At first, I was blindly taking Shelby's side. The news was too shocking to even think straight. But after some time and after everything calmed down, more info started leaking. It was the time for some real evidence from her side, which she never provided. You can cover up bruises, but not bites. They can be really nasty. She also permanently damaged Wilbur's reputation, and he probably will not recover from it unless there will be some more explanations. She did so much harm and even liked people's comments who wished harm upon Wilbur. The best lie you can tell if you will include the truth in it. I believe that Wilbur was biting her, and Shelby agreed to it. Im certain that the guy has issues. But this entire situation should have never left their bedroom. I just hope he will recover from it since he was visibly pale and skinny. Hopefully, if he is actually guilty, he will also go to the therapist. We still need more info
@@ThatSwanBlossom honestly, swoop might be right. Swoop is definitely onto something frfr For now the situation is just what she said what he said type sh
Yes.. As a matter of fact. People don't care to do it like that. And they cause fire and fuel it, including their blind Internet justice.. Like fucking hell.. Some people are talking about other problems people had with Wilbursoot, but they are ones that can be dealth with, LEGALLY... Not blind internet justice..
exactly! Shubble doesn't provide any proves for any of her words and Wilbur for some reason can't make an explanation video like George and Dream did, for example besides, the whole situation could be discussed in their DMs between only the two of them, because what can be private should stay private. feels like Shubble is doing it all for her popularity now and Will is just... ignoring it? which is also wrong, he should know that the hate won't stop until he makes a proper response
I think the situation shouldn't even be online, not like this. Looking at that I think wilbur doing it correctly. This is something that is supposed to be done privat.
@@dorabukovics4337 that's exactly what I'm saying, YES! what can be private should stay private, especially when someone's career or personal life depends on it
@@dorabukovics4337 as a SA survivor I sighed when she handled it the way she did we don’t even have proof first of all and second she decided to share it with her mainly minor audience like… it should of been private
Is no one gonna notice Shubble's pattern of lying about her exes in the past and constant cheating whilst in a relationship with Wilbur? Also, she obviously doesn't understand what a safeword is. Pieces of her story are also inconsistent. Like the fact she said he'd show off the marks to friends..sooo..how come said friends had no clue about such a thing apart from the on camera biting? Then there's the "he locked me in his house" point. He was living with his parents during said time. I cannot support someone with so many holes in their story. Not to mention there have been some photos resurfacing of Wilbur with bruises during the time he was dating Shubble. We clearly do not have the full story. Women can also be manipulators and abusers within a relationship.
Before you read the rest of this comment, I just want to say I'm NOT trying to take sides, nor am I trying to excuse Wilbur's actions if the allegations are, in fact, true. When this thing all started, I was hesitant to take sides mainly because of the lack of proof from Shubble. I waited until Wilbur made his statement about it. After Wilbur publicly apologised, he received a lot of backlash from people claiming that his response wasn't genuine, and that he was trying to make the situation about him. To be honest, I agreed with what people were saying. After reading the apology a couple of times it did feel that way. However given the pressure and circumstances he was facing, it would be nearly impossible to create a perfect response. I doubt he was thinking about his wording when he was writing the apology, he just wanted to get a first response across. I agree with your point about Wilbur waiting a few months to make a final statement. Another reason I was hesitant to take a side was because being a long time fan of Wilbur, I knew he struggled with mental problems. I want to make this clear again, I'm NOT trying to excuse Wilbur of his actions. I just want to point out that it's difficult to immediately accuse someone of something without stepping in their shoes first. We don't know what was going on through his mind when he was allegedly biting Shubble. And speaking of biting (correct me if I'm wrong here), it's a pretty strange habit to have, and I just think there's more to the situation than meets the eye. I also think it's very weird that all of a sudden EVERYONE is getting involved with their personal matters. There's a reason Shubble didn't mention her abuser on her stream, and I think we should have respected her decision of keeping this information private instead of throwing out allegations. Shubble kept her abuser secret for a reason. I was scrolling through the comments on Lovejoy's music video for Call Me What You Like and I saw a comment that pointed out something very strange. That music video was released a year ago, which meant that it was about the time Shubble and Wilbur broke up. However, Shubble appears in the music video. I'm not trying to throw shade at Shubble and accuse her of lying, I'm just simply curious why she'd agree to film a music video with her alleged abusive ex. Finally, the last point I want to make is in a situation like this, it's not about the abuser, it's about the victim. Go support Shubble and other victims of abuse and domestic violence. Supporting Shubble does NOT mean sending death threats to Wilbur. Leave Wilbur and other alleged abusers out of the image. My heart goes out to all victims of abuse, we hear you and we're with you through whatever you're going through. Edit: I just realised this, has no one looked into Wilbur's lyrics in Lovejoy songs? Those songs and lyrics came out way before Shubble said ANYTHING about this. The lyrics were clearly talking about abuse, from WILBUR'S perspective, as the victim. And what makes this really weird is that Call Me What You Like is one of those songs, however Shubble appears in the music video. I just went and did some more research and found something that Shubble's "cousin" wrote. I don't think it's actually real, and it is her cousin, but if it is real then it's pretty safe to say that Shubble was also an abuser (although I really don't think it was Shubble's cousin, the whole text seemed fake).
Yeah Lovejoys new song lyrics are extremely interesting theres definitely something up, tommy also never actually addressed the situation. It also seems suspicious that the members of Lovejoy didn't kick will out. I feel like they wouldn't tolerate that kind of behavior. Shubble also supported caiti and her allegations were proved to be incorrect and she was just trying to get attention. She has changed her story multiple times. George also didn't know she was underaged because she was drinking so why would she be underaged drinking??? Will also addressed the situation that was not an apology. Shubble seemed to get kind of aggressive after his apology? It just seems strange all of this.
shubble didnt even have to make this so called "abuse', public , she basically ruined wills reputation. Its just that he has this biting problem that my friend also has for some reason, it is annoying and painful but i dont mind it much she should've taken this privately.
