I'm the opposite, liked the "Flying Tiger" theme as a kid...now I sit and look at the P-39/63 and wonder how great they would have been with the turbo like the P-38! I guess the P-40 too lol...jeez I want to go see these things live!
What if a senior dumb arse in the USAAF had not vetoed sophisticated engine driven superchargers in the first place! The Europeans and the U.S. Navy were way smarter. It was not Allison’s fault.
My dad helped crop duster pilots spray fields when he was young by marking the edge of fields with a flag. A duster was outfitted with a salvaged WW2 engine. When the duster pulled up at the end of a pass the engine fell off the plane. This made the plane very tail-heavy and hard to fly. The pilot was able to glide the plane in for an emergency landing. My dad said the pilot was really upset about the whole thing and took a long time to get himself back together.
Did I see it right at the beginning? Was that really a P-40 over-accelerating and taking airborne earlier than a Mustang?... If so- wow. That proves that low altitude is the habitat for a P-40, not for a P-51. In fact, these fighters follow completely different philosophies: a close-support, low-altitude fighter-bomber with the intercepting role in second place (P-40) as against a long-range, high-altitude fighter, with the ground attack role in second place. And that not to talk about robustness: a rock (P-40) as against a tin can. Just the oposite to one another. You can also see and actually feel from this footage that at low altitude the P-40 does feel lighter and smoother to the controls than the Mustang. In fact, more than one pilot who actually flew both aircraft state and agree that the P-40 is a delight to fly as against a Mustang. Her controls are in fact smoother, and the aircraft as such way more handling.
P51 would tear up P40. P40 under powered, and not why the P51 emerged according to one commenter. P51 went from Allison engine to Roll Royce, and that's what made it superior along with Spitfire....
The Mustang would have never been what it came to be without the Packard Merlin, which means that the Mustang is all about the engine. With the Allison engine it was barely superior to the P-40, and when the Mustang got its Merlin engine, it got a two-stage turbo-charged engine, while the P-40Fs and Ls, the only Kittyhawks-Warhawks in a Merlin engine, had single-staged turbo-charged engines. Did the P-40Fs and Ls got a two-phase Merlin as well, probably the difference would not be that great in general between them and the Mustang, but the Mustang got preference on behalf of officers over the P-40. In any case, I find it absurd to compare such different aircraft: the P-40 was essentially a low-altitude close-support or ground-attacker, with the intercepting role in second place, while the Mustang was a long-range fighter, with the ground-attack role in second place. In other words, completely oposite aircraft. This is proven by the fact that all experts say that the P-40 is undeniably tougher than the P-51 (like a rock as against a tin can in terms of robustness), and also nimbler (more than one pilot who flew both aircraft stated that at least at low altitudes are the controls of a P-51 like locked or blocked, while the P-40 is way easier to handle). There is no doubt that low altitudes is the habitat for the P-40, not for the P-51. And the other way round at high altitudes, of course. See in this video how the P-40 over-accelerates and over-turns the Mustang; another statement on behalf of pilots who flew both aircraft. Besides, the cockpit of a P-51 is narrow and uncomfortable (and cold in long range and high-altitude flights), while the P-40 cockpit is roomier (another statement on behalf of professional pilots who flew these aircraft). The Mustang is nothing but mysticism after her great range, which is essentially the only good thing that she has. In other words, range is a kind of veil to hide an aircraft which was far from been as perfect as they often depict it. It´s time to unmake myths. And last, when we remember what these aircraft went through the war, the P-40 had to face shortages of material for repairs (mostly the AVG in China), adverse weather conditions, and runways in deplorable conditions (muddy, soaked, or else taking off and landing on deserts in North Africa), while the P-51 enjoyed way easier conditions, operating from runways in much better conditions. In other words, the P-51 was pampered as against the P-40.
Right, but you could make same argument about the Spitfire. I love the P40 Tomahawk! We just sucked back then in understanding airplane horsepower with altitudes.
And the P51 had the Allison engine before adapting to Roll Royce Merlin. Do I believe P40 would out do Mustang with that engine, no! P40 was design from the early 1930s. Going against Focke Wulf and Messerschmitt you were going to need it. Also, you get how Rolls Royce got the engine in Supermarine 8 Spitfire to be supreme? Captured Focke Wulf fighter, which at the time was eating them alive.
A common and repeated myth. Below 15K feet the P-40 a formidable aircraft that had no problem outturning and outrolling the Mustang. Both great planes but the P-40 often not given the credit it is due.
I agree with that. I often wondered why Allison didn't put the Merlin in the P40 Warhawk Tomahawk? It would have made that plane another dynamo with the Spitfire. However, I read that they didn't have enough engines to pull that off, and the P51 was commited to operations and performing very well. It would have been great had they done that because superior aircraft is not an easy thing to develop, and they had it right there? Or Double Wasp from Pratt & Whitney, which was in Hellcat..
Good stuff. As I get older, I'm starting to like the Warhawk more and more.
I'm the opposite, liked the "Flying Tiger" theme as a kid...now I sit and look at the P-39/63 and wonder how great they would have been with the turbo like the P-38! I guess the P-40 too lol...jeez I want to go see these things live!
What if a senior dumb arse in the USAAF had not vetoed sophisticated engine driven superchargers in the first place! The Europeans and the U.S. Navy were way smarter. It was not Allison’s fault.
