I got to Toronto in 1978 and ended up in the beaches. I always wondered where the Gardiner east would have gone to if it had continued. Thanks for the education!
Maybe it made sense back then to cancel it, but it’s definitely needed now. DVP currently has the 401E, 401W and 404 all merging onto it. People from the East gotta share the DVP with everyone from the North and the West. I’m 100% for incentivizing transit, however now 50+ years later the capacity is beyond maxed out and spills into neighbourhoods like the beaches!Unfortunately it’s too late now to build it, and doesn’t help that eglinton keeps getting delayed and line 2 extension won’t be ready til 2030 😭
i'm definitely not a fan of america's "build highways everywhere" approach to city planning, but in toronto's case the scarborough expressway definitely would've helped. a massive chunk of toronto's central and eastern traffic is essentially funneled onto the don valley, as well as anyone trying to get to downtown from the 401. cities like houston and LA have bad traffic despite no shortage of highways but not a single one of those highways get as congested as the DVP
The City & Metropolitan governments of Toronto totally fucked up traffic & transit patterns for good. I lived in Scarborough & endured car & transit commutes for 45 years & it’s my opinion that it will never improve now no matter what plan is proposed or how much money is spent.
I live in port union and if this expressway was built, we wouldnt have to go through the traffic of the 401 and dvp just to go to downtown and we wouldnt need to spend million widening the 401. it also prbably wouldve solved all the traffic problems from both of those highways:.
The plans of the revised "streamlined" proposal from 1973 show that planned elaborate multi-level interchanges were replaced by "SPUIs". (Single Point Urban Interchange). For more info, search for this term in videos.
Great video, the production value is top-notch! I’d love to see a video about a bunch of proposed minor road extensions and “missing links” that would be short for their own videos. Would be cool to included some that actually got built like Bayview South for instance
Some of the land that was proposed for the Scarborough Expressway have now been filled in with development including newer homes that don't fit with their surroundings.
Great video. I know you used the term 'planners' a lot, but I think most of this highway planning was done by engineers. While all of those potential east end highways would've been horrible, its disappointing most of them didn't include integration of subways or other heavy rail like the Spadina Expressway (Allen Road) or Kennedy Expressway in Chicago. So much time, effort and money were spent trying to build highways across Toronto that could've went to designing and building a better transit system and arterial road network.
It is very terrible that this highway was not built. Getting to Durham and Scarborough is a nightmare!! Having to go up the DVP is the worst. This highway and Connecting the Allen south to the Gardiner would make moving around the city world-class!!
Building that expressway would've destroyed so many more neighbourhoods like what the 401, 400 and the Gardiner did. We finally learned from the Americans how these things destroy cities.
It would have made your city look like Detroit. When I was a preteen I lived in the area and read about the ultimate highway plan for that area. The state of Michigan built so many freeways within the city of Detroit that they literally wrecked the city! And still one of the highways, the Davison, was only partially built and another, the Mound-Van Dyke, was never built at all.
If it was built, pretty sure it will just become another Montreal-Mirabel. It still makes no sense today to build one, Pickering simply had a lot less development potential.
@@asiaworldcity I think Mirabel's main problem was that the PQ came to power causing the Anglo exodus from Quebec and a great decline in Montreal's growth
@@ALuimes Yes, one of the reasons. But it is plain stupid for a city split airport into one international and a domestic like Mirabel, how do you expect people to transfer (stuck on 401 parking lot)? London Heathrow managed 22 million passengers with 2 runways, Toronto can't do the same with 5 runway?
@@asiaworldcity TORONTO (YYZ) is an Major Cargo hub. All 70% International package lands. Amazon daily Fight out to many Canadian cites for 1 day shipping. 2 or 3 daily package flight to Vancouver London on the other hand is strictly for passages only. YYZ surrounded industry warehouse, logistics eBay package sent to Toronto for Canadian customs clearance. From the USA. Unless is Ground transportation is routed by Trucks FedEx
When in the video the author mentioned that Metro Toronto rechristened the alignment the Scarborough Transportation Corridor I thought, why not a subway line?
And to this day history rolls on with the ineptitude of our political planners. We still have a network of roads that do not suffice and no Subway to serve Central Scarborough. Someday we will get to pay for all of this at a substantial increase in cost.
