Broadhead Testing Angle of Attack

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  • Опубликовано: 24 дек 2024

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  • @cooterbrown1703
    @cooterbrown1703 Год назад +4

    Just watched your podcast with nockonarchery. You impressed me with your composure. Actually, think you won the argument. great stuff. keep them coming

  • @Julie-u6r
    @Julie-u6r Год назад +5

    RF you are spot on in tool and die terms its called ( shear ) and on punch presses its measured in tonnage less angle more tonnage .

    • @RanchFairy
      @RanchFairy  Год назад +3

      You made me smarter and that aint easy!!!

  • @coozhunter4434
    @coozhunter4434 6 месяцев назад +1

    Absolutely 100% one of the most important aspects of a broadhead design. And nobody talks about it. And the stuff they sell is horribly designed.... Had to learn the hard way.... Thanks for talking about this!

  • @OmarHunts
    @OmarHunts Год назад +12

    Think about the arrow cousin, the spear. Throughout history and modern days, spears have always had long, narrow, sharp, pointy heads for maximum penetration. If spears had blunt heads, they'd be called hammers.

  • @johnbell7235
    @johnbell7235 Год назад +1

    "Hey, is that Ranch fairy?" "No, this is Patrick."

  • @Stevo77
    @Stevo77 Год назад +8

    I really enjoy learning from your videos... your sense of humor is awesome. I really like the scientific data provided. It all makes perfect sense to me. Fish on!

  • @Natedawg770
    @Natedawg770 Год назад +2

    Just the video I was hoping for!

  • @veteranoutdoorsman9978
    @veteranoutdoorsman9978 Год назад +64

    Don't let Dudley see this he'll have you on to tell you your wrong again

    • @patrickgallagher4344
      @patrickgallagher4344 Год назад +20

      I saw that I thought that guy was very arrogant and talked in circles! Ever time Troy hit him with a question he couldn’t answer he changed the subject! I wasn’t impressed

    • @killintime8431
      @killintime8431 Год назад +15

      Lol ya Dudley really high on himself the whole joe rogan thing has really gone to he’s head

    • @andrewmccann7572
      @andrewmccann7572 Год назад +3

      I mean shooting a custom bow, long draw, 80lbs of pull, a nice field point would do serious damage just based on the math alone.

    • @gsnicholas8522
      @gsnicholas8522 Год назад

      I'm at a loss here. Where can I find this? I'd like to watch it.

    • @killintime8431
      @killintime8431 Год назад

      @@gsnicholas8522 it’s on the nockon channel

  • @SpearsUnclaimed
    @SpearsUnclaimed Год назад +2

    Needles, spears, swords, awls, nails. It’s a simple machine. It’s obvious and anyone who says otherwise is probably making a different argument and will argue “trade offs” or “middle ground” or something else not related to angles.

  • @brianturner8936
    @brianturner8936 Год назад +5

    Great job RF, you’re spot on!!!

  • @cray-z7404
    @cray-z7404 Год назад +6

    Simmons broadheads are really being slept on and the tree shark 🦈 & mako shark broadhead are bad ass !

    • @stephenballard3759
      @stephenballard3759 Год назад

      I've always loved the look of his heads. I could just never afford them.

    • @cray-z7404
      @cray-z7404 Год назад

      I think they are worth it in the long haul ! I shoot thorn archery 2.2 Rift out of my xbow

  • @papaschuette
    @papaschuette Год назад +3

    I took your advice about smaller angle broadheads for this years whitetail season in Indiana. Unfortunately, I couldn't afford the Tuffheads for this year. But, I switched up most of my arrow setup. I still use a Gold Tip Hunter XT 340, but the stats are completely different. Last year, I shot a 29" 413gr arrow with a stock 12gr insert and a 100gr Swhacker broadhead and lighted nocks for a 9.6ish FOC. This year I'm shooting a 28 1/4" 469gr arrow with a 125gr Magnus Stinger Buzzcut with a 50gr insert and lighted nocks for just over 15% FOC. My arrows fly like darts now. The apex of a 40 yard shot is noticeably lower than before. And now I don't have to worry about a mechanical not performing adequately. After the season I'm switching everything up. I'm gonna go with the Sirius Supernova SD's 250 with a 75gr-100gr half jacket insert and whatever tip from your test kit flies the best. One step in front of the other. At least I'm moving in the direction you recommend, rather than stay in the same place and never learn what a different setup can do.

    • @MichaelLakota-vc4tk
      @MichaelLakota-vc4tk Год назад +1

      I think you’re on the right track!
      My problem is that all the tuffheads are out of stock!
      I really want to try them. That would give me around a 20 ish%
      F O C. Maybe next year

    • @papaschuette
      @papaschuette Год назад +1

      @MichaelLakota-vc4tk Hello. That's the number I'm shooting for. Somewhere close to 20% FOC. I just couldn't afford new arrows and broadheads to actually get the right setup. I know that the 340's I'm shooting are nowhere stiff enough for the setup I gonna have. 250 spine is what I'm thinking. To go with whatever combination insert and tip weight shoots straight. Hope you and I both can get the setup we want for next year.

    • @MichaelLakota-vc4tk
      @MichaelLakota-vc4tk Год назад +1

      @@papaschuette Definitely a 250 spine. As much as I shoot,for the life of me I can’t figure out why anyone would shoot a limber arrow!?!? Yeah I get it with my traditional and recurves but that is a completely different animal.
      So to speak

    • @papaschuette
      @papaschuette Год назад +1

      @MichaelLakota-vc4tk I have my arrows cut down about as short as I can get them. I'm shooting a 30 inch draw, and I cut my arrows to 28 1/4 inches. They're just under a 1/2 inch past the rest. That way, they were as stiff as I could get them before changing the insert and tip weight. I was shooting 29 inch arrows with the stock inserts and 100gr tips.

    • @MichaelLakota-vc4tk
      @MichaelLakota-vc4tk Год назад +1

      @@papaschuette I am right with you on that setup! I have a Ravin R26 and I cut my arrows down to 17 inches. 150gr Magnus k-bees.
      Total of 460gr They are incredibly accurate,however I had to remove the fletching on a couple of them because perfect arrow flight was “in between “ the original ones. Vanes are cheap and I have had a Bitzenburger fletching tool for so long I can’t remember lol. So I refletched my arrows 1 at a time and tuned them to my bow. I now have 7 arrows that even with a fixed Broadhead can almost do single hole groups! 5 more to go and I’ll have a dozen. This little anal feat is going three weeks now. I need to replace my string as the capture nocks are now bigger than my strings serving. Might be why I’m having troubles now!?!? lol. I do enjoy the rewards of figuring things out myself 😊

  • @lincolnfletcher7439
    @lincolnfletcher7439 Год назад +6

    Would love to see a test where you could measure the pressure of pushing a broadhead through a medium or do an accurate penitration test with a animal cadaver, thanks for the videos!

    • @YoureSoVane
      @YoureSoVane Год назад +1

      Bill Vanderheyden did that same test. He didn't do it with an Ashby style head, but he did test a few common fixed designs and I think two mechanical designs. He should still have the results on his website.

    • @RanchFairy
      @RanchFairy  Год назад +5

      @@YoureSoVane
      Bills test is only for one thing - to sell his broadheads.
      Of COURSE he didn’t use an ashby head!!
      Fake scientist and “engineering”

    • @stephenballard3759
      @stephenballard3759 Год назад +1

      Amen.

    • @stephenballard3759
      @stephenballard3759 Год назад

      Just read the Ashby report, it covers all of that.

