Atheist Asks TOUGH Questions: EPIC Response! (DEBATE)
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
- This video features a portion of the debate that Christopher Hitchens and John Lennox had several years ago around the question, "Is God Great?". I honestly think this was one of the all-time great debates about God in recorded history. Both gentlemen are highly intelligent and studied in their position... The truth will out!
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Don't forget for every person professing to be christian that has not behaved in the way we'd like, there are more that have been kind,generous, loving, life changing. We forget about that because we highlight the negative of the Christian faith.
The mistake is looking at Christians to find flaws instead of looking at Christ.
Don’t judge God by people
I would add that your actions are the only proof you can offer another person.
Most of us Christians behave in hypocritical mannerisms. I do it too, I fall short all the time. I try to catch myself and repent. My flesh deceives me a lot.
Your believe (religion or cult) will be tested when kni** in your head....
I love how these two respected the other's time at the podium. So rare in discussions today.
Unfortunately these civil discussions are not being had today. This was over a decade ago, Christopher passed in 2011
"Atheism is a disease of the soul, before it becomes an error of the understanding." Plato
It the US maybe
@@trollemctrollersen The romans called Paul and the other christians "atheists". Atheism was defined as non-belief in the Greek pantheon and atheism was a capital crime.
I love your style of commentary. You allow the video to play without too much or any interruption to give us viewers time to grasp the context and then you provide final comments afterwards to wrap it up cohesively. Thanks for your sharing and putting the time and effort to put these videos together. God bless brother!
I agree.... I love that we get to see most of each person's view.
Just would've like to have seen a more even display. Chris's speech maybe 5 mins John's over 10 .
Thank you for the video.
Nah fr
Seems lazy
"...without too much interruption."
"Hmmm..."
"Wow..."
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@@shaunparker2929 re >Chris's speech maybe 5 mins John's over 10 <
This disproportion indicates that Hitchens were able to express his thoughts efficiently while prof. Lennox had to cover his shortcomings with the prolonged waffle.
If a creator's creation came without free will and it was just the creators will, there would be no need for this conversation, and we'd be living in a perfect world.
Yeah why didnt God just create us like super computers and we do everything perfectly with no errors?
God is pretty shitty at his job if he gave us free will knowing it would fuck everything up.🤣
@Siimonseez It's not up to you or anyone to determine what is perfect and what is not. That's up to God.
@Insane3OB God's gift of free will allows us to choose to love or deny Him by our own accord. He loves you so much that He respects your choice to be so ignorant and disrespectful towards Him. It's all part of His perfect design, not an oversight. You should thank him for that, considering that WE are the ones who F everything up.
@dsreview129 then our capacity to love wouldn't be geniune and pure. Choosing to love Him freely is so much more beautiful and significant than just being designed to "love" and only "love" like brainless zombies or perfect robots like you said.
I came to Christianity after years of despising Christians. I grew up as a mostly secular Jew and went through a Bar Mitzvah. But, in response to Freudian psychology, I became an atheist. But the supernatural seemed undeniable, and I then entered the New Age. But then, I became a lay Buddhist for several years. I also entered into Hindu practices later on. I studied Islam but never felt the desire to believe in Allah. Finally, I went to college and received a BA and then an MA in Comparative Religion as I saw over my life the value of religion compared to materialism.
The summation of my search led me to Jesus via Christian apologetics. I studied and practiced each religion and worldview in good faith and did so again with Christ and Christianity. After getting many of my long list of questions sufficiently answered, I became a Christian aka baptism. I had to focus on Christ Himself, vs looking at Christianity. And it became clear: no vision or story or reality in this world comes close to the drama and majesty and power of Christ's death on the Cross for the sins of humanity (and they are so many) and His Resurrection that obviously occurred via the witness of his apostles and the transformation of them that took place afterward.
Wow! Thanks for sharing.
Can you elaborate more on what types of questions were on your long list that Christianity sufficiently answered but other religions did not? Did these answers come from what was said by other Christians or from what was written in the bible?
Other Christians ruined my view of Christ unfortunately.
Saying you can’t be Christian unless you go to church. Then they judge the fuck out of everyone. It’s tiring. If I follow Jesus I don’t want the label Christian. Ffs. Specifically my ex ruined this for me saying I wasn’t Christian enough 😩. How rude to say to someone who believed in the same God as u. They were a hypocrite & acted passive in everything. I think that says more about them than Christ so I can hopefully get back on track.
@@Calbizzle Oh wow! This is fairly common, though. Your view of Christ should not change based on someone else's actions. He didn't do that to you. I call this situation, "The Great Excuse," standing by ourselves on judgement day, looking for some christian to point to and say, "But, she..." Nope. Your relationship with Christ is 100 percent between you and Him. We could discuss the other points but get this one right and the rest will settle correctly. Respectfully,
@@Calbizzle Given all the different Christian churches and interpretations of the bible, how do you know if the God you understand and believe in really is the same as the God your ex understands and believes in? How do you know what is enough of a Christian?
I love how John Lennox is never angry or dogmatic in his responses. Almost always has a smile on his face. Thank you for this!
I'm sorry but Dr Lennox is being absolutely dogmatic in his answers. He states quite clearly he knows who created light for example! There's not a shred of scientific proof that that's the case and yet he say's it as if it's empirical fact! The only basis for Christianity is the Bible and that's a document that was written years after the supposed events. Science relies on facts and nothing more...
and mr Lennox has never demonstrated that his invisible friend is real.Until he can demonstrate that we are entitled to treat his claim as superstitious misogynistic bronze age nonsense
His smile reminds me of when my baby would shit herself, she would have that beatific little grin as she filled her diaper. Probably quite happy she has accomplished what to her is a much needed task ,without any idea of what a big pile of Sh!t it is. Just like dear old John. Now I am not in any way saying God does or does not exist. It is Jonn's defence of a Christian Religions Views about god that i strongly question & which I believe are no where near as valuable in any way than say ... my daughters full diaper, and are IMO as far from the truth as the edge of the Universe to my left is from the edge of the Universe to my right. That is the entire "God" Atheist problem he argues about & that is religious views. Man made up religious opinions, stories etc have nothing to do with God ! They really only have to do with control of population, they are a way for a few "leaders" to take control using a God myth, We Know The Answers & You Need Our Guidance. I have yet to see anyone arguing the greatness of God or God's. But there are any number of Persons who are experts on & will argue in defence of Christianity(all 4000+ sects) or Judaism, or Islam as well as those who know what Buddha wants, & the multi God religions of the near & far east . Yes huge amounts of Religion arguers, No actual God(s) champions arguing against all the religious views out there AND EVEN MORE IMPORTANT & NEVER SPOKEN IS....The Gods complete & utter silence on all of it .
It's all dogma perhaps you don't use the word.
John is not as intellect as Christopher, blatantly not the level, christian missed the main objective to such debate.... Every bias
I ran aground on some of the atheist literature back in the 80s as a high school student. All around me I saw only death. After about ten years of hopelessness and mortal dread I read Ezekiel 36:26 and asked God for help. I can still remember how much brighter everything looked to me after that. It's now 30 years later and, though I still catch a glimpse of that old darkness when I hear someone like Hitchens talk, I have grown in faith and knowledge very steadily over the years. Keep up the good work!
If believing in stories told by fearful uneducated superstitious misogynistic bronze age desert tribesmen in the most backward part of the middle east that have no basis in fact leads you to happiness then you should stay a believer.
@@clarkelaidlaw1678 You mean like Dawkins? Ok.
Ezekiel 36:26 NASB95
Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.
I used to live a Godless life. This lead me to darkness, destruction, suffering. My faith lights up my soul and makes everything better in life.
I don't believe in religion literally and I also believe in science but I believe in a higher being a lot. Spirituality is important. Also, atheism can feel religious aswell since there is no proof of that there is no God, it's just a faith. Hence atheists cannot say they are superior to religious people in this aspect, they are very similar.
@@Clarity_of_Light I'm sorry you felt like that, but you "feeling worse" has no bearing on the truth of something. In contrast, I abandoned my irrational belief in God when I was a teenager and really started being able to think critically. My life is richer and less miserable because of it -- but that in itself doesn't make me right. Your deduction about atheism being a "faith" also shows that you don't understand the atheistic proposition. An atheist is simply one who lacks a belief in god (a-theist). By definition, that is not faith. I understand that theists misrepresent atheism all the time, but someone who actively "believes" there isn't a god lands in a subcategory of atheism not described by atheism itself.
John didn't even answer Christopher's question about why, 98000 years there wasn't a "great religion"?
Exactly! He was reading his prepared speech, which didn't answer or even attempted to answer questions posed by Christopher. That wasn't a debate on Jon's part. It was a sermon.
@@sacredbulla2010 No such speculation happened, so why let ignorance fence in your argument?
@@JamesBrown-fd1nv Yes, John fenced himself in ignorance of logic and common sense.. Why? You asked him.
@@sacredbulla2010 Religion will save no one. So I do not practice religion. In 1977 I asked the Spirit of truth/God/Jesus Christ to reveal truth to me. I am a new creature because they quickened/regenerated my spirit (made it alive). Only by grace through faith (believing). I was not brought up in a religious home. Receiving the gift of God. The gift of eternal life - knowing him, has nothing to do with religion. It has everything to do with admitting one is a sinner (humility) and acknowledging one's need for forgiveness, grace and mercy. If a man says he has never done wrong/sinned he is a liar, and the truth is not in him. Read your bible and ask God/Jesus Christ/the Spirit of truth - Holy Spirit to reveal truth to you and quicken your spirit (make it alive).