I doubt the Call Me What You Like video was uploaded that close to the filming date. Getting a music video filmed, edited, colour-graded etc can take weeks. Unless we learn the actual dates of these events, this evidence is too vague to really draw conclusions.
Something I noticed after the allegations came out was multiple people were coming out with their stories, but one of them was about Tubbo. The allegation was proved a lie because there were many things the accuser didn’t think about, like the time and how Tubbo doesn’t have a license. I just thought it was weird how someone just randomly spoke/accused someone out of the blue. I’m proud most have been able to speak about their stories. You all are survivors and are cared about and loved.
Honestly I’ve been thinking the same thing. A lot of people are immediately taking Shubble’s side, but honestly I just don’t see anything that actually shows he did any of this. Because a lot of people are just saying the biting in general is bad, but she DID consent to it. I’ve also been thinking about how this just seems to be off for some reason. EVERYONE is getting accused of stuff. George, dream, now Will? It just doesn’t seem like something he would do, he seems like a good person. Poor communication is most likely the cause, and I’m glad you brought that up. I just wish we knew EXACTLY what happened, like you said. What texts? Wilbur has stated that some messages made him think it was consensual, but I just need proof. It’s hard for me to immediately believe when someone is accused, because so many things are just lies. I also wonder… are there specific things Wilbur can’t say because of legal reasons?
Honestly I think people believed Shubble more because numerous content creators who had direct contact with him also share the same experience that they just brush it off. Billzo went off about how Will treated him and his friends, it's still up there on Twt. Minx explained how she lost her friends after Will's false accusation about her trying to drown him in a toilet. Niki with her horrible experience living with him in the UK. A lot of his fans come up to different platforms to explain about their interactions with Wilbur's aggressive behavior when he's in a bad mood. Fundy's meetup video showing Will's house with a damaged wall that Will admitted he did ruined it, and Fundy even said it's not healthy. He also on a regular basis, punched the table as loud as possible when he didn't get what he wanted, and made everything shake with violence. Yeah I guess it's a common gamer trait, but it's a worrying sign still if he did it on the daily basis.
@@Lorraine.20 You do make a good point. I guess I just have a hard time believing everything because of how much stuff (that is similar to these allegations) has been proven false and because of just how I saw him interact with people he was close to. Phil, Tommy, Techno- and the gamer rage thing I get so much- I have a little brother, and that’s really all the explanation required. I guess Wilbur and the whole community made up a lot of my childhood and have been comforting for years whenever I feel down and then it starts breaking apart like this- it really hurts man. And I do get that there are a lot of people explaining it, so yeah, that makes sense. Like I stated before, he’s always seemed like a good person, and a lot of things he’s said when he was serious has just resonated with me. I’m very distrusting of people, so my mindset is always that I need SOMETHING other than he said she said. But he does have a lot of people against him.
I just want to say this real quick imagine if it was the other way around like I'm not trying to speak that into existence but imagine if was swapped I feel like no one would care of course that's just my opinion
i just came across this video and honestly it's nice to see one that isn't just ripping Wilbur apart. the world has gone in an interesting direction with how we approach these situations and in the age of social media everyone acts so immaturely. I haven't looked into it since it first happened bc Wilbur is one of my top 3 gaming youtubers and it actually built this whole controversy in my head. Hate builds clout. You cannot deny that. So does controversy. On another note I will say that what happene to Shubble is awful, but I would like for her to be a bit more up front about exactly what happened. It's nice to see a video actually taking the time to look at both side bc people forget there is more than one side and for all we truly know Will could be in the clear. Something is missing and more could be said by shubble. I'll be awaiting another response from Will through one of your videos, you have earned another subscriber my friend :)
I have also heard that she did this same accusation with her other exs which ruined their reputation maybe shes after wilbur? Yes wilbur might have bit shelby but the situation isnt really much proof if you think about it bc i am neutral so idk who to choose on side but i am kinda taking wilbur side
I thought about this for a long time, and I've always believed that no matter the outcome, I am upset with shelby. I understand that if what she's saying is correct, she deserves to feel upset, but there's a point where you need to let go. I've been in a situation where a partner of mine was very hurtful towards me, despite my wanting more respect, and after we broke up I was upset and angry for a while, I would vent sometimes but after a while I let it go. I never truly got over it completely, but there's a point and time where you need to let go of your wants from this person, everything you expected, everything you needed, you need to let that person go to heal. That includes letting them live their life, it's unfair to constantly target someone after you said what you needed or wanted to say, it's just vindictive and spiteful behavior and completely unacceptable. My ex was horribly mentally ill and narcissistic, I understood that as much as I wanted to villainize them, they were a person, just like me, and that even though I don't want to be around them, that doesn't mean I should make sure nobody else does either. Speak out, for sure. But especially if the ex was mentally unstable , don't actively do things to worsen their life, all that does is entwine this person you don't want to be around in your life more. If you want to tangle yourself in someone else's life you will get tangled in theirs.
the only problem with shubbles accusation is that we don’t have any proof that she tried to stop Wilbur all we have is what she said and Wilbur’s response. And people just went on and attacked wiulber and just taking aside with out any information to clarify on the situation. Onestly this seems,s like it is like the George not found situation because of the way the people announced that they where the victim. But the way they did it could esily be changed the story like how cati did and now shubble is kind of doing it to by saying that it was bitting and then changeing it to abuse after people thinking it was like abuse witch is kinda suspicious to me.
