DLSS is the top dog, no way around it. It had years in the field but with that said, the fact that out of the gate the PSSR is already better than FSR just shows the huge potential it has and it will improve in the years to come
This is a first party title and FSR does not use AI, PSSR being better it is obvious. We need to see the performance and quality in third party games. DSSR in this case probably is way ahead
@@beachslap7359 Having upscaling done by dedicated cores (alongside only supporting one skew) is better than a general method applied to every computer.
But aren't you confused by, after having multiple games shown now, DF (Alex Battaglia) seemly ONLY sticks to this ONE game to make these claims? At this point, if these claims carry factual consistent pattern, shouldn't these broad sweeping statements be backed up by multiple examples across various games all showing the same results? We've all seen the crystal clear Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth footage, which John Linneman says it simply looks like a native 4k output. We've seen DF compare TLOU2 on Pro to PS5's NATIVE 4k 30fps mode HERE ruclips.net/video/LoQi6FE-7W8/видео.html @4:30 and the result was PS5 Pro's 60fps PSSR mode is SUPERIOR to PS5's native 30fps 4k image. The fact of the matter is, Ratchet n Clank has the absolute WORST implementation of PSSR we've seen thus far. The simple fact is there are good and bad implementations of image reconstruction techniques. Even dreaded FSR2 even have some titles where the reconstruction looks really good. Alex Battaglia found the worst example of the technique and is using that as *"PSSR results"* .
It really doesn't lol. The fact they can only use it on older titles some 10 years old but no triple A games or future games means it's a gimmick. Why would anybody buy a PS5 to replay older titles they already beat to see details at 300 zoom they won't normally see?
I tell or DF guys tell? PSSR = FSR 4.O. Its made by Sony and AMD from the FSR 3.0 and RUNS in AMD HARDWARE with IA CORES like Tensor cores (probably, because they leaked NOTHING about the hardware). Dont forget kids: PS5 PRO is a RDNA 3.5 machine which has RT AND IA CRES from RDNA 4 and the rest is RDNA3.
Are the videos repeating themselves? I swear I've seen this one a couple of times already, so far this month. Regarding the PSSR 1.0 vs DLSS 3.7 video, if it's already hard to appreciate the changes with such aggressive zooms, that means Sony has done it really well.
There's only one set of official video ever released on the PS5 Pro and everyone's stuck milking it over and over. It's kinda crazy we still have nothing new.
No they keep re-analyzing as they gain new info. First they analyzed the initial footage, then tried more in-depth analysis on better footage. Than they did their own comparison based on similarly spec'd hardware to ps5 pro's specs running PC versions of ps games compared against vanilla ps5 graphics. Then they got to recently do some hands-on with their own recording with actual ps5 pro as opposed to nearest target PC hardware, which is this latest round. I think people are likely not very interested in the pro. For them they're likely just interested as nerds to see a mid-gen refresh because pssr is the biggest immediate benefit and ai solutions have all been very different and they just like to see what they think is going on, how will it even be used on already-released games, which can serve for a foundation of evolving analysis as PSSR's machine learning improves over time. Future games could be designed to optimize around pro instead of applying it as a substitute for their previous solutions. And the biggest advantage will be for developers and the ps6 itself to start thinking of ways to use ai or ray tracing cores in preparation for ps6.
I guess not, but used PCs do exist and they are a neat option for people who dont know how to fully build one. 1 year ago I got a PC with 32 GB ram, i5 and rtx 3070 for 700 bucks.
It doesn't come close. DLss can upscale anyfame that thrown at it. Pssr is made for older titles you already beat almost 10 years ago that's not impressive at all 😂. It's not future proof an the games that come out aren't going to benefit from the extra power provided from the p5 since they aren't optimized for it. That means you gotta wait another 5 to 10 years to use basic settings
I tell or DF guys tell? PSSR = FSR 4.O. Its made by Sony and AMD from the FSR 3.0 and RUNS in AMD HARDWARE with IA CORES like Tensor cores (probably, because they leaked NOTHING about the hardware). Dont forget kids: PS5 PRO is a RDNA 3.5 machine which has RT AND IA CRES from RDNA 4 and the rest is RDNA3.
@@TheVRResistanceYour delusional your idea of catching up in sales or popularity is not the same as technology. By that logic PS6 will catch up to current PC hardware however by then we will be having an RTX 6090.
It really isn't. How is it stepping up when war hammer barely runs at 30 fps but they redo old games from almost a decade ago to finally run at 1800p barely 60 fps ? That's called just being cheap. For all that buy a old used PC an you can actually play with setting an get more bang for your buck. I have a PS4 so I'm not hating it's just stupid to think it's an upgrade when they clearly have a very short list of games this can abuse an the list is older titles with details you won't even notice
Lmao. This is the end of playstation. They were good when they Sold consoles for 400 and barely made Profit. Now a ps5 pro with disc costs 920. U can get a gamer 4k pc for 1000. More and more people will understand that consoles are outdated. Unless they sell the ps6 for no more than 600 they will not even beat the PC in price/Performance. They should stop doing xbox and do real xbox Firmware for PC.
with the arrival of playstation 5 pro the differences between console and pc will be less marked like night and day. then when you say "pc" everyone takes it for granted that you play at the maximum performance and beauty, but the vast majority of pc gamers do not have powerful enough pc to really make a huge difference between console and pc.
True. The Steam hardware survey always proves that... Though the usual console/pc wars knuckleheads can never think rationally, It's always one extreme or the other
@@blackface-b1v literally its not just about power, its that the console fkn cost 1000 dollars in sweden, AND dont forget you need a 150-180 dollars a year just to use the bloody thing.
@Reaper9-4 1. that's just one specific country It'd be like saying a 4090 is $4000 simply cuz Canada sells it for $4000 (I saw them sell it that high) 2. The yearly payment is only required for multiplayer games, it's not mandatory Stop saying it is 3. It's $80/year not $150
@@blackface-b1v And of course, also the release schedule of hardware, you get so much more value spending 500-700€ once every ~6 years as opposed to having PC hardware release basically every year and then being locked out from the latest features, for example nvidia
Still dlss overall win but pssr surprisingly pretty close and in 4:02 puasue gys. Reflection looks somehow better with pssr, much clearer less artefacts 🤔
@@Jumsut_ no alex said he intentionally use dynamic resolution on pc in order to match with ps5 pro setting since console always enable the dynamic resolution and he acknowledge that dlss do not work well with dynamic resolution
Just so you know, DLSS gen 1 was WAYYYYYYY worse with the fizzle than PSSR is....WAY worse ....I can guarantee that over time PSSR will end up better. Also, remember, DLSS is at gen 3.something now....so it should be better...but that fact it's only barely better, shows the accomplishment of Sony with PSSR
I tell or DF guys tell? PSSR = FSR 4.O. Its made by Sony and AMD from the FSR 3.0 and RUNS in AMD HARDWARE with IA CORES like Tensor cores (probably, because they leaked NOTHING about the hardware). Dont forget kids: PS5 PRO is a RDNA 3.5 machine which has RT AND IA CRES from RDNA 4 and the rest is RDNA3.
There is a difference here that it seems you fail to realize. What you call "soft" seems to produce a cleaner more natural image. It delivers a more realistic look which makes it quite appealing. Have to watch the full screen footage though without any zoom comparisons for this to be visible. Regardless of whether PSSR is close to delivering the same quality as DLSS's current iteration, it helps the Pro deliver a great, clean and realistic looking image.
Yeah imagine the PS5 Pro costs 700$ with a Upscaling Technology out of the Gate vs a thousands of dollar High End gaming Pc with a Upscaling technology in the 3. Generation. The Price Performance Ratio of PS5 Pro is insane compared to the Pc.
Except his broad sweeping conclusions he's trying to make others believe is only supported by THIS 1 sole example. Since when dose a CREDIBLE source make sweeping conclusion about a technology based on 1 example??? We've all seen the crystal clear Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth footage, which John Linneman says it simply looks like a native 4k output. We've seen DF compare TLOU2 on Pro to PS5's NATIVE 4k 30fps mode HERE ruclips.net/video/LoQi6FE-7W8/видео.html @4:30 and the result was PS5 Pro's 60fps PSSR mode is SUPERIOR to PS5's native 30fps 4k image. The fact of the matter is, Ratchet n Clank has the absolute WORST implementation of PSSR we've seen thus far. The simple fact is there are good and bad implementations of image reconstruction techniques. Even dreaded FSR2 even have some titles where the reconstruction looks really good. Alex Battaglia found the worst example of the technique and is using that as *"PSSR results"* .
