The Problem with Wokeness | Africa Brooke

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  • Опубликовано: 6 дек 2021
  • I sit down with Africa Brooke to break down wokeness, identity politics, self censorship, and the way our current society often engages with each other on social media. The term “wokeness” was initially a good idea - it’s good to be awake and aware. But what started out as progressive has turned into something extreme and often regressive instead. By critically thinking and allowing for nuance we can find common ground and positively move forward, taking care to see what is happening as a collective. And hopefully, by shedding the obsession the mainstream has with identity politics, we can become more unified rather than divided.
    Africa is from Zimbabwe and resides in Britain. She’s a writer, speaker and consultant. Her work focuses on self sabotage and self censorship, which began when she got sober 5 years ago after 7 relapses. I’m 2016 she became curious about human behavior and the concept of self sabotage.. After taking from her own subjective experience she began to look at these things through the lens of the collective, which led her to writing a now viral open letter called “why I’m leaving the cult of wokeness” which has been read by almost 5 million people.
    In this episode we discuss:
    * Africa’s transformation story to sobriety
    * How self sabotage and self censorship effects us on an individual level as well as the collective
    * The evolution of wokeness
    * Africa’s viral open letter called “Why I’m leaving the cult of wokeness”
    * The break down of identity politics and if the mainstream’s obsession with it is progressive or actually regressive
    * Our personal experiences during the social media blow up of BLM in 2020
    * Healthy social filters versus unhealthy self censorship
    * Identity group think, racism, and tokening
    * The importance of intellectual diversity
    Where to find Africa:
    website: africabrooke.com
    Instagram: / africabrooke
    Her podcasts Beyond the Self and Unfiltered with Africa
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    Read her viral open letter “Why I’m leaving the cult of wokeness” ckarchive.com/b/d0ueh0h67mpd
    Where to find me:
    Get my ebooks: www.ellenfisher.com/ebooks
    My instagram: / ellenfisher
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Комментарии • 141

  • @KatieRingley
    @KatieRingley 2 года назад +139

    Africa is one of the most important voices of our generation to actually bridging the gap, because its not moving from wokeness to republicanism. It's about breaking down all the walls of cognitive biases, and seeing humans for who they are. It's imperative. She's not anti this or anti that. She's pro human and intellectual discourse.

    • @theellenfisherpodcast
      @theellenfisherpodcast  2 года назад +9

      Yesss

    • @kaylanlathrop5469
      @kaylanlathrop5469 2 года назад +3

      Wow love what you have said here, yes!!! People mistake my same feelings on these issues as republicaness, love this!

    • @JordanS-ww4eu
      @JordanS-ww4eu 8 дней назад

      @@theellenfisherpodcastyou’re my best friend I really like you ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

    • @JordanS-ww4eu
      @JordanS-ww4eu 8 дней назад

      @@theellenfisherpodcastyou’re very pretty

  • @Ntjitube
    @Ntjitube 2 года назад +29

    Watching her video with Jordan Peterson woke me up. Ive always thought I was socially aware until that one interview. I was deep within the cult of woeness and soon discovered I found a problem in every single thing, I mean everything. That is unhealthy. I then decided to google "Being woke is problematic" to see if other people thought that way and I was blown away by the small but loud few people I watched online. This is not to say oppression and racism does not exist coz it does but one's entire existence cannot be defined by this.

  • @aliciamojica_
    @aliciamojica_ 2 года назад +71

    As a black person, these conversations are so hard to deal with. I’ve dealt with issues from both sides. People who like me as a black person but don’t like other Black people because of cultural differences and Black people who don’t like other races. I don’t agree with either side and finding people who have that balance similar to mines it’s so difficult to find.

    • @adrianl7147
      @adrianl7147 2 года назад +8

      Healing starts when we stop putting people in boxes. We're all the same.

    • @theofs4456
      @theofs4456 2 года назад +1

      We're all different - that's what we have in common.

    • @adrianl7147
      @adrianl7147 2 года назад +1

      @@theofs4456 If the human species were dogs---we'd all be chihuahuas. There's a brilliant book titled "Racecraft" where the authors talk about how the entire notion of different races is a hoax, a slight of hand. The only way we're going to move forward in this chaos is to recognize that we're all one race. We're all exactly the same.