I really hope it's all just miscommunication, and we move along, because Wilbur is genuinely one of if not my #1 favorite content creator, and I would hat to see him leave forever
@@TinaGepster Yes but she clearly didn't do that stream with the intent of starting drama or cancelling Wilbur or she would've directly said his name or be less subtle about who she's talking about
@@seanpsmith09 she was already specific enough to where people immediately figured it out though. "Person I dated in 2022, who lives miles away" and then she said "he has done it before and WILL do it again", is this not a call to action to get people to stop him? She may not have said his name, but if her intent wasn't to cancel him she did a pretty bad job of not doing that lol
You have a level head on your shoulders! It's nice to see somebody who is neutral in the matter who has some solid evidence and facts. Good video, hope more people find this.
I don't check Twitter often, and I don't think I know every single piece of it. But from what I do know and being a victim myself, I don't believe Shelby was a victim. It sounds like a miscommunication that she's trying to get clout from. Her popularity was nowhere near wilbers, and honestly, I didn't even know who she was before this whole thing started.
Finally someone with the right opinion. The issue at hand is that shubble was being hurt by the bite, of which is consensual. But in wilburs apology. (Which still sucks by the way) he says that he was surprised when this was the case. Along with no other evidence for either side, this leaves us with a situation of who says what, and taking either persons side ends up being fucking stupid. I dont support either of them until there is more context.
@@Emitopiayeah not like she has a social media account where she feels super comfortable showing her arms and legs to the world, even around the time of the “abuse”. Sure she could have makeup, but given how traumatic the event is, it is strange her level of comfort, don’t you think?
@@fresiathesweet yeah, also she states “he only cares about money and fame”. Then use a technique called blackmail to prevent the abuse. The very threat of exposition would deter the abuse if all all her other claims are true, if you look at it unbiasedly then it is obvious she was consenting to be bitten lol, which ain’t abuse. She is legit a content creator I don’t see why the threat of exposing him during the relationship would be so hard for her to come up with.
I’m on Wilbur’s side because she wasn’t clear how hard she let him bite her that’s the first thing and second thing why just come out with all of this from no where all of that was private information between them to figure out not us third we need proof you can’t just come out of nowhere and fourth way did she let him bite her in the first place like I know you can bite somebody softly but also you can’t just not know that a bit from somebody won’t hurt
Honestly I'm not completely sure who I believe yet but I am leaning more towards shubbles side. Unlike the anonymous people that hurt dream shubble has a lot more to lose, which is why she didn't say Wilburs name once in her first stream. I'm also more inclined to believe her because Nikki who knew Wilbur for a long time has said she doesn't look back on her friendship with him as a happy time in her life, and there have been more people that have come out with claims of rape. With dream, most distanced from him but nobody made public statements of against him, but with Wilbur so many people spoke out, and his of his closest friends Phil shared his support for shubble, and Tommy straight up just stopped mentioning Will altogether which is truly what's making me lean more towards Shubble's side which I'll probably be on until he drops like important information
One should not automatically support somebody who has been harmed without any proof. You must put in efforts to carry out a full examination of what had happened, get all facts that matter and then draw conclusions which are necessary for that matter. This way ensures that fairness prevails as well as respect for all parties concerned. As someone studying law (specifically LL.D. going for postgraduate) you wouldn't believe the rise of statistics of false allegations in the last 15 years (roughly 350.000 in the US alone, and that is outside the internet!) Testimony does not equal evidence or proof, and any living human being has the obligation and right to presume the legal principle of innocence until further proven guilty in court. That aside my subjective perspective is that Wilbur is innocent because of lack of action concerning Shelby's side (didn't take this to court / neither did post any further in-depth information on the case) which is probably a result of envy.
@@Polybius_fr the longest bite marks take to heal is about a week and thats with risk of infections etc so it obviously wouldnt be that bad. its a little weird that you're trying so hard to push down a victim of abuse, especially when wilburs friends also came out saying how manipulative he is etc. im not sure what makes you think hes a good person
honestly I’m taking Wilbur’s side. Shelby didn’t seem or sound sincere, she’s accused all her exes of abuse, she had her fans send death threats, doxxing nd other stuff and she was happy abt the awful things she was doing. Especially with her using the girl who accused gnf of sa but was found out a liar that tried changing her story 3 times as an example or excuse dunno the right word. Wilbur denied pysixhal abuse and he had bruises on his face and skin before, showing that she could have done it instead. Wilbur’s friends are also coming back and supporting him after they were on shelbys side which also shows that he’s not the problem.
Personally, I think they both have issues they need to sort out, and lack of full communication and understanding led to a situation like this. Will has talked a bit about his mental health in the past, and it wouldn't surprise me (or probably anyone else) if he has depression. We also learned from Shelby that she doesn't believe in depression, and she probably didn't fully understand what he was going through at the time. The biting by itself isn't enough for this (especially since it was consensual - something Shelby contradicted herself on and tried to gaslight people into believing she didn't); I believe that this could be a couple different situations: 1. She's over-exaggerating and maybe has a complete grudge against him somehow 2. He did unintentionally cause her pain and she didn't communicate fully or correctly (I wouldn't be surprised if he's not great with social cues either), which still wouldn't even qualify as abuse because it wasn't intentional Either way, he doesn't deserve all the hate he's getting and I hope that people can eventually move on from this (sorry this was so long)
im on Wil's side bc im waiting for proof, like unedited proof that Wil actually did it, intill then i'll be on Wilbur's side cause she said the same thing bout another ex and got proofed lying about it
So far I don’t really trust either of them. Shubbles accounts seem quite vague and inconsequential, but the other claims people have been sharing about Wilbur seem much more emotional and credible. Many of his friends and ex friends have shared some of his aggressive tendencies. Overall, I think the death threats and mobbing against him are completely ridiculous. He didn’t murder anyone, even if he is an asshole.