Nvidia has and will always have over sharpening bc they want people to see the difference , and it really is different, if u oversharen pssr, u will see artifacts much better there, they try to hide it like makeup, a layer over it to hide the artifacts
@@riceeater79Keep doing the lords work trying to down play the pro! No one can tell you’re a raving fanboy with an agenda, you’ve got them all fooled. Btw, you should increase your replies to other comments. That will surely convince yet more people you are correct.
i just bought a PS5 after 10years being on PS4 , ps5 pro is a good upgrade but im excited for what future holds for PSSR and PS6 , this generation doesnt have that many games justifying a 700$ investment in the console only, no point in investing extra dollars to play PS4 games.
@@goldensperm7182 i could have bought a 2000 € PC in 2022 and still would have been cheaper than buying ps5+ps5pro+psn+all the games i bought in the last 2 years.
Damn you should have bought PS5 Pro. I think its a rip-off that PS5 is as expensive as 4 years ago. In my opinion the highest value for $ is at the launch. So PS5-Pro should be the way to go if you are comming from PS4 Unless you bought 2nd hand PS5, that would be even more valuable for $
bro i just dont like the hassle of a pc im a lazy gamer i just want to turn on my console sit back and play without the hassle of changing multiple settings.
All upscalers and no games. Way to go. Can't wait to upscale Last of Us Revolutionized on ps6 BiPro. You know it's all gone to shit when the reason to buy a 800 bucks console is a goddamn upscaler. Fuck mid gen and all this bs. Wake up people.
At the end of the day. We are nitpicking because no one is going to have two devices side by side. Either way. They all look great in comparison to the original PlayStation 5.
You still get the bummed up fps... (or extra detail) and bigger HD. People have preferences... If you don't have one, the difference is little and worthwhile.
@PhilippeCorthout The only technical leap is in resolution. Textures and game design are still on average level. Games look worse on a really large screen, even at the best resolution. I personally prefer to play on a high-quality OLED, max 70 inches, rather than on a larger screen where graphical shortcomings are more apparent
It seems like this has to be the best debut of a new gaming upscaling technology ever. DLSS1, FSR1, and XeSS did not debut anywhere close to this level.
Lol. Just say that you cannot return the ps5 pro and now ure stuck with a blurry picture. Just say it bro😅 . How do you compare the New coming of upscaling with pssr who is based on fsr 3 and is simply amd technology😅 and why do you buy a 1000 bucks console with psn force and disc combined when you can get a 4k 7900xt gpu pc for 1000 and dont need no fsr pssr or upscaling 😅
@ I have a 7900 XTX Nitro and 5120 * 1440 videos on my YT channel. Stop making a fool of yourself talking gibberish about PSSR; you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. It’s hardware and AI based similar to DLSS.
@@AKSBSU i myself have the ps5 pro and returned. There are countless of proofs that pssr is simply more blurry than even the Standard ps5. Its funny how a son that makes a fool of himself says that to his father while the news that pssr is amd technology gets more and more clear. It looks worse than dlss and even fsr looks sharper. Again i repeat myself, i feel sorry that you cannot return yout ps5 pro anymore. But thsts no reason to talk jibberish about pssr which in fact does not in any game look better. The only game is final fantasy that was so bad created for the ps5 that its clear it was on purpose.
I think when PS6 comes around pssr with be similar to DLSS the majority of time. Pssr first appearance and it’s already impressive. Sony will be throwing everything at pssr for future of their consoles
How about comparing PSSR with 1st generation of fsr and dlss, then it will be a fair comparison. Compared to how dlss was when it was launched PSSR looks actually better. Of course 3.X version of dlss will look better, its a no brainer.
Not really, it's far easier to follow a path when someone else cut that path and paved the way. Nvidia innovated the tech, while others then just looked over thier shoulder and copied whatever they got right. It's far easier to copy existing tech, than it is to pioneer a new tech.
@@wizzenberry BS!! Sony just like AMD & Intel will have combed through both the code, algorithms and Nvidia's Tensor core architecture too see exactly how Nvidia achieved and solved various issues. They might not of directly "one to one" copied it due to patienting laws, but they will have gotten several ideas from DLSS. For example, it was far easy for other companies to copy say Karl Benz's first motor car and come up with thier own models based up on it, than it was for Benz to actually come up with idea, design and build a motor car from scratch.
@@shellshock3243 you are spouting nonsense 😂😂 i dont think you realise how it actually works, tensor core arch is a buzzword for idiots its just a bunch of specific calls you can do
This is just the beginning, don't forget that this can be improved over time through update or newer version. Even DLSS version up until now also reach v3.7 already.
If they can apply that for foveation in VR, FS2024 will look incredible on the Valve Deckard (or whatever they're gonna call it) while running at a high frame rate without needing to get a 5090.
I tell or DF guys tell? PSSR = FSR 4.O. Its made by Sony and AMD from the FSR 3.0 and RUNS in AMD HARDWARE with IA CORES like Tensor cores (probably, because they leaked NOTHING about the hardware). Dont forget kids: PS5 PRO is a RDNA 3.5 machine which has RT AND IA CRES from RDNA 4 and the rest is RDNA3.
In the first comparison, there "fizzle" in the dlss image too but its way smaller and shorter. Its MAINLY in the inferior "pipe" in the first and second floor of the building. Thnx
Dunno if this will get answered by DF staff but it's a question regarding the format of this channel Is the content found here different than what is in the weekly podcast? I ask this because I've seen repeated 'cuts' from this week's digital weekly but have also found new content. What is the plan for this? New small clips or a mixture because if it's just repeated info I would change my sub settings accordingly.
DF Clips is just that-short segments from the DF Direct weekly podcast, clipped and reposted on this secondary channel. It’s mainly for people unwilling or unable to invest the time in the 2hr+ podcast and who just want the highlights. It’s additive, so those of us who enjoy the long form factor stuff aren’t losing anything.
@@denhawken I am sure it is a gaming PC that costs thousands of dollars, such tech analysis channels usually use the best hardware, but they don't want it to be said, because then you know how rubbish the price-performance ratio of a gaming PC is. 😉🤣
@@Thor86- would be useful information. everything ive seen i need to either upgrade my gaming pc to at 4080 or 4090.. why? because i stream on discord, record my games and run those programs as i upload to youtube. what i have isnt working.. lots of lag when i do those things.. found out i need a better graphics card.. since the top games i play on is playstation.. might as well buy the pro and use my pc as the sole recording and streaming device for bunch cheaper.. i would love to know what pc they were on and what the gpu and cpu are.. that would give me more valuable data.
no cause even though the PS pro might be able to do it you STILL have to wait for devs to implement shit that can take days, weeks, months or years. red dead 2 is a good example with it being fully playable in 60 fps on regular ps5 with the ps5 being unlocked , but as a regular consumer u prob wont ever get to play red dead 2 in 60 fps or if u will its gonna cost you. buying a cheaper pc will make you be able toplay it over 60 fps easy.
These comparisons are ridiculous. If DF wasn't a thing the general consensus would be PSSR and DLSS are on par. Sony is one PSSR update away from beating DLSS and that is an incredible accomplishment. Ratchet & Clank has the worst implementation of all the titles so far so using it as a comparison is ridiculous.
Doubt. Nintendo are weak and useless when it comes to tech, sure they will find ways to make games look pretty because of thier approched to thier games.But hardware wise despite Nvida support upscaling tech would not be Nintendo first and focus its the games.
4K ruined everything. I remember playing Uncharted 4, Horizon Zero Dawn, etc. on the base PS4 with native resolution, looking crystal clear. Then came the PS4 Pro with checkerboarding and 4k TV's. Suddenly things started looking worse.
It's not that. It's the fact that that they try to keep up with PC an the fact they lied to you guys an you guys believed them. For instance they said that the PS4 can play game at 120nfps and at 4k. What they meant was most shitty games or older games can run at 120nfps but any decent game will run at 720 30 fps. It was never at 4k they just told you guys game can run at that but it was like 5 games. 2k is def the sweet gaming spot but Sony loves to lead you guys on
Looks good, but i don't think the pc that was used in this video was $699 like the ps5 pro. This is a big win for the ps5 pro. Of course a expensive pc will look better, but for that price its understandable 🔥🔥
Seems a lot better than pretty good. Compare PSSR being slightly behind DLSS and the debut state of DLSS1 and FSR1. This may be the most impressive debut we've ever seen from one of these technologies.
