Its well known by now that the rated power numbers for the na v8s are underrated. The 5.7 is pushing at least 400 crank hp and the 6.4 about 500. But theyve changed nothing interior wise and are pretty much the same since 2015 besides a few tech upgrades here n there
A big time YES for anyone looking for a Mopar on a budget. Nothing wrong with the pentastar six cylinders, but the 5.7 is where the magic begins, and in my opinion the RT’s and Scats have the best sound since they’re naturally aspirated. To me they sound like a “modern day muscle car” in simpler terms, just pure raw exhaust and motor sounds 😎💪
@@Clooger- Are you the one trolling? Nobody was talking about used cars, I'm strictly speaking new. I wouldn't even trust a used V8 Mercedes or BMW to last very long anyways, I'd still take a 5.7L hemi Charger over either one. Besides, most of those cars aren't even full size sedans, which is what the Charger really is competing with. Besides complaining that the 5.7L (or any Charger/Challenger V8) isnt the fastest is completely missing the point of the car. They are true muscle cars designed to be gigantic and heavy, not track cars. They ride excellently and have a presence that most other cars in their category do not have as a result. That's why they are cool. I don't really give a shit about a clapped out BMW.
14' Mustang Gt/Brembo guy here but I grew up with Mopars and always considered the Charger to be the best-looking sedan on the road. Have seen many really cool colors/configs. Nice color here and sounds great!
Your traction control was still active even though it says it was off. There’s a 2nd stage of traction off that requires pressing and holding the button
I've owned the Scat Pack and it was overpowered, if not pointless for 99% of drivers. I now own the GT because it looks almost exactly like the higher trims and has the same features for less money. The R/T is a good compromise between the two and will only cost you $100/month over the GT, if you just have to have the V8. The main downside is that car thieves love the Hemis and most of them can tell the difference. In my area, with incentives, you can get the R/T for less than 42K.
I've owned a Scat Pack for awhile. Anyone that says these cars are slow, you'll get gapped by *insert other car name here*, etc. are straight clowns. 99% of the time, I can't even come close to utilizing all the power this engine puts out on normal city streets. Cool engine. Sounds awesome. Awesome amount of power. Borderline useless at times? Definitely.
@@EmEs1018 I owned my Scat Pack for 2.5 years and sold it for more than I paid for it when the world lost its mind about these cars. I actually went to a Camry XSE, but it was underpowered. The GT was a perfect compromise between decent power and financial intelligence.
@@kingpeso4240 The main reason is I didn't want to pay for power I rarely used. Also, the HEMIs are stolen more often and that means higher insurance. If I hadn't been able to find the GT with the options I wanted, the RT would have been my second choice for sure.
You can mod a 57 better than a 392. 392 can’t handle boost as well as the 57. Mods for the 57 would be intake, cam, long tube heads, exhaust, 392 ported manifold. Easy mods to make 420 to the wheel and keep up with 392s
@@Shaolinmonk781 someone playing stupid and it shows badly 🤡😂 tell me why did this 2023 charger hellcat drop 15k then when it only has 10k mileage 😂😂😂😂 again heavy depreciation piece of junk
Love the green, not common and looks great. Nice looking charger I remember all of the outrage when the charger came back from the dead as a 4 door. Now people love the 4 door chargers.
The 5.7 hemi has been making the same horsepower since 2009. Its a damn shame. Hell, the 6.4 hemi got a 15 horsepower bump after 4 years of existence. It's an absolute crime that the 5.7 isn't making 400 horsepower. Especially with the huge price increases.
Love my 2021 charger RT/daytona. If I had a scat or Cat, I'd just lose my license and the car would be impounded. It's hard enough staying decent in the daytona. My RT sounds much better than this one in the video.
