Head-2Head | Affordable Assault | Axion vs Travato 59G | Best Affordable Camper Van
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- Will size benefit or hinder one of these coaches? It's an epic battle between the Axion by Carado and the Travato 59G by Winnebago in today's Affordable Assault semi-final!
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The Axion is built on the Promaster 1500 chassis which is the shortest of the Promaster chassis measuring a scant 17'9" in length while the Travato is built on the longest Promaster 3500 chassis measuring a healthy 20'11" in length. The Travato has both its electrical and city water fill located up high while on the Axion both are located down low.
The 59G's bed measures 77"x46" - one inch less wide and 5 inches longer than the Axion's 72"x47" bed. Also the bed on the Travato is easier to setup - just release it to lower it and attach some straps to keep it raised up. The Travato has a more comfortable bed since it uses memory foam and is supported by the Froli sleep system. Both coaches have about the same amount of cabinet storage above but the Travato has just a ton more below. The Travato has true pass thru storage from the rear when the bed is flipped up. The Travato has a second bed that can be setup in the front lounge. That bed measures 72"x42" so nearly the same size as the Axion's main bed - not quite wide enough for 2 adults but large enough for one.
Both coaches feature a table for the lounge. On the Travato there is no setup required since the table is permanent and the swivel out extension is integrated. Both lounges can seat 5 but I actually prefer the lounge setup on the Axion with the one long bench seat for 3 as compared to having the fifth person sit on the water tank in the Travato. The Axion has a computer workstation that flips up from the kitchen counter. Having the ability to flip it down and out of the way is something that the Travato doesn't have.
The galley on the Axion is deeper plus you have two counter extensions: a pull out one on the left which matches a similar one on the Travato plus this extra flip up one that acted as the computer workstation. Not surprisingly the Travato has more storage above and below but the Axion matches the Travato's pantry which is a surprise. The Travato has a large fantastic rooftop fan placed right where it should be in the galley while there is no rooftop ventilation in the Axion. The Travato has a larger 6 cubic foot compressor refrigerator with a separate freezer compared to the smaller single door 3.1 cubic foot refrigerator on the Axion. Finally the Travato features whole coach water filtration - standard - which the Axion doesn't feature.
Let's see how the electrical systems compare. The Axion has an inverter that's twice the Travato's size at 2000w. The Travato comes standard with 200w of solar and a standard 2.8kw gas generator as compared to the Axion's optional underhood generator. Both coaches can be upgraded to lithium batteries although upgrading to the Pure3 lithium system on the GL model is a whopping $20k upgrade which honestly would put the Travato out of the affordability price range. The Axion has a much more affordable lithium upgrade path via Hymer's entry-level EcoTrek 400 package which includes 400ah of lithium - half the capacity of Winnebago's Pure3 system but also a quarter of the cost at $5k.
The Travato 59G has one of the largest bathrooms in its class measuring 28"x51" but the Axion holds its own against the Travato with its full-width rear bathroom. The Axion also has access to the bathroom from the rear doors and it has a larger, more useful wardrobe closet and lots more bathroom storage. Both these bathrooms feature powered rooftop ventilation but the Travato’s bathroom is fully enclosed with a much more simple tambour door design. As far as tank sizes: The Travato has a larger fresh water tank and separate grey and black water tanks. The Axion has a larger combined grey/black water tank but lacking a dedicated grey water tank to flush out the sewer lines after dumping your black tank is a deficiency. Both coaches come with a standard macerator system but the Travato has optional heating pads for the grey water tank.
Let's talk about quality and price. The Travato definitely has a higher fit and finish. The cabinets feel more solid and in general everything feels just better made. However, the Axion doesn't use stick framing and staples like the Travato. As far as pricing: at the time of this video both Axions and Travatos can be found online with dealer pricing averaging out at around $82k. Higher demand for the Axion are causing dealers to jack up the price on a coach that should frankly blow the Travato out of the water in terms of affordability.
