According to Wikipedia: For many years, Montalban followed a strict diet and physical training regimen, giving him an enviable physique. After the release of The Wrath of Khan, director Nicholas Meyer was quick to quell any rumors of Montalbán's using prosthetics during filming.
@@crairdinIts been confirmed by the Director and many of his costars that yes Montalban was THAT ripped for the filming of Wrath, and he was 61 at the time.
@@hisdudeness8328 He was a leading man in the 1940's. He was one of the original singers for the song "Baby it's Cold Outside".... and it is very cold, in spaaaace.
In the theater there were thousands of moviegoers barely holding it together and then when it was Spock’s voice-not Kirk’s-that narrated those famous words, “Space, the final frontier. These are the voyages…” and everyone just lost it. Openly crying their eyes out having lost their beloved comrade. It was the most emotional experience I have ever seen in a theatrical event.
What's funny about that is that Spock's "Space, the final frontier" voiceover was meant to assure people that Spock was coming back in the next film. That, coupled with the shots of his casket being bathed in sunlight, was intended to give audiences hope that it wasn't over for him. That people saw it as a final goodbye and reacted with grief is a mark of how much Spock was loved, and how much that death, however temporary, was like a knife to the gut. I don't think co-writer/director Nicholas Meyer (who was denied script credit) or producer/-co-writer Harve Bennett had any idea just how much that death scene was going to hurt, or how much impact the film would still have even years later.
Just shows everything whats wrong with all these remakes and sequels. They just focus on pandering to the fans with these moments and don't actually create a compelling, interesting narrative. Most of them should have never been made but they are anyway because they know the fans will throw money at them no matter how bad they are.
@@reidmason2551 They didn't mean for it to assure them. Leonard Nimoy was considering being done with Star Trek, they wrote him out, but left it open in case he was convinced not to leave. I wrote more, but it included spoilers, so I left them out.
I saw this in the theater in 1982, when I was 12 years old. I can't even tell you how many times I've watched it since then. I can quote every line. Somehow, watching someone watch it for the first time brings the emotion back to the ending in a more powerful way than I was expecting. Thanks for sharing your first viewing with us, and letting us feel the emotions behind the lines once again.
My mom died suddenly yesterday. This was her favorite film in this franchise, and we always cried when Spock died at the end. Watching this along with you even in a short edit was comforting to my soul. God bless.
I'm so very sorry for your loss. Having lost my father and two of my best friends last year, I will say to be very kind to yourself, give yourself time to grieve and don't be afraid to ask others for help.
I’m so sorry. My family just learned earlier today our 91 year old mother is only going to live a day or two from now. Obviously we’re far more concerned about our 92 year old father, moving ahead despite his health being great. So, yes, this film, this reaction, and so many comments here we’ve seen mention loss and its unfortunate necessity, are full force for so many now (and no doubt decades prior). Love and light to you and yours. ❤️
Me too and when young would replay it over just for the music and the spacedock inspection and launch. Repeat of the Motion picture but done with better timing. And a differnt docking port.
Thank you for your wonderful take on my favorite Star Trek movie. A few years ago my closest friend of nearly 50 years passed. He was a HUGE Trekkie. Of course, his favorite character was Spock. For his eulogy, I read the line "of all the souls I have encountered in my travels, his was the most human." I miss you, Mike!
Sorry for your loss - it's obvious it hit you hard. No one gets to live forever but 50 years of true friendship is a pretty special gift...for you both.
I always felt Captain Terrell, who never met Admiral Kirk, had the willpower to not only resist, but sacrificed himself for a future he wouldn't enjoy. A true hero similar to Spock's sacrifice. Great reaction as always Cassie.😊
And he was played by Paul Winfield, a magnificent actor who was underappreciated in his own time. The role would not have worked half as well with any lesser actor. Winfield _sold_ it, embodying Terrell perfectly and making you feel like you'd always known him.
I think it was more than that. As a Starfleet captain to have witnessed Khan torture and murder the science team at Regula 1 without having intervened was a severe stain on his character that he was not willing to live with which gave him the strength to resist the order from Khan.
@@mnomadvfx I'm torn between the the possibilities. Was it that this was the first time Kahn wanted him to hurt and/or kill someone and this went against his beliefs and training as a Starfleet officer? Was it that he couldn't being himself to kill a legend? A role model for them all? A combination of both? It's difficult to say, but in any case, he serves as an example that there are things you can't force people to do against their will. Mind that does not include cases where a person's will is taken away and they get puppeteered like Captain by the in Star Trek: .
A great way of putting it. He knew deep down Kirk was the only hope, and took the Captain's path to make sure Khan was defeated. A true Starfleet hero.
“It was the best of times, it was the worst of times”, is the opening line to Charles Dickens’ “A Tale of Two Cities”, the book Spock gifted Kirk on his birthday. “It is a far, far better thing that I do, than I have ever done” is the last line from same book after a character sacrifices himself for the greater good. Always loved the way they spun that.
The sheer amount of quotable lines in this movie is just RHEE-donkulous: "Go? WHERE are we going?" "Where THEY went." "Suppose they went nowhere?" "Then, this will be your big chance to get away from it all." ♥
One of the things I loved about Star Trek, the series was how it presented me with nuggets of philosophy and literature. .. even, some science and astronomy. I kept a star map to mark off where they were going, checked referenced books... Even read Plato the first time while in High School.
I was 7 years old when my mom took me to see it in the theater with my older sister. When the movie ended, you could hear the entire theater sobbing, many people uncontrollably including myself. It is amazing how much emotions are amplified in large groups. After the movie while I was waiting on my mom and sister in the bathroom, 2 other ST2 movies ended, and everyone and mean everyone came out of the theaters were choked up and crying. I still tear up today when I watch it, and even teared up watching you react.
This movie... man, this movie gets me. Khan, Spock's death and Kirk's eulogy. Gold, pure gold. When Shatner's voice cracks during the eulogy, wow. He gets a lot of flack for his acting but that scene is a punch in the guts
@@jkdbuck7670 Nicholas Meyer had Shatner do take after take, because on the first takes he would over act and ham it up so much. He did enough takes that Shatner got tired and bored and did it more subtle.
Imagine those die-hard, hard core, Trekkies like me that saw this opening night in 1982! The tears flowed freely... The story arc of Star Trek II, III, and IV is what I consider the pinnacle, the peak, the best, of the Star Trek big-screen movies.
@@krashd Propaganda though it may be, IV is the highest-grossing of the Star Trek OG films. Also, the consensus I remember back in the day was that the odd-numbered Star Trek films were worse than the even-numbered ones.
@@krashd "Greenpeace propaganda" huh?? Is that what you think number 4 is? I don't know if I've ever heard number 4 bashed as nothing but "Greenpeace propaganda". I do know that I've heard a lot of people say number 4 is their favorite Star Trek movie. But then not everybody thinks of Greenpeace as a bad thing
I was a 70's kid, and I grew up on Star Trek. These guys were a part of my childhood. When I saw this movie as a teenager it wrecked me. Just like Kirk, I never experienced death like that.
One of the greatest long scenes in movie history - Spock and Jim, more than friends, more than brothers, bonded by and for life. Separated by a thin wall of plexi-glass in death. 40 years later I still cry.
True of the real-life friendship too, which is pretty amazing. Despite some of Shatner's coworkers not liking him, he and Nimoy were brothers to the end. That's pretty cool.
It's the Amazing Grace that does it for me, the transition from Scotty's lone bagpipe, to the full orchestra and Spock's torpedo shooting away into the new dawn
I recall vividly walking out of the theatre after seeing this in 1982 and having trouble walking because I couldn't stop crying about Spock's death. I've now seen this film dozens of times and I *STILL* tear up every time, especially when Scotty plays those bagpipes.
This film is a masterpiece. The acting, the writing, the directing, the effects, the music - all top notch. Plus the literary illusions (Moby Dick, Paradise Lost, A Tale of Two Cities) and the recurring themes of life & death, youth vs experience, no-win scenarios, friendship, & sacrifice make for a story that is both universal and timeless.
Exactly. Everything fits together, especially in the director's cut version, which clarifies that the cadet who died was Scotty's nephew. This makes his death more significant and adds a second thread of familial relations.
@@DoutsoldomeTrue. I know it's a gaff that he brings him to the bridge instead of right to sickbay, but I guess you could say that Scotty was just too upset and wasn't thinking clearly.
The THEMES are a masterpiece. The actual writing is pretty bad. Enough plot holes to qualify as a spaghetti strainer. But the direction and performances save the movie and make it an all-timer. This is the best performance of Shatner's career. And Meyer accomplished it by making do take after take until he was too tired to ham it up anymore.
I REALLY love the quotes from Moby Dick especially. The first substantial literary work I ever tackled, pretty ambitious for a third-grader. And it was GREAT. Made a damned fine Gregory Peck movie into the bargain. "From hell's heart, I STAB at thee. For hate's sake, I SPIT my last BREATH at thee!" Ironic how Khan knows the book so well, but learns NOTHING from it.
Ricardo Montalbán's chest was so impressive that for many years fans kept asking if it was prosthetics. But his chest was the result of endless hours in the gym. He'd always been a fitness enthusiast and when he was asked to reprise the role of Khan, he hit the gym even harder to look as impressive as possible.
Yeah, i remember reading that RM had this like rare genetic disease that affected his spine called AVM & the doctors at that time told him to eat well & exercise. it paid off. He lived to 88.
Holy crap. I remembered how much I loved this movie. And I remembered how it ended. But, maybe it's because I'm older now and have buried friends, it's more emotional than I'd remembered. I had tears running down my face. Damn, this movie got even better with age!
I think of many people too,the hook of the Movie is/was real,,i was a fan from bNd (tv->)till now and'v seen this more times than I can count But still get emotional at the end of This...🍺Cheers.
RIP James Horner. His Wrath of Khan score still gives me goosebumps all these years later. I almost wore out my Star Trek - The Astral Symphony cassette back in the day.
Not gonna lie...James Horner's music in this film boosts the movie from a 6.5/10 to a 9.5/10. The impact his music made on each scene acts as a turbo booster or catalyst of some astronomical level.
Absolutely. it is reminiscent of both the seas of earth and the seas of stars - one of the great themes in Space Opera science fiction was a comparison of both seas. Star Trek was inspired by Captain Hornblower series of books. This was the most ' military ship at sea' of the movies. I think that is why it is such an effective and effecting story. It is perfect for Star Trek -- Kirk quoting the poem somewhere (I think it was in an episode) "All I ask a tall ship and a star to steer her by" Sea Fever by John Masefield I must go down to the seas again, to the lonely sea and the sky, And all I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by; And the wheel’s kick and the wind’s song and the white sail’s shaking, And a grey mist on the sea’s face, and a grey dawn breaking. I must go down to the seas again, for the call of the running tide Is a wild call and a clear call that may not be denied; And all I ask is a windy day with the white clouds flying, And the flung spray and the blown spume, and the sea-gulls crying. I must go down to the seas again, to the vagrant gypsy life, To the gull’s way and the whale’s way where the wind’s like a whetted knife; And all I ask is a merry yarn from a laughing fellow-rover, And quiet sleep and a sweet dream when the long trick’s over.
Not just a classic Star Trek movie. Not just a classic sci-fi movie. This is just a straight-up classic movie, regardless of genre. I don't think there's a single wasted scene or line of dialogue in it. Every single moment serves a purpose in driving the plot forward in some way. I'll never get tired of watching this.
Agreed. I've seen it probably 200 times since I was a kid in the late 80s and we had it on VHS. It hits different now that I can appreciate the aging aspects, but even then I knew it was a great movie.