    • @YoureSoVane
      @YoureSoVane Год назад +1

      @@stephenballard3759 I have read them, and I agree with them. The point was to highlight that SOME designs have already been tested and compared.
      The key takeaway from the data Bill Vanderheyden put out is that at low speeds the force required is proportional to the thickness and angle of the blades. One can assume than an Ashby style head would perform better, but he didn't test them.
      Similarly, if you are shooting smaller game than the massive African game that Ashby hunted, you can probably get away with a smaller broadhead, similar to the Iron Will design, and have better flight at higher speeds.
      It's the same thing I tell my guys during training; you have to match your setup to your engagement. If you need the extra penetration, we know what works. I shoot 80# and 30.5", I can get a pass through on deer with a shorter fixed blade like the 200gr Tuffhead or VPA but a lower energy guy might need to carefully pick his shots or go longer.
      Your other comments about bone chisels really hits the nail on the head. There are different mechanics of breakage, and different interactions of angle and speed will affect how the bone reacts and separates. The best way to do it at lower forces and with less wasted energy is lightly torquing the bone with a slicing angle of attack, instead of a direct chop. Needlessly accelerating the bits of bone just wastes the arrow's KE.

  • @alexlindekugel8727
    @alexlindekugel8727 Год назад +1

    incline plain the longer the angle the less force required to move something up it. that said the steeper angle in a cuting application means more surface area for drag to act apone it.

    • @RanchFairy
      @RanchFairy  Год назад +1

      A man with logic is rare these days.

  • @mr.skeptical3071
    @mr.skeptical3071 Год назад +2

    With mechanicals: With a light draw and light arrow it absolutely matters! Get a faster bow and throw in a 100 gr. Insert and that will over come it alot, especially if you go from wide over the top mechanicals to rear deployed not as wide.

    • @RanchFairy
      @RanchFairy  Год назад +1

      Sir Isaac Newton.
      Law 3.
      It will help, but the physics will also create an issue that is just,
      Simple
      Math.

  • @Racketeerof89
    @Racketeerof89 Год назад +3

    Curious how this angle of attack acts with a Swhacker broadhead that opens after hide penetration. The AoA would be even narrower.

    • @RanchFairy
      @RanchFairy  Год назад +1

      It’s till a mech
      And YOU HAVE BEEN SOLD that it will ALWAYS deploy past the ribs…..that is bullshit. Shoot one quartering away.
      Just like all mechs. Blades will deploy inconsistently and you’re back to the same place.

    • @Bowbender8
      @Bowbender8 Год назад

      The Swhacker becomes just another "chopper" when opened however it is hopefully in lung tissue when fully expanded, and its blade should NOT be dulled going through the entry side hide and even ribs. I used a Shwacker 2 years ago to take a decent IL 9 point. Long shot. Deer moved a bunch. Like other pivoting blade heads, the Swhacker made a hard turn in the body of the deer. That deer went a LONG way before being recovered. So I pulled out a bunch of Muzzy 4 blades. Deer just didn't go far 30 years ago when hit by those little Muzzys.

    • @tolt1776
      @tolt1776 Год назад

      Why would you think a mechanical would do anything in .30 seconds while going through an animal? Might as well use a field point!

    • @Racketeerof89
      @Racketeerof89 Год назад +1

      Well I can give a field update from opening season in TN. 3 bucks and 1 doe killed. Two shot in the triangle, one broadhead broke through a rib before deploying. Did not malfunction. Other two just to the rear of the triangle and both quickly bleed out.
      All four broadheads were complete pass throughs, and all deployed their blades flying true through the body cavity, even though one centered a rib. Side note these were also the 150g 3 inch variants shot from a fury 410 and a tenpoint Vapor.

  • @stephenballard3759
    @stephenballard3759 Год назад +3

    Man Troy, I get tired of these comment sections.
    " Waaah. Waah.... I don't want to do the most effective thing, or use the most effective arrow. "
    "Well, I think blah blah blah blah blah. " like it's an opinion.
    "Well you gotta find out middle ground...."
    You know, that middle ground between facts and marketing bullshit.
    "What are you talking about? i've seen a flipper flapper fly right through an elk."
    " Well it sounds like Ed Ashby needs to go do a little hunting."
    These people not only have problems with facts, they even have problems with operational definitions. What most people consider evidence is maddening. It's like talking to bigfoot researchers.
    I just watched a video from one of these shot-placement twizzler stick proponents, where he shot under a deer. Every time you miss is a time you got lucky and didn't wound an animal. And we all miss. Of course we all miss. Of course you can shoot through a deer when everything goes right. But I do not at all understand this resistance to using the most effective equipment.
    " Yeah well I really like my ceramic hammer. If you hit it just right it don't break, and you can buy these special padded nails, too. I probably driven twenty nails with his hammer. Kind of hate to use a regular hammer, they're kind of heavy."
    I'm a trad guy, and I remember seeing the pictures of Ed Ashby shooting clear through buffalo with arrows made out of ipe wood.
    Thanks for sticking to the facts.

  • @collinslangley361
    @collinslangley361 Год назад +3

    I can’t emphasize the importance of a pass through for lethality. Working in trauma in the hospitals if you have a pass through wound your chances of survival are much worse. Steve Irwin probably would’ve lived if he didn’t pull the barb out. Tissue will contract around an object that has penetrated into the tissue and can help make a seal. If the penetrating object isn’t in the wound the tissue cant contact around it and no seal is made.

  • @approachingtarget.4503
    @approachingtarget.4503 Год назад +1

    What makes a bigger whole? A .22 or 12 Gauge. Blunt force trauma!

  • @caseyhepler2806
    @caseyhepler2806 Год назад +1

    With the short length of crossbow arrows, how heavy a broadhead before it is to front heavy for good flight, ten point 440 fps

    • @Derrek4Real
      @Derrek4Real Год назад

      I wonder the same thing.. I use 100 grain broadheads and have a 120 grain insert for FOC

    • @mjk208
      @mjk208 Год назад

      To heavy up front for good flight. Is that even a thing? Probably need to define good flight to start.

  • @jonanna980
    @jonanna980 Год назад +4

    Every time I watch these videos, I feel dumb. Because this stuff just makes so much sense, and I can’t believe that I hadn’t taken the time to think about. Next season I’m going full blown tin foil hat

  • @calebcrouch6652
    @calebcrouch6652 Год назад +1

    @RanchFairy - Hey Troy, just diving into the "adult arrows" and plan to be ready for next season. When I was researching single bevel broadheads I saw that Tuffhead has implemented a bloodring system (what seem similar to "bleeder blades". Have you tried them? Any testing to show impact to penetration? Thanks for all the information and great work you are doing in our sport!

    • @RanchFairy
      @RanchFairy  Год назад

      They have been solid. Not breaking or anything.
      Haven't hurt penetration.
      and I don't think they make one bit of difference for lethality. If you want my opinion. I hope you did!!!!
      SHARP matters way more.
      Accurate Arrow platform matters way, way, way, more.

    • @travis9687
      @travis9687 11 месяцев назад

      Howdy Ranch…I just saw this…I’ve got a small channel on TikTok…TLTLtrad is me…I made a video/stich about this that you might really find helpful….another creator-BruleCreekwhitetails has a broadhead tester that he uses to test the foot pounds of force needed by different designed broadheads/angle of broadhead, mechanical vs fixed, 3 blade vs 2….this information could really help out a lot of people

  • @dennisrobinson753
    @dennisrobinson753 Год назад +5

    Going 200 grain single bevel on my first crossbow season every thing you are saying is spot on to me

    • @TheEverLovingOutdoors
      @TheEverLovingOutdoors Год назад

      What kind of crossbow?

    • @jakepeck5944
      @jakepeck5944 Год назад

      Yeah let us know how that works and what crossbow and bolt you’re using, I’m very interested!

    • @Cummins-
      @Cummins- Год назад

      Ya I would like to here of your results with that. The old lady uses a crossbow and would like to give the same type advantage with busting through bone

    • @austinogrady8832
      @austinogrady8832 7 месяцев назад

      I've heard cutthroats are great on x bows. That 200gr'er is the bees knees!

