@@r33bad That's a Cash Cow Franchise,Bro. They've been beating a Maggot Infested Horse for decades. Also, I Fucking Hate Shounens like One Piece, Sorry.
Honestly I like the direction Morikawa is taking. He's always been dedicated as a writer to catching the feeling of boxing. What happened to Ippo is a harsh reality of boxing, look at Muhammed Ali.
You all say it isn't over yet but, this is true as is my statement lol By the looks of things he's not boxing again for a very loooooong time. This arc is basic as hell.
All your points are valid. But. And hear me out here, it's working. This arc, from his retirement to current release, seems to be about his naivety, and his growth as a person, not as a boxer. As a boxer, he has changed, a whole lot. What you didn't mention is that he is still in essence the same person on the inside, and that person is basically a child. Right now, his girlfriend is tearing herself up and losing the plot and he is going to have to learn how to understand someone else. Shes trapped because he is oppo, and he will keep his word, and he even believes it, but she can see the effect it has on him, the real effort hes putting in, and is lost in her own trap, unable to admit (yet) that shes made a mistake. He has started working at the gym, helping out his mates from the corner, and again he needs to grow up and learn to understand people and to acknowledge their flaws as a weakness instead of making excuses for them to be as successful as he wants to be. It's a real growth potential that he wasn't going to get while he was training. And working. And still training while hes working. Which brings me to my last point Ippo IS broken. He is a monster in the gym and on the track, and rightly so. But it's broken him. The coach has no idea that ippo is taking all that he can dish out, which is a very calculated and strategic regime of exercise, and piling hours a day of more and more training at extreme levels. And ippo thinks he needs to do this because he needs to prove himself, to make the coach happy. The coach has no idea. Go back. Read all his after hours work. People know he pushes himself close to fights, but they have no idea that he never stops, ever. From extra runs in the mornings, to his i think two or three times going out for Road work while hes at the gym, to more roadwork on the way home, and an extra run after dinner. He runs for his high intensity roadwork more than twice the amount of anyone else at that gym. And that's not including any of the other things he does. His body finally gave up on him is exactly what happened. What has changed now is that he still does all that extra, only now he has had a decent rest from training, and what he does now is 'just' the extra. He is now doing roughly the amount of work the coach believed him to be doing while he was actively boxing. The coach comes back in the last chapter , and tests ippo by asking him to help him warm up. Ippo falls right back into their old routine, only now, as he warms up and the coach tells him to push it for a big finish, the coach cant keep up... the genius coach who knows this boxer better than anyone and can read him like a book, and still actively trains takamura, cant. keep. up. But hes still ippo, and he wont break that promise. He wont even think to ask her to reconsider giving him permission, because he doesn't know how to communicate. A very long running theme in this manga has been of him taking in what people say, and internalizing it, and figuring out an answer that often isn't what people expected, and just somehow assuming that the other person just knows what hes thinking or what's going on, and that they know best. And they assume that because he doesn't ask questions, that he understood not only what they mean but why they said it.
Agreed. That's why i never give up with this shonen. Because i know Ippo will comeback in the ring. He simply need pass this line and grow up by stopping to be naive and kind with anyone. Like you know... When he finally snap out by the fault of his pupils by fighting outside of the ring. The face he made by bitch slapped the guy... That wasn't human at all... And i would like this face again, but this time. When he will finally be ready to face Ricardo Martinez in the world ring... I would like to see Ricardo scared the f out of Ippo. Like the time when Eiji scared Ricardo to death with his Heartbreak Shot. (Only in the anime and not in the manga.) I'd like to see Ricardo's face to be affraid against Makunouchi Ippo.
@@MidoseitoAkage are they still continuing the manga? If so what should I read? I stopped after his second loss with The Mexican who I forgot the name of
Sports is not something easy that main character powers will work. Well that is how real life sports work. Do you know derrick rose? His story is completely messed up. Hajime no ippo is just making us realize that life is not easy you will lose and lose it is your choice to come back and wim
@Golden Castle the amateurs he's had a few, the difference is how much someone learns with each win/defeat. No one is ever completely undefeated, he was undefeated when it really mattered the most.
The difference is that this is a fictional manga that in most cases, pretty well every case it ends in a rewarding way. I have been reading this for over a decade, and this is the shit he pulls? tsk tsk. I agreed with this guy and absolutely stopped reading the same time as he did. This isn't real life. If I wanted to watch real life sports I would. Oh well that's my opinion. I hope all of you still find joy in this manga!!!
ippo's having 2nd thoughts atm..all through out the series ippo didn't develop the mentality to cross that line where monsters reside like takamura said.focused too much on his dempsey that he forgot to see the forest not just the tree, there are references of these shown in the recent manga where he look up the stars.maybe the desperation and realization of his 3rd defeat will unleash the monster that is currently developing inside him (he's still wearing those weights, manage to draw straight lines whilst wearing it to the shock of umezawa). as frustrating as the 3rd loss is, im not gonna walk out on this not when its only the 4th quarter and the clock still isnt zero :)
Allow me to shed the light on why Ippo lost. When Takamura drew the line that Ippo hasnt yet crossed, I knew what he needed to progress. The fight he lost was because he didnt cross the line, nothing else. The line, is the monstrous nature Takamura spoke of. The ability to give it all of your violence and monstrous nature to destroying your opponent. Re-read with this in mind and all of the characters dialogue and Ippos actions make scene. Even Sendo said that Ippos fight was over on account of the steam comming off Ippo, as Sendo has crossed this line as he showed in his previous fight, he had no idea Ippo would hold back or miss because he couldnt bring that much harm with his new weapons to another living person. Even all of Takamuras subtle hostility makes sense in this light. As he knew that Ippo was wasting his time. I predict based on the story outside of Ippo that Sendo will fall in his next fight or even lose his life, regardless this will reawaken Ippo and allow him to comit to crossing Takamuras line. Time will tell.
This isn't my theory but I read it somewhere on a thread. A guy said he thinks maybe the couch will pass away, that will impact Takamura mentally and emotionally and eventually, he will lose and the act of losing would crush him since in his mind he was invincible and had never lost a fight. He then retires abruptly. Some time will pass and Takamura will end up talking Ippo into giving it another shot while also becoming his coach, Takamura being an actual boxing Genius will be able to guide Ippo in a different direction, to draw out some part of his abilities he never tapped in to.
the thing is, Morikawa is dragging the story too much. Idk if he's trying to be u predictable but damn this is a long ass road Ippo is taking on. What was the sense of the Baton Pass by Date if ippo is just gonna retire and lose the way he did against Guevarra. It doesnt make any sense but yeah i hope they make it up to us by doing smething drastic like kill the coach and force Ippo to come back better than ever
I agree with your points. But I respect the author for giving me all the excitement for so many years, so I will read whatever the ending will be and be happy about it.
Calm down, it's a comic O_o Also, people may find enjoyment in things you do not. The Guevara fight and the current development of Ippo as a second is clearly meant to be divisive so I understand your hate, but personally I'm having a great time seeing Ippo in another light.
While I agree the pacing is terrible, I do not believe it is the fault of the writer. Hajime No Ippo isn't very popular in comparison to the recent explosion of other popular sports anime, and so it isn't released nearly as often. I also believe Hajime No Ippo is the perfect sports anime BECAUSE it's so unconventional. We expect it to follow Shonen logic, but I don't think it's a Shonen. In my eyes, it's strictly a sports anime/manga, and tells the stories of the world of boxing, which IS filled with heartbreaks and unsatisfying endings and upsets. Some of the best forms of media are ones with very negatively emotional endings. Even so, I don't believe that Ippo's story will end on a low note. The mangaka is a real life boxing manager and second who's seen every boxing story play out with his very eyes, and the fear and pressure of coming back, not letting down the coach, not letting down his peers, not letting down Takamura who warned him not to come back, not letting down Kumi and not letting down himself could have gotten to him, turning his fears of punch drunk into real symptoms. I think that'd be a very interesting and real direction for the plot to go.
I wholeheartedly agree! I have to say that giving HnI a satisfactory ending will be much, much harder now that it's gotten off the shonen stereotype, but the payoff will be amazing if Morikawa pulls that off. So far so good(~chap 1336)
It's not as popular as other sports anime because it's not going anywhere. No one wants to watch the main protagonist gets beaten up for over 1000 chapters.
This is a good discussion. I mean its sort of funny when people speak against the formula but when a shounen diverges from what is expected and 180s; it hits way too hard. Fans cannot accept it because they are invested into the positive themes of a shounen and as much as they speak cynically about it; the general consensus is obvious and is the correct themes to push. It is what one ultimately wants to see but they also hypocritically speak against it all the same. Then they attempt to justify by speaking vague reasoning like how it should've been told or paced better; not understanding that they themselves have no idea how that specifically could be done and is not the reason they feel so empty. Take out the semantics. It is because of the above. The themes and characters they have come and love took an unpredictable turn that went tragically opposite to its once noble, optimistic roots. A true tragedy is heart breaking. Anything less and it is just bittersweet. It means there is still hope or good to be found out of it. In a way, if this is how it ends; Ippo is quite the tragedy. Its a tragic underdog story which is very rare to see. Ippo has always been about perseverance, determination, never giving up, the meaning of strength, hard work. That is how to get to the top. I've always complained about Ippo's style in just bulldozing his way through with disregard and taking headshots that looks like he was killed by them. How he has very little technique when it comes to dodging and just getting hammered to get in. His style is mike tyson but contrary to belief, mike was exceptionally fast for a heavyweight and weaves through many hits. Turns out the author went an unexpected route of realistic consequences from ippo's lack of technique and he came out punch drunk. That's very ballsy and goes against everything that the series has established thematically since its humble conception. It is empty, unsatisfying, and dead like a real tragedy is. A bittersweet ending would be like if Deku, in his "madness" to the pursuit of the greatest heroic ideal (as nighteye points out) has taken him on a path of self destruction as it has been laid out; and he becomes crippled by the end. Having to relinquish the ability OFA to a successor for the next generation to maintain the pillar of peace once more. He becomes the greatest hero in his legacy alone while he himself retires from the world of heroes.
