You are correct. I hit 3yrs and 21k miles and this ETorque unit failed while I was up in Canada fishing. Ram desire said the warranty ended 2 days prior to going into the dealers shop. They also would not except the extended warranty and I had to go through that nightmare after I got back. Parts and labor fit the ETorque unit was over $2800 US funds.
@richardgreen5619 I'm nearing the end of my factory warranty and was considering an extended warranty. Please elaborate on my extended warranty wasn't honored.
From a straight "mileage" perspective, lets break it down. MY 2014 RAM average about 18 mpg. So if its a 10% gain, that puts me to 20 mpg (using round numbers) SO if someone keeps the truck for 150,000 miles at an average gasoline cost of $2.50 or so, A conventional Hemi would burn 8,333 gallons or $20,833 of gas.. this "E version" would burn 7,500 gallons or $18,750 of gas. So basically you are "saving" +/- $2,000 over the 150,000 miles IF you keep the truck that long. AGAIN from a PURE mileage vs. Money perspective, it they charge more than $2,000 for this "E" option on the Hemi are you "Saving" ?? I know you can argue, its more torque, better towing, blah blah blah , ALL of the typical Diesel arguemnts...it ALL depends on how YOU use your truck .. .. .. just food for thought
Legend Of I45 or maybe I drive like someone who is TRYING to get good mileage... rather than someone who FEELS more manly because they got to 60 faster than the guy next to them
Have an etorque hemi Ram, it’s a cool operating system. Engine shuts off at lights and you barely flinch coming off the brake and it instantaneously sends power to the engine launching the vehicle forward initially. However I would not suggest buying any advanced technology vehicle without buying extra warranty packages. Adds to the overall vehicle cost obviously.
I test drove one deciding on if I wanted to trade my 19 classic for a 2021 nbs. There is major difference in torque response adding this. It will drift around a corner from a stop and do donuts. Also with traction control off it will spin the tires and fish tail even driving at 20 mph. I just did all this yesterday. Now. Overall I will keep my all steel body. The doors and bed feel cheap since they are now going to aluminum. I'm not sure exactly what all is aluminum but if you see the door panel vibrate when you close the door that's a no thank you. Also I'm 6'4" and the seat position in order for me to have the seat all the way back is a no. You have to have the seat all the way down in order for it to be all the way back and when you do that you feel like you are in a car. When I drive my truck I like to have the seat all the way up and back that way I can see around me better
So the e torque is great in 4 cylinder mode... got it. Was hoping it would add more acceleration torque and boost to help with fuel consumption while towing. Like uphill going through the Cajon pass for those in SoCal that are familiar with that stretch of highway.
I have a 2020 Silverado and a 2021 Ram. The 5.3 in the Silverado does the restart using the starter motor. The Ram Hemi uses the e-Torque motor for the restart. The Ram restart after auto-stop is noticeably quieter and smoother than the Silverado restart.
So I just traded in a 2020 Laramie quad cab and as far as I can tell it had 395 HP and 410 torque. Just bought a 2021 Laramie crew cab 5.7 etorque and the specs are the still 410 etorque. This video says it adds another 130 ft torque but that doesn’t appear to be the case.
It doesn't add anything. It bumps the motor out of it's low rpm deadzone. When it "bumps" the motor from a dead stop it turns the rear tire one half a turn before shutting back off and turning it back over to the engine. It doesn't run in conjunction with the 410 torque of r hemi. It shuts off as the motor builds power. It's not useful for truck reasons. It's for ritzy upper class folks that fantasize about being truck users as they drive from their gated community to their classy restaurant. Those people are what it's for. Not you or me
Whoever was shooting your videos (both this interview and the Ram 1900 overview) - don't film/track like the human eye tracks a scene... it's so jarring as a viewer (because I'm trying to consume details in the shot as you jerk/pan/move/walk forward/step back/pan down) - hold shots steady and a fit farther away than you'd a viewer would want you to. Awesome content though!
I went to look at a 2024 Bighorn, 5.7 with the your getting etorque whether you like it or not, tried to keep an open mind, but popped the hood and that golf cart motor on top of that Hemi just made me….sad. That truck next to my 2016 just looks and sounds….sad. The system is removing the balls from everyone and everything. Dam shame. It’s the dysfunctional government imposing ridiculous net mpg ratings.
That's exactly what it is! Its so demasculating and belittling. I have a 2022 ram 1500 e-torque v6. I feel like it got neutered. So unamerican. I'm looking around youtube right now on how to swap these things out with an SRT-10 or Hellcat V8. Then I'm going to remove all the CATs. Then I'm going to rip out that stupid auto engine off while idle feature.
When RAM put this type of technology on a vehicle they should cover it parts and labor replacement for the life of the truck. If it is so good then warranty it for ever?
2020 Ram 1500 5.7 limited etorque generator gone bad 12897miles on it, truck has been sitting at the dealer for almost a month. How can this happen to a $60000 truck and why is this part on back order? Also can a 5.7 with etorque be converted to a conventional alternator?
I've been trying to get an answer to this as well. Mechanically, I don't think it would be too difficult to completely remove the entire e-Torque system including the 48V battery. The hardest part would be reprogramming the computers.
Garbage components. Already replaced the etorque tension torque converter 3 times. And there is no special tool to compress the tensioner to get in place… absolute garbage
This would probably be ok if all one did was maybe tow a small boat or just need a pickup truck for some other reason. I do know this much for sure, It's has not been reliable for farm use. Dust and dirt infiltration into the electric motor/alternator unit probably played a significant role in failures that are very costly to repair.
Very possible. That is what keeps me from Fords Ecoboost too. The Ecoboost sounds WAY too expensive to repair, from what a friend with an F150 told me. Although this Dodge system is an add-on option where the motor can probably work without it. Ford's is dependent on the turbo-style eco-system just to run.