I recently imported one from the US to Germany. They dont sell them here. Jaw dropping car here in Germany and my daily trip to work includes 3 long tunnels. Agree that the 5.7 has the better sound🌩
I have a 2014 pursuit with a couple of small mods like a tuner chip. These things are really fast for what they are. they will actually get away from you from a dead stop launch. and dont punch it around a fairly tight corner at 30 mph lol Mine has the cop exhaust (just a delete of the resonators far as I can tell) It sounds really good but is quite in the car till you punch it. 0-50 varies by surface from say 4.9-5.2 The slight mods I did maybe make it a tenth faster? they did make a difference as second gear shifts will light up the tires a bit now. My other car is an Ls converted 74 chevy c10 truck and seems that both cars run about the same but the charger seems a tad faster 80-120 One thing tho the charger has the old Br9 brakes which are the biggest dodge put on chargers This thing STOPS Soooo it was fun from the start and I haven't spent a bunch on it It was a $5500 car at auction LOL
I still want one but I have a feeling it’ll get stolen after a while lol, I’d do everything I can to prevent it of course, 2 days out of the week the car will sit on the street (I live in a townhouse/apartments)
Went to the dealer and test drive both the RT Challenger and Charger. $36K was confirmed. They have a lot of them on the lot! Also talking about 0% finance coming very soon.
@@astroidother3609 thanks. These are going for good prices now since they’ve been sitting so i’m trying to decide on a new challenger/charger r/t or a used mustang gt or camaro lt1/ss
I have a 2021 Charger R/T. The car is stock. It has the bigger tires and Brenbo brakes. It will run mid 13s all day on street tires if driven right. My best is 13.48. It's no 392 but these times are very good for a car that weighs 4300 lbs. It will also run over 150mph on top. The brake and tire option gets rid of the 130mph limiter. A V-6 Camry won't touch this car. Plus you don't have to buy the 93 octane gas. My car also gets 27 to 28 miles per gallon on trips. They also have a great sound. The 392 can be too loud.
did u buy it yet also how does it drive and how much gas does it take up i really wanna buy one in the future its my dream car but idk if i can afford it.....
The hp is measured to the crank to wheel, it has around 300-330 whp depending on the year, dodge measures EVERYTHING to the crank and not wheel. Even the demon 170 is measured to the crank not wheel. They lie about there horsepower ratings been a known thing
It’s not shorter in length than a challenger my man. It’s a little longer and a little thinner. Loved the video. I’m all about the charger but the hype and prices are way too much now
If it's fully loaded then yeah I think it's a good price because. GTs are going for 40,000. In GTs are going for 40,000 because they look like scat packs now
Thank you so much,for including how crazy the price is cause I would have done bought it because I have the thought off the past driver ripping the engine up. I’ll look for a used one. I’m in a Chevy equinox 2016 and the sensors are going crazy for some reason. I rented a charger and love it. I work with my K9 so im looking for a roomy v that I can have 2 dogs in.. I Dont 9care about gas prices I just comfort and reliability.. 😂😂😂 I say that cars can give you that hahaha. Thank you im a subscriber
So someone in my former profession (LEO) does not show up at his home and arrest him for depending on protocol any one or number of charges such as Exabition of speed, Speeding, Reckless, Reckless & Aggressive ETC. Hope this helps give perspective. Enjoyed the vid. Echo Hard! "Doc"
How was the infotainment screen the best thing about this car for you? That’s basically a standard in any car nowadays and Dodge has one of the worst screens. I should know I own this car!
yeah.... my police puursuit still has the spotlamps (hey.. they turn night into day) and a white roof.... My daughter followed me in it one time and it is cop evil looking! The other thing I like is the column shifter instead of the center one. I did have to buy a center console as all the cop stuff was stripped out. I like the rubber floor instead of carpet also.I am going to program the Diablo tuner tho to get the scat pac screens.. Not sure how that will work tho with the smaller display.
I mean I always say it’s a personal preference but for the price it isn’t worth it to me, my old 92 vette would beat the stock r/t all day long and it only cost like 9k but my c6 used cost 29k and with just a Diablo 91 tune it runs a 12.485 quarter mile. So for me the price isn’t worth what I’m getting out of it performance wise. But like I said it’s a personal preference and just depends on people’s situations.
I had an R/T and it’s fine for daily driving. It sucks if you’re trying to get real performance. Next time I’m getting a 392. The power is even close. It’s worth the extra 10 thousand..
@@ciaracasler216 I already witness your low quality mopar 😂 , I got a ford instead of a 2 year old car that’s been sitting on the lot and still asking new pricing for lol Plus uconnect is trash , interior panels start ungluing , depreciation is hefty of that , yea I’m good you can keep that slowpar 😂 A man knows good quality , sorry you’re still figuring it out 😆
R/T is not 150 lbs less than ScatPack. The 150 lbs is supercharger, intercooler and pump weight. So RT and SP are 150 lbs less than Supercharged Hellcats and Demons.
