It was a clear second yellow and a really silly move on Rice's part. Yes Brighton should of had a yellow as well but that doesn't make what Rice did any less moronic or any less a 2nd yellow.
@marty1459 yes it was a silly move by Rice but as I said already, I've watched several games where something like that ends with a conversation or even dismissed. The choke against Havertz for example was quickly dismissed and not interpreted to the letter of the law like this one was
@@marty1459The brighton player kicks the ball on rice so he can kick him (anyone with a brain can see that😂) and blame it on the fact he missed the ball loool, the tap of ball away from Rice shouldn't even be a card ( the player kicks the ball on him that lil tap can be seen as a touch back 😂) if yall love football and want consistency go watch another sport 😂. Corruption omg....gotta feel for Arsenal and football fans
@achampionsmentality5246 you are just a sausage 😂😂😂 seeing things on a biased angle...Rice kicked the ball to waste time and it's the refs discretion to give a card or not based on his judgment period
@@josphatonsare9184 Arsenal fans completely should ask why there wasnt a card for Pedro, but cant complain about Rice. It was clearly time wasting & under the rules it is a yellow & was officiated correctly. But it should have been a yellow for Pedro too.
What about the handball in the box? I heard the commentator say that the Ref told VAR not to intervene/check because he saw the incident and cleared it. Ball was heading towards goal when it hit the hand.
Brighton players were allowed to kick the s*it out of our players. Countless fouls ignored by that muppet kavanagh. Joao pedro kicks the ball onto the pitch after it goes out of bounds, gets no booking. Meanwhile, rice lightly nudges a ball, gets kicked by veltman and is sent off. Also, the freekick wouldnt have counted since the ball was still in motion. We were poor but it doesnt excuse poor borderline corrupt officiating.
As a neutral watcher, the comments about consistency are completely fair. Pedro deserved a booking as did Rice. But the ball moving before Rice kicked it is completely irrelevant. Time wasting can occur when the ball is moving or when it is stationary. Rice wouldnt have been kicked if he didnt kick the ball away, his leg wouldnt have been in that position, that is completely on Rice. Blaming Veltman is a joke. And whether the free kick would have counted, thats irrelevant. That is to be officiated after the free kick was taken. And it was never taken, because Rice time wasted & kicked the ball away.
@@089Stargazer Blind Freddy can see Veltman kicked where the ball would have been. I know Rice reacted, but many times in football the reactor gets penalised. Rice kicked the ball away, plain & simple. You need to build a bridge.
@@sticktothefacts8905 rice fouls veltman, ref blows his whistle. as the ball is under veltman, it is in a stationary position. veltman kicks it towards rice, the ball hits his left foot while he has his back turned and walking away and as the ball deflects towards the right side, rice sees the ball and kicks it away and gets assaulted. it could easily be argued that veltman has taken his free kick rice was just clearing a live ball.
The ball doesnt need to be stationary for a player to be penalised for time wasting. Players have kicked the ball away from a throw in whilst the ball was moving & it was still time wasting. The ball rolling only affects whether the free kick was legitimate, and the free kick was never taken as Rice chose to time waste. Its not relevant
if you watch it back 1. It wasnt even a free kick 2. Veltman actually kicks the ball where he was "fouled" at Rice 3. Then he "tries" to take it again from the wrong place and ends up deliberately kicking Rice. 4. But the ball was moving when he tries to take it again So technically it should have either been a throw to Brighton or just retake the freekick as the ball was moving. Hopefully Arsenal appeal this.
there are certain personality types that are attracted to jobs like cop or ref because they fing love being in control, flexing their authority, it's obvious that this ref is more interested in being a badass authoritarian than making good ref decisions.
Thats on Rice, not the umpires. Time wasting has been a yellow for a long time now, Rice didnt have to kick the ball away. Its pretty simple. The refs cant officiate on the basis of whether you already have a yellow, that will lead to more inconsistencies in the umpiring.
The ball was still moving and wouldn’t have been a legally played free kick. Also, the ball was played ~8 yards from where the foul was located, which again is not a legal free kick.
The fans need to buckle-up for a bumpy season. Today is Arsenal tomorrow it will be another. Clearly, these refereeing issues are here to stay. Utter disgrace and incompetence displayed.
Law 18 needs to be formalised- it is an unsaid law of football where referees are required to use judgement and take the spirit of the game into account. Veltman played Rice throwing the ball at his feet to get his attention and while the ball was rolling kicked it in a hurry. He was not even playing a genuine target, his goal was clearly to get Declan booked. This is akin to diving and the referee needs to judge the situation better.