What on Earth are you talking about "turbo-style eco-system"? huh..whaaaat? lol I think I understand what you are saying but not exactly. A engine with turbochargers is obviously going to be more complex than an engine without but that is not the whole picture: Ford's Ecoboost setup in the F150 has 2 fewer cylinders and typical repairs on it shouldn't cost more than on the 5.0,..sans the turbos and related hardware. That aside, I don't think this mild hybrid setup on the Dodge would work very well if it failed because he said that it also takes the place of the alternator. I guess if the 48 volt side of the system is charged up,.. you could go awhile but we'll have to see when this thing comes out. I would prefer to see the electric motors in hybrid setups in the transmission itself (like the Powersplit in Toyota Hybrids) but maybe this won't be as unreliable and costly to maintain as people think. One more thing, turbo engines CAN run with failed turbos. How do I know that? because its happened to me. lol.
I guess only time will tell but there’s a good chance it will be reliable. People were afraid of the electronics in the Prius when it launched. My 2004 with 145k miles has been 100% reliable. It even has the original batteries.
Indeed. The thing about that is MG1 and MG2 are in the transmission and bathed in oil to help keep them cool. I have read something that the oil seems to break down around the 60k mark and could cause the winding insulation on MG1 and MG2 to deteriorate. I never did look further into that but that's the gist. One of my cars happens to be a 17 Rav4 Hybrid (which I love) and if I wind up keeping it that long, I might chase that thought process further down the road. How often have you changed the oil in your transmission? Not sure about this setup in the dodge but I'm assuming that it is air cooled.
I’m embarrassed to say my car has been neglected. Everything other than engine oil/filter, wiper blades, tires and air filter is original. Still, I’d get in it right now and trust it to go coast to coast. I do plan on changing spark plugs, fluids and brakes this year. Thanks for the tip about the trans fluid. I’ll have to look into that. I’ve read that the v8 eTorque is air cooled and the v6 is liquid cooled. Not sure why they did that.
Popular mechanic magazine I think it was published just this about 18 yeas ago. It was advertised for $ 360 to mount in a place of alternator.It was expensive I thought back than......
I test drove it twice honestly didn’t even know the engine stopped and started. It was so quick no pause hitting the gas as soon as I lifted my foot off the brake it was already ready to go.
Same here 11K+ miles...runs like a dream. 👍👍 Best car/truck I've ever driven. Wish the throttle was a tiny bit smoother tho, but quiet on startup like he said, and accelerates effortlessly. ❤️ it.
HemingwaysMojito looking at one myself. Hard to find long term reviews still though, from what I have seen. Hard to find a truck that I like without that system too though.
I turn mine off.. the reason I bought a ram is cause they let you turn it off unlike the competitors.. I own a 19 limited and its s bad ass beautiful truck just gotta see how long she lasts
To call it a hybrid is a stretch. I have a 2022 pentastar v6 etorque. If it's on it operates like an EV when stop. Once you get going, it drops out somewhere between 1-2k rpm. Not really a significant gain in gas mileage. What I noticed is that if you don't wait a full 3 seconds or more after you come to a stop, the vehicle will give one hard jerk sometimes when you go to accelerate. Took it in for service at dealership and was told that is an inherent problem with the system. So far I'm at 30k with no other issues. Got my fingers crossed.
Bought an $80,000 2024 Ram 1500 Rebel a couple of months ago. I was able to drive it for about three weeks and 1,340 miles, before the eTorque system went out, Vehicle spit and sputtered while driving, then died completely, and wouldn't fire up. It would crank, albeit slowly, but would not fire up. It has been in the ship for almost four weeks, and RAM cannot figure out how to fix it. The first replacement starter/motor/generator blew about 10 minutes after the tech installed it. Just this morning, the dealership was told to order the PCM, but doesn't believe that will solve my issue. Long-time Diamler-Chryslere, FCA, and Stellantis customer, but I have my severe doubts now.
Just got mine 2 days ago and to me the start stop is not seamless, you can tell. I will say it's not as jerky as some cars I've been in. Also while stop, it will start backup due to other system demands, so if you're at a 5 minute stop... maybe half of that stop the motor is off.
Still don’t understand how the power from the eTorque system is transferred into assist the engine? Does it store energy? Does it actually help power the engine? Or, does it just power the electric system? Does the truck still have a traditional starter motor? Need more details!
There is a 48V battery behind the back seat. It powers a large electric motor which is connected to the gasoline engine with a belt. It is used for both restarts and for torque assist of the gasoline engine. If I have it right the large electric motor recharges the 48V battery when it is not doing either of those two things. (Normal startups are still done with the conventional starter and 12V battery.)
Dodge can't make a transmission that a will last 100K but we're suppose to believe this electric hamster wheel wont throw error codes after a year or two...
Wanna bet? I have a 2012 Dodge Charger RT (base 5.7 Hemi) she has 192,000+ with the original tranny and engine and runs smooth … that car is now 13 years old on the road! I just bought a 2021 1500 Etorque (3.6) with just 17k miles on it … I’m loyal to brand because they make a good product, American product at that …
I had my eyes on a beautiful 2022 Ram Bighorn that had the 5.7 e-torque. I would have bought it because its a beautiful truck but I worry about that battery failing one day. I wish it was just the regular 5.7. Sorry Ram.
If the 48v battery fails it won't let the 12v crank the engine unless they have updated over the past couple years. Plenty of stories online about people having to have the truck towed to the dealership and the problem being the 48v battery being shorted with no other issues. Battery replacement and it's back to normal. The first years had customers without their truck for weeks because of a "shortage" of 48v batteries. They had the batteries but were sending very few to dealers for parts and using the rest on the assembly line.
Sounds cool until it breaks! Being a Dodge it WILL break. Really cool engine but the break pedals fall off and the power steering fails. This is the state of vehicles in 2019. All this tech but the most simple things are faulty that they could have nailed 50 plus years ago. All emphasis goes into fuel economy and horsepower ratings and no emphasis is put into longevity or actual quality. And as expensive as it is, you just have to work the truck twice as hard now to pay it off consuming twice the fuel and exposing the driver to twice the crash risk even though there are state of the art airbags.
tubeyourself It’s called Entropy. The tractor produced more crops but the tractor does not last forever. The change in the price of the crops equalizes the math to zero gain. A local delivery driver in 1935 made 15 stops a day with a $700 Ford panel truck that lasts five years and 50,000 miles. In 2019 they make 50 stops a day with a $35,000 Mercedes van that lasts 10 years and 500,000 miles. The change in price of getting something delivered evens out the math to exactly the same.