No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing.
@@paulgemme6056 Of course, you are free to have your faith, even if a religion would have been involved. I'm for freedom, so I'm happy for you. My only quarrel is when a faith or a religion is forced upon me or anyone else. And I'm also against when under the cloak of faith or religion people are hurt, killed, imprisoned, and so on (the same applies to the semi-religion of the autocrats like Kim, Putin, Xi and many others.).
Preaching the gospel during a debate...beautifully done
The gospel written by man and plagiarized from the Persians and the Romans
Preaching the gospel, or anything else, is fallacious in a debate; it's not an argument-quite clearly.
@@mortyharenza9854recorded* by people. that's how history works.
@@burntgod7165hey there! I'm guessing you didn't watch. OP is rightly impressed with Mr. Lennox's skill in structuring his successful arguments in such a way that not only do they answer the strawman put forward, but also they lead naturally to the point of the whole debate in the first place: the greatness of God as most vividly expressed in his self-sacrifice on our behalf. Hope that helps, have a good one!
@@KalonOrdona2 Actually, prof. Lennox's starts with a straw-man argument. Hitchens pointed out existence of natural evil (not involving human actions / morality) and Lennox responded with argument about evil done in name of God (moral evil).
>the greatness of God as most vividly expressed in his self-sacrifice<
It is incorrect. Immortal God can't die. "Death" for a weekend is nothing for the eternal God. And this God is omnipotent hence, he can't be harmed by his own creation.
he says "what about torturing someone and killing them somewhere in the middle east" of course diminishing the cross as small and unimportant. The same cross that has shaped civilization for the past oh Idk *2,000* years. The cross that shapes our beliefs, culture, thoughts and has impacted the world globally. For something he wants to mock as inconsequential, it sure is pervasive enough that he can't help but argue against it 2000 years later
He was actually talking about the horrors done by the followers of Mohammed, Mohammed was a mass murdering delusional sexual addict false prophet, whose God was not/is not the God of Abraham/Bible.
You do understand that that is a fallacy, right? The benefit of a belief does not equal that said belief is true...
@@courageousmelon5654first of all, your grammar and sentence structure is atrocious. But after deciphering what it was you were actually attempting to say, I realized that your reading comprehension isn't any better than your writing ability. That's not at all what the original commenter was saying. Plus, regardless of what you believe, it is an objective fact that a man named Yeshua (aka Jesus Christ) lived and was crucified. Now whether you believe that man was the son of God or not, that's a conversation we can have. But to dismiss it as though it never happened or that it's a fairy tale is simply ignorant and intellectually dishonest. And again, regardless of whether or not He was who He claimed to be, his life and ultimately his death has impacted our lives and culture exactly the way the he said it did.
Not to mention the fact, he's done so for most of his life and became famous for doing so.
But who really loves fame so much they'd live in hopeless misery their entire lives in order to have reason to be so?
Poor guy.😢
@@markwildt5728leave the cringe nitpicking to the children lmfao
I always enjoyed listening to Christopher Hitchens debate. He brought the tough questions, yet I don't ever recall him launching into personal attacks. Although I never met him, I was sad when he died.
Oh that is very sad that he died--especially if he did so without changing his mind.
According to atheist religion, What is wrong abot genocide?
Should we ask stalin?
He now has the answers.
If God would allow him to return
O what stories he could tell
@@rroadmap That's the big cheese isn't it. Hell is waiting for those who don't repent?
The fact that Some parts of Hitchens is skipped is too sad.
*Manipulated to fit the agenda. Fixed it for you.
Of course it is. This channel purposely did that to make their side look better instead of Hitchens destroying this doughy faced dumbass like he did in the debate.
Dont worry, you're not skipping anything worth hearing
Because it doesn't help the bias and narrative this idiot is pushing.
Suits a narrative doesn't it?
The first argument usually falls on deaf ears because a large number of American Christians have a strange side belief that the world isn’t old.
I used to think it was strange too until I looked at the evidence
@@TheChadPad The evidence you are looking at is in fact not evidence for anything. In fact it may even be propaganda these days, but aside from that your worldview must make sense in your head, so any article about a rock will make you do that easily. Especially on the internet. This includes me sounding like a blind brainwashed idiot to you when I am not. Much love my friend.
@@josh__mclendon well I promise, I don’t look at you as a blind brainwashed idiot any more than any of us have been brain washed and are idiots. There is certainly propaganda among the evidence proposed for this question, in both sides. The evidence that I’ve looked at raises huge questions about an old earth, and indeed an old universe, that represents gaping holes in its explanatory power and contradictions that simply cannot be so. For instance, the presence of soft tissues found in every level of the fossil record. Soft tissue cannot survive millions of years even under ideal conditions. There is a lot of food for thought, and this hardly scratches the surface. God bless
@@josh__mclendon well I promise, I don’t look at you as a blind brainwashed idiot any more than any of us have been brain washed and are idiots. There is certainly propaganda among the evidence proposed for this question, in both sides. The evidence that I’ve looked at raises huge questions about an old earth, and indeed an old universe, that represents gaping holes in its explanatory power and contradictions that simply cannot be so. For instance, the presence of soft tissues found in every level of the fossil record. Soft tissue cannot survive millions of years even under ideal conditions. There is a lot of food for thought, and this hardly scratches the surface. God bless
@@josh__mclendon well, I don’t look at you as a blind brainwashed idiot any more than any of us have been brain washed and are idiots. There is certainly propaganda on both sides. The evidence that I’ve looked at raises huge questions about an old earth, and indeed an old universe, that represents gaping holes in its explanatory power and contradictions that simply cannot be so. For instance, the presence of soft tissues found in every level of the fossil record. Soft tissue cannot survive millions of years even under ideal conditions. There is a lot of food for thought, and this hardly scratches the surface. God bless
"Atheism is a very strange thing ...even the demons never fall into that vice" - CH Spurgeon
how do you know
Have you been to the demons and asked them?
Rather than an ignorant brainwashed by religion, who claims that there are gods and archangels who kill dragons just like in children's stories, better an atheist who sees what real life is like
I used to watch all these guys when I was younger bro and got converted to atheism! God graciously brought me back with a powerful encounter of the Holy Ghost after 7 long years ! I know Hitchens Harris all those atheist guys , and am very familiar with these debates. That wrestle with human suffering was a hard one for me but he had mercy on it to come back and get me out of darkness ! Sin is the reason this world is ugly and jacked ! But he is going to restore all and a Christ came to redeem us from what we’ve done and from what others may have done to us! Good stuff . Good channel bro ✊🏽Christ is the truth Godbless 🙏🏽
And who and who is going to hell if I may ask ?
Jesus has visited this earth a second time.
Why would you leave God for of all things - atheism?? It’s soooooo hateful and depressing - daddy issues many of athiestic followers
No proof my guy. Sorry. Christ is the truth sounds sad to me. Not trying to be mean, but these are all stories. People lie and fabricate and make stuff up all the time. Literally all the time. Crazy that people take religion seriously when I could convincingly tell people I am the messiah, some people start believeing me, then more, then more and more. Then the story and whole thing gets carried away because of how many people are involved then so much misinformation gets spewed and embellishments. Then thousands of years pass on top of all that. Idk. Just not a realistic thing to believe. I would 100% if there was any actual proof tho. I would believe 100%
It would be interesting to have Hitchin's response.
This guy is too dishonest to show it
Agreed @@morgenmuffel5747
I'd have liked to hear his response also...but I knew they wouldn't play it. I guess Hitchens made a living from it but trying to argue against religion is frustratingly futile.Seems to me it would be more fun to worship the books of Harry Potter or Lord of the rings. Maybe in a few thousand years they can be the basis for a new religion😅
@@stepehenbales1248 Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings were written by Christians.
They have Christian themes.
You just mocked Christianity by suggesting we follow the moral guidance of books inspired by Christian morality.
My wife & I have had the pleasure of meeting Dr Lennox speak on an Alaskan cruise. His intellect is obvious, but what may not be is his humor & storytelling!
Of course it's just story telling 🌈
Mr Lennox can ramble on for hours about his imaginary friend but until there is evidence that his invisible friend is real we rational folk are entitled to treat his claim as superstitious misogynistic bronze age desert nonsense that came from fearful uneducated superstitious misogynistic bronze age desert tribesmen in the most backward part of the middle east that have no basis in fact whatsoever.
Super amazing!
@@larryc1616hey bud, you know we can see all of your previous comments right? Your hate for God is so apparent, and it comes from you refusing to accept Him because you know it would ruin life as you know it. You serve the evil one, believing in it or not.
All I can say is that since age 12, when I started drinking, I was never able to stay sober. Not until I became a Christian and fervently prayed to God to help me stop was I able to.
You can say it's just some kind of placebo effect but to me it's a miracle.
For almost 20 years I felt I just couldn't get through life without drinking, yet here I am, 100% clean.
God is real. He saved my life.
Mystery’s are not necessarily miracles’ - Goethe
@@kiowhatta1 When a plausible explanation it offered, it's not just a mystery anymore.
We know that your perception of God is real. That might be useful for some but this is not evidence for anything concrete.
Good that you weaned yourself off booze, but you did that, not some fictional being.