Not only did the ref not give Pedro a yellow, he gave Rice a yellow despite Howard Webb saying "The bar for a second yellow has to be higher" You can't really use the Zirkzee "goal" as a comparison of the letter of the law, that only works if a Brighton player did the same and that goal was allowed to stand
Havertz 3 games 2 goals. He will just casually bang goals in this season under the radar. And people scoff at him, getting 20 in 38. I think he will be Arsenals top scorer this season. He's turning into a very effective number 9.
Arm was in a natural position by his side. It never needed to be checked, it was clearly not hand ball under the rules. I cant believe you comment with such little knowledge of the rules
...but Saka's little nudge got them a goal. Defender is looking at the ball, is about to handle it and gets a little push from a player who is NOT attempting to win the ball at all, instead gives a push and wins the ball. Clearly a foul right there.
Your pure facts madame well done,Arsenal fan to be honest would take the draw due to circumstances however Declan should no better first yellow no need as he aint clinical or quick enough to make challenge no your limits
This ref cost us 5 points last year and he is a man city fan he should never be a ref in the PL again. He has made so many f@ck ups in every match he has referred
I was pist off when howard webb was put in charge of the PMLO or what ever you call the bloody thing he was a disgrace as a referee and now he has just made the game so much worse so frustrating
Also! the ball was still rolling! The ball has to be stationary for it to be a valid freekick, therefore Rice hasnt stopped a quick free kick. If the ball was stationary and Rice flicked it then fair enough but it wasnt. Rice had his back to the ball and was going back to defend. He wasnt trying to do anything wrong!
The inconsistency exists even in this moment. Giving a very harsh yellow card can be defended by obeying strictly the rule book BUT then the action of the Brighton player must be also a red card! This is inconsistency und thus I feel entitled to say we were cheated.
Fair comment on consistency, but Pedro would have only got a yellow, not a red. And Im not sure you were cheated. Pedro gets a yellow, he isnt sent off. Rice gets a second yellow and is still sent off. The game still has 11 vs 10 & probably ends in a draw
@@sticktothefacts8905 everyone is referring to Veltman getting a red card for deliberately nudging the ball at Rice and then kicking him from behind using the pretext of trying to kick a moving ball as the Freekick. That's a red card. Pedro's incident is another injustice. With a yellow that early in the game, Pedro wouldn't be able to play as aggressively throughout the whole match, thus making Brighton weaker.
@@deadby2moro thats a weird conspiracy theory, he goaded Rice into kicking the ball away so he could pretend to kick the ball but actually kick Rice. You are on drugs
The unconscious bias is ryt, partey was tryna dribble with ball n was getting n hacked at nni counted 3 times in a row wherr i could have called a foul on partey but nothing was given n as soon as partey touched the brighton player it was given as a foul the ref blew for a foul...
As an Arsenal fan, Declan’s two yellows were no where near as bad as Tomiyasu’s two against Palace last year when both were dubious or when Martinelli got 2 in the same play. We know certain referees judge our games that way and need to play accordingly, just the way it is!
Because the ball moving is irrelevant to the offence. The offence is time wasting, the ball doesnt need to be stationary, the player just needs to do something that hinders the player from taking the free kick. The moving ball only becomes an issue if the free kick is taken. Which it never was
Was watching as a Spurs fan (I guess I was just hoping Arsenal would drop points) and I'll say this. Glad we're not facing Rice next week, but the officiating was terrible. It's a booking by the letter of the law, but Joao Pedro booting the ball back into the pitch to delay the game and that not being a yellow is taking the piss. The consistency is just not there. Weren't their usual best but still looked the more dominant team. Also for ppl saying it can be appealed: no it can't. The FA rules states that clubs can only appeal straight red cards and for two yellows in the case of mistaken identity.
This was a con job.. and the ref brought the PL product into disrepute being incompetent or corrupt. Your pick. Veltman conned a red and a point out of arsenal ... first of all he threw the ball at Rice's foot when Rice was walking away (ie retreating!), ball bounced off and rice flicked at it a touch when veltmab consciously took a whack at his right thigh pretending to taking the Fk. C'mon the ball was MOVING so never a valid fk. If not valid, how's Rice impacting a Fk?? Fact is, Rice never blocked the Fk but veltman threw the ball in his path... Thats a dirty bastard of a player i tell you, orchestrating da whole thing and the ref finished the job. Where's VAR btw? Should ret not watch the monitor to be sure? Where's red card for kicking an opponent? Might not be at our best but if ref did something controversial he gets asked questions or criticism because their actions have consequences.
This league is a joke tbf ! We have to be almost perfect and now we’ve lost Declan for spurs game ! And probably lose to city and maybe spurs away so this is gona be peak ! Plus haaland is on fire
Where was Rice kicking the moving ball away from? The Brighton defender literally kicked the ball at him, striking Rice on the back of the leg. Therefore, the Brighton defender could be booked for delaying the restart…
In the letter of the law it is not a yellow. He didn't "kick it away", he didn't "delay the restart". the brighton player kicked the ball into the back of Rice as he was walking away from the foul, already a couple of yards from the spot of the foul, and then the brighton player tried to kick a moving ball to "restart". DISGRACE.
