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Btw can I ask a question? We all know that Paul wrote ... far be it from me to boast except for the cross of Christ ... (Galatians 6:14) ... but WHERE in Scripture does it say, we should WEAR a cross as a necklace like you do? Thank you for your answer FROM the Scripture ONLY.
It’s comes down to justification vs sanctification. When it comes to justification, it’s by faith alone. When we are saved the Holy spirit gives us a new heart that desires righteousness. And that’s when the Holy spirit leads us through sanctification where we do good works as a result of our right standing with God.
I honestly think he knows the truth and has chosen to believe what he is going to believe because he does not want to face the rejection of his family, tradition, etc. I find myself praying for him a lot. In the end, his great mind will be a waste if he does not accept Jesus. One only needs to read Genesis 3 to see the real problem Jesus came to solve during his first arrival. His second arrival will be very much like Jews expect (politically supreme, visibly ruling forever), but many Jews will sadly be grieved on that day.
You make some great points ! I do think that Jesus reign is forever upon David's Throne, in heaven now, per Psalm 2, 110:1, Hebrews, Isaiah 9:7. Do you have particular passages that say Jesus Christ as KING sits upon an earthly throne ? I'm not aware of any myself. It's a seemingly minor point with massive implications. God bless you David
I honestly believe that YOU know the truth and you have chosen to believe what YOU are going to believe because you do not want to face rejection of YOUR family, tradition etc. See how easy that was? Now go and sin no more….
Nowhere in the Hebrew Bible does it say that the Davidic Messiah will die and rise from the dead-that should pretty much guarantee that Jesus is a fraud….Read it for yourself.
How come nobody wants to debate Jeff Durbin in person? Because Jeff is too good never seen him lose a debate Especially when he's paired up with you-know-who, all praise and glory to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ through his blood and sacrifice we have salvation Lord save us from ourselves 1:16
Yes, out of his own mouth he claims judaism is the religion of works, by which no man can be justified, which is why Christ came to be the perfect sacrifice for sin.
@@AmaliaMagenCohen As a Christian, I don't like the word "apologetics" as it implies we have to defend our faith and justify it. I don't think this is necessary and causes a lot of contention between Christians. The whole "protestant reformation" thing and how it started, is not what we are meant to follow. We are meant to follow Jesus Christ through God's word of truth, the Holy Bible. Notice how Jesus is the Word of God and also the Truth, He is all we need. Jesus didn't defend himself with Pilate and said, He was here to bear witness unto the truth. We should also bear witness unto the truth and stop defending what is already not requiring defence, as it is free from all corruption and pure. We cannot defend what is truth, truth is a defence in and of itself. God is Truth and nothing can ever even come close, His Being does not have to be defended. Evangelizing is not mentioned in the Bible and converting people to Christianity imo is wrong. We are to spread the good news of the Kingdom of God to all the world. God converts people's hearts when they accept the good news into their hearts by believing and then putting their faith in Christ. And, I don't care about what Ben Shapiro says, it's moot.
The problem is that most Christians have never heard of the Talmud, let alone know what it says. Christians that have listened to Ben Shapiro for years have no idea that he belongs to one of the only anti-Christ religions.
@jamesh6966 According to the Talmud, Jesus is burning in hell in boiling excrement, so you can imagine how they feel about Christians. There's an entire book on this called "Jesus in the Talmud" by Peter Schaefer if you'd like to learn more. Cheers.
@@uganda_mn397...and hearing by the Word of God. "...Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures..." AMEN!
Rock solid video. I'm preaching through the book of Daniel at my church and the proof that Jesus truly is the Messiah and the fulfillment of Daniel's prophecies is overwhelming.
@henniecronje2868 not trying to catch any attention for myself, I apologize if it appeared that way. Just giving context for the statement regarding the support I have found in the prophecies of Daniel.
Many people dont even understand what faith is, Thats the problem, Faith is being faithful, faithful to Jesus and taking him at his word, a true believer will have good works because they have faith in Christ, a person with no good works is not a true believer because he is not being faithful to the words of Jesus. Thats how u can tell who is a true follower and who is not a true follower, true believers will have good works as a byproduct of their faith.
Whats a good work? By the law no flesh is justified and all rightous acts of men is a filthy rag. So what is a good work? Only God is good and only his rightousness covering your sins makes one rightous. But again you being evil please tell me what is a good work.
@@nicknickson3650 1. he was referred to as "rabbi", a term used for pharisee teachers. 2. His most famous sayings were borrowed from pharisees. For example, his quote "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets" (Matthew 7:12) is exactly what the famous pharisee rabbi Hillel said before him. Literally word for word. 3. He literally is quoted as affirming the AUTHORITY of the pharisees: T"hen Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees SIT IN THE SEAT OF MOSES. 3 SO YOU MUST BE CAREFUL TO DO EVERYTHING THEY TELL YOU." Here he is affirming the rabbinic claim of having an unbroken chain of tradition from Moses on down. 4. At that time (first century), Jews were broken up in basically three distinct sects: the Sadducees, the Pharisees, and the Essenes. Jesus was definitely not a a Sadducees, since they didn't believe in any of the prophets (they only believed in the 5 books of Moses) or the resurrection of the dead. He wasn't an Essene, since they were a secluded sect that separated themselves from society. Hence, he fell within the sect of the pharisaic traditional sect. 5. Unlike Paul's innovations and writings, which Paul himself claimed he received through "revelation", all the recordings that the gospels have of Jesus' teachings fell in line with the Pharisees. Jesus, unlike Paul, is repeatedly quoted as affirming the law and commandments of Moses, on numerous occasions. For instance: Jesus is quoted to have said: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, NOT THE SMALLEST LETTER, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. THEREFORE ANYONE WHO SETS ASIDE ONE OF THE LEAST OF THE COMMANDMENTS and teaches others accordingly WILL BE CALLED LEAST in the kingdom of heaven, but WHOEVER PRACTICES AND TEACHES THESE COMMANDMENTS will be called GREAT in the kingdom of heaven." Hence, Jesus, unlike Paul's later inventions, always told people to follow the commandments and statutes of the torah, just as you would expect of a Pharisaic RABBI. 6. Even in instances where the gospels try to portray Jesus arguing with the pharisees (rabbis), its obvious the gospels are lying. For example, the Pharisees were never against violating the Sabbath in order to heal someone from danger, illness or death. In fact, the Pharisaic tradition explicitly says one OUGHT to violate the sabbath in such instances. So the gospels put up a strawman of the pharisees which they themselves would've never argued.
Ben is a prime example of being unable to come to God unless He changes your heart and causes you to be born again (Ezekiel 36:26). He is extremely intelligent but cannot understand. Jesus said, to you it has been granted to know and to them it has not been granted. (Matthew 13:11). I like Ben a lot. I pray God , if it is according to His will, that God will change his heart so he can perceive and come to Christ. Jeff Durbin is such a blessing in Christ to be able to base his argument in Scripture. I love Jeff Durbin's work through Christ.
When it comes to the notion that Jews are about actions and Christians are about faith, I think that Ben must have skipped over the entire book of *James...* _"But someone will say, “You have faith and I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith _*_by my deeds."_* *JAMES 2:18*
I doubt Ben has ever read James, being that it's in the New Testament, or if he has he did so simply out of curiosity... What I don't understand is how *any* Jewish person can read Psalms 22 or Isaiah 52, 53 and not see Jesus....
james 2:26 continues this idea also - faith in christ is a vital part of being a Christian - but if one lives their life failing to live out their faith as Jesus has instructed - can one really call themselves a Christian?
@@whoathatsanicememe3093 I can't say whether or not he has read the NT, however, I do get the impression that he is well read. Nevertheless... _"The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers so they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God."_ *2 CORINTHIANS 4:4*
@davidschalit907 Right! Because Jesus said he didn't come to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it. Therefore, we are now under Grace, not the Law as it leads to death. Christ came to give us life and more abundantly. 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌
Romans 2:13; James 2:14-20; Matthew 7:21; Matthew 7:24-27; Luke 8:21; John 13:17 He knows the truth, he is within the one true church, bride of Christ.