In the transportation business, I feel that Toronto will be suffocating motor vehicle planning. That will suffer all business and habitat. Simply said. I have a plan yet but expensive to fix it.
The entire expressway network should have been built. The Queen St. subway should have been built before the Spadina Expressway line. I left Toronto many years ago and would never go back. What a mess. What a dump. And it had such great potential. Toronto has been going steadily downhill since the cancellation of the Spadina and Scarborough expressways.
@@KardiFan2000 It is common knowledge and has been known since the 1970s that building highways and expressways everywhere ruined many good neighborhoods. From that came many problems regarding urban living The delusion is all on you.
Great video! I grew up in Scarborough. Nothing was worse than taking local roads to hit downtown…Too many NIMBYs in the beaches . Urban development would be much different now (and better) if it was built through the railroad corridor. Now residents have to live through GO expansion in that same corridor and majority can’t even access this as much as the expressway would have granted them better travel options..Too bad a subway wasn’t built under Kingston rd to morningside instead
biggest mistake not putting the expressway through now TO is a mess with no transit plan still The pickering airport will never come no way to connect to it
Montreal was getting a 2nd airport in the 1970s and Toronto was also gonna get one. Of course, it never got built. Land was expropriated in the early 1970s.
so glad that this atrocious plan was never put into action. The affects it would have had on the beachs would have been terrible. Anybody who thinks this would have 'relived traffic' need to read up on the history of every american city that built 6+ urban highways and are still gridlocked
I doubt you would be happy paying the exorbitant taxes to pay for the overrun costs. They did the same in Boston called The Big Dig with a budget of $2B. Final costs came in around $14B
@@Kishanth.J Sure. Are millions dying in China because tunnels are collapsing? Yes, they cut corners, but they can still build shit more efficiently under supervision.
How much money was spent on committees , planning, public consultations and reviews. I'm guessing almost enough to have paid for the original project. And in the end all the people in the Beaches screaming NIMBY now enjoy endless traffic , parking and noise (street cars) problems. As per the environment if the original construction along the rail line went all the way into Pickering at Baseline it would have diverted thousands of cars an hour from the now gridlocked 401 at Frenchmen's Bay. Not much pollution happening there Fact consistently moving cars pollute a lot less then stop and go traffic. Idiot Politicians too worried about votes let this opportunity slide through there fingers. Sadly I grow up in Scarborough in the 1970's and left the GTA in the mid 90's because it was becoming a shithole filling up with "problems" I now live in St. Catharines where I bought a 33' x 120' single with garage in 2010 for $112,500.00 and am now Mortgage free in just 5 years. My office is 5 minutes away and free parking.
I sold my place in Scarboro in 2017 and moved to Peterborough. I'm also mortgage free and anywhere I need to go is a 5 minute drive. GTA is much like the rest of North America. Decisions made for political reasons.
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Not getting the extensions of Kingston or Danforth Roads or getting an extended 503 into Scarborough was a big loss if you ask me
It would be interesting if they did make an RT along Kingston Road
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I got to Toronto in 1978 and ended up in the beaches. I always wondered where the Gardiner east would have gone to if it had continued. Thanks for the education!
Maybe it made sense back then to cancel it, but it’s definitely needed now. DVP currently has the 401E, 401W and 404 all merging onto it. People from the East gotta share the DVP with everyone from the North and the West. I’m 100% for incentivizing transit, however now 50+ years later the capacity is beyond maxed out and spills into neighbourhoods like the beaches!Unfortunately it’s too late now to build it, and doesn’t help that eglinton keeps getting delayed and line 2 extension won’t be ready til 2030 😭
and thats why the lakeshore east line exists.
i'm definitely not a fan of america's "build highways everywhere" approach to city planning, but in toronto's case the scarborough expressway definitely would've helped. a massive chunk of toronto's central and eastern traffic is essentially funneled onto the don valley, as well as anyone trying to get to downtown from the 401.
cities like houston and LA have bad traffic despite no shortage of highways but not a single one of those highways get as congested as the DVP
Thanks for the high quality videos with great archival research!
The City & Metropolitan governments of Toronto totally fucked up traffic & transit patterns for good. I lived in Scarborough & endured car & transit commutes for 45 years & it’s my opinion that it will never improve now no matter what plan is proposed or how much money is spent.