So because the author change mind we have to accept that ? I don't want to been push in my face a fuck you dumbass, because that's how the author reached me with this 180 turn. I got a HUGE FUCK YOU in my face !
I agree with Bloody saying that this is tragic, and it does hit my heart 💓 is ways that would make this a good ending to a long journey. But this isn't the ending apparently. We are even being reintroduced to long passed characters like Shotgun style Hayami, who is literally just showing off to impress Ippo.
yeah and its very boring, I dont like how the serie is now, besides Takamura got completely forgotten now (he barely even appears) and I prefer if they focus on him more now that Ippo is a second
I think at least one of them should never get it, despite how cruel it seems, the point for their characters are to show that "not everyone who works hard gets rewarded" it's sad but it's a fact of life and I really like that morikawa isn't afraid to show us how difficult that can be.
@@Naniwa_Tiger facts brodie I always loved the duo aoki is the funniest but kimura is definitely my favorite of the two, as standard and base he believes himself to be he and aoki both have come such a long wayy since the anime cuz man the manga is just chefs kiss lol
While I understand your concerns with how ippo ise developing. This type of development is expected in real boxing. Seeing how the writer and artist use to be a second and coach in boxing I understand this route. Like you said Ippo is the average athelete, but the only thing stopping him is his mental fears. Seems like it might go into an Arturo Gatti route where after multiple losses he'll head into a boxing trilagy match with another average boxer. Watch Gatti vs Ward because I can see George using Ippo in that situation.
This is an interesting video and I enjoyed it. I can tell you, the retirement arc has been the best thing that could happen to the series. You should revisit it. I promise you won’t regret it
Hajime no ippo has inspired so many weebs to go out and be free, you cant just judge hajime no ippo purely on it being an anime, its motivational, he keeps getting up despite all odds. You would be surprised on how many people loved it and got up to workout, i get that maybe you just take it as a show to watch but for others and i its a inspiration to get up no matter what and work harder each time. Hell i became a boxer that did fairly well because of this anime, but later in life i had to get a good job to support myself. couldn’t quite get the world champion.. I think my record before i left was 21w and 14L and about 1 k.o lol
Ippo’s biggest issue was that he didn’t give himself any time to recuperate from his ridiculous training regime, and that broke him when it mattered most. I think part of his development as a character now will be learning his limits and knowing when he’s pushing himself too far. He needs to slowly build himself up over time, going full steam ahead is no longer working. He’ll come back, this isn’t his first loss.
That's sad to hear that Hajime no Ippo is on such a decline. Big fan of the show since over 10 years ago. I've always wondered why the series felt like it was dragging on for so long and always found an excuse to never match the rivals together because they wanted the show to go on for as long as possible (as if Miyata would be the final chapter). To see it end like this, with no climax, is the real liver shot to land in this series.
No decline, just a different way for the story to go, a lot of stories are happy, but boxing is something where the stories that are happy usually have a similar amount of darkness to them, boxing isn't a happy story, its always been one of struggle, and father time is undefeated
Although I agree with your feelings and opinions for Ippo, I am still waiting for him to "cross the line" one day. Funny to say I grew up with this series and it was shocking when he went down with the punch drunk. I hope I live long enough to see where this will go..
@Adrian Veidt that is simply because Ricardo is so skilled he has no competition can't be comparing takamura and Ricardo they are two different type of dominant fighters
@@Muhiima2005 and thats why I say Martinez is the stronger pound for pound. Eventually Martinez gonna lost in the final arc. Takamura is taking a hard time everytime now. Maybe both will end losing :( We'll never know who's stronger
I think he will retire and later eather find out its not seriois damage or lern to deal with it but since he did promise Kumi he still retires. He goes on with his life but it doesnt feel right and hes depresed so Kumi tells him to try again bit dont get hurt or something so he listens to her and trains,and comes back as the underdog again. TLDR: Something like Date Eiji I think it can be interesting if the author realy steps up and realy shows how ippos mental state is and makes the reader care. Sry for any spelling mistakes :)
Morikwa shows as what the reality of boxing is and that its not just a physical game but also mental. We have seen date return after a long retirement so Ippo will surely come back too. In my opinion this is the best course that the story could have taken. And also what do you mean we are hear for Ippo. Ippo is like my 10th favorite character in the series I am also very excited about the story of many other characters. If I wanted to read about someone that cant be defeated I would go read the other ten million manga's out there.
Man I hate to tip the balance of likes-dislikes to negative, and I understand your frustration. But your idea that 1. watching Ippo train someone else would be boring is pretty flawed considering that Hajime no Ippo has NEVER been about just Ippo. Not from the first chapters. Some of the best arcs of the show and manga are sometimes entirely unrelated from Ippo's next fight, and checking out on the end of the story because a chunk of it isn't about Ippo himself boxing feels kind of disingenuous. 2. Ippo and Kumi CAN ABSOLUTELY resolve their subplot in an emotionally gratifying way. Sometimes the desires of people who love each other come into conflict and if (when) Ippo decides to box again I would LOVE to see what happens because that would only be bad story telling if someone actually did something strictly out of character that isn't justified through growth. And I know that this is kind of through the gift of hindsight, but I'm VERY satisfied with three explanation for why Ippo's boxing suffered. Why? Because it happened to me. I was always a good wrestler but I actually came back from knee surgery better than ever because I took a prolonged break where I analyzed my approach mentally but focused on physical recovery. And that's the true beauty of Hajime no Ippo, not that it's realistic or emotional but that *it's realistic to the emotions in the struggle for combat athlete glory and living life in general*. You win. You lose. Sometimes you lose so badly you feel like you have to quit. But if you keep moving forward in some way, no matter how small, things will put themselves together in front of you. I'm glad Ippo quit, and I'm beyond excited to see him KILL when he gets back in the ring.
@FRANK_BLOCK_SAVAGE #HBK I think the author said that Takamura is the strongest "the ideal boxer" is what he represents... Takamura stands above everyone else :P
To be honest, it was like a clash between the build up of ippo winning the comeback match and going forward and the build up of ippo being punch drunk and retiring once and for all. It could've gone both ways but oh well.
You know there is another option. What if kumi realizes that ippo misses boxing after retiring. At this point he does not actually have brain damaged but maybe has another sort of fixable condition. Kumi allows ippo to continue boxing even after his promise . This is just a scenario
If anybody stop reading Hajime no Ippo because of these video, you might want to resume reading it. Something interesting going to happend. Maybe it will be fun to read after 6 months from now on.
@@justajobro1266 nah. The art style change & somehow i felt distant to the manga. I only read till Sendo fought at Mexico but i doubt Ippo already return to the ring. Maybe i will re-read the manga on next year
Here is my two cents, it’s a little lengthy but hear me out We have to remember that Ashita No Joe was a big inspiration for the creation of Hajime no Ippo and Joe also had a punch drunk arc in it. Although Joe’s was never fixed and led to his death. With that said, I feel this arc is what the whole series has been building to. I feel like the inspiration from Ashita no Joe was “What would have happened if Joe wasn’t punch drunk” and for that reason I feel that Ippo WILL return to the ring. I do not think for a second that Ippo is actually punch drunk. I think that this whole thing will be explained in the manga as Ippo was so fixated on his previous loses, so fixated on his promise to Kumi, so fixated on showing his coach that Ippo wasn’t wasting his time all while trying to convince himself and everyone else that he isn’t punch drunk that he overcomplicated everything. His mind was so clouded with everything else that he couldn’t focus clearly. Another big factor is Miyata. Before all of this he had just found out that he would never fight Miyata, which has been his goal throughout the entire series. So I believe that at some point before the fight he had already come to terms with it being his last fight. Sure they could fight on a world stage, but would the end justify the means? Would it be worth his health and his relationship with Kumi? For this reason I believe he is not punch drunk, I believe strongly that he went into that match with one goal...to land the improved Dempsey roll and show everyone what he had accomplished and then retire regardless of if he won or not. The loss itself just solidified his decision of retirement, because of his promise. This would explain why all these problems and all this drama was wrote into the story before this point. It was for Ippo to have a self-reflection arc. As well as a time for the side characters to take the fore-front for a while, because we also have to remember that Hajime no Ippo isn’t all about Ippo. I’m sure writing a story where EVERY fighter has a dream was becoming quite strenuous. I’m sure that the end game of Hajime no Ippo requires a few certain fighters to be on the world stage with Ippo and that this Punch Drunk arc doubled as a excuse for the rest of the cast to get to where they need to be for the actual final part of Ippo to commence. When the stage is set, Ippo will snap out of this and fight again. It’s obvious because of how much he is still training, how much he regrets his decision, and how far his rivals are coming while he is reflecting on himself. We just gotta power through this for a little while longer, because the best of Ippo has still been yet to be seen
Imagine dissing one of the best character arcs in shonen because oh the dreams of the mc were crushed keep crying your the one who will miss one of the greatest of conclusions ever made
RemixZX It’s not that she lacks character development it’s that she doesn’t want him to box. Kumi has opinions on her own and it takes TWO to compromise. She shouldn’t just agree to everything he does with no question if kumi is giving apart of something she doesn’t like which is letting him talk and do stuff about boxing now even though she doesn’t want to ippo has to give apart of himself. Meaning he can’t box anymore. If he breaks his promise and boxes again than kumi needs someone who will treat her better
This is why Limura Mari is considered the Yoko of the Hajime no Ippo series. While Kumi is the Noriko of the series. If you've seen Ashita no Joe then you know what I mean.