@@FreedomEagle1776 You can’t use those verses to justify Catholicism. Protests know these verses exist and these verses have nothing to do with justification and being right before God. Edit:*Protestants
I’ve always wondered what a “heart of stone” looks like in like where Pharaoh is said to have one but then I see Ben talk about Jesus being the messiah and his unwillingness to entertain the idea and I see that heart of stone. He simply doesn’t want to believe it’s true
I don’t think Ben has a heart of stone at all. We do not know how the Holy Spirit will work in his life, to quicken his heart and remove the spiritual blinders. I still am praying that Ben will come to a full knowledge of Jesus the Messiah. It’s not too late until he dies or thenLord returns.
Love that you point out that it is not just faith, but the will or heart to keep God's commandments has to be part of that faith. Most of the church doctrine supports what Ben is saying by drawing a cross and showing the text "Law" on the left of the Cross and the text "Grace" on the right. You pointed out in Mathew 5:17 that we should "not even think!!" that He came to abolish the Law or the Prophets, and in verse 19, Jesus is saying that we have to teach even the least of the commandments. This is part of the great commission!! Hebrew 11 is one of my favourite chapters in scripture, listing a whole list of the Old (First) Covenant believers and all of them were saved through faith, not works, but all of them also walked in God's ways following His instruction/Torah!!
Ben gets his information from the Talmud (old testament commentaries ) interpreted by his rabbi. He doesn't understand Christianity, that the entire OT points to Jesus and His accomplishing the covenant of redemption. Ben is very smart, and I agree with him on almost everything politically, but he is wrong here. And his false caricature of what Judaism is vs Christianity, tells me he doesn't have the incentive to seek the truth. The commandments are a transcript of God's character, which is Holy. None of us can become Holy on our own accord, which is why need a savior. Jesus fulfilled the righteous requirement of the law, and His perfect righteousness is imputed to the account of those who trust in Him. Ben needs a righteousness that is not his own; but he's under the false assumption that his "good works" can make him right before a Holy God. I pray that His eyes are open to the gospel. Excellent video Jeff!
I’ve really wanted to hear a rebuttal to his viewpoint so I have a better idea what to mention if it ever comes up for me in conversation! Thankyou so much!
At 04:55 great salient points. Also in the Genesis 15 passage, God puts Abraham asleep so he's 100% passive & Jehovah is 100% performing Covenant Promise by HIMSELF. Now that's "the Sovereignty of GOD" in action. Sad to say, Ben Shapiro & his branch of "faith" has re-written God's Covenant in terms sensible to them, something they can perform. "Strange Fire" is nothing new...
I have watched John MacArthur, William Lane Craig, and Voddie Bauchman witness to Ben Shapiro and I don't think he " hears" the Gospel, so I pray the Holy Spirit regenerates Ben so he will hear the Gospel.
You got to stop thinking that modern day "jews" like Shapiro, have anything to do with the Old Testament. They have the Talmud, which is their New Testament, and which even instructs to contradict the Torah on many occasions. Second, there was no such thing as "jews" even in Biblical times. There was stock of the prophets Abraham, Issac and Jacob, and the Israelites, and there were Judeans, who were the "mixed multitudes" of Canaanites etc.... Even Paul said he's a "Hebrew" propper term, and when he stated he's a "Jew of Tarsus" he meant location Judean, like a Californian.
Incorrect almost from the outset. The Talmud isn't a Jewish New Testament. (And actual Jewish scholars call the New Testament "clearly Jewish" (just not the strain that came to be seen as Judaism later).) The Talmud to Jews is a collection of traditions and arguments. It's not a systematic body of belief. They study it much like Eastern Orthodox study the Patristics, which also disagree on much and thus with similar effects.
@infinitelink nope, you're wrong. Don't know what you think is "incorrect", but you don't know what you're talking about. 13th Century Paris Disputations are great proof of what the Talmud is to the jews
To be fair, what Ben said was that Christianity is about faith first and good works coming out from that. But everything Jeff said was pretty much straight fire. Very well presented.
I’m a Jewish man ..oldest of three …brothers … I’m a Hamashiach Jew …born again … as god calls … I see no logic to Rabbinic Jewish Religious life … not unlike RC religious life …. Performed religious practices…are rejected by god in Isaiah… straight from the box … Yeshua the hamashiach…. Rejects religious actions with costumes …theatre … outwardly pious behaviour and self righteousness…. Therefore the gate is narrow in the new covenant..[ described in Jeremiah] Born again is the only way …. Unmerited Grace and favour … called ..
As smart as Ben can be in some things, and I don't mean this disrespectfully but I don't know how else to say it, he is completely incompetent on theological thinking. I remember around the time he tried to write that ridiculous book on religion and all the nonsense he was spouting from it, well it made it clear to me. I remember I saw in an interview he was basically asked what his view of an afterlife is from Judaism and he basically said you get literally absorbed into God and become part of Him. Basically merge with Him and literally become part of God's being. [sound familiar to any new age/eastern religions?]. Maybe his view has changed but I was shocked when I heard him saying that. I think it was some interview around the time he was writing that book about religion. And honestly, what do you expect? Look at the Christians that are with him on the Daily Wire. I mean they were once asked in an interview that from a Christian perspective did they think that Ben Shapiro might have to be held accountable for his sins and go to hell because he rejects Christ, and I know at least the ones who spoke up basically joked to get out of it but basically said nah he will make it to heaven anyway probably. I mean it was a ridiculous answer that you had sitting there 4 Christians with Ben and not one of them when presented actually could state what Jesus clearly taught on the subject. Don't get me wrong I love the daily wire guys but it was quite sad. I mean I get Klavan is a pretty liberal Christian cause he has trouble with the homosexuality being wrong thing [not that he is homosexual, but that it is wrong in general], and Knowles and Walsh are both Catholic so that does effect quite a bit their view on salvation [but even in the Catholic view, Ben isn't making it to Heaven dude..... well I guess unless Pope Francis has his way and everyone does cause whatevz] and Jeremy Boring seems to constantly take scripture out of context and twist it for his own points and seems to have quite a bit of disdain for people who take the Bible for what it actually means [just my impression on him from watching him a lot when these questions come up][and he is a prime example of a pick and choose what parts of the bible you like sort of guy, and then reinterpret the stuff you don't like out of it, and then anyone who wants the Bible to actually mean what it says he says they are worshiping the Bible and using it as a totem or something and gets all mad at them]. But it was still sad. They are nice guys and they say they are Christians, but can't even tell someone the basic fundamentals of Jesus when asked on it. Not one of them and then even says the opposite. Don't get me wrong, I quite like all of them over there at the Daily Wire of that group. But you almost have to turn off the video if they try and talk deeply about religious issues. Oh sometimes they make a few good points, sure, but often it ends up being just ridiculous and theologically a joke despite them being quite smart on other issues.