I think the ref had real intention to send off Rice. Apart from that I'm getting skeptical of these Arsenal players especially considering them title contenders. Declan Rice in the first place should have avoided both fouls esp. the 1st one as it was ill timed; it isn't the nature of Rice as we saw last year and a concern for me as it may indicate a drop in performance. Odeegard had the clear chance to score for the 2nd time in consecutive games including last week against villa. Saka was also missing clearcut chances. If they are not using chances where would the goals come from especially for a team having no clinical striker like Arsenal? Anyways it is so upsetting fr many reasons.
All who feel that the refs decision was fair, should wait for their own turn an see how they like it. When Arteta first complained against refs decisions, he almost got eaten alive, it eventually started happening to other clubs like Liverpool and Wolves, i think its high time that all clubs came together regardless of our differences to call on PGMOL and the FA and refs to ensure that strict punishment and actions are taken against such refs otherwise all clubs in the Premier League will become victims of this mess!
Chris Cavanagh looks like a space cadet he probably doesn’t know what he’s doing. He looks like he has lazy eyes!!. Name me one decent ref in the premier league now?.
It’s the job of players to attempt to stretch the rules of the game to their benefit .. that’s how sports works, always has, always will. But now we have instances where referees are stretching the rules of the game so they personally can be the centre of attention. Atrocious officiating, not just in the moment of the red card, but for the entire match.
Havertz has many great skills and does score quite often (in a very strong team that makes lots of chances), but he nevertheless also often misses good chances (often ones created by his own cleverness) with tame shots, and that could prove costly in a close-fought title race. Arsenal should've signed Toney instead of Sterling, and played Havertz more often as an AM/SS.
There might be issues with nano-particle carbon absorbed through the dermis crossing the blood-brain barrier and causing mental problems. Extremely wealthy soccer players seem to be a bit lost and are anxious to show their money doesn't make them soft. Tattooing-my-skin-for-counterfeit-individuality cf. tattooing of the heart, isn't a good fashion. I think it's over now.
Lmao people blaming the ref when Rice more than deserved it with that stupidity. Double yellow was more than justified. Want to be angry be angry at Rice for acting like a clown whilst on a yellow. Rice didn’t just kick the ball he then caused a commotion disrupting the game by trying to milk a yellow against brighton by flopping around. Play silly games win silly prizes.
Nooooo don't be one of those stupid channels with "Arsenal robbed" in your title. I thought you was better than that... Robbed my bum cheeks, Rice was an idiot and Arsenal was not good enough. Simple as that.
This show how ridiculous n sometimes how terrible this EPL refeeres r till now....every season they said they will improve n make changes but is always the same BS every season.
Rice forced the refs hand by flopping. He was looking for a yellow & got a 2nd himself. 100mill & you feel the need to resort to this sort of garbage at home? That is small minded, and not a good look for Arsenal. Arteta better sort his boys.
It's the inconsistency that most of us are angry about. When Havertz got choked, it was easily dismissed yet this issue was interpreted to the letter of the law instead of common sense playing a factor
Alice think your great buttttt. If you’re going to comment on other teams leave ushited out of it, you have your chance tomorrow girl. It was a sending off Look at the hand ball last season Arsenal got away with that against Liverpool. Swings and roundabouts Alice. Big game tomorrow. Come onnn you red men. Hate to admit it but worried tomorrow Lfc forever:)
Arsenal not robbed, got what they deserved. Rice was on a yellow card, Veltman knows this, he also knows the long pass is to nobody. Rice gets sucked in, Rice does nick the ball away and to the letter of the law that is a yellow card. You could say that Veltman played the Ref, but it was Rice that made the tackle. Arsenal will go on and on how the were robbed, instead of thinking how did we not score more goals. If they had scored two or three of the chances, no one would be talking about Rice’s second yellow card. Brighton played well, draw a good result. Arsenal should have done better.
Even if we had won that game people would still be talking about the red card. Now rice is out for the next game as well, which just so happens to be the NLD.
@@jigmewangchuk4085 the thing is the risk Rice took didn’t value the reward. It was clear Veltman long pass was going no where. Plus being on a Yellow card he should be held back. Rice missing the next game NLD will show if Arsenal have a plan B without Rice.
Gooners need to stop crying. That was absolutely a second yellow and it was dumb of Rice to even attempt it while already in the book. But, Veltman should also have got a card and disgraceful that he didn't.
@@throesturthrainsson7616 If that were just what Arsenal fans were moaning about, I'd have no issue. But it's not. All of you from Arteta down with his "I didn't see him kick it" nonsense have tried to deny Rice deserved his 2nd yellow.