I'll take a Sony game on PS5 all day long and not a Sony game on PC. The last few games has not been very good optimized and been unstable for a long period.
YES and YES. There's dedicated silicon (not sure if it's a separate chip or just part of the SoC) but you still need SOFTWARE support in the game and the Operating System to make this all work. I think there's also FIRMWARE that can be updated to support certain things but I don't know how that works.
You can dude. Heres why the image quality is softer. Pssr wont be upscaling from as high resolutions as dlss esp on rt gsmes. If i go from dlss quality to dlss performance sitting 6 feet away from my tv..its softer but it looks good. But you cant switch on console like that so you wont know..ignorance is bliss.
Let’s compare DLSS 1 vs PSSR, i think it would be more relevant. PSSR looks way better than FSR or XeSS, and that’s first release, while it’s close to in long time development DLSS.
Sorry, that makes no sense. First of all, DLSS may have been in development longer but you can't compare timelines as the first people to work on something have a harder time figuring it all out. What is most RELEVANT is comparing what's available to buy and play RIGHT NOW. For example, would someone buy a PS5 PRO vs an NVidia-based gaming PC. And this is good for people who have an NVidia gaming PC but might also buy a PRO. Personally, I'm just curious about seeing how the technology compares and what hardware/software is needed to drive modern gaming forward.
All you need to know is this test was BS and Alex Battaglia misrepresented the facts. Did you notice, after having multiple games shown now, DF (Alex Battaglia) seemly ONLY sticks to this ONE game to make these claims? At this point, if these claims carry factual consistency, shouldn't these broad sweeping statements be backed up by multiple examples across various games all showing the same results? We've all seen the crystal clear Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth footage, which John Linneman says it simply looks like a native 4k output. We've seen DF compare TLOU2 on Pro to PS5's NATIVE 4k 30fps mode HERE ruclips.net/video/LoQi6FE-7W8/видео.html @4:30 and the result was PS5 Pro's 60fps PSSR mode is SUPERIOR to PS5's native 30fps 4k image. The fact of the matter is, Ratchet n Clank has the absolute WORST implementation of PSSR we've seen thus far. The simple fact is there are good and bad implementations of image reconstruction techniques. Even dreaded FSR2 even have some titles where the reconstruction looks really good. Alex Battaglia found the worst example of the technique and is using that as "PSSR results" .
Yeah PSSR is in its early days. Another couple years of iteration and especially when PS6 hardware is tuned towards supporting it, it’ll become very solid.
It's not about being the best, you can't expect the same from a gaming console and the graphic cards that get upgraded every 2 years with new generation of cores on the die. It's like expecting frame generation out of RTX 2000 and RTX 3000 series. That's the precise reason why it's in the Pro and not the base model, specific hardware added later.
i'm guessing ratchet was a best case scenario then. now we know pssr actually has bad performance in quite a few games post launch. Flicker and excessive noise is what i've experienced so far with pssr. Not a good start. problem is this is the first iteration of pssr and i think even the first version of dlss had issues if i heard correctly? but the pc space is different from consoles and having an ai solution thats not optimized on a platform that sells itself on having optimized games is a BIG NO NO. They shouldn't have released this version of it or even the ps5 pro with the issues this version of pssr is having. It simply isn't ready for the console space
I love how all the kids say to each other how great this start is😅 and then they tell you they paid 700 for it😅 the reality is you need a disc because being stuck with psn only will cost you thousands each year. A ps5 pro with disc costs 920 in 99% of countries or more. A 4k 7900xt gaming pc costs you the same like 1000. Guys you just bought a 1440p medium to high settings 920 bucks console that looks blurrier than the base thanks to pssr. Its time to get yourself a pc and play thr game like they should be played😅
The GPU in the Pro is substantially more powerful and has features not in the base model. The ray tracing tech is more advanced than what I have in my 7900 XTX Nitro, which I paid $1200 for when it was new. It's the ray tracing technology AMD was planning to bring out in future generations of cards, but Sony got included in the Pro now.
DLSS is 😮💨 and FSR is 🤮, I think we have room to improvement in upscaling techniques. PSSR seems more promising when showing lower fizzle (noise artifacts) than DLSS.
Fact of the matter is "test" was simply a misrepresentation of the facts. After having multiple games shown now, why does DF (Alex Battaglia) seemly ONLY sticks to this ONE game to make these claims? At this point, if these claims carry factual consistency, shouldn't these broad sweeping statements be backed up by multiple examples across various games all showing the same results? We've all seen the crystal clear Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth footage, which John Linneman says it simply looks like a native 4k output. We've seen DF compare TLOU2 on Pro to PS5's NATIVE 4k 30fps mode HERE ruclips.net/video/LoQi6FE-7W8/видео.html @4:30 and the result was PS5 Pro's 60fps PSSR mode is SUPERIOR to PS5's native 30fps 4k image. The fact of the matter is, Ratchet n Clank has the absolute WORST implementation of PSSR we've seen thus far. The simple fact is there are good and bad implementations of image reconstruction techniques. Even dreaded FSR2 even have some titles where the reconstruction looks really good. Alex Battaglia found the worst example of the technique and is using that as "PSSR results" .
Because they are so tiny. When you play the game you will never notice the difference. Imagine that from a 700$ Console vs an High End gaming Pc which costs thousand of Dollars.And the DLSS technology in the PC is in the 3.Generation vs the 1. generation of PSSR from the PS5 Pro.
@@sajkhan9 Yeah its your decision, but believe me PS5 PRO will get so much Support and Enhanched games because its the future for the coming PS6 with the PSSR technology. Sony must prove it with the PS5 Pro and thats a huge win for the PS5 PRO owners.✌🏼
Still not sure what exactly we are getting with the Pro. Just performance modes that look more closely like fidelity? What about using that power for maximized fidelity modes? I’d rather have eye candy than 60fps any day of the week.
I'd take the highest fps options available over fidelity any day of the week and twice on Sunday! My thought process? I like to control the characters I'm playing as close to the maximum level as I can!
@@TSPG1985 it literally shows that happening, but it's not true? They compared fedelity on PS5 to PS5 pro and the pro looks better at higher frame rates. But ya it's wrong
@@wben7833 again, no it doesn’t. The performance pro mode is not equal to the quality of the fidelity. They even point out a few instances in the videos. Have you watched them?
The whole discussion sounds utterly idiotic. Differences are barely perceptible (not to mention the need for slow motion and zoom in in order for us to see anything at all). For the player, this discussion is simply meaningless as these details are not at all perceived at normal gameplay conditions. The only (weird and paradoxical) justification for this discussion is purely on virtual grounds, or the idea that knowing for a fact that Nvidia's solution is the better one can effectively influence your experience of the game, even though you cannot see the difference for yourself at real/normal gameplay conditions. This weird hypothesis aside, there's no real justification for this discussion as we're literally talking about invisible things.
Warching videos of a console i cant really afford to watch differences i can bately see even when zoomed in..... i miss the big jumps of the snes/megadrive to ps1 and n64 days.
This is just a Pro version... not a new gen. And why do you "miss" the jump? Please explain. I mean we are far away from hat, so of course the improvements are more and more in details. I recommend you play SNES forever and stay with it.
*DLSS aliasing vs PSSR...* We saw ADVANTAGES to PSSR at the end there... but is the issues with the DLSS implementation the "fault" of DLSS or an issue with the information it's being fed? I suspect it's the latter part and that the PS5 PRO version got both sides of that right. PSSR and how PSSR was fed the data to upscale.
You're on to something. After having multiple games shown now, why does DF (Alex Battaglia) seemly ONLY sticks to this ONE game to make these claims? At this point, if these claims carry factual consistency, shouldn't these broad sweeping statements be backed up by multiple examples across various games all showing the same results? We've all seen the crystal clear Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth footage, which John Linneman says it simply looks like a native 4k output. We've seen DF compare TLOU2 on Pro to PS5's NATIVE 4k 30fps mode HERE ruclips.net/video/LoQi6FE-7W8/видео.html @4:30 and the result was PS5 Pro's 60fps PSSR mode is SUPERIOR to PS5's native 30fps 4k image. The fact of the matter is, Ratchet n Clank has the absolute WORST implementation of PSSR we've seen thus far. The simple fact is there are good and bad implementations of image reconstruction techniques. Even dreaded FSR2 even have some titles where the reconstruction looks really good. Alex Battaglia found the worst example of the technique and is using that as "PSSR results" .