It's amazing that you understand the main trio better than the likes of JJ Abrams. Spock is the logical point of view, the pure logical endpoint. Bones is the emotional connection, putting what is moral above all. What is moral isn't always logical, what is logical isn't always moral. Kirk has these two friends that represent the extremes. It is up to him to determine where on that scale he needs to be to accomplish the mission. Kirk wouldn't be the leader he is without these two confidants. In the JJ Abrams universe, he completely misses the mark. JJ makes Spock emotional, Bones a hypochondriac, and Kirk more of a superhero who doesn't need the other two. But here you are, watching just a few episodes, and two movies and you understand how the trio works. Star Trek isn't Star Trek without this balance. That's what makes it special.
The books mentioned in this film, "A Tale of Two Cities" and "Moby Dick", are integral to "Wrath of Khan". One book is about sacrifice to help others, the other is about revenge.
It’s pretty much moby dick in space. Khan (ahab) wants revenge on the white whale (Kirk/the enterprise). Instead of “thar she blows”! He says “there she is!”
As to Vulcan, this was the first time the language was really spoken or used heavily. Marc Okrand crafted the start of the language and later expanded it. Marc is also the creator of the Klingon language, which he mostly had to flesh out for Star Trek III. He later published the official Klingon dictionary and guides. Savvik is Kirstie Alley who was most noted for her role on the series Cheers. She is referred to as Mister as in the Navy/Coast Guard lower ranks can be referenced by rank, rank and last name, mister and last name, or just mister. This is still the practice today.
@nicksterj oops yeah had to go check, it was my memory of it. I think because it kind of sounds like it. But yeah in ST2 they spoke the lines in english on set, then dubbed it later. So I think that's what I was remembering. But it sounds kind of weird because of the dubbing.
Marc Okrand's research at UC Berkeley was centered around Native American languages. Although Klingon has some features that are considered impossible in human languages (for example, it has voiced /v/ but without voiceless counterpart /f/), a lot of the syntax does resemble some Native American languages, including Mutsun. But yeah, Vulcan never really got the love that Klingon did -- to my knowledge, it is still not a full conlang.
The director's cut version has some aditional scenes that explain that the cadet who died was Scotty's nephew. This detail really ads to the story, in my view.
Also the book explained Khan's twisted mind believed Kirk was promoted because he beat Khan. That's why he was always so sarcastic with the "Admiral" line
Yes, I always thought it was a bit odd that Scottie carried a cadet to the bridge but it made more sense after seeing that cut. Wish they would have found a way to keep that in and maybe lose the Regula rat and a few other non essential clips.
Are you sure? She didn't show it here but Scotty tells Kirk that his nephew stayed at his post while the other cadets panicked. I am pretty sure that I have seen this scene every time that I have seen this movie, usually the TV version.
Watching the genesis (see what I did there) of a girl who has only watched chick-flicks into a full fledged sci-fi fan crying over the death of Spock has been wonderful. What a journey. I love this channel.
The thing that really gets to me is that as much as I love this movie, it was made so long ago now that of the primary roles, only the actors that played Kirk, Chekov, Sulu, and Joachim (Khan's first mate) are still alive, and all are very up in years now. It's seriously been 42 years since this came out, and that makes me feel old.
False. The Motion Picture had already ensured a future for Star Trek. That's why there was a sequel. Wrath of Khan just cemented it by being a much more profitable and entertaining film.
I also watched it in 82, and Empire in 1980. I mean, guys, don't forget that the success of Star Wars really helped out Star Trek, too. Althought Trek 1 was a fine movie, I'd say it was a bit off target, whereas Khan was a direct hit. So were the 3 Star Wars movies. Too bad they never made any more Star Wars movie after that. I bet they would have been amazing!
@@docsavage8640 I'm sorry but you're just dead wrong. @eschiedler nailed it. Star Trek The Motion Picture only barely turned a profit and was considered a disappointment at the box office. They were literally scrounging for costumes and pinching penny's to make Wrath of Khan. Had it failed, there never would have been a third film or likely ever a TNG.
On these reactions to movies I've seen a dozen times, I'm surprised how emotional I get seeing how emotional they get seeing it for the first time. It really is like reliving that first experience. Thanks for a great reaction, Cassie.
22:56 In the extended edition, this young engineer is identified as Peter Preston and Scotty’s nephew. He is the youngest child of Scotty’s sister. In the tie-in novel it was revealed that Savvik was his tutor at the academy.
The novel also tells us that Saavik is half-Romulan, which accounts for her brief displays of emotion here and there. In the sequel, Star Trek III, Robin Curtis plays her as full Vulcan.
The extra scenes were also in the TV broadcasts, which also included different camera angles like in the elevator conversation between Savik and Kirk, extended dialogue of Chekhov and Dr Marcus, etc.
@@porflepopnecker4376 brief displays of emotion and total hotness too! 🤤 I was about 7 or 8 years old being exposed to Kirstie Alley on Cheers and Star Trek II...my dumb little boy self totally fell in love with her. May she rest in peace, wish I could have told her how I felt, but I never was a good enough dancer to get on a TV reality show.
There are a lot of claims to that title, but since Star Wars, Alien and Westworld all came out in the 1970s, and Star War's success got Star Trek 1 made, it’s absolutely not something that belongs to this film. It also wasn’t terribly ambiguous CGI for 1982: Tron came out 5 weeks later.
@@Parallax-3D The computer graphics of Star Wars, Alien and Westworld are all CGI. I’ve been to the lab that did the CGI for Alien, incredibly advanced for its time. The Death Star plans graphic zooming in on the exhaust port; CGI. The computer screens on the Nostromo; CGI. The computer screens in the command bunker in Westworld; CGI.
According to the web: "Star Trek II" Includes the First Completely Computer-Generated (CGI) Cinematic Image Sequence in a Feature Film (1982). I originally commented that Westworld was the first movie to use CGI but this is more specific which I think the conversation was missing. Details play a large role here.
When my father was dying, he changed personality completely, he tried to create a distance between him and others , even his family. He was a religious man who became fixated on the life after. He didnt need anything from us anymore. Death can change people in that way. May be it was the same for LN? Maybe pain relief and medication changed him? Probably not my place to speculate. Love them both dearly.
Not only the best Star Trek, but a true all-time great of science fiction. Kirk’s struggle with aging is universal enough that even non-fans can enjoy this movie. I never get tired of watching it.
In my view the best is still the first one. More sci fi, more Adventure, more philosophy. The second one is full of plot holes actually. But surely is the one that I would recommend to a newbie.
The Reliant attack is one of my favourite scenes ever. The music themes building, the back and forth and shots ever closing in. This really builds the tension. Definitely my favourite Trek score. In the extended cut the young boy is Scott's nephew.
I introduced my 13 year old daughter to OG Star Trek. We watched every episode and I got to relive my childhood through her. She loved it so much that as soon as i got home from work she demanded the next episode; I had to force her to show me her finished homework before I'd watch one. Then we got to this movie. She cried for hours when Spock died, then wouldn't talk to me for 3 days because I let her suffer that without warning her. It took me almost a month to convince her to watch Star Trek III. Seeing your pain and denial reminds me of hers. And, FWIW, my own pain walking out of the theater in 1982. At that time I had two cats named Kirk and Spock, so, well, you can imagine how much of a fan I was.
"Wrath of Khan" IS Star Trek's "Empire Strikes Back!!"🔙 It just doesn't get any better!!(even though some of the following, like Search for Spock are kinda great👍) Especially if you're an Original Series Fan, the way Spock dies just rips your heart out!!! And KHAN is acted to perfection by Montalban!!... I could probably binge watch Star Trek 2/Wrath of Khan, three times back to back and not get sick of it🤢... IT'S THAT GOOD!!!! 😮
I love when you laughed at Kahn when he took off his cloak. There was a huge debate for years on weather or not it was prosthetic makeup. In the director’s commentary in the special edition DVD, Nicholas Meyer is quoted as saying that it was, in fact, Montalban’s actual chest, and Ricardo Mantalbon said on a Tonight Show interview that he got in shape be doing hundreds of push-ups!
I'm a nerd in his late 50s who grew up with "Star Trek" and all its permutations. It was touching to see your reaction to this excellent movie, glad to see that you're as moved as us life-long Trekkies. Many fans will agree that this is arguably the 'best' of the Star Trek movies, but I hope you continue to watch them all, and we'll be watching you watching! 😜
@@ninjabearpress2574 well that would be accurate since there hasn't been any Star Trek since before 2009. The last Star Trek movie was I think Nemesis in 2002 and the last Star Trek show was Enterprise which ended in 2005. So ya, DUH! of course it's better than any Star Trek stuff Paramount has been pumping out since 2009! 😉
"Kahn? I'm laughing at the superior intellect." ABSOLUTE MEGA BURN!!! The delivery of that line makes me grin from ear to ear every time I hear it. Great reaction to a classic movie, thanks for that.
The true mega burn is when Saavik states her perturbed impression of Kirk as - "He's so...human" To which Spock retorts - "No one is perfect" as to say, he sees in humans an art Vulcans have lost, something that actually gives them an edge, makes them superior to Vulcan logic philosophy, somewhere in the middle, balanced between they and Romulans, is just the right amount of emotion, passion, love, irrational impulse, fear, forgiveness.
32:25 - I always loved how Kirk reacts when he sees its the Reliant straight ahead. Calls for Evasive starboard and also turns his chair to the right like he was trying to will the ship himself to turn hard starboard as fast as possible to try to avoid being hit by phaser fire. Loved these little nuances in the film!
Khan is one of the best villains of all time. This is the BEST Star Trek movie. The layers and themes, and quotes from A Tale of Two Cities, and Moby Dick are so excellently done.
I put 2 and 6 as almost too close to call which is better largely due to the fact that both were primarily written by director of both films, Nicholas Meyer.
@MiketheratguyMultimedia Pretty good for someone who knew nothing about Star Trek before being asked by Harve Bennett to direct and then rewrite this film and go on to write on 4 and 6. When Bennett explained to Meyer that Roddenberry's original concept for Kirk was Captain Hornblower, Nick got it. He is one of the most literate writers ever to work on Trek and is totally responsible for all the great literary allusions. I would dare to say that Nick Meyer's contributions to the 80's films is a big reason why Star Trek got popular enough to continue on thru the first 6 films and helped make sure TNG got made and the franchise survived until the prolific 90's.
It's a beautiful movie with an unforgettable, yet very heartbreaking ending. Kirk may have failed the no-win scenario as a cadet, but he passed it for REAL this time. Spock, who never took the KM test also passed by giving up his very life in order to save not just the Enterprise, but his dear friend, Jim. "Greater love has no man than this, that he give up his life for his friends." A great truth and a great premise. And, yes, the bagpipes made me cry as well. Thanks for this viewing, Cass. Isn't it a great movie?
Yeah, I remembered rumors leaked about Spock dying in this one while filming so they added the scene at the beginning where they all "died" in the no-win test and even had Kirk say "Aren't you dead?" That way people assumed the death of Spock leaks were only of that scene and didn't expect it at the end.
@@roberttoews2775 Well, it was kind of obvious that there would be a sequel after we see Spock's coffin on the Genesis planet. And when the third movie was called The Search for Spock, was anyone surprised that they actually found him?
I was depressed from the end of Star Trek II until I saw the six foot standee for The Search For Spock at my local theatre with Spocks face outlined, the first sign for me that Spock was coming back. I was 12 years old.
@Wizardofgosz there's always gotta be that one guy!!!! That one guy that has to make himself feel so macho by being a smarta$$ towards another person giving someone a nice compliment cause Lord forbid ppl show gracious humanity in this world. I will 🙏 for u that u can accept ur faults one day amd discover humility!
@@jenloveshorror I'm just baffled by the idea that people get paid money to sit around and watch television. I recognize that RUclips allows that opportunity but it seems so strange to me.
