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A Problem with Shadow - Ram Rebel Overland Build Issue - Rear Squat
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- Опубликовано: 15 авг 2024
- I love the Ram Rebel a lot, but there has been one issue with it over time that needed to get fixed.
Rear squat on the Ram 1500.
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00:00 Introduction
01:15 Issue with Ram
03:10 Possible Solution for Squat
04:50 Coffee/Relax
06:51 Rig Build Updates
Nice to see Shadow get that upgrade Ed! Looks like it is sitting pretty now. And thanks for wearing my hat during your entire video! 👊❤️
Thanks Michael! Thanks again for the hat! I love the look of it 🍻
Carli has created a heavy duty rear spring I think with 500 lbs in mind for those with constant weight on the Rebel, but tuned for a dynamic ride.
I saw that! But it seems to be a bit more expensive than the Dobinson, so I’ll keep in mind for the time being 🙌👊
Nice rig!! I had similar issues, I installed Airlift airbags HD inside the coils, connected in series, so the air compensates between both when offloading. I have an airtank and compressor running the system automatically. 4 years with the setup and worked !
Airbags is where I was thinking of going to. Is it quite expensive?
Hi Ed, you can also put RAM 2500 rear coils on a RAM 1500. this is something aftermarket companies wont share because they want to sell you their products but in the RAM online community (forums) its a well known option. the only take away is the rear ride might be a little stiffer empty but nothing a load like you are carrying wont take care of. plus it allows you alot more capacity after you're 500lbs load is taken into consideration.
Thanks for the heads up. Are the 2500 coils the same length as the ones in the Ram Rebel?
@@KrokemOutdoors that i cant say, all i know is some ppl have done the 2500 coils swapped on the 1500 chassis. it might not be a direct fit but im sure its nothing a shop with fabrication services cant handle given you already have a rear coil setup. that way you have an oem quality coil with a known capacity and inch/lbs rating at a fraction of the price to an aftermarket coil. if it is longer, im sure its not by much but you can always compensate the front with a 2-4" lift coil or system that will settle with the added weight on the front with your bumper and winch. hope this helps.
i have a Chevy 2500 myself just because i didn't want to spend on aftermarket suspension for extra capacity when i can get it oem with a decent ride.
@Edward Shin, another great vid, brother! One note about the exhaust. You should run the exhaust tips beyond the body on the sides. One main reason is that when sitting Idle; example: when sitting at a traffic light or in a traffic jam, the exhaust gets trapped underneath and can send fumes into the cab. Mine was from starting the truck and letting it idle to warm up. When I got in the cab was filled with exhaust.
I did this same “mod” back-in-the-day on my F-250, the same as you showed. The fumes inside the cab, with all windows closed, was horrible, especially since it was winter. It gave me a horrendous headache for three days. The next day I extended the pipes out both sides just in front of the rear tires. No more gagging exhaust fumes.
Thanks brother! I currently have them cut behind the rear wheel, so I didn’t feel that the fumes would reach the cab. But I’ll keep this in mind and see if I notice any odors when driving around.
I am happy to report that so far , it has been minimal though 👍
I appreciate your feedback and suggestion!
I appreciate your in-depth explanations on how something actually feels or performs to you, without getting overly technical or being simplistic. Many a tuber explaining their builds just toss specs at you from the shop or just say that it rides nice. You giving a cause, an effect and possible solutions is refreshing.
I have a 2020 power wagon, leitner rack, decked drawers, CVT clamshell tent, oversized spare. I went with the Carli pintop and ordered the upgraded rear springs rated at am additional 400lbs, not only are they thicker but they are 3inches taller. They fixed my rear sag. That said the front control arms stole about 3 inches of clearance, so be cautious there. I also took the nitrogen charge from 200lbs to 250lbs on the rear.
I went with air ride air bags. Installed it super fast. Only 100 bucks. I have had zero maintenance or problems with my set up. I went with the easy air option and just ran the air line up to my gas door and I fill it with a simple bicycle pump l. I know you talked about these types of set ups in the video but I would highly recommend trying it. And for 100 bucks you really can’t go wrong. Stay safe out there and God bless my dude!
what ones you go with?
Nice! Glad to hear it worked out!
