I read the Ashby study recently, focusing primarily on the FOC sections. Penetration aside, FOC also provides great improvements to flight characteristics, makes fletching more effective, and can allow smaller fletching to achieve similar control of the arrow due to the benefits of the longer rear lever arm. Ashby was a bright human. Thanks for great content.
My boys and I switched to Adult Arrows this year after watching your videos. It was a very successful season. We all went at least 650 grains and GrizzlyStik single bevels. Every deer dropped within 40 yards and some dropped in their tracks! Shot angle wasn't an issue. Thank you again for convincing me to make the switch after 30+ years of slinging Twizzlers.
I got a doe with a single bevel (with a bleeder) and the damage internally was devastating. I pulled a couple of lung chunks out. Not from my knife, the head did it. Amazing.
I shoot cutthroats and I noticed that the last doe I hit in the lung, the lung tissue around the wound was stretched where the broadhead kept spinning all the way through. Nobody can tell me that don't make a huge difference
I haven’t gone down the rabbit hole yet. but I have noticed a huge difference in my killing effectiveness. so far by just shooting a good quality head that is actually sharp. even with a head that is 1 1/8 wide I’m getting better blood trails and quicker kills that the 2in mechanical head i used before.
I set up my first carbons when David Petersen started writing about Dr Ashby on the TradBow forum. I’ve had nothing but great results. My only problem with the high FOC arrow is getting them outta stumps when stump shooting. I have my judos set up like my field points, like my Tuffheads setup. Good stuff here RF. Thanks, dc
Drink/smoke the Fairy Dust! Make the plunge and go single bevels. Practice, nock tune, practice some more. Success will happen. No need to track when they go 20/40 n fall over.
@@Talonthir Oh I have. Lol!! I built and tuned my arrows last year as I upgraded to adult arrows (610gr. Total w/250 gr up front). They were flying awesome! Right now I'm using Magnus Stinger (150 gr), but I like that single bevel rotation, plus I like how sharp he got those single bevels. I do well sharpening my Magnus, but I'm tinkering.
@@ericwiitala5407 idk if you've watched all of Ranch Fairies stuff, but THP has done some content with him and it was a eye opener for me and many others. Can't get enough of this. You got this it'll happen. That sweet pass through n D£θD A$$ FμC£ Deer or Elk will happen!
@@Talonthir Oh I have. I was following the THP crew and saw their initial video with the Ranch Fairy. I''m right there with you and all in on Dr. Ashby's research.
Very practical observation. After seeing some of your autopsies and my own with three blade double bevel Montecs, I was fairly certain how the performance would be. 👍🏼
Great demonstration. Innovative Outdoorsman did an excellent test on single bevels and was able to pull the flight apart layer by layer to show rotation. I'm currently on the fence about them while using crossbow bolts.
I'm a sponge and Fairy Dust n Ashby knowledge is the water.... Keep em coming... BTW where's the rocket man? Need another deep dive into some arrow ballistics w/ Ashby knowledge.
Awesome test. Question although random but interesting I think, could a three blade be a single bevel? Would it want rotate even after impact? Just food for thought. Keep up the great work sir.
You are crazy and i love it. I have a question for you. Im using a Excalibur Bulldog 440. I like using a heavier arrow setup. What broadhead do you recommend? I lean more towards a single bevel.
Can you add some type of measurement of insertion force? Then compare the three to compare and contrast which is more or less, or if there is no difference that makes a difference?
Not gonna do that. At least not gonna do the whole video over this one is about rotation. Simple machine Anyway - measuring force on a potato or gel, or wood or water is only as good at the medium you test. It’s literally that test for that exact medium. Animals are multiple mediums as the arrow passes through whatever it hits. That is worth measuring and my prediction is it is highly variable
@@RanchFairy Did not expect a redo of the video. I was looking for a comparison of the three methodologies. I think measuring the force of the three broadhead types insertion force might produce evidence that one type is superior for penetration. The less effort being superior. Or maybe the result could be that there is no difference and you have a simple subjective quality measurement that one type is better, like the breaking force of single bevels is the clear choice. TY
For anyone watching this a year later, I just found a seller on eBay selling these tuffheads in glue on for $24 per 3 pack. I grabbed a couple packs to try out on my wood arrows.
Shot single bevel and double bevel thru pumpkins. Double bevel made a slit, single bevel made a fractured hole. I picture the wound channel like a spiral phone cord stretched out. I am thinking the best bone cracking potential is if the single bevel is screwed tightly to the shaft? Seems like inserts that spin would reduce the torque assistance created by the spin/weight of the shaft?
