The quality of the finish on the cut sides of those boards was phenomenal.As Mr. Pavlak said during the video, the key is in the saw sharpening. Last time I sharpened my tenon saw, I had a saw that gave a wonderful right hand tilt to a cut. Working it again to get it to cut straight was quite an exercise. And that's on a 14" saw, I couldn't imagine making this monster cut straight!
Another great Colonial Williamsburg video!! Thanks so much for bringing these videos to us. I love and admire everything they do there and that you bring it to us.
I had a great time visiting your shop over the Christmas holiday. All of you are true master craftsmen no matter where you are in your skill set. My hat is off to you.
I just finished reading the first half of "To Make as Perfectly as Possible" and when the video started up I was thinking, "Wow that looks like the saw Roubo shows for cutting veneer." And sure enough... The part about the winding sticks was interesting. I guess that's the kind of thing you discover when you actually build and use the saw (I don't think the book mentions that).
Just curious, are you.guys Amish? I always wondered about this and tried to get some clues from the comments, to no avail. I ask because of the clothing regalia and general atmosphere of the shop. Thank you for these videos and website. I've used the website many times to date handolanes, vey helpful.
Saw cut on either the push or the pull stroke, not both. Think of a saw tooth as a small chisel; it only cuts into the wood one way. This is a rip cut, where the saw teeth are cutting along the grain, and basically chipping out the wood in between. A cross cut would be across the grain, and the teeth would be slicing the wood. Rip cut saw teeth are at 90 degrees to the edge of the cut. If you tried to make a saw that would cut on both strokes, you need teeth where the points were facing each other, but also not get into the way of each other, but also have room for the saw dust to collect until it can be released when the tooth exits the wood. TLDR: The properties of wood, of edged tools, and geometry say "no".
No need for a kerfing plane when there are two men. Each minds their side of the cut. With one, that becomes a little more difficult. There's historical basis for the kerfing type of plane, I believe (roubo?), but in a shop with more than one person, I doubt anyone would've used it - it takes a lot of time to kerf a board to full depth, which is time that could be spent sawing instead, and the saw definitely removes material faster than the kerfing tool. (notice the accuracy of the cut with where the teeth are - just on one side of the line and dead on it the whole way. I thought they were going a bit slow at first, but I see what they're doing and why - it would be difficult to be quite as accurate on a board with one person, kerfing saw or not. And the wander leaves work to be done with the plane before the next board is cut - they've managed to avoid that).
40 years ago in India I sometimes saw pit saws still in use in rural areas. In that method one sawyer stood on top of the log which was held across a pit or other arrangement to allow another man to hold the bottom end of the saw. It must have been grueling to have been the guy up top who had to pull the saw blade up on each stroke. I imagine they took turns. Most of the lumber for building in those areas was produced that way. I never saw any water powered pit saws.
How long did that take to do in real time, I wonder how long a plank 10 ft long would take? It was an interesting glimpse into yesteryear. The saw would go well with my recently purchased coopers jointer plane and that is 6 ft long. Thanks for the great video
icespeckledhens Uh, hard to say. We were doing some other things in the meantime. But my guess is that it took around 15-20 minutes. 10 ft plank? Why don't you try it out and let ME know!
Hello there,i'm trying to find a blade to make a frame saw,could you tell me a little about what brands are good/not so much?i will be mainly re-sawing guitar body's/tops and chopping boards for now, just purchased a table saw and had a go at re-sawing a 6'' piece of jatoba which went well,but i would rather not have to do it again for obvious reasons,any help is good help,cheers for now.
Nice, but what would really stink would be for the cut to finish, you release the vice, and find that there was a lot of internal stress on that plank. Now you have a couple of big square bowls. that would make a priest start cursing.Beautifully done. The concentration on the younger guys face when starting that cut though... impressive.
Just visited CW. All but the joinery shop, were closed. At the joinery shop I was treated to a lecture on the importance of joinery. No attempt to make as nything or use the tools. Very dissatisfied.
Love the work style and the crew's outfits, doesn't look very comfy to work in though... This is just an observation and not a scrutiny or criticism in any way, actually I like the "Old ways", but let me ask: "Work speed was never a factor in those days, isn't it"? In today's "hush rush", a shop like this could NOT survive, I believe. Thanks for the posting.
+ronin4711 Man, when you see their clothes up close, it actually looks very comfortable to me. Linen clothes that are a tad loose...I could do that! Speed has always been a concern, but you're right, a shop like this couldn't survive now days, unless people pay a premium for totally hand made furniture. The quality is certainly superior to the joinery techniques employed back then.
Joshua I like the fact that you take your time to answer, means a lot that you care what people say. That bow-tie doesn't look like too comfortable to work with it or any tie and buttoned all the way up, the rest, I can understand, you get used to it... Thanks.
