Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (1982) -🤯📼First Time Film Club📼🤯 - First Time Watch/Reaction/Review
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Wrath of Khan is the gold standard by which all sequels must be judged.
Alongside Aliens
The initial movie was interesting but sterile. This movie delved into the characters and was the movie that introduced humor into the series. It's interesting how the even number Star Treks were the best; #6 being an Agatha Christie-in-Space movie.
*The Godfather Part II has entered the chat
Top Gun Maverick accepts your challenge.
Correct take. There is no sequel that unquestionably surpasses it's original by as much as Wrath of Khan beats Star Trek 1. Aliens, T2, Dark Knight, etc. were all followups to good initial movies, whereas Wrath of Khan has to overcome a tremendously mediocre Star Trek 1.
Wrath of Khan is one reaction I have to watch no matter who is reacting. Having people I already enjoy watching react to it makes it that much better.
I agree, this and Casablanca
@@AddSerious Goldfinger is another one I have to watch. I grew up in the 60s and superspys were all over movies and TV. Goldfinger is the seminal Bond film.
Well your in luck because everybody has reacted to this movie. I've been trying to get BIKER BOYZ or TORQUE but the reaction channels just watch the same movie's.
Star Trek, Superman, Doctor Who, Monty Python, Airplane, Police Squad/Naked Gun, Hot Shots, Princess Bride, Weird Al...I have several I almost always check.
@@dupersuper1938 Aliens and The Road Warrior are two more for me. Plenty of Aliens reactions out there. But not a lot for The Road Warrior. I guess I have a thing for exceptional sequels.
"Jim, I think you'd better get down here... better hurry..." - the shot of Spock's empty chair always gets me...
When you're young: it's a fun sci-fi action movie.
When you're older: It's Moby Dick. In.... Spaaace....
Shatner actually turned into Moby Dick.
Khan even having his own Starbuck, trying to get him to see reason and give up his White Whale
Yeah in the shot where Chekov sees "Botany Bay" engraved in the metal, you can see the stack of books beside it that influenced the film.
@@tigqc Specifically Moby Dick and Paradise Lost
Funny thing they repeated their Moby Dick success for First Contact.
The late Paul Winfield played Captain Terrell- wonderful actor. He died far too young. He would return to Star Trek in The Next Generation. Here's a clue as to who he played. "Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra."
Much meme. So wow.
Darmok and Jalad on the ocean.
Dathon, when the slug grew.
I've watched Star Trek all my life and I never knew that until now, great factoid!
Temba, his arms wide!
"Open a winder."
Southerners in SPAAAAAACE.
"Where are the pigs?"
"Barbecue"
Where southerners hang their gun racks on their space ships....in front of the back winders!
You mean the Terrans from Starcraft?
@@amalgam777 "I'm about to drop the hammer, and dispense some indiscriminate justice!"
"Scotty, if you'd brought him to sick bay instead of up to the bridge, I could have saved him."
Spock dying... one reason for the Kobiashi Maru was to do a fake death at the start, so people who heard rumors he would die might think, "OK, it was a fake death." Secondly, one thing about the double-breasted uniform with a belt, when one gets up, they'd tuck on the bottom edge to pull it down and straighten it out... a lot of the audience felt when Spock stood up and did the tuck thought, "Oh, he's OK", which helped make the scene hit harder.
It was a smart move. By putting that scene in, it kept people from waiting for Spock to die and being distracted throughout the movie.
I don't think it sends a message that he's ok...it's already well established he's dead. It was just an old officer keeping up decorum to the end. The only honorable way to go
I always thought that straightening his tunic before seeing the captain was just "so Spock".
And those rumors were started by Gene Roddenberry himself! He was butthurt because they wouldn’t let him direct the second movie (because he went 80% over budget on The Motion Picture). So to spite them he leaked the script. Gene was kind of an asshole.
To WIN it you blow up Kobayashi Maru and run as your tail is on fire, it's clearly a trap civilian ship in deep space, there is other actions that can be dont to beat it.
Meyer's direction to Montalban during the introduction of Khan was genius. He basically told him to keep calm, which is much more intimidating than just yelling and getting angry, out of control.
Montalban had a very long career. He had such amazing presents His face was made for movies. Then you get that voice too! If you were around in the late 70s/80s you watched Fantasy Island. You have to go watch the SCTV take on Fantasy Island. Eugene Levy doing Montalban is priceless!
@@reesebn38 That's why Meyer was intimidated to give Montalban any direction (first time directing?), not knowing that Montalban was receptive and looking for it. Glad they figured it out.
