Is Islam PRO-LIFE or PRO-CHOICE? | Dr. Shabir Ally
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- Опубликовано: 21 окт 2024
- Several US states have passed laws severely restricting access to abortion for women. But how is abortion viewed from an Islamic perspective? Dr. Shabir Ally joins us to discuss whether Muslims should be pro-life or pro-choice.
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I am not a muslim myself. I was just wondering about the Islamic viewpoint. Also, I love how these people use the Islamic faith, and not victimhood and intersectionality, to justify their viewpoints.
who uses victimhood and intersectionality to justify their viewpoints (particularly abortion views)?
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@@crobeastness This comment of mine was ancient, and my views have shifted drastically since then.
@@zfloyd1627 What are they now?
Thank you so much for sharing this well-informed, nuanced, and balanced view in accordance with Islamic classical tradition, jurisprudential precedent, and your own reasoning, Dr Ally. In my faith journey into Islam, your videos and lectures have been immensely helpful and educational for me.
BarakAllahu fik!
-Ryan Hunter
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Haha 😂
Assalam.. The more I hear Dr ally.. the more I think of Islam a natural and scientific way of living.. May Allah swt grant him long hayat so that he can enlighten and guide whole of ummah in this critical atmosphere of Islamic existence
A lot of science came from the Islamic world.
♰ KST_GR_ // Κώστας could you please now answer to the comment below your comment?! Thanks!
It's interesting how close Islam is to the medical consensus. 120 days is about 17 weeks and viability occurs between 22-28 weeks. To an overwhelming degree, most abortions occur before 17 weeks. Most doctors will not perform an abortion well into pregnancy without some sort of extenuating health circumstances. Islam's views on abortion are more progressive and more in line with most OB-GYNs than modern Christianity.
PRACTICING MUSLIMS ARE PRO LIFE!!! PERIOD
Islam is against abortion.
Everyone with common sense is against abortion
Salam, in Islam, if a mother will die of childbirth. The baby will be aborted. My brothers correct me if I am wrong
Salam, that is exactly what pro life is, no pro life movement is asking the women to die for their child.
A fatal pregnancy is 0.00032% of pregnancies @@عليريسؤينا
Jazakallahu khairan, this channel has really helped to clear doubts and I am sure it has for many other people too. Providing this information in these times of great misinformation is really important. May Allah reward you for your efforts and may Allah help us all to gain knowledge and seek deeper understanding. Ameen 🤲
You said that couples shouldn't use contraceptives for fear of poverty or something like that. I would like to hear more about why contraceptives are discouraged. And do Muslim communities provide a natural family planning method to couples who dont want to use contraceptives? Actually it might be a good idea for mosques to offer a class to couples on a fertility awareness method.
@ShiaMuslim I'm talking about married couples.
@@hyrunnisa997 The overall ruling is that God will always provide for you.
As a Muslim that is why I vote conservative everytime if we keep voting liberal our kids will grow up in a very bad place
What a beautiful, well thought and well explained argument based on solid knowledge. Thank you, Dr. Shabir Ally, for clearing up matters in such a concise manner! One of my (Muslim) employees is confronted right now with such a difficult decision (elderly and facing a possible divorce) and this sure will help a great deal.
a random number like 120 days is well though out?
I am a Christian and i have lots of Muslim friends who are against Abortion from DAY 1. I don't agree with your reason for circumstances she can have the child and then give it to an orphanage if it causes her pain but killing it is against God's will. Christians, Muslims, and Jews can pray and God will provide help but killing the child is against God's will in EVERY RELIGION.
I am against abortion and I am Muslim, but are you saying abortion is murder because I think it is. I agree that no one should kill a human being or a child and it is against God, God is in charge of the child not the mother. So abortion is very wrong. I agree with you
Agree as a Muslim once the fetus is fully developed it’s a sin to kill it
Ancient Jewish and Christian traditions always condemned abortion, but it was seen by many to be more egregious after formation which is six weeks. That's about 42 days which is close to the 40-day scale. Jewish law allowed abortion for the life of the mother and some take that to include physical and mental health.
Abortion needs a valid reason before 40 days, not because you don't want the responsibility.
Now days some kits can detect pregnancy before expected day of period.
So people can detect pregnancy way before 40 days.
I wonder why a secular country like America want to be so strict on abortion?
@@bryanbradley6871 People will just create the valid reason. Claim to be suicidal.