@@blueridgebrothers hi depends on the shop i make furniture in the same way and make a living and do not charge a huge amount. The great masters of the 18th century where a lot faster than people think.
LOL. It's not rude people, but tourists. Colonial Williamsburg is a living museum, so people were still coming through to see the workshop while we were filming. But if this wasn't the case, yes, that would be rude.
@@WoodAndShop I don't know, if I see a cameraman and people acting in front of it, I shut the heck up and watch. More tourists need to watch their attitudes everywhere, not just in the US.
GOD bless you, guys. You are quite an inspiration
We take for granted the time and effort it takes to make anything wood especially with such easily available and cheap commercial furniture.
I’m finally building my Roubo Frame saw this month, super excited 😊 Have been putting it off for over a year.
The quality of the finish on the cut sides of those boards was phenomenal.As Mr. Pavlak said during the video, the key is in the saw sharpening. Last time I sharpened my tenon saw, I had a saw that gave a wonderful right hand tilt to a cut. Working it again to get it to cut straight was quite an exercise. And that's on a 14" saw, I couldn't imagine making this monster cut straight!
David Taylor Yeah, it's quite amazing how much work goes into a straight cut.
Beautiful work.
I-l appreciate my saws more after seeing this, it took a life time to get that board.
Can wait to check in tomorrow to see how the boards look sawn through completely
You’ve probably done this for years, do you remember just how impressive it is a someone like myself? An amazing video, thank you.
Another great Colonial Williamsburg video!! Thanks so much for bringing these videos to us. I love and admire everything they do there and that you bring it to us.
Neal Carey Thanks for watching Neal!
Excellent. Enjoyed it very much. Funny, at one time this would have been a very common site and sound all around the world.
DUNCAN HILL Glad you liked it!
I had a great time visiting your shop over the Christmas holiday. All of you are true master craftsmen no matter where you are in your skill set. My hat is off to you.
These videos are GOLD!!!!!!
mark 123 Alright, then send me some gold!!
i enjoyed listening to the resonance of that saw.
Bored User Yeah, it would be nice to play at bed time :)
Very nice! Nice to see a new video from your organization! Thank you.
Thanks so much for this video using the winding sticks should really help me out to saw a lot easier .
disneytodd777 Glad it was helpful.
Amazing!!! They are so skilled and patient...
Thanks for the video!
Joercio Veloso da Silva Yeah, it's pretty easy to be patient when you're getting paid a salary!
That's why I love my 16" bandsaw!
***** Yeah, in this case I think I'd probably go for the bandsaw :)
I love resawing by hand until I start doing it!
Yeah, it's a lot of fun to watch but not to do!
I think it was Grouch Marx who said, “I love hard work. I could watch it for hours!”
appreciate you posting this , a great video ..
Tony Thanks for watching Tony!
Awesome!
Great video
The ShavingWood Workshop Thanks for watching!
That was awesome!
Jim Dockrell I'm glad you liked it!
I just finished reading the first half of "To Make as Perfectly as Possible" and when the video started up I was thinking, "Wow that looks like the saw Roubo shows for cutting veneer." And sure enough... The part about the winding sticks was interesting. I guess that's the kind of thing you discover when you actually build and use the saw (I don't think the book mentions that).
Stonewood Yup, that's exactly right. Thanks for watching!
Just curious, are you.guys Amish? I always wondered about this and tried to get some clues from the comments, to no avail. I ask because of the clothing regalia and general atmosphere of the shop.
Thank you for these videos and website. I've used the website many times to date handolanes, vey helpful.
Here is you're moment of zen
great video! thanks
Geigenbau CJK You're certainly welcome!
wow, very impressive! amazed that there wasn't an obvious join mark on the cut side! how long did the cut take in total?
So I'm curious, why is the blade not ground to cut in both directions? Seems like it would be faster. Does that affect the quality of the cut?
I wondered this too... that took a LONG time. Still a great video.
Saw cut on either the push or the pull stroke, not both. Think of a saw tooth as a small chisel; it only cuts into the wood one way.
This is a rip cut, where the saw teeth are cutting along the grain, and basically chipping out the wood in between. A cross cut would be across the grain, and the teeth would be slicing the wood. Rip cut saw teeth are at 90 degrees to the edge of the cut. If you tried to make a saw that would cut on both strokes, you need teeth where the points were facing each other, but also not get into the way of each other, but also have room for the saw dust to collect until it can be released when the tooth exits the wood.
TLDR: The properties of wood, of edged tools, and geometry say "no".
I'm a bit surprised you didn't start the cut with a Kerfing plane. Nice video.
