Francie Finds EVs in France! Curbside Charging And Growing Adoption
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- Опубликовано: 18 апр 2024
- Episode 344: Francie is back on the podcast, tuning in from France! And she discusses the state of electrified vehicles and infrastructure, plus some fun sightings of cars not available in the US!
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One of the things that makes curbside charging more practical in the UK/EU is that j1772 type 2 charging units don't seem to have cords attached in most cases. You own your own portable cord (which you plug into both ends (vehicle & chargepoint). No cord flopping around the chargepoint means less likelihood of damage, with resulting increased reliability and decreased maintenance costs.
I’d like to thank Francie and her Podcast/RUclips video for tipping me off a few weeks ago to the lease deal offered on the Hyundai Ioniq 6. On her tip I researched it, printed out a few Tru Car lease offers on the car, and ended up getting one. So far it’s been a great car, far better than any other gas car I’ve ever driven. Thanks for the tip!
Congrats. Nice car. If I was to buy a new car this would be very high on my list.
So glad we could give you some useful electric info!
I haven't gone to France recently, but we have a great time EV spotting when we go to Austin, Dallas, and San Antonio.
In Seattle we now have curbside chargers that are mounted ~15’ up on the telephone poles. You activate them via an app and the J1772 descends down on the cord and you plug in. When you unplug, it gets pulled back up and out of the way. It’s rad!
It also looks really wonky when cars use curbside charging and they yank the cord up and over the car and plug in on the driver/streetside.
Also, cable theft is becoming a huge issue up here. Evgo has had the cables swiped within 2 weeks of their new fast chargers opening at a local grocery store. They were replaced within a few weeks, and I noticed they were cut off again a few weeks back. Seems they last 7 to 10 weeks before the CCS cables get stolen.
I've seen them. But, the city needs to quickly realize that one or two chargers per neighborhood doesn't scale very well; in order for drivers to feel confident in actually being able to charge when they need it, you need whole city blocks lined with level 2. To really work, finding an available charger needs to be not that much harder than searching for general street parking.
This is why the passenger side is the correct side for the charging port.... at least in countries where we drive on the right side of the road.
Francie in France! Try a Jamón, œuf, fromage crêpe…….you will not be disappointed…..and after dinner a Nutella Crêpe for desert……Keep up the great content!
Jordan, thanks for the Top Gear reference… As soon as you guys were talking about the French not caring about cars, I knew I watched something that was very funny on the topic but couldn’t remember exactly what. Ya. That was great!!
I'd think there would be quite a few Zoe and Megane EV's as they sell a lot of them in France (and across Europe). But, like many of the lower-priced EV's in Europe, they look like their ICE counterparts. Good point on Europe having 22kw charging easily vs USA's much lower L2 base. Critical to the street charging where I'm at is that police absolutely will ticket drivers that park in them and aren't plugged in charging.
Yes there are! I missed mentioning them but I’ve seen aplenty of Zoe’s and Megane’s here⚡️
Enjoy France!
I just arrived in Korea two days ago. Yesterday I saw a curbside fast charger!
I used to live here and owned an Ioniq Electric from 2020-2022 and have visited twice a year since. So I'm familiar with the charging landscape here and this was definitely new to me. Only 50 kW but can't complain.
For anyone who might be in the area and wants to check it out, it's around the corner from Hullyeonwon Park in Jongno, in Seoul
Twizy in Juan les pins instead of Paris is because of the weather.
Wow working from France!! Go francie! Be sure to take some time off and enjoy yourself overseas. EVs in France… very exciting. The VW bus is a highlight.
Thank You folks for All that you are doing for our Planet Earth.... Peace.. Shalom.. Salam.. Namaste
🙏🏻 😊 ✌ ☮ ❤ 🕊
PS: dont listen to your boss Francy, he can show the DC chargers on the highway. Show the 200mph TGV, find some small mini cars like Twizy, the new Silence 04 with battery swap. May be you find a Renault shop on Champs Elysee with the newest R5/Megane etc. 😅
There was a study in France 15 - 20 years ago that correlated proximity to diesel fumes for children with higher cancer rates. It was so profound that i believe ( from my memory of the event ) that it rang the death knell for deisel.
