because palestinians are nightmare and they have this reputation even in the arab world . the same reason no one wants the kurds around palestinians and kurds bring war with them
Why would Palestinians go to other countries and leave THEIR LAND? If I knocked on your little house of inbreeding and Islamophobia and told you my religion says this is my home now ... would you leave peacefully?
@@shinehy403 Oh we changed, our own citizens turned traitors caused this. Guess what, it wasn't the Red party who threw their country under the bus. But, by all means if your country is so much better, please share it with us.
@@shinehy403 We went straight into social Marxism, of course we changed. Maybe Vlad will sanitize Europe though, that entire continent has bas plagued the world for centuries.
They should be denied degrees. That what accountability is. If you chose to break university rules, then you run the risk of denying yourself a degree.
@@yousreyakhalil5238 Do you remember how many college students destroyed universities all over the country in 2020? The same Dems who took part in 2020, are the same Dems arresting these protestors. The hypocrisy here is 2nd to none.
Harvard, or any university, is a SERVANT (service provider of educational services). Where the F does Harvard get off not giving graduation degrees? The fee was paid, the courses were successfully completed. Kick Harvard's ass.
@@NickHarmon-w8o The service provider Harvard did what it was hired to to, deliver education. Students confirmed they obtained the education by passing requisite tests/exams. End of story. Harvard is a SERVANT, not the boss.
@@NickHarmon-w8o It's like hiriing a dog trainer or an accountant. You retain them fpr specific goals and you pay them to perform certain tasks. They are not the boss. You are. When students start studies at university, they should stop saying, "I was accepted at Harvard", and instead say, "I selected Harvard as my servant (service provider)." Currently there's a power imbalance.
Law suit in the millions... We have something called a constitution. There are many laws that violate our rights and need to be challenged and this is one way to do it. Harvard should be held accountable.
Harvard is holding people accountable. If they don't do this, they're letting everyone know that their university is not safe for certain religions and ethnicities.
@@Mouffon Corporate rules does not supersede Constitutional Rights. Also, they paid for and passed their courses. Therefore, they cannot hold their degrees. They could have expelled them if they had not already completed the course and thus withhold the degree. But course work and been paid for and successfully completed. This will be revered without the need for a lawsuit. And they are going to take the "Corporate" stance then they should lose the government funding side and lose their accreditation. Since, losing their accreditation is essentially equivalent to withholding the students' degrees.
@@jonq.public5892 you are forgetting that if any student breaks the law or behaves themselves in a manner that breaks the school’s code of conduct, they can be suspended or denied a diploma. Hate speech, illegal occupation of school grounds, calling for genocide of Jews - all are against the BASIC code of conduct for any school. I would also add that if they are protesting against something they can’t even articulate or provide arguments for (outside of what they read on TikTok), then they should be denied their diplomas by the virtue of being simply a pack of ignorant morons
No. But being told dozens of times to disperse, told law enforcement would be called, and told again dozens of times by police to disperse, all of which they ignored, does make them trespassers and subject to a criminal charge.
@@ninadaly7639 The US justice system and the college system are two separate things. Ultimately, Harvard is a business and can be sued for breach of contract if they withhold their diplomas.
Shameful! The university (actually a corporation) has no right to withhold their degrees! Harvard should be proud of these students instead they are witholdytheir degrees. Because the Harvard corporation and administration are purchased, guess by who.
It's a testimony to the amazing power of propaganda that you believe Hamas started the hostilities on October 7. And Israel has rejected multiple offers to return the hostages in exchange for an end to the war.
and Zioni$ts never have consequences because they blackmailed american politicians through honeypot operations involving underage girls. "Chosen People Of God" wouldn't need to do that if they were truly Chosen by God.
Good , you're at school to learn not to throw temper tantrums . If your actions are causing others education to suffer then you don't deserve a diploma .
The larger problem is our universities have become leftist indoctrination centers. There were several professors like Norman Finklestein celebrate the October 7th attacks. The odd thing is he is Jewish.
That is not fair at all. Education is their right and protesting. It is sick that Harvard is playing politics and not anything against the genocide that is happening Palestine.
@@aryastark3148 Take the time to look back before & after 1900's.The Balfour Declaration: How was Britain involved in 1948? How much land did Israel acquire after the Six Day War? Did Israel trade Gaza for peace in 2005? Did the Romans first give the name 'Palestinian' to the Jewish people? The only ones who wish to kill all Jews are the genocidal terrorists.
We taxpayers should not be giving them a penny and all foreign money should be banned. Let them spend the 50 billion dollar endowment. With their bloated paychecks it won’t last long.
@@marcosolo6491 Are you listening to yourself and your justification for Israeli atrocities it’s completely parallel to the same kind of claims and justifications another historically condemned and infamous group made to dehumanize and justify their atrocities towards Jewish people…
@@ninadaly7639 Harvard was established for the education of Protestan ministers, not to kiss the Zionist ass. It us the end of Harvard Corporation. This time you're not going to getaway. There is nowhere left for you to escape to.
So where are the geographical roots of the so-called Palestinians??????? Hamas Minister of the Interior and of National Security Fathi Hammad, aired by Al-Hekma TV on March 23, 2012. Stated..........we all have Arab roots, and every Palestinian, in Gaza and throughout Palestine, can prove his Arab roots - whether from Saudi Arabia, from Yemen, or anywhere. We have blood ties. Personally, half my family is Egyptian. We are all like that. More than 30 families in the Gaza Strip are called Al-Masri ["Egyptian"]. Brothers, half of the Palestinians are Egyptians, and the other half are Saudis. Who are the Palestinians? We have many families called Al-Masri, whose roots are Egyptian. Egyptian! They may be from Alexandria, from Cairo, from Dumietta, from the North, from Aswan, from Upper Egypt. We are Egyptians. The so-called Palestinians are not even from Palestine!!!!!!!!!!
These 13 students have invested time and money and EARNED their degrees. They should sue HARVARD and seek relief in the form of their DIPLOMAS and LEGAL FEES and let DISCOVERY reveal HARVARD'S disgusting CORRUPTIONS.
@@Mike-rc7gn Private entity cannot do what it wants. They had no problems taking their money and they must give them their degrees. Shame on Harvard, shame on Harvard, shame on Harvard.
Oh!!!! Take the school board to court. Sue the school board as a body and bring individual suits againtst all those who voted yey to keeping these degrees these kids worked and paid for
A Diploma is the result of studying and passing exams - what has protesting to do with it? Are those universities holding back those diplomas as punishment, and despite the fact that they have been earned by the students?
these 13 will be able to wear this as a badge of honour and likely end up in politics in a few years.... this could even cause the university to lose their position as an international academic facility of choice
@@karllaur3866 Okay like that’s not a fascist and authoritarian take. Your support of ethnic cleansing and punishment of those against it is duly noted.
um....no, there's more required to earning a degree than passing the classes. It's just that almost all students actually have no trouble doing those things.....