Omg I am so sick of seeing Ratchet and Clank. I swear this is the 4th DF video i have watched about PS5 pro that uses the exact same footage with the exact same information.
I tell or DF guys tell? PSSR = FSR 4.O. Its made by Sony and AMD from the FSR 3.0 and RUNS in AMD HARDWARE with IA CORES like Tensor cores (probably, because they leaked NOTHING about the hardware). Dont forget kids: PS5 PRO is a RDNA 3.5 machine which has RT AND IA CORES from RDNA 4 and the rest is RDNA3.
It's kinda mute at this point imo. Battlemage Xess update, AMD RDNA 4 FSR update, DLSS update...I doubt tht AMD is just going to sit there and let PSSR and XESS out do them, if thts the case AMD should just leave the graphics market imo
@@apferrando well said, my error, but with all that being said do you think AMDs next implementations of FSR will be inferior to PSSR? being that AMD has been using upscaling technology for a while now?
@@mrbdb5670 This would strictly be my own personal thoughts here -- but if we're matching it up to PCs still, then no - I don't think an APU will outshine a dedicated GPU. I imagine they'll be rather close to at par though. I'm thinking this may end up being similar to the old PC question of OpenGL or DirectX. AMDs goal is for these features is to be a baseline that can work on anything. That, to me, means that they aren't going to be making this in a way that really capitalizes on the specifics of their cards since they need to be more generalized to support all cards. To that end, I think PSSR is that purpose-built code for the APU. It's also going to have tools built into the Dev Kit - not to trivialize the effort, but something made simple for the devs to utilize during standard game builds. We did hear before these new systems came out that PS5 was easier to develop for than Xbox... which I think speaks volumes, since Microsoft seems to pride itself in their development being PC-like. I dunno, again... my own personal thoughts.
Yeah, zoom, slowmo and ultimately not playing the game let's you see a difference. Basically you have to stand still and search for differences between your two side by side standing tvs. They have to be the exact same model of course. And you have to play both games parallel to the same spot... But then!! Then you have a proof for yourself. The 800€ were totally well spent. I could afford the PS5 pro. And I would, if all (!) PS5 games would run in 60fps on quality settings (4k even without rt, I wouldn't need rt at all!). But that's not happening. 800€ for this... Pfff
It can't. Pssr is made for old games that they force you to rebuy to play at basic specs for a PC. It's not nearly the same. Dlss on the other hand will upscale every game old an new. So it's not really a comparison. Like the list of games they showcase people have already beaten years ago so now they are going to spend 700 bucks for a PS5 an another 65 bucks for the same game they've already beaten justice to zoom in 300 to see shit that doesn't even matter? Pssr is just a gimmick lol
DLSS is the top dog, no way around it. It had years in the field but with that said, the fact that out of the gate the PSSR is already better than FSR just shows the huge potential it has and it will improve in the years to come
Not really that impressive considering FSR isn't using AI. It should be better.
@@jwash87how do you know if it should be better or not, do you have sufficient knowledge in the field?
This is a first party title and FSR does not use AI, PSSR being better it is obvious. We need to see the performance and quality in third party games. DSSR in this case probably is way ahead
@@beachslap7359 Having upscaling done by dedicated cores (alongside only supporting one skew) is better than a general method applied to every computer.
so how would the ranking go between dlss, pssr, xess and fsr?
Pssr will be updated through ps5 pro firmware anyway it will get better over time. Not bad start from sony.
And will never have frame generation.
@@BryceCzirr-jz7juif you enjoy input delay then use FG 😂
Indeed. Impressive start for a console. DLSS and FG will always be superior for obvious reasons, but this is great for strictly console players
@@shalawsorchi That utter nonsense.
There’s no guarantee it’ll get better & even if it did, it’ll still be years behind DLSS as it improves too.
PSSR is still at the beginning stage and still it produces very convincing results. PSSR has a very bright future
But aren't you confused by, after having multiple games shown now, DF (Alex Battaglia) seemly ONLY sticks to this ONE game to make these claims? At this point, if these claims carry factual consistent pattern, shouldn't these broad sweeping statements be backed up by multiple examples across various games all showing the same results?
We've all seen the crystal clear Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth footage, which John Linneman says it simply looks like a native 4k output. We've seen DF compare TLOU2 on Pro to PS5's NATIVE 4k 30fps mode HERE ruclips.net/video/LoQi6FE-7W8/видео.html @4:30 and the result was PS5 Pro's 60fps PSSR mode is SUPERIOR to PS5's native 30fps 4k image.
The fact of the matter is, Ratchet n Clank has the absolute WORST implementation of PSSR we've seen thus far. The simple fact is there are good and bad implementations of image reconstruction techniques. Even dreaded FSR2 even have some titles where the reconstruction looks really good. Alex Battaglia found the worst example of the technique and is using that as *"PSSR results"* .
Calm down baby...
It really doesn't lol. The fact they can only use it on older titles some 10 years old but no triple A games or future games means it's a gimmick. Why would anybody buy a PS5 to replay older titles they already beat to see details at 300 zoom they won't normally see?
They have been developing pssr since dlss 2.0.
No it doesnt. Get a 4k pc for 1100 why buy 920 for a disc and ps5 ?😅
Pssr looks leaps better than fsr
Dlss is still the king but pssr looks also great
Yeah because FSR is not using AI upscaling. We all knew PSSR would be superior to FSR.
I tell or DF guys tell? PSSR = FSR 4.O. Its made by Sony and AMD from the FSR 3.0 and RUNS in AMD HARDWARE with IA CORES like Tensor cores (probably, because they leaked NOTHING about the hardware).
Dont forget kids: PS5 PRO is a RDNA 3.5 machine which has RT AND IA CRES from RDNA 4 and the rest is RDNA3.
No it doesnt. Spiderman 2 looks more blurry on pro than base😅 sharpness and fsr better
Are the videos repeating themselves? I swear I've seen this one a couple of times already, so far this month.
Regarding the PSSR 1.0 vs DLSS 3.7 video, if it's already hard to appreciate the changes with such aggressive zooms, that means Sony has done it really well.
The reason for the zoom is that many watch DF using their phones and notebooks, not a TV
It’s one video on the main channel that they’re uploading multiple clips from.
I watched
On my tv and it looks the same@mmpsp693
There's only one set of official video ever released on the PS5 Pro and everyone's stuck milking it over and over. It's kinda crazy we still have nothing new.
No they keep re-analyzing as they gain new info.
First they analyzed the initial footage, then tried more in-depth analysis on better footage.
Than they did their own comparison based on similarly spec'd hardware to ps5 pro's specs running PC versions of ps games compared against vanilla ps5 graphics.
Then they got to recently do some hands-on with their own recording with actual ps5 pro as opposed to nearest target PC hardware, which is this latest round.
I think people are likely not very interested in the pro.
For them they're likely just interested as nerds to see a mid-gen refresh because pssr is the biggest immediate benefit and ai solutions have all been very different and they just like to see what they think is going on, how will it even be used on already-released games, which can serve for a foundation of evolving analysis as PSSR's machine learning improves over time. Future games could be designed to optimize around pro instead of applying it as a substitute for their previous solutions.
And the biggest advantage will be for developers and the ps6 itself to start thinking of ways to use ai or ray tracing cores in preparation for ps6.
The fact that PSSR comes this close to DLSS is a win in my book. You can’t build a brand new PC that is capable of running DLSS for $700 bucks.
Well, you can, but it’ll be garbage lol
Rdna4 is around the corner. Let's hope they bring good value back to the video card market.
I guess not, but used PCs do exist and they are a neat option for people who dont know how to fully build one. 1 year ago I got a PC with 32 GB ram, i5 and rtx 3070 for 700 bucks.
It doesn't come close. DLss can upscale anyfame that thrown at it. Pssr is made for older titles you already beat almost 10 years ago that's not impressive at all 😂. It's not future proof an the games that come out aren't going to benefit from the extra power provided from the p5 since they aren't optimized for it. That means you gotta wait another 5 to 10 years to use basic settings
I tell or DF guys tell? PSSR = FSR 4.O. Its made by Sony and AMD from the FSR 3.0 and RUNS in AMD HARDWARE with IA CORES like Tensor cores (probably, because they leaked NOTHING about the hardware).