@@a-aron1550 air lift 1000 drag bags
I've had great results with my Jackery 1000. I tested it in extreme heat last summer. Left it running my fridge in the truck during 110 degree heat when the interior of the truck was at least 140-150 degrees for about 12 hours. After that time, fridge was still at 39 degrees and the Jackery still had 74 percent power left. Very happy with it. Solar charging system works well, too. Good video. Thanks
Nice, I’ve been pleasantly surprised with its performance so far 👍
I have a Ram 1500 build. I had same issue. My guy recommended air spring helpers. It's been a game changer. The air ride is adjustable based on my loading. And I can adjust ride side to side.
Great idea on the Jackery - eager to hear how it does in extreme cold. Also interesting on drying the awning. When I was a Scout leader, we had a system to hang ground tents and tarps when returning from a rainy or snowy camp out.
So far it has been surprisingly good. Temps down to mid 20’s so far. Curious to see how they perform in colder temps
Thanks for keeping us updated. Good information for later
Totally jealous of that coffee maker. You've got style my friend. Definitely got style!
Thanks Art, lol. It’s just one I use at home and don’t typically bring out overlanding, but it seemed like a good fit for this day trip 🤙🙏
Glad you got the rear sag remedied. My Hondas rear was sagging severely, but finally got it fixed with higher rate Eibach springs. I'm so happy now!
Dude I didn’t know yours was sagging that bad! Glad to hear you got it remedied too. Hope to share some trail/camp time with you soon brother 👊
You could always Add 1” or 2” Spacers Under the Rear Springs as well to help with the rear sagging
I personally would like to avoid spacers, but I’d the sagging comes back, I’ll give it some more thought. Thank you for the suggestion 🙌👊
A good ed shin video while at work and gloomy rainy weather, can’t get better
Thanks for watching, and stay warm/dry! 🤙
Another good video. Thanks. I had Dobinson springs on my 80 series and they held up great. As others have mentioned, the Carli suspensions seem great. I recently installed one of their systems on my 2500 and it is much better than what was on there. I'm glad you're getting everything worked out on the rig. It looks awesome. 👌
Thanks! 🙏 I heard Carli recently released one for the Rebel, but it is a bit expensive, so I went with the slightly less expensive route 🙌
Yeah the Carli wasn't cheap. I only did a leveling kit with all four shocks, track bar, and extended sway bar connects and it was pricey. This is a truck I plan on keeping for a long time so I thought it was worth it. I hope so at least. :) I look forward to seeing what you decide on. Thanks again for effort you put into these videos.
I have those same dobinsons hd springs on my Cherokee trailhawk, and I carry 600 pounds or so static all the time . I have had my my jeep fully loaded , towing a trailer weighing 2600 lbs and 3 other 200 pound adults in it beside my weight and I couldn't get them to sag at all. When they say hd springs they mean it. I've also had them on for over 2 years and off road with that weight and haven't ever noticed a change in the springs. I would be surprised if you ever do
That’s great to hear! I hope they will perform the same for the Ram as well
I have a 2021 Ram 1500 classic Warlock and I did do the air bags that go in the coils sand I gotta say it wasn’t that bad to install. And I’m really happy with them so far.
Nice touch with the classical guitar Ed. I was cooking my breakfast during that segment. Made it more enjoyable.
Another great video! I have the basic Timbergrove air bags on my Rebel and it’s nice to have the capability to adjust the rear when I have the extra payload. I do need some HD springs though as I have the RSI SmartCap (400 lbs!) and sometimes my RTT and all the other gear I take on our trips. Definitely will take a good look at the Dobinsons. Thanks again for the review and look forward to a future long term eval. 👊🏼
what a peaceful moment @6:30, definitely needed that from my work desk
Edward, I have a Icon Dynamic Level 3 kit on my 5th gen 4Runner. After getting the various mods to the vehicle. The 4Runner's back end sagged badly.
The Icon Dynamics rear coil springs a no go. In Turn, with the addition of "Old Man Emu 880lb constant weight lifting coil springs"..
A huge difference in lift and ride characteristics. 6 inches on the front and 8 inches on the rear.
The 4Runner has a slight downward slope on the front, It handles great and corners flat, even when fully kitted out. Good luck with your new springs. May they be the answer to the rear sagging issue. Or perhaps a custom made set of coil springs. From "Alcan" the same company who made custom rear leaf springs for Jason of "Primal Outdoors" Just a possibility Cheers, Mate.
Thank you Jack! Glad to hear the heavy duty coil setup is working out on your 4Runner 🤙
I’m hoping these coils I got will do the job, but will keep options open and in mind just in case. 🙌
Awesome rig. So much Toyota and Jeep content it is nice to see something different.
