COURTROOM INSIDER | Ted Bundy's cousin tells all
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- Опубликовано: 14 ноя 2024
- Tonight on 'Courtroom Insider,' Ted Bundy's cousin talks about her book 'Dark Tide.' It's the first memoir written by a Bundy blood relative and Edna Cowell Martin, together with Megan Atkinson, tells all.
Join us for this in-depth conversation - and if you have questions for Edna and Megan, post them in the comments below.
This is fascinating! Ted Bundy actually approached my mother in the parking lot of Lincoln Park in Seattle, with his “broken arm” con. My mom thought “what grown man would ask a young lady to help him with heavy equipment?”, thank god, and said no.
I’ve always wondered that too. That would have been my red flag
Just wanna add, I don’t think I would have been help lifting a sailboat. Like I would have been thinking, how did you get the boat from your car into the lake? If your arm is broke, why where you taking out your boat at all and by yourself. I have so many questions from the Lake Sam* day.
@@dreadede Yes! Exactly, especially back then when men’s view of women was as these useless fragile creatures. 😆 But sadly, the Lake Sam day is also sad as one of the victims, Denise was a friend of my mother. I could never understand, as a kid, why my mom was so paranoid. It wasn’t until I was grown that she told me all this.
@@cheesehead4670 Yes, was he preying on women’s lib? I often wondered if he was irritated by independent women. I can see a up and coming independent women feeling flatter that he didn’t think a women was too weak to help a “wounded man”. You could also say he preyed on women’s nature to help
@@cheesehead4670 Also, sorry to hear your mother knew Denise. I can only imagine the things that went through our mother’s generation when this was going on. I was born in 73, I grew up with my head on swivel. So many serial killers came out around this time.
I have so much respect for Nate as a reporter/ interviewer
Im 66. I remember. I am so glad and proud of you for speaking out!!
May your family find peace and understanding that you did Nothing wrong ❤
Wow!!!!! How brave of Edna to talk about it. I can't believe it's been 50 year's. Great interview with these great women. Thanks so much for doing this.
The first true crime book I bought was Anne Rule’s book about Bundy. I still have it. Great interview!
I read many of Anne Rule’s books including The Stranger Beside Me. Sad & chilling!
I love Anne Rule. A true force for good. I am so sad how her boys treated her.
I'm so sad yo hear that Ann's son treated her badly. First I heard. Is because of her friendship with Ted?
I love Ann Rule & her books. I was do upset of her passing.
@@carolynnowak3823 Me too!! Only 35 years ago for me .
@@Snowman23510 The boys didn’t care about Bundy or their mom. They beat her up because they wanted more allowance. Wikipedia might have more info. She woke an incredible book, and I just picked up this new one. It’s in libraries. 📚
Love that you’ve come into true crime full circle since Vallow/Daybell. You’re my favorite news reporter/anchor and I live in Maine. I trust in you Nate.
Thank you Courtroom Insider for providing a virtual space for Edna Cowell Martin to tell her story so that we can be her audience as her listeners for her to share her written story to help her get Ted Bundy out of her head (something she kept it her head for 50 years as she said). It would be great to have a 2nd show for audience questions with Ms. Cowell Martin.
This interview was SO interesting! Thank you Nate!
I lived in Glenwood Springs, Colorado in 1977 when he escaped from the Garfield County jail there in town. Scary times. I was 21 then. Great interview, Nate. Fills in a lot of gaps in the news stories I heard back then.
I used to work at hotel Colorado lots of great time in Glenwood . Hotel had the Ted Bundy room as he had stayed there in 1976?
This was an absolutely fantastic interview! I enjoyed this. As a law student with a criminal justice degree, I feel there is a lot to be learned from family interviews. I think understanding these things is the key to preventing future issues. If we continue to be open, understanding, loving, with open minds... I think there is much to be learned. Thank you three for this great interview!
I grew up in Tacoma, Washington and graduated with Ted at Wilson High School. While growing up in Tacoma, the only missing child that ever made the news was Ann Marie Burr. Hundreds of people, if not thousands, looked for her. She was never found. Years later, after Ted was incarcerated, it came to light that Ted had been the paperboy to the Burr household. Of course we all assumed he was to blame! Because of that rumor, I have always figured Ted started working his skills WAY before 1974.
Have you heard of this? Any thoughts?
Probably. I think they start as rapists.
@@lauracasey830 I remember hearing about that case, and I’ve always assumed that he was responsible, especially after hearing the incident when he was a child and he laid out in a circle all of the knives in the house pointing towards a female relative while she was sleeping.
@@just.joolie WOW! I have never heard that. That’s soooo creepy!