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Few years back I owned a Roadtrek Agile. Did not like the Sprinter diesel at all. Then I tried a TT. Nope! Next came a Travato 59G. Improvement, but still not happy. So, I traded it for an Axion because of shorter length, large rear bath, openness, increased tow capapcity , and cool Eco-Trek system. Now, I am very happy with my Axion and use it as my only vehicle. I can go anywhere with it and haul anything or tow anything I need, such as cargo or livestock trailer. Or, even a light weight travel trailer should I want to have a camping base sometime in the future. Only two negatives are 1) the bed, which I am working on modifying. Hymer, oops, now Thor, needs to improve on that by making something like a slated pull out that can be stopped at any width a person wants to accommodate one or two people. I.e. I am the lone user of mine and would like to leave passage way to bath when bed is made up for sleeping...larger than the 24" bench, but smaller than the full width which blocks off access. 2) no room for a MaxxAir fan. I consider the manual awning a plus as I rarely use it and when I had a Travato, it came open while away from home and would not close. I was stuck for a couple of hours until someone came and discovered it blew a fuse. I'll take the simple manual one, thank you very much.
Marsha - Merry Christmas and thank you for sharing your ownership experiences! I love the Axion. I think it's short length is great and I love the layout. I hope you don't find this video comparison annoying!
Marsha Durant Higginbotham agree that the bed should have an “in between”, I think the majority of Axion owners are single. I’m looking at one myself. Would love to hear more about how your planning to change the bed/sofa. To have a little more room to get to the bathroom would be wonderful. As a single bed it’s just a bit to small. Somewhere in between would be perfect. Hope you’ll consider sharing your ideas for modding the bed. Happy holidays!
Could you elaborate on your experience with the Mercedes diesel? It's a common engine I feel uneasy about.
@@benvernick Please consider joining Carado Axion Facebook page. Lots of collective knowledge and experiences there and several mod ideas from various members. Have been busy with the holidays, but hope to soon do the mod. Here is a picture of the supplies I will use. I will remove the top board which serves as the support of the bed when open; remove the piano hinge on outside edge; add legs (after painting), and handles. Then just grab handles, pull top board out as far as desired, let down to rest on legs. Arrange cushions and make bed. With all cushions in "full" position which is 47" wide (NOT a true "full"); with back 13" wide cushion, it is 37" leaving 10" to squeeze by; with smaller 9" wide smaller arm rest cushions, instead of back cushion, the bed will be 33" wide, leaving 14" to pass through from one end of van to other. Not perfect solution, but should serve me well until I find someone who can build a more permanent slat type pull out. Oh, I also intend to lock with latches when in fully closed position to keep from sliding out while driving. Hope you get some use out of this. Come on over to Carado Axion page. Happy New Year!
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@@dynabanjo 1) hate the smell and nastiness of diesel; 2) nearly got stranded a couple of times in rural areas where no diesel was available; and 3) I just do not like the feel of the Sprinter. Cannot pinpoint why..just didn't "fit". Never felt comfortable in it. Also, do not like rear sofa/bed. The first time I drove the Ram Promaster, I felt at home in it. I had a Travato G for 3 years but put less than 4,000 miles on it. I have had the Axion since May and have already gone over 4,000 miles. There are things I would change, but the Axion is closest to what I want and use it as my only vehicle.
Honestly I can't think of anyone who would be choosing between these two vehicles. The Axion's length obviously imposes compromises in storage space compared to something 3 feet longer; the Travato's length obviously imposes compromises if you ever drive and park in cities, and even in some campsites. In our case we live in a condo in a very urban area and use our RV as our "2nd car." We can't park anything longer than 18ft. in the parking area behind our home, so it's not that the Axion is a better choice--it was, quite literally, our only possible choice, other than getting a camper van instead of an RV.
Every RV is a compromise between what it's like in motion and what it's like standing still. Your needs determine whether you prioritize one or the other. If "in motion" including parallel parking are important, the Axion is best RV in North America regardless of price and amenities. If "standing still" matters most, practically everything else is better than an Axion.
I will add that some comments on this thread characterize the Axion as being really for a single camper/fulltimer. But I think this depends on where you're coming from. We're coming from 20 years of using a VW Eurovan Camper van. So for us the Axion is a huge, spacious upgrade. And having spent 20 years of camping sleeping as a couple in a 42" wide bed I'll say that once we slept in the 47" wide Axion we'd never accept a narrow bed.
But even here that only matters if you're a couple, like us. For a single it's irrelevant.
The biggest shortcoming of the Axion for us is the lack of additional seltbelted seating positions--something you didn't mention, in part because few other "shorter" motorhomes offer this, while all camper vans do.