$50k? I'd take a BMW M340 all day over this for that money. Faster , nicer, better handling and very boost friendly for higher boost levels and bigger turbos
It goes more into that 70 hp, you get basically a good second quicker than a V6, alot more torque, better sound and they're still pretty good on gas in normal mode. I would say it's worth it over a V6 GT definitely but ay fit what's best for you.
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Its well known by now that the rated power numbers for the na v8s are underrated. The 5.7 is pushing at least 400 crank hp and the 6.4 about 500. But theyve changed nothing interior wise and are pretty much the same since 2015 besides a few tech upgrades here n there
Idk about 400hp but I’ve seen stock 5.7s dyno like 345-355 which is around 390 crank hp. Throw a new intake on and get a tune and ur easily at 400+hp
@@itsaccer7443 + an srt intake manifold
A big time YES for anyone looking for a Mopar on a budget. Nothing wrong with the pentastar six cylinders, but the 5.7 is where the magic begins, and in my opinion the RT’s and Scats have the best sound since they’re naturally aspirated. To me they sound like a “modern day muscle car” in simpler terms, just pure raw exhaust and motor sounds 😎💪
The only thing wrong with the V6s is that they are TOO underpowered!!!! The 5.7 has better torque and top end power, dont waste ya time!!!! 🤣🤣
Paid $32k for my 21, $45K for a year newer is crazy. Really great & fun car with enough power as a daily.
any helpful tips on how to properly maintain it? i’m a new owner n i want to make sure i treat it right
@@Daelenjust read the instruction book
@@Daelendid the search button not work anymore
Dodge makes some great vehicles but they're too expensive for what they are, and too easy to steal.
Agreed, $45k new for this is ridiculous, and when I drive mopar's I'm always a little nervous leaving it in a parking lot
They make more money off of them being easy to steal, why change?
Idk about the "expensive" part, every car now is ridiculously overpriced, what other car besides the Camaro can you get a V8 in for sub-$50k?
@nicksgamingchannel Are you fucking trolling? C5, C6, SL55, M6, S550, S197 all smoke this thing. I could name 10+ more but I don't feel like typing.
@@Clooger- Are you the one trolling? Nobody was talking about used cars, I'm strictly speaking new. I wouldn't even trust a used V8 Mercedes or BMW to last very long anyways, I'd still take a 5.7L hemi Charger over either one. Besides, most of those cars aren't even full size sedans, which is what the Charger really is competing with.
Besides complaining that the 5.7L (or any Charger/Challenger V8) isnt the fastest is completely missing the point of the car. They are true muscle cars designed to be gigantic and heavy, not track cars. They ride excellently and have a presence that most other cars in their category do not have as a result. That's why they are cool. I don't really give a shit about a clapped out BMW.
14' Mustang Gt/Brembo guy here but I grew up with Mopars and always considered the Charger to be the best-looking sedan on the road. Have seen many really cool colors/configs. Nice color here and sounds great!
Your traction control was still active even though it says it was off. There’s a 2nd stage of traction off that requires pressing and holding the button
Then stability control, have to turn the car on and hold trac button and disables it all
I've owned the Scat Pack and it was overpowered, if not pointless for 99% of drivers. I now own the GT because it looks almost exactly like the higher trims and has the same features for less money. The R/T is a good compromise between the two and will only cost you $100/month over the GT, if you just have to have the V8. The main downside is that car thieves love the Hemis and most of them can tell the difference. In my area, with incentives, you can get the R/T for less than 42K.
I've owned a Scat Pack for awhile. Anyone that says these cars are slow, you'll get gapped by *insert other car name here*, etc. are straight clowns. 99% of the time, I can't even come close to utilizing all the power this engine puts out on normal city streets. Cool engine. Sounds awesome. Awesome amount of power. Borderline useless at times? Definitely.
You went from a Scat to a GT and didn’t mind, AT ALL?
@@EmEs1018 I owned my Scat Pack for 2.5 years and sold it for more than I paid for it when the world lost its mind about these cars. I actually went to a Camry XSE, but it was underpowered. The GT was a perfect compromise between decent power and financial intelligence.
@@donniechaffin6897why didn’t you get the RT?