@@pizzaparker8906 That's left up to your interpretation. It's meant to be so the viewer can decide whether he died or lived. Like how thr creator himself said that he didn't kill Joe, as the ending scene is supposed to represent him facing tomorrow. However it's all up to the viewer to decide.
This is what all world contenders should do after a loss realistically. Take a break to physically, mentally, and emotionally recover. Some people need more time to unlearn what failed them and most never really fix their mistakes, just work around them. At this point its about what ippo truly wants and if he's going to fight for it.
If there's one thing I don't like about the series, it's Ippo's air of invincibility. There are so many occasions during Ippo's matches where he gets absolutely obliterated and the fight should clearly go to the opponent, but through sheer plot convenient willpower hes granted a chin made out of fucking iron whenever he thinks of his friends before getting knocked out and then suddenly the opponent who was running circles around him is suddenly just as exhausted as he is. I still call bullshit on the Woli fight to name just one. Ippo wins far too many times in the series, the only opponents he loses against are those that Ippo just couldn't logically beat, and even then, it took some effort from Alfredo to beat him. I'm starting to root for the guys Ippo and Takamura fight against just to see them lose for once. Conversely, I root for Kimura and Aoki because they actually feel like grounded characters who deserve to win. Also the characters seem to suffer a bit of flanderization as the series progresses. Takamura becomes an arrogant but outlandish and likeable douchebag to a completely unbearable prick whilst Aoki turns from a goofy-but funny and relatable side character into a pathetic joke.
I have to agree on your opinion in the video. In my humble opinion, the direction of Ippo taking right now while he is recovering from his 3rd lost is right. I think what Morikawa should do is take the time in terms of writing the story and fix the overall pacing of the whole manga series. Moreover, I think Morikawa should explore more in Ippo character by exploring the mental side of boxing and from there, he should build Ippo from the ground up.
The current story arc is the best its been in a while...I disagree with everything said here. Ippo is decades old at this point. It ain't ending any time soon
I'm not gonna lie, Ippo as a second is extremely fascinating, I rlly hope you picked it back up 'cus honestly a lot of my favorite parts of the manga are post-retirement
This was very sad for me... because i ve not read the manga yet... this was very sad... because i always felt very connected to the anime... *but truthfully, the truth is that almost all boxers end up like this....
Like that boxer said to ippo in the beginning .... A Boxing match is unpredicting. Damn to lose to someone that was just like him, Shit he could of even lost to sendo. But if they end it here its still a really good anime, plus it shows you the real ups and downs of boxing, How Heart and Determination Can get you far, but Natural Born Talent and Experience can get you further
1) Actually, healing brain damage isn't that bullshit. It's kinda the same in reality, but in the manga it's clear that "symptoms and recovery" of being drunk punch is completely dependant of the person. It wouldn't be that weird if IPPO has like temporal brain damage, or something of a kind 2) And about ippo-kumi promise ? I think that's very cool to have something a bit different between these two, maybe confrontation, i don't know. I mean, they arent very far in their relationship.
Everyone entitled to their own opinion; although this is for me the most "humane" sports manga adaption. His "wrong" decision completes totally with his personality; what is to happen after is to happen. Even he might be the main character, I never felt when reading or watching its just about "1 guy trying to make it".
Don't know if you'll see this comment, they sent to be going the "find the boxer that will fulfill his dreams and train him" route which honestly disappoints me so hard, for the series to be at this point honestly breaks my heart. I read through it and it was always my motivation to do physical activity and box and now it just seems wrong. I'm hoping that Ippo gets back in the ring for two more fights
This is coming from some one whos obviously never been in the ring. Hajime No Ippo is written to be a semi realistic take on boxing, at least as realistic as it can be in anime. His last defeat is something that has happened to many professional fighters. He hit something in the middle of a match that he never experienced. He got thrown hard and fell back onto muscle memory instead of thinking and strategizing. He stopped boxing and started trying to survive and became frustrated when he got blocked and countered at every turn, when his body wouldnt do what he wanted it to do. That last match became a desperation bout; theres no room for thinking at that point. The coach, your friends, your promises none of that matters, why? Because they arent the ones in the ring flailing around and getting pummeled. Its just you and the guy beating the piss out of you. You lose confidence, you lose strategy and you lose the match 9 times outta 10. Its something that breaks alot of fighters and pushed them into retirement. Fuck it basically happened to Tyson, look at his last few matches. He wasnt out of his prime when compared to modern boxers, but he definitely wasnt boxing at his sustained level any more.
Well it turns out that as of now, Ippo is a second for the gym, because the coach is in the hospital. So my thoughts are that with being a second and seeing how everyone of his gym mates are improving, and seeing how miserable Ippo is not being in the ring, maybe Kumi will tell him to go back, etc.
It just sucks that Ippo's rivals are all progressing while him on the other hand hit rock bottom. I still believe he will make a comeback but please make it fast and not wait for 10 years to do it. People have been waiting for an Ippo vs Miyata fight for a very long time so please Morikawa sensei make it happen before you hit the bucket.
I think that Ippo has to come back to the ring. I feel like Kumi will be what brings him back honestly. Maybe she will notice that he just isn't the same as he was and she will realize how much boxing means to him and make him step back in. She wants the man she loves not a shell of the man she loves and there are other explanations for his poor performance that medically make sense. Either way he can step back into the ring and then maybe he will finally be back to his old self or hopefully better.
The most irritating part of this loss is that it was to nobody. If he lost to the champ, sure. But he fought a taxi driver and lost, and we never got to see the new dempsey. The series is over now without Ippo even getting to try his new technique. I don't think it was intended this way, I just think morikawa is too old and sick at this point to continue so he had to wrap it up
I mean, to be fair, Ippo’s not even punch drunk. He simply gave up on boxing before it became a huge possibility. It was his decision, so that’s at least out of the question.
I truthfully like where this is going and what direction this is going for the manga. In any given sport both parties have trained hard excelled beyond their limits but things like luck do factor in any match and what happened to ippo is no exception. Before anything else, yes, i really would wanted for ippo to have that grandeur comeback but this feels more natural in a a sport where you risk your life and mental faculties. Let us not forget that even ippos opponents had motivation as deep along with the efforts. Whats happening now is more of a flip side treatment and Im with it.
Honestly after what happened in the most recent translated chapters I do think Morikawa is setting up for the more traditional comeback where Ippo comes back to the the ring a changed man and accomplishes what he couldn't before, except here the story is giving it a lot more time to really build to that point. He previous loss isn't just something he can come back from. He needed this time out of the ring. Takamura said Ippo would need to become a monster to take on the world and with each chapter he is getting closer and closer to that point. So I definitely believe we will get our grand comeback eventually and I'm looking forward to seeing just how and when it happens.
@@jaketad939 After over 1200 chapters I think the fear was warranted. I don't think Morikawa ever would have retired him by choice, but he's been at this for awhile, so it was possible that maybe he just couldn't do it anymore for health reasons and had to come up with some way to end the series quickly while still feeling as though it fit within the universe he established. Thankfully that isn't what happened, but the chance was definitely there.
15 years I have followed the manga and was never disappointed, what happened with Ippo was natural. He retires with no regrets. The manga is titled the 1st step, there are so many options which are not limited to your 4. Give Ippo a chance, you will not be disappointed
What could those options be? The options given are with the goal in mind that Ippo returns to boxing. How can he return to boxing if one of those (or some variation of those) options does not occur. If Ippo is never going to return, the manga should have ended or become something else entirely. I have been reading this manga since '95. 25 years. I did stop after the Alfredo loss because I knew how long it would take to get back on track....it never got back on track. I just caught up to the retirement and its a shame.
You explained why it was awesome, I don't think giving up is the right conclusion from all that-but I could see why you'd need a break, or an indication of how much longer. I'm on the edge of my seat however, I didn't see this coming and it is amazing
I think it may be possible for Kamegawa’s eventual death would make ippo be inclined to continue his boxing career and like the old man wanted, to beat Miyata, I feel as if that would end the story perfectly
Man when Ippo lost his second fight I thought of one thing. This manga may surprise by not going in the common path of the protagonist been the victorious winner. As said Hajime no Ippo is much more realist than other mangas, and one truth in reality is sometimes the guy who had a outstand carrier get hurt and it's done for good. There always a boxers who is really good, but had something broke in middle of his carrier and don't manage to get the belt. This is the reality of life and the manga could make it that way. Ippo made it far, but it is the end... THe manga is still going on, maybe it will surprise me, so i keep reading, but the perfect end would be Ippo with his "leaves of memories".
