As a guitarists I can agree that nothing hurts more than coming up with a great riff and then you try and play it again and cant remember it or it just doesnt sound the same. It sucks so bad lol, so now everytime I practice or jam I have a track recording everything bc you literally never know when some random thing you play is that little seed that can grow into a monster.
I always used to think “if it’s good I’ll remember it” But then once I got a phone and could record things on the fly, I’d come back to things I’d recorded just a couple of days earlier would be really excited by them but would have absolutely no memory of them. It’s like a present from yourself to yourself.
@@mindbait Nah, you heard Paul McCartney say it and thought it was a good idea, like the rest of us 😂. Paul's said this in countless interviews over the years.
I love this considering that I blast Cherub Rock every time I'm driving out of the Ravenswood neighborhood on Irving Park road, without knowing until now that this was the exact place he was driving when he heard this riff in his head!
It’s so obvious, the universe works in mysterious ways man, bro literally channeled the creative source in his head and turned it into an amazing song.
He was/is heavy into the occult. It talks about manipulation of the universe essentially through the astral or spiritual plane. You can change things on the earth through your mind with thoughts literally. Or you can receive things from the universe
I used to live a few blocks North of Austin and Addison. I met Billy one morning, waiting in line in a Maggiano's Bakery. The most regular dude/Rock Star ever.
Also remember how Jerry Cantrell wrote 'Stone' which is an awesome riff. He broke his arm, so he couldn't play his guitar so he just hummed this riff in his head
One afternoon/ evening, I painted to the whole album. Over and over, beer after beer I grew to Love the whole album. Mayonaise is my favorite song. 🍻☮️
I always thought it was a ripoff of Neu’s “Hallogallo” (at least those octave Es in the intro-listen to it; I can’t believe that By/Tor was the influence not Hallogallo.) I also thought the Who Wants Honey part was influenced by Cheap Trick’s “Oo La La.”
@@joewood1055 as a guitarist I can agree that it happens alot. Ive caught myself before playing something awesome just to realize I heard on a show or a cd or movie or something that was literally years ago and it just sat dormant and you think you came up with it. It happens all the time to musicians as were always hearing things we like or think we could tweak or like I said you forget about it and 1 day boom.
Cherub Rock was the hook that caught me… then everything else, before and since… bought a grey strat… had vinyl bats custom made for it (like Billy’s)…
It’s always like that. You come up with the best riffs while you’re out and don’t have a guitar handy. And a lot of the time is part of the rhythm of the moment. So even if you can remember the notes, if you can’t remember the rhythm it’s almost useless.
In early 2002 I was 6 years out of high school and still trying to figure stuff out. My best friend from high school went to IU and got the degree and by that time was living in Chicago working his first real job. One day he calls me and asks if I want to sublet his room in the apartment he had with another young guy. They just weren’t getting along. I was living in Indianapolis and was like I guess why not :). He picks me up literally two hours later because was home for the weekend and boom I’m on my way to Chicago to live haha. I shared a place with some people and it was already crowded so they were like bye bye. Well this place was on Greenview avenue. I was and am a huge SP fan but this was early internet still. So it wasn’t just common to know everything about anything if you wanted to. Anyway long story short I rambled around those streets right there in the same area Billy and the band had as there complete world as I think he put it once only literally a few years earlier. When I found out it was so crazy and I enjoyed hitting the streets even more
Cherub Rock in Sage's Kotsenburg's snowboard videoclip was sooo good, that I don't know if the official Pumpkins video was better. And The Official Pumpkins Video was something that good, like The Cinamon Girl Video by Type O Negative. Sooo good 😊😊😊
This is aooo me, omg. I did this when I was a child and phones were for the rich only Now that I have my phone, I have thousand and thousands of recordings of ideas, hummings and sounds that will not make sense to anyone else but me. I wonder if when I die, people will listen to them and think they're weird
“… somebody picked me up.” That’s where it starts for artists.. they get the pampering and life becomes too comfortable and slowly, the moments of inspiration dry up. Hence why the Pumpkins songs were so great for about five years and then they just disintegrated.
