NL was on the brink of excellence, i think he just kept getting lost in the vise grip sauce (I.e. in a turn he wouldn't cycle any spells through the upgraded slot because he wanted to keep vise grip there)
One of the problems I see you having with the Witch is having too much low-value equipment. You're at your best when you can combo damage, but when you have four utility spells and two damage spells you just can't do that. You need to invert that number - drop vice grip and fruit bowl/daffodil for damage. That way you don't constantly need to push for specific dice to deal damage and instead can get a steady 10-20 damage a turn and 20-40 with crystal ball.
"This game would be better if it was less diverse and shorter and also had less to do." -Literally NL I mean I sort of get what he means on some level but still, bruh...
He's just dumb. The entire reason he hates Inventor is because he can't contemplate the concept of having to constantly adapt new strategies on the fly.
Ah, a 1, 6, & 4, exactly what you need to gain mana, get a cold snap out, & play the cold snap.... & instead you put out a vice grip & throw some dice. Nice egg (9:26)
@@Ulgroth Because it's a game with weird dice interactions, and it's fun to experiment. Like how you can steal enemies' dice if they gain them on your turn.
@@HeNrYTG50 "return 2 time the difference between the dice" , if there is 0 difference between the dice , it will very very very obviously do absolutly nothing, it doesn't take a genius to figure this out.
*NL with a 4/1 in his hand and Cold Snap on 4* We really want Cold Snap this turn, but I'm gonna use Vise Grip to get three 3s and then make another Vice Grip. *Finishes fight with 3hp and dies in the next battle* Oh NL...
Great attempt, NL! I think we can all see that ep 5 of the witch is a lot more fun than some of her other episodes. I'm sure you'll get this episode completed in the next few eps.
How can nl like cauldron so much with normal witch yet never use mirror cauldron? Upgraded mirror cauldron seems like easy wins with the witch's damage output
By floor 5 of every Spire run, he's asking himself, "what's our win condition in this deck? What do our turns look like?" While this is certainly distilled down a lot from the complexity of Spire, there's as much objectivity in regards to how you play your turns here, and what you build your runs on. He just seems to get a bit too stuck on one thing here, and ends up running with it for the whole game. That said, these upper episodes do get a bit complicated. Not too bad, though.
I totally understand your dislike of the witch, but she's my favourite character by a mile. I struggle with the Jester, so I guess you and I are just opposites ^.-
NL you are focusing way too much on utility, you should have decided *between* Fruit Bowl and Vice Grip for dice cheesing, and then gone for more damage. I personally would have stuck with Fruit Bowl for more raw dice
The witch is a white mage in disguise. Get healing/lifesteal spells and buff yourself with Mirror Cauldron to see yourself become pretty much invincible.
I would say Dicey Dungeons is rivaling my love for your Issac. Compared to Issac, Dicey is fast paced, colorful, and thought provoking. I love Issac but man this is such a good game to watch.
You really should have gotten Inventor and Witch out of the way before you completed your favorite characters. Now you only have pain to look forward to.
10:46 "thanks for the mana, thanks for the mana, thanks for the mana" i wonder if NL ever realizes when cards say "on a 6 get 2 mana" and he inserts not a 6 that hes not getting mana and he sounds dumb.
especially because instead of getting mana he never uses, he could use teh 3 to get a vise grip. put the 6 and 2 into it to get a 4, and then generate a lot of cold snap
Inventor is more than fine, even. Inventor is literally one of the best in the game lol. I don't know why NL is refusing to see how absurdly broken gadgets can be. He's stuck in the mindset of "What's the worse item I can lose?" instead of "What item/gadget do I want for the boss this run? Okay, I want X and Y, so I'll save those till the final floor".
I actually really enjoy playing as the witch; the mechanics are very fun. But she really should get extra dice when leveling up, she barely gets stronger over the course of the game, and is considerably weaker than the other characters. As for inventor, she's arguably overpowered, but I really don't like the breakable equipment, and I don't think it's very fun.
Crystallina doesn't want any HP I guess. Two 4s, two heal for 4s, and she passes turn. Also, does a slot flash for a second if it's cursed? It seems to
Has taken me this long to notice but when an it is cursed right at the beginning of your turn just as the cards finish sliding in, it has a glint effect. Can see it on daffodil constantly in the crystallins fight at 34:36
@@widders1 I didn't understand it at first, but I believe Curse activates at random, instead of on a specific card. You can use Katana twice with curse, and the third use curse will trigger. As an example.