One way to avoid the "$50,000/foot" cost to wire charge points in NYC would be to use existing lampposts. With new LED streetlights taking less power, there should be power available for EV charging. The J3400 "bring your own cable" option would eliminate issues with tethered cables getting damaged or impeding foot traffic.
Charging along the payroads is surprisingly good and deserves some coverage, at least my experience vacationing with an EV in France.
Hey, spent the morning targeting 0% arrivals on an EV road trip in France, trying to optimize "a la OOS" 😅. Nice (word, not the city) to get your point of views to all because even in France the EV market and news are much less optimistic these days !
Some bits of information:
- Paris is much more advanced on EV than any other major French city, with the city administration’s long fight against pollution (leading to constrain cars and favor public transport & bike/alike) that gave remarkable results in the last 20 years. So plenty of EV is a way for drivers to survive the local politics.
- South-East / Provence enjoys a s****-load of sun all year long, twizzys make so much more sense there than in the rainy and cold capital
- highways are now well covered with DC chargers, onboard planners start to make much less sense when one can charge at the first stop on passing 20-10%, with at least 4 (up to 20+) stalls. Still a bit expensive if mixing networks, but availability has come a long way in the very recent years and highway stops with charging always include amenities.
- historic plans to support the Renault Zoe lead to a wide spread of 22kW-AC single or dual stalls in some regions (west, south-west for sure), very handy for a boost while visiting something but with an uncertain reliability and certain hurdles in getting the charge to start (networks, poor 4G, no credit cards, clumsy apps, etc...)
Eager to ear from an inpromptu road-trip 😄
One thing that makes urban level 2 charging much easier in a city like Paris is good public transport. That is, when you're looking for a level 2, you're not necessarily constrained to locations within walking distance of where you want to go - any location that's on the way to where you are going which has good Metro service to get you the rest of the way will do.
This is very different from the U.S., where a level 2 charger pretty much has to be in the exact parking lot that services your destination, or it's effectively unusable. (In theory, transit agencies could set up level 2 at commuter park and ride lots; in practice, such chargers would be easy targets for thieves and vandals, and probably not last very long.)
If it helps, as far as New York is concerned, looking at architecture, any building costs almost twice as much as anywhere else in the US. Sad to say, everyone has their hand out (hint hint). It’s what I’ve learned during my time in design.
Great to finally see some talk about EV cars that we get here in EU 😅😊❤. Great podcast keep up with great work. Did you see Dacia Spring 😊😂😂
The CO2 rule is to keep out Chinese cars. When it comes to recycling, in Europe cars are the most recycled Products. About 90% of the cars mass gets recycled.
It's there to keep out badly manufactured vehicles in general. Right now that may be many Chinese cars, but there are better Chinese cars too, like Polestar, who are focusing very much on emissions during production, so those cars are not targeted even though they are from China, because they are well made (emissions-wise).
How nice is Neice!
Word of caution about Sixt: I was on a doc production in London. Sixt rented us a 9 pass van with a bald tire. Didn't notice it was bald until we came out to a flat. Sixt apologized and sent a new van out. So far so good. A few months later I get an email from Sixt charging me for the replacement tire. Several months of fighting this I refused to pay and they banned me worldwide. Would not rent from them anymore anyway...
I hear Bayeau is beautiful. I've been to Paris twice and Carcassonne once.
Yeah for motorcycles and bikes it would be great if the cable would already be attached in Europe (: 11-22kW is totally too much so it would DC CCS2 Fast charge but then the connector is too big!
Careful with EU/US/Australia ev rentals etc. Plan ahead, test download charging apps. Met a family from AUS in Germany who switched their rental to etron and had big issues with app store and charging apps. Only solution was to use a tesla app and chargers, which is not limited by region...
Cheers Francie and the team
@Francie I would love to see a comparison of the total cost and breakdown of all taxes, fees between a ICE and EV in France especially a performance version like Golf R vs Tesla Model 3 performance. France charges a hefty charge for ICE vehicles on engine size and horsepower where EVs have none or less. I have heard the performance ICE cars can have 50% penalty fee of MSRP which makes some of them prohibitive vs an EV. Also there are low emission zones in some cities where EVs get a pass and ICE vehicles are penalized. More coverage on these topics would be great.