    • @loric1909
      @loric1909 2 года назад +1

      @@adrianl7147 Is it chihuahuas because we are all shaky, fearful, and snippy? Lol. There's a book I've been wanting to read about this notion you speak of, it's called "One Race, One Blood". Being a biblical Christian, it's like of course! The lightbulb goes off when you go back to our roots, 2 human beings started the entire "race", the human race. It explains on a scientific level how it was possible genetically to get all of our different skin colors from two people. I will look up the book you mentioned as well.

    • @adrianl7147
      @adrianl7147 2 года назад +3

      @@loric1909 lol--more or less! Thanks for the book suggestion and I will definitely check that out (lapsed Catholic here). I recently found Monique Duson online and enjoyed her perspective on CRT---which is promoting some of these divisive and dangerous ideas.

  • @jaedecoleman9584
    @jaedecoleman9584 2 года назад +37

    Thank you for this video, Ellen. As a lifelong vegan and earth lover, I am always expected to be liberal and a thought police (1984). It's wonderful to see others who want peace, conversation, and personal freedom. Keep it up, girl.

  • @hannahtaylor2739
    @hannahtaylor2739 2 года назад +9

    I love this so much. Thank you for seemingly being the only person who is talking about some of the things I am thinking!

  • @birdmaxwell
    @birdmaxwell 2 года назад +14

    an absolutely brilliant & intellectual conversation from two incredible, compassionate & individual thinking women. i rarely get to hear and FEEL the responses and the ‘why’ behind peoples ideas & opinions from the side (even though i don’t even see this as taking a side, just healthy normal yet now rare conversation) that’s been so demonized & made up as the ‘bad guy’ or wrong side. it just confirms & gives language to what i’ve been feeling throughout this and that is that the “bad guys” are most often the misunderstood, misrepresented and actually are the ones underrepresented. also that i can hold multiple truths & i don’t need to pick a side. whether that’s actually realistic or necessary, a lot of times why people ‘change sides’, because we’re told we need to pick one & stick to it before we even get to hear all the infinite nuanced info. anyways thank you both so much, i enjoyed this so much and it’s so needed. also the babies/developing fetuses in the womb having inherent value sparked something within me that i wouldn’t have seen that way if not having heard you share. people are so fast to label and make up their minds & make up MY mind for me about anothers ‘opinion’ or ‘stance’ on something, “what it means” and place them into a group rather than hear their unique and individual perspective & feelings that make up their ‘stance’. i’m sorry most of the world doesn’t open themselves up to others ideas and reasons why and hear their valuable personal experience. most would rather cling to their truth & protect their own ego & stance to avoid any potential discomfort they may feel from challenging their own views than to actually do what’s right rather than what’s accepted as ‘right’. i feel so light, hopeful & refreshed after this. i’m so grateful, thank you ellen for sharing this & africa for all of your intellectual brilliance. i would have never known or expanded on my internal ‘labels’ and assumptions of you if i hadn’t heard your in depth views & been reminded of your humanness that we seem to forget through social media (even though this is still considered that, it’s definitely more insightful, revealing & true than simply words on instagram) thank you and please keeping sharing as it feels right to! i’m excited for part 2 & would love more in depth on your abortion opinions. regardless i remember when you made that post about babies in the womb and found it fascinating & loved the information. people of course made it about which side you’re on about abortion (which you never mentioned) & “what that means” about you. not everything is about political positions, sharing that information, that they’d call “dangerous” to their cause, can change peoples lives in necessary ways. just as you said, pro nuance & sharing of information and not censoring just so it fits & protects a perfectly constructed & limited black & white view of the world & what’s ‘right’ & ‘approved’ by the herd, information to be shared.

  • @foodanon6568
    @foodanon6568 2 года назад +29

    Africa Brooke? Are you kidding me! This is so exciting! You keep getting all these amazing people on your podcasts!!! Can’t wait to watch this 😃

  • @WhitDough
    @WhitDough 2 года назад +3

    Black woman here! And I was super happy to hear voices like this!

  • @HaileysHealth
    @HaileysHealth 2 года назад +6

    Almost 2 hours of such BEAUTIFUL communication! Thank you for this podcast. I agree with these views so strongly, and it made me feel like I'm not alone.

