The Etobicoke line originated in the same TTC 1969 plan that proposed streetcar LRT from Warden northeast to Malvern, west via the Finch hydro corridor and then south and west to the airport and Kipling Station. The "spur" into the airport would be shared by trains coming either from the south or the north. BTW your loop track at Kipling Station would have required cars with left side doors, something that was not contemplated at the time. More likely double track south of the station ending in a loop where cars would reverse and serve the platform facing west.
With the Line 5 west extension hopefully opening up in the next decade I think a second attempt at an Etobicoke RT could serve as a shuttle line connecting Renforth and Kipling, the western termini of Line 5 and Line 2 respectively, since there are currently hardly any rapid transit options between the two stations (the closest thing we have right now is the 109 MiWay express bus). The "Etobicoke RT 2.0/Etobicoke Line" (as I call it) could also fill in the rather huge gaps left by the current express buses (both TTC and MiWay). However I would suggest a few modifications: Once it reaches Eglinton it turns west onto the Line 5 corridor towards Renforth and then eventually up north to Pearson, effectively complementing Line 5. Remove the north segment from Pearson to Finch since Line 6 will likely be extended to Pearson too (I think someone either on this video or on another website suggested that Line 6 could extend to Kipling via the same corridor). Mode of transit could be either light rail as originally intended, with tracks directly on the grass like parts of Line 5, or automated light metro like the Ontario Line. Either way thanks to the upgraded mode of transit travel between Kipling and Pearson should take just as long as the current 900 express bus.
I’m surprised they’ve never done anything with the second platform there. But who knows maybe one day they’ll actually use it and build something similar to the original proposed line. Would be nice to have something better than a bus for people to get up to the north end of Etobicoke
Love your videos! Hope you can keep making more! I’m surprised this idea isn’t still floated around today since it seems it would still fit pretty well for our current transit needs.
Good video. Maybe we can still utilize the hydro corridors. The Ontario Line could run west from Exhibition along the Queensway or on the Gardiner then north to Kipling Station and beyond. Wishful thinking I know. Being elevated at grade or in a trench where needed might do the trick and eliminate the need for the Eglinton West Extension to the airport. Fingers crossed. Cheers.
No, no, you're right it is ALRV not CLRV. CLRV was used for replacing PCC while ALRV was used for light rail projects but were then used on streetcar projects due to cancellation of several light rail projects.
Sounds like a line like this is achievable given the fact that the Finch West LRT is to be built (at least the part connecting Kipling and the airport and Finch West LRT.
You mention the Etobicoke LRT could have connected to the Line 5 - which is true today inasmuch that it will one day connect with the sadly way overbuilt buried western extension of the crosstown (why is it a subway??) - at the time they were thinking more along the lines of a busway for that part of the city, possibly with conversion to rail one day. As you go into in your Eginton West video - which is great. I guess it’s sorta which frame of reference do you want to use - what would line have looked like at the time based on plans that were on the board? Or what would this line look like today? You’re sorta conflating the two. That said I think this is one of your best videos - you do great work (I don’t know if the bus routes are historically accurate, but even if not, that’s okay), I think the detail is great. One note is that when going through the line, the close up is great, but to alternate between close up and zoom in, as it’s hard to know exactly where one is. Or a split screen? - I do love the whole “unbuilt” series. I’d love to see a video you could put together or maybe “10 other ways Toronto could have ended up looking” basically what if they hadn’t built the 407 and instead gone all in on transit? Or what if they had built all the subways? Or built the Downtown Relief Line earlier? What would Toronto with a Streetcar subway look like today? Etc…. Basically taking all of your videos and imagining what the city would look like today if transportation planning (highways and transit) had gone wildly differently. It’s not a video I have seen anyone else really do - and would be great. Be happy to help with ideas. Don’t have a Patreon! I would be happy to support.
Both You and Reece Martin are making videos on information you know very little of. Maybe both of you should study Transportation planning and work 10 years in the field before you start making videos
![[Unbuilt Toronto] - The Downtown Relief Line](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/8hH1BlDeAj8/mqdefault.jpg)
The fact that this video is the ONLY VIDEO ABOUT THE ETOBICOKE RT ON THE INTERNET IS INSANE!!! (Not including articles)
The Etobicoke line originated in the same TTC 1969 plan that proposed streetcar LRT from Warden northeast to Malvern, west via the Finch hydro corridor and then south and west to the airport and Kipling Station. The "spur" into the airport would be shared by trains coming either from the south or the north. BTW your loop track at Kipling Station would have required cars with left side doors, something that was not contemplated at the time. More likely double track south of the station ending in a loop where cars would reverse and serve the platform facing west.
I wish this line would've existed. If it did chances are it would connect with the Finch West LRT
Are you telling me that we could’ve had actual rapid transit connection to the airport?! 🤦🏾♂️
Yup unless it used ICTS.
Toronto could've/should've had like a dozen subway lines and RT's combined and it would be wayyyyy better than what we have right now.
