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@@jonbgreen6916 As shown in this video, the light requires a certain amount of vertical height for optimal coverage. This makes it great for commercial growing in an open warehouse style layout. The primary situation where bar lights excel would be for tight vertical clearances like racks. Otherwise, there's really no reason to stay away from this type of light.
he only US labor on an HLG is loading the Japanese LED board stuffers and putting quantum boards into a shipping. box. The LEDs and and PC board are all made overseas.
@@Albopepper Thank you for responding ... we enjoy your videos. btw... can you do a video on how much the the Samsung/Osram LED fixtures dim over time? For all I know 2 years down the road they lose 20 percent lumen so your stuck with a brick. I want to migrate from HPS but nobody has done long term. Do have and links to long term test? Thank you a million, Mack
The term to search for is "lumen maintenance." The LM301B diodes are marketed for being both highly efficient and also for having higher lumen maintenance vs many other diodes on the market. I'd love to see more info on the topic as well. I've had to dig through various product specification pages and even still, it's hard to get concrete numbers and specs for comparison. I know the Samsung diodes perform very well in this regard, but I have yet to find a complete database comparing multiple diode brands and models, let alone when compared to other tech like HIDs and fluorescents.
Thank you for your wonderful Content as It is so helpful to the new grower. I just purchased a SF 2000 spider farmer light as well as a 2 x 4 grow tent for auto flowers. Hoping you can share with me your favorite light hanging height and intensity on the dimmer knob for the seedling, veg, and flower stages of the plant.
New update on Samsung lm3s dont last as long as souel semiconductor leds under 85f after 2000 hours a loss 10 % compared to 2% souel semiconductor leds
Hey gracien, just want to say goodluck to you. My community and myself included just suffered a very bad harvest failure, it have been raining non stop here and it caused a lot of flooding that damaged a lot of plants and the one that survive dies from fungal or bacterial infection, it's especially bad considering the state of the world right now so I'm wishing nothing that happened here ever happen to you
LOL, thanks! Yeah it took a little time, but the numbers should help people to see the overall light distribution. Hopefully it serves as a useful reference!
@@Albopepper sorry USA, was thinking going by your vid that by clicking on the link provided I would save more than just ordering it directly from Amazon and not using your link. Your price is the same....
Waiting excitedly for my 2000. I bought LEDs like three years ago, those purple and red things and was far from impressed. Looking forward to finally be able to ditch my HPS.
the new 2021 sf 4000 has way better light distribution they spread the diodes in the center and packed them in tight around the corners. you can get really good par values on the edge's without getting too hot in the center. glad to see spider farmer taking feedback on their lights and making improvments.
The original way to dim was a total joke and waste of time, but the upgrade is now exceptionally awesome, good save Spider farm I'm buying a grow kit once I sell this guitar on Ebay Australia :-)
I’ve got 2 of these mounted on light movers in tents. I am very much using them wrong, but because I know how I’m using them wrong, I’m using them “right” for what I’m doing. I’ve got one fixture per 4x8, and have some shadows as it moves all the way. But, i do think this can cover a 4x6 tent on a mover and give the maximum potential yeild the light can with relative ease.
Thanks to you and migro I think there's a lot off people that ain't gettripped off thanks to you both,I sold mh hps but now young folks want leds mars spider vivosun hlg bloomplus I like the mars if you can get it cheap enough
Another great review and appreciated. Nice job! Might have been an improvement for Spider Farmer to space the four boards out, instead of clustering them for better corner coverage and more even lighting.
Good observation Matt! Yes, spacing out each board would provide more even coverage. That would be most crucial for growers who are limited on vertical space.
Hypothetical question: If I make an array of ultra-high-efficiency home-lighting LEDs, like the one you show at 6:23 (say in the 120 lumen per watt category), would these be an okayish alternative for grow-lights? If I supplement the warm-white with a few "special" LEDs, say 395nm or 750nm, would it make growth meaningfully better? I'm not looking for "medicinal" plants, just kitchen-garden herbs; the ridiculously cheap home-lights (2024) are skewing the "bang for the buck" story, imo.
The fact that you could even get ahold of Samsung to find out the reason for price fluctuations is amazing. Gives me faith that someday I might be able to source leds from them. Hahah JK prob not. Idk if it’s because of Covid but I can’t even get the led stars, or individual diodes to reflow myself that I’m looking for. I just made one 730nm module to add to my HLG650R lights. I wanted to see if I could do it first( never even soldered until now) so I only ordered 21 triple 20mm star mcpcb for a small Slate single QB648 light. I’m trying to go 1:1 wattage wise with the 730nm to Quantum Board total( I know it’s not commonly used at all let alone at this level )
Great figures breakdown, very informative, easy to understand and super helpful! Abs love it, lots of really valuable info, excellent for newbies, keep doing more! 👌
I just received my SF4000 today, glad I found your video today as I was setting it up. I am a little perplexed as to setting the distance though. My setup is a 4x4 grow tent. I have several items in there but more importantly I have a chili plant in hydro that’s flowering but wondering as too optimal distance and dimmer setting. I currently have it set to about 18in per the manual. Eventually I will move the other items out once last freeze is safely gone for my zone.