Sue the school. Despite whether you disagreed with their protest or not, they completed their course of study. They earned that degree and they should hire attorney's and sue Harvard to get their degrees and pay all legal fees.
It depends on what the students actual did. If they committed a crime before graduation, the school can certainly punish them. In these types of situations facts matter.
Of course, these Pro-Palestinians violated the rules of the university. It is not racist issue. The students are have misbehaved and what they did was gravely serious.
Havard University kerp your word. Please do not give them the degree certificate. If you do so, you will not be trusted, and students in the future will take you for a ride.
@@ninadaly7639 Look! Someone with no capital fighting for capitalist. So, you mean to tell me that you will pay for a service up front and then let that service provider keep your money without completing the work you paid for because you support the fair treatment of innocent people?
@@mstrwil73 There is a huge difference between a protest and breaking the law. They have every right to protest, the problem started when they chose to break the law. There are standards of conduct on these campasses, they do not have a legs to stand on. They need to tread cafefully as some are talking drastic action like depotation. There is a bill to send them to Gaza,(wont happen, at least I would hope not!) The world is crazy. You never know what retailiation will come.
@@mstrwil73 No, but if I signed up to attend a school and agreed to abide by the schools rules and policies, but was talked into protesting an issue I knew little about and in so doing harassed other students, destroyed school property,, blocked thoroughfares, made a general ass of myself on campus and got myself arrested, I would have done it to myself, wouldn’t I? Do you mean to tell me you think you can do whatever you want without accepting the consequences?
@@ninadaly7639 What school policy restricts your right to your first amendment? What property was destroyed or throughfares were blocked. Sounds like your belief is based on your biases or what the narrative is within your circle. The only violence and/or destruction was done by police and ant-protestors. Rather than witnessing anything or knowing facts of what actually happened, you chose to live in the lie because the truth doesn't suit your bias. If I pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to anyone who offers me a service, they better complete said services even if I don't support a beleif that they do.
Joe Biden has been wrong every step of the way in solving this tragedy. Move Over USA, Joe’s “Open Border” Is More Important. Protesters have marched in the streets concerning the issue of “Free Palestine”. Why haven't college students stepped up to the plate and addressed the following very important issues in America? Their motives may be sincere but the importance of the issues they choose to protest is lacking. How about switching your sign to read: “Save America” against the invasion of 8-10 million “illegal” people, from around the world, across an “Open Border”, including criminals, “want to be” terrorists , and fentanyl drug smugglers? Fentanyl ( a synthetic chemical drug) kills 75,000 young Americans ( age 15-44) each year. 300,000 families will bury their children during Joe Biden’s Presidential term. If Joe is re-elected, expect the total to rise to 600,000. This will be a tad less than all US military fatalities, in all wars since the beginning of WWII. World War I: 116,516 World War II: 405,399 Korean War: 36,574 Vietnam War: 58,220 Iraq War: 4,487 Afghanistan War: 2,442 Total: 613,749 Most of the fentanyl coming into the U.S. is trafficked into the country through Joe Biden’s “open border” policy on the southwest border by transnational criminal organizations. Fentanyl is up to 50 times stronger than heroin and 100 times stronger than morphine. Like other opioids, fentanyl use can lead to dependency and addiction. Joe Biden does not talk about this horrific epidemic of opioid drugs on the campaign trail. 300,000 dead Americans and not a word from Joe or the White House. It's as though this scourge is completely nonexistent. Looks like America comes in second place for important issues by Joe Biden. Joe does not use the democratic system to make decisions about "open border" policies, but implements decisions from the White House that have allowed "when and how" "illegal immigrants" and "drugs" can cross into America. "Pay attention to what Joe Biden does or does not do for America , because his actions will tell you everything you need to know."
@@nrsrymj *Listen well, this is how employment works:* Those students are blacklisted _only_ for bad corporations. The good ones will hire them immediately. This is a badge of honor that shows morality and conscientiousness: Exactly what employers look for in an employee.
@@user-wl2xl5hm7k lol, that's certainly not how ANY corporations work, which are amoral entities designed to maximize profit. What their hiring departments will see is that an applicant doesn't have a degree and they will be promptly dismissed.
@@Mouffonyeah this finna be a big lawsuit. You think you can take somebody's money and federal funds and not give them their diploma if that's the case give them back their money or give them their degree
What about the thousands of children killed in Africa? Why are these people not protesting for what is happening in Haiti? Why only the people who support Iran, Hezbollah and Hammas should be allowed to protest. Something is wrong with this picture.
@@ninadaly7639 They could probably find a progressive lawyer that would take their case for a lower fee and with a crowd funding effort, it might work... better than paying student loans on a degree they earned and were not given.
It isn't. Every University has a code of conduct, just like a Criminal can be given terms of parole. Any violation of those terms has consequences. I don't know if you went to a University but the Degree is not just for academics, it's for Academics and Character and not meeting the criteria of either is enough to have a student kicked out of school. When did America start supporting TERRORISTS it ones used to pride itself of not negotiating with. It's still this same generation of young people who just some few months back trended on TIKTOK with OSAMA BIN LADEN letter, saying Osama Bin Laden is a HERO. UNBELIEVABLE. And to think these same young people are the leaders of America's future. Incase you are not seeing it, America is GONE.
@@jobcreationmaster Let’s see supporting Palestinian civilians who are being ethnically cleansed and collectively punished is not equivalent to supporting terrorists. You think ethnic cleansing is okay? The leadership at Harvard is showing a lack of moral character here as are you thinking that protesting these atrocities against other human beings is a bad thing. Did you know it’s possible to be against what Hamas did on the 7th and the Israeli governments actions as well? Your false equivalency is grasping at straws and stinks of racism and dehumanization of the Palestinian civilians.
@@marvsmusings ethnicly cleansed my ass , no one buys that line of bull excrement. They are no more being "ethnicly cleansed" than the Germans were in WW2 or the Italians or Japanese. And the vast majority of people know it.
@@ryanbruno8871 You realize that same dehumanizing logic can be used against you for any crimes your government commits as well right? Your claim is straight up fallacious and dehumanizing just so you can cope with the fact you are defending ethnic cleansing and collective punishment.
Take a good look at who governs the US. A bunch of corrupt, greedy, immoral, deranged, fascist lying psychos. The worst part is that the politicians are puppets for a foreign state who is in control of the government to the detriment of US citizens.
Not when you are committing a crime. These rioters are not that stupid, they knew what they did was illegal. You can't "Takeover" a building or part of a college and call it protesting. These are domestic terrorists, and should be charged for that. How many people were killed, because law enforcement was baby sitting these spoiled brats. They do not deserve to say they are Harvard Grads.
and the fact that someone pays and completes what they paid for ... should not be allowed. How the hell can a college, a body that is supposed to be open to ideas, take away what these students paid for. Harvard is an elitist trash of a school. The only silver lining is the students that made it without mommy and daddy money.