About as mild as you can get for a hybrid system! Now sandwich a 240V system between the engine & trans for the next evo! And please tell my 4 cyl mode is constantly varying which ones are firing so the aluminum cylindar heads do not warp at warp speed!
absolutely destroyed their vehicles with this mess. Cost $10,000+ in repairs down the road for absolutely nothing, remove start stop, remove this shit and you have a great vehicle. I hate this generation so much.
oh, me me me... It lasts until warranty :) like scotty kilmer says, "planned obsolescence" You know the service department is where the dealership makes the most of its free cash flow.
@@spoolin55psi So if you live in a hot climate where you run AC all the time, then the engine will never shut down at a stoplight? So there would be no benefit?
@@dougefresh123 mine seems to work that way if temp is set to LO it won’t shut off at lights same with the heat temp set to max. But my buddies ford will still shut down no matter the setting
@@k.c.marshall921 I did wind up getting a 2021 Laramie sport package, and 4x4 off road package with 3:92 gears and it doesn't have the etorque. Maybe the way I have my truck set up, you have the option. But I do know a few months back when I was trying to build one with the night edition, I didn't have the option. Your best bet is to get in touch with your local dealer.
That is one slick system. Nice to hear it fills in during 4 cylinder mode and off the line with that 150+ ft/lbs of torque. The regenerative capture, nice. I think it would be quite reliable. Just keep it dry, free of oil leaks, and maintain the batteries! I'd buy it👍
@@juliemathis1065 right. I'm an A.I ...we are entering a whole new world of paranoia here I know but... lol c'mon. you just discredited a 4 fucking year old comment on the grounds that I'm a computer... Jesus man😅
@jasonneal so you are saying when you are cruising down the highway on a trip you don't want the benefit of staying in 4 cylinder mode to get twice the MPG and would rather stay in 8 for no reason and use more fuel? Are you an idiot? Today I took my new 2023 with etorque on its forst trip amd when I was doing 60-80km/hr it would go into 4 cylinder mode for Kilometers and stay at 28-37mpg so thats huge. My 2015 without Etorque would barely ever go into 4 cylinders and if it did it was for seconds and didn't really even boost MPG.
I was gonna go down and plop $60k + in cash I made off the market till saw the e- dork stuff ...how long does the lithium battery last ? my cell phone lasts about 5 years and how much is the batt replace gonna be
I have to agree with some comments with OUT OF WARRANTY REPAIRS ! Firstly, what's the cost of 48V Batteries for this E-Torque system when you have to replace it ?? Secondly, what will it cost the consumer to fix an E-Torque system out of warranty ?? It's not like you can take the vehicle to a garage up the street OR around the corner and get it fixed at a discounted rate !! Definitely a dealer monopolized special repair that will cost the consumer a small fortune !! Their goes all the money you just saved in E-Torque fuel savings over the years in just one repair bill !! Accordingly, I always understood that most engine damage occurs when starting a fuel engine ?? These engines are now stopping & starting hundreds of times per day with this new E-Torque system ? I would just stay with the straight 5.7 L Hemi option without the E-Torque system !!
lew scagnetti once an engine is running the start and stop isnt so hard on it its the COLD starts or DRY starts that do most of the engine wear. if an engine has been sitting for say 8 hours and its time to drive home, thats considered a dry start. I agree on just another thing to go wrong. marketing gimmick. lots of peple want a bigger engine than hemi 5.7. So last thing they interested in is saving 2 mpg. My guess is most want a larger engine to tow their trailers without getting into large diesel
Yeah I'll be hacking this and taking advantage of this higher electrical power option. Question, why can't I have this on the 6.4 Hemi? Or the 3.0 TDI?
I don’t know if I’m down with my engine shutting down at a light or stop. Ford does that. with the rental I’ve driven where I’m on debt at is sketchy as fuck once it’s been around the block awhile. I love the truck but def not gonna add this feature. At least not until I see some test drive video to get a better understanding.
Ram is innovative but wish they would just bring the quality of parts they used up. Shouldn't have a fuel pump go bad 1000 miles out of power-train warranty. (37000 miles)
All you guys saying another thing to break... it’s Been 2 years now and I’ve never heard of one problem with it at all... this also gives the engine 110 more pound feet of torque or something like that. That’s pretty damn good!! No one keeps new trucks longer then 10 years anyway!
Battery isn't too expensive. It's a much smaller system then a full electric power bank. And it replaces just like any other battery, just weighs a hell of a lot, so bring a friend.
April 2021 bought a ram 5.7 etorque..At a stop light I just let the etorque push me off the line ,then I use acceleration,,,pretty slick system and barely noticeable...my wife has a Toyota pruis and camry(hybrid ,,but as usual the Japanese are ahead on technology....Very impressed with new ram,,I sold 2011 f150 ecoboost
Could this be a Mopar part that could be added to 2014-onwards? Maybe not the exact version since the engine has probably had some work done but something that could make the hemi 5.7 get at least 22mpg. Because this or something like this would be a great alternative to a turbo or supercharger, while still keeping the warenty and trusted Mopar parts on the hemi. Maybe a cheep one and middle one and a super power easset called idk like "hell asset" or the electric demon hah
Petey Pineapples essentially it is. It should wear out the thicker belt any faster than a normal serpentine belt. We the truck is slowing down it breaks the truck through the engine. The is the least complicated way to make a vehicle a hybrid and shouldnt hurt the engine or transmission at all.
Yup, it will wear out like shit! And it is actually one of the more complicated ways to make a hybrid. A dual motor set up like in the Pacifica would be the easiest and most durable option. But, what would I know, it's not like making the first and actual hybrid for the largest car/truck market segment in the US should be of any interest to FCA.
toyotaprius79 I think it was the easiest/cheapest way for them to do it. As fast as it'll wear, time for an oil change, rotation, and new acc belt...$400 please...lol
If they have a tuner that you can use it all all the time or at wide open throttle it will be cool I'm pretty sure I saw GM has something similar but I believe it was only available in California or something
@@Salvitrojan7 i can disable the cylinder deactivation on my 2017 by shifting with "manual" mode. Just set it to 8 and it shifts normally but doesn't drop to 4 cylinders. Unfortunately you have to rinse and repeat every time you shift out of drive.