Curious what do you mean special flowers?....lol JK you would have to be a special kind of stupid not to catch on, I've noticed a lot of guys that were straight gardeners alluding to the same special crops in the last few years.
I bought the sf 4000 to grow herbs and it's doing great.i have a fan constantly blowing on the top power supplies to keep them really cool and hopefully make it last alot longer.i bought it because of your review of it.thanks
Thanks for sharing the last thing I need to complete my I door growing set up this winter has been the lights so much misleading online it's hard to decide what light set up to buy
Hey Albo, really love the content. I could tell you put so much attention to detail into your videos. I have a question regarding finding the optimal distance from canopy + how hard to drive the lights. I'm currently using 5 strips of samsung SI-B8VZ91B20WW in a 4x4'. Each strip gets 100W so total of 500W(max driver can go). I can get same amount of PPFD if 12" from canopy while using 300-400watt as opposed to 20-30" at full 500W. Which would you pick and why?
I've tested the color spectrum of these Spider Farmer lights using many food plants and all of the plants did well for me. But this model is very high wattage. I'm going to use it for seedlings, but I'll be dimming it way down to 100W. I'm covering a 30" x 30" area. It doesn't make sense to purchase such a strong light and then dim it so low. You just want to grow in a small area, under the footprint of the light, is that right?
I have had an older model sf 4000 (dimmer under the drivers) so I’ve used it only at full power for a year now. I grow auto flowers and I’ve come to find out that using it as I have is just fine as long as it is never closer than 20” at any point in the grow cycle. That said, I highly recommend Spider Farmer in general, especially for the price point.
crap just got to the end of the vid and realised i've likely bought a shoddy "sf1000" Been using an unbranded sf4000 for a while but think its too bright
Would you say Id be ok to plug 2 sf4000s daisy chained into a surge protector in my apartment? I have a 4x8 tent that Im wanting to go from seed to harvest in. Any suggestions would be much appreciated.
The surge protector should be properly grounded. Two SF4000s should pull about 920W and 7.6 amps. As long as your surge protector can handle that, then I would expect it to be ok. Hope that helps!
What do you think about BXEN-50S-11M-3C-00-0-0 as grow lights? The 50S model has (according to the datasheet) little bit better spectrum with much lower price.
I’m choosing one but to figure out which one I’ve a question: for auto-peppers 😝 20/4hrs what is the DLI to aim for? 500 ppfd x20hr are good or not? Thx
I've done a lot of research on this subject. Whether you're growing auto or photoperiod peppers, Spider Farmer is the best value for money. You cannot go wrong with them.
I am just about to get back in the swing of things and am about to get an sf 1000 wt led. Awesome info. Just discovered you as well. Subscribed and lovin your output. Thanks, man.
I recently bought an sf2000 and they have switched to an uneven diode distribution (biased towards the edges); from pictures, they seem to have done the same to the sf4000. Can we expect more even PPFD coverage?
Hello AlboPepper, to be honest, I am amazed by your reviews. I searched a lot for different lamps reviews and so on. But no one delivered like you did. I started to check out your other videos too and wow ... they are so great. I am so happy that I found you. I studied physics. I am German. I need proper reviews with details, going into the specs. You are the one delivering it. You are outstanding and awesome.
Hi. First of all this was a very great review. What do you think about the Lumatek Zeus 600 Pro (EU) or the Photontek X 600 Pro (North America)? Would you recommend this light for a 5x5 or for a 4x4? Lumatek aka. Photontek says 5x5 too like they did at Spiderfarmers but i'm not sure if the numbers are good enough for a 5x5. I would really appreciate your opinion.
Thanks for watching! I think you are on the right track for a 5x5 area. The higher output units can achieve higher yield for that larger area. I reviewed a similar product here: ruclips.net/video/PCaesi_M5DQ/видео.html That style of light is very nice as it allows you to hang the light much closer to the plant canopy.
When I have the front switch in the on position the dimmer does dim the light, but when at 100% the light is not full brightness. However when I use the rear switch I get full 100% brightness, could this be a fault in the dimmer control. If so I think I may need to contact the manufacturer for a warranty claim. Has anyone else had this problem? Thanks
Hi Lokas. That's an excellent question! I've looked into the specs sheets for the LM301B and compared them to the LM301H. As it turns out, they're the same. You are correct in suspecting that it's all a marketing strategy. The LM301B are rated according to lumens measurements. The LM301H is simply measured and rated for PPF umols. However, they generate the same light!
You should do a review of the Geekbeast Pro 630w vs SF 4000. Which would be better value for money? I understand that the 630 would need to go on a 5x5 due to ppf intensity, but wondering per $ which is the better light for maximum production?
When you compare the total light output vs the cost, both light options offer the same value. So for the smaller 4x4 tents, I would say the SF4000 is ideal (assuming you have adequate vertical clearance). And for 5x5, the Geekbeast model is a really good fit and equivalent in value (PPF/W). The smartphone app is an added bonus too.