@@mikeleonard38 Still I have not seen any proof or charges of crimes on these students. How many student protests have taken over buildings in the past without losing their degrees since the Civil Rights protests? Hundreds? Thousands? You talk of them committing crimes forgetting they are protesting much worse crimes.
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Exactly!!! This is the opposite of "Antisemitism"!!! But we don't have the special same privileges. Palestinians are Semitic so I guess it is also Antisemitism against Palestinians and their causes!!! Even YT looks for any opportunity to censor me!!! One group of people hold so much power over the West and the world at large!
Once you realize that Epstein and Maxwell were Mossad assets, everything starts to make alot more sense. You what to know what is more powerful leverage than donations? Blackmail.
Yea it seems like an easy lawsuit to me . Like apart from cheating and actual terrorism I can't imagine a school being able to do this . This is wild . Doesn't matter what they were protesting.
That is ridiculous. One has nothing to do with the other. That is like an employer not paying their employees who have worked hard and diligently everyday for months and just because they spoke out about something, to withhold their paychecks. It is illegal and this should be illegal as well. The students paid their tuition. They put in the required work. They have earned their degrees. Even though the diploma itself is just a celebratory piece of paper (which anyone can fake one up online), the transcripts are the real legal documents and proof. Now if the university decided to withhold their transcripts, that is illegal, but the students should still file a class action lawsuit. Btw, maybe these students all should immediately request a few official copies of their transcripts for safekeeping and have a couple sent directly to their lawyers office for safekeeping, just in case these universities suddenly experience a hack 😉 😉 and or some type of computer glitch or virus where the students’ transcripts disappeared. Don’t put anything pass any powers that be in this country or any country for that matter.
@@Dytopjewa7631 I see. So vandalism, trespassing, and harassment don’t matter? You might want to tell that to the rest of the students who also paid their tuition and made the grades, whose graduations were truncated, moved, or even cancelled. Or the students who were kept from studying from the on-going disruption or who were harassed on their way too and from class?
If u support Hamas, get out of the west and go live in Gaza, Afghanistan, Iraq, Algeria etc. and see how you like it under Islamic laws. be grateful for ur education and show respect to ur countries.
What has that got to do with anything? Are you even thinking? It's not High School. People pay for University education, no University can just withdraw results because they "feel like it'. Get a grip.
What's bad behaviour about demonstrating? Do you see the similarity between the words Democracy and demonstration. Do you need someone to explain to you what living in a democracy means and as to how it is literally translated into "the rule of the people". How is a people supposed to execute their right in a democracy? By demonstrating. Especially in America, where skinheads can wave the Swastika but students who built a little camp on University ground (which is not on the streets so you don't even see them protesting outside of the area) and protest in a peaceful manner are so scary, you people lose your mind. I mean if my mind was so small, I'd loose it too. Go look for some real arguments. Or keep yapping, at least you are exposing your own biases and lack of knowledge. Free P.!!!!
They're told to shut up while they're undergraduates. They'll be told the same after they're hired postgraduation, whether they become politicians, lawyers, engineers, doctors.... We have a wonderful "outspoken, constitution abiding, functional and healthy" world ahead of us!
just shows who is really running the country. it ain't the USA majority but very tiny Minority with roots somewhere else . this group has influence rom top to bottom . happy to see the majority is waking up to this fact
Okay a professor here and it is not okay to withhold diplomas from students who paid and completed the work. This is going too far and frankly, Harvard has a nerve to do this!!!
As a professor, I’m surprised to hear you say that. But hey, if you like these clueless, entitled students camping out in quads to protest the next perceived “injustice”, have at it. Without consequences, bad behavior continues and grows. These students were warned over and over again what would happen if they did not disperse and they ignored it. There HAS TO BE a consequence for that. Otherwise, this will only get worse.
I am sure they know that they will end up getting one in the end. Altho I don't agree with them. They should know better! And this shouldn't be their first lesson in actions have consequences! @@judipierry549
@@Mouffon Except for the fact that this recent interpretation of 'the rules' has been brought about specifically to respond to AIPAC's pressure on Congress and the trickle-down to the universities' leaderships where the leaderships are frequently now being censured by their own boards and faculties for their heavy-handed excesses. It's not quite as clear cut as you're presenting. So..... Again, I'll wager the courts DON'T see this as frivolous. If the students have completed the work they paid for, there's a debt owed by the schools.
@@Mouffon What I see is a 1st Amendment issue that became a matter of punitive actions by the chancellors or presidents once they got heat from Congress, who was getting heat from AIPAC, a foreign lobby. I think those facts will change the hue on this entirely once in court, just as the boards and faculty at numerous schools have chosen to chastise the people responsible for the heavy-handed actions at the behest of political players with conflicting interests, not generic school officials or community members.
@@Mouffon They promoted no violence. That's rhetoric generated to demonize the movement in general. Their being targeted was due to their taking part in the protests as organizers.
Do you know the meaning of the word DESERVE. I'll advice you consult a dictionary and then tell me again in what planet are their actions deserving of a DEGREE.
@@MK_ULTRA420 No...they have a moral conscious to protest against genocide and other injustices of the world. These young adults from these prestigious colleges are futures leaders of the world. It's 1968, all over again. These young people have a right to protest, its their constitutional right.
You have no idea what the wrong or right side of history is. Nobody does. However, if anything, it's the pro-Israel people who have the moral high ground here, not the gullible idiots running around on campuses chanting rhymes.
@@150CarlosChardónAve They do have freedom of speech, the government cannot prosecute them for expressing their opinion. That doesn't mean that private individuals and organizations cannot choose to react to other's speech. Never has, never will.
@@davidgriffith3938But freedom of speech is an entirely ethical issue also! Especially for universities. Free speech is the essence of a university. Don’t pretend otherwise!
@@ninadaly7639 When have Hamas committed genocide? Never. Killing a few and taking hostages is hardly genocide. Where as Israel have done it more than once. They've been breaking international law ever since their inception. For pity's sake learn the history. They've been stealing the Palestinian people's homes and locking up women and children for nothing for decades. They committed their first genocide just months after they became a country for God's sake.
@@DeniseWilliams-jr5xo Who told you that?? You are the one who needs to learn history. HAMAS is a terrorist organization committed to the genocide of jews. Someone has been feeding you propaganda.
I wonder why none of the muslim countries want to accomodate Palestinians in their own country.
Why didn't your countries take the joos after ww2?
because palestinians are nightmare and they have this reputation even in the arab world . the same reason no one wants the kurds around palestinians and kurds bring war with them
Why would Palestinians go to other countries and leave THEIR LAND? If I knocked on your little house of inbreeding and Islamophobia and told you my religion says this is my home now ... would you leave peacefully?
Go move to I$rael
They have told you why... if they do, then they are aiding in genocide/ethnic cleansing. Now fuck off back your colon
Harvard gave the game away with “Harvard CORPORATION”.
Reminds me of a pop culture reference.
"I work for the company. But don't let that fool you, I'm really an okay guy."
The Education corporation.
Yes, schools are businesses. What the hell did you think they were?
