The amount of vitriol he has received is not enough to equal his cheating. An honorable man would have bowed out if he was just finding out that he is male. But it's even worse: he would have known he was male (with his XY chromosomes) around the time of puberty if not before.
Khalif and Lin are female victims experiencing oppression and bullying led by IBA in the event. IBA failed to show any evidence but statements to proof the two female players possess XY chromosomes. In a scientific research, measurements matter. The consistency and accuracy decide whether the measurement is suitable or not. Where, what and how did IBA examine the athletes are the keys to show public that their ‘claims’ are trustworthy. To disclose the measurements is not a privacy issue, but IBA kept them secret. Additionally, Khalif and Lin stated they were females. Lin even holds certification from qualified hospital. Why their statements cannot be accepted? It is so easy for such a big and powerful organisation to oppress and bully athletes from small countries like Khalif and Lin. All IBA needs to do is to ‘claim’ they are men. BTW, Lin’s appeal was rejected by IBA after her Bronze medal was withdrawn. When a journalist asked about Lin’s situation at the press conference IBA held, their answer was they respect China, and Taiwan, where Lin is from, belongs to China. Clearly, the whole thing is a political issue to IBA. n the event.
@@Ilovevegetables88 keep swallowing the lie. This is only the start of destroying female sport by allowing anyone with XY chromosome aka men, to beat the hell out of women. Shame on the IOC who refuse to do a simple cheek swap test to prove the real sex of these athletes whereas the IBA did those test and proved these athletes are men.
@Ilovevegetables88 IBA requested permission to release the test results to the public. Both boxers refused and threatened to sue if they did. What IBA could say is they are male. They are not female.
This issue will not go away, we know that the two boxers are XY. Strong opposition will grow and grow, as at the end of the day , women's rights are being abused and their is no way of getting away from that. I mean stating that results of blood tests should not be disclosed is absolutely disgusting. Its essential to know if the individual is XX or XY, in order to determine the sex of the individual to ensure safety, end of story .
@@yacinech1149 the International Boxing Federation tested both boxers TWICE last year and they were banned from competing due to XY chromosomes!!! Research helps!
@@yacinech1149 The IBA conducted blood tests when they were the governing body, which confirmed/determined that both were XY, which at the time led to both being disqualified as they felt there was an unfair advantage. The IOC now they are in charge have not followed this ruling, so now you have got this divide. There are very simple tests that can be done to determine the sex of a person , either blood / saliva tests but the IOC have not allowed this and that is a problem for womens sports, ( not just in boxing) as it takes away womens rights.
This is not so much about the individual boxers (although they appear complicit) as it is about the IoC (Mark Adams to be specific) being disingenuous - to say the least. He prioritises inclusion & no ‘hurty feelings’ for men above actual women being physically harmed. All that is needed is for all athletes to submit to a simple cheek swab to determine XX or XY.
This ridiculous ruling will mean the end of women and young girls’ safety, rights and aspirations. I believe Princess Anne is a member of the IOC. I think everyone should write to her for the sake of our aspiring young female athletes. Biology deals in facts not feelings.
The Olympics is the pinnacle of most athletes aspirations. But it's history of IOC corruption, allowing political protests, doping, and politics embedded in their decisions, (regularly banning countries for example) goes all the way back to at least the 1936 Berlin games. And if anyone believes all todays athletes are amateurs, or that all the doping is gone, they can't be living on the same planet. It's NEVER been a fair and level playing field. This is just the latest of many scandals.
The IOC violates the Olympic Charter, violates women's rights. Hides the results of the analyses. The IOC discredits honesty at the Olympics, they should be brought in and convicted of lying!!! The analyses of the athletes must be published - and if they are men, the games in women's boxing must be replayed without men!!!
What about womens right mr Adams ,They were barred for a very good reason fro boxing women in womens boxing in world championship, The ioc put them there this year &turned womens rights back 100 yrs
This is one case where “assigned at birth” actually applies, yet strangely, the ideologues are all insisting this XY boxer was “born a woman”….terminology they NEVER normally use.
