboard socket?
I wonder if the 7900x3d will let the 4090 really stretch its legs or not.
I got a 13600k for mine lol, as it's just for gaming and due to my cooling setup it runs way cooler so speeds up more than if I got the i9
Please Microcenter do a ram bundle with the x3d chips.
Do we need a certain Motherboard for the 3D version of this CPU ?
Just a AM5 MB
@@D2AWinter so my ROG X670E-A will be fine ?
@@RainOnWarpaint yes
What we most certainly will need is a bios update
@@Mglunafh yeah
What about AGPUs??
I really wish instead they would focus on continued Windows 7 support and coming up with a future proof socket and motherboard that would last you 10-15 years. The consumers want something else entirely different from what these companies are doing0 focusing on gaming when is a complete waste of time.. and I'm an ex gams developer and programmer :-/
7800x3D is gonna flop, 7900x3D+7950x3D probably will do better. Unless the 3d Chiplet is limited to 5 ghz, while the non chiplet is the one boosting to 5.7 ghz, if thats how it actually is that is something they should make VERY clear, then it wont matter much.
disappointed by the 7800x3d boost clock. I think the ryzen 9s have only 1 ccd with vcache, and also probably 5ghz, while the other one without extra cache can actually boost higher. thus they can market the best specs, but in actuality another layer of misleading complexity
Pc world interview with AMDs Scott Stankard all but confirms that it's only the non vcache ccd that'll boost to 5.7GHz. They have enabled curve optimiser so there's scope to boost the frequency of the Vcache CCD from stock, which is likely around that 5GHz mark. So unlike the 5800X3D these aren't completely locked CPU's though he did say that you won't get much from PBO.
Would it really benefit from higher boost clock? It is relying on the vcache. Overclocking a 5800x3d gives you minimal gains.
The 7800X3D should be the best choice for a gaming rig though. It will be the cheapest X3D option with only one CCD. If 7900X3D and 7950X3D have only one chiplet with VCache, that one would also only boost to 5GHz and and provide only 8 cores with VCache... It'll be interesting to see if they will get the scheduling right so that games are using the cores on the chiplet with VCache.
I'm more excited for the mobile GPUs and CPUs!
hmmmmmm looks like 7950x3d might become a thredripper mini.
i don't think these will be as drastic improvement as the 5800x3d was because they're not nearly as bandwidth starved as am4 was at the end of its life.
Hope this means. The price of the Ryzaen 7 5800X3D chip goes down too!😭
Definitely want the 7950x3d. I am curious though, with cache on 1 ccd, how windows will schedule for gaming.
Normally I use process lasso to set cpu affinity. I'm sure there will be deep dives on it
Windows doesn't even manage to get Power-Cores and E-Cores correctly 100% of the time.
And compared to AMDs challenge this is way easier.
It will work some times - and on others it wont.
Personally I think it is way too much of a gamble to be worth buying a 7950X3D.
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