@@ninadaly7639 non-profits
@@tryscience Non profits are BUSINESSES.
That’s hilarious. Throwing your future away for nothing. Proud parents for sure.
What has happened to the USA? How dreadful!
They let n bitcchhs take over Harvard.
Ask them to define a woman, there's your answer what happened here.
@JanetteHeffernan USA hasn't changed much. Everyone can just see it better now.
@@shinehy403
Oh we changed, our own citizens turned traitors caused this. Guess what, it wasn't the Red party who threw their country under the bus.
But, by all means if your country is so much better, please share it with us.
@@shinehy403
We went straight into social Marxism, of course we changed.
Maybe Vlad will sanitize Europe though, that entire continent has bas plagued the world for centuries.
Tough,they ruined their own big day .
Free the hostages.
They should be denied degrees. That what accountability is. If you chose to break university rules, then you run the risk of denying yourself a degree.
Also permanent arrest records for the trespassing. Preferably felony trespass.
How about deny degrees to those who required tax payers to bail them out of their college debt first.
Have you been born like that? With no soul? Or did these symptoms come in childhood??
@@Amanda-Meme-Witch you should be in jail but it will be worse for you when you meet your maker for your evil nature
@@yousreyakhalil5238
Do you remember how many college students destroyed universities all over the country in 2020?
The same Dems who took part in 2020, are the same Dems arresting these protestors.
The hypocrisy here is 2nd to none.
Harvard, or any university, is a SERVANT (service provider of educational services). Where the F does Harvard get off not giving graduation degrees? The fee was paid, the courses were successfully completed. Kick Harvard's ass.
......what its coming to, those kids protesting has 0 influence on anything.
Let's see....because they didn't meet ALL the degree requirements, which includes several tenets, one of which is passing all the classes.....
@@NickHarmon-w8o The service provider Harvard did what it was hired to to, deliver education. Students confirmed they obtained the education by passing requisite tests/exams. End of story. Harvard is a SERVANT, not the boss.
@@healthyself7941 No, sorry it doesn't work that way. There are always more requirements for obtaining a degree than merely passing classes.
@@NickHarmon-w8o It's like hiriing a dog trainer or an accountant. You retain them fpr specific goals and you pay them to perform certain tasks. They are not the boss. You are. When students start studies at university, they should stop saying, "I was accepted at Harvard", and instead say, "I selected Harvard as my servant (service provider)." Currently there's a power imbalance.
Law suit in the millions... We have something called a constitution. There are many laws that violate our rights and need to be challenged and this is one way to do it. Harvard should be held accountable.
@@Mouffon Nothing, he's just an old man who is cranky because he doesn't have any beer.
Harvard is holding people accountable. If they don't do this, they're letting everyone know that their university is not safe for certain religions and ethnicities.
Why aren't the lawsuits flying at this point. If I paid a quarter million dollars for a degree I earned, I'd try and sue
You want to pay at least twice that to sue Harvard?
There won’t be. Suing is VERY expensive.
@@Mouffon Corporate rules does not supersede Constitutional Rights. Also, they paid for and passed their courses. Therefore, they cannot hold their degrees. They could have expelled them if they had not already completed the course and thus withhold the degree. But course work and been paid for and successfully completed. This will be revered without the need for a lawsuit. And they are going to take the "Corporate" stance then they should lose the government funding side and lose their accreditation. Since, losing their accreditation is essentially equivalent to withholding the students' degrees.
@@jonq.public5892 you are forgetting that if any student breaks the law or behaves themselves in a manner that breaks the school’s code of conduct, they can be suspended or denied a diploma. Hate speech, illegal occupation of school grounds, calling for genocide of Jews - all are against the BASIC code of conduct for any school. I would also add that if they are protesting against something they can’t even articulate or provide arguments for (outside of what they read on TikTok), then they should be denied their diplomas by the virtue of being simply a pack of ignorant morons
they paid to get an education, not stop people they hate from getting an education. Play stupid games win stupid prizes
Isnt this simply theft? Denying them something they PAID for and earned, is tantamount to theft and fraud.
That's what I said
@@mimiruss8444 Bitter?
They'll be lucky if they aren't charged with felonies
No. But being told dozens of times to disperse, told law enforcement would be called, and told again dozens of times by police to disperse, all of which they ignored, does make them trespassers and subject to a criminal charge.
@@ninadaly7639 The US justice system and the college system are two separate things. Ultimately, Harvard is a business and can be sued for breach of contract if they withhold their diplomas.
Same old anti israel talk again,let the students learn how hard life really is ,Gaza started a war and now your a victim.
same old Zio-$hilling that acts like everything started on Oct 7
What religious group owns and controls Harvard???
nothing to do with religion. Everything to do with a fascist movement that uses religion (and past persecution) as an excuse mass murder.
From their stench I'd say Muslims
Effectively stealing tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars from those students.
Easily hundreds of thousands.
@@ark194 waste of bread
Stealing? It was the students choice to protest.
@@ninadaly7639 and they paid for their education and completed all classes. Your point?
@@nrsrymj They agreed to abide by the school’s conduct code and they failed.
If they’re withholding the diplomas… they should cancel any $ the students owe them. This is ridiculous.
AND refund every penny the students paid. I hope these students sue Harvard and win. . . .with PUNITIVE awards!
😂😂😂 Good luck with that 🤡
Shameful! The university (actually a corporation) has no right to withhold their degrees! Harvard should be proud of these students instead they are witholdytheir degrees. Because the Harvard corporation and administration are purchased, guess by who.
By other protesters?
pro-palestine and pro-peace is an oxymoron . who started the war in ocotber 7 ? why dont they return the hostages and call an end to hostilities.
They all want to pretend that didn’t happen
It's a testimony to the amazing power of propaganda that you believe Hamas started the hostilities on October 7. And Israel has rejected multiple offers to return the hostages in exchange for an end to the war.
They learned the same thing their friends in Hamas are learning, actions have consequences
Zionists are dumb.
Ok mr. Free speech
and Zioni$ts never have consequences because they blackmailed american politicians through honeypot operations involving underage girls.
"Chosen People Of God" wouldn't need to do that if they were truly Chosen by God.
Good , you're at school to learn not to throw temper tantrums . If your actions are causing others education to suffer then you don't deserve a diploma .
Also world doesn't need semi humans who have no sense no feelings with what happened in Palestine since 1948
@@haifaataya1764 How so very Nazi of you. Perfectly on brand with Hamas supporters.
@@willythemailboy2look at you crybaby as Jew. ISREAL IS THE NEW NAZI GERMANY.
The larger problem is our universities have become leftist indoctrination centers. There were several professors like Norman Finklestein celebrate the October 7th attacks. The odd thing is he is Jewish.
that applies to you don't, don't protest anything no mattrer what.
Just take shit, and stop crying over I$rael, traitor
This serves to delegitimization college institutions not students. Good luck universities y’all are gonna need it.
How can you withhold degrees for something they paid for??