It annoys me so much to strongly feel that this case is lacking so much proof. I'm supposed to be a wilbur fan, for now l'm just completely neutral about the whole situation. And then what next? I don't hella know:/
Also biting is a form of love language, it's cuteness aggression, when you find something so unbearably adorable you want to squeeze or bite it. I'm more certain its that and her finding something to accuse him of rather than him actually abusing her
I'm honesty not on either side because I feel bad for Will but at the same time I've seen clips from a complication of Wilbur and Nikki clips with some containg evidence that he could of abused her. But, who am I to say that he did because it could have been them joking around. Honestly, I just want Wilbur to get the help he needs for his mental health!
Okay... I didn't know about This controversy against wilbur. This isn't AS bad as recent events with Kris Tyson and other people... I mean... biting your partner with consent isn't that bad. Like it definitely isnt as bad as recent events with other celebrities.
The thing that rubbed me the wrong way the MOST from Shelby was how she said that "this person is dangerous and to be careful" and then not providing a name, leaving the internet divided between playing detective, supporting her, or defending Wilbur (sense she did give out a description and people were already pointing fingers at him). It wasn't until Wilbur responded that we got the confirmation on who it was. If you want to "protect" people, don't be vague and speak up. You're already talking about the abuse, why not talk about WHO the abuse is coming from. Sure, maybe for legal reasons she couldn't speak on the name, but at least give out a BETTER description
I agree with some of these comments it's innocent until proven guilty just because someone says they've done something doesn't mean they've done it and I like to point out this detail imagine if it was the other way around what if wilber was crying out and telling people that she did something to him I feel like no one would care or it wouldn't get this viral
I honestly thought this situation was ridiculous because it really was more of a personal matter that should have been dealt and settled personally/privately. None of us “bystanders” were there for any of these relationships nor understand neither of the individuals on a personal level so hence we should have nothing to say about them.
I feel that I believe shubble but you making two videos within 2 weeks is slightly to much and I don’t want to argue I want your honest opinion but did u say he was a abuser in your last video? Again no drama just curious
I still stand by the fact he’s most likely an abuser, but in my opinion there could be a lot more to the story than we know, this video isn’t meant to be in defense of wilbur or anything like that, I just suggest the possibility of details being left out.
@@ՏwoopIve waited for months for evidence, and im starting to think there won’t be if there was it would’ve been taken to court. Was he a bad boyfriend yes he admitted that but he never admitted to purposely abusing her. It still seems like two adults that weren’t clear with their relationship.
i hate when people blindly take victims sides thats what happened with Dream and it was all proven false or the victim just stopped saying anything and disappeared but most people still say hes a groomer like ? when did innocent till proven guilty just stop like wtf I hope that what was said about willbur was not true and even if it is i cant see him doing that for no reason 1005 got to be some serious mental issue there but anyway thats my take on this bs
Of course that's just my opinion but yeah I agree with innocent until proven guilty I have looked everywhere and I have not seen that much evidence other than the stream and his tweets but tweets don't really hit any marks I just feel like people love jumping on the hating people bandwagon without thinking about it
I couldn’t care less what he did in his personal life or in his relationship. I only care about his content and his content was awesome, so I don’t want his content to stop being made. So yeah, I hate those people who joke about him being a “terrible person”
Take it to the police ❌
Take it to the internet ✅
Seriously, if it was as bad as she says WHY DIDN'T SHE GO TO THE POLICE
Idk much about laws, but I think I heard from somewhere that after a few months or a year or whatever, you can’t report abuse.
Thats what george drama 'victim' taught people by saying it herself lol
At first, I was blindly taking Shelby's side. The news was too shocking to even think straight. But after some time and after everything calmed down, more info started leaking. It was the time for some real evidence from her side, which she never provided. You can cover up bruises, but not bites. They can be really nasty.
She also permanently damaged Wilbur's reputation, and he probably will not recover from it unless there will be some more explanations. She did so much harm and even liked people's comments who wished harm upon Wilbur. The best lie you can tell if you will include the truth in it. I believe that Wilbur was biting her, and Shelby agreed to it. Im certain that the guy has issues. But this entire situation should have never left their bedroom. I just hope he will recover from it since he was visibly pale and skinny. Hopefully, if he is actually guilty, he will also go to the therapist.
We still need more info
Someone said that Shelby said the same about her other ex boyfriends and also people say she wore revealing clothes so the marks would be very visible
@likila284 I think this is the most clear-headed way to think of things. I wish more people would think more about this situation critically.
@@Ellies_editsyeah it’s true she did lie about her other ex’s so they would get cancled etc
Wilbur was the one who had the bruises during the relationship and Shelby didn't have any mark on her. That's pretty weird NGL
Nahh why am I only hearing this now... This literally makes my heart break even more
It's going on for 4 months, how come this never ends 😭
welcome to minecraft drama
@ignOutwork meanwhile, i'm here drawing and suffering in silence as the audience 😞
The length of this drama has been going on as the drama in my friend group 😭😭 but actually like why tho
Se fosses brasileiro ou alguma pessoa que fala português terias visto a treta do Raluca que dura a mais de 1 ano.
@@ThatSwanBlossom honestly, swoop might be right. Swoop is definitely onto something frfr
For now the situation is just what she said what he said type sh
Did innocent till proven guilty die out or something?
Yes.. As a matter of fact.
People don't care to do it like that.
And they cause fire and fuel it, including their blind Internet justice..
Like fucking hell..
Some people are talking about other problems people had with Wilbursoot, but they are ones that can be dealth with, LEGALLY...
Not blind internet justice..
In their heads, they don't need proof. Or testimony is proof. It's not.
On the internet that statement is the other way around.
Its been 5 fucking months
@@Devilspade And it has never been ended.
It needs an end otherwise sh*T will go Downhill.