It would be nice to see Ben with a calvinist and non calvinist. Calling calvinism christianity is debatable. Ben did a great job asking questions when talking to alley stuckey
Easy to see why so many Jews get it wrong... Hearing Ben mention what he does, would argue Judaism is faith based as well... We read "Abraham believed God, it was counted unto Him as righteousness..." Or reading Gen 15 when reading about the convenient God made with Abraham... It was only God that passed through the animal pieces, so it relies on God alone. Even in the N.T. Abraham is call "The father of our faith.." as we read in Rom 4:16) For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all,
What were some of the Rabbinic answers to the question of how a human being could see the Lord and live? According to Exodus 33:20, God said to Moses, ‘You cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.’ Yet in Exodus 24:9-11, less than ten chapters earlier, we read, ‘Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up [Mount Sinai] and saw the God of Israel…But God did not raise his hand against these leaders of the Israrelites…How can this be explained? Abraham Ibn Ezra interpreted the text to mean that they saw God in a prophetic vision. Then why did God tell them in 24:1 to actually go up the mountain to the Lord, remaining at a distance from him while Moses alone drew near? And why does the text point out that God did not life his hand against them, as would have been expected? Obviously, this was more than a prophetic vision….The Targum also had a problem with these verses and could not translate them directly, rendering instead, ‘They saw the glory of the God of Israel…they saw the glory of the Lord.’ 42 Yet the text says, ‘They saw the God of Israel…they saw God.’” - Brown, Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus, Volume 2, Theological Objections, p. 28-29 As Dr. Brown explains, in order to avoid the conflict created by scripture’s declaration that certain figures actually saw YHWH, some ancient Jewish sources simply denied and then altered the plain meaning of the texts. This demonstrates that these ancient sources recognized that the standard reading of the text did indeed describe individuals seeing God. After all, if they didn’t perceive that the text taught that men had seen God, they would not have seen the need to alter the texts to avoid that very prospect. Commenting specifically on Exodus 3 as another example in which Moses is recorded as seeing God, Dr. Brown goes on to say the following. “‘Well,’ you might say, ‘what about Exodus 3. Doesn’t that chapter equate seeing the angel of the Lord with seeing God?’ You’re getting very close!…How does the Targum Onkelos translated the end of verse 6? Moses ‘was afraid to look beside the glory of the LORD.’ Once again, the Targum found it impossible to say what the Scripture said. It was too direct, too clear. Another Targum, called Pseudo-Jonathan, took this even further, translating that Moses was afraid to look at ‘the glory of the Shekhina of the LORD.’” - Brown, Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus, Volume 2, Theological Objections, p. 30 From the quote above, we can once again clearly see that the ancient Jewish Targums recognized that for men to see YHWH God and live was problematic. But rather than coming to the conclusion that Moses’ reached when he faced this same problem, the Targums came up with alternate explanations. As we saw earlier in Exodus 33-34, Moses reconciled the fact that men saw God with the axiom that seeing God would bring death by concluding that men were seeing God in a humbler form, not his fully glorified form, which would be lethal to them. But what do the Targums conclude instead? The Targum Onkelos apparently altered the meaning of the text to suggest that Moses merely looked “beside” the glory of God rather than looking directly. The Targum Pseudo-Jonathan adopted its own explanation, asserting instead that Moses didn’t look at YHWH God himself but at a being, emissary, or aspect of God designated by the title “the Shekhina.” However, it is worth noting that in the Targum Pseudo-Jonathan the term “Shekhina” is simply being used as an interchangeably title for the figure known as “the angel of YHWH.” But by identifying the figure that Moses saw as “the Shekhina,” this solution actually acknowledges that the text is identifying “the angel of YHWH” or “the Shekhina” by the name “YHWH God.” Rather than avoiding or providing an alternative to the Trinitarian conclusion, this solution ends up affirming it. And ultimately, as we can see, the ancient Jews recognized the fact that according to the Old Testament, to see the angel of YHWH is to see YHWH God. Ancient Jewish sources recognized the issues raised by these facts. But their attempts to explain it either alter the text, don’t differentiate significantly in form from the Trinity, or raise the specter of sub-deities as the God of the Exodus. Commenting still further, Dr. Brown cites additional examples and summarizes both the predicament and the attempted solution, which was simply to alter the wording. “According to Exodus 33:20, no one can see God or his face and live. Yet the Hebrew Bible preserves numerous instances of people ‘seeing God.’…Exodus 24:9-11 states that Moses and a select group of Israelites saw God, who did not strike them down. The Targum says that they saw the glory of God…Jacob, who wrestled with the angel of the LORD, said that he had seen God face to face (Gen. 32:30). The Targum changed this to, “I have seen the angel of the LORD face to face.” The exact same change is made in Judges 13:22. In Exodus 3:1-6, the angel of the Lord, equated with the Lord himself in the text, appeared to Moses in flaming fire in a bush, and Moses looked away because he was afraid to look at God. The Targum says that he was afraid to look near the glory of the LORD.” - Brown, Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus, Volume 2, Theological Objections, p. 29-30 Fourth, ancient Judaism recognizes that the figure known as the Spirit of YHWH is also regarded as being a distinct yet equal figure within the Godhead of YHWH in similar fashion to the angel of YHWH. This can be seen in the following two quotes. The first quote, which we have seen earlier, comes from Microsoft Encarta and in it Encarta describes how the Word and the Spirit of God were regarded as “secondary divine beings.” Specifically, Britannica uses the plural “beings,” indicating that the Word and the Spirit were regarded as distinct rather than being regarded as different titles for the same being or figure.
One thing missed in this video is also that for most Jewish Atheists Ben and Jeff are not speaking to what these people think. Most Jews who call themselves Jewish atheists arent thinking about Jewish practice (aka Judaism). They are identifying with their Jewishness (culture and lineage which YES does have some to do with traditions at times).
Abe’s Justification by faith before the Torah “just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?” Galatians 3:6 ESV
6:30, if Abraham was gifted his belief, why is he credited with righteousness? Your calvinist belief doesn't allow for abraham to believe based on logic or reason, correct?
@@rocketsurgeon1746 You're only a babe in Christ and so are still on proof-texting (sort of like pulling out a Chinese Fortune Cookie for an answer). Theology is not at the proof-text level, but based on principles which are derived according to certain delineated structures. So we don't just pull out a verse and say "there!". If it were that simple there'd be no theological arguments and no theological colleges. Suffice to say at present that what I have pointed out is correct: it was Christ in Abraham who believed and not Abraham per se. Now ... if you spend a lot more time reading and studying the New Testament you should come to the same conclusion. But you must spend a LOT more time.
@@lawrence1318 not a babe at all. Ad hominem is the standard the calvinists use to end arguments. Not going to happen. You are clearly prideful and foolish, based on your above comments. Stick to the argument. You are wrong and need to study outside of your calvinist cult
@@lawrence1318 so, give me a verse showing we do not choose to repent. Can you debate like an adult Christian or are you going to throw out more red herrings and ad hom?
Ben had John Macarthur on his show and that vid is on utube,Mr Macarthur gave Ben the Gospel perfectly from both Old and New testaments,Ben didnt believe just like the when Christ came before,the Jews rejected Him,as does Ben,let of pray earnestly for him,its his only hope
They are the same God,Macarthur 50yrs pastor same church, PHD Talbot Theological seminary, author of over 40 books,created the Macarthur study Bible,just some of his accomplishments, pretty sure he knows more than you😉
@@rickhanna2606 judaism and Christianity are not morally the same. Just a casual reading of both the Bible and the Talmud make that very clear. Christianity is the antithesis of Judaism. Different morality equals different gods.
You'd then have to point out that many know little or nothing about the Talmud, many who do take it as a collection of various positions in argument not a systematic doctrine, and the Kabbalah believers are a sort of separate cult within Jewish groups... Before talking about the Mishnah, commentaries, various sects and schools... Saying "Jews believe" is encompassed well in the jokes from Jews themselves like "a man asks for the opinion of two Rabbis and gets five..."
Ben Shapiro probably has never read Isaiah 53 because that's an OT that gives a clear description of Jesus' crucifixion. In fact not many people who actually follow Judaism don't even know that Jesus was Jewish or many things in the OT. Some of them believe that He was a Catholic, Protestant, etc, but not Jewish. Many of them believe that Christians were responsible for the death of Jews because Hitler said that he was a Catholic, which is 1 of the reasons many of them reject Jesus. Christianity, Catholicism, etc didn't exist until after Jesus left the Earth. If you read Acts 26:11, that's the scripture that mentions Christianity for the 1st time. They're likely unaware of the fact that Hitler burned many books & over 90% of them were Bible's because it's a Jewish book & Hitler also wanted a non Jewish Bible. They're also told not to read the NT because they're told that if they do they'll get kicked out of the Synagogue. This is also another reason why that many of them don't know why don't know that Jesus was Jewish. If they did they would know that Jewish 1st preached in a Synagogue at age 12. How would he be able to do that if He wasn't Jewish? We all know that He was called Rabbi, which no gentile was ever called to this day. They're not being told all the true about details about Jesus.
Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 124: وَإِذِ ابْتَلَىٰ إِبْرَاهِيمَ رَبُّهُ بِكَلِمَاتٍ فَأَتَمَّهُنَّ قَالَ إِنِّي جَاعِلُكَ لِلنَّاسِ إِمَامًا قَالَ وَمِن ذُرِّيَّتِي قَالَ لَا يَنَالُ عَهْدِي الظَّالِمِينَ And when his Lord tried Ibrahim with certain words, he fulfilled them. He said: Surely I will make you an Imam of men. Ibrahim said: And of my offspring? My covenant does not include the unjust, said He. (English - Shakir) via iQuran
I would be willing to bet that even Ben Shapiro would not show up for this debate, because he is intellectual and self aware enough to realize that he chooses to have a blind spot in this area.
Pastor Jeff, have you ever invited Ben to a debate? I don't think he would oppose. He's already had conversations with pastor John Macarthur and dr. William Lane Craig.
Please do more on this subject!!! I know many people who are moving away from traditional Christian holidays and going back to Jewish holidays. Their arguments is Jesus celebrated them and Christians have adopted pegan holidays. I thought Jesus fulfillment release us from the law. Maybe I’m mistaken?
Great stuff around the 7-min mark, what you're bringing up is the argument Paul makes in Roman 9. Not all children of Abraham are part of God's promise. It's always been grace through faith
What's incredible about Christianity is that it is a beautiful picture of action and belief. "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned." Mark 16:16 There is an action that we are commanded to take part in, baptism, and we must have the belief that God will save us when we obey Him and live for Him. Many faith only people think baptism is archaic and not needed, it's a "work". Well, they're right, it is a work... a work of God where He circumcises our hearts. Baptism is a work of God and He washes us clean in the waters of baptism when we partake in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ!
his basis in this clip was just the opinions of people he has had on his show or in his circle. Does not seem likely he would ever do actual study of the bible in his current state
Here’s what I struggle with. I say that we obviously don’t kill steal commit adultery etc. I know personally that we can see that we enter into continuous Rest in Jesus as read in Hebrews 4:1-10. However if we say we keep the law how do we explain Sabbath to someone who’s taking this all literall-black and white? I see Jesus tell us in Mathew 5 6 and 7 that we will always fall short of keeping the law, I interpret that without us being covered in His Righteousness in His Blood we are doomed. We now walk in Spirit not flesh. Does that make sense?
_Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations..._ Matt 28:19. The great commission is about making disciples out of the nations, not making the nations into disciples. Huge distinction, here. The actual crop has always been just a remnant (Rom 9:27) and Jesus clarifies this in Matt 24:14 _And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come._ Being a "witness" a far different than converting everyone. Jeremiah was a witness, Isaiah was a witness. John the Baptist was a witness and a fore runner, but in the end he was beheaded. This isn't about losing, it's about truth. The harvest of the Saint's does eventually come (Matt 24:29-31, Rom 8:19, Rev 14:14-16)
What I find cool is Ben is being used to have the gospel being shared over and over by different Christians on his channel for Jews and atheist to hear. Maybe that is Ben's secret.
I had a dream well over 20 years ago it seemed to refer to Ezekiel when I found the dream after I dreamt it about 3 weeks later in an angel book from library
I’m Jewish. I have respect for Jesus and Christians. But I gotta say it’s quite disheartening that the most liked comment here puts down our Jewish writing …. . But hey I do appreciate the good Christians .
How can you say obey God and yet do not even obey His instructions to assemble yourselves on His designated holy days which lay out the entire plan of salvation? You don’t need a temple to gather and worship. The sacrifice has been made so that’s not required. It just seems logical that God would rather we honor the days He designated rather than the days man created (ex: Christmas).
Brother everything i hear sounds spot on. I havent watched all your stuff but the stuff i have watched i dont see any preaching of the law. The sabbath, the high sabbaths, the preaching of worshiping of false Els.
Shapiro wouldn't fair too well in a debate with Durbin on religion. Shapiro is a lightweight in this realm. He's excellent when debating the politics of our day, however.
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Btw can I ask a question? We all know that Paul wrote ... far be it from me to boast except for the cross of Christ ... (Galatians 6:14) ... but WHERE in Scripture does it say, we should WEAR a cross as a necklace like you do? Thank you for your answer FROM the Scripture ONLY.
It’s comes down to justification vs sanctification. When it comes to justification, it’s by faith alone. When we are saved the Holy spirit gives us a new heart that desires righteousness. And that’s when the Holy spirit leads us through sanctification where we do good works as a result of our right standing with God.
I honestly think he knows the truth and has chosen to believe what he is going to believe because he does not want to face the rejection of his family, tradition, etc. I find myself praying for him a lot. In the end, his great mind will be a waste if he does not accept Jesus. One only needs to read Genesis 3 to see the real problem Jesus came to solve during his first arrival. His second arrival will be very much like Jews expect (politically supreme, visibly ruling forever), but many Jews will sadly be grieved on that day.
You make some great points !
I do think that Jesus reign is forever upon David's Throne, in heaven now, per Psalm 2, 110:1, Hebrews, Isaiah 9:7.
Do you have particular passages that say Jesus Christ as KING sits upon an earthly throne ?
I'm not aware of any myself.
It's a seemingly minor point with massive implications.
God bless you David
Yeah, no different from the jews in the old and new testaments. They just keep rejecting Him.
I honestly believe that YOU know the truth and you have chosen to believe what YOU are going to believe because you do not want to face rejection of YOUR family, tradition etc.
See how easy that was? Now go and sin no more….
Nowhere in the Hebrew Bible does it say that the Davidic Messiah will die and rise from the dead-that should pretty much guarantee that Jesus is a fraud….Read it for yourself.
Isaiah 53
How come nobody wants to debate Jeff Durbin in person? Because Jeff is too good never seen him lose a debate Especially when he's paired up with you-know-who, all praise and glory to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ through his blood and sacrifice we have salvation Lord save us from ourselves 1:16
One is a religion of works and self. The other is all of Grace and Grace Alone, so that no man may boast.
Ephesians 2:8-9 😏
Yes, out of his own mouth he claims judaism is the religion of works, by which no man can be justified, which is why Christ came to be the perfect sacrifice for sin.
@scootanow85 Eph 2:8-9
… keeping in mind that faith without works is dead, of course.
Pastor Jeff durbin I love you brother you’re content has helped me a lot 5 months since I was born again
Listening to a teacher, that is so grounded is scripture, will in all cases, is a very great help.
your so fooled. Wake up, be rational and leave this shit man. Study how the bible came to be and you will see all the faults there....
Ben always have a lot to say about the faith when no one is there to defend it but soon as someone challenges his objective he suddenly not interested
Jews are not particularly in to “apologetic “ especially since we don’t seek converts
@@AmaliaMagenCohen As a Christian, I don't like the word "apologetics" as it implies we have to defend our faith and justify it. I don't think this is necessary and causes a lot of contention between Christians.
The whole "protestant reformation" thing and how it started, is not what we are meant to follow. We are meant to follow Jesus Christ through God's word of truth, the Holy Bible. Notice how Jesus is the Word of God and also the Truth, He is all we need.
Jesus didn't defend himself with Pilate and said, He was here to bear witness unto the truth. We should also bear witness unto the truth and stop defending what is already not requiring defence, as it is free from all corruption and pure. We cannot defend what is truth, truth is a defence in and of itself. God is Truth and nothing can ever even come close, His Being does not have to be defended.
Evangelizing is not mentioned in the Bible and converting people to Christianity imo is wrong. We are to spread the good news of the Kingdom of God to all the world. God converts people's hearts when they accept the good news into their hearts by believing and then putting their faith in Christ.
