IBEW Tells Carpenters' Head: Stop the Raids
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- IBEW Local 1 in St. Louis has provided the best trained and most professional electrical work force to the Gateway City since 1891.
But now local Carpenters' union head Terry Nelson, with the support of UBC President Doug McCarron, is attacking Local 1 and trying to stealing its work.
Instead of organizing nonunion carpenters, Nelson is signing sweetheart deal with nonunion electrical contractors and lowering wage and benefit standards set by the IBEW over generations.
But the IBEW and the Building Trades are fighting back, telling Nelson and McCarron to do their jobs and stop wasting rank-and-file carpenters' dues money raiding other unions.
Im a Carpenter and I approve this message! Carpenters should do carpentry and Electricians should do electrical! We should all work together on Union issues as a team and come up with solutions!
How it should be, we shouldn't be stabbing one another. When we scab one another, corporate America wins.
+tacuache56 = A+
@higuysimHerono FYI there is a 4-year backlog to get into the Carpenters Union in Illinois. Did I forget to mention 4 Year wait time on the waiting list just to get in.
Carpenters are the most scab union there is. They'll do everyone's work.
What trade are you in ?
Millwrights are worse
I am sorry but the IBEW has done this to themselves over the years. They run up the costs to the bigger jobs because they have to many good ole boys in the organization. Electricians sitting on the job trying to destroy the contractor. Guys who demand such high wages all the while not producing the work output to keep the costs down. They are more concerned about making sure they make the all mighty dollar while the contractors suffer from the overhead. And don't come on here giving me the business about this comment because I was once a member and was told on many jobs (large ones) to not work so hard. Take breaks when it was work time. The FLEAS in the union were set up solely for this purpose.
How is Local 57 doing today?
Do you want the job done right, or do you want it done cheap and fast, then have to pay again to have somebody come in after to fix it, as well as other issues caused by it. I'm appalled by your lazy worker comment. I bust my ass on every job, working 6-7 days a week anywhere from 8 to 12 hour days. When I'm finished my work, I know it's right and it looks damn good. I don't know where you're from, but in my Local we are extremely good at what we do.
Ask electricians Who should install Solar Panels in solar fields. They will say them because they generate power! Well so doesn't turbines and Hydroelectric dams. Then ask how the NLRB ruling went. Most GC's are signed to the Carpenters and there is something called contractor assignments. When electricians can't man jobs because they don't organize it hurts contractors. The contractors are the ones awarding the scope to the carpenters so stop hating and start organizing.
Funny, I do directional drilling, and it's funny how electricians think that they can bore. You don't see me trying to rewire a house or commercial building do you? Stick you your trade.
NO CE/CW. NO UNION BUSTING.
You don't like what Local 57 is attempting in St. Louis then don't accept what Ed Hill is attempting within the IBEW Locals.
I agree. CE/CW's are putting J/W's out of work.
Scabby....
Are you a part of a trade union?
Get this fixed now! This could spread like a cancer and ruin the all the union trades.
Down with scab 57!
John
Local Union #3 IBEW New York City
I don't agree with the carpenters taking over the electricians jobs, the carpenters would have blown this SOO out of proportion if the electricians tried to do carpenter work.
I belong to the IBEW, and am retired from a private electric utility. Our company decided to hire a non-union line contractor to do work on their property a few years ago as a hedge against a possible strike at contract time. After a short period of time, the company had to fire the scab outfit due to their extremely dangerous incompetence. In other words, they were afraid the untrained dumbasses were going to kill themselves on their property.
This breaks my heart. I'm a Union Carpenter apprentice, instead of causing a divide, we should stand together in solidarity to make a better life for ourselves and our family. Being in a union used to mean something, taking pride in your labor and your trade. Now, its been infiltrated by politics and corruption. Honestly, we need to work together and stop fighting like 16 year old girls.
Union propaganda. I worked for IBEW in Indiana and United Steel Workers and I fucking hated the whole idea of unions. They act like they have a monopoly in safety or training.
Bullshit. Scab nonsense
@wedontneedaclipnow To expand on that: It's the members job to force their leadership in that direction. I understand many building trades members have the mentality that cutting corners is OK, but remember you're the WORKER not the COMPANY! The company can't fall 500 feet to their death.
Wow @ 2:15. It sickens me when people who are paid to represent workers don't care about that workers safety.
@1alfie131 THE LIGHT WAS BUILT IN THE CABINET . Now do you understand? Or do I have to draw you a picture?
2) It's not the job of the union to test the qualifications of that person to get their ticket, that's the responsibility of the person to pass the standardized test the government gives. But there is no reason the person should fail it. The job of the union is to fight for our rights as workers, secure a good working wage, and over all help provide a better quality of life and work.
It may not be the job of the union to test the qualifications of the person preparing to qualify for his or her journeyman's license, but it is part lay the responsibility of the union to prepare that electrician apprentice for the basic qualifications to accomplish his goals in being able to meet those qualifications and be able to pass the Electricians License Test.
This needs too stop.. They are putting brother against brother...
Damn! Conflict of interests much?
if fact I could cut and excelled...I was kicked out because my "employer" did not concede time off to care for my dying parent (as an apprentice I was unable to take advantage of these befits he explained) and gave me choice of staying home or coming to work or care for my dying parent. I made my choice..PS just because you do not use OHMs law means you shouldn't know and understand it???? a union abides by nepotism - if i would have known someone "connected" I'd be good aka THE MOB ....peace
@wedontneedaclipnow he's an apprentice not paid to represent workers.