Looks like Mike had a train to catch. You may wanna get someone who isn't in a hurry next time. Just a thought. Searching for elaboration on any of his answers? Look elsewhere! LOL!
Ugg, more bullshit electronics to fail and be ridiculous to have repaired. Just build simple fucking vehicles...this goes for all manufacturers. Not everyone wants all that electronic bullshit.
It's a big aircraft starter belted to the engine? How much engineering did it take? Look at the technology in everyone else's engines, and the still don't get impressive mpg.
When I saw this on my truck, I knew it was a must to add the extended warranty.
You are correct. I hit 3yrs and 21k miles and this ETorque unit failed while I was up in Canada fishing. Ram desire said the warranty ended 2 days prior to going into the dealers shop. They also would not except the extended warranty and I had to go through that nightmare after I got back. Parts and labor fit the ETorque unit was over $2800 US funds.
@richardgreen5619 I'm nearing the end of my factory warranty and was considering an extended warranty. Please elaborate on my extended warranty wasn't honored.
@@richardgreen5619the etorque system is covered under the 8 year warranty so that’s odd they tied it to the 36.
I would rather just spend a few more dollars on gas than to have to worry about how much it will cost to get this fixed when it craps out.
@SkywallGuttz and he didn't pay a dollar because that's covered by warranty.
Beeing Its a fiat I'm sure it will need replacement right after the warranty ends.
@@colemiller3900 and he wasted his time to visit a dealership.
Exactly. In fact your only gaining 1 more MPG. Not worth it. And you can’t do any power mods
$15,000
From a straight "mileage" perspective, lets break it down. MY 2014 RAM average about 18 mpg. So if its a 10% gain, that puts me to 20 mpg (using round numbers) SO if someone keeps the truck for 150,000 miles at an average gasoline cost of $2.50 or so, A conventional Hemi would burn 8,333 gallons or $20,833 of gas.. this "E version" would burn 7,500 gallons or $18,750 of gas. So basically you are "saving" +/- $2,000 over the 150,000 miles IF you keep the truck that long. AGAIN from a PURE mileage vs. Money perspective, it they charge more than $2,000 for this "E" option on the Hemi are you "Saving" ?? I know you can argue, its more torque, better towing, blah blah blah , ALL of the typical Diesel arguemnts...it ALL depends on how YOU use your truck .. .. .. just food for thought
Mike D you must drive like a grandpa
Mike D or purely highway driving
Legend Of I45 or maybe I drive like someone who is TRYING to get good mileage... rather than someone who FEELS more manly because they got to 60 faster than the guy next to them
I hate dip-shits that want to impede traffic because they want to save .15 per gallon of gas.
And will it need a different, more expensive battery? That would alter your calculations.
Sounds like something else that can break !!!!
This is the least it can break in today modern day engine
Except this 1 part will probably cost 2-3k
Have an etorque hemi Ram, it’s a cool operating system. Engine shuts off at lights and you barely flinch coming off the brake and it instantaneously sends power to the engine launching the vehicle forward initially. However I would not suggest buying any advanced technology vehicle without buying extra warranty packages. Adds to the overall vehicle cost obviously.
Exactly
The narrator: In fact the cars caught fire
will this help me spin the tires
Yes, until your lifter bearings fail an Destroy your cam shaft.
@@jacobsebastien3910 🤣🤣🤣
ROTFLMMAO 🤣
No quema cuh.
I test drove one deciding on if I wanted to trade my 19 classic for a 2021 nbs. There is major difference in torque response adding this. It will drift around a corner from a stop and do donuts. Also with traction control off it will spin the tires and fish tail even driving at 20 mph. I just did all this yesterday. Now. Overall I will keep my all steel body. The doors and bed feel cheap since they are now going to aluminum. I'm not sure exactly what all is aluminum but if you see the door panel vibrate when you close the door that's a no thank you. Also I'm 6'4" and the seat position in order for me to have the seat all the way back is a no. You have to have the seat all the way down in order for it to be all the way back and when you do that you feel like you are in a car. When I drive my truck I like to have the seat all the way up and back that way I can see around me better
So the e torque is great in 4 cylinder mode... got it. Was hoping it would add more acceleration torque and boost to help with fuel consumption while towing. Like uphill going through the Cajon pass for those in SoCal that are familiar with that stretch of highway.
it does add more tq at low speeds for towing
e torq does not work in 4 cyl mode
I wouldn't tell people your from California, they might get the wrong idea Lol
So it can remain in 4 cylinder mode longer. Translation: more cylinder cooling, carbon, and cam and lifter issues.
What year did it begin standard on the v6
I have a 2020 Silverado and a 2021 Ram. The 5.3 in the Silverado does the restart using the starter motor. The Ram Hemi uses the e-Torque motor for the restart. The Ram restart after auto-stop is noticeably quieter and smoother than the Silverado restart.
So I just traded in a 2020 Laramie quad cab and as far as I can tell it had 395 HP and 410 torque. Just bought a 2021 Laramie crew cab 5.7 etorque and the specs are the still 410 etorque. This video says it adds another 130 ft torque but that doesn’t appear to be the case.
It doesn't add anything. It bumps the motor out of it's low rpm deadzone. When it "bumps" the motor from a dead stop it turns the rear tire one half a turn before shutting back off and turning it back over to the engine. It doesn't run in conjunction with the 410 torque of r hemi. It shuts off as the motor builds power. It's not useful for truck reasons. It's for ritzy upper class folks that fantasize about being truck users as they drive from their gated community to their classy restaurant. Those people are what it's for. Not you or me
It adds 130 ft/lbs, but down low. Won’t change the top end number. You just get it sooner
@@edhughes1591 you know what gets you there sooner? Less throttle lag.
@@corndogg78 ok? And?