@@MisterEvvvSymphoenix (unless I am completely misinterpreting your comment - if I am, my apologies) That doesn't mean an answer was offered - it is still a mystery if you're just taking guesses. You cannot say it's a plausible explanation if there is nothing to give any credence to it being plausible. Why throw around words if your definitions contradict with what they actually mean? It's just a guess, and a fantastical one at that. "I don't know what something is - so it's PROBABLY this". That is absolutely foolish.
Problem is, they’re both talking about to COMPLETELY different things. The Atheist is talking about Religion, while the other gentleman is talking about the existence of a God
Exactly. Pretty rare that Christian apologists actually try to defend the nonsense in the Bible.
Watch it again. Hitchens' point is just that the so called intelligent design isn't intelligent at all.
What he did not do is baselessly assert or even worse, misrepresent as Lennox did. Couldn't bear to watch the whole thing, but as a scientist, he should know Newton didn't "discover" the laws of gravity. No one says science created anything, except as a Strawman argument.
But mainly, the old chestnut of "atheists are evil, look at 20th century dictators". Hitler was a Catholic. National Socialist Germany was a religious state.
For Lennox to deny this to please an audience is unacceptable.
Shame I say!
Most religions are centered around the existence of a god so same thing.
@@pauls7803Like that we are all created in God's image?
You do realize that the western concept of human rights comes ftom that?
No other civilization ever outlawed slavery and even segregation for that reason.
You doubt that, check the Cairo Declaration of Human Rights...
@@el_killorcure Depends what you mean by in 'God's image' . Slavery is condoned in the Old Testament and the God figure commits many attrocities. The so called peaceful Jesus condemns folk to eternal suffering.
This 'God's image' probably explains why a notion of human rights barely existed when Europe was religious and why we have extensive rights in this post religious era.
I stumbled across your channel a few weeks ago and I thank you for creating it. I lost my husband of nearly 20 years whom I met at 23 and he was my best friend. I’m still struggling with it every day and Oct 29th will be a year. I’m still in the dark but trying to come out. I am a believer and your videos help. 🙏
Hey dear, May your wounds heal.
May your pain dissolve into magical joy and may the Love you have for your husband return to you pressed over, running over and overflowing to the shores of your heart. I love you. I loved you then, and I love you now. Your husband is not gone, He lives in You.
This is essentially the “if God is so good, why does evil exist?” Argument. You don’t have to even read the the bible to know this, just the first few chapters.
Pretty much,its amateur stuff kinda ridiculous its considered" genius brilliant epic"
Einstein answered this question.
Facts 😂 just read a lil bit
@@danielhicks4826 I gotta better question that could serve as "ammunition" for atheists.
But even then, it would require atheists to abandon the notion of atheism since atheism is pointless to begin with and has no visceral power.
But anyways, what an atheist could say is, "Was the serpent really evil? Perhaps the serpent is good. He helped open the eyes of Adam and Eve so that they may know good and evil."
Then again, it serves as a moot question because then one would have to question the "power" and "greatness" of the Ancient Serpent to begin with.
Why'd he have to sneak in and disguise himself if he was so powerful and worthy to be venerated as the hero who opens eyes?
A mighty and true hero wouldn't do that.
thats easy: bible showns that the god of Abraham is a violent, narsissistic maniac...
Dr. John Lennox, a mathematician and Dr. Hugh ross an astrophysicist, are some of my favorites because they understand that God's creation and science are complementary, not mutually exclusive. In fact, the more is discovered, the more we can see the Lord's handiwork! As a nutritional biochemistry researcher and future physician, the more I look into how it all works, the more I appreciate the genius of God! One of the ways- God's natural plant foods heal us and contain thousands of medicinal phytonutrients/antioxidants!
So basically you're saying: something complex that works = god?
@@capslock956Yeah, it is (at least what i understood from what the guy was saying). Have you ever looked at a clock and thought "yep, that came completely out of lucky"? It is already proven that if the constants of the universe where slightiest different we wouldn't be here. A expansion of the universe a little faster, a little slower, or a the distance from the sun a little bit different and etc. Why is that? By luck? I won't take that possibility out as irracional, but believing that there are a powerful being behind it all isn't stupid as well
@capslock956 Because its by design & not chaotic is enough evidence of a Creator YES! an explosion in a library never created an Oxford dictionary but evolution says that something exactly like this has happened! Well I don't have that kind of blind faith.
@@capslock956 No,, complex and specified.
Here's a definition of specified complexity. What's the empirical evidence showing that a material process can generate specified complexity?
"Specified complexity, the property of an object being both unlikely and structurally organized, has been proposed as a signifier of design. Objects exhibiting specified complexity must be both complex (e.g., unlikely under the relevant probability distribution) and specified (e.g., conform to an independent or detached specification)."
--- George D. Montanez
Department of Computer Science, Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA
Natural plants heal us because they contain the same chemicals that are body uses to grow and develop. In the same way that the plan uses are rotting flesh when we are dead in the ground. How does that proof that it was God that did it as opposed to say funguses and viruses did it.
Thank you for not talking and commenting through the clip. I appreciate your input at the end and due to your restraint during the clip, I actually listened to your views on it.
God bless you for sharing this truth.
Thank you so much for sharing this. God bless everyone.
It's so sad that mind as great as Hitchens can't accept the truth about the life. The problem is not in his mind but in his heart. Hitchen often uses very emotional arguments and it seems that he's in pain.
May he rest in peace ❤
Unfortunately he is in Hell. Unless he secretly confessed Jesus as his savior in his heart. But I would doubt that.
it hurts to say but I think there is cause for reasonable doubt whether he is resting in peace - however one never knows what has been in ones heart. And God searches the hearts.
people always say Hitchens was sooo brilliant- really? take away his English accent and listen to what he says, he is just bitter and angry. I hope he found Jesus before he took his last breath
@@ChopinIsMyBestFriend We can only pray that he did :)
@@bryant475 Surely. No one can know a man in his heart of hearts.
John makes his argument in the most profound yet simplistic way.
Calm, direct and brilliant.❤
Why wasn’t Hitchens response included? That’s not a debate but a statement. My belief is real and strong, would have liked to heard a debate.
Exactly and it's almost always the christian god.
The reason there is no response is because no response is adequate to repudiate his argument.
Oh and by the way, most of what Hitchens argued in the first four minutes of is speculation. All of his time frames are based on carbon 14 dating which is only accurate to 50,000 years.
Some of even question the entire premise of its accuracy at all.
Dumb viewer, both debaters we're shown
Because this man wanted to focus on a segment, then provide a short commentary. He knows if the viewer is curious, we can do what he did and look up the entire debate for ourselves.
“God is all powerful, but we’ll blame the bad stuff on someone else”
"We don't believe in good or evil; that stuff is entirely made up, just like God's existence"
@@MrEschaton91 Then why do you guys have a problem with Christians believing something incorrect if it's neither 'right' nor 'wrong' to do so? You could argue about benefits, or how it affects you, but if you're right about there being no right or wrong, then there's nothing wrong with any belief whatsoever.
Oh, and there are unspeakably horrible things we can do to each other if we truly internalise that, so even if there were no, no right or wrong, ironically it would be better to make people think that there is a right and wrong. Just so that you understand me clearly, I'm not saying lying is right. I'm saying that if there were no such thing as right or wrong, it would be strategically beneficial to lie and make people think that there is, which is kind of ironic.
@@MisterEvvvSymphoenixYou say this but your priests are out there raping children all while camouflaging themselves as holy men who preach and stand for good. When we tear such barriers down, we'd see people's true nature without the facade of a social pedestal.
You can't be angry at God and not believe in Him at the same time
So if someone comes round your house and punches you in the face, that’s Gods fault ?
"How it works" vs "why it exists." Great distinction!
@jessicaj9743you are in a cult.
'The word God is for me nothing but the expression and product of human weakness'
A.Einstein; God Letter
And I see it religions of the world is just the early form of politics to control the masses🤔
This is just so beautiful. Thank you so much for this.
Just discovered your channel today and I'm a fan. Love that people like you are taking their passion and love for God and articulating it in such a relatable, truthful, yet loving way.
You know them by their works, so what does it tell you about those advocating prayer? Nothing fails like prayer in a children's hospital.
Who advocates faith, when it is worthless if you can't move mountains using faith & verbal commands to landscape?
What kind of person speaks of god as if we did not have a saying: God helps those helping themselves, because gods have a perfect record of doing nothing, outside of fiction.
No wonder Feud wrote the antidote to Christianity is literacy.
@@Stupidityindex “Nothing fails like prayer in a children's hospital.”
Where is your proof that a prayer wasn’t heard?
The mountain you move with faith is within you it’s not an actual mountain on earth.
“God helps those helping themselves, because gods have a perfect record of doing nothing,”
Please provide proof to backup your claim that god has a perfect record of doing nothing.
I'm atheist
@@Gta4isgarbage Your religious beliefs is irrelevant to your original statement.
@@Stupidityindex According to atheist religion, What is wrong about pdfilia?
Should we ask Drag queen story hour?
Loved this. VERY VERY powerful words! Good debate.
The debate is around 2hrs long you should watch the full length version and give a statement, and not nit-pick an argument 1hr into the debate that fits your "words of wisdom" youtube channel. Funny that you think wisdom and christianity fits together.
"Morality is innate to us. It would be nice if religion could catch up for a change." Christopher Hitchens closing line in that debate, sums it kinda up for you.
Nice moustache.
