Quick 861DW vs Hakko FR810 hot air station review
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2:00 - Hakko FR-810 unboxing.
4:53 - Quick 861DW unboxing.
7:26 - Which station makes for easier use of desk space?
9:03 - Quick 861DW interface.
11:00 - A quick overview of my preferred interface and why it is important to be able to change air/heat settings QUICKLY.
11:52 - Hakko FR-810 interface.
12:23 - The FR-810 interface is worse than a 1980s alarm clock.
14:05 - How many button clicks to change setting on Quick vs. Hakko.
15:10 - Quick 861DW program settings & correcting the instruction manual programming procedure.
19:16 - Auto turnoff feature on Quick vs. Hakko
20:14 - Quick 861DW removing RAM chip from 820-3437 board A - 42 seconds.
21:52 - More BS in setting Hakko temperature.
23:26 - Hakko FR-810 removing RAM chip from 820-3437 board B - 140 seconds.
27:05 - Hakko FR-810 removing RAM chip from 820-3437 board A - 96 seconds.
29:25 - Quick 861DW removing RAM chip from 820-3437 board B - 33 seconds.
30:57 - Quick 861DW included nozzles.
32:26 - Quick 861DW ISL6259 removal with nozzle.
32:55 - Quick 861DW RAM chip removal with nozzle.
33:36 - Conclusion - Quick 861DW destroys the Hakko FR-810.
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2:00 - Hakko FR-810 unboxing.
4:53 - Quick 861DW unboxing.
7:26 - Which station makes for easier use of desk space?
9:03 - Quick 861DW interface.
11:00 - A quick overview of my preferred interface and why it is important to be able to change air/heat settings QUICKLY.
11:52 - Hakko FR-810 interface.
12:23 - The FR-810 interface is worse than a 1980s alarm clock.
14:05 - How many button clicks to change setting on Quick vs. Hakko.
15:10 - Quick 861DW program settings & correcting the instruction manual programming procedure.
19:16 - Auto turnoff feature on Quick vs. Hakko
20:14 - Quick 861DW removing RAM chip from 820-3437 board A - 42 seconds.
21:52 - More BS in setting Hakko temperature.
23:26 - Hakko FR-810 removing RAM chip from 820-3437 board B - 140 seconds.
27:05 - Hakko FR-810 removing RAM chip from 820-3437 board A - 96 seconds.
29:25 - Quick 861DW removing RAM chip from 820-3437 board B - 33 seconds.
30:57 - Quick 861DW included nozzles.
32:26 - Quick 861DW ISL6259 removal with nozzle.
32:55 - Quick 861DW RAM chip removal with nozzle.
33:36 - Conclusion - Quick 861DW destroys the Hakko FR-810.
If Quick hot-air works for you then you could also try Quick soldering stations like Quick 202D or QK202D (QK it's rebrand I guess). It's 90W heater using induction (400kHz) to heat tips.
Im checking dutch webshops. The guys who bought it wrote reviews, telling you recommended it and thats why they bought it and they are supper happy.
Would hakko fr 810 be good for quick blow ;)
I know you shouldn't have to but to fix the light issue either install LED's or just use a powerboard or surge protector that claims to smooth out the power like a Monster or Belkin!
This reminds me of comparing a iPhone X Max and a Motorola G5s Plus one is cheaper and gives you the fast charger in the box 1080p great battery life a 3.5mm jack and still works great the other is much more expansive does not come with a fast charger, does not charge out of the box has a 1080p screen no headphone jack!
They were right, you were doing your viewers a disservice by not reviewing the Hakko unit. We never knew how bad it was until you did! Thanks Louis for taking the time to do this!
Anytime! :D
Today I learned that reviews from a person with integrity is more enjoyable than reviews from paid shills.
bro.........derp......kids these days lol
@@broderp so a pro who wants to have a good product and is critical of inferior product is a bad thing?
Are these sold on his site lol
@@CrashRacknShoot inferior as in ur personal bias and hatred?
@@therealb888 what the hell are you talking about?
This trend of push button digital interfaces frustrates me to no end. Dials work well and easily without looking!
The push buttons drive me insane for the up/down. I'd spend another $20 to get them as rotary-encoders.
No kidding! Rotary encoders are not that expensive. I don't get why every electronics engineer designs products with push buttons where a dial should be. Volume buttons on radios really bug me.