Wonder what will be the cost to fix the e-torque system if it malfunctions. What's the cost of the e-torque?
$800
@@JD-yx7be And $3000 to repair...LOL
That’s why I made sue I got the extra warranty for up to 8 years 125,000
On the bright side - it isn't buried under the engine :)
Government requires them to have a 80,000 mile warranty on it
wish the interviewer would have just asked the guy how the thing works then let him explain instead of interrupting.
That 2016 silverado Mild hybrid tech sure is revolutionary
They should've left that trash with GM. Totally worthless gimmick
Whoever was shooting your videos (both this interview and the Ram 1900 overview) - don't film/track like the human eye tracks a scene... it's so jarring as a viewer (because I'm trying to consume details in the shot as you jerk/pan/move/walk forward/step back/pan down) - hold shots steady and a fit farther away than you'd a viewer would want you to. Awesome content though!
Riyad Kalla this reminds me of the Videographics used in "the office " TV show
He’s doing independent on the fly interviews.
I went to look at a 2024 Bighorn, 5.7 with the your getting etorque whether you like it or not, tried to keep an open mind, but popped the hood and that golf cart motor on top of that Hemi just made me….sad. That truck next to my 2016 just looks and sounds….sad. The system is removing the balls from everyone and everything. Dam shame. It’s the dysfunctional government imposing ridiculous net mpg ratings.
That's exactly what it is! Its so demasculating and belittling. I have a 2022 ram 1500 e-torque v6. I feel like it got neutered. So unamerican. I'm looking around youtube right now on how to swap these things out with an SRT-10 or Hellcat V8. Then I'm going to remove all the CATs. Then I'm going to rip out that stupid auto engine off while idle feature.
When RAM put this type of technology on a vehicle they should cover it parts and labor replacement for the life of the truck. If it is so good then warranty it for ever?
@Devon Orr you got life time? How?
This is a beautiful truck that I would love to own but Would be afraid of anything breaking down after the warranty.
100% valid fear
Could I put this in my V6 Charger it's the same engine
2020 Ram 1500 5.7 limited etorque generator gone bad 12897miles on it, truck has been sitting at the dealer for almost a month. How can this happen to a $60000 truck and why is this part on back order?
Also can a 5.7 with etorque be converted to a conventional alternator?
I've been trying to get an answer to this as well. Mechanically, I don't think it would be too difficult to completely remove the entire e-Torque system including the 48V battery. The hardest part would be reprogramming the computers.
@@scottcpan68 thank you for reply and your right it doesn’t seem to hard it’s probably about dealerships getting off their ass to do it
I see an etorque powered go cart in my future!
It’s an option on the hemi
Garbage components. Already replaced the etorque tension torque converter 3 times. And there is no special tool to compress the tensioner to get in place… absolute garbage
This would probably be ok if all one did was maybe tow a small boat or just need a pickup truck for some other reason. I do know this much for sure, It's has not been reliable for farm use. Dust and dirt infiltration into the electric motor/alternator unit probably played a significant role in failures that are very costly to repair.
Seems like something that will break and cost the owner out of warranty 2-3k to fix/replace.
Very possible. That is what keeps me from Fords Ecoboost too. The Ecoboost sounds WAY too expensive to repair, from what a friend with an F150 told me. Although this Dodge system is an add-on option where the motor can probably work without it. Ford's is dependent on the turbo-style eco-system just to run.
What on Earth are you talking about "turbo-style eco-system"? huh..whaaaat? lol
I think I understand what you are saying but not exactly. A engine with turbochargers is obviously going to be more complex than an engine without but that is not the whole picture: Ford's Ecoboost setup in the F150 has 2 fewer cylinders and typical repairs on it shouldn't cost more than on the 5.0,..sans the turbos and related hardware.
That aside, I don't think this mild hybrid setup on the Dodge would work very well if it failed because he said that it also takes the place of the alternator. I guess if the 48 volt side of the system is charged up,.. you could go awhile but we'll have to see when this thing comes out. I would prefer to see the electric motors in hybrid setups in the transmission itself (like the Powersplit in Toyota Hybrids) but maybe this won't be as unreliable and costly to maintain as people think.
One more thing, turbo engines CAN run with failed turbos. How do I know that? because its happened to me. lol.
I guess only time will tell but there’s a good chance it will be reliable.
People were afraid of the electronics in the Prius when it launched. My 2004 with 145k miles has been 100% reliable. It even has the original batteries.
Indeed. The thing about that is MG1 and MG2 are in the transmission and bathed in oil to help keep them cool. I have read something that the oil seems to break down around the 60k mark and could cause the winding insulation on MG1 and MG2 to deteriorate. I never did look further into that but that's the gist. One of my cars happens to be a 17 Rav4 Hybrid (which I love) and if I wind up keeping it that long, I might chase that thought process further down the road. How often have you changed the oil in your transmission?
Not sure about this setup in the dodge but I'm assuming that it is air cooled.
I’m embarrassed to say my car has been neglected. Everything other than engine oil/filter, wiper blades, tires and air filter is original.
Still, I’d get in it right now and trust it to go coast to coast.
I do plan on changing spark plugs, fluids and brakes this year.
Thanks for the tip about the trans fluid. I’ll have to look into that.
I’ve read that the v8 eTorque is air cooled and the v6 is liquid cooled. Not sure why they did that.
Popular mechanic magazine I think it was published just this about 18 yeas ago. It was advertised for $ 360 to mount in a place of alternator.It was expensive I thought back than......
Very happy this is an option and not mandatory on the Hemi. I don't care about fuel economy. Start & Stop is garbage. I'd rather have more HP
Young and dumb...
I test drove it twice honestly didn’t even know the engine stopped and started. It was so quick no pause hitting the gas as soon as I lifted my foot off the brake it was already ready to go.
I agree. I own a 2019 Ram 1500 Laramie Longhorn. I turn it off.
Oh it is now and in 2025 no more Hemi. In the old days you could decide for yourself how many cylinders your car would have.
I just bought a 2019 ram 1500 limited with E torque love it!!
How are ya liking it a year later?
Any performance update to share?
