I’m really glad that you gentlemen are doing this video. I wish I was there you. Jesus Christ Superstar is my favorite “musical” by far. I have probably seen it 50 times if not more. I’m gonna back up the video and comment a lot.
I think Simon’s Song is one of the best scenes in the movie start with the followers dancing in. I actually do that song at Karaoke. 😀 “Their must be over 50,000 … and everyone of 50,000 would do whatever you ask them to. Keep them yelling their devotion, but add a touch of hate at Rome. You rise to a greater Power. We will win ourselves a home.” Watch how Jesus’s face changes when Simon sings that line. He stops smiling and looks around at the crowd. You can tell that he’s wondering if they are all thinking the same thing. Christ then sings “Neither you Simon, nor the 50,000, nor the Romans nor the Jews, nor Judas [ who is walking away and then turns and looks ] nor the Twelve, nor the Priests nor the Scribes, nor does Jerusalem itself, understand what Power is, understand what glory is …”
As far as Jesus being God: In Matthew, Mark and Luke Jesus NEVER says that he is God. I think he does in John, not sure. But, don’t forget John is different than the other Gospels. It was written with a different feel than the others. Pilate actually asks in the movie, if Jesus is the King of Jews and Jesus say “You’re words not mine.” Judas, in the first song implies that others are calling Him God. Herod says “Now I understand you’re God, at least the what THEY said.” So, we don’t have Jesus calling himself God, that’s what other are saying.
First! My first First actually! Anyway; I want you o let you guys know that there is a really great video here on RUclips that proposes a very cool theory about the movie. As we all know that the movie is a passion play. That being a re-enactment of the trial, crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ. However, this video says that the movie is not really about the passion play itself, but is about the actors participating in the passion play. It’s about them having a spiritual experience while portraying their characters. Watch the characters as they get back on the bus at the end. They have a haunted confused look on their faces. Look especially at Mary Magellan and Judas. They have a look on them that say “What did we just do?” They, the actors, now understand the true idea of the Christ, His Power and Majesty.
Father, why gave you forsaken me. I always took this meaning that Jesus was, at that moment, disconnected from the Father. Jesus was God and Human, but God can’t be killed and Christ has to die for our Salvation. So, Jesus’s divinity was separated from him. Somehow, he was still God and must always be. I don’t claim to fully understand this, but I’m not God, so it’s ok that I don’t.
I have heard that perspective before too, it seems to be one of the most common views. I actually just did an in-depth study of Jesus' last words in a video on our other channel @breweryministries if you want to check that out. It was very interesting to look into!
In the first song Judas say “ I remember how this whole thing began. No talk of God, then we called you a man.” The “cause” was political! In Jewish culture the Messiah was about saving them from the oppression of Rome. That what the Disciples, all of them, and Mary thought that what they were involved in. Judas had the same idea. However he thought it should be done more discretely and quietly. Now, as you guys said, Simon was a Zealot. He felt that the rebellion against Rome should be more out in the open so that more of the Jewish people would hear and see that something was going on, and they would join in the movement and help.
At the end of the movie, everyone gets back on the bus. Everyone but Jesus. They show him walking away into the desert. Supposedly that signifies the Resurrection. I agree with that. Also, in the movie Judas does realize that Jesus is God. He also come to the conclusion that God, the Father, used Judas to make the Sacrifice of Jesus happen. He then hangs himself. It’s implied that God also encourage/forced Judas to do that. The reason for this is so Judas does has to suffer with the guilt and he goes to Heaven. Now, this is considered heretical in most circles. Most says Judas Is burning in Hell. I did learn that it could be God made him do this, and brought him up into Heaven because he took away his free will. But, I also was told by a Priest that Judas is damned for all time. Sorry had to throw the name of the song in their.
Oh interesting! I wonder what the script writers' views on free will were. I could totally see that playing a role in how Judas' story and death were portrayed in the movie.
I’m really glad that you gentlemen are doing this video. I wish I was there you. Jesus Christ Superstar is my favorite “musical” by far. I have probably seen it 50 times if not more. I’m gonna back up the video and comment a lot.