With the Line 5 west extension hopefully opening up in the next decade I think a second attempt at an Etobicoke RT could serve as a shuttle line connecting Renforth and Kipling, the western termini of Line 5 and Line 2 respectively, since there are currently hardly any rapid transit options between the two stations (the closest thing we have right now is the 109 MiWay express bus). The "Etobicoke RT 2.0/Etobicoke Line" (as I call it) could also fill in the rather huge gaps left by the current express buses (both TTC and MiWay). However I would suggest a few modifications:
Once it reaches Eglinton it turns west onto the Line 5 corridor towards Renforth and then eventually up north to Pearson, effectively complementing Line 5.
Remove the north segment from Pearson to Finch since Line 6 will likely be extended to Pearson too (I think someone either on this video or on another website suggested that Line 6 could extend to Kipling via the same corridor).
Mode of transit could be either light rail as originally intended, with tracks directly on the grass like parts of Line 5, or automated light metro like the Ontario Line. Either way thanks to the upgraded mode of transit travel between Kipling and Pearson should take just as long as the current 900 express bus.
I’m surprised they’ve never done anything with the second platform there. But who knows maybe one day they’ll actually use it and build something similar to the original proposed line. Would be nice to have something better than a bus for people to get up to the north end of Etobicoke
Love your videos! Hope you can keep making more!
I’m surprised this idea isn’t still floated around today since it seems it would still fit pretty well for our current transit needs.
Good video. Maybe we can still utilize the hydro corridors. The Ontario Line could run west from Exhibition along the Queensway or on the Gardiner then north to Kipling Station and beyond. Wishful thinking I know. Being elevated at grade or in a trench where needed might do the trick and eliminate the need for the Eglinton West Extension to the airport. Fingers crossed. Cheers.
Very informative!!! Love the retro music as well😄
No, no, you're right it is ALRV not CLRV. CLRV was used for replacing PCC while ALRV was used for light rail projects but were then used on streetcar projects due to cancellation of several light rail projects.
Sounds like a line like this is achievable given the fact that the Finch West LRT is to be built (at least the part connecting Kipling and the airport and Finch West LRT.
Its funny how everyone in Toronto hates the Scarborough RT but the same technology is used for the much beloved SkyTrain in Vancouver...
But that system was built with that tech in mind
@@stinkyroadhog1347 it also wasn't completely neglected like the SRT
You mention the Etobicoke LRT could have connected to the Line 5 - which is true today inasmuch that it will one day connect with the sadly way overbuilt buried western extension of the crosstown (why is it a subway??) - at the time they were thinking more along the lines of a busway for that part of the city, possibly with conversion to rail one day. As you go into in your Eginton West video - which is great.
I guess it’s sorta which frame of reference do you want to use - what would line have looked like at the time based on plans that were on the board? Or what would this line look like today? You’re sorta conflating the two. That said I think this is one of your best videos - you do great work (I don’t know if the bus routes are historically accurate, but even if not, that’s okay), I think the detail is great. One note is that when going through the line, the close up is great, but to alternate between close up and zoom in, as it’s hard to know exactly where one is. Or a split screen?
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I do love the whole “unbuilt” series. I’d love to see a video you could put together or maybe “10 other ways Toronto could have ended up looking” basically what if they hadn’t built the 407 and instead gone all in on transit? Or what if they had built all the subways? Or built the Downtown Relief Line earlier? What would Toronto with a Streetcar subway look like today? Etc….
Basically taking all of your videos and imagining what the city would look like today if transportation planning (highways and transit) had gone wildly differently. It’s not a video I have seen anyone else really do - and would be great. Be happy to help with ideas.
Don’t have a Patreon! I would be happy to support.
I've always wondered what the plan was for that roughed-in platform at Kipling.
Great video!
should talk about relief line/ontario line
Maybe you should make a video of the Montreal Tramway.
>bus fest
That hits so hard because it's so true.
Mississauga Transit is now called MiWay.
7:40 could be Elmerst because of Islington Station already existing around the 1980s.
There would need to be bridges on the CP Rail Mactier Sub and the CN/GO Newmarket Sub
GO ALRT wasn't commuter rail :)
A RUclipsr watching another RUclipsr's video. 😀
@@jamest8158 Ya just noticed lol
Are u the real reason?
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Why Dufferin? I thought it would stop at Kipling, Pearson Airport and York University!
do a video on line 5 and 6 (Eglinton and Finch West)
I Love You video I saw actually goes to the airport they need to build a
I think it will be cool they need to bring their back somebody needs to step
When etobicoke rt is done are they are using utdc icts mark 1
'Depends on completion date. Nowadays Bombardier Flexitys and Alstom Citades (or Citadises) or maybe some other LRVs nowadays will use the line.
That would have made sense.
Thankfully they never built this crap
Both You and Reece Martin are making videos on information you know very little of.
Maybe both of you should study Transportation planning and work 10 years in the field before you start making videos
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