I really enjoy the videos. I just wish they were longer but I understand you have a family and work. Keep 'em coming!
Thanks for understanding Adam, but longer videos will be released whenever I am able to make them 🙌👍
Just came across your channel. Like the content. Thanks
Sorry if this was covered in other videos, but I have a few questions:
1) What is the max payload listed on the door?
2) What was the new/unmodified curb weight of the vehicle?
3) What is the GVWR of this truck?
4) What is the current weight, dry or loaded for the trail?
5) Original springs on the truck probably had a rating of lbs per inch compression. Ram should share that info with consumer or dealer.
6) Suggest NOT buying coils without knowing the spec of weight per inch of compression. Otherwise they might not even be as good as what you have/had. Marketing terms like
'heavy duty' other any other non-measurable term mean nothing.
Saw someone mention using 2500 coils, assuming they fit, learn their specs first and see if your carry weight and the desired squat match up.
Curious if the truck had any additional payload package type options when new?
Sorry, had more than a few questions but hate to see someone disappointed in their truck performance. Riding on bump stops is not good for the truck or it's owner. Your truck forums will provide the best info online as fellow owners are not paid to lie or mislead to sell you things :)
You should put some turn downs on those exhaust pipes. It will keep the fumes from building up under the bed, and also reduce risk of melting any wiring in the path of the exhaust.
Edward, great to see the great northwest through your content. Hey, if I may, what is your hot water and coffee set up in this video. I would love one for my travels. Thank you
I had a 2019 rebel and absolutely loved it but it does have some limitations. I went with a 2022 2500 with the Cummins and off-road package and it’s been great. Torque is never a question and with a coil suspension all around, it rides well. Plenty of options from carli as well to fine tune things
Any issues with the coils after adding some weight on the bed?
@@KrokemOutdoors no, I never keep a constant weight in the bed. I use it heavily work for as well as fun. Between rocks, plywood or a gooseneck trailer, it’s been fine. I did change out the skid plates with some from CJC off road and the AEV wheels gave it the perfect offset. The Rebel definitely had a tighter turning radius which I miss, especially on some trails. The interiors are almost identical so I felt right at home.
I have a RAM2500 but can’t recommend air bags enough. I run a Norweld with a FWC and KING’s. The weight swing is massive depending on the trip, bags are the way to go.
Catching up with some RUclips, and I just had to comment about your choice in coffee. Royal Kona is one of my favorite coffees! My brother introduced me to Kona coffee while he was stationed in Hawaii in the early 2000’s. Now what I really enjoy, is the Lion Premium Gold 10% Kona blend. It’s a little lighter roast that brews up so well in my 55 y/o Farberware percolator. Also, and you might have updated by now, but I’m very interested about what you think about those coil springs? I’ve been wanting something for my Rebel, since I’m constantly loading the bed with firewood. That sag kills me. Anyway, great video and great content! Cheers!
My 2008 tundra has the Firestone airbags, I only pump them up as needed. No on board air compressor either.
RAM-1500 KING OF TRUCKS 👌
Love it!
Gettin shadow fine tuned. 👏
It never ends 😆👊
May I suggest Timber Grove enterprises airbags, they are not the cheapo airlift stuff. I have this on my TRX and i can get any stance to what ever I want, any time and under any situation.
Sweet truck and set-up, Ed. I'm sure that it engenders a lot of confidence in you, knowing that you can get around in that kind of weather, eh? 🤙
Thanks Sean! Since I love weather like, I try to outfit as much as possible to be able to handle the terrain/weather. It definitely helps with trusting the vehicle will get me in and out safe to the best of my abilities
Glad you got the sag fixed Ed. That would bother me as well.
Thanks Rolando, it definitely helps a ton
One thing I heard about you going with a dual battery system. If you’re looking on putting a solar panel on your hood, I would recommend that you remove the wrap on the hood before doing it. If you want to know, direct message me. And I will tell you why
My rebel has the ram air suspension. So far it doesn’t seem to sag if i carry weight but I don’t have all the gear on there like you do.
I had good result with 1.5" strut spacer front, coil spacer rear on my ram 1500. Maybe a small spacer on the dobinsons rear coil would set you back to slightly nose down, like an mt bed, with you permenent static load? REBELs are slightly taller than other models.