@@Wizardofgosz sorry if I sounded kinda harsh, but I just assumed everyone knew that's how you tube works. Once they reach a certain # of subs then yt starts paying them to air their content. I don't know the exact specs, but for ex let's say they reach 10,000 & they get their copyright to air approved then yt gives them x amt of $s. Then they reach 100,000 & $ amt vastly increases. Amd at some point, ads will start to show up as part of their agreement to air on yt. I'm pretty sure they are not able to say what sorts of ads, but I was told that does start at I think 20 or 50K. Then if they wanna air certain mature content they have to try and obtain "sponsors". Once they get sponsors, they can show more scenes of graphic nature or language. I know there is alot more to it, but that's my basic understanding as my son at one time wanted to do a reaction channel & looked into all the "rules". I can also think of a few kids channels that literally went from 0 bucks to making well over 6 figures. Ryan's world is a big one. Heck, that kid now has deals at Walmart for his own toy line & his fam is set for life I'm sure & it all started from him just opening and viewing new toys for kids. Basically imo if I could get paid amd ppl liked my comments then absolutely I'd try and make a living out of it. If your not having fun or enjoying ur job, then it's time for a new career cause we only got one life & u only get one chance to make it a good one.🙂
@@ForceMaximus84 Seriously, a Khan vs Gruber duel of flattery and threats on a Nakatomi Plaza-shaped starcruiser is worthy of a 10 episode limited series. Make it animated to avoid weird CGI, and spend generously on the best voice acting performances of all time...
@@ForceMaximus84 Hans was also a former member of a group of terrorists yet he and his team were funded well and brought arms to the building. Khan was able to get his crew off the planet and force the captain to give him command of the Reliant and put a beating on the Enterprise. So both men did such evils in their respective movies. The two villains definitely left a mark.
I've seen this movie dozens of times. When it came out, I was 16, and it was a damn good adventure story. Later, I was a Marine, and I learned leadership lessons from Kirk and Spock, and had to ask some youngsters to grow up sooner than they'd expected. A bit after that, I realized I was identifying too closely with Khan, and that I needed to get help. Still later, Kirk telling Saavik "You need to know WHY things work on a starship" taught me the value of understanding that choices made early in system design are important, because they determine how and why the system will work--or not. The storyline of Kirk aging and his relationship with Carol Marcus illuminated some of my feelings as I grew older. It helped me realize that I've made some mistakes in my life, and I've sought to make amends as best I can. Now, in my late 50s, my wife is in long-term care; this is the long good-bye. Now . . . the Kobayashi Maru scenario really hits home. It's an amazing film that still is relevant 42 years later because it's not about spaceships going pew-pew-pew; it's about people facing the test of life.
This former marine just sent a prayer your way Ken. I hope your wife passes quietly and in peace. I'm sure with your and your families love she will be happy and in peace.
I met Ricardo Montalban when I was in high school and one of our courtyards got turned into Fantasy Island. I was a skinny nerdy kid and he was huge. His voice was full and powerful, believe me mixed sound on a microphone cannot do his voice projection justice. When they shot his scenes you really got the sense of how well prepared he was and how intensely he took his acting, even a simple TV show like Fantasy Island. The scenes they did also had a young actor, and I got to see him work with a child.
The female Vulcan in the beginning is played by Kirsty Alley: she is known for her role as Rebecca Howe on cheers. She is brought on in season 6 replacing Diane/Shelly Long who wanted to pursue a movie career. she is also the star of the movie "Look Who's Talking" co-starring John Travolta and the voice of Bruce Willis as the son.
36:02 It’s very plausible Kahn saw the Enterprise entering warp on the Reliant view screen in the last seconds of his life and knew he had failed to take his revenge.
His name was Paul Winfield. He was nominated for an Academy Award for the movie *Sounder* (1972) and as a television actor won an Emmy and was nominated for an Emmy on two other occasions. And he was the guest star and focal point of one of the top TV episodes of all time within the Star Trek franchise, the TNG fifth-season episode "Darmok".
That opening with the tribbles in the microwave and the side by side with the tribbles in the replicator got me, that was great. So glad you're enjoyed this. Star Trek is excellent fun. Welcome aboard Trekkie. Live long and prosper eh. :)
That was a great reaction!! It hit you hard and you only met them a month ago. Imagine having watched TOS in reruns at every opportunity for a decade then getting the motion picture followed by this one that took us back to Space Seed. The end of this movie was gut wrenching in the theatre and still has the same impact after 40 years! 🇨🇦🖖
@@datacipher DeForest Kelly was to Star Trek movies what Bill Murray was to Ghostbusters. Owned every scene they were in thanks to great writing and impeccable delivery.
@@stevencramsie9172 yes he was a magnetic actor. He could be over-the-top in manner but somehow still make it seem realistic and nuanced! Even though he was one of the big 3 he had few lines compared to Kirk and Spock but he made them count. I think of little moments from the series where 5 seconds of bones expanded his character greatly. Like when khan held a blade to his throat. Montalban had all that intensity and charisma but deforest absolutely matched him and gave it right back, and in his steely-eyed, calm response we saw that McCoy was as brave and tough a man as there is when needed. Great character snd great actor.
For context, the character Saavik was written as being a half Vulcan, half Romulan ( a genetic cousin species of Vulcans without the emotional suppression or mental abilities) who was born on a harsh abandoned planet called Hellguard. Spock found her as a savage yet highly intelligent child living in squalor, and arranged for her to be educated. As such, she’s prone to intense emotions like a typical Romulan but keeps her emotional instability in check using the emotional training he taught her.
@@captainjefferies9047 SMH, yes they do. Romulans like Vulcans, learned to channel their emotions with mental focus and discipline; only instead of suppressing it with logic, they embraced cold and calculating behavior, and a level of cultural distrust for one another bordering on paranoia. Any emotion can be intense, not just violent ones.
@@MainframeMilitia You being redundantly wrong is no way to save face. Romulan characters are repeatedly show to be no more or less emotional than humans. Your theory is baseless.
Romulans and Vulcans are canonically related populations of the same original species - Romulans left the Vulcan homeworld during the time when Surak was preaching the ways of logic and suppression of their passions, which means the problem existed for both, since they were the same population at the time, so yes it exists for Romulans too. Iirc Romulans were a group that rejected the teachings of Surak and left for a new homeworld as a way of resolving that conflict. This is covered in Star Trek: Enterprise (where the soon-to-be-Romulans are described as "Those who marched beneath the raptor's wings" during their time on Vulcan). It's possible that Romulans have found a different way of channelling their intense emotions (or they suppress them in front of outsiders as part of their general culture of secrecy, rather than all the time the way Vulcans do - it's not like we tend to see how Romulans act on their homeworld), or it's possible that the Vulcans' policy of constant emotional suppression means they end up even bursting out even more intensely when that control fails (such as during ponn farr). Unless you're arguing that Romulans have literally evolved weaker emotions during the roughly 2,000 years since they left Vulcan (which doesn't seem very plausible for a species as long-lived as Vulcans. It takes orders of magnitude longer than that for humans to undergo significant evolutionary changes, and we produce new generations much more frequently than Vulcans do, which means we would evolve faster from a biological standpoint).
@@hypercube8735 You are terrible at logic. Having been part of the same species at one point doesn't mean they are still the same. they speciated a long time ago. That's established when that quarter Romulan kid gets found out in TNG. Romulans also don't exhibit Vulcan's super strength. " it's not like we tend to see how Romulans act on their homeworld" It's shown several times. They show emotion regularly, the kind of emotion that would ruin a Vulcan's career. "which doesn't seem very plausible" There is your mistake. Vulcans have mastered genetic engineering. Spock is a product of it. It's perfectly reasonable that a people who spent generations travelling through space looking for a homeworld would use it on themselves or that it was the Vulcans that used it on themselves to make them stronger after the Romulans left. If you think humans are going to be genetically the same in 2000 years that's adorable. Not only that, but evolution comes from mutation and radiation causes mutation. It's reasonable to believe that Vulcans traveling through space would adapt much faster than ones who did not. Vulcans and Romulans are not the same species.
Still my favorite film from the TOS crew. There weren't too many dry eyes in the theatre when the Spock death scene happened. Everyone was at the top of their game in this film.
Kirk is canonically 49 years old, about the same as Shatner, in this movie. Hard to believe I'm that age now and I saw this in the movie theater so long ago. Hits much harder when you're more mature and understand more of the scenes about aging.
1982 a great year for movies ! I remember watching E.T in one theater at 7pm then going to another theater down the road to watch the 10pm showing of Star Trek II That was just two movies in the summer of 82.
It was also the same year of Blade Runner, Gandhi, First Blood (Rambo), Poltergheist, Sophie's Choice and Pink Floyd - The Movie. It makes me sad when I think of the current state of cinema.
There's a great quote from Nicholas Meyer, who directed the film regarding Kirstie Allie, who played Saavik. You can see her crying during Spock's funeral. "Then, at the other end of it, there she was at Spock's funeral, weeping. I remember somebody came running up to me and said, 'Are you going to let her do that?' And I said, 'Yeah.' And they said, 'But Vulcans don't cry', and I said, 'Well, that's what makes this such an interesting Vulcan.'"
I can never, EVER watch Spock's death and funeral service without tears, especially when Kirk's voice cracks at the end. The fact that it had such an impact on Cassie, even though she's new to Star Trek, makes me so happy. So looking forward to continuing to watch her journey through the films.
At 21:30, this is Bluetooth, 25 years before Bluetooth was invented. We can only suppose that a starship’s helm & weapons stations are hooked to the actual ship’s systems wirelessly, by Bluetooth. In order to keep other ships from “doing what we are attempting to do”, each command is proceeded by the ship’s prefix code. Since Kirk is an admiral, the commandant of Starfleet Academy, and the former Fleet Commander, he had access to Reliant’s prefix codes, and used Enterprise’s systems to turn off Reliant’s systems.
All Trekkies (Star Trek fans) were devastated, as was I. Not a dry eye in the theater. Knowing Genesis was life from death gave us hope. Trekkies loved these characters, and I’m a little surprised you got as attached as you did, but it’s easy to see why. You have a big heart. Another great reaction Cassie
Shatner, Nimoy, and Kelley were really good at getting across the esssence of their characters in a short amount of time. One get's a feeling for who they are, their relationship dynamics, very quickly.
I am filled with joy whenever I see a RUclipsr react to this film. Just about every reaction I've seen has people either in tears, or absolutely floored by Spock's heroic sacrifice, who is arguably the greatest character in all of Science Fiction. An absolutely fantastic film; with great writing, an exceptional villain, and terrific performances from the cast. Keep up the Trek reactions, Cassie; this is only the beginning...
If I remember correctly, Nimoy wanted Spock to die to exit the franchise. But by the time they got to his death scene, he had second thoughts. Someone had the idea (possibly Nimoy) of the "remember" scene, and they shot it on the spot. Then the coffin scene on the planet was added later. Apparently Nicolas Meyer didn't like those additions as it undermined Spock's death, but that's what Nimoy wanted and certainly what the audience wanted.
@@ruadhrose No. He could have directed WITHOUT having the character Spock alive, for cryin' out loud. The only reason he got to direct is because Nicholas Meyer didn't want to after his ending to II got changed. (Moreover, Nimoy said from his own lips that he want to do II to explicitly kill off Spock so he wouldn't have to play him anymore. But by the time he got to the death scene, he had second thoughts. It wouldn't have mattered either way if he wanted to DIRECT.)
Nimoy was so dissatisfied with the Motion Picture that he insisted Spock die in TWOK, but shooting TWOK was such a different and positive experience that he reconsidered. This is all in his book and one of Shatner's books at the very least. Getting Nimoy to helm 3 and 4 was a bonus!
I heard a slightly different version. At the wrap party after completion of principle photography (and before pickups) Nimoy told Harve Bennett that he was looking forward to the next film.