The Travato has plenty of competition in its price and length class. The Axion has none in its length class. Perhaps if it's a big success more will appear. But for now, for us, as I said, it was the Axion or not own a motorhome.
Lynn and I have a Travato 59K and agree with your spot on assessments. We looked, briefly, at the Axion and while our list wasn’t as detailed or measured as yours we quickly moved on the the Travato. We have thoroughly enjoyed the “T” so far and have taken many trips in it. 2019 plans include 3 months all the way to Key West and then 5 months to Alaska. It is a serious have fun and roll down the road vehicle/home. Thanks for the review Neil!
Thanks for sharing your experience with your Travato. I appreciate hearing your stories!
MPG's
Toby Shoemaker Depends a lot on my foot and the distance between it and the floorboard. But, on the trip to Acadia this past year we averaged a little over 16. It’s a gasser too so fuel costs are lower and that was a happy surprise compared to our diesel.
VAN TREKKING lifestyle 16 mpg sounds great to me! Also that gas bill vs diesel as well. Thanks for the reply. Have a happy New year.
Toby Shoemaker Happy New Year Toby. Hope the decision process is fun and painless.
I have enjoyed your channel, BUT I found this comparison is off, and I'm only responding because some people who might be considering one of these vans might need to know some shortcomings, especially when referring to $80,000 dealer asking prices for both vans; at that price point, the Axion would be fully-loaded with Ecotrek lithium modules, 200 watts of solar and underhood generator, while that is almost a $25,000 add-on for the Travato. Having these power options is a major difference, compared to awarding points for items like higher utility hookup location and an outdoor shower (well, open the Axion's rear door and the shower head is already there with an extension, no need to worry about an additional cut out or winterizing element :-)
The other area that I feel is completely apples to oranges is SIZE, comparing Travato specs like: a separate fixed dining area, an additional sleeping area, and a separate enclosed bath, etc. -- well, the Travato is one inch shy of 21 feet long!! That is significant, compared to 17 ft 9 in !!!
And some aspects of the comparison were unfortunately incorrect, like no AC outlet in the kitchen area. I can go on and on. But I am a biased Axion owner.
did I get it wrong. is there an ac outlet in the kitchen?? thanks for sharing your perspective as an owner. I know I and others appreciate an owner's perspective. where is the ac outlet in the kitchen? I saw one under the couch but...
@@Ultramobility The outlet is below the counter in front of the burner.
@@Ultramobility there is also a third one by the sliding door under the front passenger seat.
Another great comparison review! One of the things that's rarely mentioned when comparing class B RV's is utility. A vehicle that's capable of serving double duty when needed, whether the ability to accommodate 8' boards through the rear doors. Or loading an appliance in the side slider. For me the Axion is the choice. Thanks again!
The Axion is a great van. I wish the prices would be a bit more affordable! Merry Christmas!
I think, to compare Zion to Travado and Simplicity to Axion would be more just.
Another point: You can’t go to the finales without Banf.
Thanks a lot for your reviews.
Keep doing the great job!
Happy Holidays!
Totally supported independent review. Your comparisons are practical & realistic. Keep going Neil
Merry Christmas to you Neil, and I agree with your analysis, and we see you next time.
Claude - thank you so much! Merry Christmas et Joyeux Noel!
"Higher demand for the Axion" as you said leaves me scratching my head as to how you came up with your score. Consumers are speaking with their cash. Clearly the public loves the Axion. I don't have a horse in this race but your scoring was just bizarre. Another great video my friend.
i probably have to ditch the scoring system. it seems most viewers don't like it!
Happy Holidays Neil and to all your subscribers! Wishing all a Happy New Year!
thank you Jay! Happy Holidays to you too!
I have been waiting for this video
hope you liked it!
I enjoyed it very much. I am getting a simplicity next week. I hope my van wins this battle.@@Ultramobility Merry Christmas Neil. My husband and I are big fans
I never know how these things are going to go Poppy! I hope it wins too but like a parent I love all these rigs!
Merry Christmas to you and yours. Thanks for the Christmas special
Merry Christmas Junior Y! Thanks for the holiday greeting and for watching!