God wants a relationship with you, He is not just merely a religion. I do understand how hard that is to see when you can’t see Him with natural eyes, but we can’t see gravity and accept that is real. The lie of religion was created by man, but faith is by Him who created us. My friend people will let you down, God never will. To understand this wholeheartedly is to seek Him. I implore you to study His words and test the scriptures. God bless!
@@cornbreadsfishing1036 who told you we accept gravity as real? we simply observe the phenomenon and think "oh it might be because of "A" but let's keep an open mind in case we are wrong", all words till scriptures and faith is man made and innate in us, it doesn't mean we have any idea of what God would be like in this infinite universe, it even says in the bible my guy
The question still remains.
As Hitchens described, operating from humankind being 100,000 years old, God finally said "enough!" after 98,000 years of unspeakable horrors against humankind.
How can one reasonably expect others to put full faith in God with this understanding?
Religious zealots might as well be honest and tell others that they need to rid themselves of all logic/reason, common sense, and morality, and just blindly follow the tenets of that particular religion.
Lennox makes some very good points, but makes the same error most religious zealots make, which is that accepting that the Universe, and all therein, is a result of an intelligent source, is not the same as accepting a dogmatic god that gets tired and has to rest after 6 days of creating. Denying that this is a literal absurdity is borderline insane.
What is a human year to the eternal Lord?
Does God exist by a watch and calendar?
100,000 human years may be a brief moment to God , as is 100, 000 years is a spec of time compared to the age of Earth.
Amazing response to these questions and love the passion this RUclipsr has for the heart of Christ. Amen.
Are they really that amazing? Hitchens pointed out the natural evil while Lennox's response was about moral evil. Hitchens did not say anything about evil done in name of God... It makes Lennox's replay to be a straw-man. BTW. there were lots of evil done by atheists but pretty much none "in name of Atheism".
@@tjblues01 Natural evil doesn't exist, only moral evil. Maybe you meant 'suffering': but according to an atheist point of view, suffering and life itself are only a temporary inconvenient.
@@tjblues01 All evil done by atheists is in the name of atheism, you don't need an official claim to prove it. While evil done in the name of God (at least in the name of the Christian God) is impossible.
@@tjblues01 Stalin's (or Mao's or Pol Pot's etc.) terror was indeed made "in name of Atheism" although he never declared it. He couldn't declare of course, because atheism is not a person but an idea or a religion of its own kind. Atheism gives you the 100% moral freedom to commit limitless atrocities because there is no objective moral standard, no afterlife where you'll stand in front of a Judge to answer for your deeds. In atheism there is no good or bad on moral level. Anything is permissible as long as you won't get caught or if you are in a high enough position in the society. You consider yourself as your only god but that god unfortunately is always the Devil.
What good does Hitchen's worldview bring to the mankind? He brings no hope, no objective moral standard, not even scientific proof for God's non-existence. He works hard to make God as the image of man while the Bible tells it is the other way round. Man was created as the image of God but we rejected that image and started being self sufficient arrogant fools. That was the "gift" Charles Darwin's followers have given us. Their godless world is based on Darwin's views, but we should remember that Darwin's original theory was not 100% atheist.
@@djo-dji6018 >Natural evil doesn't exist<
BS. Natural disasters, terminal diseases, parasites, earthquakes, wild fires, tsunamis, floods... all killing innocent people (including children) by millions exist! And by your book, all is done by God or it's allowed by God to happen. He designed this world that way to make people and sentient animals to suffer.
>but according to an atheist point of view, suffering and life itself are only a temporary inconvenient.<
Another BS. Maybe you should ask atheists what is their stance first, instead of using of a straw-man argument. Temporary? This life is what we only have. A temporary inconvenience is to have a diarrhea for 3 days but NOT to lose a child FOREVER due to cancer.
>All evil done by atheists is in the name of atheism<
Name them. Give me examples.
>While evil done in the name of God (at least in the name of the Christian God) is impossible.<
LOL. Crusades, inquisition, witch-hunt, killing people for blasphemy and even slavery was excused in name of God.
Obviously this was a televised/recorded debate and that was the introduction. Please make available if you haven't already the arguments for and against as this debate continued..
Thank you for posting.
So utterly fantastic that despite his loss we can still listen in awe at his wit & intellectual oratory.
Please watch and share with others my four brief videos in which I present examples of scientific facts contained in the Bible; facts that the writers thousands of years ago could not have been aware of without divine knowledge given to them by God. Thank you!
Yes Hitchens is very much missed
@@TheAmericanDane I wish he had become a Christian before he died. Now he's lost and God has stated in His word that He wants no one to be lost. However, God has given us free will to make our own choices. Hitchens unfortunately did not choose wisely.
Take care.
@@thetruthaboutscienceandgod6921 what utter BS !
@@ittaiklein8541 Hey, Ittai: You are not correct. God loves you more than any human being ever has or ever will.
The Bible states that Jesus Christ stands at the door of your heart and knocks. But Jesus isn't going to break down your door. He's given you free will. It's your decision whether to invite Him in.
I pray that you will do that. Take care.
Thanks for doing this! Love seeing these terrific clips you unearth. Great work you’re doing.
He's a content stealing loser with literally nothing interesting to say.
Hitchins described perfectly the world that’s separated itself from God
God created this world, this earth, gave us this life - Life is a Gift from God
Running away from REAL life and hoping to hide in a fantasy shamelessly sponging off God for eternity wont work
@ramaraksha01 which God? there have been 7,000 plus gods that have been proposed by humans over time in hundreds of different languages and in hundreds of different countries.there is not and never has been the slightest evidence that any of them are real.i am sorry that people whom you trusted fed you this ridiculous bronze age nonsense
@@clarkelaidlaw1678 The One that passed judgement on Sodom and gommorah and sent millions of sulphur balls raining down to earth. The sulphur balls are STILL THERE to this very day under the ashes and in the Dead Sea. That GOD, The ALMIGHTY
The first guy makes a fantastic case for the redemption and enlightenment of Christ, for 98,000 years (or however long) humanity stumbled through a broken and pain filled world and clawed out a basic existence. After 2,000 years of knowing God we've spread rationality, peace and freedom across the most of the globe; we've settled vast areas on every continent and have abundant resources; we've created complex technology that connects humanity; and we've even come to understand the universe to the level that we can travel to other planets.
Well I agree with you minus the 98,000 years part. That's pure conjecture based on problematic dating.
You must live in an alternative universe if you believe 'After 2,000 years of knowing God we've spread rationality, peace and freedom across most most of the globe....'
The broken world, stumbling,and pain is gone now huh..? Thanks for the info. I'd never have known otherwise.
I'm certainly on the side of Lennox in this debate, but I don't think your observation here really rebuts Hitchens' position. Hitchens asked how a loving God could allow humanity to struggle for so many millenia before entering the world to enlighten it. I'm a Christian but I think the question is a fair one, and unfortunately the segments shown here do not answer that question.
First I would argue that Hitchens' question misses the real point of God entering the physical world in the person of Jesus Christ. That point was not to educate about the material world or to end physical suffering; it was to redeem. It was to make clear Who God is and who man is; to make clear that the only life for man is relationship with God; to make clear that man's nature prevents that relationship; and to provide the means for that relationship. I certainly take your point that material and social progress have followed in the wake of Christianity but even had they not, man would still be redeemed by Christ's atoning death and victorious resurrection. After all the Christian believers who lived before The Enlightenment were just as redeemed as we are today although they did not enjoy the advances you catalog.
More directly, Hitchens' argument is rebutted by recognizing that the number of years or the number of generations is not relevant; the number of people is relevant. Estimating the proportion of the total number of people who have ever lived in each millenium is very imprecise, but it's not hard to find estimates that about 95% of all the people who have ever lived have been since Christ. So Hitchens' argument that God coldly watched people struggle for 98,000 years and only helped people for 2,000 years is a pretty significant misrepresentation of the opportunity mankind has had to benefit from the knowledge of Christ's physical presence on earth.
Yea Hitchens is arguing why so much absurd amounts of suffering prior to our modernity. Saying that it is good now doesn’t quite outweigh all the pain and misery these people went through for 100,000 years. Very out of touch to the significance of the point. Dismissive actually - but it takes lack of imagination, dishonesty, and a selfish heart not to take Hitchens argument head on. Reflect on it more would be my first bit of advice to you.
Lenox does not make a strong argument, unless you are a believer.
I think he does
I think you're just a bit slow (:
He makes a powerful argument does Lennox
My litmus test for who I will allow myself to continue to listen to these days is this: that a person will acknowledge the validity of points that don’t readily or immediately support their own narrative, beliefs, or ideology. If someone can do that, I am more apt to believe they are earnestly seeking at the truth. It is a seemingly rarer and rarer trait these days.
I have been an athiest for 5 yrs since i visit a cancer patient ward.
I wonder where is the sky dad watching innocent people pains, sufferings, 🙏
Just wait before some one says " its the plan of god" . hope you are ok
You’re assuming God thinks the same way you do. That what matters to you matters to God or must matter to God. Your pride has made you blind…not cancer.
“Bad things happen” is not an argument against God.
@@Cautionable_Offense then why praise something that doesn't care about us?
@Cautionable_Offense an all-knowing and all living God that would allow terrible things to happen to good people, is not worthy of worship.
@@Cautionable_Offense it's very convenient to explain suffering away as 'god works in mysterious ways' or 'we don't know how his mind works' etc etc. the fact that he always it to happen at all, is sufficient evidence that god does not exist.
