The Playoffs Are Ruining NASCAR
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- Опубликовано: 8 ноя 2023
- In the wake of Ryan Blaney winning the 2023 NASCAR Cup Series title due to the playoff format, I take a look at the reasons why the NASCAR playoffs have ultimately a detriment to the sport. I look at William Byron and his 2023 season, and why the championship no longer holds the prestige it once did. As one famous NASCAR RUclipsr S1apSh0es put it, "the NASCAR playoffs are stupid and bad". Let me know your opinion in the comments below.
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In this video, I’m sharing with you my thoughts on the NASCAR playoffs - specifically, how they’re ruining the sport.
Since the inception of the playoffs, NASCAR has been dominated by championship winners not correlating with the rest of the season - and the fans have paid the price. The playoff races have been overly hyped and manufactured, and the whole process has been paid for with lower viewership numbers.
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Imagine if Max Verstappen lost this year’s F1 championship if he finished 2nd in the season finale
Well said
Precisely
100%
If Toto Could have done it to him.... He Would 🤣🤣
it would be great tbh. Now we know who's the champion after first lap of the first gp but I get your point. I'd stay with playoffs anyway
The fact that you can win the first 35 races of a season and STILL lose the Championship in the final race, it is just a joke, but I am beating a dead horse at this point.
A lot of Playoffs Defenders will argue that technically, you could win 35 races under the Latford Winston Cup format and still lose the championship as well. There's two things they fail to realize in that case, and it's not a case of them not knowing or being naïve, but them being flat-out ignorant:
1) The scenario of what would have to happen is the same exact driver was finishing 2nd with the most laps led to the guy who was winning the first 35 races, but the 35-race winner never led the most laps. Then in the last race, the guy who was finishing 2nd all year dominates and wins the last race. That scenario is even less likely to happen than a guy winning 35 races a year, and the 35-win guy is already seen as impossible.
2) Even if the above scenario were to happen, it's not like the 35-race winner would be losing the championship to a guy who had a mediocre season. The guy with 35 2nd place finishes was still strong all year long, and deserved to be in the championship picture. It's not like losing to a guy who missed the first third of the year and benefitted from a waiver, or a guy who didn't even finish in the top-10 for half of the races in the year, or in this case, having the worst average finish for a champion and not even winning the final race.
It's pointless to try to explain any of this to Playoffs Worshippers though, because they have their heads shoved so far up their asses that they can feed themselves by eating their own shit.
@nascarfanatic2425 Yeah, NASCAR is trying to be something they're not, trying to blend in with everyone else. The reason NASCAR even became popular was due to the uniqueness of it.
@@tonyyost331 Even Richard Petty said this back in 2004 that NASCAR got to where it was by being itself. (Kinda ironic how his son Kyle is the biggest Playoffs fan) I will acknowledge that the Latford Winston Cup format wasn't perfect. As I mentioned before, a criticism it gets even from people who want this format back is that it didn't award winning enough. But the old format was way better and more fair than the Playoffs.
The fact Jeff Gordon would have 7 championships and Harvick would have 4 is proof that the old points system should have never been changed. 2 drivers that should have each have 3 more championships is insane
Under a different format drivers would have raced different u have no clue how many anyone would have you Gordon fans are so dumb
@tonyyost331 Idk about Jr. What year are you talking about? I know he would've been close in 2012 but Brad K still scored the most points that year. I'm not aware of a year where Jr scored the most points.
@tonyyost331 2013 would be Jimmie Johnson, not Dale Jr
Dale jr was never close to a championship
@tonyyost331 Jr. Didn't win a championship under the Winston points format
It really sucks that we were robbed of a 1992-level finale this year. Maybe this travesty will cause some change.
without the playoffs, not only would the last 10 races ratings not fall, but the non-playoff races would all rise in ratings and grasp hold of more fans and get them hooked for the storyline instead of erasing it all as soon as the competition (NFL) starts up.
You’re totally correct. I believe each race would have more individual value as well. For example I absolutely hate calling the Daytona 500, the southern 500, and the coke 600 “regular season races”. They’re not regular! They’re a big deal! Also people always complain that the points leader can clench the championship with multiple races to go, but that doesn’t mean 2nd or 3rd place has been clenched yet. There’s a big difference in paycheck between 2nd place, 3rd place, and so on down the leaderboard so to think the racing is any less intense because the championship is locked up is just ludicrous.
you can literally win every single race of the year, but finish 2nd in Phoenix and lose the championship. Anyone who doesn’t see anything wrong with that is amazingly stupid.
Exactly right, the 36 race nascar season is now reduced to 1 race for a championship
U wonder why IndyCar is better? Close racing, great personality and no bs playoffs
hell Im an f1 fan and Id still glady watch an entire season of indycar (only reason I dont is cuz certain f1 race times also just so happen to be when indycar races start)
We've gone way too far chasing the casual fan with gimmicks. NASCAR has taken integrity and the core fanbase for granted far too long. I'm convinced to just watch until the round of 8, then turn it off before the best driver of the yr falls short to a mediocre champ. Good job to Byron for having the first consistently good yr in a nextgen.