  • @ThatJamesGuy88
    @ThatJamesGuy88 Год назад +5

    Hey Troy, I’m not an engineer but I had a thought-I think a thicker blade would need a sharper angle of attack to overcome the same resistance a thinner blade faces in a soft target. Any thoughts?

    • @garrettstraffon608
      @garrettstraffon608 Год назад +1

      The edge is still thin. Once the edge cuts doesn’t matter how thick the blade is. The thicker the better at that point and the stronger it’s gonna be. That’s why rage twists and bends and looks like a piece of aluminum foil balled up after a shot. I’ve killed deer with rages. They can work and do work. But there throw aways.

    • @jcarry5214
      @jcarry5214 Год назад +3

      @@garrettstraffon608agreed, in living tissue it’s irrelevant. In sticky gel blocks or stacked magazines it might matter but that’s not what we’re hunting.

    • @josephtreadlightly5686
      @josephtreadlightly5686 Год назад +1

      Makes sense. Kill 1 out of 3 if you're lucky & leavevit up to major league B.A. which is more equivalent to a Corporate B.M. I.

    • @garrettstraffon608
      @garrettstraffon608 Год назад +1

      @@josephtreadlightly5686 pretty much. But you kinda go in between. Not a rage, not a single bevel, more like a QAD Exodus And be done with it

    • @stephenballard3759
      @stephenballard3759 Год назад +1

      The Ashby report covers that.
      The trade off is that thinner blades are more easily bent dold or broken. When blades bend or break, penetration stops almost immediately.

  • @MrFishguy60
    @MrFishguy60 Год назад

    Yep, I agree. I want to hunt with you someday, it's on my bucket list. Talking about ribcage, I think where the most problems come into play for broadheads that are short with a more flat angle is when they hit a ribcage when the animal is on a fully exhaled lung. Now the ribs twist when they get hit and move more like a leaf spring than when the lung is on a fully inhaled breath of air. Most of the problems occur when the animal is exhaled as the arrow strikes it. On top of what you said, that angle is the most critical thing to having the arrow change direction. I guide for Deer in Washington. 2 of my people shot Deer with flater angled broadheads this year, one was a short 4 blade one was mechanical, both said they took broadside shots, and they both hit the crease behind the shoulder on entry, both arrows exited forward of the front shoulder. They killed them, however, not in fine style. Both blades hit horizontally causing the deflection left. If they hit vertical I see them glance down and end up in the brisket.

    • @MrFishguy60
      @MrFishguy60 Год назад

      Thanks, it would be cool to hang out with Troy. @EdAshby

  • @jrhunt414
    @jrhunt414 Год назад +3

    Always thought it was better to shatter a bone to allow the arrow to penetrate than to cut the bone and have the bone compress the arrow like a target does.
    Obviously a low blade angle and smaller cutting diameter helps with both bone and meat penetration, but I have a theory that the tips ability to shatter bone instead of splitting it is also a factor in penetration. What is your opinion on trocar type tips and their effectiveness when an arrow hits a rib or scapula? I don’t think a trocar tip would be the best for cutting meat or for low energy setups but for high energy bone impacts on ribs or scapula I think it may be worth it.

    • @jbrooksy
      @jbrooksy Год назад +1

      Put your "theory" to test and let us know.

    • @bakters
      @bakters Год назад +1

      " *better to shatter a bone* "
      Like, it's easier to bludgeon through a ribcage with a mallet instead of with a cleaver?
      Think of how many fracture lines a shatter creates. Every fracture needs similar amounts of energy per unit of length. If you cut the bone, you create one single fracture line. You need and lose only that amount of energy.

    • @jrhunt414
      @jrhunt414 Год назад

      @@bakters what I’m thinking is that it’s worth the small amount of extra energy to shatter the bone with fractures in multiple directions with the tip of the broadhead instead of splitting the bone on just one plane and losing more energy as the arrow and blades drag on the bone that is trying to compress around the arrow.
      I understand that each fracture line takes energy to create but it will clear the way for the rest of the broadhead and arrow to pass through the bone without using more energy.
      It’s just a theory, I haven’t tested it. I know Troy and his group have done a lot of testing and I was wondering if he had ever done any testing with tips like the Muzzy trocar type. Obviously just using a Muzzy wouldn’t be comparable since it’s a weak aluminum head with tiny replaceable razors that deform.

    • @rickjames2618
      @rickjames2618 Год назад +1

      Keep in mind living bone is fibrous and doesn’t shatter to the degree that dried bone does.

    • @jcarry5214
      @jcarry5214 Год назад

      @@rickjames2618right, you might be able to maul split it, maybe pop it like an oyster, but it’s not going to just surrender like masonry or something.

  • @novarocker247
    @novarocker247 2 месяца назад

    One thing I found interesting was the testing done on how bone itself reacts to that angle. It’s the argument for an axle and a maul. Too small of an angle you’re trying to almost drill through or cut through and the maul has the quick small pressure of a wider angle to blow the wood apart. Some of the brands like Magnus is playing with this where they add a small area with a wider bevel (I can’t remember the name they call it) and they have found it blows to the bone away and there is a sweet spot for this where too great of the size will slow the arrow down too much and too small it just tries to cut through the bone and get stuck. It’s pretty interesting. You can notice this a bit on the tuff head as well it has that greater bevel at the tip and it blows the bone aside and the blade remains sharp to do the cutting. So IMO what would work best the sharp blades with a lower angle with a greater angle on the tip.

    • @novarocker247
      @novarocker247 2 месяца назад

      Almost like a RF broadhead 😂

    • @RanchFairy
      @RanchFairy  2 месяца назад +1

      Excellent note. The tanto on a Tuffhead (and RF) is designed via consulting with Dr Ed Ashby. With a single bevel, you want the tip to catch in the bone just a bit and initiate single bevel rotation. The rotational leverage is what makes the bone snap. The bone, itself, has a resistance force, once that is overcome the bone cracks. We have replicated this on pigs. Longest crack ive recorded, with RF head. 4" long in the scapula of 2 pigs.
      Here's the catch. DUE TO THE BONE density being quite variable. "Results from the Broadhead" vary due to the bone. Not the other way around. You hit the scapular flat, you'll make a U shaped hole, doesn't tend to crack. Hit the ridge of the scapula, VERY HARD, it cracks.
      A humerus (ive done this multiple times) tends to SHATTER!. It's wild.

  • @joelwerronen8107
    @joelwerronen8107 Год назад +4

    2 deer that I shot with mechanicals. They have ricoheted off a rib turned and went thru the guts. Not pretty both deer suffered longer than they needed to.

    • @MMead85
      @MMead85 Год назад +3

      I had exactly that happen as well. I had to make a change and am glad I did.

    • @jcarry5214
      @jcarry5214 Год назад +5

      I’m commenting so I get notified when some defensive mechanical lover shows up in a slobbering rage.

    • @Cummins-
      @Cummins- Год назад +3

      Helped a friend track nine deer one year with those damn flappers. He got dubbed the great American deer wounder..never did find one them. That did it for me on deciding what to shoot.

    • @jcarry5214
      @jcarry5214 Год назад +1

      @@Cummins- you’re either a very bored person or you have a huge heart or you owe this friend a lot. I wouldn’t chase nine maimed deer for my mom. After two id be like ok Becky, lose my number til you figure this out.

    • @Cummins-
      @Cummins- Год назад +3

      Young and dumb at the time this has been almost 20 years ago.

  • @nikolasshay3294
    @nikolasshay3294 Год назад +1

    Ive been wade fishing for around 25 yrs and i got hit by a stingray for the first time this year. Surprisingly i was standing still when it happened. I was fishing a cut and was standing there for about 5 minutes without moving. All of the sudden it feels like i get wacked with a piece of rebar on the front of my shin. Luckily i didnt get hit with the barb but it hit me so hard that it still left a red line mark on my shin even through the neoprene upper portion of my boot.