@@emisat8970 I think majority of Arsenal fans are not complaining about the card but how it comes about and how other cases are not treated same way. Few facts 1. The ball was moving and therefore the free kick cannot be taken. 2. Everyone that understand football knows that the Brighton player is trying to get Rice sent off by pretending to take a free kick with moving ball. 3. If you want to give a yellow card for this then you have to do it always because this was the smallest touch possible from Rice and therefore almost all other cases will be more serious. (Guess what it won’t happen.
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And we need officials to be punished for these decisions...too many ego's
This ref, Chris Kavanaugh is a city fan. He’s done this to other teams that challenge his club. Liverpool has also dropped points because of him.
He probably has money on City for the league....he should be investigated
He isn’t a City fan. He supports Droylsden FC, a non league team.
Yet another example of Arsenal seemingly being evaluated by the letter of the law while fouls against them seem to be quickly dismissed
It was a clear second yellow and a really silly move on Rice's part. Yes Brighton should of had a yellow as well but that doesn't make what Rice did any less moronic or any less a 2nd yellow.
@marty1459 yes it was a silly move by Rice but as I said already, I've watched several games where something like that ends with a conversation or even dismissed. The choke against Havertz for example was quickly dismissed and not interpreted to the letter of the law like this one was
@@marty1459The brighton player kicks the ball on rice so he can kick him (anyone with a brain can see that😂) and blame it on the fact he missed the ball loool, the tap of ball away from Rice shouldn't even be a card ( the player kicks the ball on him that lil tap can be seen as a touch back 😂) if yall love football and want consistency go watch another sport 😂. Corruption omg....gotta feel for Arsenal and football fans
@achampionsmentality5246 you are just a sausage 😂😂😂 seeing things on a biased angle...Rice kicked the ball to waste time and it's the refs discretion to give a card or not based on his judgment period
@@josphatonsare9184 Arsenal fans completely should ask why there wasnt a card for Pedro, but cant complain about Rice. It was clearly time wasting & under the rules it is a yellow & was officiated correctly. But it should have been a yellow for Pedro too.
This ref denied Arsenal a clear throw in and overruled the linesman, 1st half. He definitely had an axe to grind.
he has a history with Arsenal. Arsenal have only won 50% of their games with this ref, well below the average.
Wow one throw in. Big axe to grind 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Clear foul of Mitomo against Saka in first half as well! Real bullshit ref!!
What about the handball in the box? I heard the commentator say that the Ref told VAR not to intervene/check because he saw the incident and cleared it. Ball was heading towards goal when it hit the hand.
Brighton players were allowed to kick the s*it out of our players. Countless fouls ignored by that muppet kavanagh. Joao pedro kicks the ball onto the pitch after it goes out of bounds, gets no booking. Meanwhile, rice lightly nudges a ball, gets kicked by veltman and is sent off. Also, the freekick wouldnt have counted since the ball was still in motion.
We were poor but it doesnt excuse poor borderline corrupt officiating.
As a neutral watcher, the comments about consistency are completely fair. Pedro deserved a booking as did Rice. But the ball moving before Rice kicked it is completely irrelevant. Time wasting can occur when the ball is moving or when it is stationary. Rice wouldnt have been kicked if he didnt kick the ball away, his leg wouldnt have been in that position, that is completely on Rice. Blaming Veltman is a joke.
And whether the free kick would have counted, thats irrelevant. That is to be officiated after the free kick was taken. And it was never taken, because Rice time wasted & kicked the ball away.
@@sticktothefacts8905 Veltman nudge the ball toward rice, rice wasn't aware of the ball, and then veltman kicked rice
@@089Stargazer , Rice nudged the ball away! He was aware, c'mon u can see it clearly.
@@089Stargazer Blind Freddy can see Veltman kicked where the ball would have been. I know Rice reacted, but many times in football the reactor gets penalised. Rice kicked the ball away, plain & simple. You need to build a bridge.
@@sticktothefacts8905 rice fouls veltman, ref blows his whistle. as the ball is under veltman, it is in a stationary position. veltman kicks it towards rice, the ball hits his left foot while he has his back turned and walking away and as the ball deflects towards the right side, rice sees the ball and kicks it away and gets assaulted. it could easily be argued that veltman has taken his free kick rice was just clearing a live ball.
The ball was still rolling ffs
That's what I was saying, the ball is rolling how do you say he's trying to take a quick free kick, in the wrong position too.