Hey Troy. I don't hunt potatoes!!! Lol. Just a reference to the broadhead into gel and plywoods. I am a single bevel believer. Thanks for the video! Good visual.
I switched to cutthroat single bevel last year before deer season and was very impressed and love them. My kind of random question is do you think it is a good option to use the same setup for turkey season? Or should I be looking to change things up for each season? Thanks and love the videos!
I keep the same setup for turkeys. Single bevel at 630 grain total arrow weight. Way overkill but I just wanna keep used to my pin gaps and the way my heavy arrows shoot
Hey Mr Ranch watched this video and was surprised to see the spinning insert. Just curious your current take on them paired with a single bevel this days. Ethics has the spinning 2.0 now jw about your up to date thoughts? Btw shot an 8pt at 10 yds at 130pm last year with the ez v and my 200 Evo through one shoulder and the ONLY reason it didn't pass through was because the as the deer turned the head entered the back side of the opposite shoulder. Had it stayed perpendicular it would of been a complete pass through. Deer ran maybe 40 yds. Have pics from my butcher if interested. He was amazed at the dmage done. Also my bareshafts fly like lasers.. sharpening is tricky but im getting better every time.. Ive never felt such confidence with my bow. Thanks again Mr Ranch Fairy you've answered and dispelled so much bullshit pushed in this industry! The deer owe you!
So the spinning insert is just not TESTED. Oh they'll tell ya its fantastic. So if they'd test it.....maybe we'd know. Or just say its great. Nope for me. My arrows fly into the weeds or hit the earth already.
So a single bevel adds the torque to break bone that double bevels can’t do. And a 3 blade separates soft tissue like a 2 blade can’t. So all other things being equal, would a single bevel 3 blade outmatch a single bevel 2 blade?
There's one thing though, when the single bevel broadhead flies through air, and later when it goes through flesh, the single bevel design makes the head rotate, both in air and in flesh. And this rotation expands energy that was transfered to the arrow during a shot, which means that less energy is left to push the arrow forward. This is not critical for high end super fast bows, but with slower bows the penetration can be less than with double bevel.
Haahah, you’ve been listening to a certain broadhead manufacturer who disregards the ashby reports. Like it’s just a made up cartoon. It’s only 27 years long. With a longbow. Might check that out. Ed tested every edge design - on meat.
In 2008 there was no single bevel in Spain and I modified some magnus broadheads making them single bevel, I did a test with an internally weighted arrow with a total weight of 610 grains, modified magnus tip, Matews Outback bow at 60# 26.5" shooting at 20 m. a freshly hunted wild boar's head and opened the skull longitudinally. I have the photos if you want I can send them to you by email.
@@evanhb49 Proper spine Nock tuned All broadheads fly - then it doesn’t matter. If the arrow is wrong…..it doesn’t matter. So it doesn’t matter! I can help you figure that out. Hit me on insta or troy@ranchfairy.com
Tory, can you comment on the importance of the broad head spinning freely? Does it really matter that much? I don't think I have seen you talk about them in other videos but maybe I missed. I have never used them before, I would use the same set-up on all of my arrows so the addition weight would not make a difference.
I would love to see a similar experiment with a triple analog system. Let me explain. For a push-through test as you are doing here, I would love to see a similar experiment with a more indicative tissue analog, i.e., a pork, beef, or even better, venison meat, because potato or any other cellulose/starchy material will split in a way not necessarily indicative of meat tissue. Second, I would love to see a bone-in example, where a ham, rib, scapula, humerus, or other similar high-probability shot is modelled with a bone in cut of meat, so we can get a good idea of bone splitting and meat channelling. Thirdly, a transparent ballistic gel medium, so that a good visual of the amount of spin for each respective bevel angle and the diameter of the wound channel for each broadhead and penetration differentials for each style may be ascertained. Thanks for letting me opine on your video! It was very informative still 😋
Great content, Troy. I understand the single bevel aspect.....so here's my question: (if I don't ask I'll never know) what's your thoughts on a 3 blade single bevel head.....would it cause more chaos in the wound or not?