  • @jakepeck5944
    @jakepeck5944 Год назад +1

    What would you suggest for the crossbow community? Are these blades you suggest okay for crossbows?

    • @Steve-ev6vx
      @Steve-ev6vx 4 месяца назад

      Yes, he has videos about it.

  • @raven7068
    @raven7068 Год назад +3

    I agree with everything you're said. In fact, I even called it common sense. it's sad that you have to give such an explanation for some people to realize the common sense in this.

    • @RanchFairy
      @RanchFairy  Год назад +3

      Honestly, not a lot of people think about this stuff and they aren't missing it, they just haven't had the idea presented to them.
      I had a family (multiple degrees mind you) tell me one time that the moon always comes up at sundown......and they are smarter now.

  • @patrickgallagher4344
    @patrickgallagher4344 Год назад +1

    Hey Troy I know you’re a big advocate of longer profile broad heads like you talk about here but one of your favorite broad heads is the magnus black hornet serazer which is my favorite whitetail head! Could you touch on that a bit for me? Thanks man.

    • @RanchFairy
      @RanchFairy  Год назад

      It surprised me with its efficiency on meat.
      I cannot tell you why it works - factually. When Mike sent them to me a long time ago, I told him I hated them!! Price point is great.
      They work great. Warranty is great.

  • @tylermagill874
    @tylermagill874 Год назад

    I completely understand your logic..your theory.. based on the weights or grains you describe... why do I get perfect pass through out to 40 yards with a 2 inch mechanical with a 60lb bow? 340 spine arrows?...

  • @jvossen4
    @jvossen4 Год назад +1

    I want one of those shirts

  • @KGrant12081955
    @KGrant12081955 Год назад

    Why do you use fish hooks that resemble what you just talked about, long and skinny? Would it be that the point you're making applies to broadheads, stingray barbs and fish hooks?

  • @jesse4530
    @jesse4530 Год назад +1

    I thought the KE required by mechanical broadhead companies was for the broadhead to deploy only. Not a recomendation on getting a kill. I might be wrong though.

    • @Hubble-M
      @Hubble-M Год назад

      I think it's to deploy and break hide

    • @RanchFairy
      @RanchFairy  Год назад

      I don’t know

  • @Hubble-M
    @Hubble-M Год назад +3

    Gotta give iron will their due man. He might have a different angle then you like but he is doing a lot to show fixed blades are better and he's made in usa

    • @jcarry5214
      @jcarry5214 Год назад +1

      Yeah he’s one of those unusual guys that is selling something but ia also quietly good for the whole community, seems like such an upright dude like troy.

    • @Hubble-M
      @Hubble-M Год назад +1

      @jcarry5214 I agree. His podcast with John really showed a lot about his character in a good way and remained calm. I was very impressed with him. It's funny how he can admittedly wear the stupid hat, then break down the damage to an animal with serious knowledge. I'm a fan of Troy, and he does usually admit when he's out of his lane when it comes to hunting different game. I want to see what would happen if Troy, the rocket man, MFJJ, and iron will bill all mashed together for all the game that can be hunted in North America.

  • @jimpusher9082
    @jimpusher9082 Год назад

    Question concerning Mechanical Broadheads having never used them i am not sure how they work. Would the angle not change due to how much force is being applied to the front of the broadhead and how much force is being applied to the deployed cutting edges?

  • @Vinnys_vids
    @Vinnys_vids Год назад +6

    Is anyone else on the 450 gn mechanical side but just has mad respect for ranch fairy.

    • @RanchFairy
      @RanchFairy  6 месяцев назад +1

      I do! Great comment, thank you.

  • @brycehiigel235
    @brycehiigel235 Год назад +1

    You showed how long and skinny the stingray barb is long and skinny. It go me to thinking if you look at most antlers and horns are also long and skinny with a few exceptions like sheep and the moose is kind of a hybrid.

  • @paulheberling2750
    @paulheberling2750 Год назад

    3:01 must be iron Will Bill? Wondering he thinks the steeper angle is better?

  • @chrisruzsa2798
    @chrisruzsa2798 Год назад +1

    Hey Troy where can i get good single bevels of higher grains that will fit crossbow bolts nice and flush? Vertical stuff always leaves a lip on crossbow shafts.

    • @mikeguy9668
      @mikeguy9668 Год назад +2

      Ironwill has just what you're asking for. I'm not Troy but thats ok lol

    • @chrisruzsa2798
      @chrisruzsa2798 Год назад +1

      @@mikeguy9668 thanks buddy i will check those out. Tis appreciated.

    • @jesseherbert2585
      @jesseherbert2585 Год назад +2

      I'm trying the Bear Razorhead adjustable weight broadheads on mine. Lancaster Archery and Cabellas both have them (even Amazon I think) and I'm adding the Innerloc screw in weight adapters too for getting 225 grains (they go from 200 to 250 skipping 225). While they don't quite look like a 3 to 1 ratio they are close, and are single bevel. Relatively cheap too at 60 per. Some decent reviews as well. I'm after whitetail too and not boar so I am feeling like they will be great on both my recurve (in NY no early crossbow) and my crossbow in VT.

    • @chrisruzsa2798
      @chrisruzsa2798 Год назад +1

      @@jesseherbert2585 thanks a bunch as well. You guys are giving me some options for sure.

  • @Sideshowbobx
    @Sideshowbobx Год назад +2

    Going to axes - when it comes to splitting tough wood splitting axes blade length decrease to focus the momentum better, same the angle increase. Splitting hammers and bits drive this principle to max in the axe world minimum edge maximum body and momentum. Dagger design after all had a point and a dagger shaped broadhead will penetrate best.

    • @jrhunt414
      @jrhunt414 Год назад

      Now it’s got me thinking of splitting wood, a splitting maul is fat and splits wood easily because the wood splits and moves out of the way. The maul continues to penetrate the round cookie below it. An axe that is designed to cut simply penetrates the wood and is squeezed until the axe stops in the unsplit wood.
      I know this isn’t really comparable to cutting meat but maybe it’s comparable to bone impacts.

    • @Ughmahedhurtz
      @Ughmahedhurtz Год назад

      @@jrhunt414This is a distraction, IMO. The main reason is that bones in living targets are not the same as dry ones. Same principle as trying to split fresh-cut green logs versus those that have been dried out.

    • @jrhunt414
      @jrhunt414 Год назад

      @@Ughmahedhurtz yes and all bones are different too as well as impact angle. Bones are also surrounded by meat and ligaments. I’d be interesting to see studies on direct rob impacts and scapula impacts with various blade and tip designs.

  • @african7498
    @african7498 Год назад

    Look at knives - a fillet knife has a very small angle - longer cutting surface - for the same reason. My question is about accuracy - some say they start to drift or plane with that much long blade? I totally agree just have this nagging thought.

    • @RanchFairy
      @RanchFairy  Год назад

      And who do you know
      With Pictures...or video...showing you this drift?
      Maybe some guy in his basement.
      I will suggest
      Ranch Fairy Test Kit Process Playlist.
      Proper Spine
      Arrows tuned for consistency across the whole set.
      Arrows tuned to shoot the point mass you have chosen.
      Put in the work. Then they will fly. But folks who just kinda paper tune a light spine arrow and "call it good".
      Well, Yup. Adult broadheads won't fly. I agree!

    • @african7498
      @african7498 Год назад

      I have watched every video on RF - sniffed the dust and agree with most stuff. Also defletched my arrows and bareshaft tuned before refletching. Made a big difference for me. Great advice. The bigger the fletch the more lift or drag!! In front and at back! I dont need 100% accuracy at 100 yards - good accuracy within 40m is all I need.