@@horrifyingcat well have you listened to around 3:55 seconds in the song? The rhythm and guitar chords are almost exactly the same, the rhythm is different in both songs, but it is basically the same structure and harmonic idea as that part of the rush song And plus, I don't think it's ripped off, I think inspired is the right word, because they sound pretty inspired from one another, but not the same
Good thing Lloyd Christmas was already on his way to Aspine so not to fuck up a classic by picking up Billy and making him late or getting him pinned under a gas truck, that's the worst. Lol Why you nervous? Flying somewhere? #JohnDenversFullOfShitMan
Imagine if this gem got wasted if the driver turned around and said "how bout this traffic?"
😂😂😂
Wrong 😑 actually it goes like this
“Man You’ve got to Have an opinion! Do you think God came down from heaven and stopped all…” ＢＯＯＭ！！！
@@EditEdit-uv3km He shot Marv in the face...
I drive Uber and I always respect the customers requests.
As a guitarists I can agree that nothing hurts more than coming up with a great riff and then you try and play it again and cant remember it or it just doesnt sound the same. It sucks so bad lol, so now everytime I practice or jam I have a track recording everything bc you literally never know when some random thing you play is that little seed that can grow into a monster.
So true, thank God for smart phones.
I always used to think “if it’s good I’ll remember it” But then once I got a phone and could record things on the fly, I’d come back to things I’d recorded just a couple of days earlier would be really excited by them but would have absolutely no memory of them. It’s like a present from yourself to yourself.
@@mindbait Nah, you heard Paul McCartney say it and thought it was a good idea, like the rest of us 😂. Paul's said this in countless interviews over the years.
Dude I know the feeling I've lost so many phones n notebooks with my music and didn't get to record some of the songs I've made it sucks
I love this considering that I blast Cherub Rock every time I'm driving out of the Ravenswood neighborhood on Irving Park road, without knowing until now that this was the exact place he was driving when he heard this riff in his head!
What a trip!!
You visit the Taproom often?
Thank you driver for not fucking it up.haha🤘😘❤️🙏
Thank god for those uninterrupted 25 minutes!! Ive probably listened to that song 10,000x
It’s so obvious, the universe works in mysterious ways man, bro literally channeled the creative source in his head and turned it into an amazing song.
He brought the song to Chamberlin and Vig and together they made the best possible thing out of it and put that on Siamese Dream.
@@standinsilence while Iha and Darcy were slackin off!!!! (Idk)
@@ok9908
Oh well at least Iha did contribute a bit to the songwriting.
And as for D'Arcy?
Well I heard she smoked more crack than Rick James.. :-p
@@standinsilence she just learned the songs and was good for the image of the band. In my (wasn't even alive in the 90s) view.
He was/is heavy into the occult. It talks about manipulation of the universe essentially through the astral or spiritual plane.
You can change things on the earth through your mind with thoughts literally. Or you can receive things from the universe
I used to live a few blocks North of Austin and Addison. I met Billy one morning, waiting in line in a Maggiano's Bakery. The most regular dude/Rock Star ever.
Perfect example, ideas just sprout at any moment for musicians
Cherub Rock is an amazing introduction to an amazing album
Same thing with chris cornell and black hole sun, he was stuck in traffic and came up with the lyrics
Omg I just realized that Kirstin Dunst and Billy Corgan could be twins😮
And I bet you have eyes for the neighbor boy as well.
@@executenwordusers Homophobe
So awesome to hear how the song came about. One of the greatest rock riffs ever.
Also remember how Jerry Cantrell wrote 'Stone' which is an awesome riff. He broke his arm, so he couldn't play his guitar so he just hummed this riff in his head
The early Metro shows before they broke big were unbelievable !!! What a time to live in Chicago !!!
So many times I’ve tried and failed to remember that incredibly crunchy riff that popped in my head at work.
The universe was flowing through him
That’s the riff that made me fall in love with the Smashing Pumpkins! 🤘🏾
i dno't listen to them as much anymore but 'siamese dream' is undeniably the sleeper GOAT 90's rock album.
I personally prefer Pisces Iscariot
I love how Billy is valiantly defending the status as the coolest band of the 90s
Awesome story!!! ❤😂… I love the creative process & genius.