Wilbur and shubble both aren’t taking the situation correctly in my opinion to be fair
exactly! Shubble doesn't provide any proves for any of her words and Wilbur for some reason can't make an explanation video like George and Dream did, for example
besides, the whole situation could be discussed in their DMs between only the two of them, because what can be private should stay private. feels like Shubble is doing it all for her popularity now and Will is just... ignoring it? which is also wrong, he should know that the hate won't stop until he makes a proper response
I think the situation shouldn't even be online, not like this.
Looking at that I think wilbur doing it correctly.
This is something that is supposed to be done privat.
@@dorabukovics4337 that's exactly what I'm saying, YES! what can be private should stay private, especially when someone's career or personal life depends on it
@@dorabukovics4337 as a SA survivor I sighed when she handled it the way she did we don’t even have proof first of all and second she decided to share it with her mainly minor audience like… it should of been private
@@klutzzynerd exactly
Is no one gonna notice Shubble's pattern of lying about her exes in the past and constant cheating whilst in a relationship with Wilbur? Also, she obviously doesn't understand what a safeword is. Pieces of her story are also inconsistent. Like the fact she said he'd show off the marks to friends..sooo..how come said friends had no clue about such a thing apart from the on camera biting?
Then there's the "he locked me in his house" point. He was living with his parents during said time. I cannot support someone with so many holes in their story. Not to mention there have been some photos resurfacing of Wilbur with bruises during the time he was dating Shubble. We clearly do not have the full story. Women can also be manipulators and abusers within a relationship.
Before you read the rest of this comment, I just want to say I'm NOT trying to take sides, nor am I trying to excuse Wilbur's actions if the allegations are, in fact, true.
When this thing all started, I was hesitant to take sides mainly because of the lack of proof from Shubble. I waited until Wilbur made his statement about it. After Wilbur publicly apologised, he received a lot of backlash from people claiming that his response wasn't genuine, and that he was trying to make the situation about him. To be honest, I agreed with what people were saying. After reading the apology a couple of times it did feel that way. However given the pressure and circumstances he was facing, it would be nearly impossible to create a perfect response. I doubt he was thinking about his wording when he was writing the apology, he just wanted to get a first response across. I agree with your point about Wilbur waiting a few months to make a final statement.
Another reason I was hesitant to take a side was because being a long time fan of Wilbur, I knew he struggled with mental problems. I want to make this clear again, I'm NOT trying to excuse Wilbur of his actions. I just want to point out that it's difficult to immediately accuse someone of something without stepping in their shoes first. We don't know what was going on through his mind when he was allegedly biting Shubble. And speaking of biting (correct me if I'm wrong here), it's a pretty strange habit to have, and I just think there's more to the situation than meets the eye. I also think it's very weird that all of a sudden EVERYONE is getting involved with their personal matters. There's a reason Shubble didn't mention her abuser on her stream, and I think we should have respected her decision of keeping this information private instead of throwing out allegations. Shubble kept her abuser secret for a reason.
I was scrolling through the comments on Lovejoy's music video for Call Me What You Like and I saw a comment that pointed out something very strange. That music video was released a year ago, which meant that it was about the time Shubble and Wilbur broke up. However, Shubble appears in the music video. I'm not trying to throw shade at Shubble and accuse her of lying, I'm just simply curious why she'd agree to film a music video with her alleged abusive ex.
Finally, the last point I want to make is in a situation like this, it's not about the abuser, it's about the victim. Go support Shubble and other victims of abuse and domestic violence. Supporting Shubble does NOT mean sending death threats to Wilbur. Leave Wilbur and other alleged abusers out of the image. My heart goes out to all victims of abuse, we hear you and we're with you through whatever you're going through.
Edit: I just realised this, has no one looked into Wilbur's lyrics in Lovejoy songs? Those songs and lyrics came out way before Shubble said ANYTHING about this. The lyrics were clearly talking about abuse, from WILBUR'S perspective, as the victim. And what makes this really weird is that Call Me What You Like is one of those songs, however Shubble appears in the music video.
I just went and did some more research and found something that Shubble's "cousin" wrote. I don't think it's actually real, and it is her cousin, but if it is real then it's pretty safe to say that Shubble was also an abuser (although I really don't think it was Shubble's cousin, the whole text seemed fake).
Yeah Lovejoys new song lyrics are extremely interesting theres definitely something up, tommy also never actually addressed the situation. It also seems suspicious that the members of Lovejoy didn't kick will out. I feel like they wouldn't tolerate that kind of behavior. Shubble also supported caiti and her allegations were proved to be incorrect and she was just trying to get attention. She has changed her story multiple times. George also didn't know she was underaged because she was drinking so why would she be underaged drinking??? Will also addressed the situation that was not an apology. Shubble seemed to get kind of aggressive after his apology? It just seems strange all of this.
shubble didnt even have to make this so called "abuse', public , she basically ruined wills reputation.
Its just that he has this biting problem that my friend also has for some reason, it is annoying and painful but i dont mind it much
she should've taken this privately.
I doubt the Call Me What You Like video was uploaded that close to the filming date. Getting a music video filmed, edited, colour-graded etc can take weeks. Unless we learn the actual dates of these events, this evidence is too vague to really draw conclusions.
Something I noticed after the allegations came out was multiple people were coming out with their stories, but one of them was about Tubbo. The allegation was proved a lie because there were many things the accuser didn’t think about, like the time and how Tubbo doesn’t have a license. I just thought it was weird how someone just randomly spoke/accused someone out of the blue.
I’m proud most have been able to speak about their stories. You all are survivors and are cared about and loved.