Dont forget kids: PS5 PRO is a RDNA 3.5 machine which has RT AND IA CRES from RDNA 4 and the rest is RDNA3.
PSSR will be much better than DLSS when PS6 launch that's for sure
you think nevida will stop up dateing too?
If this is the first iteration of PISSER. Imagine it when it has matured like DLSS or FSR. They probably shaking in their little britches.
By then DLSS will be miles ahead still. Its also evolving, you know. Nvidia is not gonna wait for the competition to catch up, lol.
@@Oozaru85 Good for them Broski 👍🏼 Not like PlayStation didn't catch up with Nintendo and beat them in their own "game" 😉
@@TheVRResistanceYour delusional your idea of catching up in sales or popularity is not the same as technology. By that logic PS6 will catch up to current PC hardware however by then we will be having an RTX 6090.
@@ZackSNetwork tho then the PS6 won't be 700$ but 7000$ and who is gonna buy it?noone and this means that PS will die
Im sure AMD and SONY worked together and worked on PSSR, it’s like FSR 5.2, which is years in the making
I'm so glad Sony is stepping it up with the pro and PSSR. It's only going to get better from here
It really isn't. How is it stepping up when war hammer barely runs at 30 fps but they redo old games from almost a decade ago to finally run at 1800p barely 60 fps ? That's called just being cheap. For all that buy a old used PC an you can actually play with setting an get more bang for your buck. I have a PS4 so I'm not hating it's just stupid to think it's an upgrade when they clearly have a very short list of games this can abuse an the list is older titles with details you won't even notice
Lmao. This is the end of playstation. They were good when they Sold consoles for 400 and barely made Profit. Now a ps5 pro with disc costs 920. U can get a gamer 4k pc for 1000. More and more people will understand that consoles are outdated. Unless they sell the ps6 for no more than 600 they will not even beat the PC in price/Performance. They should stop doing xbox and do real xbox Firmware for PC.
with the arrival of playstation 5 pro the differences between console and pc will be less marked like night and day. then when you say "pc" everyone takes it for granted that you play at the maximum performance and beauty, but the vast majority of pc gamers do not have powerful enough pc to really make a huge difference between console and pc.
I know right
Most ppl don't use hardware more powerful than consoles
Yet they act like "pc" is automatically powerful
True. The Steam hardware survey always proves that... Though the usual console/pc wars knuckleheads can never think rationally, It's always one extreme or the other
@@blackface-b1v literally its not just about power, its that the console fkn cost 1000 dollars in sweden, AND dont forget you need a 150-180 dollars a year just to use the bloody thing.
@Reaper9-4 1. that's just one specific country
It'd be like saying a 4090 is $4000 simply cuz Canada sells it for $4000 (I saw them sell it that high)
2. The yearly payment is only required for multiplayer games, it's not mandatory
Stop saying it is
3. It's $80/year not $150
@@blackface-b1v And of course, also the release schedule of hardware, you get so much more value spending 500-700€ once every ~6 years as opposed to having PC hardware release basically every year and then being locked out from the latest features, for example nvidia
Still dlss overall win but pssr surprisingly pretty close and in 4:02 puasue gys. Reflection looks somehow better with pssr, much clearer less artefacts 🤔
That is because on that scene pssr is compare to dlss that use dynamic resolution. If it is using full resolution, dlss still looks miles better
@@jonathanng7053 Alex pixel counted the PSSR feed and tweaked DLSS to match the internal resolution. PSSR has a definite win here.
@@Jumsut_ no alex said he intentionally use dynamic resolution on pc in order to match with ps5 pro setting since console always enable the dynamic resolution and he acknowledge that dlss do not work well with dynamic resolution
@@jonathanng7053 He literally said he disabled dynamic resolution on PC and pixel counted PS5pro and applied said resolution to PC using DLSS tweaks.
@@Jumsut_dude check at 5.44 timestamp. Alex already make clear distinction between checkboard reflection and full res reflection for dlss
Are you comparing 1440 pssr vs 4k dlss 🤔
Just so you know, DLSS gen 1 was WAYYYYYYY worse with the fizzle than PSSR is....WAY worse ....I can guarantee that over time PSSR will end up better.
Also, remember, DLSS is at gen 3.something now....so it should be better...but that fact it's only barely better, shows the accomplishment of Sony with PSSR
PSSR works the same for 1 system,DLSS/FSR/XeSS works differently cause u got millions of systems
I tell or DF guys tell? PSSR = FSR 4.O. Its made by Sony and AMD from the FSR 3.0 and RUNS in AMD HARDWARE with IA CORES like Tensor cores (probably, because they leaked NOTHING about the hardware).
Dont forget kids: PS5 PRO is a RDNA 3.5 machine which has RT AND IA CRES from RDNA 4 and the rest is RDNA3.
There is a difference here that it seems you fail to realize. What you call "soft" seems to produce a cleaner more natural image. It delivers a more realistic look which makes it quite appealing. Have to watch the full screen footage though without any zoom comparisons for this to be visible. Regardless of whether PSSR is close to delivering the same quality as DLSS's current iteration, it helps the Pro deliver a great, clean and realistic looking image.
Yeah imagine the PS5 Pro costs 700$ with a Upscaling Technology out of the Gate vs a thousands of dollar High End gaming Pc with a Upscaling technology in the 3. Generation. The Price Performance Ratio of PS5 Pro is insane compared to the Pc.
Except his broad sweeping conclusions he's trying to make others believe is only supported by THIS 1 sole example. Since when dose a CREDIBLE source make sweeping conclusion about a technology based on 1 example???
We've all seen the crystal clear Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth footage, which John Linneman says it simply looks like a native 4k output. We've seen DF compare TLOU2 on Pro to PS5's NATIVE 4k 30fps mode HERE ruclips.net/video/LoQi6FE-7W8/видео.html @4:30 and the result was PS5 Pro's 60fps PSSR mode is SUPERIOR to PS5's native 30fps 4k image.
The fact of the matter is, Ratchet n Clank has the absolute WORST implementation of PSSR we've seen thus far. The simple fact is there are good and bad implementations of image reconstruction techniques. Even dreaded FSR2 even have some titles where the reconstruction looks really good. Alex Battaglia found the worst example of the technique and is using that as *"PSSR results"* .
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Nvidia has and will always have over sharpening bc they want people to see the difference , and it really is different, if u oversharen pssr, u will see artifacts much better there, they try to hide it like makeup, a layer over it to hide the artifacts
@@riceeater79Keep doing the lords work trying to down play the pro! No one can tell you’re a raving fanboy with an agenda, you’ve got them all fooled. Btw, you should increase your replies to other comments. That will surely convince yet more people you are correct.
I'll never sit this close to my tv 😂 i think I'm okay
Rs😂
I got my TV cabinet on wheels 😎
Hahahaha!!! So true
i just bought a PS5 after 10years being on PS4 , ps5 pro is a good upgrade but im excited for what future holds for PSSR and PS6 , this generation doesnt have that many games justifying a 700$ investment in the console only, no point in investing extra dollars to play PS4 games.
I wish that you bought a pc instead. It's a better investment than a console by a long shot.
Finally someone who thinks rationally.
@@goldensperm7182 i could have bought a 2000 € PC in 2022 and still would have been cheaper than buying ps5+ps5pro+psn+all the games i bought in the last 2 years.
Damn you should have bought PS5 Pro.
I think its a rip-off that PS5 is as expensive as 4 years ago. In my opinion the highest value for $ is at the launch. So PS5-Pro should be the way to go if you are comming from PS4
Unless you bought 2nd hand PS5, that would be even more valuable for $
bro i just dont like the hassle of a pc im a lazy gamer i just want to turn on my console sit back and play without the hassle of changing multiple settings.
Both look good to me, you won't even notice when playing games at normal speed
People are spending too much time on this, now we know why the industry is dying.
All upscalers and no games. Way to go. Can't wait to upscale Last of Us Revolutionized on ps6 BiPro. You know it's all gone to shit when the reason to buy a 800 bucks console is a goddamn upscaler. Fuck mid gen and all this bs. Wake up people.