The manga has nothing realistic, you're talking about a manga with realistic humans in a realistic universe, not super saiyans, but where the main characters got beaten during rounds, can barely see but still win by KO just because of their will power, all of that while weighting 57kg and thus not really having KO power. So yeah "realistic" scenarios from non realistic fights, if you wanted a more mature story you should begin with realistic fights
Dude same tbh I started reading the manga after the final episode of the anime ended. After 2 years this video came out he is still retired. The manga is still good but come on man i know it’s suppose to be realistic but I’m here to see him become world champion. During the new arc it’s been teases countless times that he has improved and a different man then he was when he lost his last match. It’s not even teasing me or getting me excited it’s pissing me off for the past 200 something chapters it’s been about Ippo finding himself and wut he loves. I know things like this takes time but god damn I’m fired of waiting when this manga came out mike Tyson was still undefeated. And the last time Ippo had won a match was fuckin almost 8 years ago.
I once said Sendo is probably stronger than Ippo and so many fanboys gave me shit about it lol. Yet Alfredo slept Ippo but Sendo knocked his ass out with a broken hand.
the WORST thing about this series is how DRAGGED out things can get, they just kept stringing us a long w the ippo vs myata fight for SO long it just got tiresome ippo is a stagnant enough series with TINY progession points in its run.
Well i for one think that ippo will come back into the ring either with a pupil or after a timeskip or a certain turn of events. But i for one love how the story is going it has me wondering how things will go
The Guivarra fight and subsequent retirement got me too. I freaking chucked the manga for a while after that. How stupid was that? You build up this invincible technique only to NOT let the Main Character use it successfully to win a fight? WTF is that??? I was done after that for a long time. But -- recently, Ippo has been enticed into making a comeback after 2-3 years of inactivity. He has not changed as a person and is going to return to find out what he is missing. There is a new Girlfriend that I believe will become his wife for sure -- to balance out the negative effects of Kumi. Also -- The whole boxing world in his division still wants Ippo to return badly, despite the fact he's only a corner man now. What Nobody else gets is the Author's true intent here. He is setting up Ippo to be a successful version of Eji Date. Eji Date retired at 23 after a devastating loss to Richardo on the world stage. Ippo Retires at 23 after a couple of losses to world rankers Date makes a comeback at age 26 to take back the national title and then goes on to fight Richardo again. Ippo is now 25.....His comeback after he trains will happen also at 26 yrs old. Date married his wife in the interval and had a second son. Ippo will have a new girlfriend that wants to continue his career by that time too. Ippo is trying to become a new person and know what strength is -- Aikawa will be the means by which he changes. Date was returning to recover the person he used to be -- but lost in Mexico when he got KO'ed by Richardo.
@@SolidusYT if you're looking for the continuation of season 3. Start picking it up around chapter 550. For the current stuff, look at chapter 1264 and Beyond. Everything from 1200 through that point is kind of useless. Currently in the storyline ippo is being pressured to return to the ring. I feel it's going to be the same as the Date story.
"Option Five, a little something I like to call 'The Real Life' - Ippo returns and selectively fights only journeymen and cans, increasingly reliant solely on his power giving him 'a puncher's chance' at victory, and his chin gradually erodes in sync with his Win/Loss ratio."
In real life the only cure for punch drunk brain damage is TMS (Transcranial magnetic stimulation) but TMS was an super experimental, not to mention expensive, treatment in the 90’s. Even today you need have big $$$ to get TMS
Ippo could've turn out way worse than Hayami Ryuichi if he continued boxing. This small symbolism says a lot. Mayorski could explain Ippo's situation better about his path of internal strength which the author was brave to tell this side of the story.
Honestly I was pretty hyped right now for hajime no ippo. They are teasing his comeback and that he became way stronger. His power shocks the coach and leaves the rest speechless. He becoming the monster takamura told him to be. Man I wanna see what happens if he ever gets back in the ring
The only loss that was truly a good loss was the date match, matter of fact, I am glad date beat him. It was such a big step for ippo as a character and it lead to date making it to the world stage. I will maybe let Gonzalez slide if you wanna say that. But god, I don't think ippo could of a had a worse loss than the one that did him in, literally should of been anyone else.
big gummy bad argument, cuz ashita no joe takes place a long long time ago, when boxers really didint get protected like today, ippo is a boxing story without consecuences, ashita no joe is a a story about the characters. Thats why is better.
Damn I’m not even half way through and this is an amazing retelling of the story. The manga has been way too long for me to keep up with, and am constantly forgetting stuff because of all the other stuff I read/university. Hopefully this manga ends eventually😔
Greatest question as an anime fan for years. "Am I gonna be old enough to see the ending of Berserk,HunterXHunter and Hajime No Ippo?"
you mean HiatusXHiatus?
Detective Conan
@@r33bad That's a Cash Cow Franchise,Bro. They've been beating a Maggot Infested Horse for decades. Also, I Fucking Hate Shounens like One Piece, Sorry.
@@Akantore one piece is fun to but if that's how u feel ok .
We can't sub and click the bell. You, like it's creator, gave up Ippo. You're a traitors. Sorry...
Honestly I like the direction Morikawa is taking. He's always been dedicated as a writer to catching the feeling of boxing. What happened to Ippo is a harsh reality of boxing, look at Muhammed Ali.
Ali also came back after going to Prison to regain the World title lol Ippo never did anything like that
Timothy H. Did you seriously just fucking say that!!!!
Rockstar 1996 Agreed 💢
Timothy H. You do realize the manga isn't over yet right? You can't really say that til it's done
You all say it isn't over yet but, this is true as is my statement lol By the looks of things he's not boxing again for a very loooooong time. This arc is basic as hell.
All your points are valid. But. And hear me out here, it's working. This arc, from his retirement to current release, seems to be about his naivety, and his growth as a person, not as a boxer. As a boxer, he has changed, a whole lot. What you didn't mention is that he is still in essence the same person on the inside, and that person is basically a child.
Right now, his girlfriend is tearing herself up and losing the plot and he is going to have to learn how to understand someone else. Shes trapped because he is oppo, and he will keep his word, and he even believes it, but she can see the effect it has on him, the real effort hes putting in, and is lost in her own trap, unable to admit (yet) that shes made a mistake. He has started working at the gym, helping out his mates from the corner, and again he needs to grow up and learn to understand people and to acknowledge their flaws as a weakness instead of making excuses for them to be as successful as he wants to be. It's a real growth potential that he wasn't going to get while he was training. And working. And still training while hes working.
Which brings me to my last point
Ippo IS broken. He is a monster in the gym and on the track, and rightly so. But it's broken him. The coach has no idea that ippo is taking all that he can dish out, which is a very calculated and strategic regime of exercise, and piling hours a day of more and more training at extreme levels. And ippo thinks he needs to do this because he needs to prove himself, to make the coach happy.
The coach has no idea. Go back. Read all his after hours work. People know he pushes himself close to fights, but they have no idea that he never stops, ever. From extra runs in the mornings, to his i think two or three times going out for Road work while hes at the gym, to more roadwork on the way home, and an extra run after dinner. He runs for his high intensity roadwork more than twice the amount of anyone else at that gym. And that's not including any of the other things he does.
His body finally gave up on him is exactly what happened.
What has changed now is that he still does all that extra, only now he has had a decent rest from training, and what he does now is 'just' the extra.
He is now doing roughly the amount of work the coach believed him to be doing while he was actively boxing.
The coach comes back in the last chapter , and tests ippo by asking him to help him warm up. Ippo falls right back into their old routine, only now, as he warms up and the coach tells him to push it for a big finish, the coach cant keep up... the genius coach who knows this boxer better than anyone and can read him like a book, and still actively trains takamura, cant. keep. up.
But hes still ippo, and he wont break that promise. He wont even think to ask her to reconsider giving him permission, because he doesn't know how to communicate. A very long running theme in this manga has been of him taking in what people say, and internalizing it, and figuring out an answer that often isn't what people expected, and just somehow assuming that the other person just knows what hes thinking or what's going on, and that they know best. And they assume that because he doesn't ask questions, that he understood not only what they mean but why they said it.
Agreed. That's why i never give up with this shonen. Because i know Ippo will comeback in the ring. He simply need pass this line and grow up by stopping to be naive and kind with anyone. Like you know... When he finally snap out by the fault of his pupils by fighting outside of the ring. The face he made by bitch slapped the guy... That wasn't human at all... And i would like this face again, but this time. When he will finally be ready to face Ricardo Martinez in the world ring... I would like to see Ricardo scared the f out of Ippo. Like the time when Eiji scared Ricardo to death with his Heartbreak Shot. (Only in the anime and not in the manga.) I'd like to see Ricardo's face to be affraid against Makunouchi Ippo.
@@MidoseitoAkage are they still continuing the manga? If so what should I read? I stopped after his second loss with The Mexican who I forgot the name of
@@genises200 yes. The author has stated that the manga is just about halfway over. So videos like these are just hurting the story tbh
Holy shit you really just wrote a whole essay about an anime series.
@@jaimejordan2013 its not an anime anymore. Just a manga
Sports is not something easy that main character powers will work. Well that is how real life sports work. Do you know derrick rose? His story is completely messed up. Hajime no ippo is just making us realize that life is not easy you will lose and lose it is your choice to come back and wim
@Golden Castle the amateurs he's had a few, the difference is how much someone learns with each win/defeat. No one is ever completely undefeated, he was undefeated when it really mattered the most.