@@Trish.Norman Yeah, it was in Ann Rule’s book.
Thanks so much Nate! Very interesting. Loved this interview very much.
I transferred to the UW in 1973. I met Linda Ann Healey as she was dating a guy on 7 th floor of McMahon hall.
Linda went missing in February of 74 from what I remember. At that time nobody knew there was a serial killer running around. I could have walked right by him (Ted) when I was going to classes or down to the Ave. Never in my wildest dreams could I have imagined what turned out to be the Ted Bundy killings.
You are such a top-notch interviewer, Nate. Thank you.
Nate, Edna & Megan thank you so much for finally telling this story from Ted's family's viewpoint. I've read so much about him and watched plenty of documentaries but I always felt there was more to his story. I'm definitely going to be reading this book! Would love a follow-up video where they both answer the viewers' questions!
Nate, you are one of the best in media, And for sure THE best in Idaho. I love your heart.
Nate, I know this isn't your favorite type of reporting, but you do it so well. This was a fascinating interview. I've always wondered about the families of serial killers and how they felt and dealt with the pain and horror of the revelation of their person's secret life.
My mom was struggled by Ted, she lived. I have severe PTSD because of what happened. I was only 7yrs old at the time
What a horrible nightmare to go through. It shows how many people have been affected by one man's decisions to hurt others. I pray you find peace.
Wow, I'm so sorry. But she's a survivor! How did she manage to escape?
I understand this interview was for the perspective of the cousin.
People who aren't as familiar with the case may be interested to know that an early important tip to the police was from Bundy's girlfriend Liz. After Lake Sammamish newspaper reports included the name Ted, his arm in a cast and the VW bug, Liz found plaster of paris cast making supplies in the bathroom. He was absolutely on LE radar, and he was arrogant about meticulously cleaning his car inside and out in front of them when he knew he was being surveilled. I guess they didn't have enough cause for a search warrant to prevent that cleaning.
Also, not mentioned in this interview is that he was caught in Florida because of eye witness accounts relating to the abduction of 12 year old Kimberly Leach.
Bless all souls of his victims, known and unknown.
thanks for a great interview. Edna is my age and I grew up in Seattle I remember so much of this and there was a lot of trauma and fear in the community.
I know you’re not an exclusive true crime reporter…but, you’re still my favorite true crime reporter…aside from Keith Morrison🙃… but you have a lot in common with him as far as delivering facts with empathy and respect. Thanks Nate!
My sister and I had an encounter with Ted in Phoenix, Arizona at the Carnation Ice Cream Restaurant. We were sitting in a booth and he was sitting at the counter.
I looked up and he was staring at me with a smile on his face. I don’t remember how he ended up sitting in the booth with us.
He was dressed in a brown turtleneck sweater and I asked him why he was dressed like that in Phoenix.
He explained that he had just driven in from Colorado where it was much colder.
That got us to talking about John Denver and his song Rocky Mountain High Colorado.
This was in January or February 1974.
We decided to go to our home to listen to music. I know, how stupid were my sister and me!
We go out to our cars. I had just bought a Capri.
He tried to convince me to let my 15 old sister to drive my car and I would ride with him to make sure he wouldn’t get lost.
I told him I would not let my unlicensed sister drive my car.
We walked over to his VW and he opened the passenger door and there was no passenger seat and some tools, etc., on the tiny back seat.
We asked him why there was no front seat and he said he would sleep in his car and was able to stretch out.
He followed us to our home, went back to our bedroom and started listening to records.
In talking with him we explained that we had been raised by our grandparents and now living with our aunt and uncle and grandmother.
My aunt came home and was furious that we had brought a stranger to our home and kicked him out and he left.
I never thought another thing about him until 2013.
I was on the computer and looking at news headlines and it showed a picture of Ted Bundy’s car on display in Germany.
I clicked on the article and couldn’t believe it! It was the VW, same color, same black interior without the front seat!
I quickly googled Ted Bundy and up pops a picture of the same guy in the brown turtleneck, brown hair and penetrating eyes!
That is when I realized that my grandmother’s prayers had protected us.
I’m think the reason he didn’t attack us is he realized we had been raised like him with grandparents and the fact there were two of us and my aunt kicked him out.
I can still remember that day and how he tried so hard to convince me to ride with him.
I looked a lot like his victims with long brown hair parted in the middle.
I contacted Ann Rule and asked her if she knew if he had been in Arizona. She answered and said not that she knew of, but she felt that we had met Ted.
Wow, you have a fascinating story. You were covered by God's hands.
Amazing story. So glad you survived that encounter!