I think it might on soft tissue I also think it will bind in bone because the blades don’t have help at 90 degrees. Those guys who make it should actually test them instead of making claims of magic!!!! That’s what I do
@@kevinshipper8089 A three blade is a three blade Their claims it has some kind of hydrostatic shock is 100% bullshit I’ve told them The FBI studied that - not me 2,300 FPS is the velocity for that Now if your bow is 2,300 FPS Yep! 😂 So for that bullshit - nope
Great video……..I’m convinced……..3 blade for me. At the end of the day I have to ask myself, Which one of these broad heads would I least like to be shot with. Answer….that 3 blade broad heads razor sharp. The single bevel has its merits however. Thx again
Great video Troy - thanks for doing this - No disrespect to Dr Ed or to you but a question - I am but a lowly beginner with a recurve barebow - a certifiable nut with rifles😀 - the question - aside from the obvious and not debatable single bevel rotation advantage - Is there significant advantage with the Tuffhead due to it's much larger diameter at the ferrule and the long gentle taper leading up to this larger diameter? I noted that the other broadheads had barely shaft diameter at the ferrule - I.E. Is there a significant contribution to the bone splitting advantage due to the increased ferrule diameter? Sorry Troy you might be a little sarcastic occasionally🙂😁but I am a little OCD most of the time - I think you may understand!!!😁😁 regards Peter
There is an advantage to it, idk that it's for the bone breaking but it helps in penetration because it has less friction on the shaft once it penetrates. The others being the same size have more friction thus less penetration. It's actually one of thee factors that the Ashby foundation uses
I don't know if it would rotate. All 3 blades are on separate planes and I THINK (but don';t know) they would fight each other. Same reason they aren't good bone penetrators. They are a 3 bladed wedge.
How much does the grain of the broadhead play into the cavity left? That single bevel was 225, the others looked like 100-125 grain. Just wondering because I’m switching to a heavier set up this year and trying the single bevel.
Would be interesting if the ingle bevels were shot into clear ? ballistic gel to see how much rotation might occur in a medium a little more similar to flesh? And if there was a new broadhead single bevel that had like 2 or 3 degree twist or pitch in the blade itself. Would this arrow want to plane off its intended trajectory as it corkscrewed through the air? Of course the vanes would need to be set on the same degree of offset? So what broadhead company is going to steal my idea?
I did that It’s a complete waste of time. I was amazed. Here’s the catch Animal penetration is maybe 3-6” of meat then rib then - simply - air…….. Gel is designed to stop projectiles to study them. Not as a muscle simulation Read about gel. It’s interesting
I have an idaho potato hunt comin up in march. Finally drew a tag. You think i should switch to single bevel? Worried i wont have time to adjust... Theres a trophy potato in DC too but hes in a potato sanctuary. 🥔 probably the biggest ive ever seen. Lucky hes in a sanctuary because he is one dumb potato. Thx
I've heard that one, and he is a Mondooner if ever I've seen, will occasionally wander off the refuge. Typically on a moon-lit night and I've heard he uses his nose to sniff his way to the youngest of the breeding grounds around. Good luck man, I hope you split a spud one way or another!
I have a 643grain setup. It's a 3 blade 250 valkerie braod head, aluminum insert .003 gold tip traditional, 5" right helical fetching. I'm Thinking of going to single bevel and maybe even a 600 grain setup. I feel like I'm lobbing arrows with my 60lb Robertson woofer bow. I've got a 27.5 draw length, probley 28 under the influence of adrenaline. Can you recommend a solid setup?
IME single bevels tend to push arteries/veins aside while a double bevel & 3/4 blade BHs slice through them more consistently. Single bevels leave terrible blood trails too often for me.
Note: I refuse to suffer fools. For all reading this. To VERIFY the anecdotal “physiological” comments (pushing arteries aside) STATED AS FACT on David’s comment. 1. You’d have to literally get an animal you killed. (Which I’ve actually done) 2. cut vital organs apart, carefully. (Which I’ve actually put on YT) 3. trace each type broadheads path through the tissues on a animals. (Check) 4. Honestly - a magnifying glass would be very helpful. (I need to add that) But that will never happen by average folks and these type of comments (pro single bevel or double bevel) will be terrible “facts”. It’s a lot of work Just to “back that crap up”, I’ve actually put post broadhead kill autopsies ON RUclips. Oh - 15-20 or so…..it’s a small sample size!! 😂 Bloodtrail comment - fair! NO BROADHEAD gives consistent blood trials. I’ve covered this extensively.
@@RanchFairy you do post a lot on youtube, I'll give you that. And while I tend to agree with a lot of what you say, not on single bevels killing better than double bevels or 3/4 blade fixed heads. Do you actually think you're the only one to investigate a hit on game? I've shot a ton of game with old Grizzlies and more recently cutthroats, Crappiest blood trails ever and yes I've taken a look when there were crappy blood trails. But hey, folks can read up on all "opinions" and then choose whatever they like, after a few years they can decide for themselves what works best. I have helped track way to many liver or gut hit deer, elk, antelope to ever think single bevels are "better" than double beveled or 3/4 blade broadheads.