And, I don't care about what Ben Shapiro says, it's moot.
Thanks for the edifying video. Praying for Ben just as I pray that all may come to the knowledge of the truth of the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ
Ben is a student of the Talmud so we already know the blasphemies he believes about Jesus. Praying for his repentance.
The problem is that most Christians have never heard of the Talmud, let alone know what it says.
Christians that have listened to Ben Shapiro for years have no idea that he belongs to one of the only anti-Christ religions.
Jesus is never mentioned in the Talmud, Mate. There were a few people of similar names, but they lived at different times. Cheers
I don’t think he said he was mentioned in the Talmud
@jamesh6966 According to the Talmud, Jesus is burning in hell in boiling excrement, so you can imagine how they feel about Christians.
There's an entire book on this called "Jesus in the Talmud" by Peter Schaefer if you'd like to learn more.
Cheers.
@@texasfirst3991excellent book and talks about parallels with the Toledot Yeshu which is undoubtedly a Jewish apologetic meant to mock our Lord.
Thank you Pastor Jeff. This turned out to be a very good teaching. Struggled a bit with Romans 3 and James 2 but this helped.
James 2 is for the people who are already saved.
James 2:10
@PickingAGoodChristianMentor Jesus spoke of sin, if you want to be like Him, speak like Him, faith comes by hearing
@@uganda_mn397...and hearing by the Word of God. "...Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures..." AMEN!
Rock solid video. I'm preaching through the book of Daniel at my church and the proof that Jesus truly is the Messiah and the fulfillment of Daniel's prophecies is overwhelming.
I couldn't imagine Pastor John MacArthur trying to catch a shine on social media over what he's preaching about. Just saying. 😊
@henniecronje2868 not trying to catch any attention for myself, I apologize if it appeared that way. Just giving context for the statement regarding the support I have found in the prophecies of Daniel.
@@danielnoel3540 it didn’t appear that way, don’t worry
the end of Daniel actually does ( according to most commentaries ) in chapter 11 verse 14
Many people dont even understand what faith is, Thats the problem, Faith is being faithful, faithful to Jesus and taking him at his word, a true believer will have good works because they have faith in Christ, a person with no good works is not a true believer because he is not being faithful to the words of Jesus. Thats how u can tell who is a true follower and who is not a true follower, true believers will have good works as a byproduct of their faith.
Whats a good work? By the law no flesh is justified and all rightous acts of men is a filthy rag. So what is a good work? Only God is good and only his rightousness covering your sins makes one rightous. But again you being evil please tell me what is a good work.
Shapiro the Pharisee
Bingo
He obeys the wicked Talmud. Why do any Christians follow Shapiro or Prager. So silly
jesus was a pharaisee as was paul, the founder of christianity. Most of Jesus's most famous quotes were said eariler by PHARISEES
@@LawOfNonContradiction "Jesus was a Pharisee" lmao source?
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1. he was referred to as "rabbi", a term used for pharisee teachers.
2. His most famous sayings were borrowed from pharisees. For example, his quote "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets" (Matthew 7:12) is exactly what the famous pharisee rabbi Hillel said before him. Literally word for word.
3. He literally is quoted as affirming the AUTHORITY of the pharisees: T"hen Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees SIT IN THE SEAT OF MOSES. 3 SO YOU MUST BE CAREFUL TO DO EVERYTHING THEY TELL YOU." Here he is affirming the rabbinic claim of having an unbroken chain of tradition from Moses on down.
4. At that time (first century), Jews were broken up in basically three distinct sects: the Sadducees, the Pharisees, and the Essenes. Jesus was definitely not a a Sadducees, since they didn't believe in any of the prophets (they only believed in the 5 books of Moses) or the resurrection of the dead. He wasn't an Essene, since they were a secluded sect that separated themselves from society. Hence, he fell within the sect of the pharisaic traditional sect.
5. Unlike Paul's innovations and writings, which Paul himself claimed he received through "revelation", all the recordings that the gospels have of Jesus' teachings fell in line with the Pharisees. Jesus, unlike Paul, is repeatedly quoted as affirming the law and commandments of Moses, on numerous occasions. For instance: Jesus is quoted to have said: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, NOT THE SMALLEST LETTER, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. THEREFORE ANYONE WHO SETS ASIDE ONE OF THE LEAST OF THE COMMANDMENTS and teaches others accordingly WILL BE CALLED LEAST in the kingdom of heaven, but WHOEVER PRACTICES AND TEACHES THESE COMMANDMENTS will be called GREAT in the kingdom of heaven."
Hence, Jesus, unlike Paul's later inventions, always told people to follow the commandments and statutes of the torah, just as you would expect of a Pharisaic RABBI.
6. Even in instances where the gospels try to portray Jesus arguing with the pharisees (rabbis), its obvious the gospels are lying. For example, the Pharisees were never against violating the Sabbath in order to heal someone from danger, illness or death. In fact, the Pharisaic tradition explicitly says one OUGHT to violate the sabbath in such instances. So the gospels put up a strawman of the pharisees which they themselves would've never argued.
Ben is a prime example of being unable to come to God unless He changes your heart and causes you to be born again (Ezekiel 36:26). He is extremely intelligent but cannot understand. Jesus said, to you it has been granted to know and to them it has not been granted. (Matthew 13:11). I like Ben a lot. I pray God , if it is according to His will, that God will change his heart so he can perceive and come to Christ. Jeff Durbin is such a blessing in Christ to be able to base his argument in Scripture. I love Jeff Durbin's work through Christ.
When it comes to the notion that Jews are about actions and Christians are about faith, I think that Ben must have skipped over the entire book of *James...*
_"But someone will say, “You have faith and I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith _*_by my deeds."_*
*JAMES 2:18*
I doubt Ben has ever read James, being that it's in the New Testament, or if he has he did so simply out of curiosity...
What I don't understand is how *any* Jewish person can read Psalms 22 or Isaiah 52, 53 and not see Jesus....
james 2:26 continues this idea also - faith in christ is a vital part of being a Christian - but if one lives their life failing to live out their faith as Jesus has instructed - can one really call themselves a Christian?
@@whoathatsanicememe3093
I can't say whether or not he has read the NT, however, I do get the impression that he is well read. Nevertheless...
_"The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers so they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God."_
*2 CORINTHIANS 4:4*
James KEPT the commandments!
He kept kosher.
He kept the Sabbath.
Etc...
Christianity eventually left all of that behind.
@davidschalit907
Right! Because Jesus said he didn't come to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it. Therefore, we are now under Grace, not the Law as it leads to death. Christ came to give us life and more abundantly. 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌
Thank you brother Jeff. I just listened to a fellow believer who believes the truth, it is so refreshing.
Jeff is such an intellectual powerhouse for Jesus❤️➕
I'm so glad that you are covering this interview
Now we gotta deal with Michael Knowles. 😂
Romans 2:13; James 2:14-20; Matthew 7:21; Matthew 7:24-27; Luke 8:21; John 13:17 He knows the truth, he is within the one true church, bride of Christ.
@@FreedomEagle1776 You can’t use those verses to justify Catholicism. Protests know these verses exist and these verses have nothing to do with justification and being right before God.
Edit:*Protestants
I’ve always wondered what a “heart of stone” looks like in like where Pharaoh is said to have one but then I see Ben talk about Jesus being the messiah and his unwillingness to entertain the idea and I see that heart of stone. He simply doesn’t want to believe it’s true
I don’t think Ben has a heart of stone at all. We do not know how the Holy Spirit will work in his life, to quicken his heart and remove the spiritual blinders. I still am praying that Ben will come to a full knowledge of Jesus the Messiah. It’s not too late until he dies or thenLord returns.
I really enjoy these Collision videos on the channel Jeff! Please continue to do them. God bless ❤
Because collision is what God wants .
Excellent teaching for Jews and Christians. Thanks Pastor Jeff.