The ball doesnt need to be stationary for a player to be penalised for time wasting. Players have kicked the ball away from a throw in whilst the ball was moving & it was still time wasting. The ball rolling only affects whether the free kick was legitimate, and the free kick was never taken as Rice chose to time waste. Its not relevant
@@sticktothefacts8905 then how come the brighton player didnt get a yellow for kicking the ball 50 meters away
@@musondamusonda1205notice how this bellend doesnt respond
if you watch it back
1. It wasnt even a free kick
2. Veltman actually kicks the ball where he was "fouled" at Rice
3. Then he "tries" to take it again from the wrong place and ends up deliberately kicking Rice.
4. But the ball was moving when he tries to take it again
So technically it should have either been a throw to Brighton or just retake the freekick as the ball was moving. Hopefully Arsenal appeal this.
you can't appeal the double yellow. If it was a straight red, it can be appealed, but it's a double yellow
there are certain personality types that are attracted to jobs like cop or ref because they fing love being in control, flexing their authority, it's obvious that this ref is more interested in being a badass authoritarian than making good ref decisions.
That second yellow was unnecessary, totally changed the game ...if he hadn’t had a yellow already I would understand but that seems petty from the ref
What do you mean?? He kicked the ball away 😂😂
So, you're saying he kicked the ball away so it is a yellow, but only if the player hasn't already got a yellow?
Thats on Rice, not the umpires. Time wasting has been a yellow for a long time now, Rice didnt have to kick the ball away. Its pretty simple. The refs cant officiate on the basis of whether you already have a yellow, that will lead to more inconsistencies in the umpiring.
His the same ref that gave Martinelli two yellow cards on the wolves game
That was Oliver
This chris cavanagh needs to be reviewed
Epl referees always have an agenda against arsenal,Pedro kicks the ball in first half and that bullshit ref did nothing 😢😢
Were you at the Brighton game on Saturday?
New season same terrible referees and decisions ruining the matches good video Alice 👏👏👏
We gunners aren't just up against city , were also up against the PGMOL no consistency , again its one rule for one and none for another
It was two yellows clear as day.
The season is just beginning.... This poor officiating will get to everyone irrespective of the team you support.
💯per cent correct Alice👍
@mon3y_f1ows ur gonna be in tears when we play you
Weh weh 😂😂😂😂😂brilliant refereree 😂😂😂😂
The ball was still moving and wouldn’t have been a legally played free kick.
Also, the ball was played ~8 yards from where the foul was located, which again is not a legal free kick.
The inconsistency because of favouritism is disgraceful from the referees and we can't do anything about it which frustrates us more.
Why are you assuming favouritism rather than incompetence?
@@sticktothefacts8905 Because it's not just their incompetence clearly the PGMOL needs to be investigated but nothing happens...
@@sticktothefacts8905 You can only use the excuse of incompetence so many times. And refs are not stupid. They know what they are doing.
The fans need to buckle-up for a bumpy season. Today is Arsenal tomorrow it will be another. Clearly, these refereeing issues are here to stay. Utter disgrace and incompetence displayed.
Poor havertz... when he scored last time, everyone was talking about saka's assist. Today he scored and all comments are about the red card 😅
Law 18 needs to be formalised- it is an unsaid law of football where referees are required to use judgement and take the spirit of the game into account.
Veltman played Rice throwing the ball at his feet to get his attention and while the ball was rolling kicked it in a hurry. He was not even playing a genuine target, his goal was clearly to get Declan booked. This is akin to diving and the referee needs to judge the situation better.
Not only did the ref not give Pedro a yellow, he gave Rice a yellow despite Howard Webb saying "The bar for a second yellow has to be higher"
You can't really use the Zirkzee "goal" as a comparison of the letter of the law, that only works if a Brighton player did the same and that goal was allowed to stand
You've literally made me content from furious with that 'long season ahead' points. Good job girl.
I agree. I like it when fans say it as it is.
Havertz 3 games 2 goals. He will just casually bang goals in this season under the radar. And people scoff at him, getting 20 in 38. I think he will be Arsenals top scorer this season. He's turning into a very effective number 9.
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Dunk handball in the first half wasn't even checked
For real, am a man utd fan but this was a penalty. That ball was going into the net and the rule state that should be a pen
He’s a city fan. There’s a video on RUclips about it. Bastard favors city blatantly.
Not a handball mate stop trying to find exuses rice let arsenal down and arsenal didnt play good thats it
it was checked, but his arm was in a natural position. It would have been bullshit to give Arsenal a penalty about it
Arm was in a natural position by his side. It never needed to be checked, it was clearly not hand ball under the rules. I cant believe you comment with such little knowledge of the rules
Man City's rivals continue to get a raw deal from refs 🤫
...but Saka's little nudge got them a goal. Defender is looking at the ball, is about to handle it and gets a little push from a player who is NOT attempting to win the ball at all, instead gives a push and wins the ball. Clearly a foul right there.