Now do that test thing with same shape broadheads, where beveling is only difference. I thing VPA makes 2 blade with single and double bevel. Tuffheaad is so much more massive that it’s easy to say that the size of the broadhead makes the extra damage.
He has a video of that. If you look up something like "quartering to" or "quartering in" shots, it's all there. A lot of THP hunts are shown. It's a 5 part series if inremember correctly
Pretty late to the game on this video, you said a 3 blade is 3 double bevels. Have you ever thought of or even seen a 3 blade single bevel? I'd imagine the would be gnarly
So they exist. With one HUGE WEAKNESS The blades are on their own plane. Just like all 3 blades. Also IMPOSSIBLE to sharpen. 2 blade single bevels have a blade doing the same work in the same direction 180 degrees on the other side.
Ive always shot heavy arrows just because the held up better. I am enjoying the info. on single bevel broad heads. ( planning on switching!) one question is what is the advantage of the swivel insert?
without measuring the force (that would indicated the resistance) this "test" is totally meaningless. The Tuffhead has by far the smallest penetration compared to the 3-blade and the 2-blade. Lusk archery did testing with all these BHs and the penetration of the Tuffhead is pathetic compared to 3-blades.
Well if I was talking about penetration your lusk love would matter. But your monocular bend and trying to restate what I was showing is normal for the comments section. As a penetration balance to Mr Lusks efforts may I introduce a 27 YEAR study known as the ashby reports? That is if you can read with an open mind. If not, never mind. You already have it all figured out. No reason to watch any more fairy dust. He’s an idiot anyway.
@@RanchFairy ...most of the BHs we have today haven't been available 27 years ago, so Ashby had to use what was available and appropriate at the time. Shoot your 27 years old BHs with an old bow from this time 27 years ago and keep believing that such a setup will outperform a modern bow and a modern BH from today. Ashby limited his studies to relative short distances as it was unthinkable at the time that you could achieve a momentum over 0.6 pounds*sec with a bow and a relatively light arrow and still hit an apple at 50 meters.
I read the Ashby study recently, focusing primarily on the FOC sections. Penetration aside, FOC also provides great improvements to flight characteristics, makes fletching more effective, and can allow smaller fletching to achieve similar control of the arrow due to the benefits of the longer rear lever arm. Ashby was a bright human. Thanks for great content.
He still is!!!
@@RanchFairy lol
@@RanchFairy Sweet!
My boys and I switched to Adult Arrows this year after watching your videos. It was a very successful season. We all went at least 650 grains and GrizzlyStik single bevels. Every deer dropped within 40 yards and some dropped in their tracks! Shot angle wasn't an issue. Thank you again for convincing me to make the switch after 30+ years of slinging Twizzlers.
Shots can go bad, deer can jump. So it's not bs.
I got a doe with a single bevel (with a bleeder) and the damage internally was devastating. I pulled a couple of lung chunks out. Not from my knife, the head did it. Amazing.
I shoot cutthroats and I noticed that the last doe I hit in the lung, the lung tissue around the wound was stretched where the broadhead kept spinning all the way through. Nobody can tell me that don't make a huge difference
Always look forward to your videos Troy, keep up the good work , when plan A isn’t really a plan , plan B is when shit gets real
I haven’t gone down the rabbit hole yet. but I have noticed a huge difference in my killing effectiveness. so far by just shooting a good quality head that is actually sharp. even with a head that is 1 1/8 wide I’m getting better blood trails and quicker kills that the 2in mechanical head i used before.
I set up my first carbons when David Petersen started writing about Dr Ashby on the TradBow forum. I’ve had nothing but great results. My only problem with the high FOC arrow is getting them outta stumps when stump shooting. I have my judos set up like my field points, like my Tuffheads setup.
Good stuff here RF. Thanks, dc
Great video Troy as always. I've been thinking about changing to a single bevel. What I'm using works, but I'm not afraid of trying new things. 😁👍
Drink/smoke the Fairy Dust! Make the plunge and go single bevels. Practice, nock tune, practice some more. Success will happen. No need to track when they go 20/40 n fall over.
@@Talonthir Oh I have. Lol!! I built and tuned my arrows last year as I upgraded to adult arrows (610gr. Total w/250 gr up front). They were flying awesome! Right now I'm using Magnus Stinger (150 gr), but I like that single bevel rotation, plus I like how sharp he got those single bevels. I do well sharpening my Magnus, but I'm tinkering.
@@ericwiitala5407 idk if you've watched all of Ranch Fairies stuff, but THP has done some content with him and it was a eye opener for me and many others. Can't get enough of this. You got this it'll happen. That sweet pass through n D£θD A$$ FμC£ Deer or Elk will happen!