@@NathanNathanNathan how does that work? the 4 gets him another upgraded mirror cauldron, but he can't use the 3 in it anyways and he can't daffodil the 3. if you meant he should just keep it out for next turn - i agree. Edit: I see he could get 1 Mana from daffodil. how does that get him more dice?
After much consideration I think that Dicey Dungeons is not a good game for NL. "Completing" the game is his way of ending the series, he does not like 2 of the characters, the witch being the one that requires most consideration for possible actions which is definitely not his strong suit. It's absolutely contrary to his usual "just play quick so the video doesn't go on for too long" mentality.
I think NL would be less of a moaning egg if he got good. Yes some of the episode 4's are borderline unfair, but the witch and inventor are not that hard to pilot. Either get good, stop your moaning or stop the series.
hell yea brother i haven't watched melee in so long but on the subreddit i saw posts about melee top 8 and the return of m2k so i watched a few games. what a crazy tournament
@@litapd311 You picked one hell of a time to give it another look man. Last couple of months have been pretty rough for people who're not into hbox but yesterday was actually just incredible.
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NL my dude when curse gives your opponent your dice you can still use them.
*wait, that's illegal*
(absolutely a bug and getting patched out though)
I am sure this has happened on a previous episode and he already knows this.... I use the term "know" loosely.
I fell down the stairs and gladioli on me
David Garrett highlight of my night
David Garrett I don’t get it, what is the joke?
@@liammorris9372 it was a NLSS quiplash that Malf wrote "I feel down the stairs and ravioli on me"
@@thesphnx6836 Not Quiplash, but it was Malf writing a fact about himself in another Jackbox game.
This is what I came to the comments to see.
Now for the truly dark times of witch and inventor high eps.
I honestly really like the witch, but Inventor is extremely blegh
@@TheWorldBelowDnD Inventor is one of the best classes in the game. Gadgets are absurdly broken.
why does everyone hate the inventor, she is a cutie and a lot of fun with her unique playstyle :c
@@TheWorldBelowDnD I wiped the floor with inventor stage 6, he's SO broken if you save equipment for certain fights
The inventor is just Missingno in Isaac, but the witch is just..... garbage
NL was on the brink of excellence, i think he just kept getting lost in the vise grip sauce (I.e. in a turn he wouldn't cycle any spells through the upgraded slot because he wanted to keep vise grip there)
The more prepared slots you get on the witch, the less it feels like you are playing the witch
@Brick Studios ha
Me: "Oh, NL has lethal"
*two hours later
Egg: "Oh, you're dead brother"
One of the problems I see you having with the Witch is having too much low-value equipment. You're at your best when you can combo damage, but when you have four utility spells and two damage spells you just can't do that. You need to invert that number - drop vice grip and fruit bowl/daffodil for damage. That way you don't constantly need to push for specific dice to deal damage and instead can get a steady 10-20 damage a turn and 20-40 with crystal ball.
"This game would be better if it was less diverse and shorter and also had less to do."
-Literally NL
I mean I sort of get what he means on some level but still, bruh...
He's just dumb. The entire reason he hates Inventor is because he can't contemplate the concept of having to constantly adapt new strategies on the fly.
@@Logetastic it takes NL 3 Acts of Spire to decide his deck-archetype and you want him to short term strategize?
Real bruh moment
@@Logetastic I mean I dont like that, it's just not a fun play style for some people. But wanting it removed is dumb lmao
Ah, a 1, 6, & 4, exactly what you need to gain mana, get a cold snap out, & play the cold snap.... & instead you put out a vice grip & throw some dice. Nice egg (9:26)
He even says that he wants to make cold snap works this turn...
It hurts
"Think this would give us three zeros?"
*Narrator voice* And it did.
"do you think this will return three zeros" NL.....i cant even right now.
You know we all tried it. (I did at least)
@@tracyh5751 there is no zero die...why would I try that thou
Lol they 0 part was prolly joke, I definitely wouldn't have been surprised if it returned 3 1die tho
@@Ulgroth Because it's a game with weird dice interactions, and it's fun to experiment. Like how you can steal enemies' dice if they gain them on your turn.
@@HeNrYTG50 "return 2 time the difference between the dice" , if there is 0 difference between the dice , it will very very very obviously do absolutly nothing, it doesn't take a genius to figure this out.