If the baby is a human then is it murder. If it is not a human then why do you need any reason? It would be like cutting your toenails.
Judaism says life begins at the first breath.
@@gracehetfield5331 Breath is an important moment, but it's pretty clear that Judaism condemned abortion unless it was necessary to save the mother's life.
A devoted pro life guy watching this, though.
If youre a Guy you shouldnt have an opinion on this
@@ceciliechristensen2585 abortion isn't only based on women opinions
@@goldenprep2339 it is, if she dosent want to carry it she dosent have to since its a fetus, but you hav Eno uterus so your not allowed an opinion. Bye
@@ceciliechristensen2585 and u are not a muslim, he is not a liberal like u, he can have an opinion on abortion, i am saying this as a muslim woman.
@@thefunshackwars5418 first of All how do you know im not muslim, and how do you not know whats it says in the quran about abortions if your muslim? Its a womens opinion in islam.
Those couples who have just gotten married and want to enjoy their companionship and are not ready to take the responsibility of a child not financially but mentally not prepared.should they even not use contraception?unwanted child feels like a burden to many..it becomes a suffering for the child itself.
Legit. Why make abortions illegal when there are literally enough suffering children to begin with. Think about the ones that are already alive.
Use adoption
You are saying because a child might potentially be emotionally suffering they should be killed? Who are you to decide on death of a human?
With all due respect, I despise the analogy between the chicken egg and the foetus. Even a toddler knows there is a HUGE difference between a fertilised egg, and one that you can make an omelette with. Even a toddler would not crack a fertilised egg.
I was thinking the same thing. Also, we always consider it inhuman to kill or risk the death of any other unborn animal, like unborn dolphins, so why don’t we recognize the life in people? And many abortion procedures are incredibly painful for the unborn child (even if we don’t know exactly how painful).
@gabrielmedina2480 they're not painful for the unborn. The medical consensus is that a fetus cannot feel pain until at least 24-25 weeks. After that, there is some debate as to whether a fetus can feel pain. Less than 1% of abortions are performed at a point where a fetus could theoretically feel pain. Most abortions these days are medication induced miscarriages and don't require a procedure.
@@gracehetfield5331 Pain or no pain, killing is wrong. It is a mental perversion to think you have a right to call death down upon a life you created.
according to the Book of Enoch, which is used by Ethiopian Jews and Christians, there was a fallen angel (demon) named Tamiel who taught mankind “the wicked strikes of spirits” the book includes abortion as something Tamiel taught.
Wow. A very thoughtful conversation.
Thank you shabir Ali .
Actually the hadeeth says “period of time (similar) to 40 days” that the soul is breathed in, so since in arabic it is saying period of time (similar) to 40 days and not exact 40 days when soul is breathed in, it is impossible to know exactly when the soul is breathed in, and therefore abortion is completely not allowed at all except for when mothers life is in danger, which is almost never anyways. And besides: it already says in the Quran not to kill your children and not to take an innocent life without just cause. Children are a blessing from Allah according to the Quran, so killing that blessing is an obvious act of rebellion against god, and u know how severe a sin that is in islam.
I totally agree. 👍🏻
You can't be three different physical things at the same time.
So I think it's actually 120 day's.
And when it comes to financial problem remember one thing
You are not the one who provides for your child , Allah does.
WOW Well this is the 2nd thing I agree with Islam on
Check out our videos, there might be much more that you agree with.
@fred fred • ☺
@Rafal Omnom▪
Including your mother and Sister. 😋
@@Irfan--Khan not very funny irfan
Rafal Omnom actually more than one wife is usually prohibited only in certain conditions can a man marry another wife
ENDING HUMAN LIFE AT ANY PHASE IS KILLING AND SHOULD BE PUNISHED AT THE FULLEST EXTENT
it's not killing anybody. Id rather have been aborted then live a life where I know my parents didn't want me.
Thanks for the info!
The egg analogy isn't a good one because the eggs we get from the grocery store and eat aren't fertilized. I don't think he did a good job explaining the differences between a baby out of the womb vs a fetus in the embryonic stage (3 - 8 weeks). The fetus is well considered human life at that point and when excluding the obvious physical differences, it is very similar to a baby out of the womb, in that it is a human life that cannot sustain itself without assistance from another.
is killing apostates pro life ?
san.123 Legally the fetus is considered differently in different countries
Tanja Van Kessel Yes and sadly laws aren’t always decided using facts or good moral judgement.
san.123 It’s always difficult when laws have to deal with matters of life and death. In the case of abortion, medical technology has also had influence, for example the possibility of finding out if the fetus suffers from a (possibly) lethal condition. Even when many unwelcome pregnancies could be prevented, there will always be complicated cases where difficult decisions have to be made.