One afternoon/ evening, I painted to the whole album. Over and over, beer after beer I grew to Love the whole album. Mayonaise is my favorite song. 🍻☮️
I've also heard that he had it in his head, but it actually turned out to be the bridge of a Rush song. I think By-Tor and The Snow Dog
Yes. U r correct. Corgan even says it’s a rip off. Maybe not a conscious rip off but …
He’s talking about the melody part I think not the beginning
He heard the melody before the verse kicks in.
I always thought it was a ripoff of Neu’s “Hallogallo” (at least those octave Es in the intro-listen to it; I can’t believe that By/Tor was the influence not Hallogallo.) I also thought the Who Wants Honey part was influenced by Cheap Trick’s “Oo La La.”
@@joewood1055 as a guitarist I can agree that it happens alot. Ive caught myself before playing something awesome just to realize I heard on a show or a cd or movie or something that was literally years ago and it just sat dormant and you think you came up with it. It happens all the time to musicians as were always hearing things we like or think we could tweak or like I said you forget about it and 1 day boom.
this is really amazing to hear. thanks Bill.
Really wish we would get a deep dive on other songs besides their big singles
Thats a real musician right there "dont say anything im making a banger"
Excellent interview. Thank you both!!!
Holy hell 30 years gone by already? Jesshhh
I JUST learned I lived 2 towns over from Billy in Arlington Heights… pretty cool.
My Favorite Rock Song Ever!
My mom had a one of those in the trunk also. It variedfrom Smashing Pumpkins to Frou Frou 🤘🏽
A riff that changes lives!
Great riff indeed!
He was in the cab when he said, "Let me OUT!"
One of the first songs I learned on the guitar....
Super track.. what an opener
Best opener of am album. Really set the tone for the album
@@davezedman definitely.. massive
love these stories how the song a and riffs came ABOUT
That's definitely one of the best drums leading up to the guitar solo's of the 90's it's jam!
That song is still one of my favorites from the 90s…hands down. And to hear his story about it makes it that much more.
Thank goodness that riff came up in his head, or we wouldn't have the most explosive opener from the Pumpkins
I honestly get that feeling as well except its music that randomly gets stuck in my head 😂
Fantastic riff
Cabbie’s like “Ey, just doing my job heya.” Song gone.
Cherub Rock was the hook that caught me… then everything else, before and since… bought a grey strat… had vinyl bats custom made for it (like Billy’s)…
Such An Amazing Story From Highland Park’s Finest William Patrick Corgan
C-dub, cool it on that, got it?
Wow such an intresting but simple story which i feel thats how most songs get created in like a mind concept just waiting to be recorded and saved
Billy is a great guitar player and i think cherub rock shows this !
When I turned 16 the first time I borrowed my dads car, I popped in my Siamese Dream "tape" and played Cherub Rock over and over
It’s always like that. You come up with the best riffs while you’re out and don’t have a guitar handy. And a lot of the time is part of the rhythm of the moment. So even if you can remember the notes, if you can’t remember the rhythm it’s almost useless.
Wow.. That's amazing story
That’s my favorite song! 🤯
In early 2002 I was 6 years out of high school and still trying to figure stuff out. My best friend from high school went to IU and got the degree and by that time was living in Chicago working his first real job. One day he calls me and asks if I want to sublet his room in the apartment he had with another young guy. They just weren’t getting along. I was living in Indianapolis and was like I guess why not :). He picks me up literally two hours later because was home for the weekend and boom I’m on my way to Chicago to live haha. I shared a place with some people and it was already crowded so they were like bye bye. Well this place was on Greenview avenue. I was and am a huge SP fan but this was early internet still. So it wasn’t just common to know everything about anything if you wanted to. Anyway long story short I rambled around those streets right there in the same area Billy and the band had as there complete world as I think he put it once only literally a few years earlier. When I found out it was so crazy and I enjoyed hitting the streets even more
Raw and real. How music was made before computers and tech bullshit. 🎃🔨
This story has changed so many times. First it’s this then it was By-Tor And The Snow Dog now this
just because he didnt mention it here, doesnt mean the story about where the song was inspired by actually changed
Back when we had no phones ,and you had to riff in your brains,all the way home!
Every guitarist knows exactly what he means, too. You hear it in your head and desperately try to not lose it before you get to your guitar.