The difference is that this is a fictional manga that in most cases, pretty well every case it ends in a rewarding way. I have been reading this for over a decade, and this is the shit he pulls? tsk tsk. I agreed with this guy and absolutely stopped reading the same time as he did. This isn't real life. If I wanted to watch real life sports I would. Oh well that's my opinion. I hope all of you still find joy in this manga!!!
@Advocate Paradox preach.
@Shamile ALI no man will ever beat a bear
Advocate preaching.
Is it me or is almost every comment a FREAKING PARAGRAPH!
Bruh same
Lmao I notice once u say it
Everyone thinks they an analyst now
Are peoples brains that fried to the point where they cant read a paragraph anymore? Did you even finish reading this comment?!!?
ippo's having 2nd thoughts atm..all through out the series ippo didn't develop the mentality to cross that line where monsters reside like takamura said.focused too much on his dempsey that he forgot to see the forest not just the tree, there are references of these shown in the recent manga where he look up the stars.maybe the desperation and realization of his 3rd defeat will unleash the monster that is currently developing inside him (he's still wearing those weights, manage to draw straight lines whilst wearing it to the shock of umezawa). as frustrating as the 3rd loss is, im not gonna walk out on this not when its only the 4th quarter and the clock still isnt zero :)
Well said! I've been reading for 11 years now and im gonna see this through!
Yeah thats right!
We just need a season 4 to revive this manga
What're you talking about? The manga is still going strong, chapter 1262 came out two days ago. :P
Chapter one thousand two hundred and sixty two ??? Holy fucking shit !!!!
@@NatyaVTwhere do I start? I stopped after Ippo loss for the 3rd time with that one Mexican who name escapes me
BRYAN G same im tryna start up again
Yeah I want to see itagaki vs Imai animated man
Allow me to shed the light on why Ippo lost. When Takamura drew the line that Ippo hasnt yet crossed, I knew what he needed to progress. The fight he lost was because he didnt cross the line, nothing else. The line, is the monstrous nature Takamura spoke of. The ability to give it all of your violence and monstrous nature to destroying your opponent. Re-read with this in mind and all of the characters dialogue and Ippos actions make scene. Even Sendo said that Ippos fight was over on account of the steam comming off Ippo, as Sendo has crossed this line as he showed in his previous fight, he had no idea Ippo would hold back or miss because he couldnt bring that much harm with his new weapons to another living person. Even all of Takamuras subtle hostility makes sense in this light. As he knew that Ippo was wasting his time. I predict based on the story outside of Ippo that Sendo will fall in his next fight or even lose his life, regardless this will reawaken Ippo and allow him to comit to crossing Takamuras line. Time will tell.
What Gorge Morikawa did is make Ippo human not a shonen protagonist
How?
This isn't my theory but I read it somewhere on a thread. A guy said he thinks maybe the couch will pass away, that will impact Takamura mentally and emotionally and eventually, he will lose and the act of losing would crush him since in his mind he was invincible and had never lost a fight. He then retires abruptly. Some time will pass and Takamura will end up talking Ippo into giving it another shot while also becoming his coach, Takamura being an actual boxing Genius will be able to guide Ippo in a different direction, to draw out some part of his abilities he never tapped in to.
Sam Barnes same here. And not just because coach died. It was because of takamura's left eye problem
the thing is, Morikawa is dragging the story too much. Idk if he's trying to be u predictable but damn this is a long ass road Ippo is taking on. What was the sense of the Baton Pass by Date if ippo is just gonna retire and lose the way he did against Guevarra. It doesnt make any sense but yeah i hope they make it up to us by doing smething drastic like kill the coach and force Ippo to come back better than ever
So stupid
its so sad :( ippo always sat on his couch every time but he has to abandon it for smoother couch he found on Walmart :(. sad dude
lol did you really believed that shit? morikawa will never leaked the story of his milk cow. Great lie,
I agree with your points. But I respect the author for giving me all the excitement for so many years, so I will read whatever the ending will be and be happy about it.
Edgar Louis Beley where can i read this?
Calm down, it's a comic O_o
Also, people may find enjoyment in things you do not. The Guevara fight and the current development of Ippo as a second is clearly meant to be divisive so I understand your hate, but personally I'm having a great time seeing Ippo in another light.
@Advocate Paradox Stop whining.
@Advocate Paradox fair.
Fuck u mean! Its like being excited To death then the girl let you on half way!!!
While I agree the pacing is terrible, I do not believe it is the fault of the writer. Hajime No Ippo isn't very popular in comparison to the recent explosion of other popular sports anime, and so it isn't released nearly as often. I also believe Hajime No Ippo is the perfect sports anime BECAUSE it's so unconventional. We expect it to follow Shonen logic, but I don't think it's a Shonen. In my eyes, it's strictly a sports anime/manga, and tells the stories of the world of boxing, which IS filled with heartbreaks and unsatisfying endings and upsets. Some of the best forms of media are ones with very negatively emotional endings. Even so, I don't believe that Ippo's story will end on a low note. The mangaka is a real life boxing manager and second who's seen every boxing story play out with his very eyes, and the fear and pressure of coming back, not letting down the coach, not letting down his peers, not letting down Takamura who warned him not to come back, not letting down Kumi and not letting down himself could have gotten to him, turning his fears of punch drunk into real symptoms. I think that'd be a very interesting and real direction for the plot to go.
I wholeheartedly agree! I have to say that giving HnI a satisfactory ending will be much, much harder now that it's gotten off the shonen stereotype, but the payoff will be amazing if Morikawa pulls that off. So far so good(~chap 1336)
Can anybody tell me where hajime no ippo season 3 ends for the manga I don’t know where to start cause there are a lot of chapters 😅
wish i would've know that before watching 55 episodes , this is shit compared to haikyuu and kuroko i dont need depresion in my life :)
iuli valeriu ippo is shit compared to those. Think you’ve got it revered bud
It's not as popular as other sports anime because it's not going anywhere. No one wants to watch the main protagonist gets beaten up for over 1000 chapters.
As Floyd Mayweather said "HBO needs to fire yo ass, ya don know shit about boxing"
have a bit of faith, morikawa wont let us down.
Herb Master he just did
This series will be 2k chapters
Hajime no Aoki
it's hajime no ippo guys let's believe that he'll make a comeback on the near future come on like his name is in the freakin title
Yeah that would be stupid
@@heksariusl8916 STFU dude, it's not your typical shounen plot armor shit like fairy tail nakama thing. It's a sports anime dude!
This is a good discussion.
I mean its sort of funny when people speak against the formula but when a shounen diverges from what is expected and 180s; it hits way too hard. Fans cannot accept it because they are invested into the positive themes of a shounen and as much as they speak cynically about it; the general consensus is obvious and is the correct themes to push. It is what one ultimately wants to see but they also hypocritically speak against it all the same. Then they attempt to justify by speaking vague reasoning like how it should've been told or paced better; not understanding that they themselves have no idea how that specifically could be done and is not the reason they feel so empty. Take out the semantics. It is because of the above. The themes and characters they have come and love took an unpredictable turn that went tragically opposite to its once noble, optimistic roots. A true tragedy is heart breaking. Anything less and it is just bittersweet. It means there is still hope or good to be found out of it.
In a way, if this is how it ends; Ippo is quite the tragedy. Its a tragic underdog story which is very rare to see. Ippo has always been about perseverance, determination, never giving up, the meaning of strength, hard work. That is how to get to the top. I've always complained about Ippo's style in just bulldozing his way through with disregard and taking headshots that looks like he was killed by them. How he has very little technique when it comes to dodging and just getting hammered to get in. His style is mike tyson but contrary to belief, mike was exceptionally fast for a heavyweight and weaves through many hits. Turns out the author went an unexpected route of realistic consequences from ippo's lack of technique and he came out punch drunk. That's very ballsy and goes against everything that the series has established thematically since its humble conception. It is empty, unsatisfying, and dead like a real tragedy is.
A bittersweet ending would be like if Deku, in his "madness" to the pursuit of the greatest heroic ideal (as nighteye points out) has taken him on a path of self destruction as it has been laid out; and he becomes crippled by the end. Having to relinquish the ability OFA to a successor for the next generation to maintain the pillar of peace once more. He becomes the greatest hero in his legacy alone while he himself retires from the world of heroes.
So because the author change mind we have to accept that ? I don't want to been push in my face a fuck you dumbass, because that's how the author reached me with this 180 turn. I got a HUGE FUCK YOU in my face !
bloodyclaws a good ass ending would be ippo dying with the world champion belt in his arms n similarly to ashita no Joe's ending
I agree with Bloody saying that this is tragic, and it does hit my heart 💓 is ways that would make this a good ending to a long journey. But this isn't the ending apparently. We are even being reintroduced to long passed characters like Shotgun style Hayami, who is literally just showing off to impress Ippo.
yeah and its very boring, I dont like how the serie is now, besides Takamura got completely forgotten now (he barely even appears) and I prefer if they focus on him more now that Ippo is a second
The positive is appreciated that much more when we have to go through negative
Can we please cut kimura and aoki some slack LMAO them dudes gotta get the belt before morikawa decides what to do with ippo
I think at least one of them should never get it, despite how cruel it seems, the point for their characters are to show that "not everyone who works hard gets rewarded" it's sad but it's a fact of life and I really like that morikawa isn't afraid to show us how difficult that can be.