The person who posted the Tubbo thing confirmed that it was just a social experiment to see how fast they could make something go viral I think
Honestly I’ve been thinking the same thing. A lot of people are immediately taking Shubble’s side, but honestly I just don’t see anything that actually shows he did any of this. Because a lot of people are just saying the biting in general is bad, but she DID consent to it. I’ve also been thinking about how this just seems to be off for some reason. EVERYONE is getting accused of stuff. George, dream, now Will? It just doesn’t seem like something he would do, he seems like a good person. Poor communication is most likely the cause, and I’m glad you brought that up. I just wish we knew EXACTLY what happened, like you said. What texts? Wilbur has stated that some messages made him think it was consensual, but I just need proof. It’s hard for me to immediately believe when someone is accused, because so many things are just lies. I also wonder… are there specific things Wilbur can’t say because of legal reasons?
Honestly I think people believed Shubble more because numerous content creators who had direct contact with him also share the same experience that they just brush it off.
Billzo went off about how Will treated him and his friends, it's still up there on Twt.
Minx explained how she lost her friends after Will's false accusation about her trying to drown him in a toilet.
Niki with her horrible experience living with him in the UK.
A lot of his fans come up to different platforms to explain about their interactions with Wilbur's aggressive behavior when he's in a bad mood.
Fundy's meetup video showing Will's house with a damaged wall that Will admitted he did ruined it, and Fundy even said it's not healthy.
He also on a regular basis, punched the table as loud as possible when he didn't get what he wanted, and made everything shake with violence. Yeah I guess it's a common gamer trait, but it's a worrying sign still if he did it on the daily basis.
@@Lorraine.20 You do make a good point. I guess I just have a hard time believing everything because of how much stuff (that is similar to these allegations) has been proven false and because of just how I saw him interact with people he was close to. Phil, Tommy, Techno- and the gamer rage thing I get so much- I have a little brother, and that’s really all the explanation required. I guess Wilbur and the whole community made up a lot of my childhood and have been comforting for years whenever I feel down and then it starts breaking apart like this- it really hurts man. And I do get that there are a lot of people explaining it, so yeah, that makes sense. Like I stated before, he’s always seemed like a good person, and a lot of things he’s said when he was serious has just resonated with me. I’m very distrusting of people, so my mindset is always that I need SOMETHING other than he said she said. But he does have a lot of people against him.
Wtf none reading that
I'm reading it :/@@ScalarHD
I just want to say this real quick imagine if it was the other way around like I'm not trying to speak that into existence but imagine if was swapped I feel like no one would care of course that's just my opinion
i just came across this video and honestly it's nice to see one that isn't just ripping Wilbur apart. the world has gone in an interesting direction with how we approach these situations and in the age of social media everyone acts so immaturely. I haven't looked into it since it first happened bc Wilbur is one of my top 3 gaming youtubers and it actually built this whole controversy in my head. Hate builds clout. You cannot deny that. So does controversy. On another note I will say that what happene to Shubble is awful, but I would like for her to be a bit more up front about exactly what happened. It's nice to see a video actually taking the time to look at both side bc people forget there is more than one side and for all we truly know Will could be in the clear. Something is missing and more could be said by shubble. I'll be awaiting another response from Will through one of your videos, you have earned another subscriber my friend :)
It is odd that lovejoy has stuck by will
And Tommy hasn't said anything about the situation. He hasn't made any videos with him either. I think thats also suspicious
@@spidore2706suspicious how bruh
I have also heard that she did this same accusation with her other exs which ruined their reputation maybe shes after wilbur? Yes wilbur might have bit shelby but the situation isnt really much proof if you think about it bc i am neutral so idk who to choose on side but i am kinda taking wilbur side
If Wilbur is proven innocent, officially 2 British guys have been wrongly accused
Thank you for being neutral in this entire situation. This video feels refreshing
I thought about this for a long time, and I've always believed that no matter the outcome, I am upset with shelby. I understand that if what she's saying is correct, she deserves to feel upset, but there's a point where you need to let go. I've been in a situation where a partner of mine was very hurtful towards me, despite my wanting more respect, and after we broke up I was upset and angry for a while, I would vent sometimes but after a while I let it go. I never truly got over it completely, but there's a point and time where you need to let go of your wants from this person, everything you expected, everything you needed, you need to let that person go to heal. That includes letting them live their life, it's unfair to constantly target someone after you said what you needed or wanted to say, it's just vindictive and spiteful behavior and completely unacceptable. My ex was horribly mentally ill and narcissistic, I understood that as much as I wanted to villainize them, they were a person, just like me, and that even though I don't want to be around them, that doesn't mean I should make sure nobody else does either. Speak out, for sure. But especially if the ex was mentally unstable , don't actively do things to worsen their life, all that does is entwine this person you don't want to be around in your life more. If you want to tangle yourself in someone else's life you will get tangled in theirs.
the only problem with shubbles accusation is that we don’t have any proof that she tried to stop Wilbur all we have is what she said and Wilbur’s response. And people just went on and attacked wiulber and just taking aside with out any information to clarify on the situation. Onestly this seems,s like it is like the George not found situation because of the way the people announced that they where the victim. But the way they did it could esily be changed the story like how cati did and now shubble is kind of doing it to by saying that it was bitting and then changeing it to abuse after people thinking it was like abuse witch is kinda suspicious to me.
I really hope it's all just miscommunication, and we move along, because Wilbur is genuinely one of if not my #1 favorite content creator, and I would hat to see him leave forever
I think an important note is that Shubble never mentioned she was talking about Wilbur Soot in her first stream
She’s confirmed it now
@@TinaGepster Yes but she clearly didn't do that stream with the intent of starting drama or cancelling Wilbur or she would've directly said his name or be less subtle about who she's talking about
@@seanpsmith09 she was already specific enough to where people immediately figured it out though. "Person I dated in 2022, who lives miles away" and then she said "he has done it before and WILL do it again", is this not a call to action to get people to stop him? She may not have said his name, but if her intent wasn't to cancel him she did a pretty bad job of not doing that lol
@@seanpsmith09People like you are so insufferable, your comment is illogical that it’s actually painful to read.