  • @loric1909
    @loric1909 2 года назад +2

    Ellen, this is such an important conversation and I felt it hit deep in my soul, in my heart of what I long for in my life, in my conversations, in our nation, the world. It gives me hope to hear from Africa Brooke that we can change the way we even think about communicating with other people, especially those who are completely different in viewpoint, background, experiences. What I took most from this is that we don't need to hold onto fear and shield ourselves from uncomfortable conversations. Africa talks about the importance of hearing all the ideas rather than repressing them so we can decide what is useful. Repressed bad ideas or harmful ideas can be even more damaging. There is so much in this one and I'm very excited, as a fearful person myself to speak when I could be opposed, which is anytime, to hear more about the work Africa Brooke is doing and hopefully break out of my shell of self censoring.

  • @stephanielight2541
    @stephanielight2541 2 года назад +2

    Self Empowerment allows us to choose how we feel or interact. If we see something that we aren't in alignment with, it is no one else's fault as we are choosing our beliefs. If people begin the journey of self empowerment, we know that each moment we have a choice, and if something surfaces such as triggers, this is an opportunity to integrate/heal and understand our selves on a much deeper level. When we integrate/heal, our perception shifts which creates a completely different experience. Such a beautiful episode. I am so happy that you both share the same perspectives.

  • @hellochicxs5630
    @hellochicxs5630 2 года назад +3

    Ellen, your podcast is one of my favorites!! The topics you speak are awesome

  • @hiashleykelly
    @hiashleykelly 2 года назад +6

    this was a really powerful conversation and I want to thank you both for doing such difficult work

  • @Mystoryscripted1
    @Mystoryscripted1 2 года назад +1

    Thank you Africa and Ellen. I love you both.

  • @HaileysHealth
    @HaileysHealth 2 года назад +1

    Oh, I love the note that Africa started reading at 31:20! That was so well-stated!

  • @kristenmartin677
    @kristenmartin677 2 года назад +2

    This! Thank you for this conversation!

  • @GeorgiaChapa
    @GeorgiaChapa 2 года назад

    I love this! Thank you for introducing me to Africa! Her story is inspiring.

  • @flowinflower1
    @flowinflower1 2 года назад

    Thank you both Ellen & Africa❣️.

  • @stephanielight2541
    @stephanielight2541 2 года назад +8

    On another perspective, The collective is experiencing opportunities through these triggers to heal/integrate. Although it can seem like ( to some) that the "world" is getting worse, but actually it is a transformation where these triggers are brought to the surface to change. The big picture to me is the evolving of our collective, learning how to come together and understand different perspectives.

    • @ASMRyouVEGANyet
      @ASMRyouVEGANyet Месяц назад

      Except that people are not moving forward.

  • @lauriem5089
    @lauriem5089 2 года назад

    Thank you Africa and Ellen 🙏

  • @missygoldstein12
    @missygoldstein12 2 года назад +2

    voices like Brooke are sadly so rare but so incredibly necessary.

  • @basic_CeceRae
    @basic_CeceRae 2 года назад +1

    Tia conversation is not only crucial but the way the both of you went about it was so productive and thought provoking.Well done!

  • @thetruthhurts599
    @thetruthhurts599 2 года назад +3

    Africa's response to Ellen, yesssss, in such a soothing manner.

  • @jenniferg501
    @jenniferg501 2 года назад +1

    Wow, listening to this felt like you were both in my brain articulating my thoughts better than I could've ever done myself by far! What a beautiful, honest, powerful and much needed conversation. Thank you so much for sharing this! I've been on the receiving end of the woke's brutal verbal and emotional abuse. This truth filled conversation squashes the nonsense, gives me hope.

  • @paf2587
    @paf2587 2 года назад +1

    Love these podcasts Ellen! I didn’t expect this sort of content with your brand- but it’s so relevant with how us millennials ( many of us managing families and a career) really need to weight out modernity and things/ideas that have been tested over time and how that allows us to properly orient ourselves in the world.