✝️📖🙏🤍
Ben is a brilliant mind but he wants none of this truth.
Thank you Jeff
Jeff, you are awesome handling the word of the Lord.
So many people think Ben is so smart but he is just a good, fast speaker. He needs more education on the Bible
Love that you point out that it is not just faith, but the will or heart to keep God's commandments has to be part of that faith.
Most of the church doctrine supports what Ben is saying by drawing a cross and showing the text "Law" on the left of the Cross and the text "Grace" on the right.
You pointed out in Mathew 5:17 that we should "not even think!!" that He came to abolish the Law or the Prophets, and in verse 19, Jesus is saying that we have to teach even the least of the commandments. This is part of the great commission!!
Hebrew 11 is one of my favourite chapters in scripture, listing a whole list of the Old (First) Covenant believers and all of them were saved through faith, not works, but all of them also walked in God's ways following His instruction/Torah!!
The difference between the offerings of Cain and Abel. The heart matters.
Ben gets his information from the Talmud (old testament commentaries ) interpreted by his rabbi. He doesn't understand Christianity, that the entire OT points to Jesus and His accomplishing the covenant of redemption. Ben is very smart, and I agree with him on almost everything politically, but he is wrong here. And his false caricature of what Judaism is vs Christianity, tells me he doesn't have the incentive to seek the truth. The commandments are a transcript of God's character, which is Holy. None of us can become Holy on our own accord, which is why need a savior. Jesus fulfilled the righteous requirement of the law, and His perfect righteousness is imputed to the account of those who trust in Him. Ben needs a righteousness that is not his own; but he's under the false assumption that his "good works" can make him right before a Holy God. I pray that His eyes are open to the gospel. Excellent video Jeff!
Amazing commentary and bible study! Much love from Holland ♥
What up fellow brother's and sister's in Christ!
God is good and Christ is King.
@@Ransetsu
Amen!
7:55, where does the Bible say there is none righteous, without first stating that they are fools, like in psalms 53:1-3?
I’ve really wanted to hear a rebuttal to his viewpoint so I have a better idea what to mention if it ever comes up for me in conversation! Thankyou so much!
Curious on your take on leviticus 19:22
Always a good one, Pastor Jeff.
Right on! Presenting caricatures of Christianity is so misleading. Thanks for presenting so well the relationship of faith and works.
At 04:55 great salient points.
Also in the Genesis 15 passage, God puts Abraham asleep so he's 100% passive & Jehovah is 100% performing Covenant Promise by HIMSELF.
Now that's "the Sovereignty of GOD" in action.
Sad to say, Ben Shapiro & his branch of "faith" has re-written God's Covenant in terms sensible to them, something they can perform.
"Strange Fire" is nothing new...
This was some great Insight Jeff!! Thank you
I have watched John MacArthur, William Lane Craig, and Voddie Bauchman witness to Ben Shapiro and I don't think he " hears" the Gospel, so I pray the Holy Spirit regenerates Ben so he will hear the Gospel.
You got to stop thinking that modern day "jews" like Shapiro, have anything to do with the Old Testament. They have the Talmud, which is their New Testament, and which even instructs to contradict the Torah on many occasions. Second, there was no such thing as "jews" even in Biblical times. There was stock of the prophets Abraham, Issac and Jacob, and the Israelites, and there were Judeans, who were the "mixed multitudes" of Canaanites etc.... Even Paul said he's a "Hebrew" propper term, and when he stated he's a "Jew of Tarsus" he meant location Judean, like a Californian.
Yep, and Kabbalah and the Zohar. Synagogue of satan
Incorrect almost from the outset.
The Talmud isn't a Jewish New Testament. (And actual Jewish scholars call the New Testament "clearly Jewish" (just not the strain that came to be seen as Judaism later).)
The Talmud to Jews is a collection of traditions and arguments. It's not a systematic body of belief.
They study it much like Eastern Orthodox study the Patristics, which also disagree on much and thus with similar effects.
@infinitelink nope, you're wrong. Don't know what you think is "incorrect", but you don't know what you're talking about. 13th Century Paris Disputations are great proof of what the Talmud is to the jews
So many ads... had to constantly stop what I'm doing and skip them just to keep my train of thought.
You have to do a interview with Ben. It would be so interesting!
Excellent the law is our schoolmaster and by faith we are born again and His power is in us
Jeff, I love your heart and your content, but the background music is really distracting.
To be fair, what Ben said was that Christianity is about faith first and good works coming out from that. But everything Jeff said was pretty much straight fire. Very well presented.
I’m a Jewish man ..oldest of three …brothers … I’m a Hamashiach Jew …born again … as god calls … I see no logic to Rabbinic Jewish Religious life … not unlike RC religious life ….
Performed religious practices…are rejected by god in Isaiah… straight from the box …
Yeshua the hamashiach…. Rejects religious actions with costumes …theatre … outwardly pious behaviour and self righteousness….
Therefore the gate is narrow in the new covenant..[ described in Jeremiah] Born again is the only way …. Unmerited Grace and favour … called ..
Content is great, as always. Background music is distracting and becomes more and more irritating the further in I listen.
As smart as Ben can be in some things, and I don't mean this disrespectfully but I don't know how else to say it, he is completely incompetent on theological thinking. I remember around the time he tried to write that ridiculous book on religion and all the nonsense he was spouting from it, well it made it clear to me. I remember I saw in an interview he was basically asked what his view of an afterlife is from Judaism and he basically said you get literally absorbed into God and become part of Him. Basically merge with Him and literally become part of God's being. [sound familiar to any new age/eastern religions?]. Maybe his view has changed but I was shocked when I heard him saying that. I think it was some interview around the time he was writing that book about religion.
And honestly, what do you expect? Look at the Christians that are with him on the Daily Wire. I mean they were once asked in an interview that from a Christian perspective did they think that Ben Shapiro might have to be held accountable for his sins and go to hell because he rejects Christ, and I know at least the ones who spoke up basically joked to get out of it but basically said nah he will make it to heaven anyway probably. I mean it was a ridiculous answer that you had sitting there 4 Christians with Ben and not one of them when presented actually could state what Jesus clearly taught on the subject.
Don't get me wrong I love the daily wire guys but it was quite sad. I mean I get Klavan is a pretty liberal Christian cause he has trouble with the homosexuality being wrong thing [not that he is homosexual, but that it is wrong in general], and Knowles and Walsh are both Catholic so that does effect quite a bit their view on salvation [but even in the Catholic view, Ben isn't making it to Heaven dude..... well I guess unless Pope Francis has his way and everyone does cause whatevz] and Jeremy Boring seems to constantly take scripture out of context and twist it for his own points and seems to have quite a bit of disdain for people who take the Bible for what it actually means [just my impression on him from watching him a lot when these questions come up][and he is a prime example of a pick and choose what parts of the bible you like sort of guy, and then reinterpret the stuff you don't like out of it, and then anyone who wants the Bible to actually mean what it says he says they are worshiping the Bible and using it as a totem or something and gets all mad at them]. But it was still sad. They are nice guys and they say they are Christians, but can't even tell someone the basic fundamentals of Jesus when asked on it. Not one of them and then even says the opposite.
Don't get me wrong, I quite like all of them over there at the Daily Wire of that group. But you almost have to turn off the video if they try and talk deeply about religious issues. Oh sometimes they make a few good points, sure, but often it ends up being just ridiculous and theologically a joke despite them being quite smart on other issues.