The same way you can get expelled from universities you pay to attend.
Because the chosen ones said so.
@user-ui5bo5um8m Yes, but expulsion happens before graduation not after completion of studies.
@@taz09216 This punishment IS occurring before graduation. It does not matter whether their classes have concluded.
@user-ui5bo5um8m No, they had already graduated and waiting to be awarded
Actions have Consequences
And you will be punished for the rest of your life you will be doomed
Unlike for the current Israeli regime?
That is not fair at all. Education is their right and protesting. It is sick that Harvard is playing politics and not anything against the genocide that is happening Palestine.
Correction, it WAS their right, until they abused it. And all for something they don’t even begin to understand.
If i were a Havard graduate that didn't receive my diploma, I'd have to talk to a lawyer that graduated from Yale.
I am sure they will be sued
If you were a Harvard graduate but didn't read the college handbook you probably should've just gone to community college.
@@jackaljade_ sure
@@jamesdetwiler3894 you should be sure that it's in the handbook, since Ana Kasparian quoted it.
@@jackaljade_ 👍
They should never have been punished or worried about that.
If they had been protesting for Israel nothing eould have happened to them
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Don't need to protest for Israel They are winning the war started by Yahya Sinwar.
@@fowlerja Oh I didn't know that Yahya Sinwar was alive in the early 1900's! Wow call the Guinness book of world records.
@@aryastark3148 Take the time to look back before & after 1900's.The Balfour Declaration: How was Britain involved in 1948? How much land did Israel acquire after the Six Day War? Did Israel trade Gaza for peace in 2005? Did the Romans first give the name 'Palestinian' to the Jewish people? The only ones who wish to kill all Jews are the genocidal terrorists.
Clear double standards
Has nothing to do with WHAT they were protesting (clearly the students didn’t know). It’s about HOW they protested.
Harvard is afraid of losing endowments from certain group.
We taxpayers should not be giving them a penny and all foreign money should be banned. Let them spend the 50 billion dollar endowment. With their bloated paychecks it won’t last long.
This. Decency is disappearing in this country
The dirty oil money they get from the Middle East to brainwash these punks.
@@marcosolo6491 Are you listening to yourself and your justification for Israeli atrocities it’s completely parallel to the same kind of claims and justifications another historically condemned and infamous group made to dehumanize and justify their atrocities towards Jewish people…
@@marcosolo6491 oh, so helping in genosaid wasn't enough?
Harvard shall be sued and pay a hefty price.
Yep.
BS
@@ninadaly7639 Harvard was established for the education of Protestan ministers, not to kiss the Zionist ass. It us the end of Harvard Corporation. This time you're not going to getaway. There is nowhere left for you to escape to.
So where are the geographical roots of the so-called Palestinians???????
Hamas Minister of the Interior and of National Security Fathi Hammad, aired by Al-Hekma TV on March 23, 2012. Stated..........we all have Arab roots, and every Palestinian, in Gaza and throughout Palestine, can prove his Arab roots - whether from Saudi Arabia, from Yemen, or anywhere. We have blood ties. Personally, half my family is Egyptian. We are all like that. More than 30 families in the Gaza Strip are called Al-Masri ["Egyptian"]. Brothers, half of the Palestinians are Egyptians, and the other half are Saudis. Who are the Palestinians? We have many families called Al-Masri, whose roots are Egyptian. Egyptian! They may be from Alexandria, from Cairo, from Dumietta, from the North, from Aswan, from Upper Egypt. We are Egyptians.
The so-called Palestinians are not even from Palestine!!!!!!!!!!
Harvard administration - big Zioni$t stronghold there.
@TheseUniformsAreLame Yes. The exact same right Palestine has to exist.
@TheseUniformsAreLame Yes, but so do Palestinians! Cenk never said they didn't.
@TheseUniformsAreLame Many Jews including Holocaust survivors are not Zionists. The illegal Settlers are all hard-core Zionists.
So do they get their tuition back?
I'm betting not.
I’m sure they can sue over this. Lawsuits are probably being filed as we watch this.
These 13 students have invested time and money and EARNED their degrees. They should sue HARVARD and seek relief in the form of their DIPLOMAS and LEGAL FEES and let DISCOVERY reveal HARVARD'S disgusting CORRUPTIONS.
TERRORISTS should go back to their TERRORIST countries and stop bringing their EVIL and DISGUSTING bigotry here to first world countries. THANK you
@@Crispytuba328 bot
@@Crispytuba328 Trolls are starving, here's some attention. I noticed you.
I support Israel and think it’s wrong to hold graduates diplomas.
@@chopchopchop5585 Call everyone a troll when you simply can't back yourself up with facts 🤡
Oh please! Your actions should be accountable! Be jobless!
Defund AIPAC🤞
Nobody funds AIPAC you idjit. AIPAC funds itself and the activities it promotes.
@@Harry-Storm israel and zionist americans do. aipac should be outlawed.
@@Harry-Storm AIPAC launders war money 💰 to reinvest into lobbying.
It's not gonna happen
Only way is to ban all pac funding
@@gervas4935 You're entitled to your ignorant, Israel-hating opinion.
Lawsuits … time for the people to sue the government …and the schools
Play stupid game win stupid prizes. That was not a peaceful protest.
ACLU should take Harvard to court. The students should get their diplomas and large monetary compensation.
Privet entity , they can do what they want , like social media in 2020 . This is the liberal stance .
@@Mike-rc7gn Private entity cannot do what it wants. They had no problems taking their money and they must give them their degrees. Shame on Harvard, shame on Harvard, shame on Harvard.
@@Ashmooni not if they broke the law
@@WES-z5m
That’s for the court to decide.
Do we need anymore reason to hate Harvard?
Barack Obama was a Harvard graduate. 🤣🤏 Demopeabrain
They can't silence students
They did that themselves.
Oh!!!! Take the school board to court. Sue the school board as a body and bring individual suits againtst all those who voted yey to keeping these degrees these kids worked and paid for
They passed all their classes right?
Then they are entitled to that degree …….. sue them to oblivion…. The endowment has the money
Yes, free education for all those students. This is incredible for them.
@@leafmagiic748
That’s not how it works
But those student’s parents don’t, I assure you.
@@ninadaly7639 They don’t need money to sue. It’ll be a class action
@@user-wl2xl5hm7k Excuse me? You think lawyers would do a class-action that could so easily go against them?
A Diploma is the result of studying and passing exams - what has protesting to do with it? Are those universities holding back those diplomas as punishment, and despite the fact that they have been earned by the students?
I don't think these students earn their diploma ,instead they wasted their parents hard money ...too sad.
The students blew it.
Wonderful news. Breaking rules and laws have consequences in the real world.
Yes! I was about to write actions have consequences! And with rights come responsibilities
Yeah, who would of thought that standing with terrorists will have consequences...
So stop siding with them.
🤦🏿♂️🤣😂 the best part of you trickled down your mom's inner thigh and left a stain on some guy's futon...