Thanks Neil for this feature comparison and your comments. This is helpful to me in determining which affordable camper van to purchase. I like both the Axion and Travato and agree with most if not all of your comments. To me, if the price were lower on the Axion, it would be a good entry choice for me otherwise, I'm going with the Travato. I look forward to the Zion SRT comparison.
I agree. if the Axion were around $60k to $65k it would be much more appealing.
@@Ultramobility Yes sir but I also understand supply and demand is pushing the price up. Hopefully, we will see price adjustments in the future. Hey, also look for a little PayPal gift from me. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year Neil!
Chris, thank you so much for the Christmas gift!
Great Review, Looking toward 2 the final. Thanks N
glad you enjoyed it. finals coming up!
Great review. It was an apples to apples comparison that really gave useful insights. Ironically, the Axion is becoming my favorite RV candidate since I'm more a car replacement type user than a boondocker. This review really clarifed what I would have to do without.
Great video, Merry Christmas 🎄 Neil
Merry Christmas Craig!
Thanks for the Xmas present!!.....U R the best!
Best wishes to you & family!
Thanks, Gina! Merry Christmas to you and yours!
Merry Christmas! Awesome reviews.
Glad 59g won! Just watch lichtsinn rv video 59gl video and the 59g is very impressive loving that van more and more! Hope you had a great Christmas!
Great review as always. I'm still looking for a rig, mainly for work, and while bells and whistles are important, I find the core features like a solid build and included solar packages to be a necessity -- also the price has be affordable and then some. Dropping $80k for a 1-2 yr warranty is borderline crazy in my opinion. I really like the Hymer Aktiv 2.0 but I'm 6'4 and concerned I won't sleep comfortably. At any rate, great review!
Merry Christmas Neal. I think you do the best and most honest reviews on these class b vans but my only suggestion is you should only compare vans built up on the same exact chassis. Thank you and have a great New Year!
I like the attention that you give to length of all campers. You make it about handling and parking. In my city, Key West, FL, there is an ordinance against vehicles over 20 ft. Will the cops cite you? Doubtful. But this should be a consideration. In Key West, there is no camping except for military. When you roll into the southernmost city with your 22 ' camper, you are breaking the law.
Hi Neil ... Merry Christmas!
My Google feed on my phone featured this video! Normally, they just feature static web pages so this is good news for you! The Travato is far better than the Axion and deserved to clobber it.🥊🥊
Merry Christmas! Thank you for letting me know that. That's a nice Christmas gift from Google!
Thanks Neil Merry Christmas interesting comparison certainly the Travato had the edge on value for your dollar
Great info!!
Thank you Pia!
Good evening. My wife and I just discovered your Vlog. We are impressed with your site. So, we would like to propose that you consider addressing things from a different perspective. We watched your video about what kind of buyer are you and we agree with your assessment in concept. But, sometimes things are Not Black and White. For us, we are interested in a Class B or B Plus that is built with quality components and built with quality construction methods.
However, we are also looking to procure one at a very good price point.
One thing that is totally lacking in all RV reviews and assessments is any Long-Term Tests. There are no evaluations of RV's over a course of months to years. How do manufacturers products hold up over months and years of road miles. How do they hold up after hundreds or thousands of road vibration/bump/pothole miles.
There is precious little info on the long-term quality of RV's. So, while it is unlikely that you can afford to engage in such Long-Term test reviews perhaps you could encourage your followers to give you input on what they purchased and how the RV they purchased has held up over time.
Since Ford can do quality assessment of a 18k Fiesta we do not see how purveyors of 100k to in excess of 200k Class B's cannot employ Quality Assurance Life-Time testing into their manufacturing and production processes.
Hi Neil, love your head 2 head reviews and the comedic side of you lol
Happy New Year 😃
Wished Winnebago would offer the travato with the traditional couch across the rear. that layout seems the overall most practical. Any word on different layout options? I prefer the K but limits carrying additional passengers comfortably. Of course all layouts are a compromise. Merry Christmas and thanks for your informative and entertaining reviews.
hi Eric. Just the G and K models for now on the Travato! Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas & Happy New Year!
Neil, hope you enjoy the holidays and have a great New Year.
I am really enjoying your Head-2-Head videos, especially this one since I am very interested in the Travato. I was wondering if you would ever consider doing a Head-2-Head with the goal of comparing the short chassis class B vans?