I recommend you watch S1apshoes's NASCAR's Dam of Legitimacy video. It pretty much breaks down the destruction of NASCAR's Dam of Legitimacy, and that it's never even really attempted to be rebuilt.
The ironic thing is, the guy who conceptualized the idea of the playoffs (Brian France) doesn't even have a role in NASCAR anymore. Why they still continue on with it just baffles me.
Probably because some of Brian’s friends and people are still controlling the sport. I feel like Steve Phelps is one of his people too!.. He’s no better!..
As a Byron fan you said it all. I only know one person at my highschool who is interested in NASCAR and that’s it. Almost no one watches any Motorsports too
I've said this before and I'll say it again. Why is it acceptable to have a system where it's possible for a driver to win every race and lead every lap except for the very last one of the last race, and still lose the championship because of that? What's the point of the other 35 races? And why aren't there enough people complaining about this?
I absolutely LOVE this video! I’ll always argue the nascar playoffs make nascar so much more predictable. Every year we know how many drivers are fighting for a championship (heck, IndyCar in 2022 had a 5 man title fight with a full season format). That’s why I’ve moved on and watched other motorsports such as IndyCar, IMSA, F1 and others. Knowing every race in the season matters makes the racing so much more enjoyable. And seeing the deserving driver come out on top, even if he dominated the whole season, still feels so much better than anything the nascar playoffs could even imagine.
“Casual fans”
NASCAR chases casual fans even knowing that it turns off die-hard fans. What happens when you catch the attention of the casual fans? They might watch for a while, but as they get closer to becoming real fans, they start to see the gimmicks and illegitimacy of the decision making by NASCAR. So the obvious problem is that the more someone watches NASCAR, the more frustrated they get and they stop watching. It’s an ever-changing fan base. The NFL gives you an exciting game, but they don’t dumb it down. Football has a lot of moving parts and it takes time to understand the intricacies of it. It’s not a game for the casual fan to really understand. Yet it’s the one thing that in 2023 tens of millions of fans will sit in front of a television for over three hours to watch. What if the Superbowl format was that the last team to score wins? The Chiefs lead the Eagles 42-17 with two minutes to go. The Eagles kick a field goal and win. NASCAR would tell you that’s excitement. But would the ratings be the same? Would it be legitimate if a team was undefeated and led by 49 points only to lose the championship because they didn’t score last? We’ll never know because the NFL tries to keep the game a legitimate sporting contest. Even in their playoffs if you barely make it in, you play all your games on the road so you don’t have an equal opportunity.
Well put! I've always equated the playoffs in NASCAR to the NFL resetting the points to zero after the third quarter of the Super Bowl to prevent a blowout game. It'd be dumb if the NFL actually did that, and it's dumb that NASCAR essentially does the same thing. I'd consider a revert back the Chase format a huge win at this point.
I'm a Blaney fan I've been celebrating my ass off because thats just the system we have now. Its still satisfying to me, but not as much as if it was an old school championship.
Personally I think there needs to be a hybrid of the playoffs and chase. Keep "playoff" points to seed guys for the initial chase, then have a 10 race shootout if you have to.
Should always be happy for your driver! I agree, make the whole season matter even if you do keep a Chase system in place
The Chase is so bad, the ratings during the chase each year has been down since 2007.
Doesn’t belong in any form of Motorsports, period. Sadly other racing series has the chase too
I heard about World of Outlaws wanting to implement a chase format. Have they actually done it?
The British Superbike Championship has already done it sadly.
@@simoneburini4036 thankfully the World of Outlaws have not added the chase, from what I’ve seen.
Sadly the Lucas Oil Late Model Dirt Series added the chase
@@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YTdoes the NHRA have it now too ?
@@fa1509 unfortunately, yes. But tbh it’s just pointless because how the heck can you gimmick drag racing?
Their chase (The Countdown) is basically the last 6 races with no eliminations
Still a fun series to watch tho
@@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT INDYCAR, WEC,IMSA is the series I watch these days
I have absolutely no idea how anyone at all still takes this system seriously. As in gets genuinely happy or sad over the outcome and unironically consider a title under this bullshit format an achievement worth celebrating for eternity. It's so fucking stupid.
True!
Nascar could easily undo everything and go back to 2003 but with more road courses and green white checkers, yet they choose to double down on a stick and ball format and stage racing.
Maybe one day they’ll wake up…
I was with you up until you mentioned more road courses. No,no,no stock cars aren't supposed to turn right
Stage racing isnt bad. The fact they throw a yellow for it is bad. Theyve used stages in IMSA(a series NASCAR owns) forever. They just dont throw yellows at their "stages"
They just want yellows to set up crashes.
@@richarddudley9920 I partially disagree with you on the road course racing. I think we at least need more road course races than we got in the '90s and 2000's. We don't need 7 stops on the schedule, but I would be fine with say 4 road course races a year.
They want yellows to condense the field and keep more cars on the lead lap. Nascar was already doing it with the rogue cautions prior to stages. They just didnt admit to it even with drivers like Stewart callin gthem out. Last year I compared the '22 season with the '02 season and the '92 season and there were actually fewer cautions on average for the season in '22. There were also far fewer mechanical issues (engine ir otherwise) in '22 resulting in fewer cautions so the stage cautions maybe made up the difference. @@Posirep
@@Posirep The phantom debris cautions magically went away after stage breaks were introduced
These modern titles just done feel special. They feel manufactured. F1 and IndyCar are both much more exciting and it’s all organic.
