Staining a Maple Guitar Neck - Satin Finish
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- Опубликовано: 24 ноя 2020
- Hello people! thanks for tuning in to my channel. If you like this color stain the recipe is 30 drops of vintage amber and 12 drops of Kalamazoo mahogany in 1 tablespoon of denatured alcohol . Mixed in this ratio of ColorTone liquid stains I found a mixture that looks beautiful on this Indonesian Squier Bullet Telecaster. This would work great on other guitars too but keep in mind this technique produces a satin / matte finish, not a high gloss finish. This particular maple neck did not require much sanding as they only use a light sealer coat at the factory. For the fretboard I did a really light sanding, with the grain, in between the frets with 400 - 600 grit paper. I wrap the sandpaper around these sanding sticks for more control and to avoid the hitting the frets:
www.stewmac.com/luthier-tools...
For the fret polishing, I worked my way through 320, 400, 600, 800, 1,000 - 1,500 & 2K grit sandpaper and then 0000 steel wool.
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Not knocking your method at all, but I achieved a very similar coloration using a folded paper towel applicator and brown Kiwi shoe polish. Wipe it on and wipe it off. Doesn't matter how long you leave it on, it comes off the same color instantly or after an hour. You might think Tan color might work better but it doesn't. It leaves a pinkish hue. Dark brown is the color you want. Once wiped off with another piece of paper towel, it doesn't stain your hands playing it either. An added benefit is that it even darkens more amber color over time and looks very natural. I've done this to every maple Fender neck I have, from Squire, to Mexican, to American. I mention it because it's an easy 5-minute job, with the hardest part being removing the hardware and putting it back on again. Satin finished necks come out slightly darker than gloss finished necks. Also works on white plastic pickguards to give more of a parchment look.
Do you sand the guitar before applying? How many times do you have to apply before getting the desire colour?
@@backandfour No sanding, well I didn't sand. Do as you see fit. I tried different things, like wiping it on and directly off vs. leaving it on for a while - Not much difference between the two. I tried more than one application vs. one single application - A slight darkening the second pass, but again not much. I didn't really want DARK, I was going for more of the amber coloring instead of the stark white of a new neck. That's exactly what I achieved. I figured if it didn't work for me, I could sand it and then lacquer over it, or it wouldn't do anything. That's why I tried it first on a Squire bass, tne a Mexican Strat. Then every other Fender guitar I owned (new and old).
I'm thinking of doing the Kiwi on my new Bullet Mustang. So to be clear you didn't sand, just wipe on brown shoe polish and wipe off? Do you think you could have done it without removing the tuners?
@@michaelacookePDX Yes, you can certainly do it without removing the hardware. I would still recommend removing it though, otherwise you may get an uneven result around the hardware by missing a spot. On another note, if you're uncertain if you want to do this or not, remove the neck completely and try it on the portion of the heel that contacts the body inside of the cavity. It has the same finish as the rest of the neck, so you can safely perform a test that can't be seen later if it's not what you like. I think I may have even tried that the first time I did it, but after about 5 seconds said to myself, "screw this I'm doing the whole thing". The result is subtle, and not a glaring transformation but it's enough that the difference is noticeable. That sounds contradictory, but what I mean is, the difference between the stark white maple neck and the tinted neck is enough to notice, but not so radical that it appears unnatural in the least. In my case(s) there was no blotchiness or streaking. Just a mild hue change in the right direction.
@@michaelacookePDXany update?
Just finishing up my Suire Strat neck, it's coming out great, thanks for the video!!🤘👍
Nice! I have a G&L ASAT Classic Tribute with a super light colored neck/fret board I want to yellow.
Back in the late 70'- early 80's my sister gave a 12oz aerosol can of a clear glaze made for her ceramics hobby. It was amazing! It sprayed on with a thin, visibly glossy appearance that didn't run or drip, and dried rock hard in an hour in the sun. Perfect for the maple fret board. I put on a second coat on the headstock and back for good measure. I played the guitar for years and it aged well. I liked it so much better than polyurethane.
Looks great. Well done!
This video was so helpful! Thank you!
Awesome! Exactly what I wanted to see to finish my neck. Thank you!
Me too me too
Hell yes. Can't wait to do this to my guitar!