  • @allisonbarry13
    @allisonbarry13 2 года назад

    Wow, wow, wow! You mentioned in one of your vlogs that if we were going to watch one of your podcasts this would be the one, and you were so right! I loved listening to the two of you talk and it helped me to take a step back and recognize aspects of my life were I was self censoring. Thank you for sharing and I can not wait for part 2❤️❤️

  • @thislifewelive3599
    @thislifewelive3599 2 года назад +2

    I truly loved this podcast actually I was listening to all of them on a long drive I had to take. This one brought tears to my eyes at the end. I just felt so fulfilled to know these conversations are happening and others are critical thinkers too. This conversation is so important to the world at this time. Thank you beautiful souls for coming together 🙏✨ 🔥

  • @julialinares6
    @julialinares6 2 года назад +20

    I could not agree with Africa's views more. I've had very similar opinions for years, but been hesitant to share them because nowadays everyone is supposed to belong to all these "progressive" groups that, in my opinion, only promote more division between members in society.
    Look, I've always used the same analogy to show how the way we're trying to battle discrimination is wrong:
    In school, some PE teachers forced each team to pick at least one girl and at least one chubby kid. The girl or the chubby kid is not going to feel content being reminded that you're the minority and that the rest need to comply with your presence. And, this act of distinction might cause the rest to start to be aware of that difference, and the fact that such difference needs to be noticed.
    This starts when we're kids people. We need to battle this in a wiser way.
    I've felt this discrimination in the past but I'm curious to know if people who have been or are severely discriminated can agree with this view.
    Wonderful episode Ellen and Africa,well done!!

  • @thetruthhurts599
    @thetruthhurts599 2 года назад +9

    An educated mind can never be enslaved.

  • @shannonlwood
    @shannonlwood 2 года назад +2

    Love this❤❤❤

  • @Juanita_RoCa
    @Juanita_RoCa 2 года назад +19

    This episode felt genuinely refreshing to hear. Everything was well explained from both! Awesome 👏🏼👏🏼

  • @jamiepowell9002
    @jamiepowell9002 2 года назад +1

    Love your channel girl ! This is great !

  • @charo8518
    @charo8518 Год назад

    Thank you for talking about the issues no one is willing to talk about! Like everyone else is saying, it feels so refreshing!

  • @lynnbilbrey8823
    @lynnbilbrey8823 Год назад +2

    That is so true. I’m not online as a public figure but I’d like to have more open controversial conversations with friends but I’m hesitant bc I think I may be wrong and they might think I’m a bad person because I respect my friends and their opinions so much and what they say holds value in changing or validating my thoughts. I think if I have a grey area idea that I’m wrong, but I really think topics that are so huge in the media, if they’re so important then most of the time it’s layered and deep and something that needs a conversation

  • @francescam.6999
    @francescam.6999 2 года назад

    Wow. The podcast is getting better and better. You two found words for thoughts I am thinking for a long time and both of you could articulate them so clearly. That gives me hope that there will be room for more conversations like this. I think you opend a door for a lot of people to one the one side be more open to other perspectives and on the other side to have the courage to speak more about what you are really thinking.

  • @juliegaiaschi2049
    @juliegaiaschi2049 2 года назад

    Wow, this podcast is so meaningful and real. Love both sides and the freedom to speak about this topic in a clear and honest manner. Gives me such hope. The question is, what can we do to start to change this culture for the better. How can we phrase things to provide each other with grace and an open mind, to hear both sides. Thanks again for this conversation!

  • @laurenk1853
    @laurenk1853 2 года назад

    Great conversation! Thank you both

  • @universpresent9845
    @universpresent9845 2 года назад +1

    That sounds as common sense to my ears.
    Africa seems to be a really smart woman.
    Thank you Ellen ! Keep going on these wonderful interviews !

  • @meepmoopmeep1
    @meepmoopmeep1 2 года назад

    Amazing conversation! Saying everything I’ve been thinking!

  • @snayemdubu4179
    @snayemdubu4179 8 месяцев назад

    Yhoo!!! Africa you've completely changed my life.

  • @renatocolmanjr
    @renatocolmanjr 2 года назад

    This is so good ! Honestly! Like drinking a tall glass of water in the desert!

  • @shawnavienneau6148
    @shawnavienneau6148 2 года назад

    I absolutely loved this podcast !

  • @venetiabg2995
    @venetiabg2995 2 года назад +1

    I agree with sticking to the facts when talking points about any subject . But think that we need talk about what got us here in a more digital world. Where people are sometimes are more willing to write what the feel than say what the mean . Thank Ellen for the conversation.

  • @angelanico9455
    @angelanico9455 2 года назад +1

    Lovely discussion Ellen and Africa. Thank you for putting into words such important ideas. I can only wish that people will start working on their self resilience and values before they rush to spew harsh words towards everybody in an attempt to create an "utopia-society" where everyone has the same opinion and having another is considered a crime.