@@zerototalenergy150 there is pro life and then there is pro-islam. guess which category killing infidels is in
I guess the main issue I have with this is, what do we mean by "soul"?
As a Catholic, who is strongly in favor of a more Thomistic approach, we would say roughly, all living things have a "soul" or "life". And that there are different types, vegetative(plants), Emotional(animals, there are other names for this one) and rational(humans, this would also include things like intelligent aliens if those exist). And since at the moment of conception it is unique, biologically alive and from human parents, it has a rational soul and therefore worthy of protection like any other person(outside the womb)
When God breathed life into Adam, it was distinguished from other animals.
But to point out the inconsistencies of what this man is saying. It is my understanding that God is in control of everything. If God is the one who is at work in a being up to 40wks, then how can they agree with humans disrupting that process?
Subhan Allaah !!
Christianity: Pro life
Judaism: Pro Choice
Islam: In between
Islam is pro life
Islam is pro life unless it threatens the mother’s life. Same goes with Judaism
Islam is pro life until 6 weeks
All three are pro-life, it's just that Islam is a bit more flexible on the matter. That being said they still consider it very serious and dislike the idea of it.
@@williampitt1537 Flexible on murder? Is that a good thing?
Short answer pro life
@@roksanaumarova947 Abortion is murder, it is haram according to all the major scholars in Islam, period.
@@reezis1619 So is abusing animals for dairy products and using them as milk machine.
@@kimiayana1 You do realise that you don't need to abuse animals to get their milk.Nor does saying "milk is a cheap protein", mean that you support the abuse of animals.
@@reezis1619
another reason why muslims are incompatible with the west
@@lourecivargas9736 West boy, aren't your beliefs on the subject similar to this?
40 days is the cut-off point.why bring a child on board when you know you can't possibly take care of him/her?
Answering you will be a big west of time special if you're a Muslim.
And that's why u don't get married if u not ready.. and that's why u don't open your legs before marriage
Mabel Mancia well said, mashAllah
Things happen kiddo you are to young to understand go back to bed its way past your bedtime.
@@native5647 is that for me.?
The inconsistencies. Is God in control of everything? Is He sovereign? Is He not the one who forms the child into being in the womb? Does He not shape and mold every aspect from conception to soul?
Knowing this, how can you be content with man destroying this process?
Is this his daughter or they just happen to have the same last name? Regardless this is a great video and very enlightening considering what's going on with current events.
The female interviewer is his daughter.
@@ChaosAlpha Masha Allah good to know thanks
Human intervention vs. God's intervention. Human's will vs. God's will. Is abortion a will of God or a will of a human being?
You can say this about literally every action in life. The point is to pray.
So this is also why Christianity is true! ABORTION IS WRONG SINCE DAY 1 !
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you" Jeremiah 1 1 (Prophet Jeremiah who muslims believe said this)
God breaths the soul from our conception, Jesus loves you! Pray for him to show himself in your dreams as many of Iranians are witnessing now
How does that have anything to do with abortion? This verse just means that God is the creator of all things.
love let the quran speak
keep it up plz
Thanks a ton Dr Shabir Ali and your daughter
I'm Atheist but considering converting to Islam and I wanted to make sure it was a pro life religion because I'm pro life. I can't really watch the video fully right now, so can someone tell me if Islam is pro life or not??
I'm athiest and pro-choice. watch the video fully if you want an answer, don't be lazy
@@olderalt.4066 I wasn't being lazy. I was in church (my aunt wanted help with the kids at her church) and I couldn't listen the video
@@destinyboyd7711 but you're not now. also the video is pro-life I'm pretty sure.
@@olderalt.4066 okay
You're an athiest but you're pro life? I don't understand how anyone who is an athiest can be pro life.
But you do break chickens to eat them.
Yeah, I get what Iman was trying to say. But he got a little confused with his analogy there.
Jazakallah Bro Shabir Ally 👍
If a muslim woman choose for abortion within first 30 days of pregnancy n get it don because of morning sickness, how its viewed in Islam
120 days is ludicrous
How is it ludicrous? It's pretty close to what most OB-GYNs would agree with.
