So far back in Agathas past, she murdered people for her own gain. Then over timne, she murdered many more people. Then during the show she murders more people. Very morally grey, very complex.
It's kind of fascinating how these postmodern experiments in moral relativism only end up proving that no, there are things that are so plainly evil and bad. It's like they can't help but reveal the objective truth of good and evil.
I mean, grey is just a few shades from black. So I guess the writers are correct in that stretching logic to the point of breaking pov. Emphasis on the breaking part.
The reason neither Dr. Strange nor the Ancient One ever dealt with Agatha this whole time was because Agatha exudes an aura that makes people extremely stupid. Every time the Ancient One would go to take her out, she would become distracted by a nearby box of crayons and begin eating fhem, allowing Agatha to escape. Fun Fact: The Ancient One's favorite flavor was Chartreuse.
The entire show seems to take the position that witches are evil and killing them is of no moral consequence, then all the actors go on the press junket talking about how they identify with witches.
Which ruins a very old but good theme to witches that is you are not completely sure if it's right or wrong to damn woman to these deaths and even feel bad for them but agatha just threw that out the window
Falcon and Winter Soldier: A show made for black men that killed off a black character (Lemar) brutally while sympathizing with his killer and demonizing the guy who tried to avenge him. Agatha All Along: A show for women that killed off one woman character brutally (Sharon) for laughs while torturing another woman (Lilia) for eternity without holding the one who brought them misery accountable. Love the consistency.
so my dad was telling me that originally she was part of a house of iconic monsters, frankensteins monster, the werewolf, vampires, ghosts, and agatha the good witch. she was a rare occurrence but would show up to help a person in need before disappearing back into the house some place. and i thought “wow, imagine if theyd used that idea. the lose of vision had driven wanda insane so she captured that town and turned it into what we saw in wanda-vision and had even wiped her own memories so she could live happily with her fake family. and in this version agatha wasnt trying to steal her powers just to be more powerful, but had used her own magic to infiltrate the town to try to help wanda and save the people she had trapped.” if theyd used that kind of story then we would be rooting for agatha in wanda vision and in her own show where she would try to save the boy and the parasite that took over his body. just imagine if theyd actually hired people who liked marvel enough to know anything about the characters
It's kinda bizarre seeing people defending Agatha. Like, I get that she had her fair share of misfortunes, and that sucks and all, but in the end she was an evil person who did evil things on her own free will.
Also, a lot of the modern idea of the inquisition's actions are overblown and aren't historically accurate. They absolutely burned people, especially in Spain, and that's atrocious. But mostly they just went around investigating heresy and calling people to recant or be excommunicated.
The thing I find frustrating is that a good, heroic character will often get criticised for having weak motivations when said motivation is love for their family. But, when the character is a morally evil person like Wanda or Agatha they get a pass because they love their children. It's lame.
Wanda had no idea she had the Power of Chthon (aka Chaos Magic), given to her by the most powerful Elder God, the first sorcerer, and the greatest of all demons, at birth. In the Wundagore Temple, Chthon's head is very clearly depicted above Wanda's statue. In the Darkhold, Chthon states that he will forge the Scarlet Witch, i.e smash Wanda until she becomes his vessel. The Shark in the "Yo' Magic" ad is li8kely a sub-conscious representation of Lord Chthon. WandaVision makes it clear that it was Chthon named Wanda Scarlet Witch, and Chthon names things that he regards as his, because "a namer has mastery of the named."
Mauler: The Actress of Agatha said that the "Baby made from scratch without magic" means they were born of pure female without a man. Me: MCU is dead, I'm done. No Shenron can bring this franchise back.
*me looking at a group so sexist that they perceive even the most fundamental presence and natural cooperation of men to be a taint in and of itself act like such messaging is an empowering and equalizing thing* To get to larp and treated seriously that they are underdogs and victims in society dynamic, while clearly having so much political, social and financial hold over society and people minds to get this taken seriously at any level. Especially in a society that utilizes pressure to make shows of the banning and silencing of people who have such ideas from different angles. Is nothing more than the victory march of an a group that is the very thing - and always has been - the proposed thing it says it fight against. A consolidated power based on gender and its narrative over the system.
Cool, so Doctor Strange andvthe other Sorcerers have the ability to create children without women, just from "pure man", right? Oh, does it not work that way?
Agatha and Wanda are actually more evil than Thanos even though he made half of the universe disappear (indiscriminately). What Thanos did is inexcusable, but he did it because he thought he was saving the other half of the universe by doing it. He was wrong, but it was mostly a selfless act. Meanwhile Agatha and Wanda tortured and killed a lot of innocent people for purely selfish reasons, namely for getting power and to get their imaginary children back.
And even when Thanos decided to just wipe out all life in the universe near the end of Endgame, he was irredeemable by that point. It was a done deal. Wanda and Agatha, meanwhile, kept being treated by others that not only are they not beyond redemption, but that they DESERVE to have their happy endings. I'm sorry. But there are times where the ends don't justify the means. How many lives have these two women ruined in the name of their own selfishness?
The whole story with Wanda is that Chthon is corrupting her from birth by orchestrating tragedy in her life, but Michael Waldron and Sam Raimi, being talentless clowns, decided to turn Wanda into a cartoon character.
@@hariman7727 actually they're not, because no matter how to slice it, Wanda and Agatha's motivations are 100% unarguably selfish. The end goal is self gratification, and anybody who gets in the way of that, even with the most altruistic of reasons such as saving the lives of others, is destroyed without pause or pity, because all that matters is their own happiness Thanos had a very bad reason, but at least he had a reason and accepted his fate once it was done.
“CE and BCE are fucking cringe.” You might have your Reddit moments and Biden moments, Rags, but thanks for reminding me why we love you 30 seconds in.
true, normally im fine with stuff like that, but i remember someone talking about it and they were like "and what marks the beginning of the common era"
Ok, I'm glad the guys brought up how stupid it is that all the women attack Agatha with their magic, so she can do the big suck, but it's actually so much more contrived and stupid that this works every single time. Forget using weapons or physically assaulting her, for this plan to work flawlessly, the witches all need to attack Agatha with their magic, at the exact same time. If one of the witches attacks before the others, she can only suck one before the others realise what's going on, and she's screwed. If the witches don't fall for the bait, and just tell her to f off, she's screwed. If one of the witches uses magic to attack Agatha indirectly, such as throwing an object with telekinesis, she's screwed. If Agatha fails to kill all the witches, every single time, then her fake story will be exposed and she's screwed. If any witches find out about the story of The Witch's Road, and try to summon it in a coven without Agatha, the ruse will be exposed and she's screwed. Also, I think it's fair to assume that the reason Wanda was able to reverse the suck was because she's so much more powerful than Agatha, meaning that if any of the witches she tries this plan on are also stronger than her, she's screwed. This plan requires: that only witches who meet Agatha will try to summon The Road with her help, that all the witches Agatha meets all willing to go along with summoning The Road, that none of the other witches figure out Agatha is baiting them when she starts taunting them, that all the witches are psychotic enough to immediately respond to being insulted by using lethal magical force against Agatha, that all the witches use said lethal magical force directly on Agatha, that all the witches use the direct, lethal, magical, force on Agatha at the exact same time, and that Agatha is always powerful enough to overpower all the other witches in order to perform the simultaneous suck. The fact that this plan even worked once is already absurd. The fact that this plan worked enough times to sustain Agatha for centuries is beyond farcical.