Well, God was watching after the both of you that could’ve turned out so wrong. I was born in the 50s, so I remember this story very well and I remember that stupid turtleneck he used to wear from pictures on TV.
what an escape!!!!!
I believe it. He was prolific in his attempts to lure women.
Actually, Ted was born in Vermont in a hospital for unwed mothers. When Louise and Ted went back to Philly, Ted was raised to believe that his grandparents were his parents and Louise was his sister.
How does this conflict with Edna's narrative?
@relaxresell3121 because she first said he was born in Philly, which is why I posted it. Later on, they mentioned the home in Vermont, but that was much later in the video.
@@SlightlybentOkay, some of that was hard to follow.
Megan, I get the feeling you wrote most of this book and did tons of background research. You are so patient, just smiling and letting Edna tell the story.
Well done Nate!! You are such a good interviewer and reporter and I appreciate your work and your integrity in all you do.
??? As a child and teen and beyond, did you notice any quirks or "funny things" Ted did or was interested in? We all have known people who are a little off or unique in habits or behavior. Of course one could never predict this outcome. Thank you for the great interview and in writing this important book.
It's just incredible to see Nate's rise to fame. From the little news agency in Idaho that got the interview in Hawaii with the Daybells to here. I always knew he would do good.
Thank you so much for this interview Nate! I bought Edna's book as soon as it came out on Amazon. I've followed Ted Bundy news since the 70s. I always feel so bad for the family of murderers. It just seems so unfair that their lives become tainted because of something they had no knowledge of. Evil exists everywhere in our world, we just never know if it can touch our life, until it does. You are an amazing interviewer and reporter.
Author Anne Rule believed that Bundy kidnapped and murdered an 8 year old girl named Ann Marie Burr wen Ted was 14 years old. Ann Marie if I remember correctly was a student of Edna’s father taking piano lessons.
Robert Keppel told a reporter during an interview
that he believed Ted was responsible for over 100
murders.
Question to Edna - does she remember the the Burr case? Ted was 14 years old and a paper boy at the time of her disappearance.
Hi, My dad was a psychiatrist in Chula Vista and I visited him long after Ted was captured. My dad had all the tapes of Ted being interviewed and I listened to each one of them. Very chilling! He was so arrogant too!
Bravo Nate for a great interview. To the family, this was an important story to share. Dark history but puts things in proper perspective
A great interview. Thanks to everyone who allowed this story to be told.
Hard to believe I went to UW when he was around, someone pointed him out to me saying “isn’t he handsome” and I looked and said, he gives me the creeps. lol I later went to sea u and met Anne Rule and we were in touch til she became ill.
Fascinating interview and even more fascinating book. Well written and unputdownable - love those kinds of books!
This is extremely fascinating. Just when we all believe we'd heard everything there is to hear about Ted Bundy, there's more. Thank you for sharing!
This was an incredible interview! I will definitely be buying the book.
Great interview Nate. Thank you
I just got her book and I’m looking forward to reading it. Thank you for introducing us to her!
Another good book to consider about this is by Ann Rule: The Stranger Beside Me. This one and Helter Skelter by Vincent Bugliosi were my intros into the genre as a teenager
Same. Plus, Fatal Vision.
Same 3 for me
I studied him when I was in college for my degree. He was intelligent and evil. He is one of the base line serial killers that serial killers cases are profiled by.
Wow! I was hooked on to this interview.. very fascinating..please do have them again..
All I can say is wow 😮 Not an experience I would like to have gone through - thank you ladies 👏👏🇳🇿
QUESTION: Does Edna and Megan think that Ted was telling the truth to forensic psychologist Al Norman when he told him, in a recorded interview, that he killed two women at the Jersey Shore in early summer of 1969? Susan Davis and Elizabeth Perry were found on the side of the Garden State Parkway and the case was never solved. He was investigated for it but they couldn't pin it on him. Ted told the Dr Norman that it "ended up being the first time." I grew up in that area, to us, it was him.
Wow. Nope, I grew up during the Bundy years. Did home nursing, had to take cab home at night. Seattle was a very scary time 1972-1975.😮😢
Ted is why I started following True crime.
Interesting show. I forgot your name, Mr Interviewer but I really liked you! Great cadence, didn’t come across by pumping up the sensationalism like Nancy might do. You’re just generally one of the best at the job on the internet. I like Vinny Politan also. Thanks, I subscribed & hope to watch more, thanks!
Incredible conversation. This is so insightful. Thanks to the relatives.
A friend and I were forced off the road late at night and a man ordered us out of her car. We refused and through quick thinking got out of the situation. This was in Utah. We stupidly never called the cops. A shirt time later, Bundy was arrested and we recognized his photo as the man!