We need fair and sensible competition categories. On a personal level it must be extremely difficult to have a condition called DSD and find when you hit puberty your body responds in a very different way than you expected. It must be quite a shock and difficult to cope with emotionally and socially and as a society we need to be thoughtful about that. However, if you decide to compete in sport and especially one where there are serious safety concerns for your opponents then it may well be that you cannot compete fairly in existing categories. The governing bodies are failing all athletes by not resolving this based on research and science and treating everyone with dignity. Unfortunately this is a serious difficulty in the female category of sports, and in the long term damaging to womens sports participation in a fair way. We do not have females with DSD at olympic level in the male category which proves the point. So, lets behave with grace regarding DSD, but be quite firm that sporting bodies must create a fair and safe environment.
If there are so many intersex people competing in sports, why have not both the IBA and the IOC, found solutions and made another category for these people. I agree with sex testing for all female sports.
You cannot be 'somewhere in-between male & female' - you are either a male born with DSD or a female born with a DSD. VERY rare in the general population but there seem to be a fair few in top level sports & athletics 🤔
THE IOC.HAVE NO RESPECT FOR WOMEN ,,ALLOWING THIS TO HAPPEN, THESE 2 BOXERS ACCEPTED THE BANNING OFBEING ALLOWING IN WORLDS WOMENS BOXING ,The would have accepted same verdict If the ioc respecting
The IOC claims no one should be discriminated against? Really? Then what are all the qualifying rounds about? What are all the random blood and urine tests about? Why are the podiums so small there's only enough room on them for the people who came 1st, 2nd & 3rd to stand on them. Why doesn't EVERYONE get a medal? Of COURSE the bleeping IOC discriminate! Sport is ABOUT discriminating!
Yes, I believe so. The IOC policy is now to let individual sporting bodies regulate their own sport. The reason they are ignoring the international boxing association, which banned these athletes, is because the IOC took over the regulation of boxing from the association. Other sports with their own bodies that are still recognised by the IOC have been ruling against males in female sport lately.
@@nope567nope thanks, I knew different sporting bodies were doing this away from the Olympics but the coin hadn’t dropped that this was also happening within the Olympics. The fact that the IOC knows that other sports at the Olympics would presumably have excluded similar athletes from women’s competitions who were intersex/ DSD with XY chromosomes makes the IOC’s confidence in their own position here seem very much out of place.
A press conference was held and the IBA addressed and confirmed that imane khelif failed a gender eligibility test not once but twice the test results confirmed from a blood sample taken that she had xy chromosomes..no testosterone test was done ..the IBA produced a letter addressed to imane khelif that she failed the gender eligibility test and could appeal...imane did infact appeal but withdrew her appeal ...the other boxer who also failed the test did not appeal the decision...in 2022 and 2023 both failed these tests ...imane khelif has denied being trans ..has denied having swyer syndrome and has denied being DSD..she has stated she is female was born and raised as a female and has refused requests to have further testing...it was infact the IOC that has said both have high testosterone levels
You need to speak to the fact that the individual boxer from Algeria has been beaten several times by women. People are looking at that as “proof” this is acceptable.
@@Rmdon444 Ok. If they are better at boxing, and can beat a man on several different occasions, can you not see how this strengthens the idea that he’s fine to box with women? Based on your logic, when he pummeled his last opponent then everyone just says - well too bad - he was better than her then.
@@Sharetheroad3333 I am sorry. That is not I was saying and that is not my logic I was speaking of a skill some may have Some people are more skilled in all professions.
wonder at this happing at this time (with boxing of all the sports) I know it's not being billed as a trans thing but it is strongly connected. Or maybe its just an attempt to make women look bad. I like horse riding are there any trans equestrians it wouldn't matter in equestrian disciplines would it.
Sex Matters Is better than this , they shouldn't go on shows that are so obviously antagonistic to the issue. I support what they are doing and I'm not in support of trans women competing against bio women. But to have the snarky, antagonistic commentator poisons the conversation and removes nuance. Helen, Joyce talked about the issue in a way where people understood the particular details and did not blame the competitor, but it's a policy issue. Instead this commentator calls her a bloke and disrespects her androgen insensitivity condition (or whatever is going on).. instead we should be talking about how this exception proves the rule regarding testosterone.