PRICELESS !!
It's amazing he came up with this in the 1800's before phones
Cherub Rock in Sage's Kotsenburg's snowboard videoclip was sooo good, that I don't know if the official Pumpkins video was better. And The Official Pumpkins Video was something that good, like The Cinamon Girl Video by Type O Negative. Sooo good 😊😊😊
Check out the pumpkins cover of cinnamon girl
Genius.
Wait, he had a place by the old wright college AND in Wrigleyville?
Their breakthrough hit, though people think Today was that was just their biggest from Siamese dream
This is aooo me, omg. I did this when I was a child and phones were for the rich only
Now that I have my phone, I have thousand and thousands of recordings of ideas, hummings and sounds that will not make sense to anyone else but me. I wonder if when I die, people will listen to them and think they're weird
It is Rhinoceros 2.0… he knows it
Cherub rock is so underrated
Bro no its not 😂
Not really. It’s one of the more iconic songs in alternative rock.
Shout out to Irving park!!!
I'm a little confused the music box theater is nowhere near Austin and Addison the music box theater is on 3733 N.Southport
I lived at Irving and Austin
Hey Billy you have anymore of those Zero shirts?
He is a Pisces (Sun. Main identity) MOST are HIGHLY creative.
I feel so vindicated im not weird for humming riffs into my phone 😂😂
God gave it to him
Would have been funny if the taxi driver had started humming ghost town by the specials ' it would of ended up sounding like tales of the unexpected 😂
“Man I love the drums in Cherub Rock, Jimmy Chamberlain is so awes-“
**“BORING. HERE IS HOW I, BILLY CORGAN, CAME UP WITH THE GUITAR PART”**
“… somebody picked me up.” That’s where it starts for artists.. they get the pampering and life becomes too comfortable and slowly, the moments of inspiration dry up. Hence why the Pumpkins songs were so great for about five years and then they just disintegrated.
so it came to him through laurel canyon mk ultra 😎
Imagine guy was a chatterbox
and then some goofball will say he ripped it off from some rush song
Well he actually admitted in a interview that the intro was inspired by rush, so theyre not wrong but ye
@@KarterTB79 no, i know. but ripped off lol. i've heard it and i hear like no resemblance at all
@@horrifyingcat well have you listened to around 3:55 seconds in the song? The rhythm and guitar chords are almost exactly the same, the rhythm is different in both songs, but it is basically the same structure and harmonic idea as that part of the rush song
And plus, I don't think it's ripped off, I think inspired is the right word, because they sound pretty inspired from one another, but not the same
@@KarterTB79 Well Rush's debut sounds similar to songs of of Budgie's first two albums from 1971 and 1972. Everyone is influenced by someone prior.
Well then you are calling corgan a goofball cause he himself said it was unintentional ripoff
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Can anybody explain the snare intro ?
Wow 😲
Why does Cherub rock make
Me
Think of ice cream
Wasn’t it a rush song he got the riff off of?
Billy changes his stories all the time 🤣
❤❤❤❤❤
Well, everyone has a phone now and still almost no one is making great rock music, so we live in a time of paradoxes.
Was that guy Butch Vig????
I bet he'd just been listening to Rush
Wait I thought he said it was a rip off of the middle of By-Tor the Snowdog by Rush
Chorus is Ooh La La by cheap trick. Basically a nod to both bands.
“This was back in the day before phones.”
I’m so old.
Billy said in the past that Cherub Rock is a rip-off a Rush riff.
“This was back before phones” yeah no sh*t Billy 😂
John Malkovich
I had a 10 disk changer, but, ya know, whatever
Universe....😂😂😂😂😂
This is a story the real story of how he made the riff
ruclips.net/user/shortslh8chL6MIY4?si=1rOzWE8a-RRZDTzg
Dam
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Good thing your drug dealer didn't say anything for 25 mins!
Just a reminder, that everything is ripped off... and that's ok.
But um... Didnt you say you ripped off rush.......
Good thing Lloyd Christmas was already on his way to Aspine so not to fuck up a classic by picking up Billy and making him late or getting him pinned under a gas truck, that's the worst. Lol
Why you nervous? Flying somewhere?
#JohnDenversFullOfShitMan
Who wants honey?