I would prefer one but for what this costs it is hard to complain. At over $500 I would mention lack of rotary encoders as a con.
For sure, at the price, I'd definitely not be complaining, certainly not a deal breaker.
Maybe rotary things are seen as to antiquated/lower-budget by the designers.
with buttons like that, all you need is some basic CMOS logic chips to hack in some rotary encoders. seems like it could be a simple add-on to me, but a teardown would tell us more.
About holding down preset button to save setting, it is actually extremely intuitive, at least for drivers as usually radio presets in car radios are being set same way.
I think it is generally intuitiv, as just pressing the button to set could also mean that instead of calling the preset you replace it with the current one.
i just received this that Quick station, and allowed me to fix this old amplifier where the mosfets were soldered to the heatsink. Thank you for your video, and demonstration which led me to easier repair work!
Thank you for confirming I made the right decision on my recent purchase of the Quick 861DW. Great review, keep up the good work!
I have to say that this is the most honest and straight forward review of product comparison that I have ever seen. Good for you, for being honest with your evaluation and not recommending, or even fluffing the comparison for more revenue. There should be more product reviews like this. I wonder how many people actually purchased inferior equipment because the review was dollar motivated instead of being straight and honest. Thank you for being straight. You rock.
I noticed the Hakko took longer to reach the set temp then the quick did, which is why I guess they call it quick. This is probably why the quick out performed the Hakko. I'm curious to see if the Hakko has a setting that would allow it to reach optimum temp faster. The temp fluctuations on the Hakko we're odd as well for a hot air station, not really a consistent warm up. My number 1 concern is the longevity of the Quick. Which only time can tell. Clear winner though is the Quick if it lasts even half as long as the hakko cause you can buy two of them cheaper then the Hakko. Thanks for the review and I can see why you disliked the Hakko.
check aliexpress. the replacement only costs $60
+S.A. Smith And Hakko isn't even a western brand... it's Japanese, the Japanese were the original killers of western brands due to putting effort into the design process. And now even they're falling behind.
I have 7 year old Quick 861DS still running strong with original heater. No concern about reliability.
Jonathan Tabor you are perfectly right.
S.A. Smith if you refer to Hakko, it is Japanese brand.
Don't turn it on, take it apaaaaaart!
But seriously, a look on the internal construction of both would be nice.
Jorno lol I love Dave Jones.
Good idea, I would like to see that too! :D
This guy is right, it will be interesting to see how well the heating elements are designed, although Quick is living up to it's name, what extremes temperatures can cause damage to itself? we seen you struggle to get a replacement heating element for the Weller before, is the parts readily available or is this priced at a disposable heat gun (aka 2 years use max, buy another)
J Walker, Luis takes apart and fixes electronics on a daily basis and that includes operation of multiple high temperature equipment. Either his building insurance is already solid, or he stopped giving a fuck about that a loooong time ago.
godhacker, both types are brusheless. 861DW has small motor, there are also 200l/m versions which have much larger motor.
I just bought the Quick from your website. Thanks Louis, keep up the great work, I alway enjoy your videos!
+Proto G thank you!
The Hakko had an advantage on it's second run because it was 200 or so degrees when you lifted the handle. Also, the metal piece in the base of the quick is for removing and installing nozzles and you can rest the handle down there to warm it up or so it won't cool down while you put it down. Air is so powerful on quick you blew components off the board even though Jessa say's it's not possible. Lights may have flickered because the quick is more powerful. Also you have to watch where the hakko is placed because it blow hot air at your monitor while cooling down and the quick is blowing hot air into a metal base. Also look at how easy it is to change the heating element on the quick.
Not to mention it took longer to just set the temp on the Hakko than it took to set up the Quick and take the chip off.
I also cringed at the Hakko blowing hot air onto his screen.
Hakko UI is always crap. I don't know why they keep insisting on that garbage.
Why? Because, some electrical engineer got paid once to design an interface for use by assembly line workers over 10 years ago, then... Sales said, "Should be fine for hobbyists and pro repair service folks too. That way we don't need to take a loss on our profane profit margin."
He didn't say anything about Louis insisting on it, he's talking about Hakko! Pay attention!