@@VallornDeathblade Sounds like you'd be perfect for writing Agatha All Along season 2, none of these writers remember what happens between episodes (sometimes they forget stuff mid-episode)
I've actually seen someone say that if you don't like Agatha, you shouldn't like Joel either because they are both parents who went down a dark path, killing for survival.
Well, that certainly is something that a person has the right to say. Not saying that it’s correct or makes any sense, but they do have the right to say it.
I assume you mean Joel from Last of us. If that's the case, he went down a dark path after losing someone then he redeemed himself. Agatha is just a bitch.
A classic sign of serial killers is their MO. They have to kill in a specific way, otherwise they are not satisfied. For Agatha, it was the whole witches road spiel. She knew it wouldn't work, but it gave her the righteous indignation of having to deal with inferior witches, which made it totally ok for her to kill them. She's a psychopath. And just like Wanda, she will kill as many innocents as she thinks she needs to, with no remorse or second thought, to reach her absolutely selfish goals.
@tkopp10976 What's wrong with stating stone cold facts? You are aware of the corrupt media spewing lies about Amsterdam and now being exposed as Israeli puppets? I mean, Agatha is a fictional villain, whereas there are scumbags in the world who actually support Satanyahu. I think the latter being worshipped by people is far more disturbing than the former. Furthermore, the same people who defend Satanyahu also run Disney, which explains the moral relativism of their content. A reflection of the people who run Hollywood, who all come from the same grouping as Satanyahu. I think it's VERY relevant.
I never really thought about it, but how did she make the child "from scratch" where "she spoke no spell or incantation" then how does the whole "it is a woman thing, no men were involved" work? Did she Dr Frankenstein this from various parts and build it on a stormy night?
There seems to be this bizarre obsession in Hollywood at the moment with having children without men. I can only assume it's subconscious intrinsic yearning from the childless feminist writers bleeding into their horrible products.
@@bertimusprime7900 Knowing these writers, they'd make Satan some watered-down, misunderstood "morally grey" (Good Lord I hate that term) character (sludge person, identical to the last 50 of its kind).
Wasn't there a time where we pitied Agatha as a victim since what Wanda was doing (to her and everyone else) was so horrible? Agatha's rubberbanding finally kicked in, now she's *finally* an awful villain. ...What do you mean she's supposed to be sympathetic now?
So... this show is perfectly in line with the previous show, Wandavision, and is all about a very evil and bad woman doing evil and bad things, but the show try to pretend they are the good ones.
Wanda has chaos magic, gifted to her by the first sorcerer, Lord Chthon (who appears in one of the adverts in WandaVision, as a shark giving "Yo' Magic", and as the horned head above the Wanda statue, and as a cloaked statue resembling The Other). Chaos Magic is the strongest magic and enables the user to alter and transform matter, and to create life, it is fueled by will and emotion.
The writing of that flashback episode was like watching someone botch the recipe for toast. Not burn it, mind you: I mean fail to even achieve ‘bread + toaster.’ I’m bringing back the HACK, LAZY HACK, and the BATWOMAN WRITER for this one once I’m back at my computer. Except I might have to rebrand that third hypothetical person, because the AGATHA WRITER might actually be worse.
I still think about your "HACK, LAZY HACK, and BATWOMAN WRITER" comments on the Crisis on Infinite Earths EFAP videos. Legit one of the best-constructed comments I've seen. You should try writing reviews; I think you'd be great at it!
It's like watching someone pull out a butchers cleaver, use it to butter the bread BEFORE toasting it, and then proceed to stick the cleaver into the toaster.
is it just me or is it more offensive to pretend black people had no hardships or face prejudice during early America instead of actually portraying it?
Saw a girl post a bunch of memes that say stuff like " Agatha is for the girls that push people away because she's afraid to lose them" " Agatha is for the girls that have bad relationship with their moms" " Agatha is for the girls that care deeply for people but don't know how to show it" and on and on with shit like that, I wish I could remember more examples but they deleted the post after I commented about how horrible a person she is and that she's the definition of a toxic accountability skirting woman, and I expected to be dragged by all the girlies but once other women started chiming in agreeing with me the OP deleted the post
Rocket Raccoon exists for people who push others away because they're afraid of losing them because of their cracked upbringings And he's still a hero Aguytha is for the miserable single moms who feel like they deserve to talk shit and not face any consequences.
"Agatha All Along" could've been a show about her kid coming to understand his mother's evil actions and confronting her at the end. Kind of a "sins of our fathers" type of story
The worst part is that all of this could have made a good story. I wonder if there was a rewrite, where death gave Nicolas life in exchange for Agatha killing witches. Agatha then chooses that method for both efficiency and to try and get enough power to rival death (and thus, save her son), but ends up failing as death takes him exactly when she was supposed to. It could even explain why she's such a bad person in the modern day: forced to kill her own kind in an effort to save her child, all for naught, she's embittered by the experience and only seeks power because it's all she has left. THAT would be a true tragedy, but since nothing can have teeth, and neither Agatha nor Death can be acknowledged as iredeemable, we instead go for the toothless version.
If there was a deal with Death for Agatha to kill for her as payment for her son's life, the story would actually have a plot. This is very basic story writing stuff 😂 Death gets a vision of some magic user defeating her. So, she uses Agatha to kill as many magic users as possible in an effort to stop this from happening. However, Agatha plots to absorb the magic users powers overtime to one day defeat death and release herself from this contract. Making her the person in Death's vision... all along. There you go, an actual plot. It would have been interesting to see Agatha starting witch hunts like the Salem witch trials, too. All well. Another waste of time Marvel thing i wont watch
I like Fringys take on expectation of the MCU it’s pretty much the same as most game development studios at this point. Bethesda, BioWare, Ubisoft etc. it’s been 10 years since they delivered things resembling competence why would people think they’ll start now.
Wouldn't making a baby from scratch to be literal require magic? The gametes come prepackaged, you don't make them, basically combining store bought cake mix with water.
But the media literacy people told me she was a Goodman, totally justified in her actions because Wahman, you guys just don't understand the 4d writing! 😂
Okay, it's fair to say that a deal with the Devil, Mephisto, demon or a genie is a monkey's paw type of deal, but I don't think the same rule applies to Death. Maybe I should brush up on my mythology, but the deal with the Death is that there is no deal with the Death. Death is uncaring, takes no side, doesn't judge, takes no moral side. But if you manage to strike a deal with the Death (striking a deal with the Death is the most nonsensical part of the story) I don't think there's a trope or an expectation that there should be a twist to it. At worst, I think, Death should become your constant companion, looming in the dark, smiling at you, reminding you that the time you agreed to is slowly running out.
I mean what you described is literally a cost for the deal. You get more life, but it’s terrible because you’re constantly reminded it will end. Honestly I think your idea makes death a lot more malicious than say, requiring death to pay for continued life. The latter could be argued as uncaring bookkeeping, but the former is death actively tormenting someone.