  • @TorreWashingtonOfficial
    @TorreWashingtonOfficial 2 года назад

    Love this sooo much

  • @user-yg4cq1lv3n
    @user-yg4cq1lv3n 2 месяца назад

    Thank you for this ❤

  • @ashleybowman3709
    @ashleybowman3709 2 года назад +1

    As a woman working in a male dominated company and also my previous company I have unfortunately struggled but I am over the moon happy that you do not have the same experience ❤️

  • @ngxoxo
    @ngxoxo 2 года назад

    Love these podcasts!super interesting

  • @rishaky
    @rishaky 2 года назад

    THANK YOU!

  • @bries.m3021
    @bries.m3021 2 года назад +23

    I will admit I was a bit apprehensive to listen to this, but Ellen and Africa, you both spoke so eloquently and confidently so I can now say at the end of the video I fully agree with both of your opinions. Very well said, and thank you for having this difficult discussion that so few are willing to have

  • @judithzoe204
    @judithzoe204 2 года назад +1

    I really respect that you’re not afraid to go to certain places with your podcast. A lot of people aren’t willing to do that these days

  • @faithsummerr
    @faithsummerr 2 года назад +5

    Profound discussion. Thank you ladies, for always being authentic and keeping the conversation relevant.

  • @celticmulato2609
    @celticmulato2609 2 года назад

    Very engaging conversation!

  • @ruairidhmcmillan2484
    @ruairidhmcmillan2484 2 года назад

    I hope Africa will become a cornerstone of counterfactual argument, an individual who needs to be heard because she is willing to slow down when faced with a problem, rather than defer to the authority of a collective who in all likelihood are not interested in the welfare of the subject.

  • @ReginaApple007
    @ReginaApple007 2 года назад

    Ellen I love that you are a conservative plant based voice! You hold strong in your beliefs and just show how happy your life is. I don't believe you're in it for profit, because you don't exploit you children or post clickbait like so many others. You truly have light shining through your life.

  • @AG-io5wr
    @AG-io5wr 2 года назад

    I highly recommend getting Gad Saad on the podcast. Cheers.

  • @jeniecejones9896
    @jeniecejones9896 2 года назад +16

    Would have been interesting to hear more about the impact of racial disparities from people with the lived experiences of the legacy government sanctioned racism - such as the lack of basic human rights (housing, education, healthcare, employment, infant mortality, maternal health etc.,. )Where disparites in outcomes are most predictive on the basis of the race even when cross-referenced with other variables and how vocal, aggressive antiracism and direct action shouldn't be the most popular tool in the toolbox until there is parity.

    • @keyboarddancers7751
      @keyboarddancers7751 2 года назад

      Some interesting points there.

    • @TagSpamCop
      @TagSpamCop 2 года назад

      Disparities are most predictive on the basis of class and education, not race.

    • @TagSpamCop
      @TagSpamCop 2 года назад +6

      Go read about how much first and second generation Nigerian, Ghanan, Indian and Chinese people are earning compared to white people. There is no "government sanctioned racism." Cite a single policy that is not racially neutral. You say the words "cross-referenced with other variables" and yet you're selling the univariate conspiracy theory of "systemic racism." Name the "other variables," I dare you.
      "Parity" is a codeword for "equity" which means discrimination to force equal outcomes (yes, we know what this means). The problem you're facing is that the laws _are_ neutral. Proposition 16 in California was _specifically_ intended to legally allow discrimination based on race, gender, etc. They wanted the discrimination protections _removed_. And California, thankfully, shot it down. Which really puts a bullet into the head of this "government sanctioned racism" you think is there. If it existed, "antiracism" (i.e. neoracism) activists wouldn't be demanding the _removal_ of discrimination protections to enact their agenda.
      What you're saying is complete nonsense. People have figured out this game.