@@reesebn38he was a villain in Columbo, too
Montalban said in an interview that, on his first day on set, he delivered his lines at top intensity and volume. At the first break in filming, the director Nicholas Meyer asked to join him in his trailer so they could discuss stuff. Meyer started going over the option of lowering the level a bit. Montalban told him, “Oh, you’re going to DIRECT me! That’s good-I need directing badly!” It had been a while since he had gotten anything other than fawning feedback on set.
Kathy, great bit of trivia. I love Montalban being appreciative of the director's input.
Maybe not "fawning feedback", but playing the main character on a long-running TV series, directors would count on him to know the character better than they would.
Montalban was one of those actors who was severely typecast. By the 80's he was really called on to play the same character. Kind of like Christopher Walken, you hire him to play a specific type of character. When one of these actors get a chance to act out of type, you usually get something special like Walken in Blast From the Past.
@@Mauther Have you seen Walken in the tv film “Who Am I This Time?” It’s a romantic comedy from 1982, so it was early in his career, done for PBS’s American Playhouse. It was directed by Jonathan Demme, costarred Susan Sarandon, based on a Vonnegut short story.
I highly recommend it-it’s a wonderful celebration of small-town amateur acting groups. Walken is terrific as a nearly-pathologically shy store clerk who transforms when he is on stage, and Sarandon is the emotionally shut-off trainer who is new to the town and only gets to know Walken when she is cast opposite his Stanley Kowalski in A Streetcar Named Desire.
If I ever had the chance to meet Walken, I’d tell him that directors were stupid to not make him a romantic lead.
Originally, When Leonard Nimoy signed on for this film, he thought it would be the last of the Trek movies. But during the making of the film, having seen how it was much more positive than it was on TMP, Nimoy thought maybe Star Trek can continue with more movies. And if it could, then why would you want to leave?
Nimoy shared his concerns with Harve Bennett, who produced this film and is known for such shows like The Bionic Woman & The Six Million Dollar Man. He also felt that while Nimoy was enthused about telling more stories for future movies, the enthusiasm wasn’t so much that he said “Don’t kill me off.”
When they were going to shoot the scene where Spock neck-pinched McCoy; before going into the chamber, Bennett approached Nimoy and asked him: “What could you do to leave a thread for the future?” Nimoy got what Bennett was saying. And he came up with the idea of Spock doing a mind-meld with McCoy, and he says “Remember…” They both felt it was vague enough to serve as a lead-in to another story.
The shots of Spock’s torpedo tube on the Genesis Planet were reshoots because of how much the original ending was very depressing. Test audiences felt like they had been kicked in the stomach. Nicholas Meyer didn’t want to shoot those scenes because he felt that Spock had died and there was no way to bring him back. So ILM shot the footage of Spock’s coffin on Genesis, and they also added Nimoy’s narration of the prologue at the end of the film; all in an attempt to give the audience some hope that Spock will return.
The reshot ending really works, IMO. It feels really powerful and hopeful without taking away from the apparent finality of Spock's fate.
That was Ricardo's real chest. It was said he did 100 push ups every day.
He kind of HAD to! He had had a bad back injury in the 60s and could no longer stand for extended periods. He didn’t become outright unable to walk until the mid-late 90s. But it was always a struggle for him. He couldn’t jog or run to exercise so to stay fit he had to exercise in a manner that would suit him. He concentrated on his arms and core strength. Thus the pushups, among other things.
The writing in this movie is bar-none, absolutely brilliant. So many set-up, pay-offs, parallels, etc., and just in the first 5 minutes, no less! Right out the gate, Kirk states the entire point of the story, "How we deal with death is at least important as how we deal with life," and then "Galloping around the cosmos is a game for the young, Doctor." And then when he sees Spock, "Aren't you dead?", setting up a perfect foreshadowing! Just, what a great movie - even if you're not a Trek fan!
“Jim, be careful.”
“WE WILL!”
June 1982, after waiting until my towns little theater FINALLY gets the movie and the weekly special ticket price of "dollar Night" my mom dropped 10 years old (Superfan) me. Spock's death made me BAWL like a baby and I had to walk the block and a half to where my mom was parked for my pick up. I stumbled up still bawling my head off. She thought some big kids must have beat me up coming out of the theater. "Nobody picked on me...Spock DIED" She had been rethinking letting me have my 1st solo movie-going experience. Spock was the entire reason I started in the Star Trek fandom as a kid. a 5-minute spotting of a rerun at somebody's house just walking past the TV room. I was hooked. My all time fave Star Trek. and STILL makes me cry.