82 in hindsight was a pretty awesome summer for movies. This, E.T., Blade Runner, The Thing, Rocky III and Tron. I think even Mad Max 2, aka The Road Warrior, debuted in the U.S. that summer as well.
This and part 3 and by far the best in the franchise. James Horner did an amazing job with the score. He makes every movie he scored better. When Scotty says “He’s dead already.” That still hits hard.
Also Fun Fact: James Horner also did the music score for Aliens; that's why they sound do very similar. It's like Speed and Bad Boys. Both were scored by Mark Mancina
21:10 now I hope you understand where they got the idea for _Galaxy Quest_ where Serris demands from Commander Taggart the device they call _Omega 13._
My favorite piece of trivia: At 30:46, the crewman on the far right (closest to the camera) is James Horner, who composed the score. He was a huge Star Trek fan and he asked for a cameo in the film. 😊
This might be the first time I remember crying at a movie harder than Cassie did, though I was nine years old at the time. I was bawling so hard that I think my mom was genuinely concerned, and let me stay up late just to watch the next one. Great job as always Cassie. I'm running out of favorite movies to anticipate, thanks for watching yet another one!
Star Trek mastered the ability to convey character with very little. We got immediately who these people were and what they meant to each other by the way they acted and the few words they did say
Spock’s death is probably the most gut-wrenching scene I’ve watched in science fiction - “No, I am your father!” being the biggest, most shocking surprise - and I really enjoy reliving the scene through fresh eyes. Also, “HELLO! 😮” is the funniest part of this video.
23:01 The dying boy that Scotty brought to the bridge, it never said in the movie, but in the novel that was Scotty's nephew....and they last spoke angrily to each other, which added to Scotty's grief and guilt. 36:03: "Did Khan get to see that?" In a cut scene he did.
It was added back in, along with other cut scenes for the Blu-ray, but I found this edit... the one most of us grew up with on TV, VHS and DVD to be better... there's a reason they trimmed these scenes down.@@s.erikschulman8487
34:11 The sauce for the goose is also good for the gander. Reliant had the technical advantage in regular space. In the nebula with both ships without shields and effective sensors, the ships are on an even field.
At time Interval 9:38 Khan said "I never forget a face. Chekov": Here is the problem, Chekov (Walter Koenig) was not on the show in season. Since Space Seed was Season 1, Episode 22
Released in 1982, which many call the greatest year in cinema history. Blade Runner The Thing Wrath of Khan Rambo E.T Conan the Barbarian 48 Hours Officer and A Gentlemen Poltergeist The list goes on... so many iconic movies that year.
1989 was one of those years too: Batman, The Burbs, Indiana Jones & the Last Crusade, Field of Dreams, Christmas Vacation, Uncle Buck, Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure, The Little Mermaid, My Left Foot, When Harry Met Sally, Dead Poets Society, even more...
1984 would like a word with you... Indiana Jones & The Temple of Doom Ghostbusters The Terminator Gremlins The Karate Kid Footloose Splash Police Academy Romancing the Stone and of course... Star Trek III The Search For Spock! A case could also be made for 1999 too. Most film historians however point to 1939 as being the greatest year in cinema.
My vote goes to 1994... Shawshank Redemption Forrest Gump Pulp Fiction Dumb & Dumber Speed The Lion King Clear & Present Danger True Lies Ace Ventura: Pet Detective Leon: The Professional Quiz Show Hoop Dreams
Hey there! I am a lifelong Trekkie, so I grew up with these movies. It is really refreshing to watch you discover them for the first time! I love your reactions and your analysis as you go. That Spock death scene STILL tears (and tears) me up every single time. The Motion Picture and The Wrath of Khan are like my kids... I can't choose a favorite. They each have their strengths and weaknesses. I will keep watching! On to Search!!! For that guy you want to not be dead. 😊
I remember seeing this when it first appeared in the theaters. The music alone still sends goose-bumps up and down my body! Montalban was absolutely *EPIC* in this Character and his return!
I remember how the crowd cheered madly when Joachim told Khan, "Sir...our shields are dropping!" And when Kirk said, "Fire!", it brought the house down!
I still get choked up during this movie. I remember seeing this when I was 11 years old, I went with my friends Sean & Danny Ahern, their dad took us to see it on Fort Meade. I tried so hard to not have anyone see me cry. When I finally got home & sat in my bed, I let it out. This is an ALL TIME classic. I’m glad you've seen it now.
Kirstie Alley is the other Vulcan….she was great! She proved that Vulcans can show emotion….her tears for Spock & Kirk’s reaction to Spock’s funeral made for a VERY emotional & lovely scene there….RIP Kirstie Alley 😑
Also her backstory, in addition to the “part Romulan” she was also a foundling, found by Spock on some mission after the original 5 year one. Then he sort of adopted her but had his parents do most of her raising but still stood by her as a father figure which I believe also contributed to her emotional response at his funeral. What child wouldn’t get upset at the death of their parent, even adopted…. even Vulcan. Of course, for time, all that background was not even mentioned in the movies.
I’m a dude and even I, “WHAT?!” at Montalban's physique. The more so because this was not prosthetic make-up or 300-style CGI. That was ALL him, and at age 62!!
Montalban always did his best to stay in shape. Cassie's "Hello!" is the best Khan reaction ever!😄
Pretty sure that's Montalban's 62-year-old genetically superior bare chest.
According to Wikipedia: For many years, Montalban followed a strict diet and physical training regimen, giving him an enviable physique. After the release of The Wrath of Khan, director Nicholas Meyer was quick to quell any rumors of Montalbán's using prosthetics during filming.
@@crairdinIts been confirmed by the Director and many of his costars that yes Montalban was THAT ripped for the filming of Wrath, and he was 61 at the time.
@@memnarch129I still have a hard time believing he was 47 in Space Seed.
@@hisdudeness8328 He was a leading man in the 1940's. He was one of the original singers for the song "Baby it's Cold Outside".... and it is very cold, in spaaaace.
In the theater there were thousands of moviegoers barely holding it together and then when it was Spock’s voice-not Kirk’s-that narrated those famous words, “Space, the final frontier. These are the voyages…” and everyone just lost it. Openly crying their eyes out having lost their beloved comrade. It was the most emotional experience I have ever seen in a theatrical event.
What's funny about that is that Spock's "Space, the final frontier" voiceover was meant to assure people that Spock was coming back in the next film. That, coupled with the shots of his casket being bathed in sunlight, was intended to give audiences hope that it wasn't over for him. That people saw it as a final goodbye and reacted with grief is a mark of how much Spock was loved, and how much that death, however temporary, was like a knife to the gut. I don't think co-writer/director Nicholas Meyer (who was denied script credit) or producer/-co-writer Harve Bennett had any idea just how much that death scene was going to hurt, or how much impact the film would still have even years later.
They must have felt gypped when he was resurrected in the next film.
Just shows everything whats wrong with all these remakes and sequels. They just focus on pandering to the fans with these moments and don't actually create a compelling, interesting narrative. Most of them should have never been made but they are anyway because they know the fans will throw money at them no matter how bad they are.
@@reidmason2551 They didn't mean for it to assure them. Leonard Nimoy was considering being done with Star Trek, they wrote him out, but left it open in case he was convinced not to leave. I wrote more, but it included spoilers, so I left them out.
I know I was relatively choked up having grown up with the series
I saw this in the theater in 1982, when I was 12 years old. I can't even tell you how many times I've watched it since then. I can quote every line. Somehow, watching someone watch it for the first time brings the emotion back to the ending in a more powerful way than I was expecting. Thanks for sharing your first viewing with us, and letting us feel the emotions behind the lines once again.
My mom died suddenly yesterday. This was her favorite film in this franchise, and we always cried when Spock died at the end. Watching this along with you even in a short edit was comforting to my soul. God bless.
I'm sorry for your loss.
I'm so very sorry for your loss. Having lost my father and two of my best friends last year, I will say to be very kind to yourself, give yourself time to grieve and don't be afraid to ask others for help.
I’m so sorry. My family just learned earlier today our 91 year old mother is only going to live a day or two from now.
Obviously we’re far more concerned about our 92 year old father, moving ahead despite his health being great.
So, yes, this film, this reaction, and so many comments here we’ve seen mention loss and its unfortunate necessity, are full force for so many now (and no doubt decades prior).
Love and light to you and yours. ❤️
Damn.So Sorry
My condolences, internet friend. I wish you strength and fortitude. ❤
Even though I've probably seen this film 30 times, I still get tears in my eyes at the end!
I never tire of this film and couldn't count how many times I've watched it.
Me too and when young would replay it over just for the music and the spacedock inspection and launch. Repeat of the Motion picture but done with better timing. And a differnt docking port.
Me too...
every time.
Same here.
Thank you for your wonderful take on my favorite Star Trek movie. A few years ago my closest friend of nearly 50 years passed. He was a HUGE Trekkie. Of course, his favorite character was Spock. For his eulogy, I read the line "of all the souls I have encountered in my travels, his was the most human." I miss you, Mike!
Sorry for your loss - it's obvious it hit you hard. No one gets to live forever but 50 years of true friendship is a pretty special gift...for you both.
I was just done crying over the Spock funeral and then I read this and cried even harder. My condolonces.
My best friend died too. We loved this movie. I'm so sorry for your loss. Once you know that friendship... You just get those final scenes. ❤
I always felt Captain Terrell, who never met Admiral Kirk, had the willpower to not only resist, but sacrificed himself for a future he wouldn't enjoy. A true hero similar to Spock's sacrifice. Great reaction as always Cassie.😊
And he was played by Paul Winfield, a magnificent actor who was underappreciated in his own time. The role would not have worked half as well with any lesser actor. Winfield _sold_ it, embodying Terrell perfectly and making you feel like you'd always known him.
I think it was more than that.
As a Starfleet captain to have witnessed Khan torture and murder the science team at Regula 1 without having intervened was a severe stain on his character that he was not willing to live with which gave him the strength to resist the order from Khan.
@@mnomadvfx I'm torn between the the possibilities. Was it that this was the first time Kahn wanted him to hurt and/or kill someone and this went against his beliefs and training as a Starfleet officer? Was it that he couldn't being himself to kill a legend? A role model for them all? A combination of both?
It's difficult to say, but in any case, he serves as an example that there are things you can't force people to do against their will.
Mind that does not include cases where a person's will is taken away and they get puppeteered like Captain by the in Star Trek: .
A great way of putting it. He knew deep down Kirk was the only hope, and took the Captain's path to make sure Khan was defeated. A true Starfleet hero.
He did something similar in Terminator 1
“It was the best of times, it was the worst of times”, is the opening line to Charles Dickens’ “A Tale of Two Cities”, the book Spock gifted Kirk on his birthday. “It is a far, far better thing that I do, than I have ever done” is the last line from same book after a character sacrifices himself for the greater good. Always loved the way they spun that.
It was a clever contrast with Khan, who was quoting Captain Ahab from Moby Dick.
Miles O'Brien's mother's favorite book😂
@@Redshirt434 O'Brien was a total badass...if you count the Cardassian war, he probably has a higher kill count than Worf. 😅
The sheer amount of quotable lines in this movie is just RHEE-donkulous:
"Go? WHERE are we going?"
"Where THEY went."
"Suppose they went nowhere?"
"Then, this will be your big chance to get away from it all."
♥
One of the things I loved about Star Trek, the series was how it presented me with nuggets of philosophy and literature. .. even, some science and astronomy. I kept a star map to mark off where they were going, checked referenced books... Even read Plato the first time while in High School.
I was 7 years old when my mom took me to see it in the theater with my older sister. When the movie ended, you could hear the entire theater sobbing, many people uncontrollably including myself. It is amazing how much emotions are amplified in large groups.
After the movie while I was waiting on my mom and sister in the bathroom, 2 other ST2 movies ended, and everyone and mean everyone came out of the theaters were choked up and crying.