She didnt have to say anything, Wilbur literally admitted it...
You have a level head on your shoulders! It's nice to see somebody who is neutral in the matter who has some solid evidence and facts. Good video, hope more people find this.
I don't check Twitter often, and I don't think I know every single piece of it. But from what I do know and being a victim myself, I don't believe Shelby was a victim. It sounds like a miscommunication that she's trying to get clout from. Her popularity was nowhere near wilbers, and honestly, I didn't even know who she was before this whole thing started.
Finally someone with the right opinion. The issue at hand is that shubble was being hurt by the bite, of which is consensual. But in wilburs apology. (Which still sucks by the way) he says that he was surprised when this was the case. Along with no other evidence for either side, this leaves us with a situation of who says what, and taking either persons side ends up being fucking stupid. I dont support either of them until there is more context.
My question is Where is her proof?m
How would she have any proof? she was being bit and by now the bruises would be cleared up
@@Emitopiayeah not like she has a social media account where she feels super comfortable showing her arms and legs to the world, even around the time of the “abuse”. Sure she could have makeup, but given how traumatic the event is, it is strange her level of comfort, don’t you think?
@@pigejeb if he keeps biting her a ton of times why not she just record it for proof?
@@fresiathesweet yeah, also she states “he only cares about money and fame”. Then use a technique called blackmail to prevent the abuse. The very threat of exposition would deter the abuse if all all her other claims are true, if you look at it unbiasedly then it is obvious she was consenting to be bitten lol, which ain’t abuse.
She is legit a content creator I don’t see why the threat of exposing him during the relationship would be so hard for her to come up with.
@@pigejebYou're excuses are shit.
I’m on Wilbur’s side because she wasn’t clear how hard she let him bite her that’s the first thing and second thing why just come out with all of this from no where all of that was private information between them to figure out not us third we need proof you can’t just come out of nowhere and fourth way did she let him bite her in the first place like I know you can bite somebody softly but also you can’t just not know that a bit from somebody won’t hurt
I got a theory. There's a secret organization dedicated to taking down MC RUclipsrs/ Streamers for the sake of it, idk?
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MC illuminati???
no its just dumb kids
Pretty much all RUclipsrs at this stage bro ☠️☠️☠️
Why is nobody here?
RUclips is sniping me
@@Տwoop they missed me 😀
Because this is a crappy stance
@@thekishin8903 I’d love to hear your thoughts about it
@@Տwoop im here
Honestly I'm not completely sure who I believe yet but I am leaning more towards shubbles side. Unlike the anonymous people that hurt dream shubble has a lot more to lose, which is why she didn't say Wilburs name once in her first stream. I'm also more inclined to believe her because Nikki who knew Wilbur for a long time has said she doesn't look back on her friendship with him as a happy time in her life, and there have been more people that have come out with claims of rape. With dream, most distanced from him but nobody made public statements of against him, but with Wilbur so many people spoke out, and his of his closest friends Phil shared his support for shubble, and Tommy straight up just stopped mentioning Will altogether which is truly what's making me lean more towards Shubble's side which I'll probably be on until he drops like important information
One should not automatically support somebody who has been harmed without any proof. You must put in efforts to carry out a full examination of what had happened, get all facts that matter and then draw conclusions which are necessary for that matter. This way ensures that fairness prevails as well as respect for all parties concerned. As someone studying law (specifically LL.D. going for postgraduate) you wouldn't believe the rise of statistics of false allegations in the last 15 years (roughly 350.000 in the US alone, and that is outside the internet!) Testimony does not equal evidence or proof, and any living human being has the obligation and right to presume the legal principle of innocence until further proven guilty in court. That aside my subjective perspective is that Wilbur is innocent because of lack of action concerning Shelby's side (didn't take this to court / neither did post any further in-depth information on the case) which is probably a result of envy.
There are no claims of rape against Wilbur what?? This situation is about him being violent not sexually abusive
did wilbur say he will be going to go to therapy? - is shelby going to therapy rn?
Tbh wilbur look so skinny.
He’s probably on drugs 🤷♀️
Probably cause he is doing drugs 🤷♀️
One thing, why would she tell us now?
Long story short she said it was consensual and she had NO bruises when they were together! So i dont believe Shubble :3
long story short she used a safe word and he still continued biting her and HURTING her. that is abuse
@@oli984 Ok where are the bruises. And i get that bruises can heal but a bite mark that she said was "really hard" would be there wouldnt it?
@@Polybius_fr the longest bite marks take to heal is about a week and thats with risk of infections etc so it obviously wouldnt be that bad. its a little weird that you're trying so hard to push down a victim of abuse, especially when wilburs friends also came out saying how manipulative he is etc. im not sure what makes you think hes a good person
So…am I safe to wear my lovejoy hoodie in public or no?😭
I don't think so. I don't want you to get jumped 😭
@@lotuzribbon Tyy😭
Sadly not yet
Nobody knows who they are outside of a small amount of Minecraft fans so I think you’re fine lmao
Sorry that this isn’t related to the subject but MURDER DRONES FAN??
honestly I’m taking Wilbur’s side. Shelby didn’t seem or sound sincere, she’s accused all her exes of abuse, she had her fans send death threats, doxxing nd other stuff and she was happy abt the awful things she was doing. Especially with her using the girl who accused gnf of sa but was found out a liar that tried changing her story 3 times as an example or excuse dunno the right word. Wilbur denied pysixhal abuse and he had bruises on his face and skin before, showing that she could have done it instead. Wilbur’s friends are also coming back and supporting him after they were on shelbys side which also shows that he’s not the problem.
Proof that shelby accused her exes of the same thing? Video clips?
@@CharaDreemurrfan you can look for it.