Looks great, I'm gonna do this to my Squire Strat!
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Thank you so much for providing the community with this info and demo. You rule sir! My necks and head stock are too light I love that classic vibe amber neck now we can have it and do it ourselves just awesome! I'm subscribing boss you're the man!
Thank You!
Wow it looks so much better
That neck is beautiful now great job
Thank You
Thank u so much for this!
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Great job
well done
Im very proud cause this guitar crafted in Indonesia❤
Nice work! I'll share this with my ghuitar tech.
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SICK!!!!!!!!!!
Man, I want this on my Squier neck!
Would it have killed them to take 90 seconds to stain my neck in Indonesia??
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I put some on the heel. Subtle darkening, and even has some gloss to it!
how do i know when i got all the finish off the neck
Thanks for the vid!. Question: So you simply just sprayed the ColorTone Satin finish on the neck and let it dry on a flat surface just like that? The Stew Mac "Aerosol Guitar Finishing - Part 2 - Spraying Color Coats and Clear Coats" made it seem way more involved with prep work, scheduled coat sprays over the day/week, and post-spray sanding. I have a Telecaster Affinity where I'm hoping to just make the neck have more of that nice buttery-smooth satin which makes playability super nice.
Right On. These Squier bullet maple necks have a thin sealer so much of the prep is done. If you want a thicker more durable finish you could add several days of build coats with regular lacquer and a final coat of satin.
I’ve watched several of your videos. Excellent information. I want to make my white maple neck more amber. Have you ever used the angelus leather dyes for something like this?
Thank You. I have not tried the leather dyes but BigDGuitars has some good videos. Have you tried it? I should give it a try
@@harpethguitar thank you for your reply. Yes,his videos are primarily where I’ve learned about the process. I’ll probably try that first. I’m probably only doing one neck, and trying to figure out how to do it without spending lots of money on things I only need a drop or two of lol.
Thanks for the video.
Just curious. How did you sand the fretboard without changing the radius or refretting the neck??
These details are in the video description. This particular neck has a “sealer coat” so I used 400-600 grit to open up the coat a skosh. I wrap the sandpaper around these sanding sticks:
www.stewmac.com/luthier-tools-and-supplies/supplies/sanding-and-polishing/sandpaper-and-finishing-papers/micro-mesh-dual-angle-touch-up-sticks-set-of-4/
I’m trying to refret my strat neck. (My first time ever). But once the old frets were out, I realized I wanted my fretboard and neck refreshed as well. I got a 9.5r sanding block and sanded the existing finish off the fretboard (320, 600, then 1200). and then smoothed the back leaving some of the original. So now I’m thinking I should put the frets in first, level and crown them and dress the ends. Finally, then do my staining and finish spraying. Afterwards I can polish the frets to remove the spray off of the frets. Your video basically shows me that last process. Am I on the right path? Thank you for the help!
Yes, I believe that’s the way the factory does it. I’ve seen fret dust trapped under the clear finish on old Fender necks. The trick is to keep that grey dust from staining the white maple. Maybe wipe some shellac into the raw wood first as a sealer coat. I’ve also heard that with maple you shouldn’t sand above 320 grit
Have you seen the new Squier strat 40Rh Anniversary? Amazing satin neck. I don’t want the whole guitar just that neck. Do you do necks like that. Satin. Super smooth. Not glossy. Very comfortable
I haven’t had one yet in the shop but they look incredible on Sweetwater.com
Like this one?
www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Strat40AVSSB--squier-40th-anniversary-stratocaster-electric-guitar-vintage-edition-satin-sonic-blue-with-maple-fingerboard
I am currently switching volume and tone pots on this exact guitar. Also putting new vintage tuners on headstock. The headstock had some damage so I had to do some sanding on it , would you recommend anything (product wise) for just refinishing the headstock to match the rest of the neck
Something I can pick up at Home Depot maybe ??
Crucial Thanks
Minwax sanding sealer perhaps
Thanks Scott
While sanding the whole neck, weren't you a bit worried to ruin the radius of the fretboard?
How did you manage to minimize the impact of sanding on the radius?
I lightly scuff sanded the sealer coat. I never even reached the bare wood. ☺️
Good morning from Nashville TN, good video, those necks look almost white, is the wood bleached?