Those people that said it was a tragic story about Agatha sacrificing her son for the Darkhold have probably also felt sorry for Thanos when he threw Gamora off the cliff for the soul stone.
3 shows about witches and all 3 made them as evil/inhumane as possible, great job disney Can't wait for marvel next movie to ignore everything again cause the writer want his own story as usual, I'm honestly surprised we didn't get an rage video for the first falcon show
I also love the Salem 7 being as incompetent as the knights of ren. Despite how their motive to taken down Agatha is actually in the right, hell her actions cost the people in her party more than the 7
20:02 Yeah, if youbdo it over centuries it is statistically pretty much impossible none of the witches would ever try something other than what she wants them to do😂
"Made baby by Scratch" - is actually an interesting line when you remember that in early American history "Mr. Scratch" was often a name used for the Devil in the 18th/19th Centuries. Like in The Devil vs Daniel Webster the devil goes by the name Mr. Scratch. "Old Nick" was another popular name for the Devil in the 19th Century
yeah, the crime of "witchcraft" as defined in that verse actually assumes the person committed murder. It's a thing that gets lost in translation, but the original word has a negative connotation because it assumed the person had used "magic" (usually actually poisons) to KILL. Oh hey.. Agatha does a lot of killing. Yep, stone her! Pretty sure she can't absorb rocks.
I like Neil Degrasse Tyson's take on it: he isn't a believer, but the people who made the modern calendar were monks who were, and erasing that aspect of the calendar THEY MADE is disrespectful, so he doesn't do it.
@@mikeljenks AD is After Death which doesn't even stick because the dude came back 3 days later like nothing happened And he still hasn't come back Good job humanity, you continue to never learn even when God gives you every hint possible, JUST like aguytha. 😂
Yes! Thanks for making this highlight Wolf! That was my favourite part of that EFAP. I was laughing hysterically as they were describing her backstory.
That's kind of the heart of problem isn't it? These writers want to write a show for an audience that is not the brand's audience. And then they wonder why things don't work out.
Gay Twitter doesn't even watch this cringe that's why it always bombs They just use it as a sort of "gotcha" against normal people with functioning iqs 🤔
I had assumed Agatha and Death made a deal that’s like ‘life for life death for death’ where Nicholas lives another day if Agatha kills a witch, basically feeding Rio. Like Rio MADE Agatha a serial killer in order to spare her son, until she couldn’t anymore, Nicholas dies anyway, and Agatha loses it because it was all for NOTHING in her mind, and goes full tilt into evil and nihilist. I’ve seen that done better in other stories like manga/anime, but THAT WASN’T EVEN HER INTENTION!!?! Agatha just getting stronger so she can fight Rio when she comes for her son is even more ridiculous. If there was an idea after that Agatha was so PISSED at Rio that she basically wanted to get Thanos-strong with the SOLE SECRET PURPOSE of bitterly destroying her Ex who took her son away. But…. Nope, women can’t think about anything but their immediate desires I guess?!?
I just want to say that witches are the lamest spell caters in fiction. No sacrifices necessary, no years of study, no risks making pacts with being more powerful than you: it’s just some vague, lame and gay emotion-based spells with no rules or drawbacks. Ray palpatine is a witch, and you can’t convince me otherwise.
I'm glad we finally got an unrepentantly evil character, even her own 'self sacrifice' play is made with the knowledge that since Death has no claim on her, she'll be hanging around as a ghost. She's a thouraghly vile and manipulative person but because she's such a manipulator, people who are primed to see evil and go "they must just be in need of help" are taken in by her act, this includes a distressing number of people in the audience for this show.
Between this show and the Watchmen show, we have TWO separate superhero series where cosmic beings of unfathomable power fall inexplicably in love with unremarkable and unlikeable middle-aged women. So much so that they end up transgressing their infinite natures. Nickels, happened twice, etc.
"Scratch", "Ol' Scratch", and "Nick Scratch" are all old terms used for the devil. My wife's grandmother used to tell her if she was bad "Ol' Scratch" would come and get her.
Even if Jen survives, MRS. HART wasn’t a witch and she wouldn’t have had magic to attack/kill/get sucked by Agatha. She was just a bystander that Tommy got killed with his BS
And as to that tweet that said “all Wanda and Agatha wanted was to be with their kids”: if you’re willing to kill people for your kids, you likely don’t deserve to be, nor should you have kids. 😅
@@nont18411 even joel never did that lol Also wanda selfishly just wanted to kill another version of herself to take that version's actual somehow real kids, something else joel didn't ever come close to mimicking at all Joel is better than both these twats 😂
If I had a nickel for every time a TV show in 2024 had lesbian witches give birth to children without men as a plot point, I'd have 10¢. That isn't a lot of money, but it's weird that it happened twice.
I still hate what they did to Jennifer Kale, making this cool Atlantean sorceress and friend of Man-Thing into some boring bald headed chemist witch with edible candles, talk about mega lame. All for some boring race swap.
A slight annoyance, Agatha is shown on screen to drain witches once they attack her but with all the off screen kills there's not one moment those witches would have any reason to attack her. So can she drain people at will or does she need to be attacked
I think the idea is that she's somehow goading them all into attacking her.... with magic... and not with.. knives or pitchforks, or whatever. Very contrived and cringe. But also it's using the "good wholesome witches" idea... and assuming that ALL of them have offensive spells as well. So double cringe.
If they'd made it a curse with rules like 'for every witch you suck dry, the gets another month' and then it's not so weird that Agatha spends what little time she has with her son using him to suck witches for power.
I’ve not watched the show, beyond a few clips, so there might be a good reason I’m missing. But why not have death demand lives in return for not taking the kid? So a sympathetic but still immoral reason to kill. Death can still love her that’s why the deal was offered. And have her focus on witches because she wants power to break the deal.
12:40 It's not clear, but the implication is very heavily implied. The show later gives the heavy implication that the reason she went around doing this was to please Death and extend her son's time to live. It's a very stupid reference to the relationship Thanos has with Death in the comics. The whole thing about killing entire worlds to please his lover, Death herself. The one day or the one time she stops killing witches for Death is the very moment Death chose to show up and take her son from her. That's the moment I think solidifies my theory
Wait ... if she 'sold her son' to get the darkhold ... and this was ~200 odd years ago, where did the Darkhold come from ? Oh Right. Disney. The "explanation" of Nicholas her son is worse for the story. Because it introduces Agatha the pattern Serial Killer, not Agatha the Witch. The implication she's a vampire able to compel people to attack her with magic, is ... deranged. The story only works because Billy / Wiccan is likely able to use Reality warping magic. Which is ... contrived, but understandable, i.e. Legion has a similar magic system of mind-reality warping. The Witches road ritual seems like an ego / serial killer reasoning, i.e. Agatha needs to think this is a valid system of isolating women from their friends, and that the coven is 'real' so she can live with the consequential deaths. It needs to be explained, because of the sheer incredulity of her vampirism. Witnesses would be inevitable unless these women weren't missed by their community. People would find out. Very quickly, these covens would find it suspicious that Agatha is a sole survivor. Multiple times. And, that more powerful witches went missing going against her. Women being stupid and unorganised, sure. But the children, husbands, and family would investigate. You'd have to space out these crimes decades apart once they could travel outside of their towns, the railway and news agencies would stop these types of spree killing of groups of young women killed in a forest. Now, Agatha could have a cover / career as a minstrel, but that's even worse. Travelling minstrels would be suspected of being outsiders in a community. She'd need to find willing people to hypnotise or blame for her actions, scapegoats, drownings, et al.