Khalif and Lin are female victims experiencing oppression and bullying led by IBA in the event. IBA failed to show any evidence but statements to proof the two female players possess XY chromosomes. In a scientific research, measurements matter. The consistency and accuracy decide whether the measurement is suitable or not. Where, what and how did IBA examine the athletes are the keys to show public that their ‘claims’ are trustworthy. To disclose the measurements is not a privacy issue, but IBA kept them secret. Additionally, Khalif and Lin stated they were females. Lin even holds certification from qualified hospital. Why their statements cannot be accepted? It is so easy for such a big and powerful organisation to oppress and bully athletes from small countries like Khalif and Lin. All IBA needs to do is to ‘claim’ they are men. BTW, Lin’s appeal was rejected by IBA after her Bronze medal was withdrawn. When a journalist asked about Lin’s situation at the press conference IBA held, their answer was they respect China, and Taiwan, where Lin is from, belongs to China. Clearly, the whole thing is a political issue to IBA. n the event. IBA failed to show any evidence but statements to proof the two female players possess XY chromosomes. In a scientific research, measurements matter. The consistency and accuracy decide whether the measurement is suitable or not. Where, what and how did IBA examine the athletes are the keys to show public that their ‘claims’ are trustworthy. To disclose the measurements is not a privacy issue, but IBA kept them secret. Additionally, Khalif and Lin stated they were females. Lin even holds certification from qualified hospital. Why their statements cannot be accepted? It is so easy for such a big and powerful organisation to oppress and bully athletes from small countries like Khalif and Lin. All IBA needs to do is to ‘claim’ they are men. BTW, Lin’s appeal was rejected by IBA after her Bronze medal was withdrawn. When a journalist asked about Lin’s situation at the press conference IBA held, their answer was they respect China, and Taiwan, where Lin is from, belongs to China. Clearly, the whole thing is a political issue to IBA.
Wait a minute. If you acknowledge the guy from Algeria is not trans- and in light of Algeria culture - wasn’t it likely he was raised a girl? Isn’t it likely that would be difficult to emotionally cope with once you learn otherwise?
@Sharetheroad3333 Yes, of course. But that is not a sporting issue - what this individual is going through is not any of the IOC's business. Their responsibility is to ensure that the Games are fair, and safe - this they are spectacularly failing to do.
@@Shinybuddies You are right, of course. I just wonder if this guy really believes he’s a girl, having been raised as one. But certainly they are not doing him any favors. But also- he has lost several times to women. This surprises me, and is one of the current talking points.
Imane she’s just a victim of the conflict between iba and ioc we need to ask ourselves the question why the Italian woman has to give up and cry juste after 40 secondes and the next day she receives 100,000 dollars in reality no one cares about women Shame on you all
@@nope567nope I'm just demonstrating that it is possible to be female and look manly in certain strength events whilst the 2 boxers also look manly but in their case have been designated as female which they have a right to be and the IOC are happy with that.
If by manly you mean they have muscular/athletic builds; that's what happens when a woman dedicates herself to athletic pursuits. But even without special training, the average man is approximately twice as strong as a woman. It's not fair, but it's biology.
@@davidfalconbridge8878Again, it's irrelevant to sports competition if someone looks manly or not. The relevant question is if someone is male or female. If an athlete is male they should be welcomed with all care & respect into the male category.
@@siobhannoble8545 This is misogynistic and why people don't take Sex matters seriously. You're literally hunting cis-women now who have intersex traits.
The Italian beaten to death in 46 seconds? She didn't bleed from the nose, she doesn't have a fracture, not a scratch, no complaint was filed by her coaches. It's not Imen Kheliff's fault if the Italian doesn't know how to be on guard, she doesn't even have muscles, we wonder how she made it to the Olympics.. Anyway, she retired from boxing in a healthy flash of lucidity after apologizing to Iman Khelif. In Europe, we don't find such ignorance among the press and bloggers, as for you Americans, you don't even make the effort to find out with a simple click, nor do your readers
@@davidfalconbridge8878 Because she knew that the man punching her could inflict serious injury. You're a old to be playing the Internet Tough Guy, don't you think? But thanks for proving that age doesn't equal wisdom.
All of this is an absolutely apalling public relations disaster for the IOC, and all in the cause of protecting a handful of men's feelings.
nobody needs to be discriminated, males compete with males , females compete with females. Anything else is lies, misogyny and injustice.