Hard White Maple! When it is processed properly it says really really white. 👍
So yes, in order for the stain to work, the neck needs to be finish sanded? I kinda forgot about that step and all the stain came off once I started playing
Oh no! Did you forget the clear top coat?
@@harpethguitar well I used Rit Dye which I've seen used on necks before. I think with the combination of not finish sanding and not having finishing oil, it all led to the finish just not sticking to the neck the way I want. I currently have 3 coats of True Black Minwax stain on the neck and then I'm going to apply a coat of Tung Oil
Thank you! How long did you let the lacquer dry before you taped the neck and sanded the frets?
Just a day or two is all the cure time with the ColorTone satin lacquer. It dries real fast. I love that stuff. Read the directions to be safe
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@@harpethguitar Thanks! That's the brand I'm using... Sounds good!
I have a new neck that arrived with a light matte finish. Do I need to remove it for the stain to penetrate the wood?
You’ll have to test a small area first to see if it penetrates
Love the video!
Currently working on a mighty mite neck (maple with rosewood fingerboard) and used a mixture of straw and vintage amber colortone stain. It seems to soak into parts of the maple more than others…. Did you find this to be the case as well?
Is there a way to wipe it on evenly?
Yes sometimes this is very much the case with wipe on color. You could sand lightly with 1000 grit. A real small piece of the sand paper glued to a stick. This is risky too.
Getting ready to do this to an Allparts neck. After sanding, should I apply the logo decal, then the stain? Or stain first, then apply the decal?
It seems like you should stain it, Wait a day or 2 & Spray some clear (a light “mist coat”) before the decal. after the decal dries overnight the first clear coat should also be a mist coat. Good luck 👍
@@harpethguitar I was thinking the same- stain, then decal. Thanks for your advice! 👍
Great ,but how did you sand the headstock without the Squier-Logo coming off?
Very lightly, trying not to hit the black ink. Wear glasses 🤓
I have the same neck, same objective. You said you sanded the neck prior with 400 & 600 grit to remove the original top coat. How the heck do you sand in-between frets, and with the grain? I don’t see how that’s possible especially upper frets. Did you go across the frets? If so, doesn’t this then require a fret dress after? I was going to scrape the finish off with razor blades to avoid sanding across the frets. Very labor intensive! Thanks!
I did not remove the sealer coat, just lightly scuff sand it with 400 to 600 grit sandpaper. You can wrap the sandpaper around a foam nail file or something half inch wide approximately sand in between the frets in the same direction as the frets this will give the new finish a little tooth to adhere to. I mean “lightly” when I say lightly. Thanks!
@@harpethguitar thank you. I’m so concerned about sanding against the grain! The headstock and back of the neck should be a breeze to sand because the top coat is so thin. Thanks again!
Lots of guitar guys use Red Scotchbrite pads. StewMac has them. I just got a few to try. You can cut your pieces just the size you need.
@@SCLUCAS01if your only sanding clear finish it won't be against the grain, it will be against the "smooth finish." Against the grain only applies to bare wood grain. Also it is best to lightly run up and down the neck (between the frets) a bit to rid any sanding scratches if any are present. It would help hide them with the grain.
Did you have to sand the headstock? I noticed the logo didn’t look sanded. Thanks
I did not have to sand the headstock
How did you sand with 320 without sanding off the logo on the headstock
I did sand through it slightly. Be very gentle! You might not need to sand yours. Good luck!
Looks great! How did you sand around the logo on the headstock?
Thank You, I tried to avoid it but scratched it up slightly 😅
great video!! did you need to sand the headstock as well? will it affect the logo??
Yes. Very lightly. I could have sanded through the logo in a heartbeat
Did you sand or prep the fretboard as well?
Yes. A really light sanding, with the grain. in between the frets with 400 - 600 grit. 🥂
I wish it was darker amber. But nice playing!
That is the color I am looking for.. You said Vintage Amber and Kalamazoo Brown, all I see at Stewmac Kalamazoo Mahogany and the vintage amber.. Is that the same Kalamazoo that you used? Never mind I see you have the Kalamazoo Mahogany in your description
Love it but want less yellow tint. Which drops to decrease for less yellow?
