Here's the fix: everyone has to stop consooming forever. Period. No more marrying IPs and coping as they decline. Cut all investment as soon as you see the signs.
The problem is most good series need a couple seasons to really get their sea legs, so a good series will have an alright season one and end up having amazing later seasons, but a banger season 1 is like a death sentence now. You either start off mid and die a hero or you start off great and end up begging for its death.
@@na5794 not sure how you can extrapolate like that. The issue here is that if a show is successful the producer/activists/parent company homes on it and ruin it, it's a completely different from the older TV series that were just made as TV series
@@ephraimwinslow that's not fixing anything, by not consoooming you are only accelerating the fall of the tainted IPs. That will not stop them from destroying new stuff.
This show broke me. I’ve watched season one 22 times. I’ve only grown to love it more as I watched. I’ve seen the season 2 episodes like 3 times and I feel intellectually insulted and disappointed more and more every time I see them. Definitely making a video on it. Years of simping for this show means I gotta step up to the plate to keep my principles.
Arcane used to feel like a masterpiece; now it’s like they hired Jinx herself to write the plot-chaotic, nonsensical, and somehow always aiming at the wrong target.
@@djdeadbeat4380They made a massive mistake in placing her center stage, in a role that has nothing close to the bite of season 1 Jinx. And I get it, they wanted to quickly humanize her, and sweep the whole terrorism thing under the rug. But it's not given enough time, and it's attempted without Jinx ever being confronted about the terrorism.
@@djdeadbeat4380I wouldn't say she's become another bargain Harley Quinn knockoff. The real issue is they didn't follow through on her full villain arc and war on Piltover that was clearly set in stone in the S1 finale. Pulled a Joker 2... damn shame.
@@tobeornottobe5611 yeah, she’s certainly not as bad as Harley Quinn in her recent portrayals, but what I mean is she fulfills a similar role of being random and quirky simply because she’s insane.
Ehh, I don't think S1's moments of plot armor were that egregious, because there weren't that many. Especially not back to back moments of plot armor in a single scene.
@@YaBoiPaladin I'm just not as sensitive to the type of plot armor that was in S1. Whereas S2 just writes characters into situations where they need plot armor constantly.
I mean, the visuals tho, actually. Disregarding everything else, the animation is a technical masterpiece. No matter how you feel about the show, that is an undeniable fact.
I avoided this EFAP because I hadn't watched Season 2 yet, but I went back and watched the full thing afterwards. Man....I am very concerned for how this show is going to end. I was not at all impressed with how S2 has started.
It totally matches the game lore though because Vi has a higher base movement speed than Cait so obviously she would be better to go after the hammer. Very serious defense and not a troll. Oh and Jayce was probably okay because he bought a health potion. Not a troll.
And you know whats the saddest thing of all? That like clockwork, a show that lacks in the story department gets universally praised specifically for that (and the animation but most people i have come across use the ''great story'' as an example of how something having woke elements doesn't necessarily make it bad and unlikeable). Media literacy is just a myth known only by a small minority.
Having never really been a fan of arcane, I could care less. But, I shall ask the now infamous question: “How does it feel to live long enough to see all your favorite franchises go down in flames?”
Yeah. They are straight-up misrepresenting scenes to try and call the choreography bad. Case in point "The enforcers run at chainsaw lady, missing all their shots, and get killed", while simultaneously showing video of the enforcers moving forward to get between her and Jace (because it's their job to protect him), and hitting their shots (she just blocks them). Makes me really start to question their honesty.
Jinx pulled a joker 2 for no reason. Vi and Caitlynn break up because the plot forces them too for some reason? Ekko, Hamster and Jayce literally disappear for some reason? And Viktor doesnt even get to choose the glorious evolution himself! (Biggest sin) Also Mel surivived for some reason but only seems to exist to steal screen time from more interesting characters like Ekko and Jayce. What the hell happened?
To be fair Victor's speech at the end of Act 2 had him acknowledge that the problem with people is people, and that his commune would always fail because of it. Hence you could imply, without Act 3 being out yet, that that's a driver him becoming who he is in the game. Jinx never wanted to lead a rebellion, she wanted to be left alone so her rejecting the call is fine. I did have a problem though with how fast she made up with Vi though, literally in one episode their killing each other and two episodes later their doing a buddy cop investigation.