The actual champions in the old format:
2014: Jeff Gordon
2015: Kevin Harvick
2016: Kevin Harvick
2018: Kyle Busch
2020: Kevin Harvick
2022: Chase Elliott
2023: William Byron
Im gonna push back a bit on Kenseth triggering the chase format due to his 2003 season. There's no way Nascar made a change that drastic in one off season. It had to be in development and being talked about for some time prior to that. I think they chose to unveil it in '04 to time it with the rebranding of the series. Look at how the last 5 winston cups played out. '99 Jarrett remains in first starting after race 11. He wins by 201 pts and yet Gordon had the most wins w/7. '00 Labonte remains in first after race 10 winning by 265 pts with Stewart having the most wins w/8. '01 Gordon remains in first after race 14 winning by 222 pts and also is the wins leader. '02 Stewart doesnt grasp 1st for good till race 30 and only wins by 38 points and Kenseth has most wins w/5. '03 Kenseth holds 1st for the rest of the season beginning after race 4 winning by 90 points with Newman having the most wins with 8. Only once in five years did the champion lead race wins. The playoff format to me was about adding value to race teams to attract sponsorship. The more teams that are in "contention" the more teams that sponsors will be willing to support. It gives owners leverage and something to pitch to potential partners. Its the same thing with the charter system. It give sponsors the gurantee that their investment will be in every race. The top 35 rule was something similar to give sponsors that sense of security. The nextgen car and how its cost cutting measures for the race teams and the parody its creating is again another kog in the "pleasing business partners" wheel.
As someone who rarely follows NASCAR, stuff like overtime and this playoffs system really turn me off from watching NASCAR actively. Despite that decided to follow the last four races this year and man I'm bummed for Byron that despite his magnificent season, this bullshit system prevented him from winning the title unlike in other Motorsport series where the best driver throughout the season wins the title...
Overtime is good
Because it could shake the final results in a final 2 laps battle (instead of a boring finish behind pace car)
Jimmie has 7 titles because he was clutch, always did great in the final 10 races.
He also did great all year long. He won 83 races.
@@TeganCantEven yeah but in a full season format he only wins like 3 championships
@@jj9487 only if we just assume no results change if you change the format. It’s hard to say how things play out differently under a different format because the approach to each race would also change.
Also because all the cheating his team was doing Jimmie may have 7 titles like my all-time favorite driver Dale Earnhardt but Dale was so much better than Jimmie ever was Jimmie would have 3 at best without the chase and cheating Chad
Actually, Chad Knause has admitted that they used the summer to try new things knowing those races didn’t matter. That way they could cheat in the last ten races and not get caught. He literally explained the whole thing on the Dale Jr Download. Jimmie wasn’t clutch at all. He had a brilliant crew chief who gave him an unfairly fast car during the chase.
I'm a fan of Blaney, but I feel you're 100% correct. NASCAR needs to get rid of this system!
I want a full season championship, that being said I have the solution to nascar wanting a championship race:
1 race championship
To be eligible you must be one of the following: most wins, most laps/miles lead, highest average finish, or most points gained for the entire year.
If all 4 are the same guy, they're the only one that makes it and automatically win because they earned it. Otherwise you have a guaranteed exciting finale between 2 drivers or more who all have legitimate arguments as the best driver for the entire season. This also ensures drivers competing for the entirety of the event.
probably the best argument i've ever heard for a championship race
I personally think we should do 1 bonus point for pole, 1 bonus point for leading a lap, 2 bonus points for leading the most laps, and 1 for running the fastest lap. 40 points for 1st, 39 for 2nd, 38 for 3rd, so on so forth, all the way down to 1 point for 40th. Keep it simple! Of course, no playoffs.
Thank goodness BSB Superbikes did away with the final 8 format and just increased the amount of points for the final 3 rounds. It feels weird, yes, but it’s miles better than what NASCAR’s system is like today.
I actually like the current points system for individual races (40 points for first, 35 for second, 34 for third, and so on), I think it places that premium on winning the race that NASCAR wants to emphasize, and I'm okay with that. There should be a points bonus for winning. I'm also a fan of the bonus points for pole, leading a lap and leading the most laps. Those provide natural incentives throughout the course of a race, unlike the artificial stage points/breaks. Honestly, I'd even be in favor of awarding higher points values for the crown jewel races (Daytona 500, the 600, and Southern 500). NASCAR and the broadcast crews make them out to be such prestigious events, let's make them worth a little more when a driver wins them. I've been a Blaney fan for years, I'm happy for him, and he won it fairly within the current rules setup, but it still feels a little hollow.
@@Equality7-2521k We can certainly agree to disagree!
@@TheFredster32 Haha, I wasn't disagreeing with you. I think the Playoffs system is a terrible way to crown a champion in racing. I was just saying I think a race winner should get more than just one point above second place, which is why I do like the current points system for individual races.
@@Equality7-2521k I here you there!