Less Amber = less yellow 😻🎸
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That looks so much better. IDK why the factory doesn't just do a tinted finish on the necks. It adds so much more class to an inexpensive guitar. A quick question. Could you have just used the Colortone Amber and skipped the staining?
Yes but the ColorTone amber is too yellow for my liking 🤢
I’ve been trying to stain a Squire Strat neck.
How many drops of Amber? Did you say 30 drops?
Thanks for instructional video👍
Hello Spaceman, I used 30 drops of amber and 12 drops of kalamazoo mahogany in 1 tablespoon of denatured alcohol.
@@harpethguitar Thanks for responding.
I’m going to use the dyes on a Squire and a Warmoth neck.
Just a quick tip that I learned after publishing this video is to wipe the wood with shellac as a sealer, so that the stains go down more evenly resulting in a less blotchy color coat
@@harpethguitar Thanks for the update.
Do I wipe the wood with shellac before applying the stain or after staining the wood?
Before staining
How many cans of the lacquer did you use, and coats?
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1/10th of can ColorTone Satin Lacquer. 2 wet coats.
@@harpethguitar Thanks!
Is the sandpaper on the fret part necessary? Just curious of the purpose?
It is optional. I like polishing the rough frets with 800-2000
So can this be done straight into a satin finish?
Your neck will likely need to be sanded fist depending on the finish. Maybe a little bit of sanding like with the "Squier" or maybe a lot of sanding if you have a different brand of neck.
Damn, in a perfect world I can just Apple Pay you money to do the exact same thing to my Fender Tele neck
How did you sand between the frets? and without removing the logo?
It’s in the “Description” You can go around the logo
I didn't quite catch those proportions. Do you say 30 drops of vintage amber and 12 drops of Kalamazoo brown with a tablespoon of denatured alcohol?
Yes that’s right. Actually StewMac calls it “Kalamazoo Mahogany”. It’s a reddish brown. Any brown will probably do just fine. Practice on scrap (or on the neck heel)
@@harpethguitar Thanks for the quick reply! I did just that, but I guess it didn't mix too well. I got some really streaky and blotchy (for lack of a better term) results. Kinda looks awful. I'll sand it down and try again. Yours seemed to come out perfect right out the box, so I'm hoping to match that. I did get the Kalamazoo Mahogany, by the way. I have a spare piece of poplar I can try it on.
how did you sand it and not loose your squire logo and sn?
400 grit. Just a quick scuff. I did loose a little of the ink 😖
Did you sand the fretboard before staining?
A really light sanding, with the grain in between the frets with 400 - 600 grit. 🥂
What is the alcohol solvent that you use?
Denatured alcohol
@@harpethguitar ty
Does the neck end up feeling glossy smooth like the high end fenders?
I guess, I had a USA highway 1 Telly $, it had a satin lacquer feel. This is satin lacquer, no “glossy”
@@harpethguitar oh ok, i might need a different clear coat for that then. I have a fender jazz bass mij and want to get my squier neck to the same super glossy finish
This video shows the clear gloss approach. It takes 10-20 coats and then you wet sand & polish :
ruclips.net/video/wzJEC3PP9ZU/видео.html
@@harpethguitar very nice thats probably what im looking at doing
Could you just use a Minwax stain or something?
I've used Minwax stains before and yes, you can - to a degree. The blacks and browns that come pre mixed, that are super thin and watery, those will work just fine. I've gotten specialty mixed colors from hem and they simply don't dry. They're super thick and at best, get tacky. If you want some good colors, I highly recommend getting some leather stains. Tandy Leather has a great selection of different brands and they're cheaper than Minwax.
Did u sand the fret board first too?
Yes! My method is in the video description. These days I use a maroon Scotch Brite pad cut into small pieces
I like the color, but I can’t find Kalamazoo Brown...I see Kalamazoo Mahogany...is that what you meant?
Yes that must be it! “Kalamazoo Mahogany” oops 😬
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I want to do that to my Squier Bullet, but I don't need that much stain, I'd never use it all...
And now I wanna do that with my Bullet Tele...
You could use alcohol inks from Michael’s Crafts. They’re cheap. Get a reddish Brown and a yellow and mix them?
What?