There is a lot of wrong with Arcane Season 2 - but jesus you really are OVER focusing on logistics. Yes if its storybreaking, sure - but focusing on character directions and plot itself is much more important man like the whole Jayce council absence. Most of the whole EFAP is focused on logistics and at some point you have to say "okay but this is not that important"
Man, Rags was really convinced that Zaun would never be able to sneak people onto an airship and that everyone in Piltover (a city known for its many airships carrying cargo) should be super suspicious of that one airship flying overhead…
if you had any understanding of how tightly regulated airspace (and sea shipping) is in the modern world, you would also understand. He is not talking about the people but of the authorities, that would just get an unregistered ship come out from nowhere and fly over their city. They do grasp the concept of bombardment too in this universe
This really was a weird thing to get hung up on with all the other problems. We saw season one that Silco was easilly using the airships (with his goons crewed to the ship) to transport shimmer, so Zaun getting an airship and attacking that way seems pretty easy to accomplish. You could, however, point out that with the current political climate, why wouldn't the airspace above the memorial be declared a no fly zone, with a perimeter (of airships) to enforce it, and orders to shoot down any who cross into that space. Zaun isn't a distant enemy, they're litterally right below Piltover, and you know that the last guy, the one who raised the girl that blew up your council, used airships previously in his plans. TL/DR GUARD YOUR FUCKING AIRSPACE WHEN ALL YOUR IMPORTANT PEOPLE ARE IN ONE PLACE
@@marcogenovesi8570 right… that’s why no sneak attack has ever been successfully carried out by commercial aircraft ever… I can’t think of any instance of a plane being infiltrated and hijacked in recent memory, can you?
@@kevinappleman8521 that makes more sense to me as a criticism, but even so I could still see that oversight happening, especially given the oversights we’ve seen from Piltover thusfar. There have been many glaring flaws with this season, and the Zaunites finding a way to attack by air is not one of them…
@@mrdropkicker1especially considering Ambessa was facilitating the attack. Given how much power she’s been allowed in Piltover (for whatever reason - that’s one problem that should be focussed on) she could easily smuggle some Zaunite assassins on board.
Yeah...I like the mauler, rags, fringy and everyone but I wonder why they think the show is good when in reality it wasn't. The last of us show was awful and a failed comparison towards the game. Which how is that even possible they have the actual blueprints but managed to failed
@@oscarborjajr1176 Because it wasn't an adaptation of the original story of the first game. It was, quite literally, an adaptation made in order to justify the story of part 2. That's why Ellie was such a standoffishh twat. That's why Joel was so neutered to the point of suferring fucking panic attacks! It works wonder as a prequel for the story of The last of Us part 2 though xD
We can only speculate, but my money is on the theory that because the show is too expensive and takes too long to make, and they wanted to move on to other projects, they had to end it on 2nd season and tried to squeeze everything they wrote into a single season, resulting in an extremely rushed narrative that has no room to breathe, and in some cases makes no sense.
It's a combination of rushing the season and having rewrites I believe because Riot Games decided they wanted Arcane to be canon after the success fo season 1. Still, never understood why everyone thought season 1 was a masterpice 10/10 stuff when it's not even a complete story and ended on a cliffhanger and now that we have the continuation... yeah.
My guess is the writers spent a long time working on the script for season 1 and didn't work on much for S2 in case it didn't get renewed. They then get the green light and have to rush a script out so that it can start to be animated. So they didn't put as much time or attention into it, less redrafts and long-term planning.
Rags' autism is getting really grating. Das asks a completely innocuous question and Rags could just accept the premise and move on, because he literally says it doesn't affect anything if it's true, but no he insists on stopping the conversation to get Das to explain himself. Part of what makes these things way too long is Rags constantly interrupting and berating people. So irritating.
This is called "interrogation" and it's what EFAP does, even to other members of the panel. Das is a big boy. He can take care of himself. Rags doesn't have to baby him while asking questions, especially if he doesn't agree. Cry more.
I thoroughly enjoyed my time with season 2... but that's because I came into it WANTING to love it. It didn't take long for the illusion to break... ahh well.. at least we still have season 1
same, I wanted to cope bc I enjoyed most of the things with warwick, but as you said, it was very easy for the illusion to break with the sheer amount of mistakes in act 1 alone.
@@augustusfren133 the warwick stuff is really nice in isolation... and when combined with the music I got a little teary eyed... but it's all cheap when you think about it.
I will say that I’d rather watch and be severely disappointed by Arcane season 2 several times over, then subject myself to anything of the current day MCU.
Well, I made a bet that if there was a better accompaniment of music in a scene in season 2 than What could have been or Guns for Hire then I’d play league as a punishment. Looks like I dodged that one. My sanity has been saved but at what cost :(.
It's a detail but I'm still frustrated that we get no context for half the council surviving the explosion at the end of season 1. Yes, it's probably something to do with Mel, but how?
It really seems like a victim of rush because instead of how s1 built up a lot they skip through all the development to make eveything happen this season. Its even more evident in act 2 where jinx becomes an anti hero and her relationship with isha. Plus how jayce and victor take opposite paths of s1.