Some naive still call US system as democracy
Sadist Muslim we can spot you out
Never was and never will be. America is not a democracy, look it up!
these 13 will be able to wear this as a badge of honour and likely end up in politics in a few years.... this could even cause the university to lose their position as an international academic facility of choice
they should be deported and arrested
@@karllaur3866 Okay like that’s not a fascist and authoritarian take. Your support of ethnic cleansing and punishment of those against it is duly noted.
@@marvsmusings womp womp
@@marvsmusings There is the report button for such comments. Don't take on the troll farm.
More like they will be held up as examples of why you should understand what you’re protesting before you protest and sacrifice a degree.
They don't deserve any diploma or degree.
If you give them there money back they will be smarter and have money
Should make a good law suit. I hope they sue the A$$ off Harvard and win
They paid and earned their degrees!!!! This is what happens when you have BUSINESSES run schools!
Doesn't matter...part of getting your degree requires that you abide by the student handbook.
um....no, there's more required to earning a degree than passing the classes. It's just that almost all students actually have no trouble doing those things.....
@@jawant6039 but peaceful protests are allowed.
We've been told that America has Freedom of Speech .. Since When? Says Who?
How can they do that? These people worked hard for those diplomas. And paid for them also.
Sue the school. Despite whether you disagreed with their protest or not, they completed their course of study. They earned that degree and they should hire attorney's and sue Harvard to get their degrees and pay all legal fees.
They won’t be able to afford to sue.
@@ninadaly7639 Did you read the last sentence. Make Harvard pay all legal fees.
@@michaelsweat9044 Only if they win. You want a lawyer to take it to trial and potentially NOT get paid? Not going to happen.
It depends on what the students actual did. If they committed a crime before graduation, the school can certainly punish them. In these types of situations facts matter.
@@victorbernard1256 They denied them their diplomas because they were part of the tent protests.
Of course, these Pro-Palestinians violated the rules of the university. It is not racist issue. The students are have misbehaved and what they did was gravely serious.
arrest them too
Havard University kerp your word. Please do not give them the degree certificate. If you do so, you will not be trusted, and students in the future will take you for a ride.
I agree, these are hateful students and should not get a degree. Harvard is a place of learning not of hatred.
PLACE OF BIAS
ENDOCTRINATION?
@@SHERRI-gc6ko skill issue
Next! 🤔
Withhold diplomas, pay back student fees and tuition.
Or NOT.
@@ninadaly7639 Look! Someone with no capital fighting for capitalist. So, you mean to tell me that you will pay for a service up front and then let that service provider keep your money without completing the work you paid for because you support the fair treatment of innocent people?
@@mstrwil73 There is a huge difference between a protest and breaking the law. They have every right to protest, the problem started when they chose to break the law. There are standards of conduct on these campasses, they do not have a legs to stand on. They need to tread cafefully as some are talking drastic action like depotation. There is a bill to send them to Gaza,(wont happen, at least I would hope not!) The world is crazy. You never know what retailiation will come.
@@mstrwil73 No, but if I signed up to attend a school and agreed to abide by the schools rules and policies, but was talked into protesting an issue I knew little about and in so doing harassed other students, destroyed school property,, blocked thoroughfares, made a general ass of myself on campus and got myself arrested, I would have done it to myself, wouldn’t I?
Do you mean to tell me you think you can do whatever you want without accepting the consequences?
@@ninadaly7639 What school policy restricts your right to your first amendment? What property was destroyed or throughfares were blocked. Sounds like your belief is based on your biases or what the narrative is within your circle. The only violence and/or destruction was done by police and ant-protestors. Rather than witnessing anything or knowing facts of what actually happened, you chose to live in the lie because the truth doesn't suit your bias. If I pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to anyone who offers me a service, they better complete said services even if I don't support a beleif that they do.
All the 13 students should take the Harvard School board to court for withholding their diplomas.
Adult decisions have consequences. These rich college students need to realize that.
Good luck with that😂😂😂
Better yet, cancel their degrees.
^Cancel-Culture liberal^
Harvard has been wrong every step of the way 😂
Joe Biden has been wrong every step of the way in solving this tragedy.
Move Over USA, Joe’s “Open Border” Is More Important.
Protesters have marched in the streets concerning the issue of “Free Palestine”. Why haven't college students stepped up to the plate and addressed the following very important issues in America? Their motives may be sincere but the importance of the issues they choose to protest is lacking.
How about switching your sign to read: “Save America” against the invasion of 8-10 million “illegal” people, from around the world, across an “Open Border”, including criminals, “want to be” terrorists , and fentanyl drug smugglers?
Fentanyl ( a synthetic chemical drug) kills 75,000 young Americans ( age 15-44) each year. 300,000 families will bury their children during Joe Biden’s Presidential term. If Joe is re-elected, expect the total to rise to 600,000. This will be a tad less than all US military fatalities, in all wars since the beginning of WWII.
World War I: 116,516
World War II: 405,399
Korean War: 36,574
Vietnam War: 58,220
Iraq War: 4,487
Afghanistan War: 2,442
Total: 613,749
Most of the fentanyl coming into the U.S. is trafficked into the country through Joe Biden’s “open border” policy on the southwest border by transnational criminal organizations. Fentanyl is up to 50 times stronger than heroin and 100 times stronger than morphine. Like other opioids, fentanyl use can lead to dependency and addiction.
Joe Biden does not talk about this horrific epidemic of opioid drugs on the campaign trail. 300,000 dead Americans and not a word from Joe or the White House. It's as though this scourge is completely nonexistent.
Looks like America comes in second place for important issues by Joe Biden. Joe does not use the democratic system to make decisions about "open border" policies, but implements decisions from the White House that have allowed "when and how" "illegal immigrants" and "drugs" can cross into America.
"Pay attention to what Joe Biden does or does not do for America , because his actions will tell you everything you need to know."
Until now
Time for a BIG FAT LAWSUIT!
...and I'm all for it, Harvard is a MAGAt lawyer factory.
Therefore, free education for all those students. This is incredible for them.
@@user-wl2xl5hm7kwithout a degree it's like they were never students at all even if they get their money back. Good luck with a career.
@@nrsrymj *Listen well, this is how employment works:*
Those students are blacklisted _only_ for bad corporations. The good ones will hire them immediately.
This is a badge of honor that shows morality and conscientiousness: Exactly what employers look for in an employee.
@@user-wl2xl5hm7k lol, that's certainly not how ANY corporations work, which are amoral entities designed to maximize profit. What their hiring departments will see is that an applicant doesn't have a degree and they will be promptly dismissed.
@@nrsrymj Re-read my comment. You misread it.
If you don’t think a corporation requires a team, then you’re out of it.
Withhold degress for graduate students for protected activity? Isn't this an easy lawsuit 😂
@@Mouffonyeah this finna be a big lawsuit. You think you can take somebody's money and federal funds and not give them their diploma if that's the case give them back their money or give them their degree
What about the thousands of children killed in Africa? Why are these people not protesting for what is happening in Haiti? Why only the people who support Iran, Hezbollah and Hammas should be allowed to protest. Something is wrong with this picture.