I still tear up today when I watch it, and even teared up watching you react.
This movie... man, this movie gets me. Khan, Spock's death and Kirk's eulogy. Gold, pure gold. When Shatner's voice cracks during the eulogy, wow. He gets a lot of flack for his acting but that scene is a punch in the guts
I was sobbing at the end. I just couldn't handle Spock's death.
Now take that feeling and watch the Kirk death scene in Star Trek: Into Darkness lol
Yes. Shatner under-acts it. There's something to be said for subtlety and Shatner nailed it.
@@jkdbuck7670 Nicholas Meyer had Shatner do take after take, because on the first takes he would over act and ham it up so much. He did enough takes that Shatner got tired and bored and did it more subtle.
@@squirrelsinjacket1804we don't discuss the jar jar abrams trek movies
Imagine those die-hard, hard core, Trekkies like me that saw this opening night in 1982! The tears flowed freely... The story arc of Star Trek II, III, and IV is what I consider the pinnacle, the peak, the best, of the Star Trek big-screen movies.
Except many people consider the third movie to be crap and the fourth one to be Greenpeace propaganda.
Many people are quite stupid. II, III and IV are a near perfect trilogy.
Definitely agree 2,3,4 is a great arc. 2,4 & 6 are my favorites
@@krashd Propaganda though it may be, IV is the highest-grossing of the Star Trek OG films.
Also, the consensus I remember back in the day was that the odd-numbered Star Trek films were worse than the even-numbered ones.
@@krashd "Greenpeace propaganda" huh?? Is that what you think number 4 is? I don't know if I've ever heard number 4 bashed as nothing but "Greenpeace propaganda". I do know that I've heard a lot of people say number 4 is their favorite Star Trek movie.
But then not everybody thinks of Greenpeace as a bad thing
I was a 70's kid, and I grew up on Star Trek. These guys were a part of my childhood. When I saw this movie as a teenager it wrecked me. Just like Kirk, I never experienced death like that.
Extra thankful for Roe Roddengarten and his writing in this one!
Hilarious
The man’s a legend! Doesn’t get nearly enough credit
It was actually written by Harve Bennett and Jack B. Sowards. Roe Roddengarten only created the world and characters.
that guy is the GOAT. :-P
@@Osprey850 Final script was written (uncredited) by Nicholas Meyer, based on previous drafts by Bennett, Sowards and others.
One of the greatest long scenes in movie history - Spock and Jim, more than friends, more than brothers, bonded by and for life. Separated by a thin wall of plexi-glass in death. 40 years later I still cry.
True of the real-life friendship too, which is pretty amazing. Despite some of Shatner's coworkers not liking him, he and Nimoy were brothers to the end. That's pretty cool.
Come on! Plexi?! Try Transparent Aluminum! 😉
@@lawrencejones1517 That's the ticket, laddie!
It's the Amazing Grace that does it for me, the transition from Scotty's lone bagpipe, to the full orchestra and Spock's torpedo shooting away into the new dawn
It's the plaintive, "No.", from Kirk that always gets me. A masterpiece of a scene, performed and directed to perfection.
I recall vividly walking out of the theatre after seeing this in 1982 and having trouble walking because I couldn't stop crying about Spock's death. I've now seen this film dozens of times and I *STILL* tear up every time, especially when Scotty plays those bagpipes.
Me too. I was sick to my stomach
The whole scene is amazing. Spock standing, straightening his uniform, …walking into the glass. Not to mention the dialogue.
This film is a masterpiece. The acting, the writing, the directing, the effects, the music - all top notch. Plus the literary illusions (Moby Dick, Paradise Lost, A Tale of Two Cities) and the recurring themes of life & death, youth vs experience, no-win scenarios, friendship, & sacrifice make for a story that is both universal and timeless.
Exactly. Everything fits together, especially in the director's cut version, which clarifies that the cadet who died was Scotty's nephew. This makes his death more significant and adds a second thread of familial relations.
@@DoutsoldomeTrue. I know it's a gaff that he brings him to the bridge instead of right to sickbay, but I guess you could say that Scotty was just too upset and wasn't thinking clearly.
At the risk of being rude, a minor correction. I believe the word you meant to use is "allusions".
The THEMES are a masterpiece. The actual writing is pretty bad. Enough plot holes to qualify as a spaghetti strainer. But the direction and performances save the movie and make it an all-timer. This is the best performance of Shatner's career. And Meyer accomplished it by making do take after take until he was too tired to ham it up anymore.
I REALLY love the quotes from Moby Dick especially. The first substantial literary work I ever tackled, pretty ambitious for a third-grader. And it was GREAT. Made a damned fine Gregory Peck movie into the bargain.
"From hell's heart, I STAB at thee. For hate's sake, I SPIT my last BREATH at thee!"
Ironic how Khan knows the book so well, but learns NOTHING from it.
Ricardo Montalbán's chest was so impressive that for many years fans kept asking if it was prosthetics. But his chest was the result of endless hours in the gym. He'd always been a fitness enthusiast and when he was asked to reprise the role of Khan, he hit the gym even harder to look as impressive as possible.
62 years old at the time, too.
Had to toughen up all that Rich Corinthian Leather.
@@chrismaverick9828 "Corinth is famous for its leather!" -Archer
@@crairdin actually 61 but still a MASSIVELY impressive shape for a 61 year old.
Yeah, i remember reading that RM had this like rare genetic disease that affected his spine called AVM & the doctors at that time told him to eat well & exercise. it paid off. He lived to 88.
Holy crap. I remembered how much I loved this movie. And I remembered how it ended. But, maybe it's because I'm older now and have buried friends, it's more emotional than I'd remembered. I had tears running down my face. Damn, this movie got even better with age!
I think of many people too,the hook of the Movie is/was real,,i was a fan from bNd (tv->)till now and'v seen this more times than I can count But still get emotional at the end of This...🍺Cheers.
RIP James Horner. His Wrath of Khan score still gives me goosebumps all these years later. I almost wore out my Star Trek - The Astral Symphony cassette back in the day.
The score wonderfully captures a sense of adventure and majesty at the universe.
Khan's theme is one of the greatest film themes I've ever heard...it manages to sound deranged and and incredibly powerful all at once.
Not gonna lie...James Horner's music in this film boosts the movie from a 6.5/10 to a 9.5/10. The impact his music made on each scene acts as a turbo booster or catalyst of some astronomical level.
Sublime score
Absolutely. it is reminiscent of both the seas of earth and the seas of stars - one of the great themes in Space Opera science fiction was a comparison of both seas. Star Trek was inspired by Captain Hornblower series of books. This was the most ' military ship at sea' of the movies. I think that is why it is such an effective and effecting story.
It is perfect for Star Trek -- Kirk quoting the poem somewhere (I think it was in an episode) "All I ask a tall ship and a star to steer her by"
Sea Fever by John Masefield
I must go down to the seas again, to the lonely sea and the sky,
And all I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by;
And the wheel’s kick and the wind’s song and the white sail’s shaking,
And a grey mist on the sea’s face, and a grey dawn breaking.
I must go down to the seas again, for the call of the running tide
Is a wild call and a clear call that may not be denied;
And all I ask is a windy day with the white clouds flying,
And the flung spray and the blown spume, and the sea-gulls crying.
I must go down to the seas again, to the vagrant gypsy life,
To the gull’s way and the whale’s way where the wind’s like a whetted knife;
And all I ask is a merry yarn from a laughing fellow-rover,
And quiet sleep and a sweet dream when the long trick’s over.
Not just a classic Star Trek movie. Not just a classic sci-fi movie. This is just a straight-up classic movie, regardless of genre. I don't think there's a single wasted scene or line of dialogue in it. Every single moment serves a purpose in driving the plot forward in some way. I'll never get tired of watching this.
Yes. And it explores with competence themes like dealing with aging.
Agreed. I've seen it probably 200 times since I was a kid in the late 80s and we had it on VHS. It hits different now that I can appreciate the aging aspects, but even then I knew it was a great movie.
It's amazing that you understand the main trio better than the likes of JJ Abrams. Spock is the logical point of view, the pure logical endpoint. Bones is the emotional connection, putting what is moral above all. What is moral isn't always logical, what is logical isn't always moral. Kirk has these two friends that represent the extremes. It is up to him to determine where on that scale he needs to be to accomplish the mission. Kirk wouldn't be the leader he is without these two confidants. In the JJ Abrams universe, he completely misses the mark. JJ makes Spock emotional, Bones a hypochondriac, and Kirk more of a superhero who doesn't need the other two. But here you are, watching just a few episodes, and two movies and you understand how the trio works. Star Trek isn't Star Trek without this balance. That's what makes it special.
The books mentioned in this film, "A Tale of Two Cities" and "Moby Dick", are integral to "Wrath of Khan". One book is about sacrifice to help others, the other is about revenge.
Moby Dick also on the bookshelf in Botany Bay. Khan probably read it more than a few times.
Ahh...remember when writers were literate enough to quote great books in their films, and audiences were literate enough to understand the reference?
@@falkensmaize Audiences still are literate enough. It's just the writers who've become idiots. The _modern_ audience is a myth.
It’s pretty much moby dick in space.
Khan (ahab) wants revenge on the white whale (Kirk/the enterprise).
Instead of “thar she blows”! He says “there she is!”
@@fakecubed Hardly. Most reactors are oblivious to the literary allusions in this film.
The most heart-wrenching line in the movie: "Of all the souls I have met in my travels, his was the most... human."
Cut to Saavik exercizing Vulcan restraint at the insult.
And delivered so well by Shatner...
@@user-gv4cx7vz8tHey, she teared up, so she either found it moving or couldn’t fathom such an insult.
I've watched this movie countless times, and Kirk's speech--that line in particular--gets me every...damn...time.
@@ForceMaximus84 Tears of mirth is another possibility. She kept it together, though.
As to Vulcan, this was the first time the language was really spoken or used heavily. Marc Okrand crafted the start of the language and later expanded it. Marc is also the creator of the Klingon language, which he mostly had to flesh out for Star Trek III. He later published the official Klingon dictionary and guides.
Savvik is Kirstie Alley who was most noted for her role on the series Cheers. She is referred to as Mister as in the Navy/Coast Guard lower ranks can be referenced by rank, rank and last name, mister and last name, or just mister. This is still the practice today.
actually it was James Doohan (Scotty) who first created Klingon but it was Okrand who expanded on it to make it a real language
The Vulcan language in the movies is just the english voice lines played in reverse, it's not a created language like Klingon.
I believe they spoke it a bit in the Motion picture.
@nicksterj oops yeah had to go check, it was my memory of it. I think because it kind of sounds like it. But yeah in ST2 they spoke the lines in english on set, then dubbed it later. So I think that's what I was remembering. But it sounds kind of weird because of the dubbing.
Marc Okrand's research at UC Berkeley was centered around Native American languages. Although Klingon has some features that are considered impossible in human languages (for example, it has voiced /v/ but without voiceless counterpart /f/), a lot of the syntax does resemble some Native American languages, including Mutsun.
But yeah, Vulcan never really got the love that Klingon did -- to my knowledge, it is still not a full conlang.
The director's cut version has some aditional scenes that explain that the cadet who died was Scotty's nephew. This detail really ads to the story, in my view.
Also the book explained Khan's twisted mind believed Kirk was promoted because he beat Khan. That's why he was always so sarcastic with the "Admiral" line
Yes, I always thought it was a bit odd that Scottie carried a cadet to the bridge but it made more sense after seeing that cut.
Wish they would have found a way to keep that in and maybe lose the Regula rat and a few other non essential clips.
Are you sure? She didn't show it here but Scotty tells Kirk that his nephew stayed at his post while the other cadets panicked. I am pretty sure that I have seen this scene every time that I have seen this movie, usually the TV version.