One thing I could never understand is why does God refuse to show his face to us? Why is He so hell-bent on wanting us to believe in Him through faith? It seems so silly.
would it make a difference ?
Jesus showed himself to everyone and they all rejected Him. It is written that if they reject Jesus, they reject God. Jesus has the same character whether He was in His glorified form or in His fleshly form. Rejecting who He is in His fleshly form means that you would reject Him in His glorified form.
Think about if he were to show his face to the world in an undeniable fashion. Do you think that would make civilization better or worse? I’d argue it would just cause everyone to act in a panicked frenzy. That’s why God mostly obscures himself and only reveals himself in subtle ways to us individually so it’s just enough to keep people living a faithful life.
God knows that no one can tolerate the mighty light of his face in this world and gave the signs and minds that lead you to truth and faith is the only way to God.
But you must follow the evidence that proves you the right religion.
It would take away your free will
How do Christians square the circle on the "Asian Question"? Most have man beings today and throughout history are/were Asian as never heard of the Jesus story? Why would the Creator of the universe and the Earth and humanity design a religion, a "salvation" for humanity that excludes most human beings?
The very idea that Christ died just for us to have a chance is mind blowing!!! His sacrifice literally gives us the blessing and gift of choosing to follow Him!!!
What exactly did he "sacrifice"? He could do it basically every weekend.
Christ is a scapegoat
I hust duscovered your channel and have binged several of your videos. I pray that God blesses your ministry, dear brother. ♥️🙏
I'm very glad your channel still exists.
Ditto
Atheist spoke for 3:30
Christian spoke 10:30
YTer agreeing with Christian spoke another 4:00
That’s not a fair debate. That’s editing to confirm your bias, which is ironic.
Thank you brother for composing this video; as well as being an intermediary for us who have missed the mark with or testimony. I will definitely be sending this to several friends who would be blessed with your perspective. God bless you.
It was a great response, but I'd have liked to hear him touch on what Hitchens actually said.
Debates begin with a general address to the audience, emphasizing the thesis that will be defended during the debate. During the introductory speech, it is not necessary to pay attention to the opening speech of the opponent, because if that were the case, the one who spoke first would have an unfair advantage. This video does not show the entire debate, but only the opening statements. In the later course of the debate, there is a real conflict of opinion and a direct response to the arguments of the opponent. I hope that the flow and rules of debating are a little clearer to you now.
If you want to know why sufferings are allowed on earth, well, the bible itself mentioned that there will be a lot of sufferings on earth. So the atheists can't really use the argument why there are sufferings on earth if God is real. Have you heard of the great tribulations? A lot more sufferings are coming to us. We are supposed to overcome sufferings and still have good relationship with God. If suffering comes and you start cursing God, then you failed the test.
The sufferings and death will disappear once we are in heaven or after the final judgment. Those who are deemed righteous and holy will be saved and will have eternal life free from sufferings. The wicked ones will die a second death (the first death is the physical death) and their souls burned in the lake of fire.
he does in many videos on YT
@@wavemaker2077why would a loving god do that? Sounds like desperate justification, doesn't it? And what of the fossil record? Was proof of evolution carefully placed everywhere as a test?
@@Borntuwe are well passed that debate. Many Christian’s believe in an old world. Christian viewpoint has hope for an unjust death, atheism does not.
Disregard the arguments themselves and focus on the motivation. One is concerned for the listeners' eternal destination, while the other spitefully tries to dismantle that very thing.
Heaven sounds nice. Hell sounds immoral. I fight against the idea that sending people to eternal torture is moral. It's not out of spite but out of morality and what I see as truth.
@@Dock284 It's not eternal torture. They will be tormented, not tortured. Torment, meaning suffering by being apart from God. Hell is not literal fire, nor do the people in Hell suffer physical torture. They will never be satisfied being without God. They will be empty and without hope forever.
by your logic, we should only ever listen to those who claim to care for our best interests. Ask every communist country how that goes.
Christopher is not spitefully trying to dismantle religious beliefs. He thinks that they are wrong and, a lot of times, immoral. If you think others are living in sin, wouldn't you try to preach the gospel to them? Well, he is doing the same thing basically. He just doesn't believe in your particular God. Even when I was a christian I didn't think that people that disagreed with me and spoke it to an audience were being spiteful or something like that. That is not helpful to any conversation
@@filipe.sm31Please come back to Christ.. He loves you!
Imagine a world with no religion and no racism, just a world with people who treat each other as that
There's a John Lennon song I think you'd like
The Bible teaches we all come from Adam.And religion is Mankinds attempt to be accepted by God thru our effort.That is totally contrary to the Bible.Thats why we need Jesus.Mankind is selfish that's the default setting.
Putting religion and racism in the same boat is wrong. Christianity specifically says love thy neighbor meaning any race sex or gender. But not only those groups. Racists and sexists are loved by God as well. The same amount as any of the 12 Disciples. Your love stops at where you think your morally better than everyone around you where as Jesus loves everyone even though we all sin.
@@sombrerofatcatDid you know there is a sin which god does not excuse? Blasphemy. I have certainly blasphemed, therefore i will not go to heaven, ever.
@lovinit45454 no you can still repent but if you continue there will be a point of no return that point happens when someone goes to hell for your blasphemy that is the ultimate sin by sending someone else to hell knowing that Jesus really does exist
This wasnt a respomse to what Hitchens said here. Its their opening arguments. And lennox is mostly arguing about things from Hitchens book that he isnt explaining well enough to be clear. Hitch on the other hand is just speaking in general terms as he went first. But Lennox is hardly responding to what hitch said here.
I think you’re exactly right, but unfortunately you’re a voice in the wilderness as far as this channel is concerned. The jury made their decision a long time ago.
@mick947 its also funny how he shamelessly shows only 3 minutes of Hitch and 9 minutes of Lennox as if they were given different amounts of time in the debate.
Worst point made by Lennox "But how can you do Science without faith that the universe is intelligible?".
We dont need faith that the universe is consistent enough day to day that we can record an object accelerating to the earth and the next day it accelerates at the same speed. We do not need faith that this is the case, because if ever you "lose faith" we can just re-run the experiment!!! Thats the beauty of science.
With that logic we must constantly Test everything over and over and over because who knows whether it's consistent 100% of the@@JoeFromSomewhere2303
And what if it changes what if it's one thing one second and something else the next second? Can we not trust our mind or the test itself?
@Thebigdogg123 the laws of nature don't change from one second to the next tho. Again you can just rerun the experiment from the day before if you're unsure, but that's one of the most provable daily assumptions.
Still waiting for him to respond to what was actually said
His speech was great but I find it very frustrating when they refuse to actually listen to each other's questions and points... Still the questions and atheist's points were pretty weak, like He waited for millions of years to create us and send Jesus... ok so? That's not really a reason not to believe right? There's also tons of things on Earth and the Universe other than humans. On the other hand, long speech guy mentioned how the world being intelligible could only mean a designer, but that statement is really about the human mind and how it's come to understand the inner workings of a reality that's already there. Anyway, I'd appreciate an actual debate with real communication between the parties, if anyone points some channel out I'd appreciate that even more :D
He said something about science not being able to define energy, so he does not have all the answers. Religion will not give evidence. But my personal opinion is that we do not know how God Spoke with the People before the bible.
I'll share this reply from @ljuboizsiska5448 since they put it well:
"Debates begin with a general address to the audience, emphasizing the thesis that will be defended during the debate. During the introductory speech, it is not necessary to pay attention to the opening speech of the opponent, because if that were the case, the one who spoke first would have an unfair advantage. This video does not show the entire debate, but only the opening statements. In the later course of the debate, there is a real conflict of opinion and a direct response to the arguments of the opponent. I hope that the flow and rules of debating are a little clearer to you now."
@@sombrio4862 I had to laugh at the "argument" of doubting gods existence because it took so long for his creations to believe in him. There are two options: either he cares if beings believe in him, or he doesn't. If he doesn't: well so what? If he does: how can we even pretend to know what timescale god is operating in (if he isn't beyond space and time altogether)? What if 10 million years feel like a lazy sunday afternoon to god? Assuming that what we as humans would consider a long time must therefore be the same for god is beyond ignorant. And even IF it were so, what point would it prove? This is hardly a debate, it's a comedy show, and I say that as an agnostic who is open to the possibility of there really being no god, however unlikely that may be.
That’s the problem. You didn’t hear nor listen to what was said.
I find being an atheist fell into place as soon as I accepted that there doesn't have to be a reason.
So life has no reason?
That's not very scientific.
@@worldofwrestling6186reason is what you make it
@worldofwrestling6186 it truly doesnt ! ur just a human n thats totally okay ppl r so scared of what the unknown is which is why they so desperately cling onto religion bc they think itll save them from all these unanswered questions
Recently discovered this channel. Fantastic content you have put together. Thank you for the brilliant work you are doing and God bless!
Welcome aboard!!
God bless??? Really...
Not sure how their can be a debate when the theist has not one shred of evidence to present to support his claim ..And the athiest merely has to say..prove that your god claim is real and I will believe it too
True. Theist doesn't have to prove the existence of God, but the atheist has to prove non-existence or all the bets are off. @@clarkelaidlaw1678
@@clarkelaidlaw1678 wake up pleb.
Did Hitchens aim to rid the world of faith? I recall that he actually said “ believe what you want, but leave me and my children out of it”.
No, he just rationalised what religion was and what it was doing to societies.
@@MittensUK He wrongfully rationalized.