The Axion cardio is just EXCELLENT for parking anywhere without ANY hassles by code enforcement etc.............you can change out the stove for a electric and only uses one fuel type:)
Thanks for sharing
The Axion should of came out significantly cheaper than all the other Class B RVs considering it was very basic and put on the smallest Promaster chassis which would have helped bolster sales by volume
An MSRP that’s $15K or even $20K under any other Class B would have saved the company because the volume of sales would justify the smaller profit margins
Afterall the goal of the Erwin Hymer group was to attract entry level buyers
There is immense appeal to having a Class B with such a small footprint for maneuverability purposes and discretion especially in urban communities
Instead of an overhead AC unit it would have been a good idea to use the same under mount AC system similar as the Axion Studio for ease of logistics and increased flexibility
Axion and Banff had overhead but Axion Studio gets under-mount AC just adds to logistical and service problems having to install and service two different cooling systems versus one when you’re trying to save money and streamline
Having an undermount system also frees up the roofline to add a Maxxaire roof fan or extra solar panels for the extra green appeal or a massive luggage rack and compartment up top etc.
Plus if someone just didn’t want a luggage rack up top or hauling a kayak up top the overall height would mean its lower and more aerodynamic enhancing gas mileage and could fit better through drive throughs at fast food places or banks and maybe some parking garages
The Axion should have revolutionized the Class B segment with those changes
Minor issues like putting the TV across from lounge on a fold down or swivel mount could have been better utilized or the weird two door bathroom replaced by a single door or pull out bed or even lap seat belts on the lounge so you could legally carry 5 passengers with driver versus only 2 etc could have been implemented
However the overall intelligent design and footprint of it all on a short 1500 chassis and intelligent use of space with the front lounge and rear bath could have seriously changed the game with a model of entry level low profit margin but high volume sales that would make those considering it go for it especially urban environments
I hope whoever buys the group now that its in receivership continues with the Carado lineup and look at those things and implements them moving forward
Could you imagine a base model with all those changes coming in with the price tag of say a decently equipped Expedition?
Which would you buy?
I wish I could apply for the job to head Carado well if whoever buys it now keeps the lineup
I was just thinking---doesn't the fact that the Axion is selling for a premium price because of "demand", make it a winner over a discounted "lot lizzard"????
You're wrong about he Axion's weight ratings: On that sticker it says "dealer installed equipment may reduce OCC", which is accurate. So you gave the wrong band wrong point. I have a feeling I might be back again for other discrepancies, LOL.:-).
yep that's always the case. occc is based on a base model. sometimes they include upgrades like screens etc. in the rating.
The important takeaway here isn't who won, but instead that three "Thor" products and one Winnebago are being pitted against one another. What a great time to be an RV owner with choices such as these. I, for one, and looking forward to the recently announced Carado Axion Studio and might be trading my 2017 model in for it.
competition is great isn't it? Mini review of the Axion Studio coming out tomorrow!
Good reviews merry Christmas and happy New year. when you have a chance can you do a review on renecy rv
Yep, sure will. Merry Christmas!
What about the Tavato vs the Banff
that would be a good comparison as well.
First off hello I really enjoy your channel you put a ton of content and it’s very informative I’m heavily thinking of leaving the apt life and would really believe I’d enjoy living on the road or campground or dry camp . My question is finding the right rv for my life style. I work full time in a hospital and right now live 10 minutes away from work and I’m not happy living by myself in an apartment I’d like to move around and love to go travel every once in a while . I live in Virginia by Dulles airport and 30 minutes dc . I’m an engineer so working on things is fine I’ve been camping my whole life grew up in a tent pop up and then 30 foot travel trailer . I’d love to have a four season rv enjoy the class b ruv style. If you could recommend any type I’d really appreciate it but if not I totally understand. Thank you again for your great videos.
Hey Garry 😉👍
Have I missed the review on the Winnebago Via? I’ve looked for it but can’t find it. Thanks! Love your show!
Merry Christmas! 🎄❤️🚍
Merry Christmas Carissa Roe!
Hi Neil...I think the Carado Banff would have been a better comparator for the Travato since it has a similar layout to the 59K but is a bit shorter and cheaper...Regards, Don
thanks don. i could only compare rigs that i reviewed in 2018 and unfortunately i had not reviewed the Banff yet. but i hope to do so in the new year!