He was a fascinating psychological study. These women coming forward does help us to understand how he functioned and maybe why he did what he did. Thank you all for this great interview.
I am a subscriber from last year Secret Santa. I loved the series. I never realized what an asset you are Nate regarding your stallar reporting. So glad I found this channel.
Just watched this. Being a girl in Seattle that looked like all Bundy’s victims at that time is what started me in true crime interest. I remember when Lynda Healy vanished and it just went on from there. This was an absolutely fabulous interview. I hope you get to talk about it on CrimeCruise2024. See you there…Susan From Snohomish.
NATE: Love and appreciate your coverage, approach and delivery.
EDNA OR MEGAN: Thank you both for sharing this. I feel like oftentimes we get a very superficial version of what happened on these high profile cases. The facade of normality he presented is truly scary.
QUESTION: I’m confused about Ted’s Mother / sister / grandmother situation. Was Ted born out of wedlock to his sister and initially raised by his grandparents?
THANK YOU, ALL.
He was born to his mother and initially raised as if his grandparents were his parents and his mother as if she was his sister. Then he figured it out.
As far as I know he was raised by grandparents, thought his mother was his sister, eventually learned the truth when his biological mother took him to live with her and her new husband. Ted adopted his stepfather’s surname which was Bundy. Ann Rule wrote a really good book on the case. I think it’s called, “The Stranger Beside Me.” She worked alongside him at Lifeline or some such organisation.
@@msaijay1153 : THANK YOU! I knew there was something unusual about it but couldn’t exactly remember what.
@@Lavender-blue80 : THANK YOU! I’ve watched so many serial killer / true crime stories they all start blending into one huge monster. Appreciate the explanation and recommendation.
Fascinating insights! Thank you all very much for this interview!
This is so revealing. Thank you for sharing with us. Im now following Delphi trial and many similarities abound with disbelief.
Amazing interview! I remember this story well because I lived right down the street from the mall in West valley where someone got away
Wow...Nate,you are such an amazing interviewer..great job
Great interview, Nate. I've long been a follower of this story. It was fascinating to hear from Bundy's cousin. Wow....
You are looking really good Nate. Like the intro music. Riveting coverage.
I'm disappointed that Bundy's interview with Dr James Dobson, just hours before his execution, was not addressed in this interview. It is the most thorough and compelling information about Bundy's mindset, and the cause of his depravity. It contains invaluable information, lessons and WARNINGS that the world needs to know. Especially in our world todsy. IMO, his just before death WARNING, is the most important thing to know about who, what, where and why Bundy became the monster he was. The interview with Dobson is on You Tube, I highly recommend it.
Thank you so much for this interview. Great Interview.
Ordering book tonight!!! One of his victim's remains was found near HAFB in Utah, where I lived. I've read everything i could found in regards to Ted. I am a true crime fanatic. He definitely left a stain in Utah.
I'm just over in Colorado, GJ, where he struck 1x that I know yet haven't heard how he contacted the woman / victim.
Thank you, Nate.
I wish next time you can interview just the cousin. The other lady can have her own interview. She has interesting things to say but to me, those penpals has other points of view just because they learned from reserching and chat and she wants to share what she knows, but she was not there and the real deal in this case, is the cousin.
Thank you for the interview, very interesting !!!
I’m so thankful to you for sharing your story. I feel we are kindred spirits because I too just shared my story. You are so right about getting the secrets out. I too feel relief after doing it. You did a great job sharing your story. My story is on Hidden True Crime here on RUclips. “I survived a serial killer”. Hugs
With so many docs & info on Ted, I'm way more interested in who his father was. He obviously hated women or at least held some sort of anger/resentment towards them. What about his maternal Grandfather? His early life is what should be investigated now, not his crimes that everyone on the planet is aware. His early life & his experiences between his Mother, his maternal Grandfather & Grandmother & other family members who were around him back in his childhood is the key to why he turned out the way he did. By any chance, did her Father know who Teds' dad was???
He had a serious, virtually live-in GF for several years at U Wa leading up to and including his first known killings. I believe that she also wrote a book.
His early life may have had an influence, that’s true. But there are some people who are born to become serial killers as well. Or it could’ve been a combination of both.
@@LetItBeSummer-1 I'be read that psycopath's have a brain abnormality. Wonder if they studied his brain after he died??
Good interview, I have heard Edna talk before, but not to this extent. Very interesting, but it must be so horrific to know or to be related to such a narcissistic, manipulative monster. Sorry for what Edna and the family went through, kinda know how Bryan Kohberger's family must be feeling. Thank you as always Nate. 🩷🦔🩷
I was also thinking about similarities with the Brian Kohberger case. Thanks for a great interview Nate!