Well that IS the logic behind why the "Salem Seven" exist in this show. they're supposedly a group of magic users who are children of the witches she'd murdered. I say supposedly because it's plausible they're just a figment of Billy imagination. I think Agatha mentioned they exist, and Billy subconsciously willed a knock off version into existence. It's notable that when they first appear they seem to duplicate. It's not actually 7 individuals at first... then it is. Like Billy didn't imagine there to be seven, then Agatha reminded him that there is supposed to be seven and he fixed that. But the idea does exist that there are withes who are trying to hunt down and kill Agatha. But also seems to use the idea that most of those killed... just didn't get connected to her.
Go figure they think we are going to care about Agatha being evil like Scarlet Witch, for her fake child/children sake. They skipped the part where they show the witch coven are praying on innocence, so Agatha & Son murder spree isn't so psychopathic.
You know, one of these days, the rat will find that villain that they can transform into a sympathetic character and make it stick. I think they just keep choosing the wrong people, play a serial killer witch or a crazy lady who wants to turn puppies into a coat.
If they made Agatha more like Blackbeard from One Piece, this show would have been cooler. A witch that was fucked over by the strongest Witch and is now creating a team of Witches with the sole purpose of countering all of Wanda's BS on top of stealing the power of other sorcerers and whatnot would have been cool. Also, I just want to see Kathryn Han try out the Blackbeard laugh. I think it'd be funny.
@@houghtonjojo8944 I doubt that was the only reason especially since Jesus himself was born around 6-4 BC, which you could argue defeats the point of BC. However, the years themselves don’t change and pretty much everyone already knows they’re the same anyway.
@@pastorofmuppets4552sounds like you’re defending CE/ BCE. And yes it is just because the religious aspect. But morons don’t get that the reason we keep it, is out of respect to the Roman’s who designed our calendar and had the records to keep time. CE/BCE is cringe
So far back in Agathas past, she murdered people for her own gain. Then over timne, she murdered many more people. Then during the show she murders more people. Very morally grey, very complex.
Dio Brando moment.
The writers forgot to make Agatha an actual villain in Wandavision, so they had to make sure we all knew here?
It's kind of fascinating how these postmodern experiments in moral relativism only end up proving that no, there are things that are so plainly evil and bad. It's like they can't help but reveal the objective truth of good and evil.
I'm excited (dreading) the inevitable Midnight Suns show.
I mean, grey is just a few shades from black. So I guess the writers are correct in that stretching logic to the point of breaking pov. Emphasis on the breaking part.
The reason neither Dr. Strange nor the Ancient One ever dealt with Agatha this whole time was because Agatha exudes an aura that makes people extremely stupid. Every time the Ancient One would go to take her out, she would become distracted by a nearby box of crayons and begin eating fhem, allowing Agatha to escape.
Fun Fact: The Ancient One's favorite flavor was Chartreuse.
Agatha showed us that it was indeed morally correct to execute witches.
Thanks, Disney!
The entire show seems to take the position that witches are evil and killing them is of no moral consequence, then all the actors go on the press junket talking about how they identify with witches.
@Vaelosh466 yeah go figure they equate themselves as evil people
Which ruins a very old but good theme to witches that is you are not completely sure if it's right or wrong to damn woman to these deaths and even feel bad for them but agatha just threw that out the window
If only Belos were here.
Exodus 22:18
Falcon and Winter Soldier: A show made for black men that killed off a black character (Lemar) brutally while sympathizing with his killer and demonizing the guy who tried to avenge him.
Agatha All Along: A show for women that killed off one woman character brutally (Sharon) for laughs while torturing another woman (Lilia) for eternity without holding the one who brought them misery accountable.
Love the consistency.
Hmmmm
It's almost like they're inadvertently saying something about these 2 groups 💀
so my dad was telling me that originally she was part of a house of iconic monsters, frankensteins monster, the werewolf, vampires, ghosts, and agatha the good witch.
she was a rare occurrence but would show up to help a person in need before disappearing back into the house some place.
and i thought “wow, imagine if theyd used that idea. the lose of vision had driven wanda insane so she captured that town and turned it into what we saw in wanda-vision and had even wiped her own memories so she could live happily with her fake family. and in this version agatha wasnt trying to steal her powers just to be more powerful, but had used her own magic to infiltrate the town to try to help wanda and save the people she had trapped.”
if theyd used that kind of story then we would be rooting for agatha in wanda vision and in her own show where she would try to save the boy and the parasite that took over his body.
just imagine if theyd actually hired people who liked marvel enough to know anything about the characters
In the comics she also was a mentor to a much saner Wanda, and even babysat the Fantastic Four's kids.
@@Sousabird yeah this show RUINED the Agatha Harkness character.
My takeaway from this is that Death has terrible taste in women.
Agatha has killed so many. Basically, best recruiter for Death
It's kinda bizarre seeing people defending Agatha.
Like, I get that she had her fair share of misfortunes, and that sucks and all, but in the end she was an evil person who did evil things on her own free will.
"Those evil Christians. Why would they ever want to kill us?" - Witch
*Looks around nervous* "Uh, I don't know?" - Agatha
Heh, well the original Biblical definition only counted someone as a witch if they'd killed someone. Yeah, translations kinda messed that up.
Also, a lot of the modern idea of the inquisition's actions are overblown and aren't historically accurate. They absolutely burned people, especially in Spain, and that's atrocious. But mostly they just went around investigating heresy and calling people to recant or be excommunicated.
One of the villains in The Bible (based) is named The Wh0r3 of Babylon
The thing I find frustrating is that a good, heroic character will often get criticised for having weak motivations when said motivation is love for their family. But, when the character is a morally evil person like Wanda or Agatha they get a pass because they love their children. It's lame.
Wanda had no idea she had the Power of Chthon (aka Chaos Magic), given to her by the most powerful Elder God, the first sorcerer, and the greatest of all demons, at birth. In the Wundagore Temple, Chthon's head is very clearly depicted above Wanda's statue. In the Darkhold, Chthon states that he will forge the Scarlet Witch, i.e smash Wanda until she becomes his vessel. The Shark in the "Yo' Magic" ad is li8kely a sub-conscious representation of Lord Chthon.
WandaVision makes it clear that it was Chthon named Wanda Scarlet Witch, and Chthon names things that he regards as his, because "a namer has mastery of the named."
Agatha has killed hundreds of witches over centuries, but there are only 7 descendants of those murder victims chasing her?
The smart ones either never found out or decided to ignore the murder witch and live their best lives.
Mauler: The Actress of Agatha said that the "Baby made from scratch without magic" means they were born of pure female without a man.
Me: MCU is dead, I'm done. No Shenron can bring this franchise back.