The kid who died was in tons of movies in the 70s and 80s Escape to Witch Mountain was a fun movie.
@@steveleslie2170 - LOL, yeah. Me and my brother both whispered "Witch Mountain" in the theater when we first saw him appear on screen here.
Watching the genesis (see what I did there) of a girl who has only watched chick-flicks into a full fledged sci-fi fan crying over the death of Spock has been wonderful. What a journey.
I love this channel.
That is was a good story and characters can do to you, Leonard Nimoy was beyond brilliant as Spock and Spock was beyond brilliant with Leonard.
I appreciate she prepped herself by watching a few key Classic Trek episodes first, including Space Seed 🖖
DITTO !
The thing that really gets to me is that as much as I love this movie, it was made so long ago now that of the primary roles, only the actors that played Kirk, Chekov, Sulu, and Joachim (Khan's first mate) are still alive, and all are very up in years now. It's seriously been 42 years since this came out, and that makes me feel old.
I watched it back in 1982 and Wrath of Khan saved the Star Trek Universe and helped propel it to more movies and The Next Generation series, etc.
False. The Motion Picture had already ensured a future for Star Trek. That's why there was a sequel. Wrath of Khan just cemented it by being a much more profitable and entertaining film.
@@docsavage8640 LOL, had WOK failed it would have put a big damper on it, all the history interviews prove it. Get over yourself.
I also watched it in 82, and Empire in 1980. I mean, guys, don't forget that the success of Star Wars really helped out Star Trek, too. Althought Trek 1 was a fine movie, I'd say it was a bit off target, whereas Khan was a direct hit. So were the 3 Star Wars movies. Too bad they never made any more Star Wars movie after that. I bet they would have been amazing!
@@docsavage8640 I'm sorry but you're just dead wrong. @eschiedler nailed it. Star Trek The Motion Picture only barely turned a profit and was considered a disappointment at the box office. They were literally scrounging for costumes and pinching penny's to make Wrath of Khan. Had it failed, there never would have been a third film or likely ever a TNG.
@@-taz- yes, what could have been if Star Wars had made additional movies... LOL
My favorite ST movie by far! I cry every time, especially when the captain's voice cracks at the eulogy. Thanks for watching it!!
Kirk running to engineering and . Most human. Always get me
Ricardo was in great shape here, I don't think there was a time where he was ever overweight during his career
I always cry too!
On these reactions to movies I've seen a dozen times, I'm surprised how emotional I get seeing how emotional they get seeing it for the first time. It really is like reliving that first experience. Thanks for a great reaction, Cassie.
“You have to learn why things work on a starship” - so many great quotes from this movie.
"His patterns suggest 2 dimensional thinking.
Z minus 1000 meters."
"How we deal with Death is at least as important as how we deal with Life... wouldn't you say, Lieutenant?"
@thedeckofficer I’ve used a version of this quote at work.
"Who's been holding up the damn elevator?"
@@bonedoc4556 Standby photon torpedoes
22:56 In the extended edition, this young engineer is identified as Peter Preston and Scotty’s nephew. He is the youngest child of Scotty’s sister. In the tie-in novel it was revealed that Savvik was his tutor at the academy.
The novel also tells us that Saavik is half-Romulan, which accounts for her brief displays of emotion here and there. In the sequel, Star Trek III, Robin Curtis plays her as full Vulcan.
The extra scenes were also in the TV broadcasts, which also included different camera angles like in the elevator conversation between Savik and Kirk, extended dialogue of Chekhov and Dr Marcus, etc.
@@porflepopnecker4376 brief displays of emotion and total hotness too! 🤤
I was about 7 or 8 years old being exposed to Kirstie Alley on Cheers and Star Trek II...my dumb little boy self totally fell in love with her. May she rest in peace, wish I could have told her how I felt, but I never was a good enough dancer to get on a TV reality show.
Yeah, the romulan stuff was filmed. Just never fully revealed. Then, there are the deleted baby scenes that no one in bts crew talks about.
Thank you for pointing this out.
Fun fact. When Carol was explaining the genesis effect that was the 1st time a fully CGI effect ever used in a movie.
There are a lot of claims to that title, but since Star Wars, Alien and Westworld all came out in the 1970s, and Star War's success got Star Trek 1 made, it’s absolutely not something that belongs to this film.
It also wasn’t terribly ambiguous CGI for 1982: Tron came out 5 weeks later.
@@HALLish-jl5mo - It absolutely IS something that belongs to this film. There was no CGI in Star Wars, Alien, Westworld, etc.
@@Parallax-3D The computer graphics of Star Wars, Alien and Westworld are all CGI.
I’ve been to the lab that did the CGI for Alien, incredibly advanced for its time.
The Death Star plans graphic zooming in on the exhaust port; CGI.
The computer screens on the Nostromo; CGI.
The computer screens in the command bunker in Westworld; CGI.
According to the web: "Star Trek II" Includes the First Completely Computer-Generated (CGI) Cinematic Image Sequence in a Feature Film (1982). I originally commented that Westworld was the first movie to use CGI but this is more specific which I think the conversation was missing. Details play a large role here.
@HALLish-jl5mo Um star wars wouldn't have happened without the Muppets inspiring the character of Chewbacca so....
It was very touching when Nimoy died that Shatner tweeted out that funeral line about being human. Good stuff Bill.
Always.
He rocks, and Nimoy was awesome May he Rest in Peace.
It's sad they had a falling out before Nimoy's passing that was never reconciled.
@@DrForrester87 It's weird too. Even Nimoy's own son said he didn't know why his dad didn't want to talk to Bill.
When my father was dying, he changed personality completely, he tried to create a distance between him and others , even his family. He was a religious man who became fixated on the life after. He didnt need anything from us anymore. Death can change people in that way. May be it was the same for LN? Maybe pain relief and medication changed him?
Probably not my place to speculate. Love them both dearly.
Spock's death scene truly brought out the best in both Nimoy and Shatner.
Strangely, it was a scene that they were both destined to play.
Not only the best Star Trek, but a true all-time great of science fiction. Kirk’s struggle with aging is universal enough that even non-fans can enjoy this movie. I never get tired of watching it.
I prefer 6
In my view the best is still the first one. More sci fi, more Adventure, more philosophy. The second one is full of plot holes actually. But surely is the one that I would recommend to a newbie.
Very well said ❤
4 is 2nd best and First Contact 3rd ❤
The best? Hahah Are you kidding? Best are I, VI and VIII.
The Reliant attack is one of my favourite scenes ever. The music themes building, the back and forth and shots ever closing in. This really builds the tension. Definitely my favourite Trek score.
In the extended cut the young boy is Scott's nephew.
I introduced my 13 year old daughter to OG Star Trek.
We watched every episode and I got to relive my childhood through her.
She loved it so much that as soon as i got home from work she demanded the next episode; I had to force her to show me her finished homework before I'd watch one.
Then we got to this movie.
She cried for hours when Spock died, then wouldn't talk to me for 3 days because I let her suffer that without warning her.
It took me almost a month to convince her to watch Star Trek III.
Seeing your pain and denial reminds me of hers.
And, FWIW, my own pain walking out of the theater in 1982. At that time I had two cats named Kirk and Spock, so, well, you can imagine how much of a fan I was.
Great story! Thanks for sharing!
I love this story. Also I love Star Trek 3 as well. They're all great movies.
"Wrath of Khan" IS Star Trek's "Empire Strikes Back!!"🔙 It just doesn't get any better!!(even though some of the following, like Search for Spock are kinda great👍) Especially if you're an Original Series Fan, the way Spock dies just rips your heart out!!! And KHAN is acted to perfection by Montalban!!... I could probably binge watch Star Trek 2/Wrath of Khan, three times back to back and not get sick of it🤢... IT'S THAT GOOD!!!! 😮
I heard that there wasn't a dry eye in the theater.
@@jkdbuck7670 It was the 80s.
Men weren't allowed to cry...
I love when you laughed at Kahn when he took off his cloak. There was a huge debate for years on weather or not it was prosthetic makeup. In the director’s commentary in the special edition DVD, Nicholas Meyer is quoted as saying that it was, in fact, Montalban’s actual chest, and Ricardo Mantalbon said on a Tonight Show interview that he got in shape be doing hundreds of push-ups!
I'm a nerd in his late 50s who grew up with "Star Trek" and all its permutations. It was touching to see your reaction to this excellent movie, glad to see that you're as moved as us life-long Trekkies.
Many fans will agree that this is arguably the 'best' of the Star Trek movies, but I hope you continue to watch them all, and we'll be watching you watching! 😜
Without a doubt the greatest Star Trek movie ever made with one of the best written villains in cinema history.
I'm partial to The Undiscovered Country...
Way better than what Paramount has been pooping out since 2009.
@@havok6280 Also great, but Khan is just such a compelling villain that he tips the scales for me.
Kirk is Khan's white whale 🐋
@@ninjabearpress2574 well that would be accurate since there hasn't been any Star Trek since before 2009. The last Star Trek movie was I think Nemesis in 2002 and the last Star Trek show was Enterprise which ended in 2005.
So ya, DUH! of course it's better than any Star Trek stuff Paramount has been pumping out since 2009!
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"Kahn? I'm laughing at the superior intellect." ABSOLUTE MEGA BURN!!! The delivery of that line makes me grin from ear to ear every time I hear it. Great reaction to a classic movie, thanks for that.
My favorite is the epic, "Here it comes...."
@@thomasthomas2418 YES! "Prepare to receive our transmission" ... "Here it comes ..." 😆
The true mega burn is when Saavik states her perturbed impression of Kirk as - "He's so...human"
To which Spock retorts - "No one is perfect" as to say, he sees in humans an art Vulcans have lost, something that actually gives them an edge, makes them superior to Vulcan logic philosophy, somewhere in the middle, balanced between they and Romulans, is just the right amount of emotion, passion, love, irrational impulse, fear, forgiveness.
FYI Kahn is quoting "Moby Dick" throughout the movie. "For hates sake, I spit at thee!"
You saw his book shelf, didn’t you? Are you surprised? 😅
32:25 - I always loved how Kirk reacts when he sees its the Reliant straight ahead. Calls for Evasive starboard and also turns his chair to the right like he was trying to will the ship himself to turn hard starboard as fast as possible to try to avoid being hit by phaser fire. Loved these little nuances in the film!
Khan is one of the best villains of all time. This is the BEST Star Trek movie. The layers and themes, and quotes from A Tale of Two Cities, and Moby Dick are so excellently done.
VI and First Contact are excellent but yep, I'll argue with anybody who says that this isn't the best Trek film.
I put 2 and 6 as almost too close to call which is better largely due to the fact that both were primarily written by director of both films, Nicholas Meyer.
@@bjgandalf69 Yep, Meyer was responsible for the holy trinity: II, IV, and VI. Nice to see that someone else holds VI in as high regard as myself!
@MiketheratguyMultimedia Pretty good for someone who knew nothing about Star Trek before being asked by Harve Bennett to direct and then rewrite this film and go on to write on 4 and 6. When Bennett explained to Meyer that Roddenberry's original concept for Kirk was Captain Hornblower, Nick got it. He is one of the most literate writers ever to work on Trek and is totally responsible for all the great literary allusions. I would dare to say that Nick Meyer's contributions to the 80's films is a big reason why Star Trek got popular enough to continue on thru the first 6 films and helped make sure TNG got made and the franchise survived until the prolific 90's.
What are the quotes you alluded to?
I've seen this movie a million times, and I still cry at the end every time.
SO true. Gets me every time.
yup
36:24 it doesn't matter how many times I see this scene it gets me every single time.