I hate the playoffs I hate that NASCAR keeps making the cars slower I hate that they think super speedway means high viewership I hate watching pit crews crew chiefs drivers and engineers work their asses off just to have a problem in the final race and be told being the best all year wasn’t good enough
As a Gordon, now Byron fan. Idk how much more of this I can take. 4 championships robbed cause of the playoffs
A-freaking-men on this video. I may be a diehard Jimmie fan, but even I know that he doesn't deserve 7 titles. The playoffs to me are the main catalyst as to why no one watches these races anymore. If you're going to keep the "playoff" name, at the very least remove the eliminations and rounds so that the final 10 races matter just as much as the first 26. It may not have much of an effect at first, but at least it'll be a start.
You just described the Chase
to be fair, jimmies runs were deserved, because knaus just added all the upgrades at seasons end before people can steal them for their own cars. he probably could take those 7chips still over a full season. but he essentially had the same car through the entire regular season as a strategy. now for penske, the difference is they luck into phoenix and have had the best phoenix package since the next gen era. it feels like a guaranteed victory for them atp when they make it to phoenix. even tho hendricks crews were perfect and blaneys was far from perfect, blaney still won
@LordBurger Jimmies team was cheating constantly he may have 7 titles but he will never be on the same level as petty and Earnhardt
"cheating" no its called rule making. they did something legal that teams were way behind on. and they had to make a rule against it. same with gordon. they would have done it with earnhardt and petty too if parity was a bigger deal back then. if they cheated there would be many more penalties@@rcguy902
By far the worst championship season ever.
RYAN BLANEY 2023
Races: 36 of 36
Wins: 3 (8.3%)
Top 5s: 8 (22.2%)
Top 10s: 18 (50.0%)
Poles: 0 (0.0%)
Laps: 9,060
Laps Led: 562 (6.2%)
RAF: 33 (91.7%)
LLF: 29 (80.6%)
AS: 12.7
AF: 14.1
I’m soooo happy that Blaney won it all but yeah…..the playoffs need to STOP
Also…I’m a huge F1 fan. Verstappen won the championship when the season started essentially. Still an amazing year overall. STOP the playoffs
The entirety of the video is 10000% accurate.
This makes 2 years in a row that Hendrick should have won the championship
If they had the Chase separate from the full season format (somewhat as a replacement for the no bull 5) not even 10% of the fan base would’ve complained
well said, as a Byron fan i'd prefer he have the season he did rather than win an undeserved title
Same thing happened to Harvick when Chase won but it was Chase so............
I’m a Blaney fan, and I totally agree with you, I think it would be way more rewarding and exciting if you saw a top 5 finish mean something big, instead a second place finish is annoying and you’re frustrated that he didn’t win. As of Blaney, you have to give it to him for his great playoff performance, and although he didn’t have the best season, at least he performed well in the last ten races of the season.
Okay so let me ask this, if Chase Elliott made the chase for the championship and won would people be complaining as much?
Because I get the feeling this is more about people being pissed that a semi-popular driver like Ryan Blaney won rather than their favorite driver, I mean to me the Ryan Blaney story of not winning a race all last season and then going from that to being a championship driver is pretty damn cool imo. To me, it feels more like people wouldn't have this much of a problem with the chase format if Larson or Byron or Bell won and it wasn't Blaney
Elliott didn’t deserve to win in 2020 over Harvick who dominated
Harvick choke so…
Blaney is really popular. People would have been okay if it was any of the others because they were all simply more deserving.
@@Cheddar_9I'm sorry but...
In Texas Nascar didn't put out the yellow for rain until Harvick nailed the wall and ruined his race
He ran well at Martinsville the whole race till in desperation of the stupid format, he tried to dump KFB to get a shot at fighting for the champ he should've already been fighting for at Phoenix
He didn't choke, it was Nascar who made him lose it because of the format
Feel free to disagree, after all, just my opinion
Nah Harvick was the one driving the car not nascar LOL
I've been following NASCAR for almost 40 years and I couldn't agree more. Great video! Subscribed.
Awesome! Thank you!
I don't think we should ditch the playoffs completely but keep the PO points at a minimum
Your 100% correct. I use to watch almost every race. Now just the Daytona 500, Talladega, and maybe a couple of short tracks.
Blaney is one of my favorite modern drivers but he was not the best driver this season. The playoffs/chase format only rewarded a driver who had the best average finish 3 times since implementation. It is stupid that harvick in 2020 threw together one of the most dominant seasons in NASCAR history yet he still has to attempt a PIT maneuver on bushc to avoid getting eleminated because the points format destroyed his points buildup for the sake of entertainment, then he gets eleminated anyway and the actual championship goes to a guy who was statistically a worse driver than harvick. The worst part about it delegitimizing champions is sometimes the drivers who win the playoff championship were not championship caliber in that season but were in other seasons but didn't win it. My brother has called chase elliot a micky mouse champion since he stole it from harvick in 2020 because of the playoffs, but in 2022 chase WOULD of won a championship under a winston points format. NASCAR's top of the field drivers are still putting on good seasons, they just usually don't get rewarded for it.