Both are excellent vans. It seems to me that it’s comparing apples to oranges as these 2 vans serve different purposes. One is geared towards the single traveler and the other is tailored for couples. The Axion has a huge size advantage but it’s overpriced, while the Travato takes the lead in comfort and practicality and offers much better value.
hi there. this is an affordable assault which is just comparing the least expensive vans that I reviewed in 2018. thanks for your comment!
Merry Christmas to everyone.
I was very surprised at the price tags which were identical despite the equipment differences. I wonder how the payment will spread.
Further, with identical power trains, can the 59G adequately accelerate given the bulk and weight? Being squished under a Peterbilt will your entire day and point scores.
Thanks, Neal!
Merry Christmas Neil :) You're such the comedian. Hahahaha I'm cracking up bc of the way you showed how the Travato used the Axion to mop it's floors. LOL Great video and have a wonderful day!!
Merry Christmas to you Lynne Lynne! thank you so much for enjoying my video!
@@Ultramobility...Thank you.:)
I would like to say in the Axion's defense,,, I prefer the open feel of this coaches over-all floor-plan,, not just the wet-bath area,,.
It doesn't have a closed claustrophobic feel as the all dark wood framed out Travato. Also,,the light coloring of the Axion interior helps add too and give the feeling of more room/spaciousness even though it's 3 ft shorter. Also not having a Micro is no biggie imo,, I have yet to use mine in the Revel,, which is what gives you the larger wardrobe in the back.
This is a single person's unit and I think it's up-beat, easy to manage/maintain, fuel efficient (25mi per gallon HW and 18 in town) with a Ram chassis that can be serviced by any mechanic.
Imo,,for a single person this is a cool little coach.:)
hi Lynne Lynne the 2019 Travato has new interior color options like Macchiato which is a nice lighter color.
@@Ultramobility Hi,, I've never care for the Travato interior layout sir,,. I have been in one and my Revel has more elbow space,,I think it's due to the way the bed & bath r situated and also that water tank cover seat is in an awkward spot,, the same with the C.Galleria's 3rd Captains chair in front of entry & refrigerator
I would prefer an open slide door entry like the Axion has. There is nothing to obstruct/interfere with entering or exiting coach. Too bad it got it's butt kicked by the Travato. hahahaha
Thank u!!!
I think that point scoring is one thing, and subjective to needs, and affordability is quite a separate issue...it really seems to me that what is being looked at here is value for money...not affordability so much.
I never thought I'd ever feel sorry for a campervan
Poor Axion, take the rest of the year off and recover
Glad you enjoyed it and thanks for making me laugh!
What's there to recover from? The Axion is hot and selling at a premium price while the Travato is being heavily discounted.
@ No. things are discounted because they're not selling at full price. Selling for premium means there is high demand for an item with little or no need to reduce the price and sometimes selling for more than list price. I'm not partial to either van but I and many other posters find the scoring flawed. Have a blessed day.
@ Well you're wrong. I have nothing to do with rv business. You're wrong again as I never said "feeling" as you quoted me. As far as comparisons go it's all about length. I get it. There are people like you that can care less that one rv is 3 feet shorter. I on the other disagree with the point system in the video. I'm baffled how an factory option for a screen is equal to a foot less in length. I'd love to see an Axion in person but there's not one for sale within 500 miles of the large metropolitan area I live in. We'll just have to agree to disagree. Have a great 2019.
Why did fill/electrical hookup location change points? I actually prefer them down low myself...
Neil, Fantastic comparison, very detailed. However, if you don't mind me saying, is it possible to compare 2 RAM promasters of the same length? Such as the Axion and Tofino? There aren't many out there of 18ft and perhaps the Tofino and Axion are it for commercially produced Promasters of the same length. Too bad the European vans aren't avail here. Most have a bathroom and a lot are around 18ft. Length.
I find the Axion very ugly inside and would never buy it.
Have you ever reviewed a Coach House model?
With the new generation Mercedes Sprinter due out in 2019, is the Ram ProMaster/Fiat Ducato up for replacement soon?