@@Talonthir Oh I have. I was following the THP crew and saw their initial video with the Ranch Fairy. I''m right there with you and all in on Dr. Ashby's research.
That's a pretty cool test. Very interesting stuff. Thanks for the video Troy
Very practical observation. After seeing some of your autopsies and my own with three blade double bevel Montecs, I was fairly certain how the performance would be. 👍🏼
Back to the "Test Lab", HELL YA!
Great demonstration. Innovative Outdoorsman did an excellent test on single bevels and was able to pull the flight apart layer by layer to show rotation. I'm currently on the fence about them while using crossbow bolts.
If you are a light setup its the best if you are a heavy setup you can use mechanicals.
I'm a sponge and Fairy Dust n Ashby knowledge is the water.... Keep em coming... BTW where's the rocket man? Need another deep dive into some arrow ballistics w/ Ashby knowledge.
Wow amazing video man. Idk why i have never thought about using a potatoe. Great examples.
@@Elkaholics DR Ed’s idea
Awesome test. Question although random but interesting I think, could a three blade be a single bevel? Would it want rotate even after impact? Just food for thought. Keep up the great work sir.
@Rhett G West okay awesome thank you for the information.
Seems like it would make it add a bit more resistance but would be cool to see non the less. Cool question.
@Rhett G West I shoot the 150g Oz Cut Hurricane on an arrow build of 635g. It's pretty devastating for a 3 blade.
Nice work.
You are crazy and i love it. I have a question for you. Im using a Excalibur Bulldog 440. I like using a heavier arrow setup. What broadhead do you recommend? I lean more towards a single bevel.
Can you add some type of measurement of insertion force? Then compare the three to compare and contrast which is more or less, or if there is no difference that makes a difference?
Not gonna do that.
At least not gonna do the whole video over this one is about rotation.
Simple machine
Anyway - measuring force on a potato or gel, or wood or water is only as good at the medium you test. It’s literally that test for that exact medium.
Animals are multiple mediums as the arrow passes through whatever it hits.
That is worth measuring and my prediction is it is highly variable
@@RanchFairy Did not expect a redo of the video. I was looking for a comparison of the three methodologies. I think measuring the force of the three broadhead types insertion force might produce evidence that one type is superior for penetration. The less effort being superior. Or maybe the result could be that there is no difference and you have a simple subjective quality measurement that one type is better, like the breaking force of single bevels is the clear choice. TY
Love the Tuffheads 💪🏽🇺🇸🏹
Thanks Troy,very good video
For anyone watching this a year later, I just found a seller on eBay selling these tuffheads in glue on for $24 per 3 pack. I grabbed a couple packs to try out on my wood arrows.
Shot single bevel and double bevel thru pumpkins. Double bevel made a slit, single bevel made a fractured hole. I picture the wound channel like a spiral phone cord stretched out. I am thinking the best bone cracking potential is if the single bevel is screwed tightly to the shaft? Seems like inserts that spin would reduce the torque assistance created by the spin/weight of the shaft?
Hey Troy. I don't hunt potatoes!!! Lol. Just a reference to the broadhead into gel and plywoods.
I am a single bevel believer. Thanks for the video! Good visual.
I switched to cutthroat single bevel last year before deer season and was very impressed and love them. My kind of random question is do you think it is a good option to use the same setup for turkey season? Or should I be looking to change things up for each season? Thanks and love the videos!
I keep the same setup for turkeys. Single bevel at 630 grain total arrow weight. Way overkill but I just wanna keep used to my pin gaps and the way my heavy arrows shoot
Hey Mr Ranch watched this video and was surprised to see the spinning insert. Just curious your current take on them paired with a single bevel this days. Ethics has the spinning 2.0 now jw about your up to date thoughts? Btw shot an 8pt at 10 yds at 130pm last year with the ez v and my 200 Evo through one shoulder and the ONLY reason it didn't pass through was because the as the deer turned the head entered the back side of the opposite shoulder. Had it stayed perpendicular it would of been a complete pass through. Deer ran maybe 40 yds. Have pics from my butcher if interested. He was amazed at the dmage done. Also my bareshafts fly like lasers.. sharpening is tricky but im getting better every time.. Ive never felt such confidence with my bow. Thanks again Mr Ranch Fairy you've answered and dispelled so much bullshit pushed in this industry! The deer owe you!
So the spinning insert is just not TESTED. Oh they'll tell ya its fantastic. So if they'd test it.....maybe we'd know.
Or just say its great. Nope for me.
My arrows fly into the weeds or hit the earth already.