It's a beautiful movie with an unforgettable, yet very heartbreaking ending. Kirk may have failed the no-win scenario as a cadet, but he passed it for REAL this time. Spock, who never took the KM test also passed by giving up his very life in order to save not just the Enterprise, but his dear friend, Jim. "Greater love has no man than this, that he give up his life for his friends." A great truth and a great premise. And, yes, the bagpipes made me cry as well. Thanks for this viewing, Cass. Isn't it a great movie?
I saw this movie on its opening weekend in 1982, and no one in the audience knew what happened at the end. Everyone was weeping, including me.
Yeah, I remembered rumors leaked about Spock dying in this one while filming so they added the scene at the beginning where they all "died" in the no-win test and even had Kirk say "Aren't you dead?" That way people assumed the death of Spock leaks were only of that scene and didn't expect it at the end.
I saw this film when it opened as well. 54 1/2 year old Gen Xer here.
Me too!
And back then, we all had to wait two years to find out what happens next!
@@roberttoews2775 Well, it was kind of obvious that there would be a sequel after we see Spock's coffin on the Genesis planet. And when the third movie was called The Search for Spock, was anyone surprised that they actually found him?
@19:01 "Let them eat static" - This has always been one of my favorite lines; enjoyed your reaction to it.
40 years on and this still has me in tears every damn time, but I wouldn't have it any other way.
Yes. For me, it's Kirk's undramatic, quiet, defeated, "No..."
And it was just perfect in the theater because there was no Star Trek 3. This was it, the Final Frontier for Spock.
I was depressed from the end of Star Trek II until I saw the six foot standee for The Search For Spock at my local theatre with Spocks face outlined, the first sign for me that Spock was coming back. I was 12 years old.
Cassie, once again, shows why she's the best Movie Reactor on RUclips
Can you be good at getting paid to sit around and watch movies? I mean, I did it for free for YEARS, and still do.
Absolutely,!
@Wizardofgosz there's always gotta be that one guy!!!! That one guy that has to make himself feel so macho by being a smarta$$ towards another person giving someone a nice compliment cause Lord forbid ppl show gracious humanity in this world. I will 🙏 for u that u can accept ur faults one day amd discover humility!
@@jenloveshorror I'm just baffled by the idea that people get paid money to sit around and watch television. I recognize that RUclips allows that opportunity but it seems so strange to me.
@@Wizardofgosz sorry if I sounded kinda harsh, but I just assumed everyone knew that's how you tube works. Once they reach a certain # of subs then yt starts paying them to air their content. I don't know the exact specs, but for ex let's say they reach 10,000 & they get their copyright to air approved then yt gives them x amt of $s. Then they reach 100,000 & $ amt vastly increases. Amd at some point, ads will start to show up as part of their agreement to air on yt. I'm pretty sure they are not able to say what sorts of ads, but I was told that does start at I think 20 or 50K. Then if they wanna air certain mature content they have to try and obtain "sponsors". Once they get sponsors, they can show more scenes of graphic nature or language. I know there is alot more to it, but that's my basic understanding as my son at one time wanted to do a reaction channel & looked into all the "rules". I can also think of a few kids channels that literally went from 0 bucks to making well over 6 figures. Ryan's world is a big one. Heck, that kid now has deals at Walmart for his own toy line & his fam is set for life I'm sure & it all started from him just opening and viewing new toys for kids. Basically imo if I could get paid amd ppl liked my comments then absolutely I'd try and make a living out of it. If your not having fun or enjoying ur job, then it's time for a new career cause we only got one life & u only get one chance to make it a good one.🙂
Cassies reactions to this film are priceless. Protect this woman at all costs.
Ricardo Montalban is so cool... His line delivery is unmatched
As I recall, he didn't "chew scenery," he Devoured Scenery! He's as interesting a movie villain as Alan Rickman's "Hans Gruber."
I dare say Mr.Montalban is the best villain of the 80s
@@TerryfanIdk. Khan is viscous, but Hans Gruber is smarter and more cunning.
@@ForceMaximus84 Seriously, a Khan vs Gruber duel of flattery and threats on a Nakatomi Plaza-shaped starcruiser is worthy of a 10 episode limited series. Make it animated to avoid weird CGI, and spend generously on the best voice acting performances of all time...
@@ForceMaximus84 Hans was also a former member of a group of terrorists yet he and his team were funded well and brought arms to the building. Khan was able to get his crew off the planet and force the captain to give him command of the Reliant and put a beating on the Enterprise. So both men did such evils in their respective movies. The two villains definitely left a mark.
I've seen this movie dozens of times. When it came out, I was 16, and it was a damn good adventure story.
Later, I was a Marine, and I learned leadership lessons from Kirk and Spock, and had to ask some youngsters to grow up sooner than they'd expected. A bit after that, I realized I was identifying too closely with Khan, and that I needed to get help.
Still later, Kirk telling Saavik "You need to know WHY things work on a starship" taught me the value of understanding that choices made early in system design are important, because they determine how and why the system will work--or not.
The storyline of Kirk aging and his relationship with Carol Marcus illuminated some of my feelings as I grew older. It helped me realize that I've made some mistakes in my life, and I've sought to make amends as best I can.
Now, in my late 50s, my wife is in long-term care; this is the long good-bye. Now . . . the Kobayashi Maru scenario really hits home.
It's an amazing film that still is relevant 42 years later because it's not about spaceships going pew-pew-pew; it's about people facing the test of life.
This was so beautifully expressed, thank you ❤
I was 5 when this came out. By the time I saw part 4 in the theater, Khan was already one of my favorite films of all time.
Well said.
This former marine just sent a prayer your way Ken.
I hope your wife passes quietly and in peace. I'm sure with your and your families love she will be happy and in peace.
very...very well said!
I met Ricardo Montalban when I was in high school and one of our courtyards got turned into Fantasy Island. I was a skinny nerdy kid and he was huge. His voice was full and powerful, believe me mixed sound on a microphone cannot do his voice projection justice. When they shot his scenes you really got the sense of how well prepared he was and how intensely he took his acting, even a simple TV show like Fantasy Island. The scenes they did also had a young actor, and I got to see him work with a child.
A true masterpiece in film making. I could watch this movie over and over again. So many hallmarks of a classic.
The female Vulcan in the beginning is played by Kirsty Alley: she is known for her role as Rebecca Howe on cheers. She is brought on in season 6 replacing Diane/Shelly Long who wanted to pursue a movie career. she is also the star of the movie "Look Who's Talking" co-starring John Travolta and the voice of Bruce Willis as the son.
36:02 It’s very plausible Kahn saw the Enterprise entering warp on the Reliant view screen in the last seconds of his life and knew he had failed to take his revenge.
Fun fact: Captain Terrell was also in The Terminator as the lead detective. A very underrated actor in my opinion.
His name was Paul Winfield. He was nominated for an Academy Award for the movie *Sounder* (1972) and as a television actor won an Emmy and was nominated for an Emmy on two other occasions. And he was the guest star and focal point of one of the top TV episodes of all time within the Star Trek franchise, the TNG fifth-season episode "Darmok".
So, so true. This actor (Paul Winfield), is excellent, and very underrated by the general public.
Remember his other Star Trek role, "Shaka When the walls fell"
That opening with the tribbles in the microwave and the side by side with the tribbles in the replicator got me, that was great. So glad you're enjoyed this. Star Trek is excellent fun. Welcome aboard Trekkie. Live long and prosper eh. :)
That was a great reaction!!
It hit you hard and you only met them a month ago. Imagine having watched TOS in reruns at every opportunity for a decade then getting the motion picture followed by this one that took us back to Space Seed. The end of this movie was gut wrenching in the theatre and still has the same impact after 40 years!
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I've always loved Bones saying "Who's been holding up the damn elevator?" Just a perfect delivery on that line. haha
"Be careful, Admiral."
" ... WE will!"
Deforest delivered one liners as well as anyone in history ever did!
@@datacipher DeForest Kelly was to Star Trek movies what Bill Murray was to Ghostbusters. Owned every scene they were in thanks to great writing and impeccable delivery.
@@stevencramsie9172 yes he was a magnetic actor. He could be over-the-top in manner but somehow still make it seem realistic and nuanced! Even though he was one of the big 3 he had few lines compared to Kirk and Spock but he made them count. I think of little moments from the series where 5 seconds of bones expanded his character greatly. Like when khan held a blade to his throat. Montalban had all that intensity and charisma but deforest absolutely matched him and gave it right back, and in his steely-eyed, calm response we saw that McCoy was as brave and tough a man as there is when needed. Great character snd great actor.
"did she change your hairstyle?"
I love that the Commdore PET computer in Kirk's apartment was contemporary at the time, but still works now as part of this antique collection.
Shatner gives such a great performance in this movie, especially at the end.
It's his best.
Cassie: "Your revenge has blinded you, Khan."
Both truly insightful and funny observations throughout! Loved this reaction.
I'm a 45 year old dude and I still get choked up at the ending. Spock's line about friendship really gets me.
For context, the character Saavik was written as being a half Vulcan, half Romulan ( a genetic cousin species of Vulcans without the emotional suppression or mental abilities) who was born on a harsh abandoned planet called Hellguard. Spock found her as a savage yet highly intelligent child living in squalor, and arranged for her to be educated. As such, she’s prone to intense emotions like a typical Romulan but keeps her emotional instability in check using the emotional training he taught her.
Romulan's don't have intense emotions. Vulcans do.
@@captainjefferies9047 SMH, yes they do. Romulans like Vulcans, learned to channel their emotions with mental focus and discipline; only instead of suppressing it with logic, they embraced cold and calculating behavior, and a level of cultural distrust for one another bordering on paranoia.
Any emotion can be intense, not just violent ones.
@@MainframeMilitia You being redundantly wrong is no way to save face. Romulan characters are repeatedly show to be no more or less emotional than humans. Your theory is baseless.
Romulans and Vulcans are canonically related populations of the same original species - Romulans left the Vulcan homeworld during the time when Surak was preaching the ways of logic and suppression of their passions, which means the problem existed for both, since they were the same population at the time, so yes it exists for Romulans too. Iirc Romulans were a group that rejected the teachings of Surak and left for a new homeworld as a way of resolving that conflict. This is covered in Star Trek: Enterprise (where the soon-to-be-Romulans are described as "Those who marched beneath the raptor's wings" during their time on Vulcan).
It's possible that Romulans have found a different way of channelling their intense emotions (or they suppress them in front of outsiders as part of their general culture of secrecy, rather than all the time the way Vulcans do - it's not like we tend to see how Romulans act on their homeworld), or it's possible that the Vulcans' policy of constant emotional suppression means they end up even bursting out even more intensely when that control fails (such as during ponn farr).
Unless you're arguing that Romulans have literally evolved weaker emotions during the roughly 2,000 years since they left Vulcan (which doesn't seem very plausible for a species as long-lived as Vulcans. It takes orders of magnitude longer than that for humans to undergo significant evolutionary changes, and we produce new generations much more frequently than Vulcans do, which means we would evolve faster from a biological standpoint).
@@hypercube8735 You are terrible at logic. Having been part of the same species at one point doesn't mean they are still the same. they speciated a long time ago. That's established when that quarter Romulan kid gets found out in TNG. Romulans also don't exhibit Vulcan's super strength.
" it's not like we tend to see how Romulans act on their homeworld"
It's shown several times. They show emotion regularly, the kind of emotion that would ruin a Vulcan's career.
"which doesn't seem very plausible"
There is your mistake. Vulcans have mastered genetic engineering. Spock is a product of it. It's perfectly reasonable that a people who spent generations travelling through space looking for a homeworld would use it on themselves or that it was the Vulcans that used it on themselves to make them stronger after the Romulans left.
If you think humans are going to be genetically the same in 2000 years that's adorable.
Not only that, but evolution comes from mutation and radiation causes mutation. It's reasonable to believe that Vulcans traveling through space would adapt much faster than ones who did not.
Vulcans and Romulans are not the same species.