Oh my goodness yes!
Another brilliant interview Nate.
I was at the UW in those years and remember how the murders dominated the news, which morphed into the drama of Ted's arrest in Utah and the two Colorado escapes. I did not know that Ted returned to Seattle after Utah. Then Florida. We all wanted it to end there, which it did. I read the Richard Larsen book. Your book sounds like an important addition to the story.
My question is: Was Ted’s grandfather a violent, abusive man? Some people have said he was and others have said he wasn’t.
I’m also very curious about this man and his early life, as well as finding out who Ted’s real biological father was. With DNA and ancestry sites, Im sure they could find out. Maybe they don’t want to? Couldn’t really blame them.
Our YW/YM meetings were canceled while he was killing in SLC in the early 1970.
Wow! Great interview! I can't even imagine what it has been like for her and her family the last 50 years plus!
So fascinating. Thanks for this insightful interview!
Thank them for sharing their story!❤
I remember the "Fry" parties that were held the night he was executed in 1989. It was a party and a big sigh or relief that he was no longer. Ann Rules book "The Stranger Beside Me" is really good. It will give you peek into the man that was Ted Bundy.
Oh Edna, I had a Ford Squire woody wagon also, in Phoenix, AZ. in 1974. Mine was black, with the wood grain.
How did the rest of the family respond to learning the truth about Ted? Especially his mother? (That poor woman!) But also how did Edna’s parents react, since they’d been so close to Ted?
This case has always fascinated me. I was a teenage girl in Colorado at the time he was active.
Wow! Thank you for doing this interview Nate. I don't think we'll ever know the depths of evil this man possessed within him.
A question for Edna: Do you think Ted resented your friends and family? It is interesting that Ted chose to hunt women in your extended friend group, he also chose to create a scene on the street near the bookstore in your company and called to let you know he was breaking out of jail (bragging). Do you think Ted enjoyed seeing your friends worry and suffer the loss of their friends?
Would Edna approve of Netflix doing a documentary on this book?
Fascinating stuff, Nate ! Great work.
I have a cousin Joesph P Jernigan who was from Texas that was executed in Texas for murder and he had his execution on HBO back in the 1980s at the time and he donated his body to science so they could see what causes people to murder so in a way I can understand this woman ‼️
Jaw dropping. She seems like such a nice person. I appreciate her telling her story. My 21 yo daughter is a student at UW. She lives three blocks from where Ted Bundy abducted Georgann Hawkins.
Nate, this was fascinating. You have to get the lady's back , I need to know what was in the letters, from the uk.
Great interview. I always want to know why? What sparked it? Was he abused? Did he kill animals as a child?
Best wishes as you continue to heal. 💙
He killed cats.
The woman on bottom of screen is to make sure the lies get kept straight from the cousin
I was in high school when his Washington and Utah murders took place. I still remember when he escaped the second time. No one knew where he was until the murders in Florida, so it was weird wondering if he was in my area coz no one knew where he was. It was scary. And the wild thing was that he looked so freaking normal. He didn't look like the monster he was. Only his victims saw that face.
I'm not sure whether or not 12 year old Kimberly Leach's name was mentioned in this but she lived in Lake City, FL just some 20 miles or so up the road from Gainesville, FL where Bundy murdered the University of Florida girls and one or two who just lived in or around Gainesville.
We were so shocked at the time about little Kimberly in safe, little Lake City, FL and also at UF/Gainesville area.
Thank you for this interview. I was in my mid to late thirties when all of this happened and remember the shock of it all very well.
Edna is talking from her memories, thats the interesting thing, here. The other lady is interrumping from her historical reserch knowlege wich is also very interesting but in this kind of interview, I prefer the personal memories of Edna, without interrumptions
Have you listened to one of his victims That Got Away I believe she was in pharmacy school she describes the whole event and the other girl in Tallahassee the headlights from the car scared him off that's 2 that survived him
Fascinating, informative and going to get the book.
He tried to pick my Aunt up from the street. Luckily she did not get in his car.
Was able to borrow the audible from the library.... starting it tonight
My god…Hiding in plain sight… a fascinating insight. She has a great memory too. And it just highlights both Teds sly charm, and the incompetence of the police!
Who's megan? Please stop smiling, both of you.
QQQ Did he find out who his bio dad was?
Jack Worthington is his biological father
The power of storytelling ❤
Great interview, Nate. Those women are impressive.
Wow! Fascinating story, great interview - I see a best selling book and movie ahead, I really do! Fantastic!
I really want to hear about the East Idaho connection.