I disagree with you entirely @@vi683a
No, he is very correct and you have wrongfully invested yourself in a god myth that has no truth and only echos of stories of mortal man.@@vi683a
@@vi683a aka raised the standard of living across the planet, supplanted the rule of power and fame, with love and mercy, and made the lowest outcast a leading member of his congregation.
Anyone who denies God is love still has their own God, just one that isn't love.
See the following: (people have time to criticize Christianity because it has already done all the hard work)
Protestantism also has had an important influence on science. According to the Merton Thesis, there was a positive correlation between the rise of English Puritanism and German Pietism on the one hand, and early experimental science on the other.[72][73][74]
The cultural influence of Christianity includes social welfare,[75] founding hospitals,[76] economics (as the Protestant work ethic),[77][78] natural law (which would later influence the creation of international law),[79] politics,[80] architecture,[81] literature,[82] personal hygiene (ablution),[83][84][85][86] and family life.[87][88] Historically, extended families were the basic family unit in the Christian culture and countries.[89]
Christianity played a role in ending practices common among pagan societies, such as human sacrifice, slavery,[90] infanticide and polygamy.[91] Scientists such as Newton and Galileo believed that God would be better understood if God's creation was better understood.[92]
Christianity had a significant impact on education and science and medicine as the church created the basis of the Western system of education,[62] and was the sponsor of founding universities in the Western world as the university is generally regarded as an institution that has its origin in the Medieval Christian setting
"Christianity planted the hospital: the well-endowed establishments of the Levant and the scattered houses of the West shared a common religious ethos of charity." The Byzantine Empire was one of the first empires to have flourishing medical establishments. Prior to the Byzantine Empire the Roman Empire had hospitals specifically for soldiers and slaves. However, none of these establishments were for the public. The hospitals in Byzantium were originally started by the church to act as a place for the poor to have access to basic amenities.
Thank you for putting this forward. GOD BLESS YOU
This wasn't a video on questions and answers because, he clearly didn't answer the question. This was a video to hear Mr. Lennox's debate response.
The question of the debate was "Is God Great?", which he did answer, I suspect this would have been the opening of the debate before their rebuttals and responses to each other.
Dinesh D’Souza answered this same long question from Hitchens very satisfactorily. He responded to the bit about it all being a waste as that being an observation of a creature bound by limits of efficiency. He pointed out that God is not such a being.. so none of this would be a waste of any sort to Him. As far as why God waited so long to intervene.. Dinesh accurately pointed out that the vast majority of human beings who have ever lived lived after the life of Christ, as the massive populations explosions happened post Christ. This means that if Jesus wanted to come at the perfect time to reach the majority of mankind.. he did. Also.. there had just recently (historically speaking)been laid all of the Roman roads to carry the gospel to the known world.
I’d like to add that I’ve watched Hitchens many times.. and there are always plenty of questions from the opposition he fails to address.
@jonathanwallace6861 The point about the Roman roads is a good one, I believe Billy Graham made a point regarding that. Historically and geographically, Jesus came at the perfect time and in the perfect place for the Gospel to spread most efficiently.
@@CHLangley Or god couldve just showed himself to everyone instead of relying on humans to spread his message. Why do gods always rely on humans to do the work?
As a former southern Baptist one of my biggest problems with the abrahamic religions is the theocratic sentiments that spawn from their dominant nature.
In fact, the right wing extremists in my country who are pushing for a theocracy are the people who initially caused me to begin questioning my faith.
Theocrats acting like the United States is strictly a Christian nation when we have a right to freedom of religion which includes freedom FROM religion.
Keep trying to take over the government and the number of “religious nones” will continue to increase.
Also the name of your channel is misleading. This is a religious channel masquerading as a channel for “daily wisdom”. It’s a form of deception.
It’s actually so pathetic
I once upon a time was denying the Almighty YAHWEH. The more I studied science (biology, astrophysics, mathematic) and humanity, the more I kept getting pushed towards scriptures, I have read Shintõ, Buddhist, Greek Mythology, Heka and they all pointed me towards Torah, Nebi'im and Kethubim Aleph and Kethubim bet. Things happened in my life that I thought were coincidental. I know now that I was being naive and stubborn. I have given my soul and life to Christ and I will not turn my back on him.
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Best decision you ever made. GBY
Being sceptical, as Christopher Hitchens is, of claims of a personal supernatural God type being existing, seems a reasonable position to take.
except that every thing in science points straight to the existence of God. It takes a lot of emotional and intellectual gymnastics to believe there is no God.
@@bock1965
Very few scientists believe in a personal supernatural God type being.
The scientific method is concerned with understanding the natural world.
Supernatural ghosts, Gods, faires et all are of zero interest
If you wish to believe in a supernatural creator of the Universe then that's lovely.
@@iainrae6159 the original scientists were Christians exploring God's creation.They understood that to know more about the natural world was to know more about God. The same is true today but many scientists have been duped into believing that science has dispensed with the need of God. Which is ironic because without God there would be nothing to explore.
@@bock1965 Prior to the Enlightenment and Charles Darwin almost everyone was religious. Even Newton dabbled in alchemy. It could cost you your life to question priestly authority so it was wise to toe the line.
Most scientists today have little interest in supernatural God claims or religion.
In the UK the majority of the public now tick the 'no religion' ' box and barely 1% attend church.
You are,rightly free to believe what you wish, but don't be surprised if many are sceptical of priests claims to understand the wishes of a supernatural being.
@@iainrae6159 Oh I am not surprised at all. And you are not telling me things I have not already heard. I do appreciated your politeness in doing so. I understand there are a great many in the world of science who with all their might attempt to keep God at bay. The truth of the molecular structure of stones and flesh is the same now as it was a thousand years ago. Now we know much more about them than ever before. But nothing of their substance has changed. So it is with God their creator. Just as men have sought to know more about the natural world they have sought to know less about God. Yet in their knowing less about Him they claim to know more about Him. They hope in vain to have known Him into non existence. This is to their own chagrin for their dearly loved science only demonstrates His existence more and more. The extreme balances , mathematical precisions and staggering odds by which the laws of nature govern all we know about us cry out for , demand and proclaim the existence , recognition and glory of God.
The fact that science can not answer all the question doesn't mean that we need to invent a fairytale instead.
That is the nub of the issue.
Investigate Padre Pio.
So your saying humans have the superiority by making up scientific dillusion that we are all programmed to believe..... We are not superior, there is a divine supervision that we all know deep inside, we just have a block to due to science. Science is a man made construct. Jesus is the truth the way and the life. You'll realise it one day, and I hope it's sooner rather than later.
The bald guy ignored every point Hitchens made. Hitchens' point was that life is inherently hideous. He said nothing about the actions of people. His point was that the bald guy's god, if he exists, is a monster, an incompetent, a liar, etc. The universe is not perfect, not moral, has no order. The bald guy just babbles about the same old tropes that have been debunked for thousands of years. He's pathetic and not persuasive at all. Anyone who feels his rebuttal is thoughtful needs to think a little more.
Praise the Lord from india ❤️✝️🇮🇳🙏
Creationists never debate they just preach.
This channel is quickly becoming my favorite after only a handful of videos. Got the bell on, can't wait to see what you deliver to us next.
Wow, thanks!!
Just because you dont understand how we get "order from chaos" doesn't mean it was a god. Lennox needs the extraordinary evidence of this supposed god, and he has none. Nice speaker but easily proven fallacious.
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind"
- Einstein, from Science and Religion 1954
I would have liked to hear Hitchens reply.
Yeah but Christians are hands down the best people. Red cross, salvation army, peace corps, doctors without borders, Im guessing 99% of homeless shelters in usa, first orphanage rather than child work camp, first hospital, and a lot more
The Crusades, greatness indeed.ass murderers and filled with pedophiles.
There is a link to the full debate in the description
@@ibperson7765no christians are not the best people. I was raised as one. The narcissism and assumption with no evidence that they are indeed right about life while everyone else is wrong. Interesting thing is even amongst christians, they can’t determine what the actual truth is. Funny the Bible says so few will make it in, yet there are a million denominations. I’d love to see who actually got it right. My guess is none of them did.
What is actually important about both of the arguments is that there is a huge difference between spirituality and religion. One can be agnostic and believe in something greater than science can explain, while also not subscribing to the doctrine of a religion.
Nah. Dawkins essentially shits on agnostics in The God Delusion, and rightly so. You should give it a read.
Excellent point! Great power is wielded over the masses by the indoctrination of them via religious text.
But if you believe in something then you are not agnostic. What you wanted to say was that you can still believe without being religious I guess.
I am not religious and don't believe literally in religions but I do believe in a higher being, a meaning, spirituality etc.
@@Clarity_of_Light Belief is still just that: Belief. It does not constitute truth. A person simply believing in something supernatural does not make it come into being. It never has, it never will.
@@Clarity_of_Light no, agnostic don't believe in God. They are just open to the possibility that there might be some creator. It's Schrodinger's God.
It would be good if instead of defending against accusations, those who believe could bring some evidence to bear as to why they believe. The argument , we don’t understand how and why creation happened, therefore we’ll invent god, is a pleasant balm for the vulnerable and the frightened but nothing more. And the idea that people believe because it says so in a holy book is utterly mystifying.
@@polger1739 Indeed, they call it God, but they just love themselves.
Yes, but they don't have to give anyone proof of anything. This isn't a criminal trial, if they want to believe in the Easter Bunny, it's quite frankly, none of your business. Just like it's not anyone's business if you don't believe.
