Here's What's New With F-150 Lightning For 2024
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- Опубликовано: 16 апр 2024
- Episode 342: Max and Dave go over the new updates and price adjustments Ford has made to the F-150 Lightning for 2024 after a two month sales hiatus.
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Dave with the "Up in smoke" reference 🤣
I am enjoying the irony of this podcast as I listen while towing my camper 400 miles today with my R1T Max Pack.
Nice!!! Love the max pack capability. We have an R1T long range.
Dave is such a goofball I love him so much, great energy to have in the team no matter the video
Thanks! (I think…)
22:00 Spot on, Dave. My husband has owned F150/F250s for 52 years. Last year he bought an R1T and sold the F150.
Unfortunately, the biggest fix the Lightning needs is a something Ford can't fix anytime soon. And that's their dealers.
Other than that, it's the charging -- which will only be fixed on the next generation with it's 800v architecture. However, that $60,000 "Flash" version after the federal rebate with 320 miles of range, is a no brainer over a regular F-150. Especially with the Supercharger access it now has and then getting the monthly subscription to lower the rate to the same as for Teslas. Or if you can charge at home or work.
Unless you tow long distances (over 300 miles) very often, there's no need for a gas F-150 anymore with all the advantages the Lighting offers. Just powering your house or all your heavy-duty work tools right from the truck and negating the need for a noisy, smelly generator and all the fuel needed for it pays for the little difference in price.
This truck is going to make Ford Motor Company a fortune. There are big time details to be worked out mainly in making the truck more "rugged" for contracting work as the Tesla Cybertruck is already doing in a huge way but so long as towing is under 200 miles these vehicles will be minting money for those who do construction, short distance hauling and towing, lawn care you name it. No one is even close to competing with Tesla but Ford at least is in the game and has survived to tell about it. Not sure about Rivian at the moment though not for lacking in near perfect execution for their "stable." Both Ford and Rivian have simply failed to execute upon building out a charging infrastructure.
@@doolittlegeorge You are aware that the Supercharger network is now open to both Ford and Rivian, correct? They no longer need their own charging network.
All they need to do is make sure to place the port in one of the 2 correct locations --passenger front or driver's rear. Ford has already confirmed that their next models will all come with their ports in one of those 2 locations. And Rivian better get on board or they'll go under.
Ford dealers are why I bought a Rivian instead of a ford.
Shocked, you guys did not mention the biggest change the addition of a heat pump
I hate charging that closing flap. I say that with love.
Cool interesting point from Dave about the charging flap . A auto shut feature would be very useful.
I’ve had both manual and automatic charge doors and I worry about the reliability of the automatic door as the vehicle ages.
I guess I’ve spent my whole life manually closing the fuel door on all my vehicles, so I don’t find it a problem.
I do think the latch mechanism should be a bit more robust, it just feels a bit frail.
One un-mentioned change to the 2024 is the elimination of the “dummy” port cover on the passenger side, dashing all hopes for a passenger/front charge port to more seamlessly access the older NACS chargers with the micro-cables.
@@chriswestenskow5202 interesting to know , about tue dummy port door. Will be a handy way to date a vehicle. As far as i can tell there is very little difference for a lariat 24 other than when walk away it locks itself.
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I thought someone outside my house was doing lawnwork, but it's coming from this podcast. Is that a leaf blower?
I would love to see a test of the standard range being driven like its design versus the extended range driven, like how most people do.
The difference is it's designed for shorter stop of 15-20 mins And then the charging curve dies off. Waiting for it to get back to 80 or 90% is a complete waste of time and take alot longer. Unless you just don't have access to charging stops.
Will some of these updates be uploaded into older fleet Lightnings?
A Flash with Max Tow Package is about ~$75k with cloth seats. But you can get nice fitting aftermarket leather seat covers for under $1k. Otherwise you’d upgrade about $5k-$8k to get leather.
I think it was Monroe that noted that the lightning was assembled with ICE parts like heater hoses etc. I imagine they fixed all that when they put in the new heat pump.
I had a couple of cloudy days recently. So instead of charging my home solar batteries with the grid, I charged them up using my lightning. I just recently purchased a 10k inverter which I've been using solely to charge my lightning from the sun. Slow because I can only use my ford 240 volt 7200 watt charger but that's fine. So the next day I had a sunny day and charged my lightning back to 85%. I have close to 17kw of solar panels so whenever I'm not charging my lightning i have excess solar energy. Next up i need more Lithium-ion batteries. Currently i only have 23 kwh total battery power.