No need for a kerfing plane when there are two men. Each minds their side of the cut. With one, that becomes a little more difficult. There's historical basis for the kerfing type of plane, I believe (roubo?), but in a shop with more than one person, I doubt anyone would've used it - it takes a lot of time to kerf a board to full depth, which is time that could be spent sawing instead, and the saw definitely removes material faster than the kerfing tool.
(notice the accuracy of the cut with where the teeth are - just on one side of the line and dead on it the whole way. I thought they were going a bit slow at first, but I see what they're doing and why - it would be difficult to be quite as accurate on a board with one person, kerfing saw or not. And the wander leaves work to be done with the plane before the next board is cut - they've managed to avoid that).
Oh, aren't you both clever & surprised !
yes, pushing down on such a long blade would undoubtably cause the blade to twist and then wander or drift
Is it slower to resaw two 5" boards or a single 10" board?
Wow that is a lost art where can i buy those wide blades i am in the process of 36” frame saw build thanks
how long did it take for them to get thru the board? great video as always.
matt gordon I think it was 15-20 minutes. Glad you liked it Matt!
40 years ago in India I sometimes saw pit saws still in use in rural areas. In that method one sawyer stood on top of the log which was held across a pit or other arrangement to allow another man to hold the bottom end of the saw. It must have been grueling to have been the guy up top who had to pull the saw blade up on each stroke. I imagine they took turns. Most of the lumber for building in those areas was produced that way. I never saw any water powered pit saws.
Neat, I'm going to build a 36 inch from a kit I think.
How long did that take to do in real time, I wonder how long a plank 10 ft long would take?
It was an interesting glimpse into yesteryear. The saw would go well with my recently purchased coopers jointer plane and that is 6 ft long.
Thanks for the great video
icespeckledhens Uh, hard to say. We were doing some other things in the meantime. But my guess is that it took around 15-20 minutes. 10 ft plank? Why don't you try it out and let ME know!
Hello there,i'm trying to find a blade to make a frame saw,could you tell me a little about what brands are good/not so much?i will be mainly re-sawing guitar body's/tops and chopping boards for now, just purchased a table saw and had a go at re-sawing a 6'' piece of jatoba which went well,but i would rather not have to do it again for obvious reasons,any help is good help,cheers for now.
i'm sorry, where is this again?
meanwhile back at the ranch
Nice, but what would really stink would be for the cut to finish, you release the vice, and find that there was a lot of internal stress on that plank. Now you have a couple of big square bowls. that would make a priest start cursing.Beautifully done. The concentration on the younger guys face when starting that cut though... impressive.
Any reason they are not "kerfing all 4 sides, first?
Probably no need. The sawn boards will be flattened with planes anyway, and kerfing would take a lot of time.
If my wife and I tried this we'd be in a full on screaming match within 2 minutes
Just visited CW. All but the joinery shop, were closed. At the joinery shop I was treated to a lecture on the importance of joinery. No attempt to make as nything or use the tools. Very dissatisfied.
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Love the work style and the crew's outfits, doesn't look very comfy to work in though...
This is just an observation and not a scrutiny or criticism in any way, actually I like the "Old ways", but let me ask:
"Work speed was never a factor in those days, isn't it"?
In today's "hush rush", a shop like this could NOT survive, I believe.
Thanks for the posting.
+ronin4711 Man, when you see their clothes up close, it actually looks very comfortable to me. Linen clothes that are a tad loose...I could do that! Speed has always been a concern, but you're right, a shop like this couldn't survive now days, unless people pay a premium for totally hand made furniture. The quality is certainly superior to the joinery techniques employed back then.
Joshua
I like the fact that you take your time to answer, means a lot that you care what people say. That bow-tie doesn't look like too comfortable to work with it or any tie and buttoned all the way up, the rest, I can understand, you get used to it...
Thanks.
+ronin4711 No problem! Yeah, wearing a tie to build furniture is sure funny to us now.
Checking on your shop progress, believe on day you'll have a nice place there...
Cheers.
@@blueridgebrothers hi depends on the shop i make furniture in the same way and make a living and do not charge a huge amount. The great masters of the 18th century where a lot faster than people think.
And then there was electricity, WHEW!
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Wow! That'll test your deoderant. Nice job.
What's up with the costumes? Do y'all dress like this everyday?
Moonie Dizzle those aren’t costumes. They’re Modern clothes.
It's Colonial Williamsburg. All historical reenactors.
Who are the unkind folks talking in the background while they're trying to record a video? Rude, rude, rude.
LOL. It's not rude people, but tourists. Colonial Williamsburg is a living museum, so people were still coming through to see the workshop while we were filming. But if this wasn't the case, yes, that would be rude.
@@WoodAndShop I don't know, if I see a cameraman and people acting in front of it, I shut the heck up and watch. More tourists need to watch their attitudes everywhere, not just in the US.
Powered by human fat ;)
Sádrojádro CZ Yeah, that's how I power my handtools.