@@Naniwa_Tiger facts brodie I always loved the duo aoki is the funniest but kimura is definitely my favorite of the two, as standard and base he believes himself to be he and aoki both have come such a long wayy since the anime cuz man the manga is just chefs kiss lol
Post retirement arc has been best Ippo has been in years.
I agree
This a victim of the Ippo retirement arc
While I understand your concerns with how ippo ise developing. This type of development is expected in real boxing. Seeing how the writer and artist use to be a second and coach in boxing I understand this route. Like you said Ippo is the average athelete, but the only thing stopping him is his mental fears. Seems like it might go into an Arturo Gatti route where after multiple losses he'll head into a boxing trilagy match with another average boxer. Watch Gatti vs Ward because I can see George using Ippo in that situation.
Looks like him too
Ippo is not an average athlete. He's an athletic monster. His punches are so strong takamura respects them. He's just dumb
takamura killed a bear with is bare hands, this is not real life. No one wants to watch the MC gets beaten for over 1000 chapters.
Option 5 : He was in a coma the whole time.
BananaLover115 ippos coma theory
Fuck that
Lol
I really hope so
Date accidentally comatosed him with the heartbreak shot
This is an interesting video and I enjoyed it. I can tell you, the retirement arc has been the best thing that could happen to the series. You should revisit it. I promise you won’t regret it
Hajime no ippo has inspired so many weebs to go out and be free, you cant just judge hajime no ippo purely on it being an anime, its motivational, he keeps getting up despite all odds. You would be surprised on how many people loved it and got up to workout, i get that maybe you just take it as a show to watch but for others and i its a inspiration to get up no matter what and work harder each time. Hell i became a boxer that did fairly well because of this anime, but later in life i had to get a good job to support myself. couldn’t quite get the world champion.. I think my record before i left was 21w and 14L and about 1 k.o lol
This anime almost had me rethinking my life choices. I am a med student by the way.
Ippo’s biggest issue was that he didn’t give himself any time to recuperate from his ridiculous training regime, and that broke him when it mattered most. I think part of his development as a character now will be learning his limits and knowing when he’s pushing himself too far. He needs to slowly build himself up over time, going full steam ahead is no longer working.
He’ll come back, this isn’t his first loss.
That's sad to hear that Hajime no Ippo is on such a decline. Big fan of the show since over 10 years ago. I've always wondered why the series felt like it was dragging on for so long and always found an excuse to never match the rivals together because they wanted the show to go on for as long as possible (as if Miyata would be the final chapter). To see it end like this, with no climax, is the real liver shot to land in this series.
No Ippo world champ, no Ippo vs Miyata, no Takamura conquering six weight clases, no aokimura being japan's chapion for at least five fights
Heyyy Jude shitty ass ending. Probably the worst in all anime to me.
its not done yet, the manga continues to run.
yall over reacting like hell. ippo aint crossed the line yet to become a monster. it aint over yet.
No decline, just a different way for the story to go, a lot of stories are happy, but boxing is something where the stories that are happy usually have a similar amount of darkness to them, boxing isn't a happy story, its always been one of struggle, and father time is undefeated
Although I agree with your feelings and opinions for Ippo, I am still waiting for him to "cross the line" one day. Funny to say I grew up with this series and it was shocking when he went down with the punch drunk. I hope I live long enough to see where this will go..
It's been 3 fucking years dude it's getting kinda dull to see this loser pass the line.
Still waiting
Ricardo martinez isnt the strongest boxer in the mange. Hes the strongest in ippos weightclass. Takamura is probably the strongest boxer in the manga
but ippo still weak
pfp Martinez is the GOAT but Takamura is obviously stronger cause he's 3-4 weight classes above lmao
Martinez is the strongest pound for pound in the manga
@Adrian Veidt that is simply because Ricardo is so skilled he has no competition can't be comparing takamura and Ricardo they are two different type of dominant fighters
@@Muhiima2005 and thats why I say Martinez is the stronger pound for pound. Eventually Martinez gonna lost in the final arc. Takamura is taking a hard time everytime now. Maybe both will end losing :( We'll never know who's stronger
I think he will retire and later eather find out its not seriois damage or lern to deal with it but since he did promise Kumi he still retires. He goes on with his life but it doesnt feel right and hes depresed so Kumi tells him to try again bit dont get hurt or something so he listens to her and trains,and comes back as the underdog again.
TLDR: Something like Date Eiji
I think it can be interesting if the author realy steps up and realy shows how ippos mental state is and makes the reader care.
Sry for any spelling mistakes :)
Morikwa shows as what the reality of boxing is and that its not just a physical game but also mental. We have seen date return after a long retirement so Ippo will surely come back too. In my opinion this is the best course that the story could have taken. And also what do you mean we are hear for Ippo. Ippo is like my 10th favorite character in the series I am also very excited about the story of many other characters. If I wanted to read about someone that cant be defeated I would go read the other ten million manga's out there.
10th favorite character yet most of the screen time, isn't that problematic ? It'd be like watching football just to see goalkeepers' hand plays
Man I hate to tip the balance of likes-dislikes to negative, and I understand your frustration. But your idea that 1. watching Ippo train someone else would be boring is pretty flawed considering that Hajime no Ippo has NEVER been about just Ippo. Not from the first chapters. Some of the best arcs of the show and manga are sometimes entirely unrelated from Ippo's next fight, and checking out on the end of the story because a chunk of it isn't about Ippo himself boxing feels kind of disingenuous. 2. Ippo and Kumi CAN ABSOLUTELY resolve their subplot in an emotionally gratifying way. Sometimes the desires of people who love each other come into conflict and if (when) Ippo decides to box again I would LOVE to see what happens because that would only be bad story telling if someone actually did something strictly out of character that isn't justified through growth. And I know that this is kind of through the gift of hindsight, but I'm VERY satisfied with three explanation for why Ippo's boxing suffered. Why? Because it happened to me. I was always a good wrestler but I actually came back from knee surgery better than ever because I took a prolonged break where I analyzed my approach mentally but focused on physical recovery. And that's the true beauty of Hajime no Ippo, not that it's realistic or emotional but that *it's realistic to the emotions in the struggle for combat athlete glory and living life in general*. You win. You lose. Sometimes you lose so badly you feel like you have to quit. But if you keep moving forward in some way, no matter how small, things will put themselves together in front of you. I'm glad Ippo quit, and I'm beyond excited to see him KILL when he gets back in the ring.
A big mistake for giving up on the anime
I agree
Alfredo and ricardo are number 1 and 2 in the featherweight class not in the series
@FRANK_BLOCK_SAVAGE #HBK what about takamura then? They are just different weight classes, you can't say they are the strongest
@FRANK_BLOCK_SAVAGE #HBK I think the author said that Takamura is the strongest "the ideal boxer" is what he represents... Takamura stands above everyone else :P
What about the Guevara fight?
To be honest, it was like a clash between the build up of ippo winning the comeback match and going forward and the build up of ippo being punch drunk and retiring once and for all. It could've gone both ways but oh well.
The manga is only halfway over. Morikawa says so himself
You know there is another option. What if kumi realizes that ippo misses boxing after retiring. At this point he does not actually have brain damaged but maybe has another sort of fixable condition. Kumi allows ippo to continue boxing even after his promise . This is just a scenario
If anybody stop reading Hajime no Ippo because of these video, you might want to resume reading it. Something interesting going to happend. Maybe it will be fun to read after 6 months from now on.
Is it more exciting now
@@patronofviolenceanddebauch5031 nope. Its kind of boring. 😅
@@metalbasher820 thanks
Is it exciting yet lol
@@justajobro1266 nah. The art style change & somehow i felt distant to the manga. I only read till Sendo fought at Mexico but i doubt Ippo already return to the ring. Maybe i will re-read the manga on next year
Here is my two cents, it’s a little lengthy but hear me out
We have to remember that Ashita No Joe was a big inspiration for the creation of Hajime no Ippo and Joe also had a punch drunk arc in it. Although Joe’s was never fixed and led to his death. With that said, I feel this arc is what the whole series has been building to. I feel like the inspiration from Ashita no Joe was “What would have happened if Joe wasn’t punch drunk” and for that reason I feel that Ippo WILL return to the ring. I do not think for a second that Ippo is actually punch drunk.
I think that this whole thing will be explained in the manga as Ippo was so fixated on his previous loses, so fixated on his promise to Kumi, so fixated on showing his coach that Ippo wasn’t wasting his time all while trying to convince himself and everyone else that he isn’t punch drunk that he overcomplicated everything. His mind was so clouded with everything else that he couldn’t focus clearly. Another big factor is Miyata. Before all of this he had just found out that he would never fight Miyata, which has been his goal throughout the entire series. So I believe that at some point before the fight he had already come to terms with it being his last fight. Sure they could fight on a world stage, but would the end justify the means? Would it be worth his health and his relationship with Kumi? For this reason I believe he is not punch drunk, I believe strongly that he went into that match with one goal...to land the improved Dempsey roll and show everyone what he had accomplished and then retire regardless of if he won or not. The loss itself just solidified his decision of retirement, because of his promise.