Ive always said if someone were to win 35 races in a season and lost the last one they would loose the championship to a driver who just skated by
I am a Blaney fan. That being said I firmly believe that any type of playoff does not belong in any type of motorsports.
Honestly, there’s no point in complaining about it bc nascar will NEVER change unfortunately
Amazing how silent fans have been until their guy didn't win. The playoff format has been a disaster since the start, but as long as one particular owner was wining, nothing was said.
My suggestion would be to pay points back 30 places, have wins mean significantly more than second, and also give points for leading a lap and leading the most laps. You are right that the chase has RUINED the sport. I'd be willing to bet that everybody in the sport hates it, but NASCAR will crush any of them who speak up about it. They've been their own worst enemy since before the Hemi ban in '65.
I've given up at this point. I'm still watching, but Nascar will never be a legitimate motorsport in my eyes. New cars, new tracks or new drivers won't change the fact that the format will always crown who was the luckiest, not the best overall. It's both hilarious and sad that not even moments like Hail Melon helped improve Nascar's visibility or reputation one bit. No one gives a single F. And for good reason. Since the entire organization is at the mercy of TV contracts and sponsorships, they won't back out. They'll continue to repeat the same formula year by year, and still wonder why the ratings continue to decline. But at least they got their drama, right?
As a Blaney fan, I agree that the playoffs are shit. The chase wasn't a huge thing for me either (though, again, one of my favorite drivers did benefit from it).
However I also believe going back to the Winston points format isn't the best either. I'd rather them change it to something more like Indycar, where the better finishes are weighted a lot better compared to lower finishes.
Nascar started losing fans when the chase thing come along
7:32 I swear if I have to here someone say “oH eVeRyOnE hAs SuCh a LoW aTtEnTiOn SpAn” again, I will rip my eyes out.
The powers-that-be have an agenda. Nascar is Americana. And, if nobody has noticed, America is being attacked from every angle. I spent so much of my life being a diehard fan and bringing friends and family to that side. I can barely get a little excited about a race nowadays. 👊😔
I hear what your saying, but your working on 2 centuries in this playoff format. I grew up in the 80s watching the old format, and I feel if people were going to leave, they would have already. I personally see the pros AND the cons to both formats. "...Runing the sport" statement is a hard one to swallow but to each their own. Thanks for the video.
They should just crown two champions at the end of the season. Playoff and season long champion. If one driver wins both. Undisputed champion.
It should just be the most points scored in the playoffs wins the championship so in the last race if Byron won all of the playoff races he would win even if he finished last
very nicely done.. pretty much sums up my thoughts (except the chase I'd like full season points but redone). I think I'll just stop watching, the frustration doesn't help anything.. please lmk when HMS finally gets the championship (which they should have for the past three years as you pointed out)
The playoffs suck the only thing we should be getting is the 12 man chase format
No the Winston format
@@rcguy902 screw the Winston format it's honestly a boring format especially with the new rules , lineups and others
It's been 20 years since a change happend
@epticsstuff3612 no moron it's the best format and crowns a deserving
Champ what we have now is incredibly boring and stupid this format is a joke
@@epticsstuff3612I Agree. The Fanbase Needs To Stop Crying And Complaining, About The Winston Cup Format.
Because, NASCAR Needs To Seriously Go Back To the Original Chase Format, With The 2004-2006 10 Driver/2004-2013 10 Chase Race Format With Chase Points.
And This, Is To ALL, The Jimmie Johnson Haters.
STOP CRYING, AND COMPLAINING ABOUT THE GOD DAMM, WINSTON CUP SERIES, ALONG WITH THE FREAKIN FULL-SEASON POINTS FORMAT!!!
THIS AIN'T 1973/2003, ANYMORE!
@epticsstuff3612 Nascars Winston cup was the best and not boring at all
I hate the playoffs, but here are a few ideas I've had over the 10-race playoff format.
Playoff points accumulated throughout the year are only used to get a driver past a playoff round. If some or all of the playoff points are used to get into the next round, they are gone for good.
End the stage breaks for tracks where it's possible to pit and not lose a lap.
After the second playoff round, let the top eight race the final four races for a championship. The winner will be based on 4 races of points and leftover playoff points.
The final four races need to be a superspeedway, a road course, a short track, and a 1 1/4 to 1/3/4 mile track.
I always welcome new ideas. After reading your post I was lost in the details. Here's what I know, playoff racing is complicated and non playoff Racing would be much simpler. After watching nascar for 50 years I can honestly say that the old rules package was way better
Wow dude, that was spot on! I think nascar has gone woke and will not return to its former self. I started watching and participating in stock car racing in California in like 1989. I lived and breathed stock car racing. Saugus Speedway, Mesa Marin, Orange Show, you name it. I ate it up. But now.... I dont attend, nor watch a race on TV. I cant stand it. And thats pretty much everything about it. I catch up on anything on you-tube. Not going to spend my hours listening to a bunch of 'Hacks' (as Denny so eloquently says) commentating on a race that they are not even attending but watch just like I am. Not worth it anymore.
Sorry, but what do the Playoffs have to do with NASCAR being "woke"? It's not like the Playoffs would disappear if NASCAR wasn't "woke"...