They hate the west and they especially hate jews which are both seen as part of the west and as... well, jews.
@@giltuito1545 stop your sickness, half of the people protesting our Jews! Righteous and moral Jews !
They should sue.
They can’t afford it.
@@ninadaly7639 They could probably find a progressive lawyer that would take their case for a lower fee and with a crowd funding effort, it might work... better than paying student loans on a degree they earned and were not given.
@@AnnC-h5g Good luck.
Even rapists and murderers are given permission to study and receive degrees. This is pure politics.
It isn't. Every University has a code of conduct, just like a Criminal can be given terms of parole. Any violation of those terms has consequences. I don't know if you went to a University but the Degree is not just for academics, it's for Academics and Character and not meeting the criteria of either is enough to have a student kicked out of school. When did America start supporting TERRORISTS it ones used to pride itself of not negotiating with. It's still this same generation of young people who just some few months back trended on TIKTOK with OSAMA BIN LADEN letter, saying Osama Bin Laden is a HERO. UNBELIEVABLE. And to think these same young people are the leaders of America's future. Incase you are not seeing it, America is GONE.
@@jobcreationmaster Let’s see supporting Palestinian civilians who are being ethnically cleansed and collectively punished is not equivalent to supporting terrorists. You think ethnic cleansing is okay? The leadership at Harvard is showing a lack of moral character here as are you thinking that protesting these atrocities against other human beings is a bad thing. Did you know it’s possible to be against what Hamas did on the 7th and the Israeli governments actions as well? Your false equivalency is grasping at straws and stinks of racism and dehumanization of the Palestinian civilians.
@@marvsmusings no such thing as palastine civilians, but they're brought up to hate America and Israel since day one. No quarter will be given.
@@marvsmusings ethnicly cleansed my ass , no one buys that line of bull excrement. They are no more being "ethnicly cleansed" than the Germans were in WW2 or the Italians or Japanese.
And the vast majority of people know it.
@@ryanbruno8871 You realize that same dehumanizing logic can be used against you for any crimes your government commits as well right? Your claim is straight up fallacious and dehumanizing just so you can cope with the fact you are defending ethnic cleansing and collective punishment.
They should be more concerned about withholding the degrees of clearly uneducated people who go on to be severely intellectually short politicians.
Aka Affirmative action students.
That’s what these protesting students are!
Take a good look at who governs the US. A bunch of corrupt, greedy, immoral, deranged, fascist lying psychos. The worst part is that the politicians are puppets for a foreign state who is in control of the government to the detriment of US citizens.
Free the USA from AIPAC
Free Gaza from Hamas
AIPAC is a traitorous, terrorist organization.
Protesting is our right!!
Not when you are committing a crime. These rioters are not that stupid, they knew what they did was illegal. You can't "Takeover" a building or part of a college and call it protesting. These are domestic terrorists, and should be charged for that. How many people were killed, because law enforcement was baby sitting these spoiled brats. They do not deserve to say they are Harvard Grads.
and the fact that someone pays and completes what they paid for ... should not be allowed. How the hell can a college, a body that is supposed to be open to ideas, take away what these students paid for. Harvard is an elitist trash of a school. The only silver lining is the students that made it without mommy and daddy money.
@@mikeleonard38 Still I have not seen any proof or charges of crimes on these students.
How many student protests have taken over buildings in the past without losing their degrees since the Civil Rights protests? Hundreds? Thousands?
You talk of them committing crimes forgetting they are protesting much worse crimes.
Freedom of speech unless criticizing Israel!
Wow apparently you should not waste your time or money at this school.
So I assume that Harvard will refund their tuition?
Deport
It's crazy how much power israel and aipac have over our country.
You will sh!t bricks.
Or as Henry Ford said:
When you come face-to-face with the monstrous complex organization they have,
you will be frozen in fear .
Henry Ford 1920
All those doctor jump in line to dance tiktok
Left wing Right wing, but all 1000% Israel anything
💥every country whom hasn't a Central Bank, or recognized Israel as a state, in the u.n.
Guess whom was exempt during probation .....😂
Making Laws,for only us.
Jesus tried to warn us 🐑 🐑 🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑
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Exactly!!! This is the opposite of "Antisemitism"!!! But we don't have the special same privileges.
Palestinians are Semitic so I guess it is also Antisemitism against Palestinians and their causes!!! Even YT looks for any opportunity to censor me!!! One group of people hold so much power over the West and the world at large!
Once you realize that Epstein and Maxwell were Mossad assets, everything starts to make alot more sense. You what to know what is more powerful leverage than donations? Blackmail.
@@EPIzen24FBI and lansky textbook tribe behavior.
@@johnrambo1227 The synagogue of satan.
Can someone please explain to HARVARD LAW SCHOOL that peaceful protest is a right.
That sounds illegal to me. They've earned their degrees.
Yea it seems like an easy lawsuit to me . Like apart from cheating and actual terrorism I can't imagine a school being able to do this . This is wild . Doesn't matter what they were protesting.
Yep
THERE IS NO FREE SPEECH IN AMERICA
That is ridiculous. One has nothing to do with the other. That is like an employer not paying their employees who have worked hard and diligently everyday for months and just because they spoke out about something, to withhold their paychecks. It is illegal and this should be illegal as well. The students paid their tuition. They put in the required work. They have earned their degrees. Even though the diploma itself is just a celebratory piece of paper (which anyone can fake one up online), the transcripts are the real legal documents and proof. Now if the university decided to withhold their transcripts, that is illegal, but the students should still file a class action lawsuit.
Btw, maybe these students all should immediately request a few official copies of their transcripts for safekeeping and have a couple sent directly to their lawyers office for safekeeping, just in case these universities suddenly experience a hack 😉 😉 and or some type of computer glitch or virus where the students’ transcripts disappeared. Don’t put anything pass any powers that be in this country or any country for that matter.
Those students paid their tuition, made the grades, give them their degrees. Cowards.
Exactly! Way before the tragedy that happened there..
You left out violated school policy, destroyed school property and got arrested for trespassing. Hate it when that happens.
@@ninadaly7639 wow ! Serious crimes ..sort of like crossing the notice less/featureless southern border..
@@Dytopjewa7631 I see. So vandalism, trespassing, and harassment don’t matter? You might want to tell that to the rest of the students who also paid their tuition and made the grades, whose graduations were truncated, moved, or even cancelled. Or the students who were kept from studying from the on-going disruption or who were harassed on their way too and from class?
@@ninadaly7639 The punishment,Doesn’t fit the crime..Seriousness of a crime..can be made as severe as law makers want it to be....
If u support Hamas, get out of the west and go live in Gaza, Afghanistan, Iraq, Algeria etc. and see how you like it under Islamic laws. be grateful for ur education and show respect to ur countries.
protestors against israels policies doesnt mean they support hamas.