Always right on point 👊🏼👊🏼
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Nice looking truck. How has reliability been? Good info. Thanks for sharing. Coil should hold up. Not as well as leaf springs.
The only issue I’ve ran into so far is the power steering failure one time. Hoping that will be the last of that
I forgot the companies name I'll look it up for you, but there is a company that instead of just making a standard hd coil they have you go weigh the back of your truck and they custom make you coils based on weight and I think height you want.
Wow that looks great 👍
Thanks Todd!
Nicely done Edward, coffee looks good.
It was perfect for the weather 😄🙌
My curiosity would be the difference in stiffness of ride when the equipment is removed. That's assuming you remove it when not overlanding.
The boys down in Australia called big dog builds use an air compressor and air bag for the rear to help with all the weight with the overland builds on their trucks. You should check it out should help more with your rear sag.
he mentions that he didn't want to do air bags in the video
If the coils don’t work out as intended, I may look into them as a last resort 👍
Consider carli suspension if there is continued issues with the suspension
Anyone have any ideas for my 2016 rear model? I gutted the air ride in my rebel and threw an icon stage 4 in bit have the same problem when I'm fully camped out. I'm guessing with everything Im about 750lbs extra
I got same setup and same issue. I went with 4 inch BDS lift. I got a spacer at the back but still sagging. What height Dobinson coils did3 you go with for your height?
Great video new sub here 😀 can't wait for future content
Great video as always Edward! Super informative! How does your fridge do in the bed of the truck under the roof top tent? does rain effect it much?
Thanks Thor! So far so good! I’m surprised it hasn’t shorted yet
Hi, how did those dobinsons work for you? I have a 21 ram rebel I'm building and I'm have squatting issues with only 220 pounds and I'm not even done adding weight lol.
Yay!
With all the weight, accessories etc. I'm surprised you haven't gotten into a canopy camper yet. Any plans down the line?
Well, I am exploring some options. I love the idea of canopy/tent setups
@@KrokemOutdoors You seem like you'd enjoy the GFC/Alu Cab/AT Overland type of campers.
You ever try airbags to help with the weight.
You need to give Carli and CJC Off Road a call. They can get you a better setup and significantly better shock.
I thought about it, but their kit is substantially more expensive , so it’s a item I have on my list for the future (possibly)
No more tree hitting for 2023! Promise me!❤
I can’t guarantee anything!
Add an 1” spacer to the rear coils.
I’m at that exact fork in the road with my Sport 1500. I elected to go with 2” spring spacers on top of the springs. I hate how it handles on highway camber, which can be 70% of overland driving in AZ where I live. I much prefer the sag and the drive feel, but just not the bouncy feel under load. So, unless I want bags, looking at longer springs. Not sure if a greater capacity weight rated spring will change what I already have. Interested in your updates.
That is a reason why I personally prefer no spacers, since it affects the ride quality.
But I’ll provide updates on how these hd coils hold up over time
Surprised the Jackery can be out in the snow and get wet
What is that you used to boil your water for coffee?
Would air shocks help
Aloha Edward.... looking for a back bumper.... Where did you find the bumper for the RAM?
It's from Expedition One. I love it!
I have the exact same issue of "saggy backend" on my rig and it's VERY noticeable. Wonder if these would be a solution for my old righ? I'll have to look into these. Thanks for sharing brother!
You bet Bryce! I’m still testing it out to see if they lose any height over time
Why didn’t you break out the canopy..? Love your channel 👍🏼👍🏼
I actually didn’t mind the snowfall at all . When I’m at camp though, I’ll usually open it
Great channel Edward, but don't understand the reason to test the Jackery in the weather. What's the end goal? Getting it wet will kill the battery? Yeah we already knew that. Can it handle misting or maybe a 1/4", 1/2", 1 foot? Makes no sense. That's like leaving your windows down on your Ram truck and saying the leather seats don't hold up or hold too much moisture or the water gets in the door and you have a mold issue so Rams have mold issues if you get too much moisture in the door. I don't get the reasoning of the test. Seems like a waste of resources as the outcome only shows failure, not whether it can handle so many charges, or so many cups of coffee... You lost me on this one. Save travels.
I’m very interested in the dual battery for the Ram, I have my own build going on right now and been thinking about doing the same thing.
I have airlift bags that have built in bump stops and onboard air solely for the bags. I do plan on putting a ARB twin compressor as well.