Vids like this one sometimes make me really angry. And all because I can give only one like :P Excellent content, super informative - subbed! Keep up the amazing work
i agree 100%. i even bought one for $400 and it didnt compare to the sf4000 side by side so that mixjoy without dimmer went back and got me another sf. Took me awhile to be convinced about leds but after the results of 2 sf4000's runs I am a believer.
@@brianfyffe8204 the appropriate question would be, what is your square footage. All plants require different amounts of light to flourish. Example, lettuce versus "tomatos".
This upgrade is a long time coming friends 👍 I have burned some medicinal peppers with the sf 4000 turned down to two hundred and seventy-five ish Watts. I would have been more prone to turn the intensity back sooner if my light has this upgrade. The very next run I decided to go back to my blurple for veg and save the sf 4000 for flower. It’s a strong light for sure worth the money once I figure the height out better.
I’ve purchased 2 SF2000’s (both from your links) and I am very happy with them! So easy to use and my plants have been phenomenal-can’t ask for more than that. Thanks!
I have been thinking about this video since I saw it the first time a couple months ago. I would like to know what the lowest setting on the dimmer knob one should use, without a reduced yield. I think this light is very strong, and at 100% it's just too much. What do you think? I would like to reduce my electricity consumption with this light, without my plants suffering.
Hi Ellen, could you please describe your grow setup a little? Plant type. Number of plants. Coverage area. Is it in a tent? Perhaps it could be dimmed, but these factors will impact that.
Possibly. If you have it raised fairly high over a large open area, then it might be great. With a brighter light like this, not only could you cover a large area for veg, but you could also reduce the light cycle duration as needed. This might help to ensure that the spinach doesn't bolt.
Hi great video. Looking at leds after a 2 year break. Question is I can pull 12-18 ounces from a hps light over a 4x4 table depending on the strain . Can an led pull these types of weights?...don’t worry just looked at the price for 1 in Australia 1200$....no thanks
Thanks for watching! LEDs can match or even possibly exceed growth of an HPS. It all depends on the light specs, especially the PPF output. Photons are what drive growth and a certain number of photons are needed to achieve a certain amount of plant mass. So you need to pick an LED that matches or possibly exceeds the PPF of the older HPS. This can be done, using less wattage consumption with less heat output. This video gives some tips for comparing HIDs with LEDs: ruclips.net/video/PCaesi_M5DQ/видео.html .
The prices already are down. It's not hard to see a 2 year payback in energy savings by getting a 640W LED system (less than $800). By year 3, the LED is making you money. So no, that wouldn't be too expensive.
brother i think i goofed i got 2 t5 6400k for reveg and clones but now they are ready for transplanting and someone said these done work for full veg or flower. what would you recommend so i dont have to buy another light.
Welcome to my channel! You need much higher light levels than what a fluorescent system offers if you want the optimal yield for those plants. The amount of light you need will depend on the size of your tent, number of plants and the hourly requirements (12hr vs auto). The video lays it out well for this LED. The SF4000 will work great in a 4 x 4 tent. The SF2000 will be good for 2 x 4. These LEDs are more than twice as efficient compared to T5s. So each watt of power will generate more than twice the amount of light.
hello sir. Thank you for what you do. Man you talk about a rabbit hole. Trying to fond the right light for the money is always difficult. I am growing in rows about 4ft wide and the row length is not a big deal because i can put as many as i want long. Would you recommend this light over mars hydro FC3000? Im trying to find the right light for my farm. Being way more informed than I am, what light would you recommend. Like everyone, Im looking for the best light for the money and I defiantly respect your opinion.
To achieve similar light output, you would need nearly three FC3000s for every two SF4000s. If you are tight on vertical clearance, then the FC3000 would be able to be placed closer to the plant canopy (good for rack systems). If you have plenty of height, then the SF4000 can be placed a little higher. Both offer a similar value in price and efficiency. So I would think about how you prefer to place your lights and then go from there. If you are considering multiple Mars Hydro units, you should ask them for an Integrating Sphere report to verify their specs. Their spectral graph doesn't really show Far-Red even though they claim to use diodes for it. And their PPF numbers don't match up. So I would use caution if selecting their product.
@@Albopepper Sir, thank you for the response. I have purchased 12 of the mars hydro FC3000 and no matter what i get underdeveloped "flowers". so i have since purchased 7 of the Enlite Ceres 780W 3500k+660nm. I sure hope they do well. Again, thanks for what you do. Huge help to have a pro to speak with.
I hope someone can help me with this? If you buy the SF 4000 and run it in a 2 * 2.5 tent, couldn't you have your light at 6" above the canopy achieve a very even light spread and use the dimming function to ensure that you don't exceed what the plant can handle?
You have the right idea. The SF4000 could be used over a much smaller area if dimmed down and placed at the appropriate height. This would work, however it's quite an investment for a light that isn't being used at full capacity. If you don't ever intend to run it at 100% then you're sorta wasting your money.