So a single bevel adds the torque to break bone that double bevels can’t do. And a 3 blade separates soft tissue like a 2 blade can’t. So all other things being equal, would a single bevel 3 blade outmatch a single bevel 2 blade?
2 blade single bevel in soft tissue does what no 3 blade can. ruclips.net/video/JjXZQT1lBXg/видео.html
There's one thing though, when the single bevel broadhead flies through air, and later when it goes through flesh, the single bevel design makes the head rotate, both in air and in flesh. And this rotation expands energy that was transfered to the arrow during a shot, which means that less energy is left to push the arrow forward. This is not critical for high end super fast bows, but with slower bows the penetration can be less than with double bevel.
Haahah, you’ve been listening to a certain broadhead manufacturer who disregards the ashby reports. Like it’s just a made up cartoon.
It’s only 27 years long.
With a longbow. Might check that out. Ed tested every edge design - on meat.
I'm being pushed in the direction of single bevel. The cost of conversion is all thats holding me back at this stage. The proof is hard to argue with
It is illegal to shoot anything with a bow and arrow in the uk. That makes your videos very interesting thank you very much.
In 2008 there was no single bevel in Spain and I modified some magnus broadheads making them single bevel, I did a test with an internally weighted arrow with a total weight of 610 grains, modified magnus tip, Matews Outback bow at 60# 26.5" shooting at 20 m. a freshly hunted wild boar's head and opened the skull longitudinally. I have the photos if you want I can send them to you by email.
Oh please do!
Troy@ranchfairy.com
Does the bevel side spin away or towards itself? So if the bevel is on the right, it would spin left?
You should do this test again but put the potatoes on a scale to measure how much force it takes to push through the potatoes
do you have a video about whether or not single bevel broadheads need to be positioned a certain direction? 12-6 oclock? 9-3? does it matter?
@@evanhb49
Proper spine
Nock tuned
All broadheads fly - then it doesn’t matter. If the arrow is wrong…..it doesn’t matter. So it doesn’t matter!
I can help you figure that out. Hit me on insta or troy@ranchfairy.com
Tory, can you comment on the importance of the broad head spinning freely? Does it really matter that much? I don't think I have seen you talk about them in other videos but maybe I missed. I have never used them before, I would use the same set-up on all of my arrows so the addition weight would not make a difference.
Not tested
And they claim a bunch of stuff and just say
“Yeah sure it does all kind of magic things”
SHOW ME THE PROOF
Good shit man.
I would love to see a similar experiment with a triple analog system. Let me explain. For a push-through test as you are doing here, I would love to see a similar experiment with a more indicative tissue analog, i.e., a pork, beef, or even better, venison meat, because potato or any other cellulose/starchy material will split in a way not necessarily indicative of meat tissue. Second, I would love to see a bone-in example, where a ham, rib, scapula, humerus, or other similar high-probability shot is modelled with a bone in cut of meat, so we can get a good idea of bone splitting and meat channelling. Thirdly, a transparent ballistic gel medium, so that a good visual of the amount of spin for each respective bevel angle and the diameter of the wound channel for each broadhead and penetration differentials for each style may be ascertained. Thanks for letting me opine on your video! It was very informative still 😋
On the list
Love your channel. Are you the Troy Fowler that was in the Navy on the USS GUAM?
I am not. Thanks!
Great content, Troy. I understand the single bevel aspect.....so here's my question: (if I don't ask I'll never know) what's your thoughts on a 3 blade single bevel head.....would it cause more chaos in the wound or not?
I think it might on soft tissue
I also think it will bind in bone because the blades don’t have help at 90 degrees.
Those guys who make it should actually test them instead of making claims of magic!!!! That’s what I do
Opinion on Annihilator Broadheads?
@@kevinshipper8089
A three blade is a three blade
Their claims it has some kind of hydrostatic shock is 100% bullshit
I’ve told them
The FBI studied that - not me
2,300 FPS is the velocity for that
Now if your bow is 2,300 FPS
Yep! 😂
So for that bullshit - nope
Great video……..I’m convinced……..3 blade for me. At the end of the day I have to ask myself, Which one of these broad heads would I least like to be shot with. Answer….that 3 blade broad heads razor sharp. The single bevel has its merits however. Thx again
Those broad heads are a work of art.