I live in port union and if this expressway was built, we wouldnt have to go through the traffic of the 401 and dvp just to go to downtown and we wouldnt need to spend million widening the 401. it also prbably wouldve solved all the traffic problems from both of those highways:.
There are reasons the traffic in Toronto ranks as the worst in North America, and this is a good example of why we have the mess we have today.
Ive been waitin for someone to bring this up
Anyone else notice the SimCity soundtrack in the background!? ...genius.
The plans of the revised "streamlined" proposal from 1973 show that planned elaborate multi-level interchanges were replaced by "SPUIs". (Single Point Urban Interchange). For more info, search for this term in videos.
Well done. Very well done with excellent research and presentation. Looking forward to future videos, keep up the great work!
Great video, the production value is top-notch! I’d love to see a video about a bunch of proposed minor road extensions and “missing links” that would be short for their own videos. Would be cool to included some that actually got built like Bayview South for instance
great videos, keep up the good work!
Even if it was built and became a parking lot like the DVP, during off-peak hours, it's very useful to get anywhere quick
Great video I'm great work
Interesting video! Have you ever considered doing a video about the Pickering airport?
Hindsight being 20/20, all these delays/cancellations have contributed to the state of Toronto’s transit issues today
And traffic overall.
exactly
Some of the land that was proposed for the Scarborough Expressway have now been filled in with development including newer homes that don't fit with their surroundings.
Great video. I know you used the term 'planners' a lot, but I think most of this highway planning was done by engineers. While all of those potential east end highways would've been horrible, its disappointing most of them didn't include integration of subways or other heavy rail like the Spadina Expressway (Allen Road) or Kennedy Expressway in Chicago. So much time, effort and money were spent trying to build highways across Toronto that could've went to designing and building a better transit system and arterial road network.
It is very terrible that this highway was not built. Getting to Durham and Scarborough is a nightmare!! Having to go up the DVP is the worst. This highway and Connecting the Allen south to the Gardiner would make moving around the city world-class!!
Building that expressway would've destroyed so many more neighbourhoods like what the 401, 400 and the Gardiner did. We finally learned from the Americans how these things destroy cities.
It would have made your city look like Detroit. When I was a preteen I lived in the area and read about the ultimate highway plan for that area. The state of Michigan built so many freeways within the city of Detroit that they literally wrecked the city! And still one of the highways, the Davison, was only partially built and another, the Mound-Van Dyke, was never built at all.
Scarborough really get the short end of the stick. With this and the failed redesign of the Scarborough RT, they can’t catch a break there
Cool! How about a video on that Pickering Airport??
If it was built, pretty sure it will just become another Montreal-Mirabel. It still makes no sense today to build one, Pickering simply had a lot less development potential.
@@asiaworldcity I think Mirabel's main problem was that the PQ came to power causing the Anglo exodus from Quebec and a great decline in Montreal's growth
@@ALuimes Yes, one of the reasons. But it is plain stupid for a city split airport into one international and a domestic like Mirabel, how do you expect people to transfer (stuck on 401 parking lot)? London Heathrow managed 22 million passengers with 2 runways, Toronto can't do the same with 5 runway?
@@asiaworldcity TORONTO (YYZ) is an Major Cargo hub. All 70% International package lands. Amazon daily Fight out to many Canadian cites for 1 day shipping.
2 or 3 daily package flight to Vancouver
London on the other hand is strictly for passages only.
YYZ surrounded industry warehouse, logistics
eBay package sent to Toronto for Canadian customs clearance. From the USA.
Unless is Ground transportation is routed by Trucks FedEx
When in the video the author mentioned that Metro Toronto rechristened the alignment the Scarborough Transportation Corridor I thought, why not a subway line?
And to this day history rolls on with the ineptitude of our political planners. We still have a network of roads that do not suffice and no Subway to serve Central Scarborough. Someday we will get to pay for all of this at a substantial increase in cost.
This is what happens when politicians are chicken shit. They should have just went ahead with it and built the highway.
do a video on line 5 and 6 (Eglinton and Finch West)
Lakeshore East has been good
i think i recognise this music from simcity 4! where did you get it?
It was never cancelled. It just never got built.
In the transportation business, I feel that Toronto will be suffocating motor vehicle planning. That will suffer all business and habitat. Simply said. I have a plan yet but expensive to fix it.