@@kingpeso4240 The main reason is I didn't want to pay for power I rarely used. Also, the HEMIs are stolen more often and that means higher insurance. If I hadn't been able to find the GT with the options I wanted, the RT would have been my second choice for sure.
You can mod a 57 better than a 392. 392 can’t handle boost as well as the 57. Mods for the 57 would be intake, cam, long tube heads, exhaust, 392 ported manifold. Easy mods to make 420 to the wheel and keep up with 392s
And still be slower than a mustang 😂
@@cormaro13 You Mopar haters are always so salty LOL.
@@Shaolinmonk781 nah we just know what heavy depreciation looks like 😂
@@cormaro13 Yea sure buddy, whatever you say😂😂😂😂
@@Shaolinmonk781 someone playing stupid and it shows badly 🤡😂 tell me why did this 2023 charger hellcat drop 15k then when it only has 10k mileage 😂😂😂😂 again heavy depreciation piece of junk
Love the green, not common and looks great. Nice looking charger I remember all of the outrage when the charger came back from the dead as a 4 door. Now people love the 4 door chargers.
The 5.7 hemi has been making the same horsepower since 2009. Its a damn shame. Hell, the 6.4 hemi got a 15 horsepower bump after 4 years of existence. It's an absolute crime that the 5.7 isn't making 400 horsepower. Especially with the huge price increases.
Love my 2021 charger RT/daytona. If I had a scat or Cat, I'd just lose my license and the car would be impounded. It's hard enough staying decent in the daytona. My RT sounds much better than this one in the video.
My dream car and color
the RT's can handle boost its the scatpacks that be blowing up
I paid 37k for 22 rt with 5k miles I’d say that’s a pretty damn good price
If i have this, i keep them stock just for daily drive and fun~ I really enjoy watching this keep it up
That “gurgle pop” you’re hearing is from the infamous zf transmission😮💨
Great trans.
I recently imported one from the US to Germany. They dont sell them here. Jaw dropping car here in Germany and my daily trip to work includes 3 long tunnels. Agree that the 5.7 has the better sound🌩
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I have a 22 hemi r/t and I absolutely love it.
I have a 2014 pursuit with a couple of small mods like a tuner chip. These things are really fast for what they are. they will actually get away from you from a dead stop launch. and dont punch it around a fairly tight corner at 30 mph lol Mine has the cop exhaust (just a delete of the resonators far as I can tell) It sounds really good but is quite in the car till you punch it. 0-50 varies by surface from say 4.9-5.2 The slight mods I did maybe make it a tenth faster? they did make a difference as second gear shifts will light up the tires a bit now. My other car is an Ls converted 74 chevy c10 truck and seems that both cars run about the same but the charger seems a tad faster 80-120 One thing tho the charger has the old Br9 brakes which are the biggest dodge put on chargers This thing STOPS Soooo it was fun from the start and I haven't spent a bunch on it It was a $5500 car at auction LOL
Great video. Love hearing the stock exhaust!
I still want one but I have a feeling it’ll get stolen after a while lol, I’d do everything I can to prevent it of course, 2 days out of the week the car will sit on the street (I live in a townhouse/apartments)
Yeah that would be sketchy :(. I worry about it just going inside of a gas station lol! Maybe that's a bit unnecessary.
@@ProfessorDrives I’m not worried too much anymore I just found a kill switch/ security System from compustar 👌 plus a rfd blocker it’s a win win
Have traction on for digs and lower rpm from launch control
Heads up these get stolen too. Just got mines back yesterday after 3 months. Located in Bay Area
3 months damn no tracker?
It’s definitely Worth it. I’m 90k miles on my 2019 Rt now. Still runs new. Just don’t beat up your car. Take care of it
I’m trying to get a 300s with the 5.7
They are going for $35K brand new where I live in Texas. Starting to look like too good a deal to miss out on.
Too good to be true
Went to the dealer and test drive both the RT Challenger and Charger. $36K was confirmed. They have a lot of them on the lot! Also talking about 0% finance coming very soon.
@@astroidother3609How was the power? Did it feel fast enough?
Yes sir. In the real world it is plenty fast enough and they sound great.