Same here 11K+ miles...runs like a dream. 👍👍 Best car/truck I've ever driven. Wish the throttle was a tiny bit smoother tho, but quiet on startup like he said, and accelerates effortlessly. ❤️ it.
HemingwaysMojito looking at one myself. Hard to find long term reviews still though, from what I have seen. Hard to find a truck that I like without that system too though.
I turn mine off.. the reason I bought a ram is cause they let you turn it off unlike the competitors.. I own a 19 limited and its s bad ass beautiful truck just gotta see how long she lasts
We really wanted to focus on durability and efficiently BUT we really focused on efficiency and technology.......
We have a great new product and it's going to be more efficient , BUT we have no idea how much it will cost OR how much it will save you mpg wise !!!
He should've asked for a ruff estimate on how long the battery would last with the recharging system in place.
Roughly 100k. $5000 pricetag to replace the 48V battery pack. Not including generator on the engine.
We are at this weird time in history when American trucks have more technology than German midsize SUVs. And look better.
You think this looks better than a bmw x5 or x6 your out of your mind
More tech than a German midsize SUV?? lmao..............current day or 20 years ago??
This truck is s550 benz of trucks
@@seedsoutdoors3721 lol What? X5 looks like every other crossover out there. X6 Just looks a oversized Sedan.
@@DragonKnightX12 okay you take your Nissan and keep telling people you bought it cause it looks just like a BMW
So eTorque can help offroad??? Or will having the start/stop disengaged ruin the benefit?
To call it a hybrid is a stretch. I have a 2022 pentastar v6 etorque. If it's on it operates like an EV when stop. Once you get going, it drops out somewhere between 1-2k rpm. Not really a significant gain in gas mileage. What I noticed is that if you don't wait a full 3 seconds or more after you come to a stop, the vehicle will give one hard jerk sometimes when you go to accelerate. Took it in for service at dealership and was told that is an inherent problem with the system. So far I'm at 30k with no other issues. Got my fingers crossed.
Bought an $80,000 2024 Ram 1500 Rebel a couple of months ago. I was able to drive it for about three weeks and 1,340 miles, before the eTorque system went out, Vehicle spit and sputtered while driving, then died completely, and wouldn't fire up. It would crank, albeit slowly, but would not fire up. It has been in the ship for almost four weeks, and RAM cannot figure out how to fix it. The first replacement starter/motor/generator blew about 10 minutes after the tech installed it. Just this morning, the dealership was told to order the PCM, but doesn't believe that will solve my issue. Long-time Diamler-Chryslere, FCA, and Stellantis customer, but I have my severe doubts now.
Its just a big alternator that can spin up to help drive the belt. Old folks get scared when they hear hybrid but this is a ultra simple system.
Good interviewer. Meaningful questions.
Just got mine 2 days ago and to me the start stop is not seamless, you can tell. I will say it's not as jerky as some cars I've been in. Also while stop, it will start backup due to other system demands, so if you're at a 5 minute stop... maybe half of that stop the motor is off.
Still don’t understand how the power from the eTorque system is transferred into assist the engine? Does it store energy? Does it actually help power the engine? Or, does it just power the electric system? Does the truck still have a traditional starter motor? Need more details!
There is a 48V battery behind the back seat. It powers a large electric motor which is connected to the gasoline engine with a belt. It is used for both restarts and for torque assist of the gasoline engine. If I have it right the large electric motor recharges the 48V battery when it is not doing either of those two things. (Normal startups are still done with the conventional starter and 12V battery.)
@@allenw969Thank you Allen!
I love my RAM 2020 no e-torque but she has plenty of it😁👍
Dodge can't make a transmission that a will last 100K but we're suppose to believe this electric hamster wheel wont throw error codes after a year or two...
Wanna bet? I have a 2012 Dodge Charger RT (base 5.7 Hemi) she has 192,000+ with the original tranny and engine and runs smooth … that car is now 13 years old on the road! I just bought a 2021 1500 Etorque (3.6) with just 17k miles on it … I’m loyal to brand because they make a good product, American product at that …
I had my eyes on a beautiful 2022 Ram Bighorn that had the 5.7 e-torque. I would have bought it because its a beautiful truck but I worry about that battery failing one day. I wish it was just the regular 5.7. Sorry Ram.
The best thing that ever happened to the used car market is the insanity of the new car market
If the 48v battery fails it won't let the 12v crank the engine unless they have updated over the past couple years. Plenty of stories online about people having to have the truck towed to the dealership and the problem being the 48v battery being shorted with no other issues. Battery replacement and it's back to normal. The first years had customers without their truck for weeks because of a "shortage" of 48v batteries. They had the batteries but were sending very few to dealers for parts and using the rest on the assembly line.
so it's not a super charger like I thought. just a huge alternator/starter
Sounds cool until it breaks! Being a Dodge it WILL break. Really cool engine but the break pedals fall off and the power steering fails. This is the state of vehicles in 2019. All this tech but the most simple things are faulty that they could have nailed 50 plus years ago. All emphasis goes into fuel economy and horsepower ratings and no emphasis is put into longevity or actual quality. And as expensive as it is, you just have to work the truck twice as hard now to pay it off consuming twice the fuel and exposing the driver to twice the crash risk even though there are state of the art airbags.
tubeyourself It’s called Entropy. The tractor produced more crops but the tractor does not last forever. The change in the price of the crops equalizes the math to zero gain. A local delivery driver in 1935 made 15 stops a day with a $700 Ford panel truck that lasts five years and 50,000 miles. In 2019 they make 50 stops a day with a $35,000 Mercedes van that lasts 10 years and 500,000 miles. The change in price of getting something delivered evens out the math to exactly the same.
So someone explain me, why my 2024 Ram Rebel Etorque only gaves me 14 mpg?
If it shuts off at red lights, what if you want to park and wait for someone? Does it shut off then? Does the A/C turns off as well?
About as mild as you can get for a hybrid system! Now sandwich a 240V system between the engine & trans for the next evo! And please tell my 4 cyl mode is constantly varying which ones are firing so the aluminum cylindar heads do not warp at warp speed!
absolutely destroyed their vehicles with this mess. Cost $10,000+ in repairs down the road for absolutely nothing, remove start stop, remove this shit and you have a great vehicle. I hate this generation so much.