*me looking at a group so sexist that they perceive even the most fundamental presence and natural cooperation of men to be a taint in and of itself act like such messaging is an empowering and equalizing thing*
To get to larp and treated seriously that they are underdogs and victims in society dynamic, while clearly having so much political, social and financial hold over society and people minds to get this taken seriously at any level. Especially in a society that utilizes pressure to make shows of the banning and silencing of people who have such ideas from different angles. Is nothing more than the victory march of an a group that is the very thing - and always has been - the proposed thing it says it fight against. A consolidated power based on gender and its narrative over the system.
*pulls out a chain with keys in shapes of Tobey Maguire, Hugh Jackman and RDJ*
Come on, man. Don't say it like that.
*jangles the keys*
I REALLY hope she's trolling. Because otherwise, how do you not question the "meaning" being the exact opposite of what your character is saying?
Cool, so Doctor Strange andvthe other Sorcerers have the ability to create children without women, just from "pure man", right?
Oh, does it not work that way?
What the death counter right now? Loki, wv, eternals, antman3, marvels, MoM etc. yeah i dont think shenron is doing this one
Agatha and Wanda are actually more evil than Thanos even though he made half of the universe disappear (indiscriminately). What Thanos did is inexcusable, but he did it because he thought he was saving the other half of the universe by doing it. He was wrong, but it was mostly a selfless act.
Meanwhile Agatha and Wanda tortured and killed a lot of innocent people for purely selfish reasons, namely for getting power and to get their imaginary children back.
And even when Thanos decided to just wipe out all life in the universe near the end of Endgame, he was irredeemable by that point. It was a done deal. Wanda and Agatha, meanwhile, kept being treated by others that not only are they not beyond redemption, but that they DESERVE to have their happy endings.
I'm sorry. But there are times where the ends don't justify the means. How many lives have these two women ruined in the name of their own selfishness?
They're all equally evil. Good intentions don't cancel out evil methods and evil results.
buT thEy WoMeN sO yoU dOnT uNdErStAnD tHeIr StRuGgLe
The whole story with Wanda is that Chthon is corrupting her from birth by orchestrating tragedy in her life, but Michael Waldron and Sam Raimi, being talentless clowns, decided to turn Wanda into a cartoon character.
@@hariman7727 actually they're not, because no matter how to slice it, Wanda and Agatha's motivations are 100% unarguably selfish. The end goal is self gratification, and anybody who gets in the way of that, even with the most altruistic of reasons such as saving the lives of others, is destroyed without pause or pity, because all that matters is their own happiness
Thanos had a very bad reason, but at least he had a reason and accepted his fate once it was done.
“CE and BCE are fucking cringe.”
You might have your Reddit moments and Biden moments, Rags, but thanks for reminding me why we love you 30 seconds in.
true, normally im fine with stuff like that, but i remember someone talking about it and they were like "and what marks the beginning of the common era"
@@---bs9bithe atheist god Alan was born
@@---bs9bi I mean you can instantly destroy that phrasing by asking them "Common era since what?"
100%
@@chaoticgoodcreations947 The calendar was made by Julius Caesar and perfected by the fucking Catholic Church, might as well give Jesus his due.
Ok, I'm glad the guys brought up how stupid it is that all the women attack Agatha with their magic, so she can do the big suck, but it's actually so much more contrived and stupid that this works every single time.
Forget using weapons or physically assaulting her, for this plan to work flawlessly, the witches all need to attack Agatha with their magic, at the exact same time. If one of the witches attacks before the others, she can only suck one before the others realise what's going on, and she's screwed. If the witches don't fall for the bait, and just tell her to f off, she's screwed. If one of the witches uses magic to attack Agatha indirectly, such as throwing an object with telekinesis, she's screwed. If Agatha fails to kill all the witches, every single time, then her fake story will be exposed and she's screwed. If any witches find out about the story of The Witch's Road, and try to summon it in a coven without Agatha, the ruse will be exposed and she's screwed. Also, I think it's fair to assume that the reason Wanda was able to reverse the suck was because she's so much more powerful than Agatha, meaning that if any of the witches she tries this plan on are also stronger than her, she's screwed.
This plan requires: that only witches who meet Agatha will try to summon The Road with her help, that all the witches Agatha meets all willing to go along with summoning The Road, that none of the other witches figure out Agatha is baiting them when she starts taunting them, that all the witches are psychotic enough to immediately respond to being insulted by using lethal magical force against Agatha, that all the witches use said lethal magical force directly on Agatha, that all the witches use the direct, lethal, magical, force on Agatha at the exact same time, and that Agatha is always powerful enough to overpower all the other witches in order to perform the simultaneous suck.
The fact that this plan even worked once is already absurd. The fact that this plan worked enough times to sustain Agatha for centuries is beyond farcical.
Episode 3: "She gave up her child for the magic book!"
Final episode: "The what? What does a book have to do with anything?"
I completely forgot about that dropped thread, thank you for reminding me.
@@VallornDeathblade Sounds like you'd be perfect for writing Agatha All Along season 2, none of these writers remember what happens between episodes (sometimes they forget stuff mid-episode)
I've actually seen someone say that if you don't like Agatha, you shouldn't like Joel either because they are both parents who went down a dark path, killing for survival.
Except she has no reason to do what she did her child died and she killed so many witches that she lives more than a human should
I don't listen to stupid evil people.
Well, that certainly is something that a person has the right to say.
Not saying that it’s correct or makes any sense, but they do have the right to say it.
I assume you mean Joel from Last of us. If that's the case, he went down a dark path after losing someone then he redeemed himself. Agatha is just a bitch.
@@ALDO_GOODENS that is the bad thing about free will doesn't stop people from being stupid
A classic sign of serial killers is their MO. They have to kill in a specific way, otherwise they are not satisfied. For Agatha, it was the whole witches road spiel. She knew it wouldn't work, but it gave her the righteous indignation of having to deal with inferior witches, which made it totally ok for her to kill them. She's a psychopath.
And just like Wanda, she will kill as many innocents as she thinks she needs to, with no remorse or second thought, to reach her absolutely selfish goals.
Yup. Essentially evil behavior.
A bit like Benjamin Satanyahu.
@@garywintle8023 We're just talking about shitty media here, the politics whining is somewhere else
@tkopp10976 What's wrong with stating stone cold facts? You are aware of the corrupt media spewing lies about Amsterdam and now being exposed as Israeli puppets?
I mean, Agatha is a fictional villain, whereas there are scumbags in the world who actually support Satanyahu.
I think the latter being worshipped by people is far more disturbing than the former.
Furthermore, the same people who defend Satanyahu also run Disney, which explains the moral relativism of their content.
A reflection of the people who run Hollywood, who all come from the same grouping as Satanyahu.
I think it's VERY relevant.
@@garywintle8023 based
I never really thought about it, but how did she make the child "from scratch" where "she spoke no spell or incantation" then how does the whole "it is a woman thing, no men were involved" work? Did she Dr Frankenstein this from various parts and build it on a stormy night?
even if you go with the whole lesbian lizard cloning route you get a y chromosome from a man if there was no man it would be a girl
Some have said she meant old scratch, as in Satan. The biggest problem with that theory is thinking that the writers have any ability for subtlety.