Will keep the channel updated on status 👍
Seems like the front was measured higher on the tire than the rear.
Nice rig but have you thought of a camper type like GFC, Super Pacific or Lone Peak? In that way all your stuff will stay dry.
I actually have been thinking about it a lot!
@@KrokemOutdoors -Yup coz a lot of bed rack setup Overlanders are transitioning to a lightweight camper now, I’ll be excited to see what camper you’re gonna get. I personally got a Four Wheel Campers Project M and I am more than happy. Following your adventures.
@@norkisserrano I hear nothing but great things about the Project M! 👌
I'm not familiar with Ram Trucks, and know air suspension can be expensive, but do they sell an air bag kit as a helper? I have a buddy with a Tacoma who has a set he adds air to manually depending on his load conditions.
Yeah they have some that you can stuff inside the coils for about $100, and manually inflate/deflate, but I personally don’t like the idea of it
Just put 2500 coils in it, easiest upgrade ever.
Same length as the Rebel coils?
Could have just thrown some firestone riderites on it with daystar cradles on the rear
You need a Power Wagon bro!… or AEV Prospector.
Where did you get your front bumper?
I am surprised the Jackery is ok out in the open/snow?
So far it’s been fine, but I’ll report back if any issues arise 👍
Every truck/SUV manufacturer and insurance adjuster does a facepalm when they see overlanders, they’re like….”why do we even make payload rating no one’s following it?”
Ram Rebel payload rating is 1,860 lbs, I got around 500 lbs on the truck bed. Is that an issue for insurance?
@@KrokemOutdoors nice, everything you add to the truck takes away from payload even the bigger tires. It would be nice if that was a mod available was to increase payload.
I really hope your Jackery doesn't bonk on you. They are built great, but Jackery lacks any kind of USA based facility for after warranty service/repair. This basically leaves the owner hanging in the wind with an expensive brick with no way to repair it. Yes, this is from my personal experience. So I learned and just moved on to a different brand with 2.5 times the warranty, top notch customer service, and USA based repair center for any after warranty service/repair needs.
What carhartt jacket is that?
www.carhartt.com/product/103372/full-swing-relaxed-fit-ripstop-insulated-jacket---3-warmest-rating?colorCode=undefined_SW
@@KrokemOutdoors looks great might have to get it
申你好，这款户外电源是中国产的吧，在中国它叫 “电小二” ，小二一词在中国古代是酒馆和旅店的服务生，一般客人来住宿或者喝酒吃饭，会招呼服务生，古代叫小二，所以这个名字起的还是有点俏皮的，不过出口到非中国地区就换成你们手里的那个名字了。
What bumpers do you have on your ram ?
Did you find out the back bumper that Ed put on??? I'm looking for one...
@@charlesroggow5551 nope Never got a response
What kind of jacket is that?
Carrhart :
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should have kept the Tundra
I miss it all the time
500lbs isn't much weight. That's concerning!Dodge/ Ram trucks have never been well built.
Best built trucks and awarded for it kid...and 500lbs is alot when your over kid..wake up kid
Whoo, first!
Fish Tacoma is the GOAT of first comments
@@JonDZ_Adventuring 😂😂🤣🙌
On point! 💪
Toyota tundra must have been a better option than the fiat made ram, no? I guess the time of the purchase and landscape might have been part of you choosing fiat.
None available when I was looking unfortunately
@@KrokemOutdoors keep up the great content. Thanks for all your hard work that goes into these videos. Cheers
It’s a Ram….
I love it
@@KrokemOutdoors do you think it’s as well built as that Tundra though?
@@bwer2 in some ways no, in other ways I like it better. For example, I enjoy driving the Ram more than the Tundra due to the interior and suspension . I think each has is strengths and weaknesses when compared with each other
Ram famous for not honoring their warranty,hire a lawyer if you drive ram
He Ed I have the same winch .The Warn Zeon 12s platinum. Can you let us know how that is working out and how you have it connected. I read that it draws 40 amps and the IBS sensors is only good for 30 amps. Thanks.
hello . you can use "ironman4x4" springs 500kg+
Hi ed just wondering if messing with suspension does it void your factory warranty
According to the dealer where I purchased the truck, under 3 inches is fine
lol when you mentioned the spring. advertisement alert!!
You mean the springs I paid full price for?
You need stronger shocks is what u need
How do you like the falcons? I’m thinking to buy a set of suspension for my rebel and falcons are one of them that I want.
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