I don't know how I knew, but I knew it. I hoped I didn't know, but now that I know-- I knew. dammit man I was really hoping this stupid show would stay good
was never all that impressed with season one but it's sad to hear this one is a downgrade. if Andor goes and drops the ball too, I'm renouncing modern media altogether
@Ben-js8kq I don't care about anything LOL related, and this has done nothing to change my mind. Writing can bee good, but if I don't care about the characters in the first place, then it's just wasted on me, so in that sense, it's bad, "in my opinion". As an artist tho, I can appreciate the artistic and technical aspects of it. It looks and moves beautifully and it has set the bar very high for future productions of the same kind. Fantastic work.
@@AppleInk you should still give it a try, as someone who doesnt give a shit about league i still loved the show coz you dont need to know or be attached to the IP in any way
I don't think it's bad, but there is some issues I agree. Mostly how Cait treats and talks to Vi after all they've been through. Shit man, they should be forged in fire after their past, not sending out little cutting remarks.
I could tell just from the trailers alone that the odds of this thing holding together over time for a whole show were unlikely lol. Glad I never even started watching.
@@RilfDanielsonseason 1 is genuinely very good overall. I'd cut out maybe 1/2 an episode of run time to elevate it to excellent and end on a conclusive note.
It’s hard to pin down, but something about many of the designs and visuals always seemed off to me. Like an uncanny valley ugliness; the eye size/spacing, teeth, facial bone structure, etc. Like it’s trying to wear too many hats at once.
So, another example of a show which has a fantastic first season (or at least good / entertaining) and then soils the bed? ala - Westworld, the Witcher?
Why Ambessa hev authority to decide who can go to the Memorial though? And if she doesn'T have it how she could help them get in? And if not all the Enforcers on it how they can stay hidden when the place is filled with Enforcers? And if the Enforcers are on it why they are killed?
Ok. I'm going to be frank, this was a really bad clip. You guys are straight-up misrepresenting scenes to try and call the choreography bad. Case in point "The enforcers run at chainsaw lady, missing all their shots, and get killed", while simultaneously showing video of the enforcers moving forward to get between her and Jace (because it's their job to protect him), and hitting their shots (she just blocks them). If you're going to pause at every frame, please represent the scene correctly.
It's profoundly silly for the scene to have played out as it did. They disempower the fact that firearms exist by making every character not using them capable of super human feats of reaction time. The only time guns are ever effective are when plot relevant (so basically just Cait and Jinx, but again only when plot relevant). There's a reason why in Season 1 guns are barely in use, it was to avoid this problem of believability. I've just realized the more I'm forced to think about how scenes in season 2 play out, it really doesn't come close to season 1.
@@TheHeartThatRunsCold The chem baron is literally juiced up on shimmer, y'know, the stuff that allows for superhuman speed/reaction times? So no, her deflecting an attack she was expecting is not at all stupid. And even if that were the case, EFAP still blatantly misrepresented the scene.
@@captainuseless2120 I have only seen the highlight clip of this show, but it doesn't seem to be misrepresentation. Why would the enforcer step in front of the VIP and *then* shoot when that could be done immediately upon spotting the target? That's what guns are for; you can respond immediately from range. The fastest and best way to save the VIP is to shoot the attacker immediately and *not* step in front of him before shooting. By the way, the VIP shouldn't wait and watch from behind the protector, he should hightail it out of the place right away. The attacker might overwhelm the protector, there may be other attackers coming in from other directions and so on. I get that the show wants to communicate that the protector died for the VIP, but competent people shouldn't act like this.
EFAP complains about how big the chainsaw the chem-baron is wielding in one scene then turn around and complain about her blocking bullets with it cmon now
@@MrSchnorkel It’s called shielding people with your body, the enforcer was trying to buy Jace time to run. It’s what bodyguards everywhere do. Your charge is the #1 priority. And once again, you are deflecting from the fact that they still misrepresented the scene.
thats probably why you like it more than s1 cuz the writers also dont seem to understand s1 either. you understand season 2 more because its just the writers telling you things are a certain way and you take them at their word rather than the characters and their actions being consistent with their values and motivations. why even watch s2 if you didnt understand s1? lmao
Arcane was ALWAYS nonsense. Idk why you people thought the original first season was well written when it objectively never was it was ONLY carried by it's spectacle. It's writing was always mid it's just finally gotten tot he point you guys can't ignore how sloppy it is.
Jayce, Vi, Cait, Mel, Heimer, Ekko, and basically anyone outside of Singed, Jinx, and Silco are super one dimensional and extremely cliche. Jayce and Viktor especially were boiled down to boring characters compared to their LoL lore counterparts, heimer is just "magic bad", ekko is never really given a lot to do, Vi could be removed and it would have 0 effect on Jinx's development, Caitlyn literally exists to be the naive cop and thats about all. The divide between piltover and zaun just exist and is never explained so just don't think about it :D! The story is extremely cliche and I knew what was going to happen by the 3rd and 4th epsiode. Theres a few points. So yes... objectively bad. Get fucked go attempt to be smug elsewhere
It was nonsense from the first episode. Even from pre pre production. But you could not see it. You've been so blinded by the hate of certain things, that you are tricked to love others for the sake of not being as the first ones. And you realize on day 2 that they are the same. In their essence.