I think Simon’s Song is one of the best scenes in the movie start with the followers dancing in. I actually do that song at Karaoke. 😀
“Their must be over 50,000 … and everyone of 50,000 would do whatever you ask them to. Keep them yelling their devotion, but add a touch of hate at Rome. You rise to a greater Power. We will win ourselves a home.” Watch how Jesus’s face changes when Simon sings that line. He stops smiling and looks around at the crowd. You can tell that he’s wondering if they are all thinking the same thing.
Christ then sings “Neither you Simon, nor the 50,000, nor the Romans nor the Jews, nor Judas [ who is walking away and then turns and looks ] nor the Twelve, nor the Priests nor the Scribes, nor does Jerusalem itself, understand what Power is, understand what glory is …”
That moment really stuck out to me as one of the best scenes too. And one that provokes a lot of thought!
Thank you guys! Wonderful!
Thank you!
As far as Jesus being God: In Matthew, Mark and Luke Jesus NEVER says that he is God. I think he does in John, not sure. But, don’t forget John is different than the other Gospels. It was written with a different feel than the others. Pilate actually asks in the movie, if Jesus is the King of Jews and Jesus say “You’re words not mine.” Judas, in the first song implies that others are calling Him God. Herod says “Now I understand you’re God, at least the what THEY said.” So, we don’t have Jesus calling himself God, that’s what other are saying.
First! My first First actually!
Anyway; I want you o let you guys know that there is a really great video here on RUclips that proposes a very cool theory about the movie. As we all know that the movie is a passion play. That being a re-enactment of the trial, crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ. However, this video says that the movie is not really about the passion play itself, but is about the actors participating in the passion play. It’s about them having a spiritual experience while portraying their characters. Watch the characters as they get back on the bus at the end. They have a haunted confused look on their faces. Look especially at Mary Magellan and Judas. They have a look on them that say “What did we just do?” They, the actors, now understand the true idea of the Christ, His Power and Majesty.
Oh wow that is really cool. I did notice the haunting vibe there but that hadn't occurred to me. Makes me want to watch the end again!
Father, why gave you forsaken me.
I always took this meaning that Jesus was, at that moment, disconnected from the Father. Jesus was God and Human, but God can’t be killed and Christ has to die for our Salvation. So, Jesus’s divinity was separated from him. Somehow, he was still God and must always be. I don’t claim to fully understand this, but I’m not God, so it’s ok that I don’t.
I have heard that perspective before too, it seems to be one of the most common views. I actually just did an in-depth study of Jesus' last words in a video on our other channel @breweryministries if you want to check that out. It was very interesting to look into!
In the first song Judas say “ I remember how this whole thing began. No talk of God, then we called you a man.”
The “cause” was political! In Jewish culture the Messiah was about saving them from the oppression of Rome. That what the Disciples, all of them, and Mary thought that what they were involved in. Judas had the same idea. However he thought it should be done more discretely and quietly. Now, as you guys said, Simon was a Zealot. He felt that the rebellion against Rome should be more out in the open so that more of the Jewish people would hear and see that something was going on, and they would join in the movement and help.
At the end of the movie, everyone gets back on the bus. Everyone but Jesus. They show him walking away into the desert. Supposedly that signifies the Resurrection. I agree with that.
Also, in the movie Judas does realize that Jesus is God. He also come to the conclusion that God, the Father, used Judas to make the Sacrifice of Jesus happen. He then hangs himself. It’s implied that God also encourage/forced Judas to do that. The reason for this is so Judas does has to suffer with the guilt and he goes to Heaven. Now, this is considered heretical in most circles. Most says Judas Is burning in Hell. I did learn that it could be God made him do this, and brought him up into Heaven because he took away his free will. But, I also was told by a Priest that Judas is damned for all time. Sorry had to throw the name of the song in their.
Oh interesting! I wonder what the script writers' views on free will were. I could totally see that playing a role in how Judas' story and death were portrayed in the movie.