There seems to be this bizarre obsession in Hollywood at the moment with having children without men.
I can only assume it's subconscious intrinsic yearning from the childless feminist writers bleeding into their horrible products.
don't give them ideas
@@bertimusprime7900 Knowing these writers, they'd make Satan some watered-down, misunderstood "morally grey" (Good Lord I hate that term) character (sludge person, identical to the last 50 of its kind).
If you look closely to your left, you might catch a brief glimpse of Mr. Shart.
Wasn't there a time where we pitied Agatha as a victim since what Wanda was doing (to her and everyone else) was so horrible? Agatha's rubberbanding finally kicked in, now she's *finally* an awful villain.
...What do you mean she's supposed to be sympathetic now?
They wanted to create sympathetic villains like Arcane but they don’t have the same levels of skills and care.
Modern Disney!
So... this show is perfectly in line with the previous show, Wandavision, and is all about a very evil and bad woman doing evil and bad things, but the show try to pretend they are the good ones.
Wanda has chaos magic, gifted to her by the first sorcerer, Lord Chthon (who appears in one of the adverts in WandaVision, as a shark giving "Yo' Magic", and as the horned head above the Wanda statue, and as a cloaked statue resembling The Other). Chaos Magic is the strongest magic and enables the user to alter and transform matter, and to create life, it is fueled by will and emotion.
"All they want to do is live with their kids in peace!" Tell that to reed richards wife and kids while holding his spaghetti remains
Tell that to Reed's spaghettified neck
Between Acolyte and Agatha there's a lot of immaculate conception in modern writings. Makes you wonder about all the hate for Christianity.
How? We are also likely to see White Vision create living robots using chaos magic and the mind stone remnants, in his upcoming show.
They're envious of Jesus and of God. That still counts as hate.
The writing of that flashback episode was like watching someone botch the recipe for toast. Not burn it, mind you: I mean fail to even achieve ‘bread + toaster.’
I’m bringing back the HACK, LAZY HACK, and the BATWOMAN WRITER for this one once I’m back at my computer. Except I might have to rebrand that third hypothetical person, because the AGATHA WRITER might actually be worse.
That's a fantastic simile to describe incompetence. I love it 🍞
I still think about your "HACK, LAZY HACK, and BATWOMAN WRITER" comments on the Crisis on Infinite Earths EFAP videos. Legit one of the best-constructed comments I've seen. You should try writing reviews; I think you'd be great at it!
It's like watching someone pull out a butchers cleaver, use it to butter the bread BEFORE toasting it, and then proceed to stick the cleaver into the toaster.
is it just me or is it more offensive to pretend black people had no hardships or face prejudice during early America instead of actually portraying it?
Its a form of historical whitewashing ironically.
Ironic that disney were the ones to do this but I guess when it's a white girl it's aight
That's silly. Death is already in love with Deadpool!
And Death meets Deadpool many many times, because of that whole immortality thing.
it feels like the show forgot to mention that death wanted souls in return for the life of her son. BOOM there you have motive you can understand.
That would have at least been something. Except she keeps killing for centuries after her son's death.
5:29 "WE DON'T EVEN GET CREDIT FOR THE EASY PART?!"
Oh Rags. That's why we love you. For these hilarious but on the nose truths😂🤣😂🤣
Idk what’s scarier that Theo bothered watching Agatha or that Mauler found out and got him to cover it
Poor Theo
Gotta love the m-she-u doesnt use lady death for Thanos or Deadpool but agitha, cause ofc death is gay now, someone play the south park clip.
"MAKE IT LAME AND GAY"
A villain from a previous show turned out to be a horrible person!?! WELL I NEVER! 😮
And of course miserable single mothers relate to her
Saw a girl post a bunch of memes that say stuff like " Agatha is for the girls that push people away because she's afraid to lose them" " Agatha is for the girls that have bad relationship with their moms" " Agatha is for the girls that care deeply for people but don't know how to show it" and on and on with shit like that, I wish I could remember more examples but they deleted the post after I commented about how horrible a person she is and that she's the definition of a toxic accountability skirting woman, and I expected to be dragged by all the girlies but once other women started chiming in agreeing with me the OP deleted the post
Rocket Raccoon exists for people who push others away because they're afraid of losing them because of their cracked upbringings
And he's still a hero
Aguytha is for the miserable single moms who feel like they deserve to talk shit and not face any consequences.
"Agatha All Along" could've been a show about her kid coming to understand his mother's evil actions and confronting her at the end. Kind of a "sins of our fathers" type of story
It was agony all along.
The worst part is that all of this could have made a good story. I wonder if there was a rewrite, where death gave Nicolas life in exchange for Agatha killing witches. Agatha then chooses that method for both efficiency and to try and get enough power to rival death (and thus, save her son), but ends up failing as death takes him exactly when she was supposed to. It could even explain why she's such a bad person in the modern day: forced to kill her own kind in an effort to save her child, all for naught, she's embittered by the experience and only seeks power because it's all she has left. THAT would be a true tragedy, but since nothing can have teeth, and neither Agatha nor Death can be acknowledged as iredeemable, we instead go for the toothless version.
If there was a deal with Death for Agatha to kill for her as payment for her son's life, the story would actually have a plot. This is very basic story writing stuff 😂
Death gets a vision of some magic user defeating her. So, she uses Agatha to kill as many magic users as possible in an effort to stop this from happening. However, Agatha plots to absorb the magic users powers overtime to one day defeat death and release herself from this contract. Making her the person in Death's vision... all along. There you go, an actual plot. It would have been interesting to see Agatha starting witch hunts like the Salem witch trials, too. All well. Another waste of time Marvel thing i wont watch
Can't spell Marvel without an L
I like Fringys take on expectation of the MCU it’s pretty much the same as most game development studios at this point. Bethesda, BioWare, Ubisoft etc. it’s been 10 years since they delivered things resembling competence why would people think they’ll start now.
I like how "I made this baby from scratch" is meant to be (and somehow IS being) interpreted the literal opposite of what that means.
Wouldn't making a baby from scratch to be literal require magic? The gametes come prepackaged, you don't make them, basically combining store bought cake mix with water.
@@tsusmildrides4937 ask God 😅
"I made this immaculate conception without spell or magic."
-Agatha
She must worship Je-
Nvm the Lord doesn't forgive mass murdering child abusers 😂🤷🏻♂️
But the media literacy people told me she was a Goodman, totally justified in her actions because Wahman, you guys just don't understand the 4d writing! 😂
Okay, it's fair to say that a deal with the Devil, Mephisto, demon or a genie is a monkey's paw type of deal, but I don't think the same rule applies to Death. Maybe I should brush up on my mythology, but the deal with the Death is that there is no deal with the Death. Death is uncaring, takes no side, doesn't judge, takes no moral side. But if you manage to strike a deal with the Death (striking a deal with the Death is the most nonsensical part of the story) I don't think there's a trope or an expectation that there should be a twist to it. At worst, I think, Death should become your constant companion, looming in the dark, smiling at you, reminding you that the time you agreed to is slowly running out.