@@Gannoh Didn't talk about writing quality. Said it was in _essence_ nonsensical at it's core from the beginning. Between the suject, the themes, the writers, the era when it's made, the ideology behind, the policy and editorial line of the network where it air and a dozen other factor, it was nonsensical, garbage and **sick** from day one. I'm not gonna debate or try to explain any further. If you really want to understand it, you'll make it by yourself anyway.
What are you blabbing about? Arcane Season 1 is exceptional. Even with its queer representation, its occasional bits of plot armor, and its occasional indulgence (like including Imagine Dragons in the world), it accomplishes quite a bit in terms of its writing. Season 2 is what everyone expected Arcane to be the first time around: lazily written for the sake of fanservice and queer representation.
@@wilder11 What you and your boys saw and disliked in season 2 was what me and mine saw and predicted before season 1. What season 2 was in practice, season 1 was in essence. And what you describe about season 2 is 10% of the issue and very much surface level problem. If you are too focus on this top of the iceberg stuff, you'll obvisouly be blind to the root of the issue and f-ing unable to see the essence of things from the get go.
@thecaboosevarietychannel now that the glamour has worn off I'm confident more people will come around to the fact that Arcane was always shit, there's very little in that show that holds up under scrutiny.
On the bright side, despite the compression Danmachi is going well enough. :) I can hate the studio execs for killing its window for broad appeal and mass success, but maybe thats the monkey's paw for it not being outright ruined?
"Somehow the Arcane writers didn't return"
THEY DID THO. 😭
They returned…
and now theyre saying planned to only do two seasons the whole time
Oof, because it's true.
They clearly forgot to smoke that good shit before writing time
Oh they did return but when they have to do a second season it shows they have no idea what there doing.
"It's a sad truth those who shine brightest often burn fastest"
Singed, my beloved. You still rock
This nonsense of only delivering a single good season of television must end.
Here's the fix: everyone has to stop consooming forever. Period. No more marrying IPs and coping as they decline. Cut all investment as soon as you see the signs.
The problem is most good series need a couple seasons to really get their sea legs, so a good series will have an alright season one and end up having amazing later seasons, but a banger season 1 is like a death sentence now. You either start off mid and die a hero or you start off great and end up begging for its death.
@@na5794 not sure how you can extrapolate like that. The issue here is that if a show is successful the producer/activists/parent company homes on it and ruin it, it's a completely different from the older TV series that were just made as TV series
@@ephraimwinslow that's not fixing anything, by not consoooming you are only accelerating the fall of the tainted IPs. That will not stop them from destroying new stuff.
@@gottesurteil3201 welcome to Chernobyl 2, electric boogaloo
"What Could Have Been"
😢
Season 2 gave that end song a whole new meaning 😮💨
In the writers’ pursuit of great, they failed to do good.
No.
But they didn't pursue greatness in season 2 though... that's why it's complete dogs**t....
🐕💩
@@shadowpriest2574 Yes.
This show broke me. I’ve watched season one 22 times. I’ve only grown to love it more as I watched. I’ve seen the season 2 episodes like 3 times and I feel intellectually insulted and disappointed more and more every time I see them.
Definitely making a video on it. Years of simping for this show means I gotta step up to the plate to keep my principles.
Arcane used to feel like a masterpiece; now it’s like they hired Jinx herself to write the plot-chaotic, nonsensical, and somehow always aiming at the wrong target.
Well put. XD
They also reduced Jinx from nuanced to another kooky, quirky Harley Quinn archetype.
@@djdeadbeat4380They made a massive mistake in placing her center stage, in a role that has nothing close to the bite of season 1 Jinx. And I get it, they wanted to quickly humanize her, and sweep the whole terrorism thing under the rug. But it's not given enough time, and it's attempted without Jinx ever being confronted about the terrorism.
@@djdeadbeat4380I wouldn't say she's become another bargain Harley Quinn knockoff. The real issue is they didn't follow through on her full villain arc and war on Piltover that was clearly set in stone in the S1 finale. Pulled a Joker 2... damn shame.
@@tobeornottobe5611 yeah, she’s certainly not as bad as Harley Quinn in her recent portrayals, but what I mean is she fulfills a similar role of being random and quirky simply because she’s insane.
I'd say the plot amour in fights was likely biggest problem with S1 and now it's the least of Arcane's problems.
Ehh, I don't think S1's moments of plot armor were that egregious, because there weren't that many. Especially not back to back moments of plot armor in a single scene.
@@TheHeartThatRunsCold No they were egregious.
@@YaBoiPaladin Example?
@@YaBoiPaladin I'm just not as sensitive to the type of plot armor that was in S1. Whereas S2 just writes characters into situations where they need plot armor constantly.