While Erling Haaland scores 5 less goals in 3 games than Donkey Havertz scored all last season so clearly has an agenda against Arsenal
Your pure facts madame well done,Arsenal fan to be honest would take the draw due to circumstances however Declan should no better first yellow no need as he aint clinical or quick enough to make challenge no your limits
This ref cost us 5 points last year and he is a man city fan he should never be a ref in the PL again.
He has made so many f@ck ups in every match he has referred
I was pist off when howard webb was put in charge of the PMLO or what ever you call the bloody thing he was a disgrace as a referee and now he has just made the game so much worse so frustrating
Man City money syrikea again
Arsenal have only spent about £ 600 million and still couldn't win anything last year. Serial bottlers.
@@petersmith-yg7methey have spent over 700 million but yes, still won nothing
Great analysis! Also I’ve just learned that the ref is from Manchester! What are the odds!
Also! the ball was still rolling! The ball has to be stationary for it to be a valid freekick, therefore Rice hasnt stopped a quick free kick. If the ball was stationary and Rice flicked it then fair enough but it wasnt. Rice had his back to the ball and was going back to defend. He wasnt trying to do anything wrong!
The inconsistency exists even in this moment. Giving a very harsh yellow card can be defended by obeying strictly the rule book BUT then the action of the Brighton player must be also a red card! This is inconsistency und thus I feel entitled to say we were cheated.
Fair comment on consistency, but Pedro would have only got a yellow, not a red. And Im not sure you were cheated. Pedro gets a yellow, he isnt sent off. Rice gets a second yellow and is still sent off. The game still has 11 vs 10 & probably ends in a draw
@@sticktothefacts8905No, eighter it's violent conduct and thus red or it's nothing.
@@sticktothefacts8905 everyone is referring to Veltman getting a red card for deliberately nudging the ball at Rice and then kicking him from behind using the pretext of trying to kick a moving ball as the Freekick. That's a red card. Pedro's incident is another injustice. With a yellow that early in the game, Pedro wouldn't be able to play as aggressively throughout the whole match, thus making Brighton weaker.
@@deadby2moro thats a weird conspiracy theory, he goaded Rice into kicking the ball away so he could pretend to kick the ball but actually kick Rice. You are on drugs
The unconscious bias is ryt, partey was tryna dribble with ball n was getting n hacked at nni counted 3 times in a row wherr i could have called a foul on partey but nothing was given n as soon as partey touched the brighton player it was given as a foul the ref blew for a foul...
A wonderful unbiased analysis as always, keep up the good work
PGMOL will do nothing again. zzz
Arsenal gets so much unnecessary hate we were clearly robbed but no one will admit it because it's Arsenal. Regardless north london forever ❤🤍
As an Arsenal fan, Declan’s two yellows were no where near as bad as Tomiyasu’s two against Palace last year when both were dubious or when Martinelli got 2 in the same play. We know certain referees judge our games that way and need to play accordingly, just the way it is!
It shouldn't be though he did to Liverpool last season and he will do it again this season so frustrating
@@yorygibson-rc1lw Ya, did it to both teams that were challenging City for the title.
Still played well with one man down. I remember how we spurs threw threw against Chelsea with one man down last season.
-spurs fan here
The Referees has an unconscious bias in favour of City and Brighton imo
I think they are very much conscious of it
Effing robbed Alice. I’m fuming.
How come Premier leagues refs get away with massive mistakes, they only get punished for stuff they admit which is very rarely
Great content. Again.
PGMOL IS A JOKE
ball was still moving!!!!!!
How's the referees giving a red card for a movable ball.
Because the ball moving is irrelevant to the offence. The offence is time wasting, the ball doesnt need to be stationary, the player just needs to do something that hinders the player from taking the free kick.
The moving ball only becomes an issue if the free kick is taken. Which it never was
I was hoping Saka could push something out towards the end, and wouldn't be surprised if he did.
Was watching as a Spurs fan (I guess I was just hoping Arsenal would drop points) and I'll say this. Glad we're not facing Rice next week, but the officiating was terrible. It's a booking by the letter of the law, but Joao Pedro booting the ball back into the pitch to delay the game and that not being a yellow is taking the piss. The consistency is just not there. Weren't their usual best but still looked the more dominant team. Also for ppl saying it can be appealed: no it can't. The FA rules states that clubs can only appeal straight red cards and for two yellows in the case of mistaken identity.
I don't even think the ref really saw the incident. He was just eager to send Rice off
This was a con job.. and the ref brought the PL product into disrepute being incompetent or corrupt. Your pick.
Veltman conned a red and a point out of arsenal ... first of all he threw the ball at Rice's foot when Rice was walking away (ie retreating!), ball bounced off and rice flicked at it a touch when veltmab consciously took a whack at his right thigh pretending to taking the Fk. C'mon the ball was MOVING so never a valid fk. If not valid, how's Rice impacting a Fk??