I recently bought one and picked it up in your store. I'm glad that the price of a good hot air station has came down to an affordable price
2:25 vs 18:09 I don't know what to believe, Louis.
d3c0de I'm sure he ment "Like I had to do"
He had to because that piece of art is so difficult to figure out that he had to read the manual in order to explain the problem to the viewers.
well he didn't have to read the manual for just setting the temp, so that's good. it's the extra features that can't be made very obvious easily is not a problem requiring to read the manual, the problem starts when the manual is wrong
Well for me holding the ch1 button to set temperature and airflow was obvious.
+Andre Yup, obvious for me as well
Don't listen to this video, it's nothing but HOT AIR!
and your just being a blowhard *roflmao*
Clever this one is. -Yoda
Can i use my hair dryer
This video is the reason why I ordered the Quick 861dw and will soon be on my bench to replace the cheap one I had started with.
bought the 861DW half a year ago and never looked back.This thing performs! Also the wellers, hacko's and JB stations are way to expensive here in europe. If I would have had a better budget I probably bought one of those expensive once. But watching your review now I'm glad I have the 861DW anyway. As for solder station I think hacko is still the nr 1 for me. Same reason as for the hot air station, Weller and JB are just too freaking expensive here.
Was already planning on buying the quick based on the review that TCRS Circuit did. I'm surprised at the performance gap and especially at the usability gap between the two with the cheaper station being better in both cases. Also Hakko surprised me by not including nozzles, at that price...
Personally I think this great. Since rework is new to me the quick is very affordable to get a tool to learn a new skill and be able to do more kinds of repair :)
Thanx for taking the time to make this.We really enjoy your work!
This is exactly what I was looking for, thanks so much for making this! I am a Hakko man through and through but lately the rising cost of their products combine with the astronomical cost of needed but not included accessories has pushed me to look at different brands.
The quick channel feature and having to hold down the button actually makes intuitive since to me. Yeah the manual should have been worded properly but I think most people could have figured that out without the manual. But Wow I kinda want to order that Quick now.
Also let us know if either takes a crap after using it for a while.
Will do!
Louis Rossmann thank you.
i work with that Quick for 8 years and it still ok, heating element was replaced once
17:48 Setting the quick's memory is as easy as setting a radiostation memory on a car radio.
21:11 How long before the monitor bezel is melted by the Hako ?
I kept looking and thinking his monitor screen was going to start having issues from the heat...
I just checked ebay for it, the quick is 249€ here in Germany, free shipping... obvious new station for me. Thanks for the great review Louis. Spot on, as always.
Link?
In other words you run 2 Quicks into the ground, and make all the money you can from doing that, and have a 150 bucks left over for booze and burritos, not to mention what you save on nozzles. Hakko needs a new plan.
And have a couple extra heaters on hand so you don't have to use the Dewalt hotair station again. :)
Don't forget that you won't go insane trying to remember how to make adjustments to airflow and temperature.
@@DataToTheZero sanity is priceless.
"I'm not gonna try and guess" *immediately tries to guess*
I got myself this station for christmas 2021, and couldn't be happier with it. The flickering is most likely caused by the 1 kW heater being pulsed off and on to regulate temperature.
thank you for the review, thing is Louis I would have pressed and HOLD the Channel number within seconds as that would be the same process as a Car Radio, if you jump between vehicles you find HOLDing a channel is what you normally do to a radio, so it working just like a car radio to store your favourite stations
Alarm clock of the 80s vs. alarm clock of the 90s ;)
Thank you very much for your thorough review, Louis!
I would so love to see more analog controls on most anything these days ... It's new it has a "smart" interface ... I selected my soldering station to have an analog knob just to be able to set it in .2 seconds
After my Yihua rework station quite literally went China Syndrome and melted down (darn thing went white hot before I managed to turn it off) I did a LOT more research (that I should have done first doh) I found your Quick 861DW review.
Just got mine today and it’s excellent. So thanks for this, Louis. I would have bought it off you if I lived in the US for sure... but I’m in the UK and US import costs are MENTAL.
you get a comment and a like for smelling the new hot air station goodness.
(like what I use to do with new books way back when)
edit: the $500 brandname :,(
this review is what i was waiting for as the quick was om my list to buy for months !!!! thanks!!!!!
I everytime prefer to read user manual at first, but in case of Quick station i quit this after just briefly reading over pages. It seems that it´s translated somewhere in chinese factory from english to chinese and back to english. Anyway - few days ago I bought Quick 861DE (more powerful from DW) and it worth every cent. Brutal power on one side, and very fine performance on the other. It simply works and has no problem with anything i touched till now. Absolutely agree with every word you said. Fantastic machine, my best friend on my workbench. I´m using it with primitive preheater.