I can’t say I find this to be a fair comparison of these coaches. You compare a 17’ to a 21’ coach and I would expect the Travato to win hands down, so how is that a fair assessment? Also you priced a a fully loaded Axion but did not price a fully loaded Travato, or the Axion would have been $20k cheaper based on the lithium battery option on the Travato, and would have put the Travato at $100k.
what would like to compare the Axion to? Base model to base model the Axion would still get blown out of the water. the Travato has just so many standard features that the Axion doesn't have. i like the Axion a lot but the Travato neutralizes all the advantages of the Axion while giving the buyer a bunch of standard features that are not available on the Axion. Doesn't mean the Axion isn't a great RV.
Ultramobility this is like comparing a Cadillac to my Cruze just because they are both made by Chevrolet.
I you are not comparing apples to apples here because you are taking the longest comparing with the shortest. Maybe try comparing the Travato 59G with the Carado Hymer Aktiv 2.0 Class B which to me seems more of a fair comparison. Give it a retry.
the shortest got p;oints for being short - maneuverability and parking. the longer one got points for what it does with the extra space. it evens out depending on how the manufacturer chooses to use that space.
Would you please do a comparison of the Erwin Hymer Sunlight 2 vs. Carado Banff. I am interested in these two because they are priced below $60,000. I appreciate you named this video an "affordable" battle. However, they are not the most affordable by any account.
Hey there. Agree that they are not the most affordable but as I say in the video they are the most affordable that I reviewed in 2018.
@@Ultramobility Thanks. I still would like to see the Sunlight vs. the Banff
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I still think the Travato would win, and by a good margin, but it feels unfair to give the Travato 2 points for having the hookups higher, but to give the Axion only 3 points for being 3 feet shorter. Consider all the things that you gave a single point for, and it feels more like the shorter Axion should get 2 or 3 points for each of those feet that it does not have. That is a huge advantage for any of a number of things, while where the electrical (1) and water (1) hooks up are is a relatively minor point. I would probably have given only one point for both, not 2.
But, if we remove one point from the Travato, it still scores 36, and even if you gave 3 points for each foot, that would only put the Axion at 24, which would still be a big win. And, I think three per foot is a bit much. I just think that making 1 foot of length equal to the electrical or water hook up, or the power awning, or the inclusion of a separate black tank to be a bit unfair.
Lastly, while I understand the need to review price from a real world setup, it feels a tiny bit unfair to hold a point from the Axion because of something the manufacturer has nothing to do with.
Great review though, keep it up.
thanks for sharing your thoughts Aude Khatru.
Better off building your own van or paying someone to do it. I feel like the RV industry needs to get closer to the 50k range. Everything is just to pricey
Still no Finals???
yes! I promise I will release the final!
I don't see no convection micro in the 59G :) And please do not review the Pleasure Way Tofino, it's a camper van and not an RV so it has nothing in common with these mini class As.
not fair because the axiom is smaller
A better apples to apples comparison would be 59k to Axion . Merry Christmas ,
Viewers voted for the 59G over the 59K in a recent poll Merry Christmas!
@@Ultramobility Interesting . Happy New Year !
Is this a fair comparison?
ummm sure?
Nope
I thought it was reasonable. I didn't like the Pleasureway Ascent vs Winnebago Revel review because the vans were almost opposite in purpose. This is a difference in size not purpose.
I'd like to see the vans more and you less, no offense. You can talk while showing vans.
At around 14:20, it should be "neither FEATURES ...", not "neither feature". Just an fyi.
I don't think having water & power "up high" is an advantage at all. As a matter of fact, I'd LOWER the score for that. I've RV'd for decades, and drooping cables and torque-causing ( especially on water ) connections are a hazard. Putting power right next to water is also crazy, but ubiquitous for some reason. Having the water connection high has only one advantage - for filling the tank. On the lounges - the table & rear set-up on the Travato is VERY uncomfortable. The table, especially, with the swing-out is VERY LOW for larger people ( I'm 6' 3" ). The vertical seating also only fits one adult, unless they REALLY like each other. The couch in the Axion is Much better for lounging.
thanks for sharing your thoughts Jollyprez!
I agree. I think Axion should get the point and another point for a cleaner look.
The Fiat Dacato was never a beauty queen but What dodge did to the Front end Of the Promaster is a crime against humanity lol. I could live with the Dacato front end it's not pretty but is also not hideous like the Promaster. It's sad when the Ford Transit isn't the ugliest girl at the ball.
lol - ouch!
Now if Mercedes would just hurry up with the Gasoline engine 4x4 .