At the end of the day. We are nitpicking because no one is going to have two devices side by side. Either way. They all look great in comparison to the original PlayStation 5.
Remember, we are looking 300% magnification. As if average Joe can spot the difference. Waste of money.
You still get the bummed up fps... (or extra detail) and bigger HD. People have preferences... If you don't have one, the difference is little and worthwhile.
@PhilippeCorthout The only technical leap is in resolution. Textures and game design are still on average level. Games look worse on a really large screen, even at the best resolution. I personally prefer to play on a high-quality OLED, max 70 inches, rather than on a larger screen where graphical shortcomings are more apparent
And still seeing this compressed video in a smartphone, not in a 60 inch 4k tv. So there difference, it doesn't mean that you need to have one.
These daily PS5 Pro vids are slowly killing the neckbeards, keep them coming boys.
It seems like this has to be the best debut of a new gaming upscaling technology ever. DLSS1, FSR1, and XeSS did not debut anywhere close to this level.
Lol. Just say that you cannot return the ps5 pro and now ure stuck with a blurry picture. Just say it bro😅 . How do you compare the New coming of upscaling with pssr who is based on fsr 3 and is simply amd technology😅 and why do you buy a 1000 bucks console with psn force and disc combined when you can get a 4k 7900xt gpu pc for 1000 and dont need no fsr pssr or upscaling 😅
@ I have a 7900 XTX Nitro and 5120 * 1440 videos on my YT channel. Stop making a fool of yourself talking gibberish about PSSR; you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. It’s hardware and AI based similar to DLSS.
@@AKSBSU i myself have the ps5 pro and returned. There are countless of proofs that pssr is simply more blurry than even the Standard ps5. Its funny how a son that makes a fool of himself says that to his father while the news that pssr is amd technology gets more and more clear. It looks worse than dlss and even fsr looks sharper. Again i repeat myself, i feel sorry that you cannot return yout ps5 pro anymore. But thsts no reason to talk jibberish about pssr which in fact does not in any game look better. The only game is final fantasy that was so bad created for the ps5 that its clear it was on purpose.
I think when PS6 comes around pssr with be similar to DLSS the majority of time. Pssr first appearance and it’s already impressive. Sony will be throwing everything at pssr for future of their consoles
Pc fanboys won’t admit that PSSR is superior to FSR
I don't know what echo chamber you've been perusing but I'm sure everyone else agrees fsr is the worst
are you stupid? PC fanboys hate FSR
Everyone is agree in term of AI upscalling tech PSSR is better than FSR or XeSS
How about comparing PSSR with 1st generation of fsr and dlss, then it will be a fair comparison. Compared to how dlss was when it was launched PSSR looks actually better. Of course 3.X version of dlss will look better, its a no brainer.
Not really, it's far easier to follow a path when someone else cut that path and paved the way. Nvidia innovated the tech, while others then just looked over thier shoulder and copied whatever they got right. It's far easier to copy existing tech, than it is to pioneer a new tech.
@@shellshock3243there is no copying of data sets, sony are just that good. Learn computing
@@wizzenberry BS!! Sony just like AMD & Intel will have combed through both the code, algorithms and Nvidia's Tensor core architecture too see exactly how Nvidia achieved and solved various issues. They might not of directly "one to one" copied it due to patienting laws, but they will have gotten several ideas from DLSS.
For example, it was far easy for other companies to copy say Karl Benz's first motor car and come up with thier own models based up on it, than it was for Benz to actually come up with idea, design and build a motor car from scratch.
@@shellshock3243 you are spouting nonsense 😂😂 i dont think you realise how it actually works, tensor core arch is a buzzword for idiots its just a bunch of specific calls you can do
This is just the beginning, don't forget that this can be improved over time through update or newer version.
Even DLSS version up until now also reach v3.7 already.
If they can apply that for foveation in VR, FS2024 will look incredible on the Valve Deckard (or whatever they're gonna call it) while running at a high frame rate without needing to get a 5090.
Yeah but how long has dlss and FSR been around?
I tell or DF guys tell? PSSR = FSR 4.O. Its made by Sony and AMD from the FSR 3.0 and RUNS in AMD HARDWARE with IA CORES like Tensor cores (probably, because they leaked NOTHING about the hardware).
Dont forget kids: PS5 PRO is a RDNA 3.5 machine which has RT AND IA CRES from RDNA 4 and the rest is RDNA3.
In the first comparison, there "fizzle" in the dlss image too but its way smaller and shorter. Its MAINLY in the inferior "pipe" in the first and second floor of the building.
Thnx
Dunno if this will get answered by DF staff but it's a question regarding the format of this channel
Is the content found here different than what is in the weekly podcast?
I ask this because I've seen repeated 'cuts' from this week's digital weekly but have also found new content.
What is the plan for this? New small clips or a mixture because if it's just repeated info I would change my sub settings accordingly.
DF Clips is just that-short segments from the DF Direct weekly podcast, clipped and reposted on this secondary channel. It’s mainly for people unwilling or unable to invest the time in the 2hr+ podcast and who just want the highlights. It’s additive, so those of us who enjoy the long form factor stuff aren’t losing anything.
So what was the cpu and GPU used on windows?
Why does that matter?
@pixeljauntvr7774 tell me why it doesn't.
@@denhawken I am sure it is a gaming PC that costs thousands of dollars, such tech analysis channels usually use the best hardware, but they don't want it to be said, because then you know how rubbish the price-performance ratio of a gaming PC is. 😉🤣
@@Thor86- would be useful information. everything ive seen i need to either upgrade my gaming pc to at 4080 or 4090.. why? because i stream on discord, record my games and run those programs as i upload to youtube. what i have isnt working.. lots of lag when i do those things.. found out i need a better graphics card..
since the top games i play on is playstation.. might as well buy the pro and use my pc as the sole recording and streaming device for bunch cheaper..
i would love to know what pc they were on and what the gpu and cpu are.. that would give me more valuable data.
So does this mean i might be able to play stable 120hz games in the PS5 Pro on a 1440p monitor without looking too blurry?
It's suppose to address output to 2K- 4K or even 8K.
no cause even though the PS pro might be able to do it you STILL have to wait for devs to implement shit that can take days, weeks, months or years.
red dead 2 is a good example with it being fully playable in 60 fps on regular ps5 with the ps5 being unlocked , but as a regular consumer u prob wont ever get to play red dead 2 in 60 fps or if u will its gonna cost you. buying a cheaper pc will make you be able toplay it over 60 fps easy.
These comparisons are ridiculous. If DF wasn't a thing the general consensus would be PSSR and DLSS are on par. Sony is one PSSR update away from beating DLSS and that is an incredible accomplishment. Ratchet & Clank has the worst implementation of all the titles so far so using it as a comparison is ridiculous.
Correct.
How much does the PC running the game cost?
A lot more than a Pro.
I have a top line
4090 pc that cost a fortune. PSSR is hugely impressive for a $700 console.
Will the switch 2 have all the dlss tech?
It better.
Knowing Nintendo, nobody knows.
lol no
Doubt. Nintendo are weak and useless when it comes to tech, sure they will find ways to make games look pretty because of thier approched to thier games.But hardware wise despite Nvida support upscaling tech would not be Nintendo first and focus its the games.
Switch 2 need to better than handheld from Steam, ROG, or Lenovo at least
RAW power, Nvidia take the win.
Optimization, PS has the edge.
4K ruined everything. I remember playing Uncharted 4, Horizon Zero Dawn, etc. on the base PS4 with native resolution, looking crystal clear. Then came the PS4 Pro with checkerboarding and 4k TV's. Suddenly things started looking worse.
It's not that. It's the fact that that they try to keep up with PC an the fact they lied to you guys an you guys believed them. For instance they said that the PS4 can play game at 120nfps and at 4k. What they meant was most shitty games or older games can run at 120nfps but any decent game will run at 720 30 fps. It was never at 4k they just told you guys game can run at that but it was like 5 games. 2k is def the sweet gaming spot but Sony loves to lead you guys on
@ I never believed them.
It would be interesting to throw native 4K to this comparisons and also 4K DLAA
Note to self, don't watch comparison videos at work. Our crappy throttled connection here makes the whole thing a blurry artifact mess.