@@astroidother3609 thanks. These are going for good prices now since they’ve been sitting so i’m trying to decide on a new challenger/charger r/t or a used mustang gt or camaro lt1/ss
I have a 2021 Charger R/T. The car is stock. It has the bigger tires and Brenbo brakes. It will run mid 13s all day on street tires if driven right. My best is 13.48. It's no 392 but these times are very good for a car that weighs 4300 lbs. It will also run over 150mph on top. The brake and tire option gets rid of the 130mph limiter. A V-6 Camry won't touch this car. Plus you don't have to buy the 93 octane gas. My car also gets 27 to 28 miles per gallon on trips. They also have a great sound. The 392 can be too loud.
replace the headers and get a 85mm throttle body along with a tune, and try it again = bigger smile on your face.
what is the difference between the scat pack and srt 392
I'll be taking mine on the Autobahn on a regular basis. We'll see how well it holds up to going over 100MPH for long distances.
This was my midlife crisis lol my sons 14… I hope to someday work toward making it his (: ( he’s a really GOOD kid)
Found some great prices for some in my area I’m buying her in just a month
did u buy it yet also how does it drive and how much gas does it take up i really wanna buy one in the future its my dream car but idk if i can afford it.....
Do you think these will still be available new in 3 years when I return to the US?
The hp is measured to the crank to wheel, it has around 300-330 whp depending on the year, dodge measures EVERYTHING to the crank and not wheel. Even the demon 170 is measured to the crank not wheel. They lie about there horsepower ratings been a known thing
Motorcycle companies too lol
That’s almost every car. My v6 accord is supposed to have “270” hp but I dynoed it and it makes 243
Only company I know that makes more power then what they say is BMW
@@jayybizz_bmw and hyundai N cars
BMW gives you close to wheel horsepower as the rating. They say the B58 makes 382hp but cars with this engine put down around that at the wheels
It’s not shorter in length than a challenger my man. It’s a little longer and a little thinner. Loved the video. I’m all about the charger but the hype and prices are way too much now
It seems like a good place to live. Where is that place?
Is 40k miles on a RT cool to buy?
My intuition says yes, BUT... It would be very useful to know how the previous owner treated it.
Yea that's good
If you say 40,000 miles that's technically a new car
Don’t do it try to get 30k or less
If it's fully loaded then yeah I think it's a good price because. GTs are going for 40,000. In GTs are going for 40,000 because they look like scat packs now
Is good to buy this cars? I know that now is no more v6 and v8
The 5.7 can be modded. The 6.4 is built for that power; NO Boost.
Lol blurring the speedometer is kinda pointless 😂
Thank you so much,for including how crazy the price is cause I would have done bought it because I have the thought off the past driver ripping the engine up. I’ll look for a used one. I’m in a Chevy equinox 2016 and the sensors are going crazy for some reason. I rented a charger and love it. I work with my K9 so im looking for a roomy v that I can have 2 dogs in.. I Dont 9care about gas prices I just comfort and reliability.. 😂😂😂 I say that cars can give you that hahaha. Thank you im a subscriber
1:39 The police can still measure your speed by the time on the video and the distance between poles 😆
is this the real or all wheel drive
Why blurring the gages?
So someone in my former profession (LEO) does not show up at his home and arrest him for depending on protocol any one or number of charges such as Exabition of speed, Speeding, Reckless, Reckless & Aggressive ETC. Hope this helps give perspective. Enjoyed the vid. Echo Hard! "Doc"
Great car but the only mods really worth doing are intake and exhaust 🤷
How was the infotainment screen the best thing about this car for you? That’s basically a standard in any car nowadays and Dodge has one of the worst screens. I should know I own this car!
yeah.... my police puursuit still has the spotlamps (hey.. they turn night into day) and a white roof.... My daughter followed me in it one time and it is cop evil looking! The other thing I like is the column shifter instead of the center one. I did have to buy a center console as all the cop stuff was stripped out. I like the rubber floor instead of carpet also.I am going to program the Diablo tuner tho to get the scat pac screens.. Not sure how that will work tho with the smaller display.
You don't won't to no how much the RT is in new Zealand
V8 as a daily driver is crazy expensive. Gas ain’t cheap.
Is a 2021 rt with 9000 miles worth it for 32k?
Yes
@@datdudenic15 I copped it baby boy 🙏🏽💪🏽
@@DomBeenPaid congrats my boy 💪🏾
@@datdudenic15 appreciate you we on shit all 2024!!!!
@@DomBeenPaid did u do any mods on yours yet?