Dave and Max!
I’m not a person who needs a pickup truck but if I did, without question I would get the F150 Flash version. Even w/o the tax credit it is much cheaper than the Cybertruck whose current available editions start at $80k and do not have the features that the Ford offers. From what I’ve seen of the F150 road tests, it rides much better and has more visibility than the CT had and most importantly has the instrument panel where it should be..in front of the driver instead of off to the side like the CT. Give Ford and yes, GM another year or so and they will be providing much more competition for Elon and Co.
Plus many many more extras
That $60,000 "Flash" version after the federal rebate with 320 miles of range, is a no brainer over a regular F-150. Especially with the Supercharger access it now has and then getting the monthly subscription to lower the rate to the same as for Teslas. Or if you can charge at home or work.
Unless you tow long distances (over 300 miles) very often, there's no need for a gas F-150 anymore with all the advantages the Lighting offers. Just powering your house or all your heavy-duty work tools right from the truck and negating the need for a noisy, smelly generator and all the fuel needed for it pays for the little difference in price.
I drive a short range lariat lightning at work and it is a great truck. I would buy a long range if I was in the market for a new truck right now.
Nice to see Ford’s new updates. Anybody see one used by a garden maintenance company? It’d be ideal for a fully battery-powered system that environmentally conscious home or business owners would pay a premium for. I also recall Zac and Jesse at NYK reported that gas-powered lawn equipment will have to go green in a few years..maybe in California 🤔 Lotsa love to all ❤❤❤
What type of battery are they using in 2024 Flash Trim? Is it lithium ion or LFP?
It be good if you made a battery technology video comparison between Ford, tesla, Chevrolet, and BYD. What is the life expectancy of each.
There were tons of F150s stacking up recently, not just the Lightning. Not sure why, though.
Interest rates.
I was going to purchase a lightning but now I gotta wait for a one with a heat pump
4:00 Thanks for the content. GM: I'm not happy about the Chevy Silverado EV until I see some at my local dealer in western North Carolina. R1Ts exist. Lightnings exist. Silverado EVs don't exist for the US non-fleet consumer.
Correct. I was excited about the reviews of the Chevy Silverado EV however, when I visited the dealership last week, they said they already had 80 reservation holders and in the last few months, only one truck came in, which was a work truck version which no one wanted. Obviously Chevy is not interested in satisfying market demand at this time. Others will pick up market share instead of them.
In my opinion Ford has to make F150 Lightning with 300 miles range standard,and or F150 Lightning with gas/ battery powered combination, plug in. It will sell crazy, cause F150 and trucks generally are not only work trucks no more. They are daily commute now.
I don’t think the charging in the Ford is limited by battery thermals, I think it is limited by heating in the HV wiring harnesses, so tweaking of the charging curve would involve going to larger conductors throughout the harness.
For me, the Flash would be the sweet spot, if it were not for the absence of ventilated seats. I personally don’t find the big glass roof in the Lariat to add much value. A Flash with an option to add ventilated seats would be perfect for me.
When I try to Supercharge my 2023 Lightning via Plug-and-Charge and my A2Z adapter, I always seem to always get a "charge station fault" in the truck. But when I activate the same charger via Tesla's app, it works fine. And afterwards, that charging session is displayed in FordPass under the Charge Logs. Why won't Plug-And-Charge (which of course I've activated) just work?!?
I've read of people having trouble with non Tesla/Ford adapters.
@@bearcubdaycare As I understand it, the adapter is just a pass-through device that also monitors temperatures. It doesn't alter any data or ID itself to either Tesla or Ford. So I don't see how the adapter could cause a Ford Plug-and-charge failure, yet work fine when Tesla initiates the charge.
I have the A2Z and have used it many times with no issues. Works perfectly. Have you received the Ford software update for Tesla superchargers?
@@SCSLead Yes, I have all the latest OTA updates. But I've only tested one SC location so far, so that could be a factor. If it has problems with other SC locations, then I'll probably reach out to Ford. Especially once I finally get my official adapter.
I could buy if range was high 350 highway winter range
Yeah and winter incudes 40 below
I had the makings of a good deal on a 2023. However, even with the ER battery option it was NOT going to work. The 4-5 times I haul out the camper, charging would be an issue. State parks in my area do not have charging capacity. That requires HAVING to find charger before dragging the camper home. I have 300+ miles range while towing with my highlander hybrid. Lightning would be 100.