Great video Troy - thanks for doing this - No disrespect to Dr Ed or to you but a question - I am but a lowly beginner with a recurve barebow - a certifiable nut with rifles😀 - the question - aside from the obvious and not debatable single bevel rotation advantage - Is there significant advantage with the Tuffhead due to it's much larger diameter at the ferrule and the long gentle taper leading up to this larger diameter? I noted that the other broadheads had barely shaft diameter at the ferrule - I.E. Is there a significant contribution to the bone splitting advantage due to the increased ferrule diameter? Sorry Troy you might be a little sarcastic occasionally🙂😁but I am a little OCD most of the time - I think you may understand!!!😁😁 regards Peter
There is an advantage to it, idk that it's for the bone breaking but it helps in penetration because it has less friction on the shaft once it penetrates. The others being the same size have more friction thus less penetration. It's actually one of thee factors that the Ashby foundation uses
@@HickLif3 Thanks for the info🙂
How different do you think it'd be if you had a 3-blade single-bevel broadhead (if they even make those)?
I don't know if it would rotate. All 3 blades are on separate planes and I THINK (but don';t know) they would fight each other.
Same reason they aren't good bone penetrators.
They are a 3 bladed wedge.
I'd be curious to see what the OzCut Hurricane 3 blade single bevel would do...
How much does the grain of the broadhead play into the cavity left? That single bevel was 225, the others looked like 100-125 grain. Just wondering because I’m switching to a heavier set up this year and trying the single bevel.
What’s your thoughts on the annihilator Broadhead?
They are fine
Three blade - nothing super special
That style been around for years
Would be interesting if the ingle bevels were shot into clear ? ballistic gel to see how much rotation might occur in a medium a little more similar to flesh? And if there was a new broadhead single bevel that had like 2 or 3 degree twist or pitch in the blade itself. Would this arrow want to plane off its intended trajectory as it corkscrewed through the air? Of course the vanes would need to be set on the same degree of offset? So what broadhead company is going to steal my idea?
I did that
It’s a complete waste of time. I was amazed. Here’s the catch
Animal penetration is maybe 3-6” of meat then rib then - simply - air……..
Gel is designed to stop projectiles to study them. Not as a muscle simulation
Read about gel. It’s interesting
Do yo have anything to add about three blade single bevel heads?
Sorry I see that question has already been addressed. Thanks
why no 3 blade single bevel yet?
What would happen with a 3 blade single bevel
I have an idaho potato hunt comin up in march. Finally drew a tag. You think i should switch to single bevel? Worried i wont have time to adjust...
Theres a trophy potato in DC too but hes in a potato sanctuary. 🥔 probably the biggest ive ever seen. Lucky hes in a sanctuary because he is one dumb potato.
Thx
I've heard that one, and he is a Mondooner if ever I've seen, will occasionally wander off the refuge. Typically on a moon-lit night and I've heard he uses his nose to sniff his way to the youngest of the breeding grounds around. Good luck man, I hope you split a spud one way or another!
Funny Haha boys. Shoot whatever you want to shoot, do you. No need to jab those that are trying to help.
@@davidholliday3286 You're right, we shouldn't poke fun at the mentally impaired. Nor should we be governed by them.
Does anyone make a single bevel three blade or would this even work?
I have a 643grain setup. It's a 3 blade 250 valkerie braod head, aluminum insert .003 gold tip traditional, 5" right helical fetching.
I'm Thinking of going to single bevel and maybe even a 600 grain setup. I feel like I'm lobbing arrows with my 60lb Robertson woofer bow. I've got a 27.5 draw length, probley 28 under the influence of adrenaline.
Can you recommend a solid setup?
Honestly
You’re good to go
@@RanchFairy Sweet! I want the best setup for my hunting and killing.
Wish you would have used I more common single bevel weight like a125 grain head. Still love this test vary interesting test Case and point…..
I wanna get a background of physiology of some type what school is that??
IME single bevels tend to push arteries/veins aside while a double bevel & 3/4 blade BHs slice through them more consistently. Single bevels leave terrible blood trails too often for me.
Wow - that’s interesting
Got anything but anecdotal comments for us? Like maybe a 27 year study by Dr Ed?
@@RanchFairy how about 40+ years of bowhunting. kind of hard to test out blood trails shooting into dead african game
Note: I refuse to suffer fools.
For all reading this. To VERIFY the anecdotal “physiological” comments (pushing arteries aside) STATED AS FACT on David’s comment.
1. You’d have to literally get an animal you killed. (Which I’ve actually done)
2. cut vital organs apart, carefully. (Which I’ve actually put on YT)
3. trace each type broadheads path through the tissues on a animals. (Check)
4. Honestly - a magnifying glass would be very helpful. (I need to add that)
But that will never happen by average folks and these type of comments (pro single bevel or double bevel) will be terrible “facts”.
It’s a lot of work
Just to “back that crap up”, I’ve actually put post broadhead kill autopsies ON RUclips.