@@TheHeartThatRunsCold
Ekko and Jinx surviving a fucking grenade right next to them was pretty egregious lol
*“BuT tHe ViSuAlS, tHo!”*
The visuals are pretty damn tasty tho
I mean, the visuals tho, actually. Disregarding everything else, the animation is a technical masterpiece. No matter how you feel about the show, that is an undeniable fact.
Oh no! There is more things to a series than just writing! How tragic!!!!
I avoided this EFAP because I hadn't watched Season 2 yet, but I went back and watched the full thing afterwards. Man....I am very concerned for how this show is going to end. I was not at all impressed with how S2 has started.
Same... biggest disappointment this year (and this year has a lot of competition for biggest disaster)
It totally matches the game lore though because Vi has a higher base movement speed than Cait so obviously she would be better to go after the hammer. Very serious defense and not a troll. Oh and Jayce was probably okay because he bought a health potion. Not a troll.
it really just depends on what boots they bought and if Cait had gone early Zeal into Phantom Dancer
It really is a shame. Such a long wait and only disappointment pretty much.
And you know whats the saddest thing of all? That like clockwork, a show that lacks in the story department gets universally praised specifically for that (and the animation but most people i have come across use the ''great story'' as an example of how something having woke elements doesn't necessarily make it bad and unlikeable). Media literacy is just a myth known only by a small minority.
@@manman4949
“Small minority”
Okay, I believe you.
No. Stop it. Bad gamer.
🎶 jump in the line, rock your body in time 🎶
Justapancakes videos were so good.
Having never really been a fan of arcane, I could care less. But, I shall ask the now infamous question: “How does it feel to live long enough to see all your favorite franchises go down in flames?”
It broke me.
Yeah. They are straight-up misrepresenting scenes to try and call the choreography bad. Case in point "The enforcers run at chainsaw lady, missing all their shots, and get killed", while simultaneously showing video of the enforcers moving forward to get between her and Jace (because it's their job to protect him), and hitting their shots (she just blocks them). Makes me really start to question their honesty.
Star was Left the Chat
Alien Left the Chat
Lord of the Rings Left the chat
. . . Should I go on?
All caps fangirls with crying emojis on the side will make sure the writers dont realise their mistake by rating all the episodes in high 90s
Derp Vi is the only thing that brings me joy in life
I was going to put one of the many fitting Arcane quotes here, though I suppose we're ahead on that account.
every single person is my enemy
oh the treachery
Jinx pulled a joker 2 for no reason.
Vi and Caitlynn break up because the plot forces them too for some reason?
Ekko, Hamster and Jayce literally disappear for some reason?
And Viktor doesnt even get to choose the glorious evolution himself! (Biggest sin)
Also Mel surivived for some reason but only seems to exist to steal screen time from more interesting characters like Ekko and Jayce.
What the hell happened?
“Hamster” lol
@benboothroyd1523 I'm not even trying to spell its name.
Kind of, seem people really like season 2 so oh well
To be fair Victor's speech at the end of Act 2 had him acknowledge that the problem with people is people, and that his commune would always fail because of it. Hence you could imply, without Act 3 being out yet, that that's a driver him becoming who he is in the game.
Jinx never wanted to lead a rebellion, she wanted to be left alone so her rejecting the call is fine. I did have a problem though with how fast she made up with Vi though, literally in one episode their killing each other and two episodes later their doing a buddy cop investigation.
“Hamster” fits Heimerdinger lol
Man, 2024 been an bad year for media hasn't it?
There is a lot of wrong with Arcane Season 2 - but jesus you really are OVER focusing on logistics. Yes if its storybreaking, sure - but focusing on character directions and plot itself is much more important man like the whole Jayce council absence.
Most of the whole EFAP is focused on logistics and at some point you have to say "okay but this is not that important"
Bold of you to assume they're not just trying to only hate on it
Man, Rags was really convinced that Zaun would never be able to sneak people onto an airship and that everyone in Piltover (a city known for its many airships carrying cargo) should be super suspicious of that one airship flying overhead…
if you had any understanding of how tightly regulated airspace (and sea shipping) is in the modern world, you would also understand. He is not talking about the people but of the authorities, that would just get an unregistered ship come out from nowhere and fly over their city. They do grasp the concept of bombardment too in this universe
This really was a weird thing to get hung up on with all the other problems.
We saw season one that Silco was easilly using the airships (with his goons crewed to the ship) to transport shimmer, so Zaun getting an airship and attacking that way seems pretty easy to accomplish.
You could, however, point out that with the current political climate, why wouldn't the airspace above the memorial be declared a no fly zone, with a perimeter (of airships) to enforce it, and orders to shoot down any who cross into that space.
Zaun isn't a distant enemy, they're litterally right below Piltover, and you know that the last guy, the one who raised the girl that blew up your council, used airships previously in his plans.