*NL with a 4/1 in his hand and Cold Snap on 4*
We really want Cold Snap this turn, but I'm gonna use Vise Grip to get three 3s and then make another Vice Grip.
*Finishes fight with 3hp and dies in the next battle*
Oh NL...
Great attempt, NL! I think we can all see that ep 5 of the witch is a lot more fun than some of her other episodes. I'm sure you'll get this episode completed in the next few eps.
How can nl like cauldron so much with normal witch yet never use mirror cauldron? Upgraded mirror cauldron seems like easy wins with the witch's damage output
An effect like +1 dice per fight is a common noob trap in some games so he's big-braining that it's a noob trap in this game. It's not.
Try grabbing the dice from the top of the screen
By floor 5 of every Spire run, he's asking himself, "what's our win condition in this deck? What do our turns look like?" While this is certainly distilled down a lot from the complexity of Spire, there's as much objectivity in regards to how you play your turns here, and what you build your runs on. He just seems to get a bit too stuck on one thing here, and ends up running with it for the whole game.
That said, these upper episodes do get a bit complicated. Not too bad, though.
If anything that gives you dice gets cursed it doesn't actually give your dice to the enemy. You can just drag and use them from the top.
9:10 'we need to figure out how to make cold snap work'
Yes. 6, 4 for cold snap, then 1.
...
Nope okay.
Dude that crystal was the dumbest enemy I’ve ever seen
Dont you dare attack my main girl Crystallina!!
Remember Children of Morta
I totally understand your dislike of the witch, but she's my favourite character by a mile. I struggle with the Jester, so I guess you and I are just opposites ^.-
NL you are focusing way too much on utility, you should have decided *between* Fruit Bowl and Vice Grip for dice cheesing, and then gone for more damage. I personally would have stuck with Fruit Bowl for more raw dice
Thanks for the company
thank you for these videos NL they are fun and I appreciate them
NL please remember to change what your starting equipment is on the witch
The witch is a white mage in disguise. Get healing/lifesteal spells and buff yourself with Mirror Cauldron to see yourself become pretty much invincible.
Watching NL while camping, it's nice to have egg for dinner
"you saw me trying to cheat the system" got me good
I would say Dicey Dungeons is rivaling my love for your Issac. Compared to Issac, Dicey is fast paced, colorful, and thought provoking. I love Issac but man this is such a good game to watch.
I watch Dicey Dungeons for the gameplay and watch Isaac to hear Egg Daddy"s monologues
Focused and happy with good number throwing around gameplay, keep it up.
Love it when mah boi uploads at the same time each time
The Witch is just get more dice and deal damage. Take prepared slots and start with the +dice spell and win. Ignore mana.
NL disrespecting dice gain is a persistent theme of this series. Literally every Witch episode.
You really should have gotten Inventor and Witch out of the way before you completed your favorite characters. Now you only have pain to look forward to.
The final episode is lit tho.
Inventor is among the best characters in the game though. NL is just not thinking right.
@@A1phaz0ne I think he just doesn't enjoy playing as the inventor. Which is pretty justified, it's just a less fun warrior imo.
will he ever notice vice grip+ is just using 3 dice to get 3 dice of lower value...
the witch cares more about dice parity than highs and lows.
@@tracyh5751 are you sure he is not doing that because he think he can get more dice.
Once it's prepped it's 3 dice for 2. It's only dice-neutral on its first turn. NL does overvalue it though
Isn't there maybe a possible infinite combo with upgraded Fruit Bowl? Don't know since I don't play the game, but it seems kind of doable.
He should go for more prepared slots and less upgraded slots, less decisions to make so less chance he'll screw up.
10:46 "thanks for the mana, thanks for the mana, thanks for the mana" i wonder if NL ever realizes when cards say "on a 6 get 2 mana" and he inserts not a 6 that hes not getting mana and he sounds dumb.
especially because instead of getting mana he never uses, he could use teh 3 to get a vise grip. put the 6 and 2 into it to get a 4, and then generate a lot of cold snap
He's talking to his imaginary friend who's giving him imaginary mana
Actually the only person who sounds dumb here are people like you leaving 3 comments complaining about NL’s minor mistakes
@@ButNotMyWife I'd suggest you look up the definition of dumb then. You might actually qualify.
It doesn't matter what the card says. He doesn't read them anyway.