I live in Australia law's are still retarded over here. The cost of the fixture is less important than stealth. Reducing my electrical consumption footprint eases the Burdon of paranoia that comes with illegality. So I am right and can use the inverse law to my advantage. Use the larger light at approx 20 percent for veg and 50 percent for flower get even wall to wall coverage.
i wonder, knowing that the shade color under tree leaves is around 10 000K, you dont want that for your plants and even less lower kelvin. Why dont they use 30 000k for the blue and uv full spectrum? I just purchased full spectrum 380nm-840nm they grow well but all around and some 30 000- 35 000k for veg and lux boost for the lower leaves. Anybody could use yellow and green light to reach higher ppfd and still, it's not the efficient spectrum anymore even if it works for some plant process.
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Can the farmer sf1000 being used on cactiseed and cacti plants?
Do i need a tent (canopy)to use it?
Wait did you say no co2 in medicinal flower ? Whys that exactly please
@@Unkdunk Time stamp please. Sorry, but I don't know what comment you are referring to.
@@Albopepper 4.08
you're the healthiest looking person on you tube. keep on shining Pepper boy!
LOL, thanks for your kind words! :)
@@Albopepper wait how old are you? You look almost ageless...young but very firmly adult. Im getting creepy but we want the secret.
Great job as always. I sometimes refer my viewers to your channel for additional info.
That's awesome! I really appreciate that. :-)
I really love your reviews. You're the reason I bought 3 sf2000's when you reviewed them last time.
Awesome! I'm glad the info is able to help out. Thanks so much for watching!
Bought an sf4000 I’ll never look back. Best light ever, for the price that is.
Good to know it! :)
Agree strongly.
What are some down-sides to this light?
@@jonbgreen6916 As shown in this video, the light requires a certain amount of vertical height for optimal coverage. This makes it great for commercial growing in an open warehouse style layout. The primary situation where bar lights excel would be for tight vertical clearances like racks. Otherwise, there's really no reason to stay away from this type of light.
I replaced 2 600W HPS with 2 of these.
How they working out for you
I’m doing exactly that right now lol but I’m going to keep one 600w hps in with them for now till I see the results 👍
@@trickym5748 I would aswell I'm drawn to these leds but find it hard to not use 600 digitalisation. Hope they do thejob
he only US labor on an HLG is loading the Japanese LED board stuffers and putting quantum boards into a shipping. box. The LEDs and
and PC board are all made overseas.
Indeed. There are no LED diode factories producing grow lights in the US that I am aware of.
@@Albopepper
Thank you for responding ... we enjoy your videos.
btw... can you do a video on how much the
the Samsung/Osram LED fixtures dim over time? For all I know 2 years down the road they lose 20 percent lumen so your stuck with a brick. I want to migrate from HPS
but nobody has done long term. Do have and links to long term test?
Thank you a million,
Mack
The term to search for is "lumen maintenance." The LM301B diodes are marketed for being both highly efficient and also for having higher lumen maintenance vs many other diodes on the market. I'd love to see more info on the topic as well. I've had to dig through various product specification pages and even still, it's hard to get concrete numbers and specs for comparison. I know the Samsung diodes perform very well in this regard, but I have yet to find a complete database comparing multiple diode brands and models, let alone when compared to other tech like HIDs and fluorescents.
Well Im glad I am not the only person who was shocked at the Spider Farmer's efficiency. It is like staring into a thousand suns.
Thank you for your wonderful Content as It is so helpful to the new grower. I just purchased a SF 2000 spider farmer light as well as a 2 x 4 grow tent for auto flowers. Hoping you can share with me your favorite light hanging height and intensity on the dimmer knob for the seedling, veg, and flower stages of the plant.
If I get my own place, I'm get the 4000 to grow some meds
Love how you reference the 'special' crops :)
heheh, thanks for watching! ;)
At 67 years old I was a big HID guy but after replacing my two 315 CMH with a Mars fc6500 I'm sold , the difference is unbelievable and 23c , cool !
New update on Samsung lm3s dont last as long as souel semiconductor leds under 85f after 2000 hours a loss 10 % compared to 2% souel semiconductor leds
You are best gardener out there! Keep us in formed Al. I’m a big fan.
I appreciate your support! Thanks so much for watching. :-)
Hey gracien, just want to say goodluck to you. My community and myself included just suffered a very bad harvest failure, it have been raining non stop here and it caused a lot of flooding that damaged a lot of plants and the one that survive dies from fungal or bacterial infection, it's especially bad considering the state of the world right now so I'm wishing nothing that happened here ever happen to you
so it makes no sense to buy the se 7000 without co2? thx for the videos!
hokey smokes! that was 169 ppfd readings per chart. so... 845 readings for the 5 charts??? Well done!!!
LOL, thanks! Yeah it took a little time, but the numbers should help people to see the overall light distribution. Hopefully it serves as a useful reference!
Loves the vid brother! 💕I really need to upgrade from my old budmaster LED!