TL/DR GUARD YOUR FUCKING AIRSPACE WHEN ALL YOUR IMPORTANT PEOPLE ARE IN ONE PLACE
@@marcogenovesi8570 right… that’s why no sneak attack has ever been successfully carried out by commercial aircraft ever… I can’t think of any instance of a plane being infiltrated and hijacked in recent memory, can you?
@@kevinappleman8521 that makes more sense to me as a criticism, but even so I could still see that oversight happening, especially given the oversights we’ve seen from Piltover thusfar. There have been many glaring flaws with this season, and the Zaunites finding a way to attack by air is not one of them…
@@mrdropkicker1especially considering Ambessa was facilitating the attack. Given how much power she’s been allowed in Piltover (for whatever reason - that’s one problem that should be focussed on) she could easily smuggle some Zaunite assassins on board.
I’m still trying to figure out how they let The Last of Us TV show get a pass. Seems like the only thing I genuinely can’t wrap my head around.
What was so bad about that show?
Yeah...I like the mauler, rags, fringy and everyone but I wonder why they think the show is good when in reality it wasn't. The last of us show was awful and a failed comparison towards the game. Which how is that even possible they have the actual blueprints but managed to failed
@@oscarborjajr1176 Because it wasn't an adaptation of the original story of the first game. It was, quite literally, an adaptation made in order to justify the story of part 2. That's why Ellie was such a standoffishh twat. That's why Joel was so neutered to the point of suferring fucking panic attacks! It works wonder as a prequel for the story of The last of Us part 2 though xD
They like their Sony slop? I don't know
What do you means by give it a pass? They criticized whatever flaws it had. Can you give us any examples?
So could someone explain to me as to what the fuck happened here? did the old writers not return for the 2nd season???
They did, and for reasons no mortal could ever comprehend they went from S tier to C tier.
We can only speculate, but my money is on the theory that because the show is too expensive and takes too long to make, and they wanted to move on to other projects, they had to end it on 2nd season and tried to squeeze everything they wrote into a single season, resulting in an extremely rushed narrative that has no room to breathe, and in some cases makes no sense.
It's a combination of rushing the season and having rewrites I believe because Riot Games decided they wanted Arcane to be canon after the success fo season 1. Still, never understood why everyone thought season 1 was a masterpice 10/10 stuff when it's not even a complete story and ended on a cliffhanger and now that we have the continuation... yeah.
My guess is the writers spent a long time working on the script for season 1 and didn't work on much for S2 in case it didn't get renewed. They then get the green light and have to rush a script out so that it can start to be animated. So they didn't put as much time or attention into it, less redrafts and long-term planning.
@@TheHeartThatRunsCold
It doesn’t matter how good of a writer you are, you can’t condense two(potentially more) seasons into one.
Rags' autism is getting really grating. Das asks a completely innocuous question and Rags could just accept the premise and move on, because he literally says it doesn't affect anything if it's true, but no he insists on stopping the conversation to get Das to explain himself. Part of what makes these things way too long is Rags constantly interrupting and berating people. So irritating.
rags and mauler do these sort of retarded things themselves not moments later too
Yea and it makes the conversation boring i have to skip when ever his autism flairs up
This is called "interrogation" and it's what EFAP does, even to other members of the panel. Das is a big boy. He can take care of himself. Rags doesn't have to baby him while asking questions, especially if he doesn't agree.
Cry more.
I've never liked Rags, personally. I'm here for Mauler mostly. Rags is just annoying.
@wilder11 cringe comment lol. They're "big boys" they don't need you to meatride and play defense.
I thoroughly enjoyed my time with season 2... but that's because I came into it WANTING to love it.
It didn't take long for the illusion to break...
ahh well..
at least we still have season 1
same, I wanted to cope bc I enjoyed most of the things with warwick, but as you said, it was very easy for the illusion to break with the sheer amount of mistakes in act 1 alone.
@@augustusfren133 the warwick stuff is really nice in isolation... and when combined with the music I got a little teary eyed... but it's all cheap when you think about it.
I will say that I’d rather watch and be severely disappointed by Arcane season 2 several times over, then subject myself to anything of the current day MCU.
Imagine if at the end of the season Ekko just undoes everything and we start back in S1.
One can only hope
Well, I made a bet that if there was a better accompaniment of music in a scene in season 2 than What could have been or Guns for Hire then I’d play league as a punishment.
Looks like I dodged that one. My sanity has been saved but at what cost :(.
It's a detail but I'm still frustrated that we get no context for half the council surviving the explosion at the end of season 1. Yes, it's probably something to do with Mel, but how?
It really seems like a victim of rush because instead of how s1 built up a lot they skip through all the development to make eveything happen this season. Its even more evident in act 2 where jinx becomes an anti hero and her relationship with isha. Plus how jayce and victor take opposite paths of s1.