Still my favorite film from the TOS crew. There weren't too many dry eyes in the theatre when the Spock death scene happened. Everyone was at the top of their game in this film.
Saavik is Rebecca from Cheers. That may be how you recognize her. The actor is Kirstie Alley.
Thanks for the tip.
Kirk is canonically 49 years old, about the same as Shatner, in this movie. Hard to believe I'm that age now and I saw this in the movie theater so long ago. Hits much harder when you're more mature and understand more of the scenes about aging.
1982 a great year for movies ! I remember watching E.T in one theater at 7pm then going to another theater down the road to watch the 10pm showing of Star Trek II That was just two movies in the summer of 82.
Blade Runner and The Thing followed suit shortly after. Great time for movies, unlike now.
It was also the same year of Blade Runner, Gandhi, First Blood (Rambo), Poltergheist, Sophie's Choice and Pink Floyd - The Movie. It makes me sad when I think of the current state of cinema.
I'm sure someone has already mentioned this, but 'mister' is a homage to the sail-age navy.
There's a great quote from Nicholas Meyer, who directed the film regarding Kirstie Allie, who played Saavik. You can see her crying during Spock's funeral. "Then, at the other end of it, there she was at Spock's funeral, weeping. I remember somebody came running up to me and said, 'Are you going to let her do that?' And I said, 'Yeah.' And they said, 'But Vulcans don't cry', and I said, 'Well, that's what makes this such an interesting Vulcan.'"
I can never, EVER watch Spock's death and funeral service without tears, especially when Kirk's voice cracks at the end. The fact that it had such an impact on Cassie, even though she's new to Star Trek, makes me so happy. So looking forward to continuing to watch her journey through the films.
At 21:30, this is Bluetooth, 25 years before Bluetooth was invented.
We can only suppose that a starship’s helm & weapons stations are hooked to the actual ship’s systems wirelessly, by Bluetooth. In order to keep other ships from “doing what we are attempting to do”, each command is proceeded by the ship’s prefix code.
Since Kirk is an admiral, the commandant of Starfleet Academy, and the former Fleet Commander, he had access to Reliant’s prefix codes, and used Enterprise’s systems to turn off Reliant’s systems.
All Trekkies (Star Trek fans) were devastated, as was I. Not a dry eye in the theater. Knowing Genesis was life from death gave us hope. Trekkies loved these characters, and I’m a little surprised you got as attached as you did, but it’s easy to see why. You have a big heart. Another great reaction Cassie
Shatner, Nimoy, and Kelley were really good at getting across the esssence of their characters in a short amount of time. One get's a feeling for who they are, their relationship dynamics, very quickly.
@@claudiadarling9441 Yes but I'd argue that's mostly who WROTE their dialogue, but yes they all are/were incredible actors.
Hear, hear! And we STILL love them.
I am filled with joy whenever I see a RUclipsr react to this film. Just about every reaction I've seen has people either in tears, or absolutely floored by Spock's heroic sacrifice, who is arguably the greatest character in all of Science Fiction. An absolutely fantastic film; with great writing, an exceptional villain, and terrific performances from the cast. Keep up the Trek reactions, Cassie; this is only the beginning...
Watch the reaction by Target Audience. It surprised EVERYONE in the comments.
Simply one of the best movies ever made. The script is perfect, the score is amazing, and the cast nails it.
If I remember correctly, Nimoy wanted Spock to die to exit the franchise. But by the time they got to his death scene, he had second thoughts. Someone had the idea (possibly Nimoy) of the "remember" scene, and they shot it on the spot. Then the coffin scene on the planet was added later. Apparently Nicolas Meyer didn't like those additions as it undermined Spock's death, but that's what Nimoy wanted and certainly what the audience wanted.
He wanted to direct, they let him direct Search for Spock. That’s why he came back.
@@ruadhrose No. He could have directed WITHOUT having the character Spock alive, for cryin' out loud. The only reason he got to direct is because Nicholas Meyer didn't want to after his ending to II got changed. (Moreover, Nimoy said from his own lips that he want to do II to explicitly kill off Spock so he wouldn't have to play him anymore. But by the time he got to the death scene, he had second thoughts. It wouldn't have mattered either way if he wanted to DIRECT.)
Nimoy was so dissatisfied with the Motion Picture that he insisted Spock die in TWOK, but shooting TWOK was such a different and positive experience that he reconsidered. This is all in his book and one of Shatner's books at the very least. Getting Nimoy to helm 3 and 4 was a bonus!
Of ALL the Souls in the STU (StarTrek✨Universe!) Spock's is the Most... Eternal!!😅 Glad he stuck around 😁
I heard a slightly different version. At the wrap party after completion of principle photography (and before pickups) Nimoy told Harve Bennett that he was looking forward to the next film.
Such an epic film. The “Khaaaaaan” scream was a meme at one stage.
I had that Kirk scream as a ring tone for about six months and people would DIE whenever my phone rang.
11:35 Riccardo Montalban was REMARKABLY fit for a man his age. A true inspiration. For years everyone thought his chest was a prosthetic. It wasn't.
Saw this in theater the summer of 82. It made me a fan of the franchise.
What a time!
So how does Spok come back? The Voyage Home was 1986
82 in hindsight was a pretty awesome summer for movies. This, E.T., Blade Runner, The Thing, Rocky III and Tron. I think even Mad Max 2, aka The Road Warrior, debuted in the U.S. that summer as well.
Voyage home was the 4th film next one is the search for Spock
@ForceMaximus84 yes! And Secret of Nimph and Poltergeist!
This and part 3 and by far the best in the franchise. James Horner did an amazing job with the score. He makes every movie he scored better. When Scotty says “He’s dead already.” That still hits hard.
Love part 3 - possibly more than 2 these days...
Horner was one of the best ever. That Krull soundtrack…
Also Fun Fact: James Horner also did the music score for Aliens; that's why they sound do very similar. It's like Speed and Bad Boys. Both were scored by Mark Mancina
The Village Home is beget than Search for Spock
IV & VI Are great too, Although very different tones.. 👍
21:10 now I hope you understand where they got the idea for _Galaxy Quest_ where Serris demands from Commander Taggart the device they call _Omega 13._
My favorite piece of trivia: At 30:46, the crewman on the far right (closest to the camera) is James Horner, who composed the score. He was a huge Star Trek fan and he asked for a cameo in the film. 😊
This might be the first time I remember crying at a movie harder than Cassie did, though I was nine years old at the time. I was bawling so hard that I think my mom was genuinely concerned, and let me stay up late just to watch the next one.
Great job as always Cassie. I'm running out of favorite movies to anticipate, thanks for watching yet another one!
I was 12 and I cried myself to sleep as my dad laughed at me like I was some kind of freak lol
Star Trek mastered the ability to convey character with very little. We got immediately who these people were and what they meant to each other by the way they acted and the few words they did say
Spock’s death is probably the most gut-wrenching scene I’ve watched in science fiction - “No, I am your father!” being the biggest, most shocking surprise - and I really enjoy reliving the scene through fresh eyes.
Also, “HELLO! 😮” is the funniest part of this video.
23:01 The dying boy that Scotty brought to the bridge, it never said in the movie, but in the novel that was Scotty's nephew....and they last spoke angrily to each other, which added to Scotty's grief and guilt.
36:03: "Did Khan get to see that?" In a cut scene he did.
One of my favourite small touches is the way Spock closes his eyes when he sees Scotty carrying his nephew.
@@torontomame That's also why Scotty was so proud despite his grief, that he stayed at his post when the other trainees ran.
It was added back in, along with other cut scenes for the Blu-ray, but I found this edit... the one most of us grew up with on TV, VHS and DVD to be better... there's a reason they trimmed these scenes down.@@s.erikschulman8487
@@s.erikschulman8487But it is in the Director's Cut
The last 5 minutes of this movie always gets some tears from me. Just the beautiful filmmaking, acting and James Horner's magnificent score.
This is still the best movie in the whole franchise, and I would argue a lot of what made TNG so strong first started to be formed here.
34:11 The sauce for the goose is also good for the gander.
Reliant had the technical advantage in regular space. In the nebula with both ships without shields and effective sensors, the ships are on an even field.
At time Interval 9:38 Khan said "I never forget a face. Chekov": Here is the problem, Chekov (Walter Koenig) was not on the show in season. Since Space Seed was Season 1, Episode 22
I love when someone falls in love with Star Trek, especially someone from a younger generation than myself. Thanks for this reaction.
Released in 1982, which many call the greatest year in cinema history.
Blade Runner
The Thing
Wrath of Khan
Rambo
E.T
Conan the Barbarian
48 Hours
Officer and A Gentlemen
Poltergeist
The list goes on... so many iconic movies that year.
1989 was one of those years too: Batman, The Burbs, Indiana Jones & the Last Crusade, Field of Dreams, Christmas Vacation, Uncle Buck, Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure, The Little Mermaid, My Left Foot, When Harry Met Sally, Dead Poets Society, even more...
1984 would like a word with you...
Indiana Jones & The Temple of Doom
Ghostbusters
The Terminator
Gremlins
The Karate Kid
Footloose
Splash
Police Academy
Romancing the Stone
and of course...
Star Trek III The Search For Spock!
A case could also be made for 1999 too. Most film historians however point to 1939 as being the greatest year in cinema.
My vote goes to 1994...
Shawshank Redemption
Forrest Gump
Pulp Fiction
Dumb & Dumber
Speed
The Lion King
Clear & Present Danger
True Lies
Ace Ventura: Pet Detective
Leon: The Professional
Quiz Show
Hoop Dreams
1989
I got to go '39 and '99 as the best.
Hey there! I am a lifelong Trekkie, so I grew up with these movies. It is really refreshing to watch you discover them for the first time! I love your reactions and your analysis as you go. That Spock death scene STILL tears (and tears) me up every single time. The Motion Picture and The Wrath of Khan are like my kids... I can't choose a favorite. They each have their strengths and weaknesses. I will keep watching! On to Search!!! For that guy you want to not be dead. 😊
I remember seeing this when it first appeared in the theaters. The music alone still sends goose-bumps up and down my body! Montalban was absolutely *EPIC* in this Character and his return!
I remember how the crowd cheered madly when Joachim told Khan, "Sir...our shields are dropping!"
And when Kirk said, "Fire!", it brought the house down!
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Oh, hell yes!
Often, people making noise during a movie irritates the hell out of me.
Until I realized I was one of them!
;-)
@07:48 "Shaka, When the Walls Fell..!!" If you know, you know.
I still get choked up during this movie. I remember seeing this when I was 11 years old, I went with my friends Sean & Danny Ahern, their dad took us to see it on Fort Meade. I tried so hard to not have anyone see me cry. When I finally got home & sat in my bed, I let it out. This is an ALL TIME classic. I’m glad you've seen it now.
Kirstie Alley is the other Vulcan….she was great! She proved that Vulcans can show emotion….her tears for Spock & Kirk’s reaction to Spock’s funeral made for a VERY emotional & lovely scene there….RIP Kirstie Alley 😑
Well, she was written to be half Romulan to explain her emotionality but the scene expositing that was cut
@@Vader47000 well that’s interesting 🤔
Also her backstory, in addition to the “part Romulan” she was also a foundling, found by Spock on some mission after the original 5 year one. Then he sort of adopted her but had his parents do most of her raising but still stood by her as a father figure which I believe also contributed to her emotional response at his funeral. What child wouldn’t get upset at the death of their parent, even adopted…. even Vulcan. Of course, for time, all that background was not even mentioned in the movies.
@@turbopokeywow….I bet they cut it because the movie would have been almost 3 hours….I guess they streamlined the movie that way 🤓
I’m a dude and even I, “WHAT?!” at Montalban's physique. The more so because this was not prosthetic make-up or 300-style CGI. That was ALL him, and at age 62!!