Ok boomer 😂😂😂😂😂
YES to everything but 3:13 he did make the final 4
The old system of using the last 10 races to decide the championship really was better the reason why they took it away is because Jimmy Johnson won six championships with the old format but the fact of the matter was he was the best car in the series the last 10 races of every year that he won and he should have dually been rewarded as such same applies today take the top 16 cars and whoever performs the best in the last 10 races is the deserved champion the 10 Race format was taken away solely because Jimmy Johnson dominated the last half of all the seasons that he won the championship in NASCAR had to invent a way to keep Johnson from winning 10 championships in a row which to me is a racing fan is complete BS. If you dominate the last 10 races of any season you deserve to be the champion.
Solution? Watch Indycar.
Nah man
IndyCar destroyed itself too with its ridiculous schedule
We need a full seaon format that awards winners more than the Winston Format
But I'd gladly take the original chase format over this mess
Most wins format
Man, that's a great video and I gotta ask what's the background music? it's so perfect
NASCAR better watch TF out cause when I win the lottery I’m sanctioning a new body of stock car racing with vintage looking cup cars with modern chassis and we are running a classic points system where a true champion is crowned.
Good luck with that Boomer
You know…a long time ago, the Catholic Church split in two. The Greeks and the Roman’s. Let’s just make a second official nascar points system. Let somebody sanction it.
Both 2020 and 2023 are underserved championships.
Actually sir f1 ratings have slightly dipped in most races and in us markets although what’s really bad is the key 18-49 demographic they are beating nascar in despite nascar having more viewers on tv then f1
Well the fact that theoretically you could win 35 races in a row and finish second on the finale, and not be the champion is crazy 😢
Nascar Racing was at its best back in the late 80's and early 90's. Why couldn't the management within the series understand the concept of " if it ain't broke, don't fix it " this playoff format is not applicable in car Racing because, in stick and ball sports once you are eliminated from championship contention you stop competing. How many fans would want to see just 4 cars race at Phoenix. I fail to see how this is a playoff when all teams continue to compete right through to the last race. Racing is a sport, stick and ball competitions are just games so It's apples to oranges. Sometimes when you don't change something you make it better. Let's try that shall we!!!
The first Chase format was perfect. They should have kept it there.
A full season format would be a snooze fest. No one wants to see a champion decided with three races to go. Why not cancel the remaining races then? No reason to watch them.
why even bother with a year of races if only the last one matters
Byron JHN and heim are NASCAR champions they all earned it I don’t care if NASCAR gives them credit they are the true champions of 2023
Well done video could not have said it better my self. I would love to go back to the old chase format it is better than this garbage.
Dude even the Chase was fine compared to this, and people didn't like that. And their response is to go further, why one race you race everyone every week
But the chase is the problem. I would welcome any change the management of nascar wants to make as long as they make the chase for the championship title 36 races long !!!
I subscribe because we share some very very similar takes on this. NASCAR wants games seven moments. Here’s a thing with games seven moments they’re not supposed to happen every season that’s what makes some game seven moments not every Super Bowl is going to be a nailbiter not every World Series is going to be a nailbiter same goes with NASCAR nailbiter or nailbiter because they rarely happen or they don’t happen as often or half as much, you had seasons where Dale Earnhardt would wrap up the season early like 1994 for Earnhardt and 1998 for Jeff Gordon. It also didn’t help that Jimmy Johnson 15 in a row based on a very flawed point system that anybody with the right mind could see was broken Jimmy Johnson under an organic format where most points wins. He would’ve wanted in 2006 2009 and 2013 he would have 83 wins and three championships making him one of if not the top five best drivers in NASCAR history still speaking of one of his years in 2006… he would’ve beat Matt Keneth by only four points. Had there been a more organic system or the Winston Cup system. Once again these games seven moments aren’t supposed to happen every single year and ever since playoff format started in 2014 it has been almost scripted because the winner of the race went on to win the championship, save a few years. also it didn’t help that some popular drivers were robbed of championships such as Jeff Gordon in 2004, 2007 and 2014 Kevin Harvick was also a victim as well because Kevin Harvick should’ve been a four-time champion. What’s funny as if NASCAR is listening to the TV networks and the TV networks aren’t making the same views that they thought that they would then perhaps the TV networks need to listen to the fans too. We know what we want the drivers know what they want and I know that Bill Frantz and Bill France Junior ruled NASCAR with an iron fist but I really feel like they would have done more listening to the drivers and fans more so than Brian France ever did. What also gets me is when people say that the playoffs are chase makes it more exciting it doesn’t. It just makes it more frustrating when the right person the obvious right person gets denied the championship. I also don’t like it when they say they would’ve race differently. No, you wanna win every race. Every driver wants to win every race because that’s like saying that great drivers like Jeff Gordon, or even Jimmy Johnson were sandbagging for most of the season and only performing in the last 10. I don’t believe that Jimmy Johnson would just take notes stay in the top 10 and only perform well during the last 10 races. I thought that after Brian France was caught with his DUI and being caught with drugs that Jim France would make some much need to changes. Some of them have come, but this championship format needs to go. I like Ryan Blaney I think that he is a good driver and I think that he’s a cool guy but I do not think he should be the 2023 NASCAR cup series champion, and that’s my say on that
Lucas oil late model dirt series did the same thing this year because Ricky Thornton JR would’ve secured the championship weeks before the season ended
Not mention the cars are unimpressive and there's zero racecraft involved.