One thing that should of been said...how much to replace and what's the life expectancy of the alternator
oh, me me me... It lasts until warranty :) like scotty kilmer says, "planned obsolescence" You know the service department is where the dealership makes the most of its free cash flow.
Can it keep the air conditioning running? When you're staying still?
When the ac or heat is on it won’t do the start stop
@@spoolin55psi So if you live in a hot climate where you run AC all the time, then the engine will never shut down at a stoplight? So there would be no benefit?
@@dougefresh123 mine seems to work that way if temp is set to LO it won’t shut off at lights same with the heat temp set to max. But my buddies ford will still shut down no matter the setting
So the “start stops” are usually deleted. How to delete that?
What's the cost when it breaks?
its not optional. I just tried building a 1500 Laramie with the dark edition, and it automatically selects this instead of the regular hemi.
Are you absolutely sure about that?? Because i just lèased one of these trucks with e torque on it. I want to buy my next ram WITHOUT IT.
@@k.c.marshall921 I did wind up getting a 2021 Laramie sport package, and 4x4 off road package with 3:92 gears and it doesn't have the etorque. Maybe the way I have my truck set up, you have the option. But I do know a few months back when I was trying to build one with the night edition, I didn't have the option. Your best bet is to get in touch with your local dealer.
Please tell me if the cylinder deactivation is optional
That’s crap dumb liberals like you keep my shop in business.
@@andrewhatton1606 why would a liberal want to run v8 all the time? you are confused, they would want 4 cyl all the time....you are dumb.
O.o how's the wear on the crank and harmonic balancer? Belt stretch and throwing belts?
E torque is pretty good, it does rid the tapping sound momentarily.
You don't have 2 get if if u get the 5.7 it can be deleted is only mandatory on v6
V6 will be the little test subject. Imagine if a contractor had his equipment and this crapped on him, At least he has the choice.
That is one slick system. Nice to hear it fills in during 4 cylinder mode and off the line with that 150+ ft/lbs of torque. The regenerative capture, nice. I think it would be quite reliable. Just keep it dry, free of oil leaks, and maintain the batteries! I'd buy it👍
If I want to run on 4 cylinders, I would have bought a 4 cylinder
How long have you been working for Chrysler? ( Or whatever they're called now)
AI comment. You can always tell an AI . They have no real world experience. Lol
@@juliemathis1065 right. I'm an A.I ...we are entering a whole new world of paranoia here I know but... lol c'mon. you just discredited a 4 fucking year old comment on the grounds that I'm a computer... Jesus man😅
@jasonneal so you are saying when you are cruising down the highway on a trip you don't want the benefit of staying in 4 cylinder mode to get twice the MPG and would rather stay in 8 for no reason and use more fuel? Are you an idiot? Today I took my new 2023 with etorque on its forst trip amd when I was doing 60-80km/hr it would go into 4 cylinder mode for Kilometers and stay at 28-37mpg so thats huge. My 2015 without Etorque would barely ever go into 4 cylinders and if it did it was for seconds and didn't really even boost MPG.
When are they gonna put the SRT 6.4 motor into the Ram 1500 ?
The TRX is bad ass but not too many people want to spend $120k on a truck
I was gonna go down and plop $60k + in cash I made off the market till saw the e- dork stuff ...how long does the lithium battery last ? my cell phone lasts about 5 years and how much is the batt replace gonna be
So... we are now using the rubber belt again to drive an engine. Did we learn nothing from the rubber timing belt issues?
OMFg so true! and yet so funny and sad at the same time. FIX IT AGAIN TONY!
Did they fix the HEMI crappy TICK? Does the motor junk before 100k still
Surprised they ain't throwing the 6.4 with the TorqueGod addon in these trucks by now. Wonder how.many 5.7 hemi's are around... million or 2 or 6...
Best truck I've ever had
First Truck I'm sure Lol
I have to agree with some comments with OUT OF WARRANTY REPAIRS ! Firstly, what's the cost of 48V Batteries for this E-Torque system when you have to replace it ?? Secondly, what will it cost the consumer to fix an E-Torque system out of warranty ?? It's not like you can take the vehicle to a garage up the street OR around the corner and get it fixed at a discounted rate !! Definitely a dealer monopolized special repair that will cost the consumer a small fortune !! Their goes all the money you just saved in E-Torque fuel savings over the years in just one repair bill !! Accordingly, I always understood that most engine damage occurs when starting a fuel engine ?? These engines are now stopping & starting hundreds of times per day with this new E-Torque system ? I would just stay with the straight 5.7 L Hemi option without the E-Torque system !!
yeah, just seems like more complexity that can break over time. all for 1mpg better overall? if that
lew scagnetti once an engine is running the start and stop isnt so hard on it its the COLD starts or DRY starts that do most of the engine wear. if an engine has been sitting for say 8 hours and its time to drive home, thats considered a dry start. I agree on just another thing to go wrong. marketing gimmick. lots of peple want a bigger engine than hemi 5.7. So last thing they interested in is saving 2 mpg. My guess is most want a larger engine to tow their trailers without getting into large diesel
More stuff to break, FYI this isn't a Toyota either. It will be great for the time you have it under warranty :)
Yeah I'll be hacking this and taking advantage of this higher electrical power option. Question, why can't I have this on the 6.4 Hemi? Or the 3.0 TDI?
lol, no you won't. It has been 2 years, how is your hacking of the hybrid system going?
@@LayneSteighlee 😎
I don’t know if I’m down with my engine shutting down at a light or stop. Ford does that. with the rental I’ve driven where I’m on debt at is sketchy as fuck once it’s been around the block awhile. I love the truck but def not gonna add this feature. At least not until I see some test drive video to get a better understanding.
MRF3NN13.... YOU can turn it off in desired.
wayne owen what do you mean? Like an option in the menu like setting tire jack mode or the ride hieght?