Btw excellent video, big thumbs up for quality, entertaining and very informative rewiew! Best wishes :)
Best review/comparison/recommendation EVER! I too am sick of Hakko's interface
Very well done!!! Love the thorough honest reviews. I am blown away by the quicks price/performance. In the beginning of this video I thought I picked up in a slight bias toward the hakko, then I believe I noticed the exact moment that all disappeared and turned inti pleasant surprise..
As always keep up the good work and it’s nice to see an honest review of comparable products. 👍👍👍
@38:00 he wrote an review??? but anyhow, all puns aside:
the Quick just went to temperature without any big hitches... the Hakko was programmed for 1100 but didn't go over 580... and took a LONG time reaching it. Hakko has to really look at themselves for usability of their products....
DataStorm exactly. The Quick is far better than the Hakko in all points.
Use each machine to try and disassemble the other in a hot air battle Royale! Round one, low heat. On your marks, get hot, blow!
I have had an Hakko 926 since 1989. Its plastic case fell to pieces so i made a polished aluminium case for it and transplanted the pcb and txformer into it. I replaced the crappy original plastic 5 pin socket for the iron handpiece electrical connection with a quality metal dc socket & plug and the station is still going perfectly today. After seeing this review I now realise Hakko have turned into Goldstar :( Lucky Goldstar changed their name - older techies will get this).
The metal fork in the bottom of the Quick stand is a wrench with catch tray for removing hot tips
Thanks for reviewing both and it really is a no-brainer of which one to buy.
I just found your channel today and I'm hooked! Totally buying the quick, thanks for the recommendation and review!
Lol just popped over to watch Dave's review and it's the exact same unit! Been a EEVblog and Amp Hour fan for years!
Quick 861DW ordered, my WEP 858d will be backup (not a horrible budget H.A. station)
I have the Hakko FX-888D. In order to adjust the temp I have to push up up down down left right start select.
I messed up the calibration the first time I used my D-888. It's a consumer level soldering Iron, I didn't think I'd need to use the manual :( But apparently my mistake is so common that Hakko has as the second page of a PDF that comes up when you google "Hakko 888d adjusting temperature" explaining how to reset the factory calibration. kb.hakkousa.com/Uploads/Attachments/4171b3e8-9367-45c9-acea-0f1b.pdf Of course, that won't fix the bluing on my soldering iron. What the F*** is wrong with Hakko UI design. I get trying to save money on buttons in the early 90s when cheap microchips had limited hardware but not in today's age? . It's got to be some sort of thinking that less buttons will look better to purchasing departments? Or that less buttons is less complex. Well, no it isn't if I have to press and hold buttons or us multiple buttons to get basic things done. One more button the 888D and it would be easy to use. Either that or Hakko only wants to sell products to people on assembly lines where changing settings is frowned upon.
I hope that you at least get infinite temperature with that adjustment
jeffescortx, I think that is for a video game. The actual buttons are:
Press and hold Enter,
Up several times to change MSD, If you overshoot you have to cycle back
Enter,
Up several times to change SMSD, If you overshoot you have to cycle back
Enter,
Up several times to change LSD, If you overshoot you have to cycle back
Enter.
The old FX-888 had a nice dial that you could adjust very quickly and accurately one handed without even looking at it. These push buttons suck the D real hard, and It's a major step backwards for usability. Buttons are great for activating a single discrete action (e.g. selecting a stored config), but they suck at pretty much everything else. ON/OFF must be a toggle switch, I don't want to look at things to see whether I'm switching them on or off. Temperature (and pressure, where relevant) settings should a dial, with stops for the minimum and maximum settings (like an old stereo volume knob). Are there many occasions where a hobbyist needs one degree precise selection? Anyone have an application that differentiates 400 *C from 401 *C [1]? Any dials should have a molded indicator, like the old 888, so you can feel it. If you have two or more dials they should feel different (whether because of size, or texture, or some other means).
Not having to look up is not only a time saver, but it is also an accessibility issue. Many people can see very well at short distances, but need glasses to discern details past arm's length. Other people, like me, need glasses or magnification when doing close work and need to remove the same to discriminate at a distance.