Love your videos, keep up the good work!
Thanks for watching and support my channel! :-D
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Very good content, as usual!
Thanks Pedro! I appreciate your positive feedback. :)
Great video I would like to see you review the new viperspetra sx-1500
I'll have to keep that in mind. Thanks Jerry!
Nice review however your prices, using your links are no different than mine. Do you have a discount code? Any info on the SE5000 $599.99 vs 529.99.
What country? There's a lightning deal on this right now in the US. It's only $450 right now for the next 11 hours.
@@Albopepper sorry USA, was thinking going by your vid that by clicking on the link provided I would save more than just ordering it directly from Amazon and not using your link. Your price is the same....
Waiting excitedly for my 2000. I bought LEDs like three years ago, those purple and red things and was far from impressed. Looking forward to finally be able to ditch my HPS.
I hope it's a great upgrade for you! :)
@@Albopepper Wow, that thing is bright. I think I'm going to need to run her at less than 100%. Is 44K lux 44,000!!!🤜
the new 2021 sf 4000 has way better light distribution they spread the diodes in the center and packed them in tight around the corners. you can get really good par values on the edge's without getting too hot in the center. glad to see spider farmer taking feedback on their lights and making improvments.
Good to know! :)
The original way to dim was a total joke and waste of time, but the upgrade is now exceptionally awesome, good save Spider farm I'm buying a grow kit once I sell this guitar on Ebay Australia :-)
I’ve got 2 of these mounted on light movers in tents. I am very much using them wrong, but because I know how I’m using them wrong, I’m using them “right” for what I’m doing. I’ve got one fixture per 4x8, and have some shadows as it moves all the way. But, i do think this can cover a 4x6 tent on a mover and give the maximum potential yeild the light can with relative ease.
1994 called, wants their light movers back.
DUDE , LOVE IT , I NEED THAT COBB, MAYBE TWO
Thanks to you and migro I think there's a lot off people that ain't gettripped off thanks to you both,I sold mh hps but now young folks want leds mars spider vivosun hlg bloomplus I like the mars if you can get it cheap enough
Another great review and appreciated. Nice job! Might have been an improvement for Spider Farmer to space the four boards out, instead of clustering them for better corner coverage and more even lighting.
Good observation Matt! Yes, spacing out each board would provide more even coverage. That would be most crucial for growers who are limited on vertical space.
Hypothetical question: If I make an array of ultra-high-efficiency home-lighting LEDs, like the one you show at 6:23 (say in the 120 lumen per watt category), would these be an okayish alternative for grow-lights? If I supplement the warm-white with a few "special" LEDs, say 395nm or 750nm, would it make growth meaningfully better? I'm not looking for "medicinal" plants, just kitchen-garden herbs; the ridiculously cheap home-lights (2024) are skewing the "bang for the buck" story, imo.
The fact that you could even get ahold of Samsung to find out the reason for price fluctuations is amazing. Gives me faith that someday I might be able to source leds from them. Hahah JK prob not. Idk if it’s because of Covid but I can’t even get the led stars, or individual diodes to reflow myself that I’m looking for. I just made one 730nm module to add to my HLG650R lights. I wanted to see if I could do it first( never even soldered until now) so I only ordered 21 triple 20mm star mcpcb for a small Slate single QB648 light. I’m trying to go 1:1 wattage wise with the 730nm to Quantum Board total( I know it’s not commonly used at all let alone at this level )
Great figures breakdown, very informative, easy to understand and super helpful! Abs love it, lots of really valuable info, excellent for newbies, keep doing more! 👌
I just received my SF4000 today, glad I found your video today as I was setting it up. I am a little perplexed as to setting the distance though. My setup is a 4x4 grow tent. I have several items in there but more importantly I have a chili plant in hydro that’s flowering but wondering as too optimal distance and dimmer setting. I currently have it set to about 18in per the manual. Eventually I will move the other items out once last freeze is safely gone for my zone.
Lighting is definitely NOT an issue these days, which makes me happy.
Only issue are the internet-of-crooks.
Recently purchased the sf4000 very pleased with my investment.
Glad to hear it Shawn! Thanks for sharing your feedback on the product. :)
Curious what do you mean special flowers?....lol JK you would have to be a special kind of stupid not to catch on, I've noticed a lot of guys that were straight gardeners alluding to the same special crops in the last few years.
I bought the sf 4000 to grow herbs and it's doing great.i have a fan constantly blowing on the top power supplies to keep them really cool and hopefully make it last alot longer.i bought it because of your review of it.thanks
Thanks for sharing the last thing I need to complete my I door growing set up this winter has been the lights so much misleading online it's hard to decide what light set up to buy
I understand Casey. I hope my videos are able to help you out a little. Thanks so much for watching!
The spider farmer SF 4000 is a better value and it puts out more lumens than the best 600 watt high pressure sodium bulb in the market.
This is the best LED grow light review I've seen so far. Thank you!
What if I have 20 of these, would I be able to daisy chain all of them just like that?