    • @Paradox-dy3ve
      @Paradox-dy3ve 2 года назад

      I think about how black people on average have less money or how black people are more likely to be in jail and things like this sometimes. Here's a thought: black people are obviously not inherently inferior to any other race so the disparities can't be chalked up to that. Black people who aren't from America who emigrate here are among the MOST successful demographics of people in the world, so I don't think you can blame America as being racist. Especially considering how successful all other non white immigrant groups tend to be. It's funny how the lack of "basic human rights" you cited are things that anybody who's poor struggles to find for themselves in the world. But they're the types of problems that activists will pretend is a uniquely black problem because certain sections of black culture are really quite poor and crime ridden. What if the reason for these disparities is that a sub culture of criminality and anti education has emerged from certain black communities like gang cultures? Or what's called "growing up on the street"? Like imagine that "hillbilly" culture was much more prevalent in America. We'd see a lot more white poverty and probably drug use and crime (which ironically is on the rise amongst the white demo because of rising poverty in general). I feel like there's an element of what you say that's true but I feel like you're probably inclined to attribute far more responsibility to the legacy of past prejudice than is actually warranted. That's just what it seems like to me. I think of it like this: if a parent raised a kid and fed them WAY to much and the kid ends up obese. That's the parent's fault. But when the kid grows up and doesn't ever get any thinner that's the kid's responsibility. Now some people would fall back in blaming their parent and saying it's "not their fault" that they're fat, it's their parents fault for raising them the way they did (which is true to a degree) but it doesn't change the fact that the responsibility lies with the person to make the change if they want it. The parent isn't controlling the person's eating anymore but you could say "the legacy" of those choices still effect that person today, but if the person is now free to make their own choices it's now their responsibility to make a change if that's what they want. Does my analogy make any sense? I really don't see how anyone could argue that the institutions in America are anything other than openly "pro black" and sometimes "anti white"... all I ever hear in corporations or governments is "anti racist" or "woke" race politics.

  • @queenb44
    @queenb44 2 года назад +12

    INSPIRATIONAL. Ellen, this is your best episode yet! These type of conversations between two respectful, intelligent, courageous parties are going to change the world. I fully agree with her and your stance, I believe the silent majority does too. We must not let the minority MOB have power over us any longer!

  • @keyboarddancers7751
    @keyboarddancers7751 2 года назад

    Now I'm off to listen to Ayishat Akanbi because I'm a man who loves listening to as many inspiring and thoughtful women as possible.

  • @katrynaelizabeth
    @katrynaelizabeth 2 года назад +4

    I really enjoyed this podcast episode. I have definitely felt the underlying pressure to speak/post on topics that I wasn’t knowledgeable on in the past. I resonate with the self sabotage and self censor in many instances in my personal life. This was a very refreshing conversation.

  • @carlypastore
    @carlypastore 2 года назад +1

    Such a wonderful conversation.
    Brave and informed women speaking with compassion and kindness about truly important topics.
    Thank you!

  • @triciam555
    @triciam555 2 года назад +2

    Thank you both for sharing! Such a beautiful conversation❤️

  • @HeyLady08
    @HeyLady08 2 года назад +3

    Wow! This was episode was so refreshing to hear. Africa made so many great points. This podcast keeps getting better and better Ellen!

  • @stephanielight2541
    @stephanielight2541 2 года назад +1

    YESSSS!!!!! So Powerful! I love all of your episodes! What camera are you using? I am a creator and have been shopping around for a good camera.

  • @davisneves
    @davisneves 2 года назад

    ❤️❤️❤️

  • @Ashley-pt7il
    @Ashley-pt7il 2 года назад +3

    🔥🔥You both articulate yourself’s so well. Amazing❤️

  • @MichaelaHutchison
    @MichaelaHutchison 2 года назад +1

    Love this! I've never heard of Africa before so thank you for introducing her to me!

  • @kimmarbo8643
    @kimmarbo8643 2 года назад

    I want to reply to all these little topics! But it would be so long 😭 I felt this way through 2020-2021.

  • @sammyd9270
    @sammyd9270 2 года назад +43

    In the spirit of open conversation, I still really disagree with the sentiment that men should have a say in abortion or especially abortion related laws. Historically, the male species has taken any excuse to exercise their power over women and their bodies. With something as sensitive as abortion, why would we allow actual laws to be written by a group of men that could never possibly experience what’s it’s like to have your own bodily autonomy (basic human rights) stripped away from you? I just personally don’t want a man making authoritarian decisions about my WOMB! But hey! That’s just me! And I still follow Ellen 😊 just as this video is about, I don’t need to agree with everyone to like them lol