Quote sources, please!
Can you make a video discussing surrogacy?
I'm kinda dumb so did sum1 tell if prolife or prochoice?
I would say Shabir is pro choice leaning but with more rules than your average bro choicer.
It depends. If the mother will die of childbirth. The baby will be aborted
Dr shabir Cristian prince is challenging you to debate him??
Didn't you see Shabir mock him saying "He is higher league than me"? Before talking about Shabir, check his debates and degrees.
I would like to see a debate between CP and Bart D. Ehrman
about the truth of christianity
@@moezdridi7161▪
You are joking, Please don't tell me that you are serious. 😂
Cp is just a joke. 🎅
What about if the woman has been raped?
It is a valid reason to get aborted. No Islamic scholar has objection on that but the point is that such cases are rare.
Is the baby guilty of that?
@@greggrimer354 there is no baby. Before a certain amount of time before the soul has been breathed in.
It's mentioned in the video. It's allowed in Islam as long as it's before 120 days or about 17 weeks.
Simple answer ladies!! for God sake keep your legs together until you get married
How would you be born if your mother followed this advice? God created the woumb and the process. Do it correctly and be careful. Everything in accordance with Allah is wonderful ♡
@@miramoses8340sorry if it's outside marriage I ment
@@affarokurz1486 Unfortunatley, it cant be controlled. Its a sign of judgement day. It will get worse.
You do realize that married women get abortions too? I’d promote birth control to prevent abortions. Promoting abstinence results in more teen pregnancies.
Affaro kurz Same for men spreading their seed.
The only person who should have the right to decide,is the pregnant women,it is nobody else's business...religions,with with their antiquated rubbish should stay out.
zerototal energy I agree! At the end of the day it’s the mothers responsibility when that baby is born.
@@gjfjfk Are you kidding me? Because that body is a part of their body being sustained by their organs and blood and oxygen.
In some of your videos you say Hadith's are problematic, in this case you quote Hadith re the below 120days embreyo is ok for abortion, isn't that cherry picking
@Ali bee yes leave it to the experts, we all can keep quiet and accept what they say , great
@Ali bee in scientific study yes I agree , but in religion most experts are biased and decievers, it's hard to trust expert's in religion, you need to make use of your own critical thinking
When a hadith is in direct conflict with the Quran, we dnt accept these Hadith. But some hadiths do, so we accept it.
Fantastic!!!
Is “she” Shabir ally daughter ?
If i recall correctly, yes she is. I might be wrong. I think ive seen a video shabir saying its his daughter
She is.
Why you put she in "..." ?
tough*
tbh, it's none of islam's business to be either
What makes you the decider of that?
@@xcurrentbreeze6626 You understand this makes no sense right? I reject the decision. You're dumb.
Islam lets women have choices in almost every aspect of life unlike other religions where we are shamed !
@Ali bee I don't need any qualifications to understand freedom and humanity. Shame on you for questioning me
@Ali bee no shame on you for questioning a women's right to choose
Justifying murder. Life begins at conception. Period.
Yeah this guy is no intellectual, he's a con artist.
I'm telling you things are gonna pop off soon. Heads will fly.
I don’t know 50% of embryos don’t implant do those babies then die or is it not a baby yet.
Do you eat animal products? That is also murder. And if life matter then all life should matter. Period.
Joonas Laajanen and you’re an ignoramus. Period.
#prochoice
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Wow
interesting
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doGGo bOi lol
Will lady stop interruption..plz
islam is utter nonsense
like anyone's love for ya m8
If Hajar had freedom of choice we could have been spared 9/11.
Or maybe if people like you held your politicians to account, it might've never happened in the first place.
They knew what was going to happen
They knew about Bin Laden long before anyone else.
Mossad agents were here, recording the event.
People like you are why the world is the way it is.
and spared the american cia from triggering controlled demolitions which was clearly seen of the Tower 7 to frame others for justifying an invasion of other countries...hundreds or engineers have come forward since and said an aluminium airplane with kerosene fuel could not have brought down the steel fortified towers even with such an impact!
Thanks for the replies children of Al-Ghazali. Good luck with the book burnings.
@@kimcheewee4 thank you reading my dear sister of Pauline sect the first heretic in true christianity who swayed away from the teachings and disciples of Jesus of Nazareth..
What would have spared you of the World Wars?