There is so much going on about putting haptic feedback into computer systems, but at the same time companies are taking tactile feedback out of products that used to have it inherently. If you need 14 pages of instructions, or if changing temperature requires a _minimum_ of seven button presses to complete then your UI and UX sucks donkey D --HARD.
Old style station required.
Plug it in.
- Done.
Turn the knob to desired temp.
- Done.
Switch it on,.
- Done.
Happy soldering.
- Thanks.
Want to change the temp?
- Yes.
Turn the knob.
- Cool, this is easy.
Do you want to read a manual?
- Do I need to?
Not really, it's just a one pager warning you not to lick various things.
- Great, I think I've got that covered.
1. specified precision not guaranteed by the hardware.
I'm still struggling with the "not to lick various things" part... But, I'm gettin' better.
That will only get you 30 more degrees.
If I didn't already have a cheap hot air station, I would totally buy a Quick now. Thanks for a great review Louis.
i have same quick station. Have to say that even saving profiles doesn't need opening manual. Its the only logical way of saving them. How else it could recognize your intention of saving? Same way work most of the car stereos when you want to save channels etc.
Im quite happy with this one. First hot air station for me and havent had much time yet to do anything but in future.
Finally you got the chance to use one of the quicks that we have all been going on about. Now lets watch the price sky rocket :)
Well I have a Saiké 852D+ bought for 30 dollars and very happy with it.
I love the smell of new hot air rework stations in the morning!
best reviews on youtube ever thank you
haven't quite reached the end of the video but one thing you haven't mentioned so far that i noticed was that the Hakko took much longer to reach its peak temperature than the quick, this is probably why the hakko was so much better in the timed ram removal, its all very well having a higher max temperature but if it takes 2 minutes to heat up then you're going to have a lot of waiting around.
I agree. I have Hakko; and the interface sucks. it works....but like you say,I find myself avoiding it! Thanks for the update. good info.
totally agree about the digital vs analogue interface. i by far prefer an analogue interface on a lot of pieces of equipmen, not just soldering or hot air stations but on stereo equipment, car heater, cooker heat and so on. Analouge is better for so many things
Watching this like my nerd ass is ever going to need a fucking hot air station. I just like this channel a whole bunch.
X P you totally need one, you just haven't realized it yet. I have the cheapo 858 or whatever it is you can get for $50-60 and it's super handy.
Very honest, straight forward review. Thanks.
Hakko has a very strange interface. It seems like the temperature is set with Fahrenheit and displays in Celsius when in use. I think this because 1120 Fahrenheit is equal to about 600 Celsius, and during heat up it did not go over 590 Celsius.
es lo mismo que me pregunto, por que tener 4 digitos el display, si solo mostrara 3, ya estoy pensando que no se configuro bien y saco a 280 grados la memoria, por lo tanto tardo mas tiempo. mañana me llega una fr810 y probare configuraciones
There should be only Celsius and nothing else.
This was incredibly thorough and useful, thanks Louis.
Thanks Louis I was about to make a big mistake by getting the Hakko. I did get the 861DW off ebay for $295. Later I found the same company sells it for $275 (free Ship) directly. Just got it today and confirmed everything you said about it.
The unit works perfectly, Chinese companies need to start getting their act together when it comes to English manuals.
I agree with what you say about manuals, but it does need to be referenced for setting the password for example.
Hakko really messed up the user interfaces on their Yellow/Blue line of equipment. I have a Hakko FM-206 and a Hakko FX-951, both have really bad user interfaces. Perhaps Hakko will improve their user interfaces with their new products (Blue/Gray line of equipment). Maybe that's why Hakko calls the new products "GOOD DESIGN".
I just noticed that Dave Jones did check the accuracy and did a good job of it.
I'm convinced.
Looks good, I was looking at this brand maybe 2 or 3 years back. But at the time, there wasn't really much information other than what the company had on their website. It's good to see more reviews popping up. This isn't even the most powerful model they offer. Quick also has an 861 "DE" model which is 1200 watts and even more available airflow. But based on the review, I really doubt the more powerful version would even be necessary.
It'd be further interesting if you opened these up to show component and build quality like you did with the fake Hakko soldering iron. But going off this review my money is easily with the Quick. Even if I had to upgrade a few things internally on component level. Nice honest reviews is what RUclips needs more of. Thanks Louis.
That is coming up soon!
Funny we had a hot air gun we used at work and it would also make the lights flicker, very weird!