This would explain why all these problems and all this drama was wrote into the story before this point. It was for Ippo to have a self-reflection arc. As well as a time for the side characters to take the fore-front for a while, because we also have to remember that Hajime no Ippo isn’t all about Ippo. I’m sure writing a story where EVERY fighter has a dream was becoming quite strenuous. I’m sure that the end game of Hajime no Ippo requires a few certain fighters to be on the world stage with Ippo and that this Punch Drunk arc doubled as a excuse for the rest of the cast to get to where they need to be for the actual final part of Ippo to commence. When the stage is set, Ippo will snap out of this and fight again. It’s obvious because of how much he is still training, how much he regrets his decision, and how far his rivals are coming while he is reflecting on himself. We just gotta power through this for a little while longer, because the best of Ippo has still been yet to be seen
Imagine dissing one of the best character arcs in shonen because oh the dreams of the mc were crushed keep crying your the one who will miss one of the greatest of conclusions ever made
It not about dream of mc
It's about his promise to his coach
There are other options than just options 1-4 though.
Why should he have to be with Kumi if she lacks character development to let him box again.
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It’s not that she lacks character development it’s that she doesn’t want him to box.
Kumi has opinions on her own and it takes TWO to compromise. She shouldn’t just agree to everything he does with no question if kumi is giving apart of something she doesn’t like which is letting him talk and do stuff about boxing now even though she doesn’t want to ippo has to give apart of himself.
Meaning he can’t box anymore. If he breaks his promise and boxes again than kumi needs someone who will treat her better
This is why Limura Mari is considered the Yoko of the Hajime no Ippo series. While Kumi is the Noriko of the series. If you've seen Ashita no Joe then you know what I mean.
@@firionkaiser8291 Joe died at the end
@@pizzaparker8906 That's left up to your interpretation. It's meant to be so the viewer can decide whether he died or lived. Like how thr creator himself said that he didn't kill Joe, as the ending scene is supposed to represent him facing tomorrow. However it's all up to the viewer to decide.
@@firionkaiser8291 I mean I guess
This is what all world contenders should do after a loss realistically. Take a break to physically, mentally, and emotionally recover. Some people need more time to unlearn what failed them and most never really fix their mistakes, just work around them. At this point its about what ippo truly wants and if he's going to fight for it.
If there's one thing I don't like about the series, it's Ippo's air of invincibility. There are so many occasions during Ippo's matches where he gets absolutely obliterated and the fight should clearly go to the opponent, but through sheer plot convenient willpower hes granted a chin made out of fucking iron whenever he thinks of his friends before getting knocked out and then suddenly the opponent who was running circles around him is suddenly just as exhausted as he is.
I still call bullshit on the Woli fight to name just one.
Ippo wins far too many times in the series, the only opponents he loses against are those that Ippo just couldn't logically beat, and even then, it took some effort from Alfredo to beat him. I'm starting to root for the guys Ippo and Takamura fight against just to see them lose for once. Conversely, I root for Kimura and Aoki because they actually feel like grounded characters who deserve to win.
Also the characters seem to suffer a bit of flanderization as the series progresses. Takamura becomes an arrogant but outlandish and likeable douchebag to a completely unbearable prick whilst Aoki turns from a goofy-but funny and relatable side character into a pathetic joke.
I have to agree on your opinion in the video. In my humble opinion, the direction of Ippo taking right now while he is recovering from his 3rd lost is right. I think what Morikawa should do is take the time in terms of writing the story and fix the overall pacing of the whole manga series. Moreover, I think Morikawa should explore more in Ippo character by exploring the mental side of boxing and from there, he should build Ippo from the ground up.
The current story arc is the best its been in a while...I disagree with everything said here. Ippo is decades old at this point. It ain't ending any time soon
I'm not gonna lie, Ippo as a second is extremely fascinating, I rlly hope you picked it back up 'cus honestly a lot of my favorite parts of the manga are post-retirement
This was very sad for me... because i ve not read the manga yet... this was very sad... because i always felt very connected to the anime... *but truthfully, the truth is that almost all boxers end up like this....
Just sounds like good writing to me. You need to smoke more brethren
this manga should be re name to Takamura. Thats itl
Hajime no Sendo
Shit this was two years ago and the manga is hype as fuck. Lets go SEN- N- DO
Like that boxer said to ippo in the beginning .... A Boxing match is unpredicting. Damn to lose to someone that was just like him, Shit he could of even lost to sendo. But if they end it here its still a really good anime, plus it shows you the real ups and downs of boxing, How Heart and Determination Can get you far, but Natural Born Talent and Experience can get you further
Option 7: request to morikawa make manny pacquiao to go on series to fight guevara
1) Actually, healing brain damage isn't that bullshit. It's kinda the same in reality, but in the manga it's clear that "symptoms and recovery" of being drunk punch is completely dependant of the person. It wouldn't be that weird if IPPO has like temporal brain damage, or something of a kind
2) And about ippo-kumi promise ? I think that's very cool to have something a bit different between these two, maybe confrontation, i don't know. I mean, they arent very far in their relationship.
Everyone entitled to their own opinion; although this is for me the most "humane" sports manga adaption. His "wrong" decision completes totally with his personality; what is to happen after is to happen. Even he might be the main character, I never felt when reading or watching its just about "1 guy trying to make it".
Don't know if you'll see this comment, they sent to be going the "find the boxer that will fulfill his dreams and train him" route which honestly disappoints me so hard, for the series to be at this point honestly breaks my heart. I read through it and it was always my motivation to do physical activity and box and now it just seems wrong. I'm hoping that Ippo gets back in the ring for two more fights
This is coming from some one whos obviously never been in the ring. Hajime No Ippo is written to be a semi realistic take on boxing, at least as realistic as it can be in anime. His last defeat is something that has happened to many professional fighters. He hit something in the middle of a match that he never experienced. He got thrown hard and fell back onto muscle memory instead of thinking and strategizing. He stopped boxing and started trying to survive and became frustrated when he got blocked and countered at every turn, when his body wouldnt do what he wanted it to do. That last match became a desperation bout; theres no room for thinking at that point. The coach, your friends, your promises none of that matters, why? Because they arent the ones in the ring flailing around and getting pummeled. Its just you and the guy beating the piss out of you. You lose confidence, you lose strategy and you lose the match 9 times outta 10. Its something that breaks alot of fighters and pushed them into retirement. Fuck it basically happened to Tyson, look at his last few matches. He wasnt out of his prime when compared to modern boxers, but he definitely wasnt boxing at his sustained level any more.
Would him being a second for kimura change your mind? jw
ippo literally caried limura and aoki into winning more
Well it turns out that as of now, Ippo is a second for the gym, because the coach is in the hospital. So my thoughts are that with being a second and seeing how everyone of his gym mates are improving, and seeing how miserable Ippo is not being in the ring, maybe Kumi will tell him to go back, etc.
It just sucks that Ippo's rivals are all progressing while him on the other hand hit rock bottom. I still believe he will make a comeback but please make it fast and not wait for 10 years to do it. People have been waiting for an Ippo vs Miyata fight for a very long time so please Morikawa sensei make it happen before you hit the bucket.
Tbf ippo absolutley fuckin dominates a lot of his matches.
The korean dude
His second opponent with the headbutts
Yusuke oda
Kojima
Yeah Karasawa too
I think that Ippo has to come back to the ring. I feel like Kumi will be what brings him back honestly. Maybe she will notice that he just isn't the same as he was and she will realize how much boxing means to him and make him step back in. She wants the man she loves not a shell of the man she loves and there are other explanations for his poor performance that medically make sense. Either way he can step back into the ring and then maybe he will finally be back to his old self or hopefully better.
Damn if this become true, this arc will be the same like date eijii's comeback
ippo record
wins:24
lost:3
current: japan feather weight champion
so dont give up it is the firat step how to be the 8 time world champion like pacman
Yeah man, the win and lost ratio for Ippo ain't bad at all
Correction - current: "former" japan feather weight champ - actively not even a boxer
The most irritating part of this loss is that it was to nobody. If he lost to the champ, sure. But he fought a taxi driver and lost, and we never got to see the new dempsey. The series is over now without Ippo even getting to try his new technique.
I don't think it was intended this way, I just think morikawa is too old and sick at this point to continue so he had to wrap it up
the series is over now? it's still going on
I mean, to be fair, Ippo’s not even punch drunk. He simply gave up on boxing before it became a huge possibility. It was his decision, so that’s at least out of the question.
I truthfully like where this is going and what direction this is going for the manga. In any given sport both parties have trained hard excelled beyond their limits but things like luck do factor in any match and what happened to ippo is no exception. Before anything else, yes, i really would wanted for ippo to have that grandeur comeback but this feels more natural in a a sport where you risk your life and mental faculties. Let us not forget that even ippos opponents had motivation as deep along with the efforts. Whats happening now is more of a flip side treatment and Im with it.
Yea i also like where this is going. I would love if Ippo becomes a trainer tbh.
Honestly after what happened in the most recent translated chapters I do think Morikawa is setting up for the more traditional comeback where Ippo comes back to the the ring a changed man and accomplishes what he couldn't before, except here the story is giving it a lot more time to really build to that point. He previous loss isn't just something he can come back from. He needed this time out of the ring. Takamura said Ippo would need to become a monster to take on the world and with each chapter he is getting closer and closer to that point. So I definitely believe we will get our grand comeback eventually and I'm looking forward to seeing just how and when it happens.
@@DevilHunter1994 He was always going to comeback. Morikawa would never retire him. People are so whiny in the comments man.