Looks good, but i don't think the pc that was used in this video was $699 like the ps5 pro. This is a big win for the ps5 pro. Of course a expensive pc will look better, but for that price its understandable 🔥🔥
Considering PSSR is Sony’s first try at upscaling it seems to be pretty good
Seems a lot better than pretty good. Compare PSSR being slightly behind DLSS and the debut state of DLSS1 and FSR1. This may be the most impressive debut we've ever seen from one of these technologies.
I dont care about graphics,,give me a fun and finished game !!
Catching up 🔥 👑
I'll take a Sony game on PS5 all day long and not a Sony game on PC. The last few games has not been very good optimized and been unstable for a long period.
PSSR is more like DLSS 2.0 right now but it'll get better over time, it's really good what they've achieved at the launch of PS5 Pro
DLSS has had years of updates. PSSR has yet to get an update lol
I think it all depends on how far away you are sitting from your TV to even notice theses differences at all.
Not worried about it my bravia does 4K x-reality pro upscaling on top of the PSSR feature. In further cleaning and improving image quality.
Is pssr hardware or software feature? Is there dedicated hardware chip for a.i processing?
Hardware
YES and YES.
There's dedicated silicon (not sure if it's a separate chip or just part of the SoC) but you still need SOFTWARE support in the game and the Operating System to make this all work. I think there's also FIRMWARE that can be updated to support certain things but I don't know how that works.
DLSS looks a generation ahead if DLSS is optimized, some devs slap on dlss without making it better, last of us is one of
I guess there should also be a summary where will a person sitting on the couch playing it real time can discern the difference in finer detials?
You can dude. Heres why the image quality is softer. Pssr wont be upscaling from as high resolutions as dlss esp on rt gsmes.
If i go from dlss quality to dlss performance sitting 6 feet away from my tv..its softer but it looks good. But you cant switch on console like that so you wont know..ignorance is bliss.
Amazing video as always, thank you Digital Foundry.
See what happens until the ps6 drops when they have more time with pssr out in the wild, probably won’t beat it but maybe it’s equal
I've been waiting for this one!
Im not hearing a whole lot about Variable Refresh Rate. Is this PSSR gonna support unlocked fps? Anyone know? Thank you
Let’s compare DLSS 1 vs PSSR, i think it would be more relevant. PSSR looks way better than FSR or XeSS, and that’s first release, while it’s close to in long time development DLSS.
It can be an interesting exercise, but what games still using DLSS1 at this day and age?
@@mmpsp693 Isn’t the DLSS upgradable by replacing DLL files ? Then it may be possible to download the old version and replace it.
Sorry, that makes no sense.
First of all, DLSS may have been in development longer but you can't compare timelines as the first people to work on something have a harder time figuring it all out. What is most RELEVANT is comparing what's available to buy and play RIGHT NOW. For example, would someone buy a PS5 PRO vs an NVidia-based gaming PC.
And this is good for people who have an NVidia gaming PC but might also buy a PRO. Personally, I'm just curious about seeing how the technology compares and what hardware/software is needed to drive modern gaming forward.
You compare the solutions we have right now. DLSS is better, but it's a very good effort by PSSR.
All you need to know is this test was BS and Alex Battaglia misrepresented the facts.
Did you notice, after having multiple games shown now, DF (Alex Battaglia) seemly ONLY sticks to this ONE game to make these claims? At this point, if these claims carry factual consistency, shouldn't these broad sweeping statements be backed up by multiple examples across various games all showing the same results?
We've all seen the crystal clear Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth footage, which John Linneman says it simply looks like a native 4k output. We've seen DF compare TLOU2 on Pro to PS5's NATIVE 4k 30fps mode HERE ruclips.net/video/LoQi6FE-7W8/видео.html @4:30 and the result was PS5 Pro's 60fps PSSR mode is SUPERIOR to PS5's native 30fps 4k image.
The fact of the matter is, Ratchet n Clank has the absolute WORST implementation of PSSR we've seen thus far. The simple fact is there are good and bad implementations of image reconstruction techniques. Even dreaded FSR2 even have some titles where the reconstruction looks really good. Alex Battaglia found the worst example of the technique and is using that as "PSSR results" .
Yeah PSSR is in its early days. Another couple years of iteration and especially when PS6 hardware is tuned towards supporting it, it’ll become very solid.
How are we this close to launch and still talking about the ONE video ever officially released on the subject?
It's not about being the best, you can't expect the same from a gaming console and the graphic cards that get upgraded every 2 years with new generation of cores on the die.
It's like expecting frame generation out of RTX 2000 and RTX 3000 series. That's the precise reason why it's in the Pro and not the base model, specific hardware added later.
i'm guessing ratchet was a best case scenario then. now we know pssr actually has bad performance in quite a few games post launch. Flicker and excessive noise is what i've experienced so far with pssr. Not a good start. problem is this is the first iteration of pssr and i think even the first version of dlss had issues if i heard correctly? but the pc space is different from consoles and having an ai solution thats not optimized on a platform that sells itself on having optimized games is a BIG NO NO. They shouldn't have released this version of it or even the ps5 pro with the issues this version of pssr is having. It simply isn't ready for the console space
I love how all the kids say to each other how great this start is😅 and then they tell you they paid 700 for it😅 the reality is you need a disc because being stuck with psn only will cost you thousands each year. A ps5 pro with disc costs 920 in 99% of countries or more. A 4k 7900xt gaming pc costs you the same like 1000. Guys you just bought a 1440p medium to high settings 920 bucks console that looks blurrier than the base thanks to pssr. Its time to get yourself a pc and play thr game like they should be played😅
i mean why cant we have pssr on the base ps5 model? i mean it should can also help the base models overall performance right?
It lacks the dedicated hardware. Same reason why you can't get ray tracing on PS4.
The GPU in the Pro is substantially more powerful and has features not in the base model. The ray tracing tech is more advanced than what I have in my 7900 XTX Nitro, which I paid $1200 for when it was new. It's the ray tracing technology AMD was planning to bring out in future generations of cards, but Sony got included in the Pro now.
The PS7 Pro might be the one to get, in 2040.
I believe that if the PSSR/DLSS model was trained game by game instead of a generic generalist model the result would be much better, right?
No, computer scientist
Sony once again doing a great job! Fsr was not the winner we hoped but 4k like 60fps using pssr is a great win.
DLSS is 😮💨 and FSR is 🤮, I think we have room to improvement in upscaling techniques. PSSR seems more promising when showing lower fizzle (noise artifacts) than DLSS.
Can we see a Cyberpunk Pathtracing comparison?
Could you please test Off The Grid Ps5 Pro implementation.
Why would you be comparing pssr and dlss.dlss has been out for years.
Fact of the matter is "test" was simply a misrepresentation of the facts.
After having multiple games shown now, why does DF (Alex Battaglia) seemly ONLY sticks to this ONE game to make these claims? At this point, if these claims carry factual consistency, shouldn't these broad sweeping statements be backed up by multiple examples across various games all showing the same results?
We've all seen the crystal clear Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth footage, which John Linneman says it simply looks like a native 4k output. We've seen DF compare TLOU2 on Pro to PS5's NATIVE 4k 30fps mode HERE ruclips.net/video/LoQi6FE-7W8/видео.html @4:30 and the result was PS5 Pro's 60fps PSSR mode is SUPERIOR to PS5's native 30fps 4k image.
The fact of the matter is, Ratchet n Clank has the absolute WORST implementation of PSSR we've seen thus far. The simple fact is there are good and bad implementations of image reconstruction techniques. Even dreaded FSR2 even have some titles where the reconstruction looks really good. Alex Battaglia found the worst example of the technique and is using that as "PSSR results" .
@@riceeater79so, Xbox fanboy? Or salty pc user with a crusty old rig that’s angsty because you can’t build anything comparable for $700~?
Is it not similar technology? That's why
You'll sleep on Sony. These are the same people that invented the Blu ray technology
Why can't I see the difference? on any of the clips.
RUclips compression along with what ever screen you're watching it off.
Because they are so tiny. When you play the game you will never notice the difference. Imagine that from a 700$ Console vs an High End gaming Pc which costs thousand of Dollars.And the DLSS technology in the PC is in the 3.Generation vs the 1. generation of PSSR from the PS5 Pro.
@@Thor86- I will just wait for the ps6. That should be a bigger jump. Just feel like they haven't utilised the full potential of the ps5 yet.