Every Vehicle I know of that has a "STOP/START system has the ability to be turned off.
hate to see what that generator cost vs a altnator
That what we need more shit to go wrong and cost more money should have just put a super charger on it and called it a day
Ram is innovative but wish they would just bring the quality of parts they used up. Shouldn't have a fuel pump go bad 1000 miles out of power-train warranty. (37000 miles)
Your power train went out at 36,000? Most power train warranties (including my Ram) are at least 60,000.
Anyone know if the 2019 Ram CLASSIC with v6 has this system?
All v6 comes with it
Not in the classic it doesn't. Just the new body style.
@@Jisstifer83626 , thanks, I really appreciate the info.
@jeoff1954 what year did they start in the v6
Those motor generators are not holding up. Programmed 2 of them in 2 weeks
All you guys saying another thing to break... it’s Been 2 years now and I’ve never heard of one problem with it at all... this also gives the engine 110 more pound feet of torque or something like that. That’s pretty damn good!! No one keeps new trucks longer then 10 years anyway!
does the v6 cut back to four cylinders as well
@@Jisstifer83626 6-2 is 4 i think
Jeff replied: "No. What a dumb question. How's it going to run on two cylinders?"
15 hours ago
Nope that's why I bought the v6 instead!
So…when will or is the hemp tick fixed?
Hellcat lifters and a new oil pump
Good! Next step could be regenerative brakes with it and we could restore the brake energy too. Would need more/lighter batteries, though.
Battery isn't too expensive. It's a much smaller system then a full electric power bank. And it replaces just like any other battery, just weighs a hell of a lot, so bring a friend.
You lost me at start stop. That's the worst crap ever invented
April 2021 bought a ram 5.7 etorque..At a stop light I just let the etorque push me off the line ,then I use acceleration,,,pretty slick system and barely noticeable...my wife has a Toyota pruis and camry(hybrid ,,but as usual the Japanese are ahead on technology....Very impressed with new ram,,I sold 2011 f150 ecoboost
Could this be a Mopar part that could be added to 2014-onwards? Maybe not the exact version since the engine has probably had some work done but something that could make the hemi 5.7 get at least 22mpg. Because this or something like this would be a great alternative to a turbo or supercharger, while still keeping the warenty and trusted Mopar parts on the hemi. Maybe a cheep one and middle one and a super power easset called idk like "hell asset" or the electric demon hah
Very difficult to watch with the camera shaking and moving all over the place.
Is all the electrical power sent to the drivetrain delivered by the belt?
Petey Pineapples essentially it is. It should wear out the thicker belt any faster than a normal serpentine belt. We the truck is slowing down it breaks the truck through the engine. The is the least complicated way to make a vehicle a hybrid and shouldnt hurt the engine or transmission at all.
Yup, it will wear out like shit! And it is actually one of the more complicated ways to make a hybrid. A dual motor set up like in the Pacifica would be the easiest and most durable option. But, what would I know, it's not like making the first and actual hybrid for the largest car/truck market segment in the US should be of any interest to FCA.
toyotaprius79 I think it was the easiest/cheapest way for them to do it. As fast as it'll wear, time for an oil change, rotation, and new acc belt...$400 please...lol
Oh here are the RUclips engineers.
Ryan C oh no someone has an opinion!
If they have a tuner that you can use it all all the time or at wide open throttle it will be cool I'm pretty sure I saw GM has something similar but I believe it was only available in California or something
I just bought the 2022 ram 1500 with this engine I like that I can turn this feature off but most of the time I use it
You can actually turn the etorque and cylinder deactivation off?
@@Salvitrojan7 i can disable the cylinder deactivation on my 2017 by shifting with "manual" mode. Just set it to 8 and it shifts normally but doesn't drop to 4 cylinders. Unfortunately you have to rinse and repeat every time you shift out of drive.
Looks like Mike had a train to catch. You may wanna get someone who isn't in a hurry next time. Just a thought. Searching for elaboration on any of his answers? Look elsewhere! LOL!
Ugg, more bullshit electronics to fail and be ridiculous to have repaired. Just build simple fucking vehicles...this goes for all manufacturers. Not everyone wants all that electronic bullshit.
I have this on my ram, and it is costing me a lot of money. Ram won't cover under power train warrenty....
10% increase in fuel economy? That's a lot of engineering for 2mpg
Yes. It takes a lot of engineering to make any efficiency gains. What's your point?
Yeah because electric vehicles are flying off the shelf
I'm sure people would just love to have a truck that will only tow their trailer 75 miles....
It's a big aircraft starter belted to the engine? How much engineering did it take? Look at the technology in everyone else's engines, and the still don't get impressive mpg.
MCBackDraft1 if Tesla can build an electric semi truck I think ram should be able to build an electric pickup
So what you do is turn the start/stop off and put the trans in 8th gear max so it stops the cylinder deactivation. Boom saved you money on repairs
Good job FIAT you put a golf cart motor on your truck to crank it. That's about all it does and quadrupled the battery cost. 🤣
It's an electric supercharger for the 4 cylinder mode only too give you 10% better mpg 😅
That equaled 1 more MPG 🤣
I disable 4 cylinder mode every time i drive mine. I just wished it would stay off like the bumper sensors do when turned off.
Getting ready to get a 2021 Ram with this engine. Pretty cool stuff.
I actually ended up getting a 2022. Great truck.
Thank you for the information, staying away from the dodge with the e torque what a joke
just wait till these trucks with this setup goes bad after warranty runs out and it breaks? you are screwed because these parts cost plenty of money
Is this E boost on the diesel model?
Supposedly yes it will be standard. Was really hoping to trade my Eco in for a new one but dont want this stupid system....
So it is a golf card engine attached to regular engine with a fancy name eTorkue
RAM is the best!!!!!
was ,now it looks like a cross between a toyota and a gmc
Sarcasm? lol
I have it in my new leased truck, and for this reason, among others, I am done with RAM after this lease.
Why?
Sounds like a nice system
Communism sounds like a nice system too, the reality is that they're both trash
Can you bypass the auto start-stop mode? Just let the Engine do its JOB!
How much for this option?
$2645 above the standard V6 option.
It’s better enough when your battery goes down with this I can’t imagine how much she would be to repair.