    • @EllenFisher
      @EllenFisher 2 года назад +26

      hey there! thanks for sharing. I understand where you are coming from about the historical factor, but I also think it's helpful to look at what is happening currently and use that to discern how we should move forward. For example, I think those in office who are currently making efforts to pass laws regarding abortion restrictions, aren't doing it to 'exert power over women.' I think most are doing it because they truly believe in the inherent value and rights of babies in the womb, and they want to protect babies. Plus there is the factor that there are WOMEN in office who are making efforts to pass abortion restrictions too. So rather than saying men can't have opinions about abortion, let's just look at the arguments that both men and women are making that are differing from our own, and debate the argument. I mainly said that to say, when in conversation with someone, we shouldn't shut them down to say their opinion doesn't matter because they are a man. Instead we should just debate their points. Because for every opinion a man has on the topic, there is a woman who holds the same or similar opinion. The same goes for the topic of wokeism./ white privilege. when someone shuts down a white person's opinion and says "you don't understand because you are just a white person", they are forgetting that the opinion they are shutting down, there are many black people with the same or similar opinion. So let's just argue the point, not put down the person's physical traits that are out of their control.. Because how would you respond to the same points if the person saying it was of a different identity that you hold more valuable? we'd have to argue the actual point. so let's just do that every time. Hope that makes sense where I am coming fro.

    • @maddik3326
      @maddik3326 2 года назад +8

      Maybe this conversation is more about if the government should have control over a woman’s womb?
      I haven’t listened to the whole conversation yet so I really hope I’m not echoing any sentiments already made!

    • @adrianl7147
      @adrianl7147 2 года назад +2

      But it isn't just about you and your body. Thats the other side: there's another life inside you. I'm not pro-life, but it's more complicated than how you state it

    • @cassie_8424
      @cassie_8424 2 года назад +26

      Question for you Ellen: If it isn’t about control over a woman’s body then why does the group of people looking to put abortion laws into place, aka conservative Republicans, also not support access to birth control and sexual education in public schools? Why set fires and take away the fire extinguishers? Look at any statistic about those who actually get abortions and that should answer that question with minimal critical thinking.
      Everyone has opinions on things but I think it’s important to “read the room” and take into consideration the weight of those opinions. That’s great you have black friends that do not have the same experience, but that does not cancel out those who do. It seems more like this episode is your favorite because you’re upset the picture of your baby got comments about why you weren’t speaking up about George Floyd.
      I think I can answer the reason for you: you don’t need to know much to be supportive of those telling you theyre upset about something. If one of your children said, “I don’t matter” you say “OF COURSE you matter “ not “well we all matter, duh.” I think whereas you’re an influencer and a vegan for the animals and planet (self proclaimed), people just thought you were progressive in general and therefore supported other science-based beliefs and basic human rights… little did they know you were an anti-vaxxer and pro- forced birth. 🤷🏻‍♀️

    • @lindamon5101
      @lindamon5101 2 года назад +5

      Abortion must always be an option period. Not birth control. Opportunity.

  • @tlinks11
    @tlinks11 2 года назад

    Tell me why I had chills flowing through and over my body the entire time you both were speaking your truth.
    You are both so inspiring and I thank you deeply for this conversation. It was eye opening and healing for me.

  • @lauriem5089
    @lauriem5089 2 года назад +1

    Can't wait for part 2! Loved it

  • @k.c7655
    @k.c7655 2 года назад +10

    You keep inviting such amazing people!!!! I loved this conversation. I wish Jordan Peterson wasn't so anti-vegan, because it would be great to have him on your podcast as well :(

    • @KatieRingley
      @KatieRingley 2 года назад +9

      I bet she'd still have him! Ellens all about that discourse.

    • @ohwellwhateverr
      @ohwellwhateverr 2 года назад +3

      He’d be up for the discussion, I’m sure.

  • @annie_moon8984
    @annie_moon8984 4 месяца назад

    💐🙌

  • @StephanieMT
    @StephanieMT 2 года назад

    she has an awesome name

  • @chelsea8898
    @chelsea8898 2 года назад +7

    Thank you for discussing so many important topics that many tend to put down without truly listening to the message. Loving your podcast!

  • @kimmarbo8643
    @kimmarbo8643 2 года назад +2

    You should get Andrew on a podcast!

  • @jrrosamond9430
    @jrrosamond9430 2 года назад

    I even have nephew and a cousin in Mississippi that has the same name as I do I could never understand why they give me the same name????

  • @krystle7641
    @krystle7641 2 года назад

    That would be cool if you had Bobby from Bobby’s perspective on your podcast. It would be interesting.