Ford Lighting + 6.5’ bed + NACS + new split tailgate = Take my money
Don’t bother with blue cruise,
Just make sure u have lane centring , adaptive cruise, lane keeping etc, then just tie wrap at the 20 and 2 o’clock position on the steering wheel 1.5 pound bean bags or weights, there’s your working man blue cruise without the subscription rip off
I think all trims on 2024 has heat pump
Also flash trim is 2024 only
Tesla beta FSD still requires hands on the steering wheel. Not closing the charging door is just Dave forgetting to do it. I have no problem closing the door flap for any of my vehicles.
I just got an email from Ford, promoting the Flash. “Available Ford BlueCruise** hands-free highway driving.” “Available” usually means “extra-cost.”
F150 Lightning is by far the most powerful/beatiful/luxurious truck ever produced, BUT this latest battery nightmare needs to be addressed, I’ve a suggestion: (A) power boost with better gas mileage , or (b) plug-in version with let’s say 40ml battery. Trucks are every person use now. I personally don’t haul nothing but I love the F150. I was so close buying lightning and I’m so glad I didn’t.
The GMC/Chevy EV trucks will definitely put the heat on the Lightnings. I like the looks of the Lightning but the faster charging and longer range abilities of the competition will be a problem Ford will have to do something about.
Not favoring either one here as this is a tradeoff. The big battery trucks have more range but less payload and tow. The smaller battery like the rivian and cyberTruck get less range but haul and tow more. And I would imagine not dragging around a preloaded pickup has advantages. On the other hand my old K 1500 rides like a truck when it is empty. :)
$7500 Tax credit plus $1500 Tesla competition discount = $9000 so 58k FLFLASH ??
@ 5:35 they start to talk about what's new.
When Kyle ran it to dead (on the 70mph test), wasn’t it already at zero SOC?
Biggest problem with all these manufacturers is quality control. Everyone of them is having tons of recalls. Buyers don't want to spend their money on something that's basically broken out of the gate.
Ford F-150 lightning the fastest way to turn $90,000 into $40,000
If you buy the top of the line Ford F-150 lightning drive it for 500 miles go back to trade it in you pay $90,000 plus, you will get 38,000 for your trade of a week old. Vehicle.
7:40 My Ioniq 6 has a heat pump, our R1T does not.
There’s a lightning at my local dealer that has an msrp of $79k and they’re asking $35k for it. It’s a standard range lariat
Did you buy it?
Similar situation here. '23 XLT Standard Range (MSRP of ~59k). it's been rotting on the lot for at least 4-5 months, you can see streaks in the paint from water marks where it hasn't been moved or washed that entire time either... They knocked 15k off of the MSRP (I think they're currently asking $42,995), and if you qualify for the $7500 fed incentive... That's 35k for a brand new full size 4wd pickup. If only more of the Superchargers in my state were open to non-Teslas.
@@Ryzac2 no because I live in PA and we get some cold winters. Plus I have a travel trailer I use routinely in the summer. If it was the long range model I would have strongly considered just trying it out
There is a 2023 Platinum trim originally priced at $93k that's been on the lot since November '22 at my local Ford dealership and it's dropped down to $78k. Still a little too much but hoping it starts to drop a little more now that the 2024s are coming out
I’m in a holding pattern right now. With the 24s now coming out that give more options to consider and maybe better deals.
CyberTruck software is at rev 0.9
I was a reservation holder with a number in the 170,000 range. when I built my reservation the price was $68,000. Then when the reservation came due Ford raised the price on my XLT Extended range battery from $68,000 to over $80,000 needles to say i lost my mind, I was so angry with Ford and then four month later they contacted me and said "for this one time only we are going to drop the price to $72,000" oh how gracious of you Ford. needless to say I was still pissed and cancelled my order. Now the final to this long story, just yesterday I purchased an F-150 Lighting XLT Extended range for $69,000 with tax and licensing. FORD it is all about the pricing!!! listen to your customers and don't jerk us around. Oh and don't forget to give the current PODUS some love for the tax breaks that mad this purchase possible.
I don’t agree Dave. You and Kyle never did anything different from Tom yet your truck ran out before you ran out of miles. Zero buffer also. Big problem if it can’t take a little work without maintaining accuracy on the miles left or state of charge. That has to be fixed. Before I buy I want to know what I can get for miles and the charge curve. I don’t mind stopping and charging to 80 like Tom says as long as I can get a reasonable charge rate. I would never be like Kyle in the cyber truck and charge that many times but a long day behind the wheel is necessary. Heck that wasn’t even with a load.