Fact is, Rice never blocked the Fk but veltman threw the ball in his path... Thats a dirty bastard of a player i tell you, orchestrating da whole thing and the ref finished the job.
Where's VAR btw? Should ret not watch the monitor to be sure? Where's red card for kicking an opponent?
Might not be at our best but if ref did something controversial he gets asked questions or criticism because their actions have consequences.
TWO tier refereeing
😂😂😂 that's way to funny 😂
The ref is a confirmed City fan this is corruption
It's time to introduce AI referee ,these clowns are working with bookies😂
This league is a joke tbf ! We have to be almost perfect and now we’ve lost Declan for spurs game ! And probably lose to city and maybe spurs away so this is gona be peak ! Plus haaland is on fire
Where was Rice kicking the moving ball away from? The Brighton defender literally kicked the ball at him, striking Rice on the back of the leg. Therefore, the Brighton defender could be booked for delaying the restart…
In the letter of the law it is not a yellow. He didn't "kick it away", he didn't "delay the restart". the brighton player kicked the ball into the back of Rice as he was walking away from the foul, already a couple of yards from the spot of the foul, and then the brighton player tried to kick a moving ball to "restart". DISGRACE.
*REFS DONT KNOW THE RULES IN 2024 LOL 💙UP THE CHELS💙*
I think the ref had real intention to send off Rice. Apart from that I'm getting skeptical of these Arsenal players especially considering them title contenders. Declan Rice in the first place should have avoided both fouls esp. the 1st one as it was ill timed; it isn't the nature of Rice as we saw last year and a concern for me as it may indicate a drop in performance. Odeegard had the clear chance to score for the 2nd time in consecutive games including last week against villa. Saka was also missing clearcut chances. If they are not using chances where would the goals come from especially for a team having no clinical striker like Arsenal? Anyways it is so upsetting fr many reasons.
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The letter of the law cannot be applied on Rice’s ”kick” if the ball since it wasn’t placed in the correct spot.
You are totally right…. I agree with u entirely
Chelsea reject Donkey Havertz nicking £330k pw is still proving me wrong
Priceless 😅
There is a conscious bias against Arsenal I have seen it over the years either they get the worst referees or they get ones who are told to cheat them
One more thing, who believes the same yellow&red card would happen to foden, rodri , kdb et al in a city game? Lol
i like how u speak.
Well he didn't dive much today. Makes a change.😅
All who feel that the refs decision was fair, should wait for their own turn an see how they like it. When Arteta first complained against refs decisions, he almost got eaten alive, it eventually started happening to other clubs like Liverpool and Wolves, i think its high time that all clubs came together regardless of our differences to call on PGMOL and the FA and refs to ensure that strict punishment and actions are taken against such refs otherwise all clubs in the Premier League will become victims of this mess!
Chris Cavanagh looks like a space cadet he probably doesn’t know what he’s doing. He looks like he has lazy eyes!!. Name me one decent ref in the premier league now?.
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It’s the job of players to attempt to stretch the rules of the game to their benefit .. that’s how sports works, always has, always will. But now we have instances where referees are stretching the rules of the game so they personally can be the centre of attention.
Atrocious officiating, not just in the moment of the red card, but for the entire match.
100million DM not a 1M DM........... enough said..
ffs it is a yellow
Absolutely insane refereeing
We are all being done by these useless referee's. They have the teams they don't like .and its becoming so obvious that they are biased .
Havertz has many great skills and does score quite often (in a very strong team that makes lots of chances), but he nevertheless also often misses good chances (often ones created by his own cleverness) with tame shots, and that could prove costly in a close-fought title race. Arsenal should've signed Toney instead of Sterling, and played Havertz more often as an AM/SS.
Toney doesn’t score many either. Look at his scoring record (without pens)
Alice stas preciosa con esa camiseta saludo Super cordial ❤❤❤
Your gorgeous 😍
I feel like the joao pedro one is different given the multi ball system, when declan rice tapped the ball away as veltman was "taking" the free kick
There might be issues with nano-particle carbon absorbed through the dermis crossing the blood-brain barrier and causing mental problems. Extremely wealthy soccer players seem to be a bit lost and are anxious to show their money doesn't make them soft. Tattooing-my-skin-for-counterfeit-individuality cf. tattooing of the heart, isn't a good fashion. I think it's over now.
Correct, they were robbed by their own midfield not reacting to the through ball by Dunk. The Rice sending off did not cause the goal.
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Not Robbed
Rice kicked the ball away it's his fault
Not robbed. Rules
Double standard rules
Lmao people blaming the ref when Rice more than deserved it with that stupidity. Double yellow was more than justified. Want to be angry be angry at Rice for acting like a clown whilst on a yellow.