Gladioli Gladioli, give me the formuoli.
the witch is p over complicated and maybe not perfectly balanced but you're blowing inventor way out of proportion, shes fine
Inventor is more than fine, even. Inventor is literally one of the best in the game lol. I don't know why NL is refusing to see how absurdly broken gadgets can be. He's stuck in the mindset of "What's the worse item I can lose?" instead of "What item/gadget do I want for the boss this run? Okay, I want X and Y, so I'll save those till the final floor".
38.00 Yo bruh learn to math, you didn’t need to use crystal ball at all
lets see how long till he quits
Please slow down like 10%. Let your brain catch up egglord.
I actually really enjoy playing as the witch; the mechanics are very fun. But she really should get extra dice when leveling up, she barely gets stronger over the course of the game, and is considerably weaker than the other characters.
As for inventor, she's arguably overpowered, but I really don't like the breakable equipment, and I don't think it's very fun.
I'm right there with you. Witch is fun but weak. Inventor is pretty strong but unfun
Crystallina doesn't want any HP I guess. Two 4s, two heal for 4s, and she passes turn.
Also, does a slot flash for a second if it's cursed? It seems to
Has taken me this long to notice but when an it is cursed right at the beginning of your turn just as the cards finish sliding in, it has a glint effect. Can see it on daffodil constantly in the crystallins fight at 34:36
I believe that's just the getting one mana effect activating
@@mariusmorabosch damn, I think you're right, that would be a bit too easy to dodge curses
@@widders1 I didn't understand it at first, but I believe Curse activates at random, instead of on a specific card. You can use Katana twice with curse, and the third use curse will trigger. As an example.
I got a fever, and the only prescription is more dicey.
Too many misplays for me to count
Ok maybe just this one 30:15 he would rather do 1 damage than get an extra die for the rest of combat
Egg boi got me ripping my hair out this episode.
@@NathanNathanNathan how does that work? the 4 gets him another upgraded mirror cauldron, but he can't use the 3 in it anyways and he can't daffodil the 3. if you meant he should just keep it out for next turn - i agree.
Edit: I see he could get 1 Mana from daffodil. how does that get him more dice?
@@litapd311 You know what, I saw that it only does +1 die on evens, my bad, and it's min 4 too
Wow NL doesn’t like the two female characters, what a misogynist.
(This is a joke btw.)
Yikes
(This is joke btw)
also are they really female, or just feminine non gendered DICE?
Andrew Goehring they were humans before they were dice, so yeah, they’re def female and male.
Thanks for skipping Witch 4, I really didn't want to see you bashing your head against it for too long (like I did).
Just use all your ones on fruitbowl, it goves ya 2 extra dice which means mkre dice
Could you do one episode 4 between every other episode?
Zany outdated
Acquiesce overrated
long have we waited
SPICED ACTIVATED
Misplays are fated
Why does he hate the inventor when some of his coolest runs involve the inventor?
Hard=Boo
forsenHead
NL with the unironic argument that less content would be better
After much consideration I think that Dicey Dungeons is not a good game for NL. "Completing" the game is his way of ending the series, he does not like 2 of the characters, the witch being the one that requires most consideration for possible actions which is definitely not his strong suit. It's absolutely contrary to his usual "just play quick so the video doesn't go on for too long" mentality.
I don't think 48 videos in a series counts as a "Bit".
Relative to 4 billion videos worth of isaac content, I'm pretty sure almost anything can be considered "a bit"
I think NL would be less of a moaning egg if he got good. Yes some of the episode 4's are borderline unfair, but the witch and inventor are not that hard to pilot. Either get good, stop your moaning or stop the series.
Did anyone in the comments watch melee top8 just earlier
hell yea brother i haven't watched melee in so long but on the subreddit i saw posts about melee top 8 and the return of m2k so i watched a few games. what a crazy tournament
@@litapd311 You picked one hell of a time to give it another look man.
Last couple of months have been pretty rough for people who're not into hbox but yesterday was actually just incredible.
Honestly i hate the witch too
all my wins are prepared slots + 2 dice damage spell
basicly just playing as the warrior
I know the witch is the hardest character by far, but man you played so poorly dude
L
I like the Witch's spellbook mechanics, but she isn't very rewarding. I think she's just kind of weak and could use a buff
I'm not good at this game so the game is trash -NL probably
Christ, NL, go play cookie clicker if that's what you're into
You killed your channel by stopping Mario low key
...what?
"career suicide"