The entire expressway network should have been built. The Queen St. subway should have been built before the Spadina Expressway line. I left Toronto many years ago and would never go back. What a mess. What a dump. And it had such great potential. Toronto has been going steadily downhill since the cancellation of the Spadina and Scarborough expressways.
It would have been a dump by building it. We all now know highways here, there and everywhere destroy cities. The Americans have shown us that.
Said every person as they aged: [Insert place here] has been going steadily downhill since [insert personal memory here].
lmao toronto has been going downhill since the..... late 70s? Delusion manifest
@@email5023You're delusional if you think highways are the reason why American inner cities are in disrepair.
@@KardiFan2000 It is common knowledge and has been known since the 1970s that building highways and expressways everywhere ruined many good neighborhoods. From that came many problems regarding urban living
The delusion is all on you.
Great video! I grew up in Scarborough. Nothing was worse than taking local roads to hit downtown…Too many NIMBYs in the beaches . Urban development would be much different now (and better) if it was built through the railroad corridor. Now residents have to live through GO expansion in that same corridor and majority can’t even access this as much as the expressway would have granted them better travel options..Too bad a subway wasn’t built under Kingston rd to morningside instead
My parents fought this because our house would have been torn down
Do you have time to make your description?
It would help alot from scarb to further east its needed now shit got deep with residents more condos etc etc its needed now
While the plan was overly aggressive, some of these routes should have been built. Cancelling everything was conversely "overly aggressive".
biggest mistake not putting the expressway through now TO is a mess with no transit plan still The pickering airport will never come no way to connect to it
Ever thought of doing a video on highway 407?
Proposed international airport in Pickering, okay wat duh fuk! I never once in my life heard about that!
Well if you had farmland expropriated back in the 70s it would have been a very hot topic LOL
Montreal was getting a 2nd airport in the 1970s and Toronto was also gonna get one. Of course, it never got built. Land was expropriated in the early 1970s.
Pickering & Scarborough residents talk about it though out 1970 - mid 1990's.
Wasn't your time you missed out the topic.
It was brought back up again in the 2000s, but then quietly died again.
This was a shame!!
so glad that this atrocious plan was never put into action. The affects it would have had on the beachs would have been terrible. Anybody who thinks this would have 'relived traffic' need to read up on the history of every american city that built 6+ urban highways and are still gridlocked
But those cities (save for LA with 14 million ppl) aren't as gridlocked as Toronto.
We now need an attentive to DVP to come to downtown. We needed few more highways in toronto.
The highway extension can still be built but it needs to be built underground. I gurantee it can be successful if its built this way.
Would still be objected to by many due to the traffic that would be dumped onto the roads at the on and off ramps
I doubt you would be happy paying the exorbitant taxes to pay for the overrun costs. They did the same in Boston called The Big Dig with a budget of $2B. Final costs came in around $14B
@@GoldenSlumber474 call a Chinese tunneling company. Theyll build it for half the money and half the time.
@@bmw803 with non of the safety regulations.
@@Kishanth.J Sure. Are millions dying in China because tunnels are collapsing? Yes, they cut corners, but they can still build shit more efficiently under supervision.
How much money was spent on committees , planning, public consultations and reviews. I'm guessing almost enough to have paid for the original project. And in the end all the people in the Beaches screaming NIMBY now enjoy endless traffic , parking and noise (street cars) problems.
As per the environment if the original construction along the rail line went all the way into Pickering at Baseline it would have diverted thousands of cars an hour from the now gridlocked 401 at Frenchmen's Bay. Not much pollution happening there
Fact consistently moving cars pollute a lot less then stop and go traffic.
Idiot Politicians too worried about votes let this opportunity slide through there fingers.
Sadly I grow up in Scarborough in the 1970's and left the GTA in the mid 90's because it was becoming a shithole filling up with "problems"
I now live in St. Catharines where I bought a 33' x 120' single with garage in 2010 for $112,500.00 and am now Mortgage free in just 5 years.
My office is 5 minutes away and free parking.
I sold my place in Scarboro in 2017 and moved to Peterborough. I'm also mortgage free and anywhere I need to go is a 5 minute drive. GTA is much like the rest of North America. Decisions made for political reasons.
Thank Goodness This Abomination Was Never Built !!!!!
I see that they used my maps without my permission.
LOL!