It would be nice to see Ben with a calvinist and non calvinist. Calling calvinism christianity is debatable. Ben did a great job asking questions when talking to alley stuckey
Great series. Phenomenal video
Easy to see why so many Jews get it wrong... Hearing Ben mention what he does, would argue Judaism is faith based as well... We read "Abraham believed God, it was counted unto Him as righteousness..." Or reading Gen 15 when reading about the convenient God made with Abraham... It was only God that passed through the animal pieces, so it relies on God alone. Even in the N.T. Abraham is call "The father of our faith.." as we read in Rom 4:16) For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all,
Isaiah 43:10-11 44:-6-8 Zechariah 8:23 true or false
Why the annoying background music? Its distracting
What were some of the Rabbinic answers to the question of how a human being could see the Lord and live? According to Exodus 33:20, God said to Moses, ‘You cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.’ Yet in Exodus 24:9-11, less than ten chapters earlier, we read, ‘Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up [Mount Sinai] and saw the God of Israel…But God did not raise his hand against these leaders of the Israrelites…How can this be explained? Abraham Ibn Ezra interpreted the text to mean that they saw God in a prophetic vision. Then why did God tell them in 24:1 to actually go up the mountain to the Lord, remaining at a distance from him while Moses alone drew near? And why does the text point out that God did not life his hand against them, as would have been expected? Obviously, this was more than a prophetic vision….The Targum also had a problem with these verses and could not translate them directly, rendering instead, ‘They saw the glory of the God of Israel…they saw the glory of the Lord.’ 42 Yet the text says, ‘They saw the God of Israel…they saw God.’” - Brown, Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus, Volume 2, Theological Objections, p. 28-29
As Dr. Brown explains, in order to avoid the conflict created by scripture’s declaration that certain figures actually saw YHWH, some ancient Jewish sources simply denied and then altered the plain meaning of the texts. This demonstrates that these ancient sources recognized that the standard reading of the text did indeed describe individuals seeing God. After all, if they didn’t perceive that the text taught that men had seen God, they would not have seen the need to alter the texts to avoid that very prospect.
Commenting specifically on Exodus 3 as another example in which Moses is recorded as seeing God, Dr. Brown goes on to say the following.
“‘Well,’ you might say, ‘what about Exodus 3. Doesn’t that chapter equate seeing the angel of the Lord with seeing God?’ You’re getting very close!…How does the Targum Onkelos translated the end of verse 6? Moses ‘was afraid to look beside the glory of the LORD.’ Once again, the Targum found it impossible to say what the Scripture said. It was too direct, too clear. Another Targum, called Pseudo-Jonathan, took this even further, translating that Moses was afraid to look at ‘the glory of the Shekhina of the LORD.’” - Brown, Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus, Volume 2, Theological Objections, p. 30
From the quote above, we can once again clearly see that the ancient Jewish Targums recognized that for men to see YHWH God and live was problematic. But rather than coming to the conclusion that Moses’ reached when he faced this same problem, the Targums came up with alternate explanations. As we saw earlier in Exodus 33-34, Moses reconciled the fact that men saw God with the axiom that seeing God would bring death by concluding that men were seeing God in a humbler form, not his fully glorified form, which would be lethal to them. But what do the Targums conclude instead?
The Targum Onkelos apparently altered the meaning of the text to suggest that Moses merely looked “beside” the glory of God rather than looking directly. The Targum Pseudo-Jonathan adopted its own explanation, asserting instead that Moses didn’t look at YHWH God himself but at a being, emissary, or aspect of God designated by the title “the Shekhina.” However, it is worth noting that in the Targum Pseudo-Jonathan the term “Shekhina” is simply being used as an interchangeably title for the figure known as “the angel of YHWH.” But by identifying the figure that Moses saw as “the Shekhina,” this solution actually acknowledges that the text is identifying “the angel of YHWH” or “the Shekhina” by the name “YHWH God.” Rather than avoiding or providing an alternative to the Trinitarian conclusion, this solution ends up affirming it.
And ultimately, as we can see, the ancient Jews recognized the fact that according to the Old Testament, to see the angel of YHWH is to see YHWH God. Ancient Jewish sources recognized the issues raised by these facts. But their attempts to explain it either alter the text, don’t differentiate significantly in form from the Trinity, or raise the specter of sub-deities as the God of the Exodus.
Commenting still further, Dr. Brown cites additional examples and summarizes both the predicament and the attempted solution, which was simply to alter the wording.
“According to Exodus 33:20, no one can see God or his face and live. Yet the Hebrew Bible preserves numerous instances of people ‘seeing God.’…Exodus 24:9-11 states that Moses and a select group of Israelites saw God, who did not strike them down. The Targum says that they saw the glory of God…Jacob, who wrestled with the angel of the LORD, said that he had seen God face to face (Gen. 32:30). The Targum changed this to, “I have seen the angel of the LORD face to face.” The exact same change is made in Judges 13:22. In Exodus 3:1-6, the angel of the Lord, equated with the Lord himself in the text, appeared to Moses in flaming fire in a bush, and Moses looked away because he was afraid to look at God. The Targum says that he was afraid to look near the glory of the LORD.” - Brown, Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus, Volume 2, Theological Objections, p. 29-30
Fourth, ancient Judaism recognizes that the figure known as the Spirit of YHWH is also regarded as being a distinct yet equal figure within the Godhead of YHWH in similar fashion to the angel of YHWH. This can be seen in the following two quotes. The first quote, which we have seen earlier, comes from Microsoft Encarta and in it Encarta describes how the Word and the Spirit of God were regarded as “secondary divine beings.” Specifically, Britannica uses the plural “beings,” indicating that the Word and the Spirit were regarded as distinct rather than being regarded as different titles for the same being or figure.
Very well said Pastor!!!! GOD bless you and your's. Thank you for your Faith, understanding, teachings and Love through JESUS our redeemer!!!!!!!!!
What color robe did they put on Jesus? Before his death?
One thing missed in this video is also that for most Jewish Atheists Ben and Jeff are not speaking to what these people think. Most Jews who call themselves Jewish atheists arent thinking about Jewish practice (aka Judaism). They are identifying with their Jewishness (culture and lineage which YES does have some to do with traditions at times).
Abe’s Justification by faith before the Torah
“just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?”
Galatians 3:6 ESV
How can you obey the first and second commandment as an atheist?
6:30, if Abraham was gifted his belief, why is he credited with righteousness? Your calvinist belief doesn't allow for abraham to believe based on logic or reason, correct?
It was Christ in Abraham who believed, not Abraham per se.
@@lawrence1318 verse please? You make it sound like we have no part in believing or not in the Gospel
@@rocketsurgeon1746 You're only a babe in Christ and so are still on proof-texting (sort of like pulling out a Chinese Fortune Cookie for an answer). Theology is not at the proof-text level, but based on principles which are derived according to certain delineated structures.
So we don't just pull out a verse and say "there!". If it were that simple there'd be no theological arguments and no theological colleges.
Suffice to say at present that what I have pointed out is correct: it was Christ in Abraham who believed and not Abraham per se. Now ... if you spend a lot more time reading and studying the New Testament you should come to the same conclusion. But you must spend a LOT more time.
@@lawrence1318 not a babe at all. Ad hominem is the standard the calvinists use to end arguments. Not going to happen. You are clearly prideful and foolish, based on your above comments. Stick to the argument. You are wrong and need to study outside of your calvinist cult
@@lawrence1318 so, give me a verse showing we do not choose to repent. Can you debate like an adult Christian or are you going to throw out more red herrings and ad hom?
I’d love to see a collaboration with you and Rabbi Tovia Singer on if Jesus fulfilled the prophecies of the messiah.
Ben had John Macarthur on his show and that vid is on utube,Mr Macarthur gave Ben the Gospel perfectly from both Old and New testaments,Ben didnt believe just like the when Christ came before,the Jews rejected Him,as does Ben,let of pray earnestly for him,its his only hope
John also told Ben in that video that Judaism and Christianity have the same God. Which is a load of horse Pucky
They are the same God,Macarthur 50yrs pastor same church, PHD Talbot Theological seminary, author of over 40 books,created the Macarthur study Bible,just some of his accomplishments, pretty sure he knows more than you😉
@@rickhanna2606 judaism and Christianity are not morally the same. Just a casual reading of both the Bible and the Talmud make that very clear. Christianity is the antithesis of Judaism. Different morality equals different gods.