My Navy pals and I got in line early on opening day in Groton, Ct. There were 2 more audiences worth of people in line behind us. The management asked if we all wouldn't mind starting the show early (to great cheer). We were all in tears with Spock's death... the audience was crying it was so surreal. We were the kids who grew up with Star Trek in first run and it was inconceivable that our beloved Spock was gone. I can just imagine audience number two seeing our red faces, dried tears, and high emotion as we passed each other. TWOK was in that theater all summer and I went back at least 3 more times.
Not just the best 'Star Trek' film and not just a great film, but one of the very best films. Certainly one of my favourites of all time. Strong themes, well written and acted. The set-pieces are still nail-biting to this day and the score is maybe my favourite film score ever.
Absolutely love your profile pic!
I watch the space seed when it first aired in 1967 as a kid. This film always brings back memories of those days and is my favorite. I was a teeager when the first movie came out and left before it was half over and have never seen it, just didn't feel right.
I hear you brother - It's just perfection.
Good? Absolutely. Perfect? No way.
@@vinnyc.1265 I'd say it is as perfect as they could have made it with the technology available at the time. There is VERY little to complain about and it is mostly really minor nitpicks.
This is one of the very few movies which can make me misty-eyed every time I watch it. The sacrifice, the funeral, the little pause and quiver in Kirk's chin as he delivers his eulogy -- perfect.
Love that Pippen's got a paw on her shoulder during the recap, like he's comforting her after Spock's death...
Yeah he is such a beautiful cat.
01:51 Matthew's reaction at the mention of that name is totally relatable, right there with you, man.
Spock's funeral has always affected me. Since Leonard Nimoy's death though, the scene has hit me extra hard.
Kirstey Alley’s tears as Savvik were genuine. Kirstey couldn’t help it.
In the director's cut, it is revealed the young engineer who died was Scotty's nephew.
In the novel, he and Saavik strike a close friendship. Book versions of the movie give insight on characters. You read what they're thinking.
A couple other fun notes regarding links to the original series:
1) The Kobayashi Maru test is set in the Gamma Hydra sector, which we last saw in "The Deadly Years" - the episode where Kirk (among others) found himself aging rapidly and thus getting relieved of command. In the movie, Kirk has apparently already convinced himself that he's too old to command a starship again, no matter how much he longs to do it. (Also, Gamma Hydra was established in TOS as being on the border of the _Romulan_ Neutral Zone; however, it was cheaper to use the shots of the Klingon ships from TMP than build new Romulan vessels for a couple seconds of screentime.)
2) In the pilot episode, "Where No Man Has Gone Before", Gary Mitchell says that Kirk was such a hardass as an Academy instructor that Mitchell convinced a "blonde lab technician" to seduce Kirk so he'd chill out; Kirk responds, "I almost married her!" It's never been confirmed, but a popular fan theory holds that that lab tech was Carol Marcus.
I loved the different music that played when the different groups were on screen. Kahn had his own score and Kirk had his own score. Then the battle scores were a combine two depending on who was winning.
I personally don't think Star Trek indulges in that as much as it should. It's not the first time here. In The Doomsday Machine, the Constellation had her own leitmotif. In the Fleet Museum scene every ship that was shown played a little bit of that show's theme song. I feel like every ship in the fleet has her own theme song in there. I would imagine that Reliant's as depicted with Khan in command is a dark reprise of her normal theme.
This is one of the rare movies that gets a 10/10 from me.
I absolutely love it!!!
This movie in the Trek timeline takes place about 20 years since the start of Kirk's original 5 year mission on the U.S.S. Enterprise.
David is clearly older than 20.
So Kirk and Carol Marcus must have gotten together before the events of Star Trek the original series.
In the episode "Where No Man Has Gone Before", the second pilot of the show and Kirk's first appearance going by production order...
Kirk has this interaction with Gary Mitchell, someone who had been his friend since they were in the academy together, talking about past exploits:
MITCHELL: If I hadn't aimed that little blonde lab technician at you.
KIRK: You what? You planned that?
MITCHELL: Well, you wanted me to think, didn't you? I outlined her whole campaign for her.
KIRK: I almost married her!
So nothing has been set down in canon, but it works almost perfect if they were talking about Carol Marcus.
Live long and prosper! 🖖
So that means Kirk is only in his mid-50s. Hardly the old man he makes himself out to be.