Love your channel. There is no interruption in the middle of the video.
But Lennox didn't counter Hitches arguments
Hitchens said God was aloof in the face of mans suffering and self infliction, Lennox described a good God with with a good plan to rescue, man from himself and from Evil, through Gods own sacrifice (the Death Burial and Resurrection) of Gods Only Son at the hands of miserable Man, It's epic.🙂
Most of the time I find Lennox side steps or misconstrues in his rebuttals.
@@MikeSheasheaDtree even if you could somehow make a human sacrifice sound like a good plan,it still doesn't answer the 998,000 years it took him to come up with it.
@@gango23 why don't you tell us how many years it should've taken ? You need to understand, it may seem like a lot of time to you, but to God time doesn't exist.
@@emmanuel.n8458 hang on,let me read an old book written by some goat herders in the desert about a wizard that came back from the dead. That sounds like a good place to get some answers about the universe.
I love the Christian faith - it is so beautiful and deep. I am so very grateful.
My step dad was a devoted atheist, well after years of living there towards his last days of earth somethings came back to him on his death bed he remembered something I have said to him. What I said to him was what is wrong thinking about heaven a place with no pain, no hunger, no thrist, no sorrow, all about love, joy, plus everything of good. I will refuse to believe I go to nothingness and we was created from nothingness now I really want to to think about this and compare. What has more to offer you life for eternal life but atheism offers nothingness it's depressing no because no hope or value. He remembered this in his last days and gave his heart to the Lord and Savior, before he passed away. If he could have a change of heart so can you. If you believe in the big bang theory ok where did the 1 cell come from atheism believe it comes from nothingness I disagree. God's construction of life is perfection because the moment of conception is life that is when our soul enters that fetus which makes that child a life. Now what happens when these people gets all the men to change the sex and women to change there sex also well man can't create life so only God can plus they don't have the knowledge to correct what they have done it will be broken forever human life will just cease to exist period. If they do eventually can create what they think is life will be soulless robots in human form. Plus what you telling God he is flawed and wrong what I say about that. You just put yourself on thin ice with God he isn't wrong or flawed he is perfection.
"I'll clap along with that"
Of course you will... like a trained seal.
Im 73 and so thankful for the sacrifice Jesus made on the ✝️ ❤
The world has never been in more danger. How much of it is due to differing religious beliefs, how many have died because of him, the number is countless millions. Yeah I'm wearing a huge happy hat, cheers jesus.
I like your irony.@@alanpower8234
When is Lennox going to address what Hitchens said?
He said that Hitchens has faith in the false God of science which does not and can not explain how we got here and where we are going.
Big Bang says well we think that Nothing exploded and made everything(!) It's been my experience that explosion destroys, it DOES NOT CREATE ORDER. The idea that 99% of all beings are extinct is very interesting. How does he know that? He tosses things like that out and is so condescending in his opinion of those scientists who have come before him who believed in God the Creator is the ultimate insult to the great minds of past and present. He obviously considers him self as the greatest mind since he has figured out that he has designed himself to be independent of God.
Science tries to date out universe to millions of years because that is vague enough to seem like the evolutionary model could possibly have happened. But think- if it did happen, then where are all the missing links between species? We should literally be tripping all over them every where! Yet there are none. None but proven hoaxes which have tried to show evidence of something which never happened. Piltdown, Lucy etc were not links. One was proven to be a construct from a single pigs tooth! But do ypu hear that in the New York Times! No.
In fact, the so called Fossil Record is what was left from the great flood of Noah's day. After that rain, the first rain ever, our whole ecosystem changed. The giant lizards we call dinosaurs grew so huge because there was a mist shich watered the earth and shielded it feom the harmful UV rays from the sun. After the flood people and animals did not live so long. Some species could not live in the harsher world and died out. They died suddenly and not over millions of years. The Bible is full of scientific info. Archeology has shown many ancient cities which are in the pages of the only living book, as relevant today and truthful today as it was thousands of years ago.
I'm also waiting...
You ever watch a debate before? You ever notice they have different sections? Like an opening statement, rebuttals, closing statements?
He but did like Hitchens you just refuse to listen. Bye 👋🏽...
Atheism doesn’t have to explain anything. Atheism isn’t a belief system.
You say “I believe in god”, I say “show me your proof”, you say “I don’t have any”, and I say “well I don’t believe you then”.
That’s it.
Religion provides an emotional solace for those that require it.
Thanks for the video!🙏🏾 I have been struggling with doubt lately, and your video was very encouraging.😊
That just made my day! Jesus loves you so much ❤️👑
Hello...I just wanted to say questions are ok. What kind of GOD would we serve if Faith in Him wasn't able to stand up to scrutiny? When your questions are honest and humble, our Loving Father will Graciously guide you to all wisdom and the ultimate knowledge of Him through Jesus Christ. Ask and you shall receive, knock and the door will be opened, seek and you will find. I understand this may sound cliche, and how sad, that these amazing words given to us by Our LORD have become cliche in the ears of today. Some hear this and say "thanks for the standard typical generic Christian answer" It is sad that the words of GOD are seen as "generic" by some...of ANYONE, who's words should be said and heard more? Who's words have more Hope? The key to this, in my personal experience, is honesty and humility. Many times I have asked my Father many, MANY questions and He has ALWAYS been kind and Gracious, even if at that moment I did not get an answer, I can honestly say He has always answered every question I have had. Even if that answer was not what i wanted it to be. Again, sometimes it took time, as though perhaps I was not ready...I would prob say "able" to understand the answer, but when asked in humility and honesty he takes the time to Lovingly share his thoughts with us and guide us to the Truth. It's when we, with our small thoughts attempt to outwit or Mock Him that He can simply let you spin your wheels. I don't know if I am way off here or if I went off on a tangent that does not pertain to anything you are experiencing, i tend to do that 🙂, but I just wanted to share some things from my own experience and encourage you that He is there, and He does hear and wants to have you close to him, to share as much of himself with you as you are able to receive! I see it this way...I am a parent and when my babies would come to be with their beautiful little curious minds and ask me "Daddy, why is this that?" I would take the time to explain, the best i was able to for their little curious minds to understand. As they got older I was able to explain more and whenever my boys ask me any question with honesty and humility, I Love being able to share with them. "I do not know what the future holds, but I do know who holds the future" Sorry for this being so long...hopefully this is relevant in some small way
@@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom Exactly Professor John Lennox showing the hypocritical double standards that Atheists have for religious beliefs and theism that they don't apply to what Atheists do. I used to be an atheist and agnostic but they're both assumptions about reality made without any evidence just emotional arguments and strawman arguments against Christianity and theism. Creation and design requires a Creator we call God. This has nothing and everything to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a fellow Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college student. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " On The Origin of Species" and I'm not convinced of macro Evolutionary biology whereas I accept micro Evolution like speciation and adaptation but not macro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.
@@shane2973 Thanks Shane!
Doubt is upside down faith, unbelief.
Next time doubt tries you, just watch it until it leaves.
I'm impressed Hitltchens glasses were able to stay on his nose... those things were hanging on for dear life!
I have experienced only pain, suffering, futility and loneliness in my life.
If "this" is the work of some grandfather from the clouds... then there better be nothing after death.
It's a pity that John Lennox lives practically his whole life in a big mistake.
Sky daddyism alongside worldly suffering (which is no actual rebuttal to God)
John Lennox has hope, and it seems you don’t from this comment. 😔
Glad you realize actual suffering exists, so I’m assuming you believe evil exists , this is one step away from nihilism.
If you think about it you are the only one taking a risk. Not believing in God means eternal hell. Believing in God to find nothing after death would not be a disappointment not to me or many other Christians. Alot of us have come to religion to fix ourselves and our lives. It provides a moral compass. You should really try to understand instead of jumping on the attack every single time. Grew up going to church and have visited many different churches and out of all this time I have not once found anyone who fits the description you atheists paint for others. Your actually lying to people about God. You will all pay in judgement for this.
@@balakaythesloth yes, blaming God for our heartache is a lie. And yes, atheists have everything to lose, while we have nothing.
But remember, their judgement can be forgiven just as ours was and is:
You use corny catch prases like "skydaddyism" as if it validates YOUR agnosticism.
If you agnosticism is so real, why have you suffered all your life? You'd, with you all being so "smart", your unbelief would have stopped the suffering.
There's a difference between not believing & believing in not believing. So, you basically gave no answers of any substance.
Just the same complaints that EVERYONE has.
And if you are an atheist your suffering is for nothing, and you really don’t matter.
Find God because it seems this sinful world has ravaged you.
If God had wanted to reveal himself to us, why not do it properly? Why would he do it in a million different ways, originating thousands of different religious doctrines? To toy with us? Why would he want to confuse us so badly? And if he is so superior that he is just indifferent to our condition, a situation that -in the light of human history - seems very likely, aren't all the religious doctrines a complete delusion?
Lennox is so knowledgeable and eloquent in his understanding and wisdom with God and his creation
Hitch wins. Any rational mind that starts asking fundamental questions will arrive to the logical conclusion that all gods are invented by humans trying to explain the world or to manipulate other humans. But of course, in order to understand science, one would need a trained brain ( which is hard) and to "understand" religion one only needs a simpler mind.
@a_troll so in your view devoid of any God, then do you believe mankind is responsible for all the evil?
@@apilkey Depends on what kind of evil you are referring to.
@@tdtwentyoneIf not man then who?