It is ludicrous for the IOC to suggest that sex doesn't matter. And for them to suggest they are surprised by this issue is an outright lie.
Sex matters in bathrooms & sports.
Boxing is THE worst sport for this to happen.
God Im SICK of it all!
exactly! when it comes to swimming, running or weight lifting it`s "only" unfair, but boxing???? that`s highly dangerous for the woman!
Bravo, O'Sullivan. At least some news networks still have the orbs to tell the truth.
So is the Italian boxer, the amount of vitriol online abuse she has received is astonishing and disgraceful!
The amount of vitriol he has received is not enough to equal his cheating. An honorable man would have bowed out if he was just finding out that he is male. But it's even worse: he would have known he was male (with his XY chromosomes) around the time of puberty if not before.
Khalif and Lin are female victims experiencing oppression and bullying led by IBA in the event. IBA failed to show any evidence but statements to proof the two female players possess XY chromosomes.
In a scientific research, measurements matter. The consistency and accuracy decide whether the measurement is suitable or not. Where, what and how did IBA examine the athletes are the keys to show public that their ‘claims’ are trustworthy. To disclose the measurements is not a privacy issue, but IBA kept them secret.
Additionally, Khalif and Lin stated they were females. Lin even holds certification from qualified hospital.
Why their statements cannot be accepted?
It is so easy for such a big and powerful organisation to oppress and bully athletes from small countries like Khalif and Lin. All IBA needs to do is to ‘claim’ they are men.
BTW, Lin’s appeal was rejected by IBA after her Bronze medal was withdrawn. When a journalist asked about Lin’s situation at the press conference IBA held, their answer was they respect China, and Taiwan, where Lin is from, belongs to China. Clearly, the whole thing is a political issue to IBA. n the event.
@@Ilovevegetables88 keep swallowing the lie. This is only the start of destroying female sport by allowing anyone with XY chromosome aka men, to beat the hell out of women. Shame on the IOC who refuse to do a simple cheek swap test to prove the real sex of these athletes whereas the IBA did those test and proved these athletes are men.
Exactly. The attacks specifically from Muslim men on her have been utterly horrifying.
@Ilovevegetables88 IBA requested permission to release the test results to the public. Both boxers refused and threatened to sue if they did. What IBA could say is they are male. They are not female.
This issue will not go away, we know that the two boxers are XY. Strong opposition will grow and grow, as at the end of the day , women's rights are being abused and their is no way of getting away from that. I mean stating that results of blood tests should not be disclosed is absolutely disgusting. Its essential to know if the individual is XX or XY, in order to determine the sex of the individual to ensure safety, end of story .
how do you know it's XY ?!
@@yacinech1149 Because he already had this test before and was declared male.
@@yacinech1149 the International Boxing Federation tested both boxers TWICE last year and they were banned from competing due to XY chromosomes!!! Research helps!
@@yacinech1149 The IBA conducted blood tests when they were the governing body, which confirmed/determined that both were XY, which at the time led to both being disqualified as they felt there was an unfair advantage. The IOC now they are in charge have not followed this ruling, so now you have got this divide. There are very simple tests that can be done to determine the sex of a person , either blood / saliva tests but the IOC have not allowed this and that is a problem for womens sports, ( not just in boxing) as it takes away womens rights.
@@siobhannoble8545 🤦🏻 look do more research before plz about the IBA
This is not so much about the individual boxers (although they appear complicit) as it is about the IoC (Mark Adams to be specific) being disingenuous - to say the least. He prioritises inclusion & no ‘hurty feelings’ for men above actual women being physically harmed.
All that is needed is for all athletes to submit to a simple cheek swab to determine XX or XY.
This ridiculous ruling will mean the end of women and young girls’ safety, rights and aspirations. I believe Princess Anne is a member of the IOC. I think everyone should write to her for the sake of our aspiring young female athletes. Biology deals in facts not feelings.
🗣️🗣️💪will share w my women’s action groups! We are writing to Angela to support as well! 🤗🥳pressure presses too💪
It's never a trans issue - it's a women's rights issue. How many times do we need to say this?