The product listing indicates that up to 10 units can be daisy chained to a single controller.
How about power source??
Hey Albo, really love the content. I could tell you put so much attention to detail into your videos. I have a question regarding finding the optimal distance from canopy + how hard to drive the lights.
I'm currently using 5 strips of samsung SI-B8VZ91B20WW
in a 4x4'. Each strip gets 100W so total of 500W(max driver can go). I can get same amount of PPFD if 12" from canopy while using 300-400watt as opposed to 20-30" at full 500W. Which would you pick and why?
Are there any food plants that would do well around the main light footprints also under 12-12 lighting?
I've tested the color spectrum of these Spider Farmer lights using many food plants and all of the plants did well for me. But this model is very high wattage. I'm going to use it for seedlings, but I'll be dimming it way down to 100W. I'm covering a 30" x 30" area. It doesn't make sense to purchase such a strong light and then dim it so low. You just want to grow in a small area, under the footprint of the light, is that right?
I have had an older model sf 4000 (dimmer under the drivers) so I’ve used it only at full power for a year now. I grow auto flowers and I’ve come to find out that using it as I have is just fine as long as it is never closer than 20” at any point in the grow cycle. That said, I highly recommend Spider Farmer in general, especially for the price point.
Good to know! Thanks for for sharing Mark. :)
Good to know. Just got the sf 4000 for doing the same thing. I love autoflowers.
@@capecod3475 what's your favourite thing about autos? The harvest time? The manageable size?
@@Kholaslittlespot1 ruderalis 😂
crap just got to the end of the vid and realised i've likely bought a shoddy "sf1000"
Been using an unbranded sf4000 for a while but think its too bright
Your content is so clear for newbies like myself. Thanks man.
Excellent analysis! Couldn’t agree more.
Would you say Id be ok to plug 2 sf4000s daisy chained into a surge protector in my apartment? I have a 4x8 tent that Im wanting to go from seed to harvest in. Any suggestions would be much appreciated.
The surge protector should be properly grounded. Two SF4000s should pull about 920W and 7.6 amps. As long as your surge protector can handle that, then I would expect it to be ok. Hope that helps!
What do you think about BXEN-50S-11M-3C-00-0-0 as grow lights? The 50S model has (according to the datasheet) little bit better spectrum with much lower price.
I’m choosing one but to figure out which one I’ve a question: for auto-peppers 😝 20/4hrs what is the DLI to aim for? 500 ppfd x20hr are good or not? Thx
I've done a lot of research on this subject. Whether you're growing auto or photoperiod peppers, Spider Farmer is the best value for money. You cannot go wrong with them.
The sf2000’s have the dimmer knob now too so you don’t have to use any tools
True, true. It's much easier now! :)
@@Albopepper i honstly didn’t know what it was until I watched this video so thank you
I am just about to get back in the swing of things and am about to get an sf 1000 wt led. Awesome info. Just discovered you as well. Subscribed and lovin your output. Thanks, man.
I recently bought an sf2000 and they have switched to an uneven diode distribution (biased towards the edges); from pictures, they seem to have done the same to the sf4000. Can we expect more even PPFD coverage?
Hello AlboPepper,
to be honest, I am amazed by your reviews. I searched a lot for different lamps reviews and so on. But no one delivered like you did.
I started to check out your other videos too and wow ... they are so great.
I am so happy that I found you. I studied physics. I am German. I need proper reviews with details, going into the specs. You are the one delivering it. You are outstanding and awesome.
Thanks
Hi. First of all this was a very great review. What do you think about the Lumatek Zeus 600 Pro (EU) or the Photontek X 600 Pro (North America)? Would you recommend this light for a 5x5 or for a 4x4? Lumatek aka. Photontek says 5x5 too like they did at Spiderfarmers but i'm not sure if the numbers are good enough for a 5x5. I would really appreciate your opinion.
Thanks for watching! I think you are on the right track for a 5x5 area. The higher output units can achieve higher yield for that larger area. I reviewed a similar product here: ruclips.net/video/PCaesi_M5DQ/видео.html That style of light is very nice as it allows you to hang the light much closer to the plant canopy.
When I have the front switch in the on position the dimmer does dim the light, but when at 100% the light is not full brightness. However when I use the rear switch I get full 100% brightness, could this be a fault in the dimmer control. If so I think I may need to contact the manufacturer for a warranty claim. Has anyone else had this problem? Thanks
What are heats like with the 4000 compared to a 600w hps?
The 600W HPS generates 150-200W of additional heat.
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It'sa me!
Mint vid
Hey Al what do you think about the new Samsung Lm301h series? Are they better or is it just a marketing strategy?
Hi Lokas. That's an excellent question! I've looked into the specs sheets for the LM301B and compared them to the LM301H. As it turns out, they're the same. You are correct in suspecting that it's all a marketing strategy. The LM301B are rated according to lumens measurements. The LM301H is simply measured and rated for PPF umols. However, they generate the same light!