@@jaketad939 After over 1200 chapters I think the fear was warranted. I don't think Morikawa ever would have retired him by choice, but he's been at this for awhile, so it was possible that maybe he just couldn't do it anymore for health reasons and had to come up with some way to end the series quickly while still feeling as though it fit within the universe he established. Thankfully that isn't what happened, but the chance was definitely there.
@@DevilHunter1994 I see. For me i never believed it from the start. After 1200 chapters i didn't believe Morikawa would of ended it.
15 years I have followed the manga and was never disappointed, what happened with Ippo was natural. He retires with no regrets. The manga is titled the 1st step, there are so many options which are not limited to your 4. Give Ippo a chance, you will not be disappointed
What could those options be? The options given are with the goal in mind that Ippo returns to boxing. How can he return to boxing if one of those (or some variation of those) options does not occur. If Ippo is never going to return, the manga should have ended or become something else entirely. I have been reading this manga since '95. 25 years. I did stop after the Alfredo loss because I knew how long it would take to get back on track....it never got back on track. I just caught up to the retirement and its a shame.
Season 4 is a must for us who waited for many years when it will be released!!!
I’m not here for ippo exclusively per se. But you’re not seeing what the author is doing. In real fighting you need time off between KOs.
You explained why it was awesome, I don't think giving up is the right conclusion from all that-but I could see why you'd need a break, or an indication of how much longer. I'm on the edge of my seat however, I didn't see this coming and it is amazing
I think it may be possible for Kamegawa’s eventual death would make ippo be inclined to continue his boxing career and like the old man wanted, to beat Miyata, I feel as if that would end the story perfectly
Ippo probably getting a Dante treatment
Otherwise known as, why I dropped this manga, at least until I pick it up again.
Ippo used to be my fav anime until I watched Ashita no joe😂
Ironic name. But Megalo boxing though
Brandon Teneyuca Megalo Box is one of my new fav anime, but it isn’t as good as Ashita no joe not by a long shot
ashita no joe story was a masterpiece
Joe is just too good for any sports series to compare
Is ashita no joe really that good ? I’m currently reading the hajime no ippo manga so I’m wondering 🤔
Man when Ippo lost his second fight I thought of one thing. This manga may surprise by not going in the common path of the protagonist been the victorious winner.
As said Hajime no Ippo is much more realist than other mangas, and one truth in reality is sometimes the guy who had a outstand carrier get hurt and it's done for good. There always a boxers who is really good, but had something broke in middle of his carrier and don't manage to get the belt.
This is the reality of life and the manga could make it that way. Ippo made it far, but it is the end...
THe manga is still going on, maybe it will surprise me, so i keep reading, but the perfect end would be Ippo with his "leaves of memories".
The manga has nothing realistic, you're talking about a manga with realistic humans in a realistic universe, not super saiyans, but where the main characters got beaten during rounds, can barely see but still win by KO just because of their will power, all of that while weighting 57kg and thus not really having KO power.
So yeah "realistic" scenarios from non realistic fights, if you wanted a more mature story you should begin with realistic fights
I just don't like it that ippo retired I would have liked to at least have him become world champion at least once
The rocky option it is.
its pretty stupid that you gave up ippo is fucking awesome
Spoken like a true person who don’t understand life and how a fighters life is most likely to go
Miyata vs Ippo isn’t even that hype tbh. Miyata and RBJ are better rivals for each other like Ippo and Sendo are better for each other.
Yoshikage Kira I have to disagree ever since the Rookie tournament we were looking forward to Ippo v. Miyata 3
This is just like the future trunks arc in dbs, the story was great, but the ending was absolutely horrible
It hasn't even ended yet
And your comparing because what?
It’s not over
Dude same tbh I started reading the manga after the final episode of the anime ended. After 2 years this video came out he is still retired. The manga is still good but come on man i know it’s suppose to be realistic but I’m here to see him become world champion. During the new arc it’s been teases countless times that he has improved and a different man then he was when he lost his last match. It’s not even teasing me or getting me excited it’s pissing me off for the past 200 something chapters it’s been about Ippo finding himself and wut he loves. I know things like this takes time but god damn I’m fired of waiting when this manga came out mike Tyson was still undefeated. And the last time Ippo had won a match was fuckin almost 8 years ago.
now thats what makes ippo the main character, he is very talented and hes growing fast, thats the plot, congrats if you just found out!
I once said Sendo is probably stronger than Ippo and so many fanboys gave me shit about it lol. Yet Alfredo slept Ippo but Sendo knocked his ass out with a broken hand.
sendo also lost to volg who ippo beat, whats your point?
the WORST thing about this series is how DRAGGED out things can get, they just kept stringing us a long w the ippo vs myata fight for SO long it just got tiresome
ippo is a stagnant enough series with TINY progession points in its run.
Me too bro I'm very disappointed of how ippo's career ended.....
The manga is only half over
It’s been almost 6 years now , there won’t be any come back from Ippo.
Ashita no Ippo :(
At least Joe had the chance to give the champion the beating of his life
Well i for one think that ippo will come back into the ring either with a pupil or after a timeskip or a certain turn of events. But i for one love how the story is going it has me wondering how things will go
The Guivarra fight and subsequent retirement got me too. I freaking chucked the manga for a while after that. How stupid was that? You build up this invincible technique only to NOT let the Main Character use it successfully to win a fight? WTF is that??? I was done after that for a long time.
But -- recently, Ippo has been enticed into making a comeback after 2-3 years of inactivity. He has not changed as a person and is going to return to find out what he is missing. There is a new Girlfriend that I believe will become his wife for sure -- to balance out the negative effects of Kumi.
Also -- The whole boxing world in his division still wants Ippo to return badly, despite the fact he's only a corner man now.
What Nobody else gets is the Author's true intent here. He is setting up Ippo to be a successful version of Eji Date.
Eji Date retired at 23 after a devastating loss to Richardo on the world stage.
Ippo Retires at 23 after a couple of losses to world rankers
Date makes a comeback at age 26 to take back the national title and then goes on to fight Richardo again.
Ippo is now 25.....His comeback after he trains will happen also at 26 yrs old.
Date married his wife in the interval and had a second son. Ippo will have a new girlfriend that wants to continue his career by that time too.
Ippo is trying to become a new person and know what strength is -- Aikawa will be the means by which he changes.
Date was returning to recover the person he used to be -- but lost in Mexico when he got KO'ed by Richardo.
i jus finished watching season 3 of the anime but i want to continue tuning in the series which chapter in the manga is after season 3?
@@SolidusYT if you're looking for the continuation of season 3. Start picking it up around chapter 550. For the current stuff, look at chapter 1264 and Beyond. Everything from 1200 through that point is kind of useless. Currently in the storyline ippo is being pressured to return to the ring. I feel it's going to be the same as the Date story.
"Option Five, a little something I like to call 'The Real Life' - Ippo returns and selectively fights only journeymen and cans, increasingly reliant solely on his power giving him 'a puncher's chance' at victory, and his chin gradually erodes in sync with his Win/Loss ratio."
We all know ippo is going to be world champ one day ...
Isn't he a broken fighter now?
In real life the only cure for punch drunk brain damage is TMS (Transcranial magnetic stimulation) but TMS was an super experimental, not to mention expensive, treatment in the 90’s.
Even today you need have big $$$ to get TMS
ippo is not punch drunk, he was near as explained in the manga
Ippo could've turn out way worse than Hayami Ryuichi if he continued boxing. This small symbolism says a lot. Mayorski could explain Ippo's situation better about his path of internal strength which the author was brave to tell this side of the story.
Honestly I was pretty hyped right now for hajime no ippo. They are teasing his comeback and that he became way stronger. His power shocks the coach and leaves the rest speechless. He becoming the monster takamura told him to be. Man I wanna see what happens if he ever gets back in the ring
Bruh he's gonna come back watch the manga again
But then we get Ippo vs Volg... and we see, we see it man, we see it!
The only loss that was truly a good loss was the date match, matter of fact, I am glad date beat him. It was such a big step for ippo as a character and it lead to date making it to the world stage. I will maybe let Gonzalez slide if you wanna say that. But god, I don't think ippo could of a had a worse loss than the one that did him in, literally should of been anyone else.
The God wind lives. -Sendo
Bro somehow convinced me to reread and catch up to hajime no ippo...LMAOO
I see ippo as rungvisai who had 3 losses and defeated an undefeated champion p4p champion Gonzalez, so ippo will definitely defeat Martinez..
Leonardo Davao maybe but the creater is really sick and i.dont think he will continue drawing
in manga, ippo lose to Alfredo Gonzales by KO...
In my opinion the best shonen boxing anime will always be Ashita no Joe its a masterpiece
let's hope that Megalobox turns out to be a good AnJ spin off
Ashita no joe is the best sports anime ever, no contest.
Ashita no Joe is no shonen, lmao.
Hajime no ippo is still better in my opinion. In ashita, it doesn't make sense why joes coach let him fight with severe injuries for a stupid belt.
big gummy bad argument, cuz ashita no joe takes place a long long time ago, when boxers really didint get protected like today, ippo is a boxing story without consecuences, ashita no joe is a a story about the characters. Thats why is better.
Damn I’m not even half way through and this is an amazing retelling of the story.
The manga has been way too long for me to keep up with, and am constantly forgetting stuff because of all the other stuff I read/university. Hopefully this manga ends eventually😔
I'll come back here when ippo becomes the world champion of the WBA (y)