@@RedHeadKevin Well he feels old because he's a desk jockey instead of doing what he loves. He was a "career minded opportunist" who wanted to be the best, to be the youngest captain of the greatest ship. Pike did two five years missions as Enterprise commander, Kirk only did one and immediately took a promotion to Admiral...and as soon as he took the promotion he started missing the Enterprise. Missing the only woman he truly loved. Another adventure on the Enterprise and despite losing his best friend and he feels young and alive again.
Considering all that going "boldly forth" with all the ladies over his 5 year mission alone though, does kinda make me wonder how many Davids, Davinas, and more that may be out there. ;-)
@@outtheredude Considering that Star Trek TOS and the TOS movies take place in the 23rd century, one would think birth control would have been perfected by then.
Perhaps Carol Marcus bypassed birth control to get pregnant in order to trap Kirk, but her plan failed.
There is a TOS episode, The Paradise Syndrome, in which Kirk fathers another child, but the unborn child and its mother, Miramanee, are killed by stoning. In the episode, Kirk married Miramanee. She is the only woman Kirk ever married. Note that the society on the planet where Kirk and Miramanee live together is primitive so they probably had no reliable method of birth control.
@@RedHeadKevin Kirk was born on March 22, 2233. The birthday Kirk is having near the beginning of this movie is his fifty-second birthday and the year is 2285.
Note that Kirk is missing and presumed dead at age 60 in 2293, so he did not live to become very old.
This was the first time for anyone else other than Kirk spoke "The Final Frontier" saying.
This movie still holds up after 32 years, an easy 9
42. And yes.
@@robonyt OMG your right, 42
Captain Tyrell definitely deserves a posthumous Starfleet Medal of Honor. And a ship named after him.
"It was a hell of a thing when Spock died" - George Costanza
“Where is home if not the Enterprise?” Couldn’t have said it better myself!
I would love to see you guys/Emily react to Babylon 5. 👍👍👍👍
I'm surprised Matthew didn't mention this; in the director's cut, it's revealed the crewman Scotty carries to the bridge is his nephew.
Also, in the original episode Khan never met Chekov. Walter Koenig has a story for that. The food at the official dinner didn't sit well with Khan and Chekov was in the head so when he finally got out, there's Khan going, "You! I shall never forget your face!"
The Retnox 5 mention in Kirk's apartment indicates that this is the extended cut that reveals Preston was Scotty's nephew.
The novelization also reveals that Saavik is part Romulan, and she was tutoring Preston. There were hints of some romance going on between them, too.
@@BogeyTheBear Nope. This was the theatrical cut. The Retnox 5 mention is in both.
@@michaelkemmet834 No, it's the wording of the Retnox line that determines which version. If it's administered, it's the director's cut, if's it's recommended, it's the theatrical version.
What gets me is - the Director’s Cut - if I recall correctly- is only like 3 minutes longer. And the scene of the death of the young engineer (who in the theatrical cut you have no idea is Scotty’s nephew) loses so much impact.
I got to see it in theaters a little while ago at a 40th anniversary screening. Apart from that scene…you barely notice any differences from the theatrical version…they should have left it in - in my opinion anyway.
Also I think in the episode “Space Seed” the planet was “Alpha Ceti 5” and not “Ceti Alpha 5.”
Have seen this movie a hundred times. Still get tears every time. The score is so good. Not just my favorite Star Trek movie, but one of my favorite all time movies. My favorite version of the Enterprise. My favorite uniforms.
They hired a nobody composer to save money.
@@redrick8900 James Horner - Who - largely based on his work on this film and a few other stand-outs in the 80s became a star composer as much in demand as others like John Williams, Jerry Goldsmith, or Michael Kamen.
the young cadet Scotty carries on to the bridge was a big teen star of the 70s- Ike Eisenmann- star of all the Witch Mountain movies and several after school specials.
OH MY GOD EMILY I'M SO EXCITED FOR YOUUUUU. BEST TREK FILM EVAR.
This is what starship combat is supposed to look like, like large naval warships trying to outmaneuver the other to get a devastating broadside in and cause enough damage to force the enemy to flee or to sink her. The more recent trend of action-y Star Trek with all of this quick aerial-style combat is disheartening to see :/
There’s a story behind the moment where Kirk says to Spock: “Aren’t you dead?” Back before this movie came out, they tried to keep Spock’s death a secret but it leaked out. The fans went absolutely NUTS and complained en masse to Paramount. So, as a way to throw water on the anger and fool fans in the theaters, they put that “Aren’t you dead” comment in the beginning. When fans saw that, they breathed a sigh of relief thinking that was where the rumor came from. But it was only a distraction from the director. Spock died anyway at the end. It was a clever ploy, and fans became incensed! I remember it well.