6:54 best series of frames in Arcane S2
Synthetic Man must be laughing his ass off right now
It’d be funny if it weren’t true…
Then his mom comes in yelling at him because he didn't take the trash out
@@sognurT and forces him to give kids candy on Halloween
Nutsa sounds like she gets super stoned before hanging with the boys. Lmao
Blue Eye Samurai and Andor must deliver.
Lesson learned from this fiasco: DO. NOT. RUSH.
Thank you EFAP for forming my opinon this show.
It really gets a lot worse the more you think about it.
Let's hope the last three episodes stick the landing.
I don't know how I knew, but I knew it. I hoped I didn't know, but now that I know-- I knew.
dammit man I was really hoping this stupid show would stay good
Hi Wolf!
Rest in peace 😢
Modern shows are bad. If a modern show is good, it's good for only one season, and then it gets worse than the shows that started out bad.
Are you kidding me?
Did all the writers become one hit wonders all of a sudden?
was never all that impressed with season one but it's sad to hear this one is a downgrade. if Andor goes and drops the ball too, I'm renouncing modern media altogether
I despise Arcane, but at least you guys got some enjoyment out of it.
Why do you despise it though?
@Ben-js8kq I don't care about anything LOL related, and this has done nothing to change my mind. Writing can bee good, but if I don't care about the characters in the first place, then it's just wasted on me, so in that sense, it's bad, "in my opinion".
As an artist tho, I can appreciate the artistic and technical aspects of it. It looks and moves beautifully and it has set the bar very high for future productions of the same kind. Fantastic work.
@@AppleInk Well stated. I can respect that
@@AppleInk you should still give it a try, as someone who doesnt give a shit about league i still loved the show coz you dont need to know or be attached to the IP in any way
I didn't even wait for it and i'm still disappointed
I now feel vindicated in not having watched Arcane in the first place..
Appareantly they had one of Black Library's author writing in this... I guess thats a bad omen
This was probably the biggest disappointment of the year 😕
I don't think it's bad, but there is some issues I agree.
Mostly how Cait treats and talks to Vi after all they've been through. Shit man, they should be forged in fire after their past, not sending out little cutting remarks.
1:00:45 Noxian black metal, Plus all Noxians are on avarage stronger people.
When you saw the season 1 rot but nobody listened to you.
I could tell just from the trailers alone that the odds of this thing holding together over time for a whole show were unlikely lol. Glad I never even started watching.
@@RilfDanielsonseason 1 is genuinely very good overall. I'd cut out maybe 1/2 an episode of run time to elevate it to excellent and end on a conclusive note.
It’s hard to pin down, but something about many of the designs and visuals always seemed off to me. Like an uncanny valley ugliness; the eye size/spacing, teeth, facial bone structure, etc.
Like it’s trying to wear too many hats at once.
It’s beyond shameful.
Let the hate flow...
So disappointing... just tragic. Tbh I was sort of expecting this to be the case when I heard they were gonna complete the series in only 9 eps.
Game of thrones Season 8:
So, another example of a show which has a fantastic first season (or at least good / entertaining) and then soils the bed?
ala - Westworld, the Witcher?
House of the Dragon
So did we get different writers for this season or what??
Why Ambessa hev authority to decide who can go to the Memorial though? And if she doesn'T have it how she could help them get in? And if not all the Enforcers on it how they can stay hidden when the place is filled with Enforcers? And if the Enforcers are on it why they are killed?
Ok. I'm going to be frank, this was a really bad clip. You guys are straight-up misrepresenting scenes to try and call the choreography bad. Case in point "The enforcers run at chainsaw lady, missing all their shots, and get killed", while simultaneously showing video of the enforcers moving forward to get between her and Jace (because it's their job to protect him), and hitting their shots (she just blocks them). If you're going to pause at every frame, please represent the scene correctly.
It's profoundly silly for the scene to have played out as it did. They disempower the fact that firearms exist by making every character not using them capable of super human feats of reaction time. The only time guns are ever effective are when plot relevant (so basically just Cait and Jinx, but again only when plot relevant). There's a reason why in Season 1 guns are barely in use, it was to avoid this problem of believability.
I've just realized the more I'm forced to think about how scenes in season 2 play out, it really doesn't come close to season 1.
@@TheHeartThatRunsCold The chem baron is literally juiced up on shimmer, y'know, the stuff that allows for superhuman speed/reaction times? So no, her deflecting an attack she was expecting is not at all stupid. And even if that were the case, EFAP still blatantly misrepresented the scene.
@@captainuseless2120 I have only seen the highlight clip of this show, but it doesn't seem to be misrepresentation. Why would the enforcer step in front of the VIP and *then* shoot when that could be done immediately upon spotting the target? That's what guns are for; you can respond immediately from range. The fastest and best way to save the VIP is to shoot the attacker immediately and *not* step in front of him before shooting.