Personally, I think they both have issues they need to sort out, and lack of full communication and understanding led to a situation like this. Will has talked a bit about his mental health in the past, and it wouldn't surprise me (or probably anyone else) if he has depression. We also learned from Shelby that she doesn't believe in depression, and she probably didn't fully understand what he was going through at the time. The biting by itself isn't enough for this (especially since it was consensual - something Shelby contradicted herself on and tried to gaslight people into believing she didn't); I believe that this could be a couple different situations:
1. She's over-exaggerating and maybe has a complete grudge against him somehow
2. He did unintentionally cause her pain and she didn't communicate fully or correctly (I wouldn't be surprised if he's not great with social cues either), which still wouldn't even qualify as abuse because it wasn't intentional
Either way, he doesn't deserve all the hate he's getting and I hope that people can eventually move on from this (sorry this was so long)
im on Wil's side bc im waiting for proof, like unedited proof that Wil actually did it, intill then i'll be on Wilbur's side cause she said the same thing bout another ex and got proofed lying about it
So far I don’t really trust either of them. Shubbles accounts seem quite vague and inconsequential, but the other claims people have been sharing about Wilbur seem much more emotional and credible. Many of his friends and ex friends have shared some of his aggressive tendencies. Overall, I think the death threats and mobbing against him are completely ridiculous. He didn’t murder anyone, even if he is an asshole.
It annoys me so much to strongly feel that this case is lacking so much proof. I'm supposed to be a wilbur fan, for now l'm just completely neutral about the whole situation. And then what next? I don't hella know:/
Also biting is a form of love language, it's cuteness aggression, when you find something so unbearably adorable you want to squeeze or bite it. I'm more certain its that and her finding something to accuse him of rather than him actually abusing her
I'm honesty not on either side because I feel bad for Will but at the same time I've seen clips from a complication of Wilbur and Nikki clips with some containg evidence that he could of abused her. But, who am I to say that he did because it could have been them joking around. Honestly, I just want Wilbur to get the help he needs for his mental health!
Okay... I didn't know about This controversy against wilbur. This isn't AS bad as recent events with Kris Tyson and other people...
I mean... biting your partner with consent isn't that bad. Like it definitely isnt as bad as recent events with other celebrities.
He was guilty, but didn't deserve that long of a sentence. (AKA shouldn't have been cancelled)
Bonus with the pic leaking and death threats. Internet is disgusting.
The thing that rubbed me the wrong way the MOST from Shelby was how she said that "this person is dangerous and to be careful" and then not providing a name, leaving the internet divided between playing detective, supporting her, or defending Wilbur (sense she did give out a description and people were already pointing fingers at him). It wasn't until Wilbur responded that we got the confirmation on who it was. If you want to "protect" people, don't be vague and speak up. You're already talking about the abuse, why not talk about WHO the abuse is coming from. Sure, maybe for legal reasons she couldn't speak on the name, but at least give out a BETTER description
Ppl figured out it was him pretty early,so it's safe to say she did give out a good enough description
I’m sorry, but Amber heard and Johnny Depp is that you?
BRO NAH 😭
I was thinking about the same
I’m a really really big fan swoop!!
1 minute wow
I agree with some of these comments it's innocent until proven guilty just because someone says they've done something doesn't mean they've done it and I like to point out this detail imagine if it was the other way around what if wilber was crying out and telling people that she did something to him I feel like no one would care or it wouldn't get this viral
I honestly thought this situation was ridiculous because it really was more of a personal matter that should have been dealt and settled personally/privately.
None of us “bystanders” were there for any of these relationships nor understand neither of the individuals on a personal level so hence we should have nothing to say about them.
Finally someone who isn’t biased :)
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I feel that I believe shubble but you making two videos within 2 weeks is slightly to much and I don’t want to argue I want your honest opinion but did u say he was a abuser in your last video? Again no drama just curious
I still stand by the fact he’s most likely an abuser, but in my opinion there could be a lot more to the story than we know, this video isn’t meant to be in defense of wilbur or anything like that, I just suggest the possibility of details being left out.
@@ՏwoopIve waited for months for evidence, and im starting to think there won’t be if there was it would’ve been taken to court. Was he a bad boyfriend yes he admitted that but he never admitted to purposely abusing her. It still seems like two adults that weren’t clear with their relationship.
Ok ty for clearing it up
Its been months..i cant really tell whos in the wrong anymore :/ i dont know who to support or what to think about the both of them
I miss him sm
i hate when people blindly take victims sides thats what happened with Dream and it was all proven false or the victim just stopped saying anything and disappeared
but most people still say hes a groomer like ?
when did innocent till proven guilty just stop like wtf I hope that what was said about willbur was not true and even if it is i cant see
him doing that for no reason 1005 got to be some serious mental issue there but anyway thats my take on this bs
yea, it was innocent till proven guilty, now it's guilty till proven innocent😭
I don’t support Wilbur at all because he’s an abuser, but I also don’t support Shelby for other reasons
Of course that's just my opinion but yeah I agree with innocent until proven guilty I have looked everywhere and I have not seen that much evidence other than the stream and his tweets but tweets don't really hit any marks I just feel like people love jumping on the hating people bandwagon without thinking about it
I couldn’t care less what he did in his personal life or in his relationship. I only care about his content and his content was awesome, so I don’t want his content to stop being made. So yeah, I hate those people who joke about him being a “terrible person”
this is not an abuse case they just didnt communicate anything to each other
She only mind when it starts hurting. So thats the same thing as telling someone to stop speaking so loud because its annoying.
YOU AMAZING HUMAN BEING 🙏🙏🙏🙏
does he not look like really really REALLY skinny does not look healthy 1005 something going on
I used to love Wilbur but bc everyone who knew him off screen who knew the real him supports shubble
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bro if she wanted to proof it then show like bite marks pretty easy but she didnt?
why the hell did she even randomly come out about this sounds hell sus to me
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Innocent