There's obviously far more content over the run of the show, but the snark between Kirk, Spock, and Bones is by far one of my favorite elements.🤣
I'll be waiting for Star Trek 3 & 4 now. This is always such a fun and exciting arc.
2, 3, and 4 are the only films in TOS movies that feel connected. part 1 felt like an alternate reality. 5 and 6 felt like they were rejected stories that was meant to be on the TV series.
@@Dragnmastralex I liked the first film because I am an old-school fan, and it was a LOT of fan service and visual effects of the ship. I'm even okay with 5 & 6, though I agree the narratives are not the strongest. The unofficial trilogy is nice, but The Wrath of Khan is the anchor point of the TOS movies for sure.
Without question or equivocation, one of the greatest science fiction films ever made. Virtually perfect in every aspect, especially the performances and James Horner's score. The legendary Ricardo Montalban's Khan is a brilliant benchmark in the history of film villains. This film is as much a joy the hundredth time you see it as it is the first.
the ear worm scene absolutely traumatized me as a child. for a time it was the only scene from this film i could remember until seeing it again years later. I am surprised you didn't do the director's cut. but i guess it could be considered to contain a spoiler.
this is certainly one of my top trek films. and look forward to seeing you continue this film series.
This score is one of the greatest ever written - for a Star Trek film OR any film for that matter. Every beat is masterful - from the tense cat and mouse scenes to that majestic main overture. People tend to forget about it "because it’s in a Star Trek film," but by god it’s one hell of a soundtrack.
"What the hell's a 'winder'?" LMBO!!! 😂🤣
The moment after the first battle where Scotty shows up on the bridge with the body of the young crewman in his arms was supposed to hit even harder. There's some cut dialogue during Kirk's inspection that revealed that the young man was Scotty's nephew, and Scotty was incredibly proud that he'd made the cut to serve his training cruise on the Enterprise to learn under him. It was cut for pacing, but would have added so much more context.
In a deleted scene it is expressly stated that Saavik is half-Romulan and half-Vulcan.
23:24: "He read Moby-Dick, but he didn't understand it."
I'd argue Khan understood it perfectly. But, as Emily said, "he thinks everybody's dumber'n him." OBVIOUSLY Khan isn't going to make the same mistakes Ahab did, Khan's WAY too smart for that. And even if things do turn against him, CLEARLY he's smart enough to find a solution right away! He's a superior being, there's NO WAY he's susceptible the same foibles as an old, inferior human. Naturally, HIS quest for revenge will turn out exactly like he expects it to, because he's better than everyone else.
At least, that's what I imagine Khan's thought process looking like.
A noticeable continuity error in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan is that the character of Pavel Chekhov (Walter Koenig) was not yet on the original Star Trek series during season 1 when the Enterprise encountered Khan and his crew. Chekhov would not join the cast until season 2, so there was no way that Khan would have recognized him, or that Chekhov would have known who Khan was.
It's possible Chekhov served as a nameless crew-member aboard the Enterprise before Season 2 elevated him to Bridge Crewman.
The novelization of Wrath of Khan explains that Chekhov was there, working at night. He was devastated when she left with Khan, having a crush on her. And the cadet who died was Scotty's nephew, which is in the extended version of WofK.
Ironically, the writers were saved by _another_ continuity error: early episodes of _Star Trek_ were inconsistent with the stardate numbering, so a couple season two episodes featuring Chekhov actually take place _before_ "Space Seed". Consquently, we can assume Chekhov was already a part of the crew, it just wasn't his shift on the bridge during that episode.
I can't remember if it was Koenig or Montalban who would joke that Khan got held up outside a restroom on the Enterprise because Chekov was in first and that's why he remembered so clearly
@@gaz-l621Koenig made the joke at a convention.
I went around work quoting "He tasks me", at work to anyone that said something I didn't like for a week the last time I saw this lmao.
And Kahn is paraphrasing “Moby Dick” when he says that.
I love all the quippy one-liners that bring so much life to the characters and their interactions, and were bought with long association between them. Such a great movie, and as mentioned, the high bar that all sequels need to meet.
Khan seeing the Enterprise warp away: "Well...... Sh*t."
Or maybe, "Marla...forgive me."
Props to Roddenberry for conceptualizing Star Trek, but the worst episodes and movies are the ones he had the most creative control.
I agree to a point but "The Menagerie" was one of the best Trek episodes and TMP is a great film. Its just not the action/adventure film people wanted
My grandmother, my grandfather, Spock... the 3 times amazing grace on bagpipes have made me bawl.