Amazing. I never looked at hakko for a minute. Interesting.
awesome service like always, sir!
it would be nice if you could do a similar review/comparison between the cheap aoyue int963 soldering station and your hakko one.
i never used an expesive soldering station, but i am very pleased with the 963 knockoff, so i wouldnt be suprised if it has a similar price/value ration as the quick station.
I was 2 seconds from buyin this used hakko for 450 Canadian dollars, and now I have no of those quick 861DW
thanks to you Louis Rossaman
Pressing and holding a button to set a preset has been the method used for presetting radio stations on your preset buttons for years. I think many people will know that intuitively.
Hi Louis, thanks for this. That Hakko is crazy! I have an Aoyue and it's simple (up down arrows) but I totally agree, what is wrong with just dials? So much faster and less components to fail. Just an FYI, I clicked on the "Buy a Quick" just to see current price, and it leads to a dead link on the reseller's site. Thanks again for the review. -Jeff
great video / really shows the difference between the two especially the interface / thank you
The thing is i haven't been able to find a replacement heating element for my 861dw anywhere, including from Quick themselves.
So other than buying more nozzles you're pretty much screwed for replacement parts.
Slydder68 where is "all over the place"? So far all I've seen is this AliExpress listing and I'm pretty sure that is recent. m.aliexpress.com/item/32820503884.html
so much easier to use pot than buttons. pot control with target temp alongside current temp sensor readings at display.
Thanks, Louis. I've been thinking about Quick station as of my future investment. And you clearly showed its usefulness.
The screen flickers based on the refresh rate of the LCDs. What’s happening is at the camera shutter speed is Out of phase with the refresh rate of the displays that’s why you see Flickr
Louis, You can still buy the Fr-801 on Ali Express for like 300 new shipped. They are 240v units though. You would need to buy a cheap 30 dollar inverter transformer from ebay or something to run it though. I have the same setup and it works perfectly.
Just some info.
The unit:
www.aliexpress.com/item/FREE-SHIPPING-Hakko-Desoldering-station-FR-801-ESD-Safe-Hot-Air-SMD-Rework-System/32545674789.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.1.d9XdGk&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10152_10065_10151_10130_10068_10344_5560015_10342_10343_10340_10341_10307_10060_10155_10154_10056_10055_10054_5370015_10059_10534_10533_10532_100031_10099_10338_10339_5580015_10103_10102_10052_10053_10107_10050_10142_10051_10324_10325_10084_513_10083_10080_10082_10081_10178_10110_5590015_10111_10112_10113_10114_143_10312_10314_5570015_10078_10079_10073,searchweb201603_16,ppcSwitch_5&btsid=bf07497b-cb66-4a76-a170-a8b392cf0140&algo_expid=0cab68fd-1046-4768-8073-8b5cdcde6682-0&algo_pvid=0cab68fd-1046-4768-8073-8b5cdcde6682
The step up down trans:
www.ebay.com/itm/1000W-Watt-Step-Up-Step-Down-Electrical-Power-Voltage-Converter-Transformer-/262584461848?epid=1558310723&hash=item3d2340ea18:g:7UMAAOSwyQtVv-BA
FYI: Don't buy anything other than at least a 1000w up down trans.
FR-801 tops out at 20 or 25 liters/minute airflow.. just nothing compared to this. I wouldn't go back to it, no way, no how!
We could only assume that you will be using the Quick on a daily basis?
I agree with the review about how terrible it is to click multiple buttons to adjust airflow and temperature, but I think this is partly based on the Hakko being designed for production environments
Rapid change of settings is something that is not desirable, usually there are fixed settings that workers aren’t encouraged to change or often locked down
Torque guns in an automotive production line for example have fixed settings that’s not easily toggled by accident, or are locked.
Been using my 861dw since 2012 and the only thing that bothered me was been a resistance replacement in 2015 due to overuse. Replacement was under 30 $ which is fucking amazing
It's probably worth mentioning the time that it took for the hakko to heat up compared to the quick. You can see at 22:08 how fast the quick reaches its set temperature, and how the hakko drags its feet and then cant agree on one temperature at 25:16
Louis,
you are the sane voice in the sea of noise that moves so many old pros now, i don't think sales Luddites can kill it. I dunno why we didn't make some kinda change to grow another set of balls in the electronics community years ago. We all saw Tron, what happened?
cool the quick saves like a car radio does
I bought an 861DW about a year ago, before they were as expensive as they are now. Picked mine up for about $230. Haven't looked back. It's an awesome, badass station. Sucks the price has gone up so much since then but it's worth every penny. The convenience of saving presets, the easiness of switching airflow and temperature, the simplicity of changing nozzles, and the STACKING and space management of the unit make it the best station I've ever used.