Oh - 15-20 or so…..it’s a small sample size!! 😂
Bloodtrail comment - fair! NO BROADHEAD gives consistent blood trials.
I’ve covered this extensively.
@@davetoms63
Hahahahj - send us your data base……
Crickets 🦗
@@RanchFairy you do post a lot on youtube, I'll give you that. And while I tend to agree with a lot of what you say, not on single bevels killing better than double bevels or 3/4 blade fixed heads.
Do you actually think you're the only one to investigate a hit on game? I've shot a ton of game with old Grizzlies and more recently cutthroats, Crappiest blood trails ever and yes I've taken a look when there were crappy blood trails.
But hey, folks can read up on all "opinions" and then choose whatever they like, after a few years they can decide for themselves what works best. I have helped track way to many liver or gut hit deer, elk, antelope to ever think single bevels are "better" than double beveled or 3/4 blade broadheads.
Now do that test thing with same shape broadheads, where beveling is only difference. I thing VPA makes 2 blade with single and double bevel. Tuffheaad is so much more massive that it’s easy to say that the size of the broadhead makes the extra damage.
I think with any experiment you have to do it more than once to see if the results are repeatable
Thanks - I can use some help!!!
Or since no one else does this stuff
I’ll do my best
Is 5 or 30 times acceptable
Would be interested in a possible video of intentionally taking shoulder shots with heavy single bevels
He has a video of that. If you look up something like "quartering to" or "quartering in" shots, it's all there. A lot of THP hunts are shown. It's a 5 part series if inremember correctly
Now I can't wait for potato season. I'm gonna have great spud trails. Might even reach the sack limit!
would be a real challenge for RF to shoot them from 16 to 18 yds 😂😂😂
Eh Troy God bless 🙌
But ranch fairy we aren’t trying to kill bricks and potatoes!
Funny the three blade push through wasn’t shown
Yea it was
Did u watch the whole video?
@@baitball4665 Don't waste your time, this dude is Twizzlers for life.
Pretty late to the game on this video, you said a 3 blade is 3 double bevels. Have you ever thought of or even seen a 3 blade single bevel? I'd imagine the would be gnarly
So they exist. With one HUGE WEAKNESS
The blades are on their own plane. Just like all 3 blades. Also IMPOSSIBLE to sharpen.
2 blade single bevels have a blade doing the same work in the same direction 180 degrees on the other side.
Ive always shot heavy arrows just because the held up better. I am enjoying the info. on single bevel broad heads. ( planning on switching!) one question is what is the advantage of the swivel insert?
Let's go!
Interesting
I'll keep this in mind next time I'm hunting potatoes
Good demonstration but now I am Craving a baked potato for some reason.
Adult arrows + single bevel heads = broken bones and dead with in sight
I thought you already did a tater kill'n video 🤔
without measuring the force (that would indicated the resistance) this "test" is totally meaningless. The Tuffhead has by far the smallest penetration compared to the 3-blade and the 2-blade. Lusk archery did testing with all these BHs and the penetration of the Tuffhead is pathetic compared to 3-blades.
Well if I was talking about penetration your lusk love would matter. But your monocular bend and trying to restate what I was showing is normal for the comments section.
As a penetration balance to Mr Lusks efforts may I introduce a 27 YEAR study known as the ashby reports?
That is if you can read with an open mind.
If not, never mind.
You already have it all figured out. No reason to watch any more fairy dust. He’s an idiot anyway.
@@RanchFairy ...most of the BHs we have today haven't been available 27 years ago, so Ashby had to use what was available and appropriate at the time. Shoot your 27 years old BHs with an old bow from this time 27 years ago and keep believing that such a setup will outperform a modern bow and a modern BH from today. Ashby limited his studies to relative short distances as it was unthinkable at the time that you could achieve a momentum over 0.6 pounds*sec with a bow and a relatively light arrow and still hit an apple at 50 meters.
I like French fried pataters, mmm hmm.
Some call it a single bevel, I call it a sling blade ..hhhmmmmm
Mustard n biscuits lol
I can’t see potatoes jumping the string!
I used to like men, then I starred shooting SB 650 gr arrows
I’ll tell you what if I was hunting potatoes I know exactly which broadhead I’m using. It’s the same I use for deer 😉
So it would appear more blood trail with single bevel on avg than mechanical 🤔 lol who would of thought? Haha
Hopefully going to shoot the 200 grain Massai's out of my receivers year.
I've yet to chase Potatoes with a bow. Hopefully I'll draw Idaho this year.
Mate you ok , you don’t look so good
Waste of money