That's blatantly obvious.
and also you sound like an uncle tom.
These are not kids they are grown adults. Stop excusing grown people bad behaviors...
What has that got to do with anything? Are you even thinking? It's not High School. People pay for University education, no University can just withdraw results because they "feel like it'. Get a grip.
What's bad behaviour about demonstrating? Do you see the similarity between the words Democracy and demonstration. Do you need someone to explain to you what living in a democracy means and as to how it is literally translated into "the rule of the people". How is a people supposed to execute their right in a democracy? By demonstrating. Especially in America, where skinheads can wave the Swastika but students who built a little camp on University ground (which is not on the streets so you don't even see them protesting outside of the area) and protest in a peaceful manner are so scary, you people lose your mind. I mean if my mind was so small, I'd loose it too.
Go look for some real arguments. Or keep yapping, at least you are exposing your own biases and lack of knowledge.
Free P.!!!!
Bad behavior? Are you joking? This is not funny.
The one group you aren't allowed to criticise...
Many of the protesters are themselves Jewish.
there are laws to protesting as well, if you break them you might face consequences that's just how it is.. you can't eat the cake and leave it whole
what law did they break?
They're told to shut up while they're undergraduates. They'll be told the same after they're hired postgraduation, whether they become politicians, lawyers, engineers, doctors.... We have a wonderful "outspoken, constitution abiding, functional and healthy" world ahead of us!
Absolutely insane. These students worked hard to graduate.
Even if they received a degree no one would hire them.
Good for Harvard 👏🏽
just shows who is really running the country. it ain't the USA majority but very tiny Minority with roots somewhere else . this group has influence rom top to bottom . happy to see the majority is waking up to this fact
Okay a professor here and it is not okay to withhold diplomas from students who paid and completed the work. This is going too far and frankly, Harvard has a nerve to do this!!!
As a professor, I’m surprised to hear you say that. But hey, if you like these clueless, entitled students camping out in quads to protest the next perceived “injustice”, have at it. Without consequences, bad behavior continues and grows. These students were warned over and over again what would happen if they did not disperse and they ignored it. There HAS TO BE a consequence for that. Otherwise, this will only get worse.
I’m not a professor but have been a university student. I’m okay with the denial of walking. NOT okay with refusing diploma/degree.
I am sure they know that they will end up getting one in the end. Altho I don't agree with them. They should know better! And this shouldn't be their first lesson in actions have consequences! @@judipierry549
Why not??
You're not really a professor stop lying
Sounds like grounds for some civil court actions. Let's see just how wealthy Harvard's donors really are.
@@Mouffon I believe you'll find that the court doesn't regard such a suit as 'frivolous' at all. And I'll bet the suits are coming soon.
@@Mouffon Except for the fact that this recent interpretation of 'the rules' has been brought about specifically to respond to AIPAC's pressure on Congress and the trickle-down to the universities' leaderships where the leaderships are frequently now being censured by their own boards and faculties for their heavy-handed excesses. It's not quite as clear cut as you're presenting. So..... Again, I'll wager the courts DON'T see this as frivolous. If the students have completed the work they paid for, there's a debt owed by the schools.
@@Mouffon Oh, I'm also a former board member for a State chapter of the ACLU, by the way.
@@Mouffon What I see is a 1st Amendment issue that became a matter of punitive actions by the chancellors or presidents once they got heat from Congress, who was getting heat from AIPAC, a foreign lobby. I think those facts will change the hue on this entirely once in court, just as the boards and faculty at numerous schools have chosen to chastise the people responsible for the heavy-handed actions at the behest of political players with conflicting interests, not generic school officials or community members.
@@Mouffon They promoted no violence. That's rhetoric generated to demonize the movement in general. Their being targeted was due to their taking part in the protests as organizers.
The degree is conditional, so then the school should give back the 13 students tuition monies!!!!
Maybe they have to finish their degree in Gaza would be better morons
@@Agal-xf8lzyou think there are universities in Gaza?
Some of these jobs REQUIREdegrees. No DEGREES, NO JOB…..
they will be hired in Gaza .even without diplomas..
violent protesters ...
THE 13 STUDENTS SMART ENOUGH TO KNOW WHAT WILL BE THE OUT COME.................SORRY FOR YOU BUT THE RULE IS THE RULE.
....... and which constitution ???
Lawsuit
You can't trust these people, just take them to court and sue them. Those students deserve their degree. The Harvard board are being petty.
Do you know the meaning of the word DESERVE. I'll advice you consult a dictionary and then tell me again in what planet are their actions deserving of a DEGREE.
They deserve to have their degrees withheld for breaking the school's rules. Also good luck suing Harvard lol.
@@MK_ULTRA420 No...they have a moral conscious to protest against genocide and other injustices of the world. These young adults from these prestigious colleges are futures leaders of the world. It's 1968, all over again. These young people have a right to protest, its their constitutional right.
@@jb2736 Your opinion doesn't override the school's rules. Womp womp.
@@MK_ULTRA420 Its 1986, all over again, 😁
Take them to court
Harvard is on the WRONG side of history.
You have no idea what the wrong or right side of history is. Nobody does. However, if anything, it's the pro-Israel people who have the moral high ground here, not the gullible idiots running around on campuses chanting rhymes.
Too bad the student have to wait to be written up in history books. That also assumes that there are still history books to write after November.
@@Harry-Storm I do know what is what is right and wrong.
"no one knows what the right side of history is but I know what the right side of history is."
~ @@Harry-Storm , May 23, 2024
@@nrsrymj are you armed?
1st amendment not taught in Harvard?
Not a 1st Amendment issue. Harvard is a private university, 1st amendment only applies to the government.
@@davidgriffith3938 You are right, those 13 students don't have freedom of speech, my bad.
@@150CarlosChardónAve They do have freedom of speech, the government cannot prosecute them for expressing their opinion. That doesn't mean that private individuals and organizations cannot choose to react to other's speech. Never has, never will.
It's over for Harvard.
@@davidgriffith3938But freedom of speech is an entirely ethical issue also! Especially for universities.
Free speech is the essence of a university.
Don’t pretend otherwise!
Like churches these schools are tax exempt . Let’s change that .
Being lenient in laws ,gives abusers lisence to abuse more... Abusers themselve be fitted with penalties to the degree of their abuse...
Harvard is showing tolerance. They do not judge Israel for being genocidal
Nor do they judge HAMAS for being genocidal!
@@ninadaly7639 When have Hamas committed genocide? Never. Killing a few and taking hostages is hardly genocide. Where as Israel have done it more than once. They've been breaking international law ever since their inception. For pity's sake learn the history. They've been stealing the Palestinian people's homes and locking up women and children for nothing for decades. They committed their first genocide just months after they became a country for God's sake.
@@DeniseWilliams-jr5xo Who told you that?? You are the one who needs to learn history. HAMAS is a terrorist organization committed to the genocide of jews. Someone has been feeding you propaganda.
100%!!! @@ninadaly7639