I have my FM-202 station on top of the Quick and the holder for the handpiece sitting up on top of the FM-202. It's as space-efficient as possible. Yeah, the lights flicker when I use the Quick, but it's a necessary evil. Sure, there might be some problems with that. I have not been using mine every single day (still mostly practicing but I get real work in every once in awhile) and so far it's been working fine.
Also, I have not yet watched the full thing (because I know the 861DW is a beast), but in case you were wondering, you can safely remove the hot nozzles from the 861DW with that metal half-U shape in the handle holder. The nozzle should have a gap between itself and the actual handpiece, so you slip the handpiece in through the holder so the gap lines up with that half-U shape metal tool, then pull backwards. The nozzle will pop off and fall in the huge metal holder. Putting tips on is still a little iffy because the nozzle does take a bit to cool down, but it's nice that it's so easy to remove them.
Also, you should never turn the station off manually. Let it go through the auto-cooldown phase before pressing the power button. Neglecting to do this can damage the heating element.
Why not get some power conditioning? This could be one of those rare instances when one of those cheap chinese "power saver" things would help? You know, those $20 for a cap and an LED in a pretty box things. Would help take the edge off things. (or buy a 240v Quick and get some sensible voltages into your workshop)
220v in the US is different from 240v in china and elsewhere. Here 220v is split phase, while 240v in China and elsewhere is single phase.
In a split phase design, you have two hots and a neutral (which is also the ground in some wiring setups) so if you wire a 240v unit up on split phase, not only won't it be safe, it may result in the unit going bang.
To get a single phase 240v supply, you'd have to use an expensive step-up transformer with a heavy current capacity.
The channels (should've call it preset or memory) works exactly as I'd expect - like a car stereo.
The Quick model gives you a lot of bang for your buck. Great review!
Hahahhaha Louis after years of watching you without commenting, i have to tell You. You are a fucking beast in every imaginable way! Thank you for being such a good guy!
Thanks for the review Louis.How about comparing atten hot air station that looks similar to the quick hot air station with the hakko hot air station?
My Quick 861DW and WEP 852D+ make the interference. Those stations use a thyrister switch that switches where it wants, and hence the noise
i have got a weller soldering iron which got passed down to me built in 1979
Thank you very much. Very nice review.
The channel settings and memory work just like a car stereo... But as a new yorker I guess that's a little too much to Hack-o... ;)
I‘m wondering why Louis don’t knows what he should do with the ESD cable or the Quick
I use quick 861 but now I use new model Quick TR1300A more powerful simple interface and very nice holder
Where can I buy the quick TR1300A please?
Michal Is not good To tell you that because Louis have a business to sell Quick machine i feel is not right to tell you that here
I use my Aoyue 852A mostly for heat shrink tubing and removing warranty stickers... That it can handle. lol!
But it does have a quick and easy interface. :)
Not sure if it not turning on automatically is a problem, I mean it might be good to be able to get it lined up first, instead of it just turning on immediately, especially if you manage to grab the wrong bit of it
I’ve learned a lot from your videos. Thanks
You can see the difference on temp sensors how fast that unit will heat to 500 degree, the blue unit took 50 seconds to reach the maximum temps.
Well done review. How do the two units compare in build quality? Hakko generally has proven durability. How about UL/CSA safety ratings - for such tools this can be a critical aspect.
+geizer99 we're going to do a teardown next week on stream. Feel free to come by with any questions!
the hold 2-3s is a thing on quite a few stereos to program stations into memory for years and years, so its mildly intuitive. not entirely, no. but it should be somewhat.
How does everybody avoid mistakenly blowing smaller caps etc off the board when turning up the airflow? Sorry for the noob question. I have an Aoyue 968A+ which I find fine for my hobbyist needs but I tend to keep airflow low to avoid this, which probably isn't doing the element much good :) Appreciate the unbiased review. Cheers.
Absolutely love this! Way to go man :)
Hold both CH1 and CH3 buttons at the same time for temperature calibration.