  • @ThirdLawPair
    @ThirdLawPair Год назад

    Did Ed Ashby use the term "angle of attack" to describe the shape of the broadhead? I'm familiar with that term as an aerodynamic parameter describing the difference between the velocity vector and the orientation vector of the arrow.

    • @turtleman5111
      @turtleman5111 Год назад +1

      Are you one of the guys from Big Bang Theory? I don't think that you are Sheldon; he never ASKS questions.

    • @ThirdLawPair
      @ThirdLawPair Год назад

      @EdAshby I agree, but the cord line on a broadhead is always parallel to the arrow shaft regardless of the angle of the blade.

    • @ThirdLawPair
      @ThirdLawPair Год назад

      @@turtleman5111 I'm actually a quantum physicist by training, but my current research focus is about the physical mechanisms by which the brain stores and processes information. So, you could say that I am Sheldon AND Amy. Bowhunting is a fun hobby both in terms of the physics of the arrow, and in terms of the neuroscience of learning archery.

    • @turtleman5111
      @turtleman5111 Год назад +1

      @@ThirdLawPair Haha. I was CLOSE! Hey, God bless ya, and good luck this year. I changed my bolt+broadhead set-up this year (again); my KE is about 1.28 and my MOM is about .757, but those dam smart deer have always been about 100+ yards away so far, so I haven't had the opportunity to test my new concoction.

  • @Mason_H99
    @Mason_H99 Год назад +2

    One of Rages old slogan was "Its like throwing an Axe through an animal" if they actually went through it would be spot on

    • @michaelcolthart4006
      @michaelcolthart4006 Год назад

      They do…..I’ve shot 15-20 deer with them and never not had a pass through.

    • @mjk208
      @mjk208 Год назад

      ⁠@@michaelcolthart4006you’re an outlier for sure.

  • @vtcrafter6626
    @vtcrafter6626 Год назад

    What is your honest opinion on the swhacker broadheads? I know they’re not steel they’re aluminum ferule. But angle of attack gojng in is very low until they open and blades are sharp until inside

    • @RanchFairy
      @RanchFairy  Год назад +3

      Perfectly broadside
      It’s a mech
      BUT IF the blades don’t get behind the ribs…..it’s going to BONK. I’ve done that.
      And quartering shots. It’s still going to have inconsistent blade deployment

  • @jeffr8454
    @jeffr8454 Год назад

    It simply comes down to mechanical advantage. A long narrow broadhead has a larger cutting surface which results in more slicing and less pushing the blade through meat. No one cuts a steak by pushing straight down on it with a knife edge, the sawing action is the increased surface area that does the cutting just like a 3:1 broadhead has been shown to do best.

  • @paulheberling2750
    @paulheberling2750 Год назад

    10:36 Dud made mention of the axe (mechanical angle) being more lethal than the knife (fixed low angle). But I think what he forgot was that the axe has more mass. But that’s what the low angle fixed proponents are promoting as well, more mass. So really he needs to use the chop angle of a knife instead of an axe to be more accurate to light weight mechanical arrows. To be stabbed by a knife or chopped? I’d take chopped.

  • @dougblaney-df1rd
    @dougblaney-df1rd 8 месяцев назад

    Been doing this since 1979 seen a lot and I'm sure no expert but be respectful of each other.

  • @jasonard7227
    @jasonard7227 Год назад +6

    well if it makes sense then half the haters are gonna be confused cause ol john wants his flipper flapper to only go in and stay there and since he can hit a target at 100 plus yards he must know everything lol

    • @RanchFairy
      @RanchFairy  Год назад +1

      He never missed
      Ever - keep that in mind!!

  • @GirthBrooks1050
    @GirthBrooks1050 Год назад

    What’s the long head on the left in the video?

    • @jesse4530
      @jesse4530 Год назад

      Probably an old tough head. I think they aren't made anymore ,but Grislystik makes one called the Ashby Head. It's 350g. There are also cheaper steelforce heads that are similar but not monolithic.

  • @thebearclaw0
    @thebearclaw0 Год назад

    Try looking at ancient arrows they did all the work already

  • @donaldsheppard5612
    @donaldsheppard5612 Год назад

    Do heads with a convex or concave cutting edge help or hurt you?

    • @jcarry5214
      @jcarry5214 Год назад +1

      That’s a good question. Kudu vs maasai kinda.

  • @ericnewman971
    @ericnewman971 Год назад

    Is it pushing the tissue, or is it cutting the tissue? That is two different things and will have two different results. would be nice to see the data and say the average arrow of 450gr vs 550 gr vs blade angle vs the energy it takes to penetrate. so say the rage with a 450 stops penetrating, say, at 45ft-lbs but with the 550 is is 35ft-lbs. then repeat the test with the other broadheads.

    • @RanchFairy
      @RanchFairy  Год назад +1

      Man I love you.
      I got a great idea use foam.
      That shows the best results!
      I mean, afterall, it's super consistent, no variability and no hard things.
      You can prove your theory by rigging the test in a medium that shows what you want.
      Post a bunch of pictures on some FB pages. It makes for great content.

    • @ericnewman971
      @ericnewman971 Год назад

      I know you love me. We have had such a love affair for what 6 years now. well, probably 4 years we actually liked each other the first 2 years. damn, that sounds like most marriages haha. Why would we want to test broadheads' ability to cut in an equally resistant target? That makes no sense. The only place I know where anyone actually looked at penetration in a foam target and compared it to an animal was Dr. Ashby in the 2008 updates, where he was explaining about FOC and why, with a trad bow, FOC increases penetration. It just seems to me since you are trying to explain the broadhead angle, You could do some good testing on pigs. @@RanchFairy

  • @ChristopherGreen-p4j
    @ChristopherGreen-p4j Год назад +1

    You don’t have enough stickers on your truck to recommend broadheads to me.

  • @brandonyoung7760
    @brandonyoung7760 Год назад

    Approach angle is why I only use SEVR mechanical broadheads now.

  • @woodspecialist83
    @woodspecialist83 Год назад

    As anyone who as ever dug a ditch by hand can tell you, picks penetrate earth way better than sledge hammers...

  • @kencoffman7145
    @kencoffman7145 Год назад +3

    Buy a loaf of bread from the bakery, take your sharpest kitchen knife and try to push the blade through (top to bottom) then do the same with a slicing motion, blades need to slide through not chop. Preach Ranch Fairy!

  • @corygipson5426
    @corygipson5426 Год назад +1

    Just look at tank rounds they are very pointy😂😂 this makes complete sense.

  • @Oldcoinsandstuff1
    @Oldcoinsandstuff1 Год назад

    Love the shirt

  • @phobiarg
    @phobiarg Год назад +1

    I agree that the angle of attack on the edge matters, but I wonder how much surface area on the broadhead affects the drag. We all agree that the width of the head affects drag, but the length of it does as well, there's just more material dragging against the faces of the edge and the sides of the head. I just don't know how much that matters in relation to the arrow shaft's surface area. A 3" x 1" head is going to have just over 1.5 sq in of surface area, while a the shaft is going to have significantly more. Though it is following through a larger hole created by said head.

  • @chrismuhlbeier6948
    @chrismuhlbeier6948 Год назад

    The absolute biggest problem with long broadheads is arrow flight. A 3:1 unvented broadhead is extraordinarily unforgiving in flight by design.

  • @southboundeightyone4958
    @southboundeightyone4958 Год назад

    Mechanical. Cutting. Advantage.

  • @rustinpeace7466
    @rustinpeace7466 Год назад

    Said owner of company described a testing setup - pneumatic actuator and force meter if I recall. Seems easy enough to put this one to sleep if the testing is done and published. A pork shoulder wrapped in hide wouldn't be a perfect replica of a live animal but I don't think it would matter as much as testing other factors.