Paris, tellement plaisant d'y aller! C'est vrai qu'ils ont plusieurs véhicules électriques que nous n'avons pas en Amérique...pourtant ici au Québec on devrait avoir un certain marché pour les Renault ou Peugeot!!!
On the subject of charging in the US, I saw something different this week when I was in Lancaster PA. I found a set of public level 2 Tesla chargers that had a J1772 adapter added onto the NACS plug. I had to remove the J1772 adapter to plug into my model Y. The plug with the J1772 adapter installed fit right inside the plug hanger built into the charger.
Tesla Universal Wall Connector. Been out for about a year
Sixt definitely has the “more interesting”EV selection now depending on airport or station followed by Hertz and Europcar. We were just in Switzerland and grabbed a BMW iX40 from Sixt.
You guys are having too much fun for this to be a job. 😊
Quality information prevails
The 'purple' is lavande Wich is a flower used in perfume. The city for that is Grasse.
We have DC 150kw+ at all stops. Ac charging of course for longer parking.
When in France, OOS crew takes pictures of EVs. Damn with The Eiffel Tower, Notre Dame, etc.. :)
There is way more EV diversity in Europe than USA/Canada. I do the same and it drives my wife insane
Francie in France? She must be a real francie pants!
Francie thanks for this Podcast. Im interested in people who cannot charge at home. ’ve just come back from visiting my son in Paris. He has an apartment in 18th arrondissment and does not even have somewhere to park a car nearby. When he had a car he parked it in a garage. So would have to use public chargers ( his garage not offering charging). If I remember correctly you yourself do not have off street parking where you live. So how do you get on?
in france is no Type 2 attached to the on unit it is forbidden. the price of the paris public AC station is very expensive
Speaking of french EVs, I saw a Renault Fluence (2012 model) for sale at a local dealer - I was surprised to see a rare EV within 2km of my home, especially when there are no EVs in my neighborhood...
No notice of the Peugeot e208, e308, 3008? 508sw phev? Renault Megane eTech? Zoe?
First!
The adoption of Hybrid and Ev in France is mostly 2 folds. The cost of gas here is way more than in the US.
The gov is adding cost “malus” to ICE cars. For example to buy a GR86 you have to pay 30,000€ on top of the price. It kills these cars and incentivizes people to buy EV and PHEV.
If you are from the US and you want to rent a car in the EU you will need to have an international drivers permit. Some EU countries allow you to use your US drivers license for a period of time.
£11,000
BYD Yuan UP: How Is This So Affordable?!
Wheelsboy
We got AC charging cables/EVSEs wrong right from the start.
The cables, including switchable level one and two EVSEs should be built into every EV as standard equipment. Instead of a port, every car would have its own retractable AC cable.
This would mean no concern about vandalized or poorly maintained cables at public chargers, and far less cost for businesses, apartment buildings and municipalities who want to install charging infrastructure.
I would be willing to bet that ICE factories use as much or more energy to make there cars. So, I think it is fair to only consider energy consumption after they leave the factory. If anti EV people want to include pre-production energy use, then they should do the same calculations for ice vehicles.
Very different in france
I tried renting an ID Buzz from Sixt in France and they tried to give me a 9 seater diesel Toyota with a knackered clutch. Not going to bother with them again.
Oh dear that's pretty off base!
Recycling materials in Europe is not a new fashion trend of recent years. It has existed for many decades for glass, metals and paper and for plastics for at least the last 20 years. In the last decade, have been launched programs to reduce bio and food waste by optimizing product chains, putting unsold food in food banks instead of in the garbage and organic material for biogas production. The goal is to reduce the amount of waste going to landfill to 10% or less by 2035. In the EU in 2020, more than a half (59.1%) of the waste was treated in recovery operations: recycling (39.9% of the total treated waste), backfilling (12.7%) or energy recovery (6.5%). The remaining 40.9 % was either landfilled (32.2%), incinerated without energy recovery (0.5%) or disposed of otherwise (8.2%).