"Of all the souls I've encountered in my travels his was the most human." -my heart shattering
James Horner's score for this film is so amazing. It mirrors the bombastic nature of the two main stars and yet is also subtle and understated when it needs to be. Just musical perfection.
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan featured one of the earliest CGI effects in cinema. The Project Genesis video that features a dead planet being transformed into a living planet was entirely CGI. TRON would be released a month later which would push CGI effects even further. This was not, however, the first use of CGI in film. That would be Michael Crichton's Westworld in 1973 which featured the first use of CGI with Yul Brynner's android gunfighter having electronic eye vision.
That CGI group at ILM went on to become a little company known as Pixar. 🖖
Man, I was blown away by the Genesis video when I first saw the movie. Considering the constraints they were working under, it's a real work of art. So much early (and even not-so-early) CGI is a bit embarrassing to watch today, but this still works great in context.
There's also a glitch in it where the camera "flies" through a mountain. To fix that, they made a crack in the CGI mountain.
@@RedHeadKevin yup I know that 😊 I’m a huge Trekkie. I have a 20th anniversary Star Trek magazine which was completely devoted to The Wrath of Khan. Obviously The Star Trek Magazine is not around anymore but I have them all. 😊🖖
Vertigo in 1958 used the first ever computer animation for the opening of the movie, and that is considered CGI. So Vertigo beat Westworld by 15 years lol,
This is peak Trek. King of all the Trek movies. #1.
George Costanza was more broken up thinking about the death of Spock than he was about the recent death of his fiancé. That's the power of this film. "It was a hell of a thing when Spock died."
I think this is the greatest of ALL Star Trek movies ever made.
When they shot the death scene with Spock and Kirk, they nailed it on the first take..the crew, camera operators, etc were weeping.
After the director said cut, they found that there was no film in the camera and they to do a second take..that's the one you see in the film
The young man Scotty has in his arms was his nephew that why he was so emotional
I remember the original TV trailers for Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. The studio did a terrible job of not letting spoilers leak about Spock's death. By the time the film came out, nearly everyone knew that Spock would die. Also, the trailers deliberately concealed the U.S.S. Reliant, perhaps wanting to keep Khan's ship a mystery, or thinking that audiences might not react well to the new starship design.
Which is why they were super super smart to do that "fake out" death in the opening of the film. You think it's safe.. It was just a test.. then you get hit with the real deal and it's devastating..
Rich Corinthian Leather!!
I wonder how many people remember Ricardo Montalban's old Chrysler Cordoba commercials? 🤣
Chrysler actually had to pay him extra to mispronounce Cordoba. The accent should be on the first syllable and, as a proud Latino, Montalban refused to say CorDOba unless they paid him to do so.
KAAAAHHHHNNNN!
I love that your comment has a "translate to English" option.
"Khan" is the Star Trek film you can show to non-Trek fans, and they'll like it because it's just a great film.
when Spock told McCoy to 'remember' he transferred his consciousness to him. this was Nimoy's idea because he originally asked for Spock to die because he was tired of the role but changed his mind during filming and asked for a way to possibly bring him back
BTW, J.J. Abrams ST Movies are 100% Non-Cannon. They absolutely do not exist.
They are absolute Trash.
Alternative universe. “Kelvin timeline.”
@@Parallax-3D I will admit that as a standalone completely on their own not in the ST universe, the movies are okayish.
"Throw some caltrops out the back window!" Your D&D nerd is showing! (And I love it!)
I'm at best a casual Star Trek fan but I love this movie so much. So much fun, and so dramatic. Just a great watch, every time.
I’ve seen this movie more times than I can count. It’s always at the top of the list of favorite ST original series films, and it’s easy to see why. I have never been so moved by a reaction to this movie in quite some time. You GOT me with your reactions. The stoicism of one and the heartfelt emotion of the other was everything. The requisite southern accent only makes it that much better. We’re only known for “Duuuuude.” I heart you guys:)
Matthew's poker face in the wrap up is magnificent
21:03 "Open a 'windur'", that BIG country came out then. 😅😅😅😂😂
This is the film that started my Star Trek journey. It's due to this that I checked the original series.
There's a fan edit on RUclips where Khan does see the Enterprise get away just before he dies.
To many, this is the best Star Trek movie made. But to me, the next one is the best.
The “Director’s Cut” of this movie includes scenes that establish the cadet from engineering was Scotty’s nephew.
There was some extra scenes for the TV release of the film, that there was a ladder climbing scene where Kirk tells Spock that was his son he beamed up with, and another where Scotty mentioned after the engineer died about his mother being proud of him, and that in the original script that was Scotty's nephew. And let's not forget the TNG episode where it featured both Merritt Butrick and Judson Scott. Though Judson Scott does not get his name in the credits in this film, something about trying to get top billing and it backfired on him.