Hebrews 9:27,then you'll know the answer,Godbless you friend
@@rickhanna2606 so you have nothing to say
My question is how well would 7 commandments mix with the 10 commandments?
Thank you Jeff for your insight. God bless you and your family in Jesus name. 🙏🏻
And what parties were involved in killing Jesus?
The Judahites
thats was so great and amazing! thanks
Wow, the adblocker is no longer working on RUclips?!
Let’s have a real conversation and talk about Kabbalah and the Talmud. You know, things Jews actually believe in
Oh, then, you’d have to talk about money, too.
You'd then have to point out that many know little or nothing about the Talmud, many who do take it as a collection of various positions in argument not a systematic doctrine, and the Kabbalah believers are a sort of separate cult within Jewish groups...
Before talking about the Mishnah, commentaries, various sects and schools...
Saying "Jews believe" is encompassed well in the jokes from Jews themselves like
"a man asks for the opinion of two Rabbis and gets five..."
@ricksonora6656 so you have multiple accounts and are doing damage control for evil talmudist jews. Okkike
I’d rather not discuss that diabolical Talmud. I am full aware of all the nastiness that it contains
@@infinitelink look how subversively your mind works. Go back to Israel, Kike.
Ben Shapiro probably has never read Isaiah 53 because that's an OT that gives a clear description of Jesus' crucifixion. In fact not many people who actually follow Judaism don't even know that Jesus was Jewish or many things in the OT.
Some of them believe that He was a Catholic, Protestant, etc, but not Jewish. Many of them believe that Christians were responsible for the death of Jews because Hitler said that he was a Catholic, which is 1 of the reasons many of them reject Jesus.
Christianity, Catholicism, etc didn't exist until after Jesus left the Earth. If you read Acts 26:11, that's the scripture that mentions Christianity for the 1st time.
They're likely unaware of the fact that Hitler burned many books & over 90% of them were Bible's because it's a Jewish book & Hitler also wanted a non Jewish Bible. They're also told not to read the NT because they're told that if they do they'll get kicked out of the Synagogue.
This is also another reason why that many of them don't know why don't know that Jesus was Jewish. If they did they would know that Jewish 1st preached in a Synagogue at age 12.
How would he be able to do that if He wasn't Jewish? We all know that He was called Rabbi, which no gentile was ever called to this day. They're not being told all the true about details about Jesus.
Other question who’s claiming more authority?
what is your general conclusion on predestination and the elect?
Jeff is a calvinist, reformed baptist.
@@godzillioinaire answers my question. Thanks.
Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 124:
وَإِذِ ابْتَلَىٰ إِبْرَاهِيمَ رَبُّهُ بِكَلِمَاتٍ فَأَتَمَّهُنَّ قَالَ إِنِّي جَاعِلُكَ لِلنَّاسِ إِمَامًا قَالَ وَمِن ذُرِّيَّتِي قَالَ لَا يَنَالُ عَهْدِي الظَّالِمِينَ
And when his Lord tried Ibrahim with certain words, he fulfilled them. He said: Surely I will make you an Imam of men. Ibrahim said: And of my offspring? My covenant does not include the unjust, said He.
(English - Shakir)
via iQuran
The background music is really distracting
I would be willing to bet that even Ben Shapiro would not show up for this debate, because he is intellectual and self aware enough to realize that he chooses to have a blind spot in this area.
Can you do a video on Hebrew roots??!
Pastor Jeff, have you ever invited Ben to a debate? I don't think he would oppose. He's already had conversations with pastor John Macarthur and dr. William Lane Craig.
You should debate him officially!
Please do more on this subject!!! I know many people who are moving away from traditional Christian holidays and going back to Jewish holidays. Their arguments is Jesus celebrated them and Christians have adopted pegan holidays.
I thought Jesus fulfillment release us from the law. Maybe I’m mistaken?
So are we under torah ( the law or just the 10 commandments?)
The Christian is "dead to the law" (Rom 7:4.)
YES YES! YES PLEASE DO put Ben Shappiro in his place. Keep us posted
"I didn't come to abolish"... yet Pauline Christianity literally abolished the entire law and statutes.
Great stuff around the 7-min mark, what you're bringing up is the argument Paul makes in Roman 9. Not all children of Abraham are part of God's promise. It's always been grace through faith
Who would be considered children of Abraham?
The Word of Hod says that many will be deceived and spiritually blinded due to their rejection of Jesus Christ.
What's incredible about Christianity is that it is a beautiful picture of action and belief. "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned." Mark 16:16 There is an action that we are commanded to take part in, baptism, and we must have the belief that God will save us when we obey Him and live for Him. Many faith only people think baptism is archaic and not needed, it's a "work". Well, they're right, it is a work... a work of God where He circumcises our hearts. Baptism is a work of God and He washes us clean in the waters of baptism when we partake in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ!
No. When you're born again you are baptised by definition. Immersion in water is not necessary.
Ben Shapiro has also heard the truth about Jesus from John McArthur. Hope he sees the light before it is too late, and gets saved! Pray for him.
Ben also heard from John that Judaism and Christianity have the same God. That is nonsense.
Yes it’s clear Ben has never read Paul’s impassioned letter to the Galatians and then the more measured letter to the Romans.
his basis in this clip was just the opinions of people he has had on his show or in his circle. Does not seem likely he would ever do actual study of the bible in his current state
I don't think they view the New Testament as credible if I'm not mistaken.
Here’s what I struggle with.
I say that we obviously don’t kill steal commit adultery etc.
I know personally that we can see that we enter into continuous Rest in Jesus as read in Hebrews 4:1-10.
However if we say we keep the law how do we explain Sabbath to someone who’s taking this all literall-black and white?
I see Jesus tell us in Mathew 5 6 and 7 that we will always fall short of keeping the law,
I interpret that without us being covered in His Righteousness in His Blood we are doomed.
We now walk in Spirit not flesh.
Does that make sense?
We don't keep the law. We walk by faith instead.
_Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations..._ Matt 28:19. The great commission is about making disciples out of the nations, not making the nations into disciples. Huge distinction, here. The actual crop has always been just a remnant (Rom 9:27) and Jesus clarifies this in Matt 24:14 _And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come._ Being a "witness" a far different than converting everyone. Jeremiah was a witness, Isaiah was a witness. John the Baptist was a witness and a fore runner, but in the end he was beheaded. This isn't about losing, it's about truth. The harvest of the Saint's does eventually come (Matt 24:29-31, Rom 8:19, Rev 14:14-16)
I think being a Jew, Mormon, Atheist means to ignore the reason, logic and evidence of scripture.
2:53 "The God of the old testament", is this a different God? There is One God.
How do you love the Lord your God with all your heart if you are an athiest though?
What I find cool is Ben is being used to have the gospel being shared over and over by different Christians on his channel for Jews and atheist to hear.
Maybe that is Ben's secret.
Revelations 2:9 & 3:9, John 8:44 and Acts 7:43.
I had a dream well over 20 years ago it seemed to refer to Ezekiel when I found the dream after I dreamt it about 3 weeks later in an angel book from library
I’m Jewish. I have respect for Jesus and Christians. But I gotta say it’s quite disheartening that the most liked comment here puts down our Jewish writing …. . But hey I do appreciate the good Christians .
Is it not true Abraham was justified by the obedience of faith? So in a sense he was justified by his obedience, but the obedience was his faith.
How can you say obey God and yet do not even obey His instructions to assemble yourselves on His designated holy days which lay out the entire plan of salvation? You don’t need a temple to gather and worship. The sacrifice has been made so that’s not required. It just seems logical that God would rather we honor the days He designated rather than the days man created (ex: Christmas).
Brother everything i hear sounds spot on. I havent watched all your stuff but the stuff i have watched i dont see any preaching of the law. The sabbath, the high sabbaths, the preaching of worshiping of false Els.
Shapiro wouldn't fair too well in a debate with Durbin on religion. Shapiro is a lightweight in this realm. He's excellent when debating the politics of our day, however.