@@apilkey are you referring to acts such as war, murder, rape, etc? If so then man. It's about the choice we make. If you are talking about calamities or cataclysmic events, it's all natural.
If you believe in God then you may know Isaiah 45:7. He did it didnt He?
@@tdtwentyoneHow can a mountain or earthquake be evil?
How does an inanimate object have the capacity to do something immoral?
Atheist Asks TOUGH Question: EPIC Response! [to some totally unrelated questions]. I would like to hear the Christian response to the question of why God allowed 99.9% of species to go extinct and then stood back for at least 98,000 years as Homo Sapiens suffered and struggled so terribly, before finally sending down Jesus [which doesn't seem to have helped very much].
You will never hear the answer.
it is painful to say I don't know - so they keep quiet.
Agree. People believes in theistic evolution because of lack of knowledge, confirmation bias and indoctrination.
"[which doesn't seem to have helped very much]" aka raised the standard of living across the planet, supplanted the rule of power and fame, with love and mercy, and made the lowest outcast a leading member of his congregation.
Anyone who denies God is love still has their own God, just one that isn't love.
"[which doesn't seem to have helped very much]" See the following:
Protestantism also has had an important influence on science. According to the Merton Thesis, there was a positive correlation between the rise of English Puritanism and German Pietism on the one hand, and early experimental science on the other.[72][73][74]
The cultural influence of Christianity includes social welfare,[75] founding hospitals,[76] economics (as the Protestant work ethic),[77][78] natural law (which would later influence the creation of international law),[79] politics,[80] architecture,[81] literature,[82] personal hygiene (ablution),[83][84][85][86] and family life.[87][88] Historically, extended families were the basic family unit in the Christian culture and countries.[89]
Christianity played a role in ending practices common among pagan societies, such as human sacrifice, slavery,[90] infanticide and polygamy.[91] Scientists such as Newton and Galileo believed that God would be better understood if God's creation was better understood.[92]
Christianity had a significant impact on education and science and medicine as the church created the basis of the Western system of education,[62] and was the sponsor of founding universities in the Western world as the university is generally regarded as an institution that has its origin in the Medieval Christian setting
"Christianity planted the hospital: the well-endowed establishments of the Levant and the scattered houses of the West shared a common religious ethos of charity." The Byzantine Empire was one of the first empires to have flourishing medical establishments. Prior to the Byzantine Empire the Roman Empire had hospitals specifically for soldiers and slaves. However, none of these establishments were for the public. The hospitals in Byzantium were originally started by the church to act as a place for the poor to have access to basic amenities.
One very slight google search, not to mention the millions of people who individually followed Jesus' teachings and based their lives around love rather than the materialistic schlock that you've put above God. But nice try.
I've listened to a lot of Lennox. Never heard the man directly answer the question he was asked. Weird for a mathematician. Almost makes you think it's intentional.
@@tryintoreason9738 Almost makes people with an IQ above room temperature realise the question being asked was better explained with an answer that you have trouble understanding. The problem with direct answers is that they're easy to misrepresent, context is needed if the question is anything worth answering, but you MUST know that
That was one of the best arguments I've ever heard for the case of religion and yet I was not moved in the slightest to believe in a god.
That’s a problem of the heart, not of the mind
@@TheChadPad I do not consider my stance to be a "problem" but I agree that I am of sound mind.
@@anthonyhale3634 the fact that you do not consider the possibility of your stance being a problem for you is the problem. You have a hard heart
@@TheChadPad I am a morally good person so I am confident if there is a judgement day I will be taken care of accordingly. Far be it to be judged by a person who believes in a fairytale that judgement is reserved for their "god". I suggest you stop judging me for my "free will" that you must believe in.
@@anthonyhale3634 you’ve proven my point. See, your heart is hard, and thus, you are hostile to me with no love. Have you lied? Cursed towards your parents? How many sins have you committed? If you have repeatedly committed sins and harmed others, how can you say you’re a morally good person? This is just a way to pat yourself on the back. No one is truly good, myself included. What good works you’ve done will mean nothing on judgement day. That’s not how it works. The only thing that will matter is if you rejected the God who made you, upon which He will reject you on judgement day, with the words, “I never knew you.” For your own good, I say this: Out of all humility you can muster, in light of the ignorance you have and everyone else has, consider the possibility and stay open to having your mind changed. Soften your heart, and do not be defensive. You consider it a critique of yourself instead of a consideration for your wellbeing, and this is the defensiveness symptomatic of a hardened heart. How could I critique you? You can do no different. Drop the guard, soften the heart, and stay humble in light of ignorance, and then consider the possibility for a great many years. God bless you
Thanks for what you do on this channel brother. If you (viewer) see this and have some time to burn, look up some more of John Lennox’s debates and lectures. He’s a real truth speaker.
Wow God really has duplicates on earth.
John Lennox is dishonest in his debates. He is a shame to scientists
@@ezesolomon3996facts please?
Science is dishonest. They have no idea. The "enlightenment" gave us science practiced as if God doesn't exist. The machinations they must go to to explain life and consciousness is dishonest. @@ezesolomon3996
He's a defender of what he believes because he wants to believe it and will not face truth. He lies for the preservation of his lying beliefs because he refuses to give them up, because he terrified of letting go of his delusion.
A lot of love from Mexico. Thanks for sharing! ❤
Come on, my friend, think carefully and decide. This world was not created to be a game. There is a creator. We are put to the test. We will learn to compete in good deeds. The good will win and attain eternal heaven. Islam commands us to compete in good deeds, and it prohibits sins such as cruelty, lying, adultery, interest, murder, gambling, etc.
I believe that Hitchens was an honest atheist, one who denied ALL deity and never wavered.. but.. he once spoke very kindly about people from different religions mainly Jewish and Christians who expressed kindness and friendship towards him. I hope in the end it touched him
Even if it did, that alone would not save him
@beholdtheworld8900 Right. No, really, he'd have to do way more.
@@beholdtheworld8900 i agree but we never know
I don't think you can even describe this as a debate when one argument is given 3.5 minutes and the other over 15 minutes. That is the definition of being biased.
and he barely answers the original question and goes on a monologue of science and theism, Christopher Hitchens did not make the point of sceince explains why things are like they are or that science and religion a cannot coexist. Perhaps we lack context here.
I personally do not deny the existance of a god, but the extistance of a god described by the bible, the quran or the old testament seem very emotional instead of rational, that we humans are special. For me there can be a god, but the old religious texts are seem very unlikely to be true, especially since a lot from them can be disproved.
Maybe because the first speech has been cut, because the center of this video here is Lennox's speech. No serious detabe would give less time for one side and more to the other. Especially a debate between two scients. There is a mediator which reminds both speechers the remaining time. I'm pretty sure we can find the whole video on youtube.
@@vincentL.7 That is probably the most open minded response I've seen in an online discussion about religion. For some reason the very topic seems to cloud peoples thinking.
@@anaferrari5776 yeah taken out of context most likely
@@tiegoz trying to be open minded, well i mean claiming that i have the truth or believe in the only truth is extremely narcisistic, therefore i critique religion, but with that logic I can also not deny the existance of a god, even a christian or muslim god.
Just one thing - You did not bring Christopher Hitching's reply to Lenox, I'm sure he could bring us a more convincing summary than that which you have provided.
Yeasss .this video is one sided
Will any debate or amount of proof change the minds of either views that already grained in our minds?
@@Mghol1968 -
1. Yes - but only with some of the more intelligent people. Alas; Intelligent people are few & far between.
2. The word is 'ingrained' & not 'grained' ! please proofread your comments.
@@ittaiklein8541 Appreciate you pointing that out "Karen"
I'm sorry but I don't know how you come to the conclusion that the god you worship is good! There were thousands of gods throughout human history BUT the one YOU worship is the correct one, the loving one, the caring one?
For all his academic brilliance, Lennox barely scratches the crux of Hitchens arguments, if at all
Hitchens: "Question to the christians: When God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, just, created humans EXACTLY how he, the perfect God with the perfect plan, wanted them to be - why does this God let the vast majority of his creation go to hell, did not give them the slightest chance?"
John Lennox: NO ANSWER. Instead, the usual "Let me make my usual argument for a nebulous, unspecific Creator god that is the First Cause as placeholder for the first moment, let me excuse my omnipotent Creator that he is not responsible for anything that his creation does. Let me define all good can only come from God, all bad is not his problem
All that we want is to make our christians happy by telling them the are SOOOOOO special because they were created by an omnipotent being, and this omnipotent being is ONLY interested in ONE species on ONE planet in ONE solar system within trillions of galaxies".
Makking these people happy makes his living, makes his income, gives his life importance.
As RESPONSE to Hitchen it is truly EPIC - an epic FAILURE.
Grade F - having totally failed the topic that he should have adressed.
When someone doesn’t want to believe something (often because they will have to become accountable to that being), they close their minds to any other argument.
Hitchens now knows......I hope he isn't disappointed.
Oh, he's not disappointed he gets to be away from God for all Eternity now
@user-ih4wq9yt3s It's appointed to man, Once to die and then the Judgment The only way to escape condemnation on judgment day is in Jesus Christ. Unless he put his Trust in Christ, he is going to be condemned. For everyone who has the son has eternal life. But whoever rejects the son will not see life. Because God's wrath remains on him.
@user-ih4wq9yt3s Jesus said I'm the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live even though he dies, And he who lives and believes will not die. Jesus rose from the grave proving hes God. With over 500 witnesses to his resurrection.