Does not the state lic the electrical trade not the union. here two years of school. then two years working as apprentices under a person that has masters lic. and then if the boss sign off you can take another state test to journeyman lic. they don't trust the unions to test the electricians.
Sam where is here? The program you mention sounds interesting.
Call call John document local 98
Master Electricians????? Are they master electricians just because they pay their dues? BTW, they go to classes and the teacher's give them the answers. You need to become a journey so you can get laid off. If you join IBEW and you become a journeyman, then you will be laid off most of the year, unless you have a friend with a business. You may as well get a job that pays $17 an hour, because you'll never make journeyman's wages for a whole year.
Something tells me you couldn’t cut it in the union
The problem is that the Union is always training more apprentices and it puts journeyman out of work because now the apprentice is cheaper and they fire the journeyman and have the apprentice do the job cheaper.This is done by the contractors not the Union.If you want to make this decrease in pay you have to get involved and stop training more people because we are over populated as it is and the competition for work is higher each year.Its usually the cheaper or lower bid that gets the job.
depends on witch locals, but contractors can just hire new apprentices, who are in their second to third year to do the work of jorneyman, and pay less. The journey man, would make 50 a hour but the apprentice would make 23-27. Its not thats theirs not enough work, its that contractors are just trying to bring in all the apprentices to do journeymens work so they save money.
Are the carpenters going to expand this program to other states? I'm looking to join a different union in California.
Local 57 Electrical contractors work in all 50 states. I’m the Business Rep
to The Philosophical Drug; after U dropped the big word, "ubiquitous", that U were trying to impress everybody with, U then used the word "your" in "if your a union man". At first, I thought, considering you're (the correct word usage) such an intelligent man, it's probably a typo. But then I saw your statement; "oh they pigs on the jobsite as well, less members"... Now I want to know how the fuck U made it through grade school, assuming that U did? I'm sure U meant "oh they are pigs...", but what could I know, I'm a Union Member of IBEW#58. And what's with the dangling "less members". That needs some support in that sentence, don't ya think? Those last words are rhetorical.
+Dave Burcar = A+
How about doing your work
In Canada, everything is regulated by the government. Even though we work through the different organizations, we still have to write the same tests and meet the same standards set for everybody else in the trades (union and non). We have 1.5 years of schooling and then 9000 working hours (works out to be about 5 years) before we're eligible to go write our test.
Carpenters are not a union trade as most of us know. Thew are the worst of the worst when it comes to Brotherhood. Anyone who says "I'm a union carpenter" is really saying "I'm a back stabbing no good piece of shit that will steal form anybody anytime anywhere"
And get out of The Sudetenland! If you don't know what I'm talking about - That's part of the problem.
LOL, been a union laborer all my life.. LIUNA BUILDS AMERICA! We will never have to worry, straight up!
Lmao in my 5 years as an electrician I've never been on a job with union laborers, granted thats in the southeast. Hopefully someday I'll be on a completely union job.
@@tylerhill9510 Pretty hilarious comment there skippy.. Uuum lesson for the day,Bridges, Hwy's, roads, all major underground pipeline, water,sewer, storm drain, even electrical conduit, work performed by union operators & laborers. So kind of confused what your saying. LIUNA is actually a stronger union than the IBEW. FACTS!
@@Jdoggy2448yup laborers steal work too. Scum
Are you kidding me .Talk about stealing jobs. I have been a carp. steward on several jobs and the most trouble I have run across has come from IBEW (I Block Every Walkway). Installing cabinets because a light in them ? Hanging curtains because they have a cord? Installing masonite food signs with a caulkgun. I have had to get a sparky to move a 2 headed light from one floor to another.45min. to get tools out 30min. breaks 45min. lunch 45min. to put tools away. 5hr 15min work for 8hr pay get real
you may be an electrician or A lineman after 4 or 5 years not A jurneyman til after 10 yrs
Your point?
It takes longer than A few years . We never learn it all.
This makes me sick!!!!
they have a saying in greece my brothers and how the 57 whants to aplly it is just the same.apo ekso koukla kai apo mesa panoukla !!! which means,all dolled up on the outside and plague on the inside ! i hope they understand where they are heading with this
right, no bueno
Sparky's don't work hard
Maybe on some jobs but come on out on a full day of pulling parallel runs of 200 - 400 feet 4/0 copper to 100KC mil for service. As well, setting switch gear and terminating mechanical rooms with several levels of pipe rack. How about mounting 2 decker bus duct through a factory that is in full production. When you have done these jobs as a sparky and then say we don't work hard...then I will listen.
IBEW STANDS FOR
I'M BROKE EVER WEEK
$58 an hour. We are not broke every week you loser.
Hool7gan I Benefit Every Week ;-) is what stands for for myself. Pay and benefit packages including annuity, pension, health and welfare fund and on the job safety are among the best in the IBEW. Proud member for 18 years and I couldn't imagine working non union ever again.
76 dollars an hour
Yes and I'm broke every winter.
IBEW stands for; In Bred Electrical Worker. Don’t think so? Look at Local-1 and 2’s hiring practices, of the last 30 years. More recent, ask about “Henry’s boy” for-1 and “The Czech Man” for-2. Very schoemehl considering all the good people available in this area.