I mean what you described is literally a cost for the deal. You get more life, but it’s terrible because you’re constantly reminded it will end.
Honestly I think your idea makes death a lot more malicious than say, requiring death to pay for continued life. The latter could be argued as uncaring bookkeeping, but the former is death actively tormenting someone.
@Marines_Memelevolent That's why I see it as "at worst". But I don't see it as monkey's paw.
She got assaulted by Mephisto LOL
That's the stick up her rear 😂
So, instead of comics accurate Thanos, we get Death acting like Thanos did for Death but over Agatha.
Those people that said it was a tragic story about Agatha sacrificing her son for the Darkhold have probably also felt sorry for Thanos when he threw Gamora off the cliff for the soul stone.
At the very least Thanos did it for what he believed to be a noble reason, while Agatha did it only for power.
3 shows about witches and all 3 made them as evil/inhumane as possible, great job disney
Can't wait for marvel next movie to ignore everything again cause the writer want his own story as usual, I'm honestly surprised we didn't get an rage video for the first falcon show
I also love the Salem 7 being as incompetent as the knights of ren. Despite how their motive to taken down Agatha is actually in the right, hell her actions cost the people in her party more than the 7
There's a several hour long masterpiece Efap video about Token and the Winter Soydier.
last time i was this early, i was still setting up my sous vide in my tub to brew potions...
20:02 Yeah, if youbdo it over centuries it is statistically pretty much impossible none of the witches would ever try something other than what she wants them to do😂
"Made baby by Scratch" - is actually an interesting line when you remember that in early American history "Mr. Scratch" was often a name used for the Devil in the 18th/19th Centuries.
Like in The Devil vs Daniel Webster the devil goes by the name Mr. Scratch. "Old Nick" was another popular name for the Devil in the 19th Century
Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live
yeah, the crime of "witchcraft" as defined in that verse actually assumes the person committed murder. It's a thing that gets lost in translation, but the original word has a negative connotation because it assumed the person had used "magic" (usually actually poisons) to KILL. Oh hey.. Agatha does a lot of killing. Yep, stone her! Pretty sure she can't absorb rocks.
CE and BCE are bloody cringe, STOP USING THEM!
Alright mister word police
I like Neil Degrasse Tyson's take on it: he isn't a believer, but the people who made the modern calendar were monks who were, and erasing that aspect of the calendar THEY MADE is disrespectful, so he doesn't do it.
BC or AD all night, all day
@@gs4011NGT is a cringe leftist loser
@@kirbycooper9496
No bud, the word police changed them to BCE and CE.
Helluva Boss & Hazbin Hotel in a Nutshell: Horrible Characters = Good Writing
And don't forget that they are misunderstood because of daddy issues and/or toxic relationships
And don't forgive they worship evil and hate anything good.
C.E. is cringe
They really hate when you point out that it still measures time from Jesus no matter if you say AD or CE.
@@mikeljenks And it's likely not even an accurate calculation of the birth of Jesus.
@@mikeljenks AD is After Death which doesn't even stick because the dude came back 3 days later like nothing happened
And he still hasn't come back
Good job humanity, you continue to never learn even when God gives you every hint possible, JUST like aguytha. 😂
@ AD is Ano Domini meaning in the year of our lord
@@mikeljenks ? But I thought BC = Before Christ (His birth) and AD = After "Death"
Maybe not anymore ig.......?
Yes! Thanks for making this highlight Wolf! That was my favourite part of that EFAP. I was laughing hysterically as they were describing her backstory.
Echo, Madame Webb, and Now Agatha all along that holds the record for the most cringe worth pregnancy scenes, not sure why this is a trend lately…
You see, Rags' mistake was thinking that impregnating someone is the easy part when it's actually dying that is the easy part.
To be fair to the show, it really connected with its audience. Gay Twitter loves it. Marvel fans not so much.
That's kind of the heart of problem isn't it? These writers want to write a show for an audience that is not the brand's audience. And then they wonder why things don't work out.
Gay Twitter doesn't even watch this cringe that's why it always bombs
They just use it as a sort of "gotcha" against normal people with functioning iqs 🤔
I had assumed Agatha and Death made a deal that’s like ‘life for life death for death’ where Nicholas lives another day if Agatha kills a witch, basically feeding Rio. Like Rio MADE Agatha a serial killer in order to spare her son, until she couldn’t anymore, Nicholas dies anyway, and Agatha loses it because it was all for NOTHING in her mind, and goes full tilt into evil and nihilist. I’ve seen that done better in other stories like manga/anime, but THAT WASN’T EVEN HER INTENTION!!?!
Agatha just getting stronger so she can fight Rio when she comes for her son is even more ridiculous. If there was an idea after that Agatha was so PISSED at Rio that she basically wanted to get Thanos-strong with the SOLE SECRET PURPOSE of bitterly destroying her Ex who took her son away.
But…. Nope, women can’t think about anything but their immediate desires I guess?!?
I just want to say that witches are the lamest spell caters in fiction.
No sacrifices necessary, no years of study, no risks making pacts with being more powerful than you: it’s just some vague, lame and gay emotion-based spells with no rules or drawbacks.
Ray palpatine is a witch, and you can’t convince me otherwise.
most of the ones we see here are barely even spell casters too, very little power. So there's that downside at least.
17:15 no survivors? Where do the stories come from, I wonder. -Captain Rags Sparrow
I'm glad we finally got an unrepentantly evil character, even her own 'self sacrifice' play is made with the knowledge that since Death has no claim on her, she'll be hanging around as a ghost. She's a thouraghly vile and manipulative person but because she's such a manipulator, people who are primed to see evil and go "they must just be in need of help" are taken in by her act, this includes a distressing number of people in the audience for this show.
Between this show and the Watchmen show, we have TWO separate superhero series where cosmic beings of unfathomable power fall inexplicably in love with unremarkable and unlikeable middle-aged women. So much so that they end up transgressing their infinite natures.
Nickels, happened twice, etc.
They love pos middle aged women who deserve 👌🏻
I'm pretty sure "Scratch" like Mr Scratch, is a byname of the Devil.
Though I guess they are just going to do something different.
"Scratch", "Ol' Scratch", and "Nick Scratch" are all old terms used for the devil.
My wife's grandmother used to tell her if she was bad "Ol' Scratch" would come and get her.
What a lame name 😂
Fitting for a lame ass mf like satan 🤣
And even though she murders everyone, Reed and Sue Richards ask her to babysit little Franklin.
Garbage show
So in this show, death is ghey
Well, that way she won't accidentally create life, which I guess would be embarrassing from a professional standpoint.
@@coyoteone6197 lol, you have a point. which this show clearly lacks
Death from Puss in Boots>>>>>>>>>
Even if Jen survives, MRS. HART wasn’t a witch and she wouldn’t have had magic to attack/kill/get sucked by Agatha. She was just a bystander that Tommy got killed with his BS
And as to that tweet that said “all Wanda and Agatha wanted was to be with their kids”: if you’re willing to kill people for your kids, you likely don’t deserve to be, nor should you have kids. 😅
I think that depends on the circumstances.
Not this circumstance tho.