    • @mjk208
      @mjk208 Год назад

      The testing has been done and continues to be done since tue beginning of man’s quest for meat. Fortunately for us there’s countless events recorded and then published on RUclips for our enjoyment.
      One of my favorite channels is the perfect place to view these events. They make great videos but they are sponsored or at least favor mechanical broadheads unfortunately. It’s maddening how consistently they achieve embarrassing poor penetration on whitetail. Makes me not want to watch their videos anymore.

    • @tolt1776
      @tolt1776 Год назад

      Animals move.

    • @rustinpeace7466
      @rustinpeace7466 Год назад

      @@tolt1776 that they do, but in Ashby's study he made many shots on an already dead animal, making the point moot. I'll admit I haven't looked at the data myself to see if this category was tested purely on live animals.

    • @tolt1776
      @tolt1776 Год назад

      @@rustinpeace7466 yah and many on live ones..it's literally never been replicated yet everyone wants to doubt it lol. Ashby shot more animals in a year than 90% will in a lifetime. People literally can't understand because they can't comprehend because they never will see the carnage. 99% of hunters will never even shoot 3 deer in a day..think of that! My personal best is 8 deer 4 pigs and 6 goats.

  • @jonabub
    @jonabub Год назад +1

    I will go out on a limb here as you guys seem to say in this case. I'm not a hunter, nor anything close to a scientist in my eyes but i do have some thoughts and i would love to see what kind of answers i get.
    In order to simplify my hypothesis i'll generalise a few conditions first. I think one decisive parameter for the resistance an arrow, or any projectile faces in a matrix is the area of engagement, in other words the width of the arrowhead. The larger the head, the more resistance it will face. So in the following i will assume that all arrowheads have the same width, only the angle of attack of the edge is different. I'll also assume all arrowheads have the same sharpness.
    So if my thoughts are right your hypothesis would be that a shallower angle of attack would lead to an easier ramp (wheelchairthingy). And i would tend to agree with that assumptions if we were applying the force in the same manner as a guy in a wheelchair would, that is continuously putting more work into it.
    But in this case i'd think that we start with a bunch of kinetic energy and would loose more and more the further in we go. Therefore a shallower angle of attack would mean that there is far more contact surface of the arrowtip in the matrix before the full width of the arrowtip has had time to penetrate the skin or outer layer of the matrix. Therefore the arrow would have less energy at this point. But the work that has to be put in would still be the same since it's the same width.
    I think in Tod's workshop they did a piece on arrowtips of medieval era. And they concluded that not broadheads but the kind that was larger at the front and got thinner towards the back penetrated better because they had more energy to punch through at first. It wasn't about soft tissue though so maybe that might make a difference.
    I think this would require some rocket man science to resume this. And i hope to get great and thoughtful and critical answers.
    Love your channel, love the openmindedness with which you tackled a formerly foreign topic. Thanks for that.

  • @jcarry5214
    @jcarry5214 Год назад +1

    I can’t watch this right now but one thing that drives me bananas, actually 2 things: using gel as a test medium for whitetail deer, and not weighing the penetration in gel against the stickiness of the gel braking against the larger or smaller surface area of broadheads. Take Iohn Lusk, I really like his comparative approach but he loses his logic on the gel. Well, that and some aspects of the durability testing. Comparison is one thing, conclusions about performance are another, ESPECIALLY when it comes to penetration. Furthermore, part of the point of the 3:1 ratio is leverage and less wasted energy when opening bone to slip through, not necessarily that it slices meat better.

    • @tolt1776
      @tolt1776 Год назад

      It does slice meat better though..research "scalpel" Lusk is a TOOL...A BLUNT TOOL

    • @jcarry5214
      @jcarry5214 Год назад

      @@tolt1776 which of the heads are shaped like a scalpel? Not the 3:1 🙄. I also said part of point and not necessarily. But go ahead insulting a guy who don’t know. He’s a pastor, I doubt he’s much of a jerk or a dipshit.

    • @jcarry5214
      @jcarry5214 Год назад

      @@tolt1776 I didn’t say they don’t cut better, I said gel can’t measure it because it’s sticky and it stops larger heads sooner.

    • @tolt1776
      @tolt1776 Год назад

      @@jcarry5214 cool.. pastors can be pedophiles and are just people.

    • @tolt1776
      @tolt1776 Год назад

      @@jcarry5214 duh

  • @yunwiyawaya8593
    @yunwiyawaya8593 Год назад

    I would say 1st one on the left @200 grain. Idk tho

  • @tolt1776
    @tolt1776 Год назад +2

    I love how people cant actually believe scientific facts...these comments are fucking hilarious...."dudley this and dudley that" or "i blah blah ya but troy blah blah he fishes and shoots pigs" TROY obviously is NOT doing this to create fans or social media friends...OTHERWISE he wouldn't be so intent on focusing on how stupid everyone WANTS to remain....

    • @RanchFairy
      @RanchFairy  Год назад +3

      Someone is paying attention. The old RF is just trying to spread concepts to improve lethality.
      By the way, More People need to buy some damn fishing rods. You can fish all year long!!! It doesn't suck!! Solid comment.

    • @tolt1776
      @tolt1776 Год назад +1

      @RanchFairy once I guided in Alaska fishing become less romantic...from there I spent 7 years on my dad's 1400 acre target rich ranch on maui...I've killed more in one day than most in their lifetime and everything about ashby intrigues me...everyone talks shit yet nobody is even remotely trying to replicate what he did...narcissism is a helluva drug! I lost two fairy 200s last night because no blink blink nocks...blink blinks protect the broadhead investment...first year with the recurve over 6 encounters between 40-60yds with BIG bulls last night had a 5 point called up to 7 and well shit got weird then after that he was at 35 broadside and my arrow zipped over his back while shaving some hair...both broadheads gone 😆 🤣 best elk season of my life without notching a tag by far.

  • @TheEverLovingOutdoors
    @TheEverLovingOutdoors Год назад +2

    Longer broadheads are more likely to deflect off bone vs grab and penetrate. You're right about the super wide broadheads. G5 Montec has pretty much the best angel when it comes to broadheads.

    • @bakters
      @bakters Год назад +2

      " *Longer broadheads are more likely to deflect off bone vs grab and penetrate.* "
      Why would that be the case? It's like saying that a nail is more likely to deflect from the plank than a flat chisel.

    • @TheEverLovingOutdoors
      @TheEverLovingOutdoors Год назад

      @@bakters at an angle it is duhh

    • @TheEverLovingOutdoors
      @TheEverLovingOutdoors Год назад

      @@bakters bones ain't flat genius. You take a nail to something at an angle vs a chisel. What is going to cause more damage 😭

    • @bakters
      @bakters Год назад +1

      @@TheEverLovingOutdoors " *You take a nail to something at an angle vs a chisel* "
      I did. A blunt object is more likely to bounce off. Chisels are wide, so, by definition, can't be made as sharp as you could make a nail. Try imagining throwing chisel tipped darts.
      The angle doesn't change anything here. A thin point thing will bite more readily than a flat, wide thingy.
      " *What is going to cause more damage* "
      Something that goes in.

    • @davidholliday2703
      @davidholliday2703 Год назад +1

      Stop it you guys.

  • @MichaelLakota-vc4tk
    @MichaelLakota-vc4tk Год назад

    I’m sick and tired of experienced archers looking for the best setups. If they are still not happy with performance it only means that they have not done the work! Shoot heavy - vertical bowers stay away from mechanicals. I shoot mechanicals with my x-bow, but it’s also sending 500gr. arrows down range at 450 fps. Almost impossible to get perfect flight at that speed. I’m still trying though, and I will succeed because I’m putting in the work!!

    • @tolt1776
      @tolt1776 Год назад

      No, you won't and you are doing work you are being dumb...mechanicals are gimmicks...furthermore the avg weight of stone points of our ancestors is over 200 grains all day. FOC is ancestral sound.