Not very good range! Definitely Ford has to increase mileage, otherwise it will be slow seller.
Once Cybertruck ramps up and Tesla offers one for $50k you will very much see contractors using them for work.
Chevy power.
If a F150 Lightning was to be succesful in Ireland , it would have to have rear wheel steering and it would need to be about 3 feet shorter in length. That means the bed would reduce to 2.5 feet capacity which would be crappy for most construction and farm use. So that means , there would need to be a pass through from the bed area into the cabin area , by folding down the rear seats , current F 150 doesnt have this. While the F 150 Lightning is brillant , to make it work in Europe there is a tonne of design changes needed. Almost a total rework of the design is needed. Id keep the main rolling chassis , helps to dampen road vibrations , id keep the battery unit isolated from the frame and use it as a tuned mass damper . Crucially id design the battery pack to be modular , so can add extra range , in 15kg to 20kg quick fit modules. The reason being 90 per cent of the time , 80 mile range would be eneough , when i need extra range id add modules by hand , just like loading luggage , quick easy no tools. When those modules are not needed for travelling they become a powerwall working all year around to power my home. Another crucial design feature all new trucks should have is a sleeping configuration. Remove typical centre console , add hatch into frunk area from main cabin. Achieve over 7 feet fully stretched out area . Also one last thing the height of the bonnet needs to be lowered about 6 inches , to make viewing out more pleasant , cooling fans need to be relocated , so frunk space not lost. Other than that the F 150 ligtning is the best overall Ev truck available , price wise , size wise and useability wise.
I drive this over in the states and it's big even over here.
Makes more sense to send a ranger size EV to Europe.
F150 HYBRID does well on towing so thats an option
If you lease an EV, you will get the whole $7,500 tax credit without income and battery restrictions.
I was hoping for some Tesla lay-offs comments ...
It’s simply too expensive.
Is it still expensive when we look at the cheaper Ice truck including fuel costs? It's been my experience so far owning Tesla cars that the higher price and lowering operating costs are about the same for an ice car with fuel costs added in. Ice car pricing is border line deceptive since they never talk about fuel costs when calculating your true monthly payments.
How so?
That $60,000 "Flash" version after the federal rebate with 320 miles of range is a no brainer over a regular F-150. Especially with the Supercharger access it now has and then getting the monthly subscription to lower the rate to the same as for Teslas. Or if you can charge at home or work.
Unless you tow long distances (over 300 miles) very often, there's no need for a gas F-150 anymore with all the advantages the Lighting offers. Just powering your house or all your heavy-duty work tools right from the truck and negating the need for a noisy, smelly generator and all the fuel needed for it pays for the little difference in price.
Why is Max so god damn hot?
Ikr
I know you guys are sitting here boosting up these F150 lightnings unfortunately the EV markets going out of business like ASAP. The dealerships here in my city they got hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds sitting average price about $88,000 who the right is going out and purchasing an $88,000 truck with average rates between eight and 9%, give me a break and nobody buying these shit shit boxes
Im writing this from Ireland , where we cant get a F 150 Lightning at all , would have to import and then modify to righthand drive not really feasible to do. Guess what there is a new 4x4 electric jeep for sale , called Maxmus first electric jeep and its made in China , the Chinese beat the Americans into the Irish market. That tells me the managment of Ford , are behind in there goals. As for overpriced F150 in America , thats called grifting , thats poor from Ford managment to allow that to happen , customers have memories , just lousy ripping people off , even if they can afford it.
Ford makes a lot of profit on the gas F-150's but they're losing a lot of money on the Lightnings. Definitely not "grifting" on there EVs. It's still too expensive sourcing batteries.
A battery costs approx 10k , so a lightning should only be 10k above a gas truck. The problem is they are 20 to 30k above where they should be , thats before the dealers , grift extra again on top.
A Truck needs to tow. 80 miles is not acceptable.
Most people don’t tow lol 😂 with a f-150 and even if they do tow most don’t to tow more then 100 miles 😂 . Think 🤔 of this if you own a boat 🚤 you live within 50 miles of the ocean 🌊 or a lake lol 😂
@@williampisano7573 If you don't tow, buy yourself an electric SUV. Drives way better than a truck. If you tow buy a Silverado.
Most of the people in my neighborhood sure don't tow anything with their pickups
Why do people think it only tows 80 miles? Was there some video that lied about the results?
@@Josh-179 tons of videos + personal experience (82 miles 7500 lbs. and the battery died)