You should do a review of the Geekbeast Pro 630w vs SF 4000. Which would be better value for money? I understand that the 630 would need to go on a 5x5 due to ppf intensity, but wondering per $ which is the better light for maximum production?
When you compare the total light output vs the cost, both light options offer the same value. So for the smaller 4x4 tents, I would say the SF4000 is ideal (assuming you have adequate vertical clearance). And for 5x5, the Geekbeast model is a really good fit and equivalent in value (PPF/W). The smartphone app is an added bonus too.
Very nice and informative thanks a lot:)
Does anything compete with this light at its current price ($490)?? And does it compare to anything in the $700-800 range?
How do I get my hands on the newer model sp1000?
nice video thanks. really helped me understand
Vids like this one sometimes make me really angry. And all because I can give only one like :P Excellent content, super informative - subbed! Keep up the amazing work
Hi Anna! Thanks so much for watching and for supporting my channel! :-)
What they should do is put the 2 sets of leds more apart
Very good video 👍
Thanks for watching! :D
7:51 Shut up and take my money! 💵🤣
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I brought 2 was working great. For some reason it's been flickering non stop...any solutions?
If anyone has any information on whether light intensity on sf2000/sf1000 through plants life cycles
What type of info are you looking for, specifically?
Then how many of them i need to cover 10ft by 6ft tent ????
For that size tent, I would probably try 2 x SF4000s + 4 x SF2000s. Like this: albopepper.com/6x10.pdf
I gone split my grow space in two sides to have access to my plants , 6 on side. I think to buy two 4000 with four 2000.
I have 4 SF 4000's ... they have unbelievable performance for the actual power they pull from the wall..much worth the money
i agree 100%. i even bought one for $400 and it didnt compare to the sf4000 side by side so that mixjoy without dimmer went back and got me another sf. Took me awhile to be convinced about leds but after the results of 2 sf4000's runs I am a believer.
You use 4? How many plants do you grow?
@@brianfyffe8204 the appropriate question would be, what is your square footage. All plants require different amounts of light to flourish. Example, lettuce versus "tomatos".
Nice. I am about to get my first one which will be added to my 3 x phlizon 3000s. Can’t wait to see the difference
How much energy do they pull from the wall , and how much does it show
overwhelmed, I am looking at a 2 foot square tent, need your top 2 best lights for a small medical pot grow. 2 of the best. I appreciate your insight.
Thanks for watching. This video compares multiple lights that are all designed for a 2' x 2' tent: ruclips.net/video/WmjOSzSF-HI/видео.html
@@Albopepper Thank you
Another amazing detailed vid by you Al. miss talking about growing with you . Happy growing season
Thanks Jon! I hope you're doing well man. Happy growing season to you too brother! :)
This upgrade is a long time coming friends 👍
I have burned some medicinal peppers with the sf 4000 turned down to two hundred and seventy-five ish Watts. I would have been more prone to turn the intensity back sooner if my light has this upgrade. The very next run I decided to go back to my blurple for veg and save the sf 4000 for flower. It’s a strong light for sure worth the money once I figure the height out better.
Burned in veg or flower? How close was the light?
Is it ok to keep 18 inch in veg/ seedlings but just dim it? And gradually increase at she grows?
@@tect777 Think 24" would be better
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I’ve purchased 2 SF2000’s (both from your links) and I am very happy with them! So easy to use and my plants have been phenomenal-can’t ask for more than that. Thanks!
Thanks so much for your feedback Stephen. I really appreciate your support! :-D
How much bud are you getting off each 🪴
@@michaelmoreno4133 Probably pushing 2g per watt
I have been thinking about this video since I saw it the first time a couple months ago. I would like to know what the lowest setting on the dimmer knob one should use, without a reduced yield. I think this light is very strong, and at 100% it's just too much. What do you think? I would like to reduce my electricity consumption with this light, without my plants suffering.
Hi Ellen, could you please describe your grow setup a little? Plant type. Number of plants. Coverage area. Is it in a tent? Perhaps it could be dimmed, but these factors will impact that.
@@Albopepper
Yes, absolutely. I have a 4x4x6 tent. SF4000. I am planting seeds today. Considering 4 or 5. Cannabis. Autoflowers.
@@Albopepper I really appreciate you taking the time to answer my question. I am so glad I found your page. Great content!!
my primary plants are spinach, lettuce, beans in winter...is this too much lighting
Possibly. If you have it raised fairly high over a large open area, then it might be great. With a brighter light like this, not only could you cover a large area for veg, but you could also reduce the light cycle duration as needed. This might help to ensure that the spinach doesn't bolt.