By the way, the VIP shouldn't wait and watch from behind the protector, he should hightail it out of the place right away. The attacker might overwhelm the protector, there may be other attackers coming in from other directions and so on. I get that the show wants to communicate that the protector died for the VIP, but competent people shouldn't act like this.
EFAP complains about how big the chainsaw the chem-baron is wielding in one scene then turn around and complain about her blocking bullets with it cmon now
@@MrSchnorkel It’s called shielding people with your body, the enforcer was trying to buy Jace time to run. It’s what bodyguards everywhere do. Your charge is the #1 priority. And once again, you are deflecting from the fact that they still misrepresented the scene.
59:29 OH FFS, another instance of "muh spears" winning the day versus guns. WAKANDU FOREVU
Ive always said arcane isn't what its made to be
Season One was great, it's just unfortunate that they set up the ending as a cliffhanger rather than letting it stand on its own.
They were being very rude to the not nutsa, not metal guest
I felt bad for Das in this section…
I want more Theo...
Sevika has slot armour.
🤮
I like it more than s1. I didn’t understand as much in s1. I still don’t know what happening with anyone other than Caitlin, vi and jink really.
thats probably why you like it more than s1 cuz the writers also dont seem to understand s1 either.
you understand season 2 more because its just the writers telling you things are a certain way and you take them at their word rather than the characters and their actions being consistent with their values and motivations.
why even watch s2 if you didnt understand s1? lmao
@ tbf I don’t remember shit from s1 as well.
Aw, did season 2 ruin the show?
No, its worse than season 1 but efap is hella overreacting
Yeah, i kinda dont even care to see how it ends now
Yup, don’t bother watching
Definitely didn’t ruin the show, unless you let it.
It’s just a big disappointment
First?
No
Arcane was ALWAYS nonsense. Idk why you people thought the original first season was well written when it objectively never was it was ONLY carried by it's spectacle. It's writing was always mid it's just finally gotten tot he point you guys can't ignore how sloppy it is.
"objectively" is not a magic word to validate your argument by itself; you might want to try pointing to actual examples next time
Jayce, Vi, Cait, Mel, Heimer, Ekko, and basically anyone outside of Singed, Jinx, and Silco are super one dimensional and extremely cliche. Jayce and Viktor especially were boiled down to boring characters compared to their LoL lore counterparts, heimer is just "magic bad", ekko is never really given a lot to do, Vi could be removed and it would have 0 effect on Jinx's development, Caitlyn literally exists to be the naive cop and thats about all. The divide between piltover and zaun just exist and is never explained so just don't think about it :D! The story is extremely cliche and I knew what was going to happen by the 3rd and 4th epsiode. Theres a few points.
So yes... objectively bad. Get fucked go attempt to be smug elsewhere
It was nonsense from the first episode.
Even from pre pre production.
But you could not see it. You've been so blinded by the hate of certain things, that you are tricked to love others for the sake of not being as the first ones. And you realize on day 2 that they are the same. In their essence.
How was it nonsense from ep1? The writing quality is drastically different between S1 and S2
How so
@@Gannoh Didn't talk about writing quality. Said it was in _essence_ nonsensical at it's core from the beginning.
Between the suject, the themes, the writers, the era when it's made, the ideology behind, the policy and editorial line of the network where it air and a dozen other factor, it was nonsensical, garbage and **sick** from day one.
I'm not gonna debate or try to explain any further. If you really want to understand it, you'll make it by yourself anyway.
What are you blabbing about? Arcane Season 1 is exceptional. Even with its queer representation, its occasional bits of plot armor, and its occasional indulgence (like including Imagine Dragons in the world), it accomplishes quite a bit in terms of its writing. Season 2 is what everyone expected Arcane to be the first time around: lazily written for the sake of fanservice and queer representation.
@@wilder11 What you and your boys saw and disliked in season 2 was what me and mine saw and predicted before season 1. What season 2 was in practice, season 1 was in essence.
And what you describe about season 2 is 10% of the issue and very much surface level problem. If you are too focus on this top of the iceberg stuff, you'll obvisouly be blind to the root of the issue and f-ing unable to see the essence of things from the get go.
"Turned into"? But it was ALWAYS nonsense!
It was very much not. Season one had issues, but season 2 has driven the quality straight off a cliff and into hell.
@chuckleshelicopterwigwamjo6305 S1 was like a 3/10, no big loss there
@@stbr68bait used to be believable
@thecaboosevarietychannel now that the glamour has worn off I'm confident more people will come around to the fact that Arcane was always shit, there's very little in that show that holds up under scrutiny.
@@stbr68 Can you give some examples?
What a garbage, slop ridden show
On the bright side, despite the compression Danmachi is going well enough. :) I can hate the studio execs for killing its window for broad appeal and mass success, but maybe thats the monkey's paw for it not being outright ruined?
What does Danmachi have to do with EFAP?
@@shadowpriest2574 Cause everything else that had good past seasons that came out this year with new seasons (that I saw this year) was crap.