    • @tolt1776
      @tolt1776 Год назад

      Says he is experienced, then says he is still working. Contradictory statement.

    • @MichaelLakota-vc4tk
      @MichaelLakota-vc4tk Год назад

      I want sub one inch groups to 40 yards! That’s with field points, successful-That’s with Swacker 150gr mechanicals. Got that today! Happy for that!! Working on my Magnus Stinger killer bees,as I type this- 2.25 groups. Not acceptable for me. All heads are 150gr. or close to it. 6 built arrows that I built and there’s no adjustments to the scope to get these results. Like I said….. I am putting the work in and it is worth it ! I. I can grab any one of arrows and put it in the bullseye at 35yards. Soon I will have the fixed blades dialed in and any of my arrows,even a mix will be scary accurate!! At 40+yards

    • @MichaelLakota-vc4tk
      @MichaelLakota-vc4tk Год назад

      Just trying to improve on my setup-For the animals sake!!
      Plus it’s gratifying as hell !

    • @tolt1776
      @tolt1776 Год назад

      @@MichaelLakota-vc4tk think about this..why would you use a broadhead that stops the arrow from spinning upon impact?

  • @captaincripple7218
    @captaincripple7218 Год назад

    2:26 as a certified card carrying cripple I verify this example 👍🏻

  • @hawknives
    @hawknives Год назад +1

    better for the knife edge of a broadhead to slice through, than to chop through.
    Must be thick enough and heavy enough to drive through, without breaking.
    We all know by now, that slow moving heavy projectiles penetrate deep.....especially if they are traveling straight, on impact.
    Christ Bless!

  • @christiancarlson5431
    @christiancarlson5431 Год назад

    Troy, do you make your own shirts?😂 if so, can I make that shirt with your permission?

  • @sprk11
    @sprk11 Год назад

    if you are going to use shark teeth you need to acknowledge that the bottom teeth are long and slender and used to pierce and grab. The top teeth are broader and designed for side to side cutting. Hell solve it once and for all, Put a scale on the arrow and push it thru. That will tell you which is the best and no one can argue actual numbers.

    • @RanchFairy
      @RanchFairy  Год назад

      Until you add velocity. Then..v squared starts to, well, square per the drag equation.
      Shark teeth have a tremendous amount of pressure behind them.
      It is variable.
      And sharks tend to shake and roll to keep cutting action up.

    • @sprk11
      @sprk11 Год назад

      @@RanchFairy exactly. the tooth makes a great analog until you add the shark. All in all I was being a bit facetious with the trolls. Ya the whole velocity square reeks of physics 11 and I'd rather forget that year of school. All I know is that thanks to your videos I'm coming up with a better design to my wood arrow builds to get better over all weight.

  • @rosskeeling4459
    @rosskeeling4459 Год назад +1

    Wait now...Troy...the total amount of work necessary to push that wheelchair up the ramp is the same as it would be to lift it straight up onto the porch. You're measuring force, not total work. So once the entire broadhead is sunk into the flesh, a one inch wide broadhead will encounter the same resistance regardless of the rake angle, with variations due to friction. The wheelchair analogy doesn't work because the broadhead has to cut the entire length of the wedge at the same time, and you lose your mechanical advantage. BUT, there is a huge advantage when the broadhead strikes hard objects (bones), where the bone surface is breached by the very tip of the arrow, and where it is pushed by the entire weight of the arrow. In that case the total work is divided by distance, and your wheelchair analogy is once again relevant.
    Love your videos, man.

    • @davidholliday2703
      @davidholliday2703 Год назад +2

      Try pushing a wheelchair up a ramp and then try lifting it up and putting it up and putting it on the top platform. Much harder to do.

    • @rosskeeling4459
      @rosskeeling4459 Год назад

      @@davidholliday2703 It's just not the same. if you took a very sharp 1-inch chisel and stuck it into flesh you would be cutting a 1-in channel. That would require the same amount of energy as cutting a 1-in channel with any broadhead of that width. The rake of the broadhead does not reduce the amount of flesh you need to cut once the broadhead is fully inserted. You aren't pushing the tissue aside (like a wheelchair up a ramp) so the wedge doesn't make it easier. You still have to cut a 1-in channel in the flesh. The angle of the broadhead doesn't push it out of the way. I there will be less stress on any one portion of the edge because there's more edge, but the blade has the same amount of flesh to cut. That mechan

    • @rosskeeling4459
      @rosskeeling4459 Год назад

      @EdAshby Very true, and the wedge is very useful to separate and displace matter. It is very effective in breaking hard matter, like bone. But the broadhead's job in soft tissue is to cut it, not to displace it. They are made of thin sheet metal so they have as little purchase on the flesh as possible. They are specifically designed to cut flesh, and not displace it. So a one inch wide broadhead will encounter the same resistance as a one inch wide chisel because the soft tissues get cut by the sharp edge of the blade and run along the sides of the blade. The tissue doesn't get a ride up the wheelchair ramp because the ramp is the edge of a razor blade. So the tissue is cut in place, and not displaced by the wedge of the broadhead.

  • @Bowfella
    @Bowfella Год назад

    "You're not supposed to date yourself"
    Tell that to my right hand

  • @ToddCBrown
    @ToddCBrown Год назад +1

    OK, You brought it up… I really feel like I learn from your content and it makes sense to me as you present it. But I get flustered with you over a few things. After listening to you and reading the Ashby updates…
    1) You have told me in a reply you prefer the Magnus Black Hornet Ser Razor (foamer) over the Stinger. But the angle of attack is much better on the Stinger. The Stinger clearly has the mechanical advantage. But if you find the Black Hornet performs better how does that play against the Ashby reports? Am I misinterpreting what you have said?
    2) The Tuff Head broadheads with your name are 3 blade and a single bevel with a ratio of 1.25 to 1.6 (no where close to 3 to 1). 3 blade is the worst blade combination for penetration, even worse that 4 blade. Yes, I’ve see that you feel that sharpening is paramount with the 3 blade.
    The odd thing is that I feel like you do believe in the angle of attack story from the Ashby report. I just don’t know why you make the recommendations and endorse the products you do. Is this a matter of numerous compromises to get to a blade that has integrity and yet are single bevel and a weight folks will buy?

    • @jason_mc77
      @jason_mc77 Год назад +3

      It's all about baby steps really. The Hornet is his choice for mass market shoppers, and he's even stated he doesn't understand why it performs the way it does. The 3 blade is to get people into a high structural integrity monolithic head that is easy to way to get people used to sharpening. The smaller single bevel, at 200 grains, is a way to get folks into the single bevel world. Troy has also said he doesn't want to endorse a 125-175gn head, despite not making as much money, because it reduces the steel which reduces its strength.That said, it wouldn't surprise me at all if he released a 225-300gn head in the next year or 2. The 3:1 Tuffhead 300gn+ head is one that most people would, and do, scoff at initially since it weighs 70-90% of their total finished arrow weight by itself. Someone like me who shoots a 200gn single bevel now will probably jump to the 300gn Tuffhead in the future as long as I can make the arrow fly with 300gns of point weight.

    • @tolt1776
      @tolt1776 Год назад

      3 blades are for people who don't believe yet but want to experiment with FOC....if you shoot 150-200 grain inserts then any broadheads will work lol

  • @ngiovanni13
    @ngiovanni13 Год назад

    here I'll save you some time.. no angle of attack doesn't generally matter. the ability of a broadhead to retain is sharpness is what matters

    • @michaelcolthart4006
      @michaelcolthart4006 Год назад +1

      They both matter…

    • @RanchFairy
      @RanchFairy  Год назад +2

      That’s hilarious.
      Make a drill bit but shape it like a mechanical broadhead

  • @randyjerrett3385
    @randyjerrett3385 6 месяцев назад +1

    It’s all common sense! Which some don’t have! You just don’t wanna fight with them let them think there right, even though they’re not

  • @lawrencelewis1036
    @lawrencelewis1036 Год назад

    Come on over to this channel Dudley you can learn something. There's no need to go through life with blinders on.