Well said, Kevin. Very rare truth for MSM. 👏
The Olympics is the pinnacle of most athletes aspirations. But it's history of IOC corruption, allowing political protests, doping, and politics embedded in their decisions, (regularly banning countries for example) goes all the way back to at least the 1936 Berlin games. And if anyone believes all todays athletes are amateurs, or that all the doping is gone, they can't be living on the same planet. It's NEVER been a fair and level playing field. This is just the latest of many scandals.
The IOC violates the Olympic Charter, violates women's rights. Hides the results of the analyses. The IOC discredits honesty at the Olympics, they should be brought in and convicted of lying!!! The analyses of the athletes must be published - and if they are men, the games in women's boxing must be replayed without men!!!
What about womens right mr Adams ,They were barred for a very good reason fro boxing women in womens boxing in world championship, The ioc put them there this year &turned womens rights back 100 yrs
They’re both male. They’re not inbetween anything.
As an experienced ex boxer I can state both those male boxers are average(at best)...thats why they choose to box women...its that simple
This is one case where “assigned at birth” actually applies, yet strangely, the ideologues are all insisting this XY boxer was “born a woman”….terminology they NEVER normally use.
Exactly! Suddenly they can say born as without any qualifications.
I'd not even trust a test carried out by the IOC after all this anyway
Interesting they never have these women on the BBC or Sky
Only womens are being discrimination in this Olympics boxing ,by The IOC ,
Sports are segregated by sex, not gender.
A simple low cost cheek swab would end all controversy and speculation
We need fair and sensible competition categories. On a personal level it must be extremely difficult to have a condition called DSD and find when you hit puberty your body responds in a very different way than you expected. It must be quite a shock and difficult to cope with emotionally and socially and as a society we need to be thoughtful about that.
However, if you decide to compete in sport and especially one where there are serious safety concerns for your opponents then it may well be that you cannot compete fairly in existing categories. The governing bodies are failing all athletes by not resolving this based on research and science and treating everyone with dignity.
Unfortunately this is a serious difficulty in the female category of sports, and in the long term damaging to womens sports participation in a fair way. We do not have females with DSD at olympic level in the male category which proves the point.
So, lets behave with grace regarding DSD, but be quite firm that sporting bodies must create a fair and safe environment.
Excellent comment, Shelley.
Agree! One of the best comments I've read yet.
If there are so many intersex people competing in sports, why have not both the IBA and the IOC, found solutions and made another category for these people. I agree with sex testing for all female sports.
By the way, Mark Adams and his German boss of IOC have incredibly bigoted medieval arguments.
Is the Labour Party unfit to Govern?
Yes.
Why do you ask?
The cannot give us the details or test results in paris because they would b the same as in world boxing last year ,
You cannot be 'somewhere in-between male & female' - you are either a male born with DSD or a female born with a DSD.
VERY rare in the general population but there seem to be a fair few in top level sports & athletics 🤔
If those chaps are women, I'm a koala bear because I'm chubby, furry and have claws.
They are biological men
@@stephenholmes1036 exactly
Imane of Algeria is allowed to compete but Caster Semenya of South Africa, 800m olympian, is not allowed. HOW IS IT FAIR?
Caster is male too.. but point taken. Y=GUY. 14yo boys outstrip women’s athletics, so we must protect our sports❤️
Because Caster is a full blooded man with a DSD that only affects males...nothing woman about him
Correct
THE IOC.HAVE NO RESPECT FOR WOMEN ,,ALLOWING THIS TO HAPPEN, THESE 2 BOXERS ACCEPTED THE BANNING OFBEING ALLOWING IN WORLDS WOMENS BOXING ,The would have accepted same verdict If the ioc respecting
Bring back sex testing. It's a very simple test.
The IOC claims no one should be discriminated against? Really? Then what are all the qualifying rounds about? What are all the random blood and urine tests about? Why are the podiums so small there's only enough room on them for the people who came 1st, 2nd & 3rd to stand on them. Why doesn't EVERYONE get a medal?
Of COURSE the bleeping IOC discriminate! Sport is ABOUT discriminating!
We all know the results of the sex tests
Are they scared of being sued?
Caster Semenya
Let her speak , what she says is much more interesting than you using made up words like "trans women "
Until actual women all boycott the event together this madness will continue.
A simple low cost cheek swab for DNA would suffice. Why not do it?
I agree with everything Kevin is saying but he has a way of saying it that is quite silly and needlessly sensational.