  • @alyssareyes3143
    @alyssareyes3143 2 года назад

    LOVE. HOW TO I SEND THIS TO THE ENTIRE USA.

  • @michelhuss4681
    @michelhuss4681 2 года назад +2

    Its 2022 plz

  • @AmberlyPerez
    @AmberlyPerez 2 года назад +1

    Yesssss Ellen! 🙌🏼

  • @kaymarpee
    @kaymarpee 2 года назад +3

    A white lady living off the land of Hawaii and a British/African gal talk about American culture and why you shouldn't be pressured into commenting on Mauna Kea or George Floyd.

    • @annie_moon8984
      @annie_moon8984 4 месяца назад

      Apparently you missed the entire point of the discussion.

  • @bettytigers
    @bettytigers Год назад

    It's probably best for admirers of you two lovely women's looks just to listen to your discussion, to give us the chance to listen properly to you! (Not that your voices aren't pleasant too!)

  • @jrrosamond9430
    @jrrosamond9430 2 года назад

    I never had twitter

  • @celticmulato2609
    @celticmulato2609 2 года назад

    On a different topic. You should consider inviting A.D. Powell an author on " Passing for what you are".

  • @okok-wd3px
    @okok-wd3px 2 года назад

    The things is, with speaking up and cancel culture (not following or supporting someone anymore when they say something you dont agree with) a lot of influencers in youtube make money with youtube and idem for instagram. When people dont want to follow you anymore, your income goes down, wich is a part of selfcensoreship to. This makes a youtube presence conditional and not just an expression of who you are, you and probably your family depends on the online presence. It is very mutch perform on demand. As making youtube videos is a job, is that not part of the job? That you have to navigate this and it is so complicated because online presence with sharing life and family if so personal. That being said, people have to give you the same grace as you when you share life and family. Standpoints can be shared and received with grace, even when you dont agree. I was very dissapointed with some of you political posts, but i dont have anyone in mijn non online life that agrees with every opinion.

  • @jrrosamond9430
    @jrrosamond9430 2 года назад +1

    I just wanted to say I have never said any thing about her race or ethic now someone took my name over or how do. You say it I envy theft because I never said anything bad to her or nobody in that matter why would I be races my beautiful niece is half black and I love her very much This is why I don't have FACEBOOK I didn't even say anything about no body a matter of fact I barely used Facebook the person who stole my identity and said something I guess because they wouldn't show me where I said something bad love ya I an. I can't believe this love ya Johnny Angel

  • @jrrosamond9430
    @jrrosamond9430 2 года назад

    😫😓😓😓😥😪

  • @TheThelenita
    @TheThelenita 2 года назад +3

    It is not “anti-social” to shut men down on a variety of subjects because there are far too many things they just don’t get and won’t get

  • @leaholiver7404
    @leaholiver7404 2 года назад

    Important topic! It would be great to have Africa speak to these same points with another person of color, someone perhaps who is invested in the perspective of equity from a historical perspective, like in the history of affirmative action-among other political attempts to pivot racial disparity. The quest to just be seen as people regardless of race/ethnicity is a worthy one but comes with a sort of denial of the centuries of oppressive impacts on peoples and the reality of intergenerational trauma and genocides past and present

    • @ohwellwhateverr
      @ohwellwhateverr 2 года назад +2

      You don’t have to be a “person of color” (I find that phrasing very awkward and condescending) to have experience of oppression or genocide. There’s not a race, ethnicity or demographic alive today which hasn’t been targeted by those things. Americans’ view of history is so shallow. Every race has enslaved others and been enslaved themselves. Even today, we have white Ukrainians being chased out of their homeland by a hostile neighbour. It’s misguided to think that black Americans are the only people to have experienced oppression
      (and remember that Africa Brooke didn’t come from that background).

  • @jrrosamond9430
    @jrrosamond9430 2 года назад

    I Never wrote any about tokens to any body I haven't even wrote any down O M G I guess someoneis imposeing to be me talk to u later love always johnny Angel ps this is why I drew all of my money out of my bank

  • @AncientRylanor69
    @AncientRylanor69 Год назад

    g3

  • @thetruthhurts599
    @thetruthhurts599 2 года назад +5

    Let's end racism by consciously and subconsciously being racist.

  • @ASMRyouVEGANyet
    @ASMRyouVEGANyet Месяц назад

    43:23 🫠 this mess been going on for a while