Having the championship skewed towards entertainment and encourage drivers to do mindless carnage is the reason why I can't take the championship serious. It also rewards mediocrity like with Blaney who had average finish of 14.1 which surpassed Johnson's 2016 championship by a tenth. Then 15 straight races with no finish better than 9th. That includes the first 4 races of the playoffs. Meanwhile Byron on this stretch had finished better than 9th 7 times along with 2 wins and season average finish of 11. We seen this many times since 2014, even since 04, it doesn't matter how impressive your overall season is, it doesn't mean sh*t. Just get hot in the final month of the season and that will get you a title.
well said.
AMEN 🙏. It Sucks! It's OVER
I'm a Penske fan but IMO the only legit Penske championship is Keselowski. END THE PLAYOFFS!
they're gonna embarrass the sport with this shit on Netflix!
As a fan if you don't like what NASCAR has become your power is not to watch it. I watch very few races these days and I have been a long time fan. Stage racing stinks, this Nex Gen car stinks, the playoff system stinks and the Fox broadcast of races is horrible. It breaks my heart to say this but I like watching the NHRA far more than NASCAR these days.
The playoffs were exposed in 2020. I was done with it after that season. The playoffs are stupid and bad. And people that love the use the 2007 NY Giants are not getting it. You can’t use that mentality when it comes to Motorsports. People love to say Kevin Harvick didn’t perform when it mattered most in 2020 which is another dumb argument. He literally only had 1 bad race at Martinsville. He was the best driver over the course of the whole season.
Sure were. I’m getting accused of only complaining now because I’m a Hendrick fan haha. Harvick 1000000% deserved that 2020 title
@@JakeSimRacingI agree on what you said last. I would gladly take the original 10 man chase back. It was the right balance of fairness and entertainment
While a very well researched & argued video, this whole thing just makes me tired. I'm surprised I watched to the end. I DO remember turning down free tickets to the Hooters 500 in Atlanta, because the championship was already decided and the race Didn't Matter. Now we get the argument Spring Darlington doesn't matter instead. They may well figure out the perfect championship, probably not within in my lifetime. I might just watch all the races anyway, because that's what I do and leave all the arguing to others.
I'm pretty sick of it myselph.
I know this is probably controversial but the regular season championship is more legitimate than the NASCAR championship at least the regular season championship is actually awarded to the best driver during the first 26 races
As a Byron fan 2023 was great and horrible I understand blaney had a good end to his year but in the NFL if you start off 0-10 and win the final 7 you are still a losing team no playoffs no championship
You forgot to mention that Christopher Bell made it into the Final 4 despite winning only one race in the regular season (Bristol Dirt) and did nothing until the Round of 8 were he finished 2nd to Larson & won Miami. Imagine if Christopher Bell won the cup. Twitter would be the social media equivilant of the California Wildfires.
100% agree!!!!!!!!
Thank you for this. I seriously do not understand how anyone validates this format. I agree that the original Chase is far from perfect, but can certainly be tweaked to appease fans and higher ups while still creating a legitimate champion.
I have been to many NASCAR races at Ontario and Riverside, I have seen West races at tracks that you haven't heard of, and my last NASCER race that I went to was the first COT race at Phoenix. All of the gimmicks have made me switch to IndyCar, and they are starting to lose me with the bad NASCAR like calls at the Indianapolis 500 this year.
NASCAR is trying to make each race the best race ever. You can't do that, it sets you up for failure. NASCAR has made it to where you will never see a finish like the 1976 or 1979 Daytona 500 ever again. You will never see Bill Elliott come from 2 laps down without a caution to win like he did at Talladega in 1985. They have destroyed the elements that made racing fun and great.
Will Driver A win on fuel mileage while Driver B has fresher tires? We will never know because all drivers are on the same strategy thanks to the stages.
Will the guy who led 70% of the race win? Not with the Green-White-Wreckers...
A driver can lead every lap and win every race but he crashes on the last lap on the last race and he not going to be the champion that's missed up
What if one driver just wins every race? Yes, it is not possible, but if someone did, then the season is over by race 15-16
As it should be. If one driver has a year that is completely insurmountable to everyone else, that’s the rightful champion. It’s so obvious. If you think that wouldn’t be entertaining, you’re mistaken. Jeff Gordon thoroughly dominated in 1998 and everyone knew he would be champion by summertime. To that point NASCAR was never more popular. Domination is good for ratings. People tuned in to watch the #24 win, and others watched to see him lose. People can handle seeing someone they don’t like win as long as it’s legitimate. Nobody at all wants to see your favorite driver lose because of something random.
@mlwilliam213 I started watching 2010 and I don't want to see William Byron WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
@@traviscarpenter08 sure, but nobody could argue that he wouldn’t be a legit champion. Legitimacy >manufactured drama
@mlwilliam213 yes but would you rather have a battle for it or a 150+ point difference
@@traviscarpenter08 everyone would rather it be close, but if someone earns a 150 point lead, it is what it is. In that scenario, the team trailing by 150 just doesn’t deserve it. If they’re gonna reset the points, then everything that happened before that didn’t matter.