Also, market share news are hyped by journalists/influencers who want to create a sensation, but it is important to look at the real numbers. If you compare the EU market in Q1 24 with Q1 23, you will find an increase of 3.8% for BEVs , 7.5% for PHEVs and 19.7% for HEVs but a decrease of 1% for petrol and 10.6% for diesel. So you need to ask your colleagues and friends what their motivation is for publishing misleading information. Just because Tesla sales in the EU were down 4.7% in Q1'24 compared to Q1'23 doesn't mean the entire BEV market is down.
Anyway, Francie, I think you've seen more EVs but you didn't recognize them because many of them from French manufacturers like Citroën, DS, Peugeot or Renault don't have some extravagant design to be classified as EVs at first glance. Just visit websites of these companies to know what to look fo in France. A few weeks ago, press/media days were held for the Peugeot e-3008 and Renault Scenic E-Tech. So somewhere there should be a few of these cars available for review or test drive.
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Guys, we need a little more substance than "I went to France and saw some EVs".
It is becoming clear that curbside charging (both Level 2 and DC fast charging) is going to be important for a broad adoption of EVs.
It is also becoming clear that detachable, owner-supplied cables will be the future. The Rube Goldberg solutions of high-mounted chargers with retractable cables seems too complicated to me.
Where I live, Montreal, QC. We are insanely well covered with curbside L2 and DCFC
Why waste time taking a 'road trip' in France when you can ride in the fastest EV in France - the TGV.
~11:00 Let's get the conversion to renewables DONE, and then the manufacturing emissions will be ZERO.
Lots of Twizzys in France because teenagers are allowed to drive them before they're 18. So well off Families purchase them.
I'm in France, drive an EV and would love to meet you/show you around the EV landscape here. But I'm in the Toulouse area right now. Will you come this way? Kyle, French people not caring about their cars is as true as Americans are all fat i.e. there's some truth to that, but it's a stereotype. Perhaps we'd all do better if we avoided stereotyping other people altogether?
We will be south in Les Baux-de-Provence which looks closer to Toulouse than Paris!
@@heyfrancie It's a beautiful area, plan to go to the Carrières de Lumière as well. The ChargeMap app can show you chargers nearby if you want to see them. There are a few not too far. Have a great trip!
Kyle leave francis alone she is on jolidays, stop guilt tripping her 😊
I heard about a recent study that actually found EVs to be worse with CO2 emissions when incorporating increased tire wear and brake dust caused by the EVs being heavier than ICE vehicles. I’d like to see an episode discussing that study.
There are lots of studies like that one and often they are indirectly financed by the big oil companies.
@@rockshox71 I’m not accusing EV companies or green lobbies of financing pro-EV emission studies. I’m not even saying that pro-ICE studies are accurate. I’d be doing research before making a claim like yours.
The studies I've seen indicate that an EV emits more CO2 than ICE during the manufacture, but you make that back from emitting less while driving. The exact break even point depends on factors such as the specific model of the EV and ICE vehicle you're comparing it to, as well as how clean the power grid is. But, on average, an EV charged by a grid powered by 80% fossil fuels only needs to drive around 30,000 miles or so before the total CO2 emissions becomes less than an ICE vehicle. The only way an EV exceeds its ICE equivalent in emissions is if it either has a ridiculously huge and heavy battery pack, or the car gets totaled in an accident shortly after manufacture.
Of course, it should be noted while EVs are cleaner than equivalently-sized ICE vehicles, this does not mean that every single EV is cleaner than every single ICE vehicle. Vehicle size and bulk still matters and, yes, a Toyota Prius indeed does produce less lifetime CO2 emissions, on average, than an EV Hummer. But, comparing a Hummer to a Prius is not exactly apples to apples and even the EV Hummer is still better emissions-wise than a gas-powered Hummer.
@@ab-tf5fl Having “seen” studies or hearing them echoed isn’t a good basis to believe their assertions.
I’m familiar with the perspective you laid out, but like I said, the major studies early on didn’t account for emissions from tire wear.
@@Swapnil638 I did.
You guys claim to not be biased towards Tesla… yet report on every negative news from other automakers and nothing said about the Cybertruck recall 🤔
(((((((()(FRANCIE))))))))) back in game glad ur here ty for being a major part of th team . Great job team
I hope you were being sarcastic, but happier societies aren't gonna come out of EVs.
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