Yea
Both breathtakingly gorgeous but the mustang takes the cherry on top
Two Legends! Flying Tiger & The Cajun Kid
I just love the P-40! A very underrated WW2 fighter.
It is yes
Underrated? Lol I strongly disagree with that. It’s like in every single WWII movie that features a fighter in it lol.
I love tail dragger touch-downs. Thanks.
My dad helped crop duster pilots spray fields when he was young by marking the edge of fields with a flag. A duster was outfitted with a salvaged WW2 engine. When the duster pulled up at the end of a pass the engine fell off the plane. This made the plane very tail-heavy and hard to fly. The pilot was able to glide the plane in for an emergency landing. My dad said the pilot was really upset about the whole thing and took a long time to get himself back together.
Wonderful and Beautiful machines.Thank you for Sharing.
As usual, great video and sound. "🇬🇧
Hola amigos i love these two planes they are beautiful
Did I see it right at the beginning? Was that really a P-40 over-accelerating and taking airborne earlier than a Mustang?... If so- wow.
That proves that low altitude is the habitat for a P-40, not for a P-51. In fact, these fighters follow completely different philosophies: a close-support, low-altitude fighter-bomber with the intercepting role in second place (P-40) as against a long-range, high-altitude fighter, with the ground attack role in second place. And that not to talk about robustness: a rock (P-40) as against a tin can. Just the oposite to one another.
You can also see and actually feel from this footage that at low altitude the P-40 does feel lighter and smoother to the controls than the Mustang. In fact, more than one pilot who actually flew both aircraft state and agree that the P-40 is a delight to fly as against a Mustang. Her controls are in fact smoother, and the aircraft as such way more handling.
i love the p40
This is excellent.
Thx John
Awesome !!
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Genial, was ein Sound 😀
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Super Video 👍👍👍 Die P-51 Mustang gefällt mir besonders gut.
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Nice!
P51 would tear up P40. P40 under powered, and not why the P51 emerged according to one commenter. P51 went from Allison engine to Roll Royce, and that's what made it superior along with Spitfire....
The Mustang would have never been what it came to be without the Packard Merlin, which means that the Mustang is all about the engine. With the Allison engine it was barely superior to the P-40, and when the Mustang got its Merlin engine, it got a two-stage turbo-charged engine, while the P-40Fs and Ls, the only Kittyhawks-Warhawks in a Merlin engine, had single-staged turbo-charged engines. Did the P-40Fs and Ls got a two-phase Merlin as well, probably the difference would not be that great in general between them and the Mustang, but the Mustang got preference on behalf of officers over the P-40.
In any case, I find it absurd to compare such different aircraft: the P-40 was essentially a low-altitude close-support or ground-attacker, with the intercepting role in second place, while the Mustang was a long-range fighter, with the ground-attack role in second place. In other words, completely oposite aircraft.
This is proven by the fact that all experts say that the P-40 is undeniably tougher than the P-51 (like a rock as against a tin can in terms of robustness), and also nimbler (more than one pilot who flew both aircraft stated that at least at low altitudes are the controls of a P-51 like locked or blocked, while the P-40 is way easier to handle). There is no doubt that low altitudes is the habitat for the P-40, not for the P-51. And the other way round at high altitudes, of course. See in this video how the P-40 over-accelerates and over-turns the Mustang; another statement on behalf of pilots who flew both aircraft.
Besides, the cockpit of a P-51 is narrow and uncomfortable (and cold in long range and high-altitude flights), while the P-40 cockpit is roomier (another statement on behalf of professional pilots who flew these aircraft).
The Mustang is nothing but mysticism after her great range, which is essentially the only good thing that she has. In other words, range is a kind of veil to hide an aircraft which was far from been as perfect as they often depict it. It´s time to unmake myths.
And last, when we remember what these aircraft went through the war, the P-40 had to face shortages of material for repairs (mostly the AVG in China), adverse weather conditions, and runways in deplorable conditions (muddy, soaked, or else taking off and landing on deserts in North Africa), while the P-51 enjoyed way easier conditions, operating from runways in much better conditions. In other words, the P-51 was pampered as against the P-40.
Right, but you could make same argument about the Spitfire. I love the P40 Tomahawk! We just sucked back then in understanding airplane horsepower with altitudes.
And the P51 had the Allison engine before adapting to Roll Royce Merlin. Do I believe P40 would out do Mustang with that engine, no! P40 was design from the early 1930s. Going against Focke Wulf and Messerschmitt you were going to need it. Also, you get how Rolls Royce got the engine in Supermarine 8 Spitfire to be supreme? Captured Focke Wulf fighter, which at the time was eating them alive.
A common and repeated myth. Below 15K feet the P-40 a formidable aircraft that had no problem outturning and outrolling the Mustang. Both great planes but the P-40 often not given the credit it is due.
I agree with that. I often wondered why Allison didn't put the Merlin in the P40 Warhawk Tomahawk? It would have made that plane another dynamo with the Spitfire. However, I read that they didn't have enough engines to pull that off, and the P51 was commited to operations and performing very well. It would have been great had they done that because superior aircraft is not an easy thing to develop, and they had it right there? Or Double Wasp from Pratt & Whitney, which was in Hellcat..
the newer mustang had a better engine, but once the mustang had the same engine as the )-40
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