There was a phrase that was repeated (not as often as most fans think - but often enough to be a meme) by Bones McCoy in the original series.
"He's dead, Jim."
Word is that the original script had him saying that or something VERY similar about Spock in response to Kirk's "He'll die!"
Deforest Kelley KNEW that if he said that line, that would pull everyone in the theater out of the moment and RUIN Nimoy's death scene. So he arranged to swap lines with Jimmy Doohan.
It's MCCOY who says "You'll flood the whole compartment!" Which - while a thing a doctor COULD say in this situation, would normally be a SCOTTY line.
And it's SCOTTY who says "He's dead already!" Which could be construed as a medical thing to say - but ALSO fits the scene as Scotty says it because who would know better about radiation in an engineering space and what it can do?
In the end - the swapped lines go by almost unnoticed except for the impact they leave behind. But credit must go to DeForest Kelley for catching what could have gone so VERY wrong and improvising the swap of lines with Jimmy Doohan!
I remember seeing this in the theater when it was first released and I remember in the scene where Kirk inspects the engine room that the young engineer that later Scotty carries to the bridge being introduced to Kirk as Scotty's nephew
I once worked for a Dr Khan. Sometimes when someone gave her something we'd do the Khan shout.
'Doctor KHHANNNN...here are the x-rays you wanted.'
Luckily, she had good sense of humor.
Leonard Nimoy's conditions for doing this movie included that Spock be killed cause he wanted out but then decided to leave the door open for a return. Once it was obvious the movie was a hit, Nimoy requested to direct the next one.
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan featured the music of James Horner, replacing Jerry Goldsmith, who had done the music for Star Trek: The Motion Picture. Horner had previously worked on movies like Humanoids from the Deep, Wolfen, and Battle Beyond the Stars. Horner would also do the music for films such as 48 Hrs., Star Trek III: The Search for Spock, Cocoon, Commando, Aliens (which earned him his first Oscar nomination for Best Original Score), Field of Dreams, Glory, Braveheart, Apollo 13, Titanic (which won him the Oscar for Best Original Score), A Beautiful Mind, and Avatar. Horner sadly passed away in 2015.
"Wolfen" is absolutely not a B movie. It's an A budget film starring Albert Finney...who didn't do B movies.
According to Leonard Nimoy, Spock's death was not his idea at all. He was contacted by the producers, who _offered_ him "a beautiful death scene". He was intrigued and asked to hear more. Contrary to what a lot of people have assumed for years, Nimoy did not hate the character and never sought to be rid of him. He just didn't want to be typecast, which is why he titled his first autobiography, "I Am Not Spock". But people heard the title and leaped to the assumption that he didn't like the character. His adamant denial is why he titled his later book "I Am Spock".
Khan Noonien Singh was first introduced in the Star Trek season 1 episode, Space Seed. The script originally featured a group of genetically engineered super humans who were similar to Vikings, but the character of Khan was later changed to a middle eastern character who was the principal figure in the Eugenics Wars of the late 20th century. Kahn and his people lost and fled the planet Earth in the S.S. Botany Bay, and remained frozen in hibernation until they were picked up by the U.S.S. Enterprise in the 23rd century, where Khan attempted to hijack Kirk's ship until Kirk and his crew overcame Khan and exiled them to Seti-Alpha V.
The Empire Strikes Back of Star Trek
I love the fact that Seinfeld probably referenced this more than any other film during its nine seasons.”TWIIIIIIIIIIIIX!”
A small plot hole: Chekov did not appear in the Kahn episode, so Khan couldn’t know him.
Yes, great effects for ‘82… ILM did many of them, was one of their jobs between Star Wars movies that helped make them into the powerhouse they became.
There's a video on this site of Ricardo Montalbán talking about this role. His first scenes sounded to him like Mr. Roarke and he was afraid the audience would not believe him as the villain. After rewatching the episode Space Seed a bunch of times he decided to play Khan as terribly passionate over the death of his wife. Nicholas Meyer, the director, helped him play up that passion just to a certain point, beyond which it would become parody.
I was eleven years old when I saw this movie at the theatres... I'd spent my childhood afternoons watching the re-runs of original Star Trek series over & over on TV and these characters were my sci-fi "family"... I saw Star Trek: The Motion Picture in theatres and while I was too young to appreciate the "hard sci-fi" story it was telling, it was great to see my family on the screen again on a new adventure.