I mean I always say it’s a personal preference but for the price it isn’t worth it to me, my old 92 vette would beat the stock r/t all day long and it only cost like 9k but my c6 used cost 29k and with just a Diablo 91 tune it runs a 12.485 quarter mile. So for me the price isn’t worth what I’m getting out of it performance wise. But like I said it’s a personal preference and just depends on people’s situations.
I think it is better than scat, because it is more practical. If you're not going to the track, where are you going to use all that power.
Nice Video Brodie❤
I had an R/T and it’s fine for daily driving. It sucks if you’re trying to get real performance. Next time I’m getting a 392. The power is even close. It’s worth the extra 10 thousand..
Or just get a mustang and stop being slow 😂
I own a scat I've been beat by Sligh modified 5.7s
@@cormaro13or start being a man and buy a Mopar
@@ciaracasler216 I already witness your low quality mopar 😂 , I got a ford instead of a 2 year old car that’s been sitting on the lot and still asking new pricing for lol
Plus uconnect is trash , interior panels start ungluing , depreciation is hefty of that , yea I’m good you can keep that slowpar 😂
A man knows good quality , sorry you’re still figuring it out 😆
@@cormaro132 door cars are trash
If you can get it for a really good price then yes
I bought a 22 with 15k for 50k is that steal or lost?
That’s hella steal is it clean title or rebuilt?
5.7. Is better with modifications.. you are incorrect
Unless you know the previous owner, never buy a used Hemi Charger. Do you watch the news at all?
I bought mines used no problem at all do ur homework on the car
Yea ,your getting booked pal 😂😂
Are those stock mufflers
Yea it’s an active exhaust it’s shocking I know lol😂😂
Do a 392 video next
Will do
R/T is not 150 lbs less than ScatPack. The 150 lbs is supercharger, intercooler and pump weight. So RT and SP are 150 lbs less than Supercharged Hellcats and Demons.
This nerd keeps bluring out his speed. 😒
Nah I want a 18 392 those the best Srt wheels and I wanna see Srt on my wheel
I got a 2015 srt 392 definitly the best version of the 392
RT’s seem to be priced the best
Spent $40 on gas right there 😂
$50k? I'd take a BMW M340 all day over this for that money. Faster , nicer, better handling and very boost friendly for higher boost levels and bigger turbos
I wouldn't pay 50 for either but if I did RT everytime. looks and sounds better
Is this on stock exhaust?
I'm gonna say yes because mine which is the RT daytona package sounds much different.
It sounds like that when you have it in sports mode but yes it does sound like that
Considering that's only 70 more hp more than my 23 gt no I'm good Considering the cost difference
It goes more into that 70 hp, you get basically a good second quicker than a V6, alot more torque, better sound and they're still pretty good on gas in normal mode. I would say it's worth it over a V6 GT definitely but ay fit what's best for you.
Well I've got no complaints regarding the power of my 23 gt
You can find used rt’s for under 15k 2015 and up easily, amazing deal.
No, please don't buy a boat. Go buy coyote, and u can build it for $5000 and make easy 800hp. Stock block and everything.
mustang is an eye sore. hideous body design. Great performance though dollar for dollar can't deny
Nothing wrong with a rt charger
Nope lol my v6 Camry walks this boat all day😂😂 but I still got love for the R/T
That is not a 5 second 0-60 car sir. What modifications did you do?
@@ProfessorDrives the v6 Camry’s is about 5.6sec to 60 if lunched right with no modes. It beats the R/T easy bc of the weight.
@@notacarguy4398smoking crack
@@irishspring6179 Lmaoo just do ur research n thank me later b4 u buy an R/T.
@@notacarguy4398 Did you see 7:45? It doesn't beat the R/T.
I thought abt getting but my jaguar has more hp…..
No you shouldn’t cause for the same price you can buy a mustang 😂
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The 5.7 ain’t worth a damn
Sounds like you want one n don’t have one
@@5.7SOCIETY lol like I said they ain’t worth a damn
@@shawnbuchanan1156agreed I’ll take a bmw over this any day
@@5.7SOCIETY Drove an 18 RT Chally. Not worth it or impressed. Decided on a 13 5.0 Coyote. Way more fun and not in a boaty car.
C7 vette C6 vette final generation RT
3 best cars out there today. period. no mods needed
good for blacks