Rice didn’t just kick the ball he then caused a commotion disrupting the game by trying to milk a yellow against brighton by flopping around. Play silly games win silly prizes.
Nooooo don't be one of those stupid channels with "Arsenal robbed" in your title. I thought you was better than that... Robbed my bum cheeks, Rice was an idiot and Arsenal was not good enough. Simple as that.
It’s common sense mate. Jog on.
The fact that you are supporting poor officiating just because it was against a team you don't like is pathetic.
Robbed how? Was a deserved second yellow.
consistency?.....
@@dereklewis3471 Every time a player kicks a ball away he gets a yellow. Has been the case for years.
@@InstigatorDJ the rule has but not the execution. It was defi a yellow though
@@InstigatorDJ ok so when Jao Pedro kicked the ball away ??? Please explain...
This show how ridiculous n sometimes how terrible this EPL refeeres r till now....every season they said they will improve n make changes but is always the same BS every season.
It was a clear 2nd yellow and just because its England player Declan Rice everyone is making excuses. He's a dumbass for doing that on a 2nd yellow.
Ok but what about Consistency?
Arsenal fans blaming the ref instead of accepting their team were pathetic is why nobody rates you.
Ref was poor you just don't like Arsenal
The Rice was under cooked. Kick the ball out of play. After a foul. Dirty tactic, got done by the ref. Sent off. Justified. Season over.
Rice forced the refs hand by flopping. He was looking for a yellow & got a 2nd himself. 100mill & you feel the need to resort to this sort of garbage at home? That is small minded, and not a good look for Arsenal. Arteta better sort his boys.
I havent seen the 1st yellow card but the 2nd was defo a yellow. Get on with it and stop moaning
It's the inconsistency that most of us are angry about. When Havertz got choked, it was easily dismissed yet this issue was interpreted to the letter of the law instead of common sense playing a factor
Alice think your great buttttt. If you’re going to comment on other teams leave ushited out of it, you have your chance tomorrow girl. It was a sending off Look at the hand ball last season Arsenal got away with that against Liverpool. Swings and roundabouts Alice. Big game tomorrow. Come onnn you red men. Hate to admit it but worried tomorrow Lfc forever:)
Lmao Liverpool was getting bullied by Manchester United and had to be given an unfair penalty just to secure a draw 😂😂😂
obvious yellow
Stickney breaking 🥥 mate
An early season BS call costing a win,…. Seems familiar as a LFC supporter.
arteta out lol
Arsenal not robbed, got what they deserved.
Rice was on a yellow card, Veltman knows this, he also knows the long pass is to nobody.
Rice gets sucked in, Rice does nick the ball away and to the letter of the law that is a yellow card.
You could say that Veltman played the Ref, but it was Rice that made the tackle.
Arsenal will go on and on how the were robbed, instead of thinking how did we not score more goals. If they had scored two or three of the chances, no one would be talking about Rice’s second yellow card.
Brighton played well, draw a good result. Arsenal should have done better.
Even if we had won that game people would still be talking about the red card. Now rice is out for the next game as well, which just so happens to be the NLD.
@@jigmewangchuk4085 the thing is the risk Rice took didn’t value the reward.
It was clear Veltman long pass was going no where.
Plus being on a Yellow card he should be held back.
Rice missing the next game NLD will show if Arsenal have a plan B without Rice.
Brighton look a real good side TBF definitely top 6 challenge manager is biggest unknown to them.
They are going to bottle it as usual😂😂😂 COYS🎉
@@fitzjafaru7107 At least they get close enough to even bottle it...mind the gap
ur gonna be in tears in two weeks m8 T-T
Gooners need to stop crying. That was absolutely a second yellow and it was dumb of Rice to even attempt it while already in the book. But, Veltman should also have got a card and disgraceful that he didn't.
So we are crying for asking for exactly the same thing that you said.
@@throesturthrainsson7616 If that were just what Arsenal fans were moaning about, I'd have no issue. But it's not. All of you from Arteta down with his "I didn't see him kick it" nonsense have tried to deny Rice deserved his 2nd yellow.
@@emisat8970 I think majority of Arsenal fans are not complaining about the card but how it comes about and how other cases are not treated same way. Few facts 1. The ball was moving and therefore the free kick cannot be taken. 2. Everyone that understand football knows that the Brighton player is trying to get Rice sent off by pretending to take a free kick with moving ball. 3. If you want to give a yellow card for this then you have to do it always because this was the smallest touch possible from Rice and therefore almost all other cases will be more serious. (Guess what it won’t happen.
Same old arsenal but i wish my Chelsea can defend and score as them.
Have you bought Todd boehlys shares then? Are you going to change the insane transfer policy? 🤣
Not robbed at all, Rice deserved both yellows!
The game was changed by Rice committing two bookable offences, it's as simple as that.