Noticed that lately too.
@@judithmorganjudyteen some great big bloke SMASHING her FACE in and then she falls to her knees WEEPING the poor girl...
So, is it the case at this years Olympics that for some sports sex testing has occurred but for other sports it has not?!
Yes, I believe so. The IOC policy is now to let individual sporting bodies regulate their own sport. The reason they are ignoring the international boxing association, which banned these athletes, is because the IOC took over the regulation of boxing from the association. Other sports with their own bodies that are still recognised by the IOC have been ruling against males in female sport lately.
@@nope567nope thanks, I knew different sporting bodies were doing this away from the Olympics but the coin hadn’t dropped that this was also happening within the Olympics. The fact that the IOC knows that other sports at the Olympics would presumably have excluded similar athletes from women’s competitions who were intersex/ DSD with XY chromosomes makes the IOC’s confidence in their own position here seem very much out of place.
A press conference was held and the IBA addressed and confirmed that imane khelif failed a gender eligibility test not once but twice the test results confirmed from a blood sample taken that she had xy chromosomes..no testosterone test was done ..the IBA produced a letter addressed to imane khelif that she failed the gender eligibility test and could appeal...imane did infact appeal but withdrew her appeal ...the other boxer who also failed the test did not appeal the decision...in 2022 and 2023 both failed these tests ...imane khelif has denied being trans ..has denied having swyer syndrome and has denied being DSD..she has stated she is female was born and raised as a female and has refused requests to have further testing...it was infact the IOC that has said both have high testosterone levels
Vicissitudes, not vissitudes.
They need to do a complete physical including blood work to check testosterone levels. And have medical records showing that the women are women
You need to speak to the fact that the individual boxer from Algeria has been beaten several times by women. People are looking at that as “proof” this is acceptable.
It’s an illogical argument. The women who beat him could have been more skilled at boxing
@@Rmdon444
Ok. If they are better at boxing, and can beat a man on several different occasions, can you not see how this strengthens the idea that he’s fine to box with women? Based on your logic, when he pummeled his last opponent then everyone just says - well too bad - he was better than her then.
He could pull his punches for more believable stats.
@@Sharetheroad3333
I am sorry. That is not I was saying and that is not my logic
I was speaking of a skill some may have Some people are more skilled in all professions.
@@CrystalShadow
I have seen trans runner slow down in races so they don’t beat the females as badly
WOW. DID YOU EVEN WATCH THE FIGHT? the italian boxer quit and only collapsed after she was announced the loser. Get your facts straight.
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wonder at this happing at this time (with boxing of all the sports) I know it's not being billed as a trans thing but it is strongly connected. Or maybe its just an attempt to make women look bad. I like horse riding are there any trans equestrians it wouldn't matter in equestrian disciplines would it.
Two Tier Adams 🤦♂️
Sex Matters Is better than this , they shouldn't go on shows that are so obviously antagonistic to the issue. I support what they are doing and I'm not in support of trans women competing against bio women. But to have the snarky, antagonistic commentator poisons the conversation and removes nuance. Helen, Joyce talked about the issue in a way where people understood the particular details and did not blame the competitor, but it's a policy issue. Instead this commentator calls her a bloke and disrespects her androgen insensitivity condition (or whatever is going on).. instead we should be talking about how this exception proves the rule regarding testosterone.
I disagree.
Khalif and Lin are female victims experiencing oppression and bullying led by IBA in the event. IBA failed to show any evidence but statements to proof the two female players possess XY chromosomes.
In a scientific research, measurements matter. The consistency and accuracy decide whether the measurement is suitable or not. Where, what and how did IBA examine the athletes are the keys to show public that their ‘claims’ are trustworthy. To disclose the measurements is not a privacy issue, but IBA kept them secret.
Additionally, Khalif and Lin stated they were females. Lin even holds certification from qualified hospital.
Why their statements cannot be accepted?
It is so easy for such a big and powerful organisation to oppress and bully athletes from small countries like Khalif and Lin. All IBA needs to do is to ‘claim’ they are men.