And Agatha gave up her son anyway for power
@@nont18411 even joel never did that lol
Also wanda selfishly just wanted to kill another version of herself to take that version's actual somehow real kids, something else joel didn't ever come close to mimicking at all
Joel is better than both these twats 😂
If I had a nickel for every time a TV show in 2024 had lesbian witches give birth to children without men as a plot point, I'd have 10¢. That isn't a lot of money, but it's weird that it happened twice.
I still hate what they did to Jennifer Kale, making this cool Atlantean sorceress and friend of Man-Thing into some boring bald headed chemist witch with edible candles, talk about mega lame. All for some boring race swap.
Marvel hates their own supporters because they're stupid KEK
A slight annoyance, Agatha is shown on screen to drain witches once they attack her but with all the off screen kills there's not one moment those witches would have any reason to attack her. So can she drain people at will or does she need to be attacked
I think the idea is that she's somehow goading them all into attacking her.... with magic... and not with.. knives or pitchforks, or whatever. Very contrived and cringe. But also it's using the "good wholesome witches" idea... and assuming that ALL of them have offensive spells as well. So double cringe.
If they'd made it a curse with rules like 'for every witch you suck dry, the gets another month' and then it's not so weird that Agatha spends what little time she has with her son using him to suck witches for power.
Uh oh, I have forseen completely unfounded allegations the future of EFAP.
No particular reason, of course, just this Nostradamus-esque *feeling.*
I’ve not watched the show, beyond a few clips, so there might be a good reason I’m missing. But why not have death demand lives in return for not taking the kid? So a sympathetic but still immoral reason to kill. Death can still love her that’s why the deal was offered. And have her focus on witches because she wants power to break the deal.
I love the implications that the witch trails were probably targeting Agatha as she just killed all the witches
Thanos was right.
Always was
Marvel has the worst villains.
Nutsa's giggles are in the house. Every Frame A Giggle...
But guys! They had a nice lying on the picnic blanket moment when they weren't busy deceiving and murdering fellow witches!
We know this. She even admitted to killing the dog in wandavision.
Didn't we alrdy know that Agatha was a horrible person
The eyes.... have seen horrors.....
12:40 It's not clear, but the implication is very heavily implied.
The show later gives the heavy implication that the reason she went around doing this was to please Death and extend her son's time to live. It's a very stupid reference to the relationship Thanos has with Death in the comics. The whole thing about killing entire worlds to please his lover, Death herself.
The one day or the one time she stops killing witches for Death is the very moment Death chose to show up and take her son from her. That's the moment I think solidifies my theory
Wait ... if she 'sold her son' to get the darkhold ... and this was ~200 odd years ago, where did the Darkhold come from ? Oh Right. Disney. The "explanation" of Nicholas her son is worse for the story. Because it introduces Agatha the pattern Serial Killer, not Agatha the Witch.
The implication she's a vampire able to compel people to attack her with magic, is ... deranged. The story only works because Billy / Wiccan is likely able to use Reality warping magic. Which is ... contrived, but understandable, i.e. Legion has a similar magic system of mind-reality warping.
The Witches road ritual seems like an ego / serial killer reasoning, i.e. Agatha needs to think this is a valid system of isolating women from their friends, and that the coven is 'real' so she can live with the consequential deaths. It needs to be explained, because of the sheer incredulity of her vampirism. Witnesses would be inevitable unless these women weren't missed by their community. People would find out. Very quickly, these covens would find it suspicious that Agatha is a sole survivor. Multiple times. And, that more powerful witches went missing going against her. Women being stupid and unorganised, sure. But the children, husbands, and family would investigate.
You'd have to space out these crimes decades apart once they could travel outside of their towns, the railway and news agencies would stop these types of spree killing of groups of young women killed in a forest. Now, Agatha could have a cover / career as a minstrel, but that's even worse. Travelling minstrels would be suspected of being outsiders in a community. She'd need to find willing people to hypnotise or blame for her actions, scapegoats, drownings, et al.
Well that IS the logic behind why the "Salem Seven" exist in this show. they're supposedly a group of magic users who are children of the witches she'd murdered. I say supposedly because it's plausible they're just a figment of Billy imagination. I think Agatha mentioned they exist, and Billy subconsciously willed a knock off version into existence. It's notable that when they first appear they seem to duplicate. It's not actually 7 individuals at first... then it is. Like Billy didn't imagine there to be seven, then Agatha reminded him that there is supposed to be seven and he fixed that.
But the idea does exist that there are withes who are trying to hunt down and kill Agatha. But also seems to use the idea that most of those killed... just didn't get connected to her.
Another garbage Marvel show is garbage.
Gonna be real awkward when Deadpool is piping death.
Go figure they think we are going to care about Agatha being evil like Scarlet Witch, for her fake child/children sake.
They skipped the part where they show the witch coven are praying on innocence, so Agatha & Son murder spree isn't so psychopathic.
You know, one of these days, the rat will find that villain that they can transform into a sympathetic character and make it stick. I think they just keep choosing the wrong people, play a serial killer witch or a crazy lady who wants to turn puppies into a coat.
Nutsa in the middle
If they made Agatha more like Blackbeard from One Piece, this show would have been cooler. A witch that was fucked over by the strongest Witch and is now creating a team of Witches with the sole purpose of countering all of Wanda's BS on top of stealing the power of other sorcerers and whatnot would have been cool.
Also, I just want to see Kathryn Han try out the Blackbeard laugh. I think it'd be funny.
Made from scratch- “Old Scratch” is a folk term for Satan, makes more sense for a show about witchcraft.
Woah woah woah woah, hold up
Death was in love with Agatha? Wasn't she Deadpool's girlfriend or simp because of his immortality?
Wow! Agatha's backstory? Nah, it's just her badstory
My fourth agatha efap
Somehow you all managed to have less people but still managed to just talk all over each other the entire time.
Just sayin' in the Marvel Universe, Death is female, and her brother Eternity is male.
Also, 'Scratch' is a name for the devil.
Ok so What We Do in the Shadows showed us the concept of an energy vampire. And I like that interpretation much better than this crapatha.
Women ☕️
So Agatha is not a lesbian?
She only experimented with being one in college and it became her entire personality.
No, she's an American.
Nah she into hardcore selfcest
@@yaboiportch peak reference.
She's a Disney Marvel character, her pronouns are Ship/Bait
Whether it’s BC/AD or BCE/CE, getting offended by either is smooth-brained. It’s one of the most meaningless semantic disputes.
The problem being BCE and CE was adopted because people were offended by BC/AD.
@@houghtonjojo8944 I doubt that was the only reason especially since Jesus himself was born around 6-4 BC, which you could argue defeats the point of BC. However, the years themselves don’t change and pretty much everyone already knows they’re the same anyway.
@@pastorofmuppets4552sounds like you’re defending CE/ BCE.
And yes it is just because the religious aspect.
But morons don’t get that the reason we keep it, is out of respect to the Roman’s who designed our calendar and had the records to keep time.
CE/BCE is cringe
@@themastter8 sounds like you’re misunderstanding my point.
@@pastorofmuppets4552I am not offended by BCE/CE, just don't see a point in it. We have names for eras, BC/AD. No extra bs is required.