Then THIS movie released... I was still high from the space opera of Star Wars ... I was completely nutty over "space-shit" with lasers and battles in space. So this played RIGHT into my wheel-house. I was just glued to my seat. And then... then ... OMG, Spock!!!
Y'all have to remember, this was WAY before the internet. This was WAY before I really had any ear to the ground and knew about the stories going around Hollywood ... I didn't know any of the backstage rumors and studio talk ... as far my eleven year old self knew ... they just KILLED OFF one of my favorite childhood heroes.
I didn't know if we were going to be getting any further sequels ... I didn't know if the actor was just DONE with the role entirely or what. I had **NEVER** felt tears welling up in my eyes before this moment at the movie theatre. I was a MAN. I didn't cry at the movies. I didn't cry when Travis had to put down Old Yeller. I didn't cry when Bambi's mother died. I didn't cry when Dumbo's mom reached out of the trailer to cuddle her baby and rock him to sleep. I was a stone cold icicles in my vein kinda guy... but THIS... THIS movie had me tearing up and wiping my eyes.
This is my favorite movie with the original crew....Star Trek VI being in 2nd and Star Trek IV being third (even numbers). Just like The Godfather 2, this is another example where the sequel surpassed the original. Great cast, story, music.... Love this movie and love your reaction. Cant wait for you guys to waxth the rest of the movie series.
Now you guys definitely have to watch 3 and 4!! 2, 3 and 4 are considered a triology. 4 is more comedic, but also has a really strong message and is a beloved Star Trek movie. 5 is ok, I like it (I also loved star trek 1), and 6 is really good. Then you get into the Star Trek: The Next Generation movies. 🙂
Wife is still beautiful 😍 as always! 🙂
14:30 That Ensign on the table was Scotty's nephew. That's why he was so saddened with this particular cadet's condition.
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan was very lucky that it opened the week before E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial came out in theaters. Star Trek II had a chance to find its own audience early and make a profit before E.T. came along and dominated the box office. Many other sci-fi movies that came out that summer in 1982 ended up getting steamrolled over by E.T., such as TRON, Blade Runner, and John Carpenter's The Thing.
Gotta feel for 'Sorcerer' then, which came out the same time as 'Star Wars'.
1982 was a magnificent year for movies. Just the 5 movies you mentioned in that post are groundbreaking classics.
"I love Mr Spock . . . " The Oh-No moment of the reaction.
Seriously. That got a 😬 from me.
The best Star Trek movie period ✌️
You're the first commenters to include the all important line, "If we go by the book, Admiral, hours will seem like days." Which explains why it takes only 2 hours for Kirk to get back to the Enterprise. Good work!
"At least he's not obsessed." 🤣
I thought it was cool showing that Warp speed is waaay faster than the speed of an explosion! 😎
Greater writers back in 1960-2000 era. It's rarer nowadays since big corp constantly push for profit margin while forcing writers and directors to use formulas that restrict creativity because they never want to take risks.
Hmmm. Wrath of Khan was given a pretty low budget after the comparative poor returns of the Motion Picture. A case of the studio looking to minimise risk.
DEFINITELY THE best Trek film.
The "wild s**t" CGI in the Project Genesis demonstration was created by the early form of REYES, which became the lynchpin of Pixar's internal rendering software for Toy Story, and most of their earlier films up to the mid 2010s.
At the time Wrath of Khan was made it was being developed at a division of Lucasfilm called the 'Computer Graphics Research Group', which was later spun out into Pixar.
The Project Genesis demonstration CGI was the first time REYES was used in a feature film.
The best actor in this movie is the blood smudge on Kirks jacket, it has a deep arching story that changes as the scenes progress and it's magical! I've seen this a hundred times at least and I still get teary when Spok asks what Kirk thinks of his solution.
I'm so glad that William Shatner got to go onto space for real. The only member of The Enterprise to do it.
Unless you count James Doohan’s ashes being flown into space.
@@Parallax-3D ok I'll specify members who were alive when they went into space.
One of my favorite movies. "A Tale of Two Cities" is one of my favorite books: "It was the best of times. It was the worst of times." Brilliant move, bringing back Ricardo Montalban as Khan. It had been years since he appeared in the episode "Space Seed." Everyone really was older by 1982. I saw this in the theater in New York. The audience was electrified.
"I didn't cheat, there wasn't a rule against reprogramming the simulation. Not till after my passing it anyway . . . about one week after I passed as a matter of fact."
i remember the tears first time i saw it, and at the time this was the only sequel of the series. Forget how crafty Kirk was in this .