BTW, Lin’s appeal was rejected by IBA after her Bronze medal was withdrawn. When a journalist asked about Lin’s situation at the press conference IBA held, their answer was they respect China, and Taiwan, where Lin is from, belongs to China. Clearly, the whole thing is a political issue to IBA. n the event. IBA failed to show any evidence but statements to proof the two female players possess XY chromosomes.
In a scientific research, measurements matter. The consistency and accuracy decide whether the measurement is suitable or not. Where, what and how did IBA examine the athletes are the keys to show public that their ‘claims’ are trustworthy. To disclose the measurements is not a privacy issue, but IBA kept them secret.
Additionally, Khalif and Lin stated they were females. Lin even holds certification from qualified hospital.
Why their statements cannot be accepted?
It is so easy for such a big and powerful organisation to oppress and bully athletes from small countries like Khalif and Lin. All IBA needs to do is to ‘claim’ they are men.
BTW, Lin’s appeal was rejected by IBA after her Bronze medal was withdrawn. When a journalist asked about Lin’s situation at the press conference IBA held, their answer was they respect China, and Taiwan, where Lin is from, belongs to China. Clearly, the whole thing is a political issue to IBA.
Wait a minute. If you acknowledge the guy from Algeria is not trans- and in light of Algeria culture - wasn’t it likely he was raised a girl? Isn’t it likely that would be difficult to emotionally cope with once
you learn otherwise?
@Sharetheroad3333 Yes, of course. But that is not a sporting issue - what this individual is going through is not any of the IOC's business. Their responsibility is to ensure that the Games are fair, and safe - this they are spectacularly failing to do.
@@Shinybuddies
You are right, of course. I just wonder if this guy really believes he’s a girl, having been raised as one. But certainly they are not doing him any favors.
But also- he has lost several times to women. This surprises me, and is one of the current talking points.
Imane she’s just a victim of the conflict between iba and ioc we need to ask ourselves the question why the Italian woman has to give up and cry juste after 40 secondes and the next day she receives 100,000 dollars
in reality no one cares about women
Shame on you all
A man blaming the woman and trying to make the male the victim. Shocker.
What about shot putters, weightlifters, Javelin throwers? They often look manly
Whats wrong with looking manly? I would think the problem is being male, rather than looking manly.
@@nope567nope I'm just demonstrating that it is possible to be female and look manly in certain strength events whilst the 2 boxers also look manly but in their case have been designated as female which they have a right to be and the IOC are happy with that.
14yo males outstrip women’s records- y=GUY. All used to be cheekswab tested 1/lifetime (bc it doesn’t change). Bring it back💪
If by manly you mean they have muscular/athletic builds; that's what happens when a woman dedicates herself to athletic pursuits.
But even without special training, the average man is approximately twice as strong as a woman. It's not fair, but it's biology.
@@davidfalconbridge8878Again, it's irrelevant to sports competition if someone looks manly or not. The relevant question is if someone is male or female. If an athlete is male they should be welcomed with all care & respect into the male category.
Fiona - you really need a fringe babe!
They are both female! 😊
No, dear. Kevin is male, Fiona is female. Hope that helps!
@@nope567nope I wasn't referring to Kevin and Fiona who are quite obviously male and female 🙄
You need to get your eyes checked.
@@siobhannoble8545 This is misogynistic and why people don't take Sex matters seriously. You're literally hunting cis-women now who have intersex traits.
@@siobhannoble8545 Specsavers 😀
The Italian beaten to death in 46 seconds? She didn't bleed from the nose, she doesn't have a fracture, not a scratch, no complaint was filed by her coaches. It's not Imen Kheliff's fault if the Italian doesn't know how to be on guard, she doesn't even have muscles, we wonder how she made it to the Olympics..
Anyway, she retired from boxing in a healthy flash of lucidity after apologizing to Iman Khelif.
In Europe, we don't find such ignorance among the press and bloggers, as for you Americans, you don't even make the effort to find out with a simple click, nor do your readers
It is simple, sex testing reveals whether someone has XY chromosomes and therefore has gone through male puberty.
So you're saying a man forced a woman out of her career? Interesting
She quit in less than a minute!
Where are the Americans? 😂
@@davidfalconbridge8878 Because she knew that the man punching her could inflict serious injury. You're a old to be playing the Internet Tough Guy, don't you think? But thanks for proving that age doesn't equal wisdom.
Vicissitudes, not vissitudes.