Awesome shirt brother
Thanks man! :)
I'm packing the 4000 into a 3x3 tent with auto flowers.. call me crazy but... lol
I currently have the sf2000 for my 2x4 tent. Everytime I watch these videos I want to get a bigger tent lol
Hi great video. Looking at leds after a 2 year break. Question is I can pull 12-18 ounces from a hps light over a 4x4 table depending on the strain . Can an led pull these types of weights?...don’t worry just looked at the price for 1 in Australia 1200$....no thanks
Thanks for watching! LEDs can match or even possibly exceed growth of an HPS. It all depends on the light specs, especially the PPF output. Photons are what drive growth and a certain number of photons are needed to achieve a certain amount of plant mass. So you need to pick an LED that matches or possibly exceeds the PPF of the older HPS. This can be done, using less wattage consumption with less heat output. This video gives some tips for comparing HIDs with LEDs: ruclips.net/video/PCaesi_M5DQ/видео.html .
@@Albopepper thank you heeps for the reply. More research is definitely needed.
Would 4 of them cover a 10x10 grow tent by chance?
Try 6.
Get the prices down and I'll change....led that trys to come close to a 1000 watt hps is 800 to 1000 bucks.....NOPE TO EXPENSIVE
The prices already are down. It's not hard to see a 2 year payback in energy savings by getting a 640W LED system (less than $800). By year 3, the LED is making you money. So no, that wouldn't be too expensive.
Sweet
Comprehensive amaxing guide ty so much !!! I have a sf4000. Now I can sleep at night
Awesome! Thanks for watching. :)
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saludos
brother i think i goofed i got 2 t5 6400k for reveg and clones but now they are ready for transplanting and someone said these done work for full veg or flower. what would you recommend so i dont have to buy another light.
Welcome to my channel! You need much higher light levels than what a fluorescent system offers if you want the optimal yield for those plants. The amount of light you need will depend on the size of your tent, number of plants and the hourly requirements (12hr vs auto). The video lays it out well for this LED. The SF4000 will work great in a 4 x 4 tent. The SF2000 will be good for 2 x 4. These LEDs are more than twice as efficient compared to T5s. So each watt of power will generate more than twice the amount of light.
@@Albopepper oh wow i have a 5x5 should have 10 clones when said and done. i was hoping i could swing lower Kelvin bulbs lol
hello sir. Thank you for what you do. Man you talk about a rabbit hole. Trying to fond the right light for the money is always difficult. I am growing in rows about 4ft wide and the row length is not a big deal because i can put as many as i want long. Would you recommend this light over mars hydro FC3000? Im trying to find the right light for my farm. Being way more informed than I am, what light would you recommend. Like everyone, Im looking for the best light for the money and I defiantly respect your opinion.
To achieve similar light output, you would need nearly three FC3000s for every two SF4000s. If you are tight on vertical clearance, then the FC3000 would be able to be placed closer to the plant canopy (good for rack systems). If you have plenty of height, then the SF4000 can be placed a little higher. Both offer a similar value in price and efficiency. So I would think about how you prefer to place your lights and then go from there. If you are considering multiple Mars Hydro units, you should ask them for an Integrating Sphere report to verify their specs. Their spectral graph doesn't really show Far-Red even though they claim to use diodes for it. And their PPF numbers don't match up. So I would use caution if selecting their product.
@@Albopepper Sir, thank you for the response. I have purchased 12 of the mars hydro FC3000 and no matter what i get underdeveloped "flowers". so i have since purchased 7 of the Enlite Ceres 780W 3500k+660nm. I sure hope they do well. Again, thanks for what you do. Huge help to have a pro to speak with.
That was very insightful, thanks!
I hope someone can help me with this? If you buy the SF 4000 and run it in a 2 * 2.5 tent, couldn't you have your light at 6" above the canopy achieve a very even light spread and use the dimming function to ensure that you don't exceed what the plant can handle?
You have the right idea. The SF4000 could be used over a much smaller area if dimmed down and placed at the appropriate height. This would work, however it's quite an investment for a light that isn't being used at full capacity. If you don't ever intend to run it at 100% then you're sorta wasting your money.
I live in Australia law's are still retarded over here. The cost of the fixture is less important than stealth. Reducing my electrical consumption footprint eases the Burdon of paranoia that comes with illegality.
So I am right and can use the inverse law to my advantage. Use the larger light at approx 20 percent for veg and 50 percent for flower get even wall to wall coverage.
What would you reccomand for a 500 sq area. Tempted to switch out hps 1k watts
What units? Are you covering 500 sq feet? Is it 22 ft x 22 ft? Are you currently using a 1000W DE HPS?
Yeah i cant wait till Able get some them new LEDS
Nice stuff.
really nice video. I would like to know if putting one sf2000 with a HPS could be helpful for my ``medicinal tomatoes´´
Sure! Whatever you can do to reach those optimal light levels. :)
Love those "medicinal tomatoes", especially vaporised.
Bro you should not be looking at these without glasses man!
albo;great camera@
i wonder, knowing that the shade color under tree leaves is around 10 000K, you dont want that for your plants and even less lower kelvin. Why dont they use 30 000k for the blue and uv full spectrum? I just purchased full spectrum 380nm-840nm they grow well but all around and some 30 000- 35 000k for veg and lux boost for the lower leaves. Anybody could use yellow and green light to reach higher ppfd and still, it's not the efficient spectrum anymore even if it works for some plant process.