If you prefer the playoff format over Winston cup or any other traditional position points format, I highly recommend you stop watching nascar, and all Motorsports for that matter and give WWE a try. You’ll love it!
I've said it since the day the Chase was announced in late 2003... You can't have a gimmick championship format in Auto Racing and have people consider your 'entertainment' a legitimate sport. If you want Monster Jam, WWE bullshit, go watch Monster Jam or WWE. If you want a LEGITIMATE SPORT, go back to the basic idea of the 'Winston System.' 36 races, most points to the winner. No stage break BS, 5 points for leading one lap, 5 points for leading the most laps...
Think about what NASCAR keeps saying "We want fans to be entertained from the start of the race to the finish, so we're going to make two arbitrary cautions that bunch up the field and pay points at those 'breaks'... Which is more entertaining? A field of drivers knowing that at any time, they can race to the lead and get a 5 point bonus which makes them try every single lap? Or knowing they can wait until 2 specific laps to get a point bonus for being in the top 10? The logic is total bullshit folks. Always has been, always will be.
Needing arbitrary caution flags proves two things. Number one, NASCAR isn't above manipulating a race in the name of entertainment, and number two, that the racing product and the cars themsleves suck so much they NEED to manipulate the race or it would be a total snooze fest.... NASCAR is full of men in business suits who got college degrees instead of RACERS who were brought up in the college that was short track racing. Screw NASCAR and anyone who enjoys this bullshit, illegitimate sport. Bill France Sr. and Jr. are rolling over in their graves.
That second paragraph you wrote, ABSOLUTELY FACTUAL! Bonus points were so much more fun, competitive, and legit than stage race ever has been.
Here's what my solution would be to fix NASCAR's Championship Crowning Format:
A lot of Playoffs Defenders will say that a year-in points format is outdated, would never work, and nobody would like it. I obviously disagree. Call me a boomer, autistic, stupid, a moron, and even send a death threat to me if you feel the need, but a year-in points format is literally used in just about every other form of Motorsports you can think of, and it makes sense, because it balances out the chaos of auto racing.
My solution is to go back to the Latford Winston Cup Format with a few changes.
- For starters, one of the biggest criticisms towards the Latford Winston Cup format was that it didn't reward winning enough. From 1975-2003, a win was treated as it was: one position above 2nd, a 5 point difference. For my format, I will refer to the 2007-2010 Latford points system which awards the winner 15 points above 2nd. 2-6 would be separated by 5 points a piece, 6-11 would be separated by 4 points a piece, and 11-43 (yes I would bring back 43 car fields; I'll explain more on that) would be separated by 3 points a piece.
- I would also bring back bonus points and add to them:
• 5 bonus points for leading a lap
• 5 bonus points for leading the most laps
• 5 bonus points for the pole sitter on qualifying day
• 5 bonus points for the fastest lap of the race
• 5 bonus points for the fastest 4-tire pit stop of the race
- I would even keep stage racing as it is now. The only difference is that I would get rid of stage cautions except for maybe on road courses so that it can mix up strategy, and produce more natural excitement while still being legitimate.
- Referring back to when I said that I would bring back 43 car fields, I would also get rid of the Charter System and bring back the top-35 in owners points rule for starting races. And to encourage more cars to try to make the field, I would hold partial distance consolation races for the drivers who missed the show prior to the big race. These would also be points paying races and go under a pretty standard format with every position being seperated by 3 points each. The winner would get 30 points, 2nd would get 27, and so on. In the event that more than 10 drivers failed to qualify for the Cup race, every position from 11th onward would score one single point each as a consolation prize to say, "Thanks for showing up. Better luck next week." This would keep the battle for the top-35 in owners points interesting, and definitely encourage more teams to try to race.
The Xfinity Series and Truck Series would also have similar formats. The differences there however is that the Xfinity Series races would have a top-30 in owners points rule and have 40 competitors start. The Truck Series would have a top-25 in owners points rule and 36-truck fields.
Now is this format perfect? Of course not. No format is, but it's much better and more fair than what we have now.
Go back to your old ways of thinking
@@phoenixfire257 And get the ratings back up? Great idea.
Did you just say bell didn’t make the final four?
No. I said he did make the final four.
@@JakeSimRacing 3:15 would beg to differ
@@JakeSimRacingwell okay look dude if there was a huge way to get rid of the playoffs in NASCAR I'm sure a lot of people would be happy with that.😊
The only truly deserving championships in the playoffs era were in 2017, 2019 and 2021,
Agreed.
@@JakeSimRacing the only three times that it actually matched
The actual champions in the old format:
2014: Jeff Gordon
2015: Kevin Harvick
2016: Kevin Harvick
2018: Kyle Busch
2020: Kevin Harvick
2022: Chase Elliott:
2023: William Byron
Check out dirt track racing way better
Ok apparently most people have attacked my opinions so im sorryvi vocied my opinion. I guess freedom of speech dose not count for me.
I dont watch it anymore they ruined it trying t be like the nfl