  • @chrismuhlbeier6948
    @chrismuhlbeier6948 Год назад

    I'm not going to question the physics as this is actually fairly accurate. The only issue is it isn’t more acute = better. Its diminishing returns. Iron Will has demonstrated this. The question is - is penetration THE LETHALITY problem? Are we even working on the right issue?
    Even Rage guys sat they get pass throughs the majority of the time. I don't shoot a rage or mechanicals unless it's for a follow up shot or pronghorn. The reality is that most animals lost aren't lost due to penetration - it's because they were shot back. These long broadheads will do absolutely nothing in this situation. I'll take my compact accurate 3-4b broadheads all day every day.
    For the average hunter 27.5" 60# compound all evidence indicates it's not the driving factor. It's number 2 or 3. If you're shooting a long 3:1 unvented broadhead it will not have the same accuracy. The surface area of a broadhead is HUGE in forgiveness.

    • @chrismuhlbeier6948
      @chrismuhlbeier6948 Год назад

      Don't sacrifice accuracy and precision for penetration. You can get a compact or vented fixed head to fly perfect easy. More surface area = lower forgiveness in flight. Especially when you're at your worst.

    • @RanchFairy
      @RanchFairy  Год назад

      HA AHAHAAHAHAHAHA
      Iron Will is a broadhead company, guess what broadhead was the best one tested????
      HMMMMMMM - youre a sucker for that.

    • @chrismuhlbeier6948
      @chrismuhlbeier6948 Год назад

      @@RanchFairy well unfortunately, we can't rely on guys like you to put out unbiased testing data either. So I have to go with the most sound - hard data available. The Instron data he's put out is some of the best out there.

    • @chrismuhlbeier6948
      @chrismuhlbeier6948 Год назад

      @@RanchFairy I love how you targeted one small factor of what I said. I notice you do that a lot to discredit people. My primary question is: Is penetration THE lethality problem? Is it what we should be obsessed with at all costs?
      I put together polls on various forums, THP Facebook, ArcheryTalk, Rokslide and others asking the question: when you've lost an animal - what do you believe the cause was? A very small minority percentage reported that penetration is what they believe was the limiting factor. Obviously it's self reported data but we don't have other great sources for that. This is what I've personally experienced in bowhunting and those around me. In my personal contacts, I've only heard one story of an elk getting shot and not getting through the near side scapula. That was my uncle at 25.5" 60# or less 20+ years ago. Range errors and shot placement too far back are the primary causes of wounding. Heavy single bevels don't help in these situations. Aron Synder and Cody Greenwood were right in that podcast - have a setup that works for plan B which is most likely back. A sharp 3b, 4b or 2b with good size bleeders will help.

  • @anthonyforfare7223
    @anthonyforfare7223 Год назад +1

    🍭 🍬 now get into the van ,please.😮🤔😉🤪🤣😆😂

  • @WesternNyBigfoot
    @WesternNyBigfoot Год назад

    The only difference would be speed and lbs behind a broadhead compared to animal

    • @RanchFairy
      @RanchFairy  Год назад +1

      So, I'm going to guess how you decided this. Meaning If you use a terrible angle of attack broadhead, somehow you can overcome the additional pressure exerted on the target.
      That might be true if our velocity could increase 50-70%. But it can't, these aren't bullets.
      Given we can only add 20-40 FPS, 20% or so, Newton's 3rd law jumps in the way of speed and pounds....The tissues push back harder as poor broadhead design INCREASES the amount of pressure required, to the tune of:
      Velocity squared. NOT double. Squared.
      If the arrow was going twice as fast....somehow, the drag would quadruple.

  • @hunterlawrence7228
    @hunterlawrence7228 Год назад

    Mechanical advantage.

  • @nataliedeyton6829
    @nataliedeyton6829 Год назад

    If you are arguing with what RF is saying you have money involved in said product ….. I have never shot a flapper they just seem cheap and look like a gimmick…. I have always just shot a muzzy but what he’s saying makes so much sense to me … but I’m retarded also 😂

  • @richardbauer2045
    @richardbauer2045 Год назад +1

    Some of this is downright dumb. Everything Ashby says is pretty much moneyless and from where I sit correct and he is sitting next to our dear God. I thank God that I agree with Ashby (and God). Don’t make it up but go with the smartest Guy in the universe and his buddy. It’s much less work and will always give you the best God given results and besides, you won’t make any money anyways unless your a bowganster. Amen

  • @Alefran01
    @Alefran01 8 месяцев назад

    You should have stopped at have you ever seen a 90 degree dagger. Pointed 2 blades have been around for centuries worked work and will work. Marketing definitely works too 😂

  • @natehoward8148
    @natehoward8148 Год назад

    Angle of attack is absolutely related to the wheelchair ramp analogy. Simple machines people. Think back to your physical science class.

  • @josephtreadlightly5686
    @josephtreadlightly5686 Год назад

    It might take another 5 yrs but the anti- everything people might be able to 😅prove their point tha if the mechanical with the largest cutting diameter isn’t huge that bowhunting should be outlawed!

  • @MagnumArrowArchery
    @MagnumArrowArchery Год назад

    💪🏽🇺🇸🏹

  • @mattwr222
    @mattwr222 Год назад

    So are stairs like a serrated broadhead? Would you rather walk up stairs or a low grade ramp to reach a 10ft height? Jk

  • @jason_mc77
    @jason_mc77 Год назад

    An engineer, who designs and makes broadheads, that fails to correlate a simple and rudimentary explanation of geometry should probably find a new career path and hobby 🤷🏼‍♂️

    • @tolt1776
      @tolt1776 Год назад

      Cool avatar poser lol

    • @jason_mc77
      @jason_mc77 Год назад

      @@tolt1776 glad you like it

    • @tolt1776
      @tolt1776 Год назад

      @@jason_mc77 I see your degree is in douschbaggery?

  • @usmcfrommt9790
    @usmcfrommt9790 Год назад

    If anyone has a brain, I’m not sure why RF even had to make a video of it.

  • @jeffhays1968
    @jeffhays1968 Год назад

    Shuffle your feet brother.

  • @dougblaney-df1rd
    @dougblaney-df1rd 8 месяцев назад

    You people arguing about what this person uses and what someone else is shooting helps nobody. Quit the child's play (oh my dad can whoop your dad crap) just try to be educational. The sport doesn't need this.

  • @Lost_Hwasal
    @Lost_Hwasal Год назад

    I'm surprised a man who understands the importance of science attributes the design of a stingrays barb to "god".

  • @Luke-mp3lj
    @Luke-mp3lj Год назад

    You need to buy better knives 😂

  • @miltonreeths522
    @miltonreeths522 Год назад +1

    Not enough candy in your van for me to go for a ride. A pig killing fisherman who hasn't killed a deer in years is giving expert advice on the best way to kill deer. LOL LOL I also find it interesting that people think they know more about archery than a world class shooter like Dudley.

  • @50magz
    @50magz Год назад

    All these people taking advice from a man whos never killed any big game animals

    • @rickjames2618
      @rickjames2618 Год назад

      To whom do you refer??

    • @jcarry5214
      @jcarry5214 Год назад +1

      Who said troy hasn’t? I’ve seen that rumor on forums and it’s hilarious. He’s got videos of pigs going down on this channel that weigh more than most whitetails.

    • @50magz
      @50magz Год назад

      @@jcarry5214 he literally said he hasn't

    • @jcarry5214
      @jcarry5214 Год назад +2

      @@50magz you don’t consider whitetail or giant hogs big game? He’s said he doesn’t hunt much anymore but he’s killed lots of those in the past, that’s how he got into this, he lost deer and didn’t like it.