@@pixeljauntvr7774 off my phone 😆
@@sajkhan9 Yeah its your decision, but believe me PS5 PRO will get so much Support and Enhanched games because its the future for the coming PS6 with the PSSR technology. Sony must prove it with the PS5 Pro and thats a huge win for the PS5 PRO owners.✌🏼
PS5 Pro will be a major selling machine for Sony in the next couple weeks to come, problably beating the reccords from PS4 Pro.
Yeah...I seriously doubt that lol...
@@drekkey There is no doubting facts man, it will sell like water on a summer day on the beach.
Look mummy,it’s a Sony pony 👍
You don't say!
The PS4Pro already didn't really sell well. ps5pro being 300 bucks more expensive than that i doubt it will even sell the same amount as the ps4pro...
Still not sure what exactly we are getting with the Pro. Just performance modes that look more closely like fidelity? What about using that power for maximized fidelity modes? I’d rather have eye candy than 60fps any day of the week.
I'd take the highest fps options available over fidelity any day of the week and twice on Sunday!
My thought process? I like to control the characters I'm playing as close to the maximum level as I can!
It's literally fidelity mode at higher frames.
@@wben7833 The videos of gameplay shown so far disprove that. That said, it wasn’t what I was asking.
@@TSPG1985 it literally shows that happening, but it's not true? They compared fedelity on PS5 to PS5 pro and the pro looks better at higher frame rates. But ya it's wrong
@@wben7833 again, no it doesn’t. The performance pro mode is not equal to the quality of the fidelity. They even point out a few instances in the videos. Have you watched them?
This is the very first version of PSSR and it very good. DLSS Has been around for quite some time PSSR will catch up and might even over take DLSS
The whole discussion sounds utterly idiotic. Differences are barely perceptible (not to mention the need for slow motion and zoom in in order for us to see anything at all). For the player, this discussion is simply meaningless as these details are not at all perceived at normal gameplay conditions. The only (weird and paradoxical) justification for this discussion is purely on virtual grounds, or the idea that knowing for a fact that Nvidia's solution is the better one can effectively influence your experience of the game, even though you cannot see the difference for yourself at real/normal gameplay conditions. This weird hypothesis aside, there's no real justification for this discussion as we're literally talking about invisible things.
Warching videos of a console i cant really afford to watch differences i can bately see even when zoomed in..... i miss the big jumps of the snes/megadrive to ps1 and n64 days.
This is just a Pro version... not a new gen. And why do you "miss" the jump? Please explain. I mean we are far away from hat, so of course the improvements are more and more in details. I recommend you play SNES forever and stay with it.
DLSS vs PSSR
The Diddler vs The Pisser
Who you got?
So the Hardware in both scene are AMD. So, it was a software"thing". The question is, why got AMD diffrent solutions for PC or PS5 ?
Nvidia frame generation left the chat
*DLSS aliasing vs PSSR...*
We saw ADVANTAGES to PSSR at the end there... but is the issues with the DLSS implementation the "fault" of DLSS or an issue with the information it's being fed? I suspect it's the latter part and that the PS5 PRO version got both sides of that right. PSSR and how PSSR was fed the data to upscale.
You're on to something.
After having multiple games shown now, why does DF (Alex Battaglia) seemly ONLY sticks to this ONE game to make these claims? At this point, if these claims carry factual consistency, shouldn't these broad sweeping statements be backed up by multiple examples across various games all showing the same results?
We've all seen the crystal clear Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth footage, which John Linneman says it simply looks like a native 4k output. We've seen DF compare TLOU2 on Pro to PS5's NATIVE 4k 30fps mode HERE ruclips.net/video/LoQi6FE-7W8/видео.html @4:30 and the result was PS5 Pro's 60fps PSSR mode is SUPERIOR to PS5's native 30fps 4k image.
The fact of the matter is, Ratchet n Clank has the absolute WORST implementation of PSSR we've seen thus far. The simple fact is there are good and bad implementations of image reconstruction techniques. Even dreaded FSR2 even have some titles where the reconstruction looks really good. Alex Battaglia found the worst example of the technique and is using that as "PSSR results" .
Omg I am so sick of seeing Ratchet and Clank. I swear this is the 4th DF video i have watched about PS5 pro that uses the exact same footage with the exact same information.
Let's wait for a real PS5 Pro @ DF, instead of videos from the games.
This is the type of “generational leap” I had in mind for this current console generation, but better late than never I guess
Generational leaps will continually become smaller in the future. If people don’t realize that, they will always be disappointed.
I tell or DF guys tell? PSSR = FSR 4.O. Its made by Sony and AMD from the FSR 3.0 and RUNS in AMD HARDWARE with IA CORES like Tensor cores (probably, because they leaked NOTHING about the hardware).
Dont forget kids: PS5 PRO is a RDNA 3.5 machine which has RT AND IA CORES from RDNA 4 and the rest is RDNA3.
What unfortunate naming ,for such interesting tech
PiSSeR is the best naming ever. Its PSSR output is PiSSing out 4K all over the place.
@AKSBSU 😂🤣😂Words of wisdom my friend, words of wisdom.
Splitting hairs a $700 console will not compete with a $700 gpu.
LMFAO keep crying about it. 😅😅😅
la cuestion es la sigiente FSR RX 7900 xtx 24gb 886€ - DLSS RTX 4080 super 1500€ calidad precio AMD...
Dude this think is way less powerful than a xtx or 4080 if thats what your trying to say.
Your on drugs if you think thats the case 😂
Anyone have cookies for all the milk DF has provided with Pro coverage?
They've provided FACTS. Nobody's forcing you to buy the Pro and I'd guess you won't. If it bothers you then why are you even here?
You want a tech centric channel to not cover new and upcoming tech?
Past channel comments expose you as a salty fanboy. For shame.
Basically, we're seeing PS6 level graphics, now, with the Nvidea...
Is anyone else getting sick of just seeing Ratchet & Clank comparisons?
They know what to look for so it's good to stick with this game for now.
Don't click the video.
Gad demn, people what are we talking about? At least, if this small details are your problems then you can be thankful you have a really happy life
It's kinda mute at this point imo. Battlemage Xess update, AMD RDNA 4 FSR update, DLSS update...I doubt tht AMD is just going to sit there and let PSSR and XESS out do them, if thts the case AMD should just leave the graphics market imo
Mute? Or moot? As in a moot point, which means the facts being discussed don't apply to the situation... which they do.
@@apferrando well said, my error, but with all that being said do you think AMDs next implementations of FSR will be inferior to PSSR? being that AMD has been using upscaling technology for a while now?
@@mrbdb5670 This would strictly be my own personal thoughts here -- but if we're matching it up to PCs still, then no - I don't think an APU will outshine a dedicated GPU. I imagine they'll be rather close to at par though. I'm thinking this may end up being similar to the old PC question of OpenGL or DirectX.
AMDs goal is for these features is to be a baseline that can work on anything. That, to me, means that they aren't going to be making this in a way that really capitalizes on the specifics of their cards since they need to be more generalized to support all cards.
To that end, I think PSSR is that purpose-built code for the APU. It's also going to have tools built into the Dev Kit - not to trivialize the effort, but something made simple for the devs to utilize during standard game builds. We did hear before these new systems came out that PS5 was easier to develop for than Xbox... which I think speaks volumes, since Microsoft seems to pride itself in their development being PC-like. I dunno, again... my own personal thoughts.
Pssr wins.
TBH I Couldn't Care Less And Barely Notice About a Little Details When Playing a Game...😕
Yeah, zoom, slowmo and ultimately not playing the game let's you see a difference. Basically you have to stand still and search for differences between your two side by side standing tvs. They have to be the exact same model of course. And you have to play both games parallel to the same spot... But then!! Then you have a proof for yourself. The 800€ were totally well spent. I could afford the PS5 pro. And I would, if all (!) PS5 games would run in 60fps on quality settings (4k even without rt, I wouldn't need rt at all!). But that's not happening. 800€ for this... Pfff
It can't. Pssr is made for old games that they force you to rebuy to play at basic specs for a PC. It's not nearly the same. Dlss on the other hand will upscale every game old an new. So it's not really a comparison. Like the list of games they showcase people have already beaten years ago so now they are going to spend 700 bucks for a PS5 an another 65 bucks for the same game they've already beaten justice to zoom in 300 to see shit that doesn't even matter? Pssr is just a gimmick lol
Both are good enough imo.
Pssr is pisser compared to dlss😂
DLSS without DLAA